It looks like the DW pedal is positioned at a much greater angle than the Yamaha. I don't doubt one's smoother but I'm curious how the increased angle affects the results.
I own these pedals. Depending on your preference of chain drive or direct, this pedal gives you some many options. Spring tension, Footboard adjustment, cam adjustment, durability, light, quick response, wide & long foot board. Overall, a great quality pedal. I recommend trying it. Great video brother 👍
I just got the direct drive version, they feel great but there is a lot of play in the heel joint. To the point where if I play any kinda burst patterns they make kind of a lot of noise. My pearl redlines are alot quieter than these, I dunno maybe I got a weird pair.
after a lot of research, this pedal seems the best mix of quality and price so i ordered double direct drive yesterday. this video was useful in my investigations so thankyou.
I just snatched one used/mint for half price of new. Beaters were adjusted all the way up and springs cranked all the way tight, no wonder prev owner sold it. Great review, ty
I own this pedal. There are more adjustments available on this pedal. Independent beater and foot board angle adjustments. 1/4 turn locking spring tensioner. Gauges built in to the body of the pedals to allow you to record your adjustments. Smooth, quick and completely silent.
loving the look of this pedal, thinking Im about to buy it to replace my dw 9002s since Ive lost the slave pedal on it, the only thing I wish more companies did like dw is to put a beater attachment on the slave pedal.
I'm torn between choosing a pedal - ive used Tama speed cobras for the past 10 years. the original speed cobras silver double pedal. Now im getting to the point where they arent serving me anymore and I feel like im not getting the most i want out of my feet. there is just something off........so im gonna get a new pedal. i feel the long board of the speed cobras sometimes are too "loose" like its hard to fully control the pedal and ive tried adjusting everything and changing up bass drum techniques. I'm convinced at this point to get a new pedal.............Now i use Yamaha everything for hardware. CS865 stands, Hs1200 high hat and SS950 - I'm in love with all of them so happy.......now is this pedal also the way to go? I will be trying the single pedal at a shop tomorrow, and thinking about the FP9's, the DW 9000 or Pearl Eliminators....... Saw some complaints about the plastic here and that yamaha is over priced. What are your thoughts on this? The attention to detail is amazing and the adjustable chain on the side is such a great feature. that was only one example you showed to the DW9000, what makes them the superior pedal. Can you only use rounded beaters? I'm a big fan of the iron cobra tama beaters (with the rounded felt), i really like the attack they give. Can you install any beaters on this or is it only the rounded ones?
I bought these pedals today, direct drive version. I chose them over the pearl demon drive p3002d. There was a few things I just liked better. One being the spring tension adjustment couldn't be simpler. Also, I like the fact that it's a fairly long board with a heel plate. If you put the demon drive into longboard configuration? You lose the heel plate. I think the quality is equal or even maybe higher than the pearl and it's over $200 cheaper.
That’s so crazy, my homie used to let me use his house to practice, rent free, he was a 450 pro-class rider! Yamaha YZ. We used to push each other to be greater everyday, weather it was workout, practice, track day. This pedal makes too much sense!
great review. does the main pedal ever slide? i feel as though the rubber clamp and the adjustment key to tighten the pedal on the drum hoop seem to be top of the line. do u agree?
Hi @Leona197 is the direct drive version can be converted to chain/strap? And how is the FP9 driveshaft compared to trick shafts(if ever you have experience with them)
No, the direct drive version cannot be converted to a chain drive. The shaft that comes with it is just like a trick driveshaft (pressed ball bearings, with no backlash)
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX thenseems like i have to sell my trickshaft as well.. Also Ive read somewhere that with the FP9's adjustability you could make the chain/strap version feel like a direct drive is that true?
15:33 the left pedals shaft on the Yamaha is at a more straighter angle than the DW... I use an Eliminator and the Left is smoother when I turn the shaft into a straight line, no angles. :)
I just received one of these Yamaha Direct Drive pedals and am trying it out now. In comparing to my DW 5000, so far the pedal beater doesn't have as much power when hitting the head. Maybe I need to play with the adjustments some more. Will have to see. I don't want to put this pedal down, but initial impressions is I'm not overly impressed. I can only compare it to a DW 5000 chain drive.
At about 13:00 in, you say that the 4 grip spikes don't seem to work very well. They work beautifully for me. I play on a carpeted mat and this is the first double pedal I've had in the 25+ years I've been playing that has a secondary pedal that stays precisely where I put it. Even my angle stays the same. It's due to the 2 extra spikes by the heel.
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX I wonder then if it depends on the design of the carpeting, like the way it's weaved or something like that. I guess the carpet on my mat makes the spikes dig in and get 'grabbed' so that they never move. I just have one of those high-traffic entry-way mats that was discarded by one of those mat delivery services (specifically Aramark in this case) because it's no longer 100% perfect. So now I have it. I'd imagine the spikes aren't getting caught by any of the fabric or fibers of your mat. :/
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX Well, with my experience, I can't blame the spikes. I have to blame the carpet because I have the same pedal but the spikes result in the pedal not moving. The same goes for the spikes on my hi-hat stand: they keep it from moving.
I agree. I can’t believe that tama didn’t upgrade their drive shaft on the dyna sync. Whether you get a tama 600 series iron cobra, the cheaper iron cobra or a dyna sync you are getting the same drive shaft essentially just in silver instead of black. and it’s like 50 bucks more than the Yamaha by me.
Spencer Morris As always that is a personal preference subject. But what turned me off was the lack of cam adjustments. Also not sure if you can independently adjust footboard and beater angles from each other.
They feel very similar. Both are well designed and made. If you compare Direct Drive models, you will be left with the choice of which do you like better, and are you willing to pay more for the Trick pedal.
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX Thank you so much for quick reply, I'm torn between the two, the yamaha has the case which is great and I'm really digging the blue/gold attributes. But I am more concerned with the feel, Thank you again for your reply, Anthony
That won’t be possible without modifying the entire pedal. Foot board mount, cam, bearings are all going to have to be swapped for the direct drive. Your best option would be to try them both and settle for the one you like best.
Your comparison starting at 15:00 would be meaningful only if you positioned both Yamaha and DW main and slave pedals at exactly the same angle in relation to the drive shaft. The Cardan joint is not a constant-velocity joint and it doesn't transmit energy in a linear fashion, so it produces resistance that grows as you increase the angle between the pedal axis and the shaft. In your video the DW slave pedal is under a much more extreme angle than Yamaha, so no wonder it stops swinging much faster.
I've been playing Yamaha flying dragon for 15 years and it's a great pedal. I was thinking to upgrade to this one but I don't see the value. It looks great, but for me in that price range if you give me double pedal that can't be converted into two single pedals it's a big no no. I play two kick drums so I want a pedal that can do that. The Flying dragon had that option, so I can only presume it's an marketing decision. Just stupid.
Bro lol but honestly I had the same thought. Actually, I'm thinking, how does someone that has somewhat developed a heal toe action... and fast feet (not great feet) which isn't easy to develop and takes time. But how does that person have such undeveloped hands? Lol and dude I'm sorry, we aren't picking on you, just having fun. I thought it was a good review personally and I watched it because I ordered one a couple days ago and I'm waiting for it.
14:58 finally someone who did with this double pedal what I was looking for. Thank you so much!
It looks like the DW pedal is positioned at a much greater angle than the Yamaha. I don't doubt one's smoother but I'm curious how the increased angle affects the results.
I own these pedals. Depending on your preference of chain drive or direct, this pedal gives you some many options. Spring tension, Footboard adjustment, cam adjustment, durability, light, quick response, wide & long foot board. Overall, a great quality pedal. I recommend trying it. Great video brother 👍
is the direct drive version can be converted to chain/strap?
@@trevorbelmont4633 I don’t think so
@@samoliver9132 its alright I already have them for a couple of months now.. they are fantastic
I just got the direct drive version, they feel great but there is a lot of play in the heel joint. To the point where if I play any kinda burst patterns they make kind of a lot of noise. My pearl redlines are alot quieter than these, I dunno maybe I got a weird pair.
after a lot of research, this pedal seems the best mix of quality and price so i ordered double direct drive yesterday. this video was useful in my investigations so thankyou.
I just snatched one used/mint for half price of new. Beaters were adjusted all the way up and springs cranked all the way tight, no wonder prev owner sold it. Great review, ty
I own this pedal. There are more adjustments available on this pedal. Independent beater and foot board angle adjustments. 1/4 turn locking spring tensioner.
Gauges built in to the body of the pedals to allow you to record your adjustments. Smooth, quick and completely silent.
loving the look of this pedal, thinking Im about to buy it to replace my dw 9002s since Ive lost the slave pedal on it, the only thing I wish more companies did like dw is to put a beater attachment on the slave pedal.
Great video, thanks for making. thinking of buying these, just having a hard time decide direct drive or chain.
Im glad it helped you make a decision
Great video thanks man 🙏
Do you feel like these are light and/or soft like a lot of people describe Axis pedals to be?
I'm torn between choosing a pedal - ive used Tama speed cobras for the past 10 years. the original speed cobras silver double pedal. Now im getting to the point where they arent serving me anymore and I feel like im not getting the most i want out of my feet. there is just something off........so im gonna get a new pedal. i feel the long board of the speed cobras sometimes are too "loose" like its hard to fully control the pedal and ive tried adjusting everything and changing up bass drum techniques. I'm convinced at this point to get a new pedal.............Now i use Yamaha everything for hardware. CS865 stands, Hs1200 high hat and SS950 - I'm in love with all of them so happy.......now is this pedal also the way to go? I will be trying the single pedal at a shop tomorrow, and thinking about the FP9's, the DW 9000 or Pearl Eliminators....... Saw some complaints about the plastic here and that yamaha is over priced. What are your thoughts on this? The attention to detail is amazing and the adjustable chain on the side is such a great feature. that was only one example you showed to the DW9000, what makes them the superior pedal. Can you only use rounded beaters? I'm a big fan of the iron cobra tama beaters (with the rounded felt), i really like the attack they give. Can you install any beaters on this or is it only the rounded ones?
I bought these pedals today, direct drive version. I chose them over the pearl demon drive p3002d. There was a few things I just liked better. One being the spring tension adjustment couldn't be simpler. Also, I like the fact that it's a fairly long board with a heel plate. If you put the demon drive into longboard configuration? You lose the heel plate. I think the quality is equal or even maybe higher than the pearl and it's over $200 cheaper.
Awsome detailed review. Cheers.
Much appreciated!
Nice review man , detailed and not boring my add ass to death cheers .
Sorry, I want ask something. This pedal long board or medium board?
That’s so crazy, my homie used to let me use his house to practice, rent free, he was a 450 pro-class rider! Yamaha YZ. We used to push each other to be greater everyday, weather it was workout, practice, track day.
This pedal makes too much sense!
This is an amazing pedal .
great review. does the main pedal ever slide? i feel as though the rubber clamp and the adjustment key to tighten the pedal on the drum hoop seem to be top of the line. do u agree?
Adam J. Pedal is well designed and made. Main pedal does not slide.
Leona197 thank you
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Hi @Leona197 is the direct drive version can be converted to chain/strap? And how is the FP9 driveshaft compared to trick shafts(if ever you have experience with them)
No, the direct drive version cannot be converted to a chain drive. The shaft that comes with it is just like a trick driveshaft (pressed ball bearings, with no backlash)
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX thenseems like i have to sell my trickshaft as well.. Also Ive read somewhere that with the FP9's adjustability you could make the chain/strap version feel like a direct drive is that true?
15:33 the left pedals shaft on the Yamaha is at a more straighter angle than the DW... I use an Eliminator and the Left is smoother when I turn the shaft into a straight line, no angles. :)
I noticed that too.
im waiting on my direct double yamaha fp9-d. arrives wednesday. yay
Good choice!
I may have missed it but you said you prefer a chain drive? If so, why did you choose this direct drive model?
I just wanted to try it out. Plus it was on sale.
I just received one of these Yamaha Direct Drive pedals and am trying it out now. In comparing to my DW 5000, so far the pedal beater doesn't have as much power when hitting the head. Maybe I need to play with the adjustments some more. Will have to see. I don't want to put this pedal down, but initial impressions is I'm not overly impressed. I can only compare it to a DW 5000 chain drive.
They definitely do not have the power of a chain drive pedal like the 5000.
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX I absolutely agree with you. I've played with it some more and am on the verge of returning it and buying another chain.
@@Orphanoutreach1 check out the DW 5000 50tj anniversary with carbon fiber foot board.
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX I've checked it out, very nice. Have you actually used it? How does it compare to something like the DW 5000 TD 4?
At about 13:00 in, you say that the 4 grip spikes don't seem to work very well. They work beautifully for me. I play on a carpeted mat and this is the first double pedal I've had in the 25+ years I've been playing that has a secondary pedal that stays precisely where I put it. Even my angle stays the same. It's due to the 2 extra spikes by the heel.
TwoCables they didn’t stay on place for me no matter how deep I had the spikes in the carpet.
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX I wonder then if it depends on the design of the carpeting, like the way it's weaved or something like that. I guess the carpet on my mat makes the spikes dig in and get 'grabbed' so that they never move. I just have one of those high-traffic entry-way mats that was discarded by one of those mat delivery services (specifically Aramark in this case) because it's no longer 100% perfect. So now I have it. I'd imagine the spikes aren't getting caught by any of the fabric or fibers of your mat. :/
TwoCables I used it in a few different types of carpet. Pedal do St stay out in any of them. I definitely needed Velcro.
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX Well, with my experience, I can't blame the spikes. I have to blame the carpet because I have the same pedal but the spikes result in the pedal not moving. The same goes for the spikes on my hi-hat stand: they keep it from moving.
You play these pedals barefoot. Do you feel like the pedals slip under your feet since there are no rough anti-slip patches on there?
No problems with slipping. Could be that I don’t sweat that much when I’m playing .
Smooth boards are easier on the feet and they are great if you use slide at all. I prefer smooth boards.
I agree. I can’t believe that tama didn’t upgrade their drive shaft on the dyna sync. Whether you get a tama 600 series iron cobra, the cheaper iron cobra or a dyna sync you are getting the same drive shaft essentially just in silver instead of black. and it’s like 50 bucks more than the Yamaha by me.
Larry Tate Yep. I can’t imagine a few ball bearings would increase cost much over the regular pin shafts.
What do you think of these compared to the Pearl Demon Drives?
Spencer Morris As always that is a personal preference subject. But what turned me off was the lack of cam adjustments. Also not sure if you can independently adjust footboard and beater angles from each other.
Spencer Morris but the Pearl Demon Drive is a fantastic pedal. Comes with a Ball bearing drive shaft and it’s made nicely.
Drum Gunner I can’t imagine either of these pedals bottlenecking anyone’s performance.
How does this pedal compare to the trick Dominator?, Thanks, Anthony
They feel very similar. Both are well designed and made. If you compare Direct Drive models, you will be left with the choice of which do you like better, and are you willing to pay more for the Trick pedal.
@@LaBestiaHumanaMX Thank you so much for quick reply, I'm torn between the two, the yamaha has the case which is great and I'm really digging the blue/gold attributes. But I am more concerned with the feel, Thank you again for your reply, Anthony
@@anthonycddb You're gonna love the feel of the Fp9, Yamaha nailed it.
If I have the chain drive ones can I convert them to direct drive?
That won’t be possible without modifying the entire pedal. Foot board mount, cam, bearings are all going to have to be swapped for the direct drive. Your best option would be to try them both and settle for the one you like best.
I ordered the direct linkages from Sweetwater - About $120 for the parts
ZW075700 (protective rubber)
VCA72300 (direct drive link)
Do these only come in longboard?
Yep,
can you swap it into a lefty or vice versa?
Hmmm I wonder if we are related
@@VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM ayo my bro
Your comparison starting at 15:00 would be meaningful only if you positioned both Yamaha and DW main and slave pedals at exactly the same angle in relation to the drive shaft. The Cardan joint is not a constant-velocity joint and it doesn't transmit energy in a linear fashion, so it produces resistance that grows as you increase the angle between the pedal axis and the shaft. In your video the DW slave pedal is under a much more extreme angle than Yamaha, so no wonder it stops swinging much faster.
You are absolutely right, however the DW driveshaft has a lot of play. I never understood why they don't upgrade a driveshaft with zero play
@@jupiter739 Kao da je majstor namerno hteo da ocrni DW 9000 pa je iskrivio levu pedalu da smanji hod 😊. Smešno
That's exactly what I was thinking. He has the slave pedal end of the drive shaft at much more of an angle.
Yamaha and Tama still can't make double pedals with both beaters in the center of the head. The slave is always off to the left. Axis too.
Yeah, it's kinda weird.
Iggor cavalera also owns this
It's a great pedal.
I've been playing Yamaha flying dragon for 15 years and it's a great pedal. I was thinking to upgrade to this one but I don't see the value. It looks great, but for me in that price range if you give me double pedal that can't be converted into two single pedals it's a big no no. I play two kick drums so I want a pedal that can do that. The Flying dragon had that option, so I can only presume it's an marketing decision. Just stupid.
Yea, If you need the double to convert to two singles, this definitely won’t work for you.
Pearl seems to be the only main stream company that ever thinks of that.
@@larrytate1657 I think that they all removed that option. New redline eliminator is missing that option, I don't see it on pictures 😪
If you want to use it as a single pedal, by all means do it. Just don't connect the slave pedal and the drive shaft.
If you prefer the chain version, why do you have the DD?
I actually switched to chain a while back. Wasn’t feeling the direct drive after a few months.
Is it longboard?
sort of.
Diy' home made ...can be , or not to be ....( projects soon...)
You’re lucky you got jacked calves. Calves are the hardest muscle to get to grow if you don’t naturally have large ones by nature.
Larry Tate yeah for some reason my leg muscles develop without much effort. Lol
Anabolic chicken will help.
Dude, you’ve been playing for 20yrs???
hourglass44 yep. Long years of hiatus in between. But yeah, I picked up a pair of sticks in the year 2000.
Bro lol but honestly I had the same thought. Actually, I'm thinking, how does someone that has somewhat developed a heal toe action... and fast feet (not great feet) which isn't easy to develop and takes time. But how does that person have such undeveloped hands? Lol and dude I'm sorry, we aren't picking on you, just having fun. I thought it was a good review personally and I watched it because I ordered one a couple days ago and I'm waiting for it.
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