I do hope when Dumbledore and Grindelwald finally have their final duel, they actually use inventive magical spells as opposed to laser beams. They're magical masterminds, they should know how to throw out an unexpected spell or two
Well they are both younger than the og time. Albus hasn’t mastered as much yet. And even if Gellert really wanted to go all out it wouldn’t be against his potential ex lover
I hate the “laser beams hit in the centre and move backwards and forwards” magic. It gives no information as audience and means nothing. It’s not really that much of a spectacle either
[FOR EVERBODY'S INFORMATION] I've seen a lot of comments stating that they were disappointed because this is not the "great duel" they were expecting to happen between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Let me say this and correct me if 'm wrong. I think this is not yet the duel where Albus Dumbledore and Gellert Grindelwald were famous for. This is more like the "end-of-our-relationship" duel between the two great wizards or perhaps, we could say, just one of their duels. With that in mind, the "great duel of legend" that happened between Dumbledore and Grindelwald took place in 1945, where Dumbledore gained possession of the Elder Wand and Grindelwald was imprisoned. This duel in the end of the Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, however, according to some sources I looked, happened in year 1932. Probably, the great duel which the two wizards were famous for will be featured in Film 4 or 5 of the franchise, depending on Warner Bros.' decision. That's all. Thank you! :))
J.K. confirmed when she announced this series that the final movie will be in 1945. Considering that this movie ends with Grindelwald cleared of all charges except now trying to murder a 32 year old whos already dying, he still has the German Ministry in his pocket and we know that the magical government communicates with the muggle heads of their countries to keep themselves hidden from the main series. This leads me to believe that Grindelwald will use the ministry and possibly the imperius curse on Adolf Hitler to build his forces and manipulate all of Germany to begin world war 2. What the best way to burn down their world if your own kind wont back you up to do it? you make them kill themselves. TLDR: Movie 4 will take place 1939 and show that Grindelwald has manipulated all of Germany and it will end with World War 2 beginning and Movie 5 will take place in 1945 and the final Duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald will happen on D-Day as a way to cover up the Magical World's involvment with the Nazi's
@@thesonicgaminggod6956 Cant really commit to what Im feeling about this. Is it dissapointment? Today im leaning towards apathy. It just that this whole series was predicated upon some concepts that we never heard of in the Lore. I get it, i get it, Rowling is trying to piece together a story in the backwards direction. Tolkien kinda did that, but he was very meticulous about his world building, and only a few concepts ever contradict the overall theme, from one end to the other. In Rowling's case, it seems she is just stretching a story built on one single premise, a "battle" everyone knows about, a battle nobody really see, and the cementing of a legacy that could not be shaken. However, so far we got 2 talented wizards, just about equal, and im bored. Come one bruh, give Gman the wand, the cape, anything you want. Make him strong, make him invincible, give him complicated spells, runes, incantations, out-of-left field thinking and maneuvering... Build him to be an unstoppable and undebatable god-wizard, and then have Dumble face that. As it is now, I have NEVER (ever ever?) never !!! had any doubt yet that good ole Dumble could lose. Boring.
@@zettkusanagi6322 I agree that their execution has not been good. Honestly i feel the only action scene with a sense of urgency was the chase in the prison with the manticore like creatures. Dumbledore even performed way more interesting magic earlier in the film in his duel with Aurelius. im guessing the only lore reason as to why this duel wasnt better is because they are shocked that they can even fight at all and Dumbledore could be holding back because he still loves Grindelwald even though he does eventually have to stop him.
@@joyboy_5613 voldemort was a different level though. I'd say on a power creep scale he was unironically more powerful. Dude transcended Death itself 😂
When we see their climactic duel, I hope it’s more than apparating and shooting spells directly at each other. The best duel imo is still Voldemort and Dumbledore in OotP when they animate and transfigure against each other.
There's 5 years between (1932) this movie and the second one (1927). There's only around 6 months (Grindelwald's incarceration) between the second one and the first one.
They ruin the fantastic beasts by not following a proper timeline. I think the planning was in the start to release one or two movies to test the popularity
Because it tried to tell the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald from the point of view of Newt Scamander. It’s an odd choice. It’s like trying to tell the story of Harry Potter from the eyes of Hagrid or Luna.
It was meant to be odd. Grendelwald could see in the Chillin blood the future. Dumbledore knew that. So he made all his underlings do random confusing things and improvised throughout to plot ro counter Grendelwald future sight. The suitcases were the final improv that worked
Can we take a moment to appreciate Aberforth being JUST as prepared to take on Grindelwald as he's about to cast the killing curse on Credence?? He already lost his sister to this dude, he wasn't gonna let him kill his son. I was honestly rooting for Aberforth in this movie to have a duel with Grindelwald. We know from the HP movies, the dude had a nuke of a Patronus. Aberforth may be a bartender with a thing for goats, but you DO NOT mess with his family. IMO this scene should've been a 2 v 1 Duel, and save the Dumbledore v Grindelwald for the next film. Aberforth needed this scene.
@@charlielay537 Priori Incantatem: If two wands share the same core (like a feather of the same phoenix as is the case with Voldemort's and Harry's) their wielders can't fatally harm one another. However, Dumbledore and Grindelwald didn't shoot the spells at each other and as far as we know, their wands are no twins.
Not talking about Mom Strange But Endgame Strange would stomp these two After Endgame he was nerfed as hell because apparently you can't make a male character strong now
@@therealslimshady6763 Its because of Disney. Every Disney movie or movies managed by Disney are lowkey feminist now. If I can remember in MoM, during Wanda's attack on Kamar-Taj, Wong was incapacitated because his head hit the ground. Shitty writing if you ask me.
What i find impressive in this battle is that even with the elder wand Grindelwald is as desperate as a wounded tiger. Every barrier he erected against his feelings and fate are being torn down by the very person they were there for. Now he can't hide from either.
That only cause he’s fighting his only threat in the entire wizard world. if he was fighting Theseus he wouldn’t have to try half as much. Dumbeldore is his only equal and gellert knows that, that’s why he wanted credence to kill dumbeldore. I wish the Harry Potter directors made Harry and Voldemorts duels like this
@@Demonoicgamer666 yeah, Dumbledore and Grindelwald were like arch enemy like TFP Optimus Prime and Megatron. If Grindelwald fight against Theseus and his men, he wouldn’t even need to try at all he would’ve throw couple jixn and they’re done for
Even though you might be right, you also forget how quickly Grindelwald overwhelmed Dumbledore. When their wands collided firstly he overwhelmed Dumbledore once, when they collided again he pushed Dumbledore back like in seconds but this time Dumbledore did the same, only much slower. Their fight may have ended in a stalemate but Grindelwald moved alot faster than Dumbledore and overwhelmed him much quicker which indicates that the Elder Wand amplified Grindelwald power. Either way Dumbledore told Harry he won the final by mere skill which might leave alot of room open for Grindelwald being a little stronger in terms of power. We will just have to see how the final battle will go down but I think Grindelwald with the Elder Wand is a little bit stronger than Dumbledore.
An interesting point for magical philosophy. They weren’t able to fight one another. But if one should attempt to protect someone that the other meant to kill the spell is broken. Perhaps the fact that it was dumbeldores own blood being protected that did it. Grindelwald attempted to harm someone of dumbeldors bloodline.
@@tomasmccauley569 Jacob and Newt are the best characters of these movies. Too bad the focus was taken off them just to push this young Dumbledore storyline forward.
I think Mads fits the role of Grindelwald perfectly. There is chemistry between him and Law that I can't really imagine with JD. Good choice as a replacement.
U are saying that because Mads got in with the exciting role in the F.B 3, while Johnny Depp is building the character of Grindelwald in F.B 1&2. If Johnny Depp was in, in this role he would rock it, trust me. If Madz got in with F.B 1&2 do you think he would cast it the way Johnny Depp casted it? So don’t say that you can’t imagine J.D and Law with the chemistry because after all J.D and Law in the Fantastic Beast 1&2 they never met (Only a flashback) or fight unlike with the F.B 3 where Law and Madz are fighting. Don't mind me, I didn't watch this movie. If you guys are really certain that Madz is great with the role of Grindelwald than J.D then please see the rate of a movie 1,2&3 of fantastic beast 1&2 have the higher ratings than this stupid shit recent movie.
@@distractdisturb9228 Johnny is a good actor, but Grindelwald isn't like Voldemort. He's a cult of personality, he was trying to convince people by words that muggleborn are their enemy and only relying on violence when it was necessary...even though he was arguably more powerful than Voldemort on sheer skill alone and actually, truly owned the Elder Wand. It didn't make sense that he looked so eccentric compared to everyone else, even his own followers, and then even to Dumbledore. Voldemort was fucked up and drunk on power, he didn't need to look pretty or make great speeches. He was a psychopathic serial killer cult leader. Grindelwald is not that, and Mads' interpretation of the character is far superior in that respect. The way he talked, how he acted out his plans, it was believable that others could fall into the trap of his oratory skills. This is a man who is trying to convince you that the wider population of the world does not deserve to be treated like human beings and that he should be in charge, he is *literally* wizard Adolf Hitler. Why the fuck would anyone believe someone with that haircut, that mustache, those mannerisms that Depp's character used? He looks like a tool, he acts like a tool, and anyone with a brainstorm will immediately pick this crackhead out as a bad guy. Mads' performance, particularly during the big election scene, was a lot more realistic. He looked controversial but at the same time persuasive. The fact that you didn't watch the movie, and the fact you're relying on ratings to prove your argument, just show you'd prefer to be asinine. The ratings of FB3 were shit because the story writing was shit. Anytime people talk about this movie, one of the strongest points is going to be Mads' performance. You're writing that as if his replacing Johnny Depp was the sole reason it flopped...and the funny part? You're bringing up the first movie, where Depp had what...two lines and one brief appearance, and Colin Farrell did all the actual heavy lifting? Johnny's a great actor but his interpretation of the character was beyond stupid, looks, dialogue, all of it. Not once did I believe that anyone could buy what Depp's Grindelwald was selling. That's not his fault, he was just miscasted into a role that should've been used by someone with a more classy posture. Depp's character was someone I would 100% have rather seen in the HP movies as one of Voldemort's followers.
@@distractdisturb9228 No, I genuinely think Mads fits the role of this villain very well, has nothing to do with the built up of the character in the previous movies. I think he and JD give a very different villain vibe. And yes you are right, they have never met, that's why I say I can't IMAGINE them having chemistry, not that they have less chemistry. I'm just pleased that they have found a good replacement that makes the former love affair Dumbledore and Grindelwald had believable, the opening scene was splendid. Good acting on both sides. Also, you think the good rating of the first two movies was all thanks to JD performance? Perhaps you should watch the movie before lashing out on other people's opinion?
This scene makes the tears flow. From Credence being defended by both his dad and uncle, to Dumbledore not letting the love that he had for Grindlewald stop him from standing up to him
This duel is actually heartbreaking, two lovers fighting for what they believe is right and coming to a cross roads against each other. The music and choreography expresses this perfectly as does th look on Dumbledores face when he knows the most important person to him is actually trying to kill him.
But he couldn’t. The scene in 1:36 shows how Grindelwald really wanted, and due the Elderwand definitely could have, killed him but his feelings for Dumbledore were too strong
@@lukash.8788 Incorrect. Even with the Elder Wand, Gellert is simply the lesser wizard. In the actual final dual between them, that is proven by Dumbledore's victory.
Love that moment at 0:46 when both dumbledore and Grindelwald see the spell being broke and them both looking at each other knowing they can now harm each other. 😏👀
They desperately have to go back to the kind of spells uses in Dumbledore vs Voldemort. Those spells were interesting, they were strategic, they actually looked like magic. Here it's just swishes of rapidly moving light. Whoever decided it should be like this should never touch another Harry Potter universe movie again.
@@shadowx8145 No... It actually isn't. Maybe as a quick "gotcha", but magic in Harry Potter is supposed to lean into the whimsical and fantastical. Wands aren't guns or weapons. They are tools. The killing curse, expeliarmus, etc. Are spells that could be used as such. But not every spell needs to be a gun but magic.
@@shadowx8145 I'll take practicality over creativity in a fight scene like this. Getting up close like this is obviously way more dangerous than shooting spells from 10ft away. Besides there are much better ways to be creative that do not include impractical and somewhat cringy chest touching scene.
What makes an Epic movie duel more Epic is the backstory, the context, the feeling, the emotion, the reason for the fight. Anakin vs. Obi Wan, Hector vs. Achilles, Rocky vs. Drago. The epic movements, the good spectacular choreography, the action make it more Epic, but the most important thing is not what you see, it's what makes you feel. Epic dueling is philosophical, poetic, metaphorical, exciting, ,its Art.
Ah yes, comparing the spectacular fight choreography of Anakin vs Obiwan to.... *Pewpew lasers go woooo* You are saying flowery things to sound pretty because you can't argue objectively. The fact your best argument is exactly what movies use to blind you of their bad writings, Manipulating your feelings with pretty visuals and music etc... Is the proof you bit the bait.
@@redregg5333bruh, isn't this where Dumbledore learnt about Priori Incantatem and his wand was secretly a brother wand with the elder wand? that's why Dumbledore would know about how Harry and Voldemort had the Priori Incantatem at the graveyard? I mean, WHO THE FUCK would know about Priori Incantatem at the first place?
You know I wish I could watch this scene for the first time again. I enjoyed but didn’t love the entire movie (I still thought it was good overall) but this scene was amazing. The music, the suspense and the action sequence was very cool and exactly what I wanted as a HP fan. I hope they do another film and we get to see the famous great duel between them. I know people have their theories on how the duel turned out and I agree with those who believe Grindlewald wasn’t fully committed and the elder wand realised this. However I also like to think that Dumbledore was holding back during the first half of the duel, sending non killing curses and whatnot and when Grindlewald was winning the spell link, Dumbledore realised he had to commit to beating Grindlewald and thus stepped it up, whilst still remaining true to his believe in good and obviously not killing Grindlewald. I feel you can see this when Dumbledore looks at the spell and then at Grindlewald like “you’re winning this and even though I don’t want to hurt you, I have to stop you” and then extends his arm pushing the spell back. You can also see in his eyes how upset he is at having to do this and credit has to go to them both for great acting. I also want to say, I’m REALLY proud that the film wanted to introduce a gay relationship without shoving it down our throats. I thought the balance was perfect and the bit at the end with them having their hands on each other’s chests was actually very lovely and emotional.
Not only "chests". The left side of each other's chests. Where the heart is. Their hearts. I found this really sweet. Between all the bitterness and anger and wrath and crazyness and violence. Their hearts.
Uhhhhh what? They very clearly shoved their gay relationship in our faces - my wife and I had to turn it off by the 45th minute mark because there was already 8 or more scenes where they wanted to show how gay they were and did absolutely nothing for the plot. It SUCKED.
I absolutely agree about Dumbledore not committing fully until the beam struggle (well fully in terms of not wanting to kill him but committing to stopping him) but I would argue that Grindelwald was going all out the whole time (or at the very least he thought he was). In my opinion Dumbledore seemed to have the upper hand the entire time despite not being the aggressor. For example, if you saw a professional boxer always rushing forward throwing everything at his opponent trying to destroy him but his opponent just dodges and weaves and occasionally jabs back... who looks better?
I am unhappy with how David Yates handles wizard duels. He has directed every wizarding film from Order of the Phoenix to The Secrets of Dumbledore and, on the topic of dueling, I feel his contributions are not great. Underage wizards cast nonverbal spells without difficulty, and the effect is weak: a wisp of colorless magical energy that blasts a person backwards. Nearly every spell cast by a Hogwarts student or a member of the Order of the Phoenix looks and performs this way. However, my largest grievance with Mr. Yates here is the "spell beam battle" that takes place in so many wizard duels. In the Goblet of Fire novel this is described as occurring between Harry and Voldemort's spells due to their shared connection and their wands being brothers, essentially... an effect of Priori Incantatum. However, this same effect occurs between Dumbledore and Voldemort in OotP, between Arthur Weasley and a Death Eater in Deathly Hallows: Part 2, between Harry and Voldemort in Deathly Hallows: Part 2, between Tina and Graves/Grindelwald in Fantastic Beasts, and Dumbledore and Grindelwald in this film. I don't think it's very evocative. Easily the best duel in the films would be between Dumbledore and Voldemort in The Order of the Phoenix, which possessed more variety and nuance than all of the others. And, interestingly, when that film was released I thought then that the duel could have been done better.
I agree with the whole thing with most battles only being magic beams, the main thing I have a problem with is that most wizards act like teleporting is the only way to move, none of them rely on actually being able to dodge, run or even physically overpower their opponent. I’m glad they at least somewhat fixed this issue in this fight with them both actually fighting without their wands
Might as well make them use WandGuns huh? thats what every spell looks like. I think its Rowlin's fault also. She's got tons of things at her disposal to make epic battles...Transfiguration, Charms, Jinxs, Hexes, Curses. On top of that, we got a whole universe of magical beasts from which to derive other spells. Where are the body-taijutsu specialists, the summoners, the demonic forces, the angelic, the druids, the fairy or pixie folk magic, gnomes and goblins, the metamorphosis nuts, the speedsters, the teleporters, the void users, the foresight fools, ... Imagine a wizard fight where they use gravity amulets, binding arcana cards, growth elixirs, luck horseshoe, stardust, fortress trap runes... Dr. Strange's boring movies where he got a house full of crazy @#%@#$ and never uses any. Meh Stop using wands. Wands for nubs. Where the staffs, orbs, grimoires, puppets...
In the final and legendary battle between Albus and Grindelwald not only the enormous power of both wizards must be shown. The disappointment and pain of each fighting the other must also be shown. Gellert vs. Albus for power and Albus vs. Gellert for dignity. And of course the pain that it produces for the love and friendship that they once shared.
Just imagine if Grindelwald get a wand again and fight Voldemort. Taking revenge for Dumbledore and helping Harry with old, painful feelings. It's impossible yes but so magical at the same time.
One small detail I kinda like is how during the spell-lock, Grindlewald was clearly massively overpowering Dumbledore and could of beaten him right there- but you can see on his face a clear shift to regret and sadness, and then the spell turns against him. He's clearly a dangerous murderous man who values his future OVER Dumbledore, but it's also clear he still has a hope and love for him.
Feeds into the HP lore why putting your intention behind it is important, this is the reason also why when Harry was dead he completely resisted Voldemort's cruxio curse, because Voldemort already believed he was dead, Voldemort thought he was performing the curse on an already dead body, so it wouldnt have reacted to pain anyways
@@ashm4938 that wasn't case at all. Voldemort's curse was not working because Harry still had Lily's protection. Voldemort thought that by taking Harry's blood protection will be dismissed, instead Voldemort got incorporated into that protection. By taking Harry's blood Voldemort was able to touch harry but he would not be able to cause him any harm. In the similar way Harry would not be able to cause any Harm to Voldemort. They both were tethered to each other for life and prophecy was overturned into "both have to live" Instead of "only one can live". If Voldemort didn't have elder wand, he wouldn't be dead, and he would never been able to kill Harry anyways, unless he asked his death eaters to perform that task, which would have been huge blow to his image as so called dark Lord, who was unable to kill teenage boy.
I believe this is what contributed to Grindelwald’s defeat. He was more unwilling to kill Dumbledore. The same wasn’t true for Dumbledore who was set on taking Grindelwald down. As lethal and effective as Grindelwald is, Dumbledore was far more methodical. The elder wand most definitely reacted to and sensed this weakness.
Cannon mistake in the first 41 seconds. There’s no blocking a killing curse with actual magic. Hence why dumbledore didn’t use “protego” during his duel with voldemort
I find this scene epic and beautiful every time I watch it! Absolutely love it. Jude Law is perfect as Dumbledore, as is Mads Mikkelson as Grindelwald. Perfect chemistry!
For what it’s worth, this fight looked pretty cool. It definitely appeared like they wanted to incorporate a pseudo fist fight/gun fu here but for wands.
2:26 If you listen carefully enough it sounds like "Please, don't go, please". Even though I know that it's probably Latin, I still think that it's beautiful coincidence
I think so too, 'cause if we watch carefully, as Dumbledore is about to go away, Gellert comes foward, like he wants to stop Dumbledore from going away.
You know, a lot of people are confused about how the Avada Kadavra spell was able to break the Love Bond Grindelwald and Dumbledore had, myself included. But as of late, I was kinda thinking about it, and I came to a kind of weird headcanon that helps me digest it a bit better. I think about how in Deathly Hallows Pt. 2, Voldemort used it on Harry and how it didn’t kill Harry. Yes, Harry basically had possession of all the Deathly Hallows at that moment and yes, what the AK spell ended up striking was the Horcrux WITHIN Harry, thus not killing Harry, himself. But think about what it takes to destroy a Horcrux. It takes mythical items or the body parts of powerful magical creatures to destroy. But apparently, an Avada Kadavra can destroy it as well. So it makes me wonder if the actual function of the AK spell is a bit more complex than just “killing” whatever it targets. I wonder if the more appropriate description is that it “brings and end” to whatever it targets. It “brings an end” to anything living that it strikes. It “brings an end” to powerful magical items like the Horcruxes. And here, it brought an end to the magical covenant Dumbledore and Grindelwald shared. I feel that understanding of the spell applies best to every use of it we’ve seen throughout every series.
I really like this headcanon. I have one of my own. It is repeatedly said that you need to truly "mean" a curse for it to work. When Dumbledore said "He sought to kill, I sought to protect," it very much made sense to me. Grindelwald fully intended to kill Credence, Dumbledore fully intended to protect him. He clearly blames himself for Ariana's death and loves Aberforth. He would not see his brother suffer again by having his son taken away from him. This could be a similar kind of love protection that led to Voldemort being unable to harm Harry after Lily's death. Two such opposing forces collided, creating magic powerful enough to break the bond.
Avadakedavra doesn't break the spell. It's fully confirmed that the only way for the blood bond to break is for both of them to clash spells that have no intent to harm of each other. Which would be considered impossible because in the context of them being lovers, they could never harm each other if they were angry at one another, and they would never fire spells at the other on a whim. Meaning the spell could only be broken when they truly had different goals and objectives. Dumbledores spell was to protect credence, and Grindlewalds was to kill Credence.
It's called terrible writing to the point where not even the writer knows what is happening in their own fiction. Consume something else, please for the love of God. You wrote paragraphs and paragraphs of shit nobody cares about
I like how Grindelwald doesn't even have to SAY the words to use Avada Kedavra. That solidifies my opinion that while Voldemort was certainly more famous (or infamous) Grindelwald was considerably more powerful
Voldemort was even more powerful than Dumbledore. Just hasty. Fought him at the end of the order of phoenix while Dumbledore had the elder wand. Rowling and Dumbledore have themselves said, Voldemort was probably the most powerful wizard in history. Just a little too impulsive and power hungry. Also, you can’t perform Avada Kedavra without saying the spell. It’s not a non verbal spell, at least in the books.
In the books that may be true..not sure. Anyhow, I’m the movie he actually does perform Aveda kadabra without the words during the last duel at the castle multiple times.
@@sagrophobiaAlso Dumbledore was not using any killing spell against him ...he was just trying to protect Harry and hold Voldemort till ministry arrive to confirm revival of Voldemort...In book, Dumbledore was basically toying with him..Even Voldemort admitted that by saying " I see, you are not using killing spell against me"
So sad the franchise got cancel before we get the chance to see the epic final duel between the 2, seeing Dumbledore win the Elder Wand and as it has been described it is the most powerful duel that the world has witnessed
You are right we didn't get chance to see that duel, huhhh idk why people didn't liked it as I think it was a amazing series and there was no hate point at all in whole series
@@redregg5333I think it was because compared to Harry Potter, Fantastic Beasts holds a lot more depth and needs more time to understand and soak into the story. I kinda understand why many people dont like it, but you cannot deny, it is an amazing prequel. Dumbledore was always this mysterious character to me, this series is the answer to how he became so powerful, Im so sad it got canceled.
@@AlexMason-45 Voldemort commanded thousand of glass pieces towards Potter, then Dumbledore turned glass back into sand. Voldemort ran away immediately after that moment, since Dumbledore literally reversed time in front of him. In novel, the fight was quite different, I remember Dumbledore using statues of department to tank an Avada.
This scene never fails to make me emotional. The entire duel is a metaphor for the tragedy of their relationship. Their spells (attacks and betrayal on one another) damaging the environment (their battlespace a kind of neglected paradise/safe space between them) is a nice touch. When the orb of their colliding spells sends out that shockwave further disintegrating that safe space between them it reminds me of the emotional trauma of the moment of heartbreak, the moment when you finally accept in your core it can NEVER be no matter what you do.
this fight choreography is brilliant - i don't care what anyone else says. it speaks so much about how not only how equally they're matched, but also how similar their fighting styles are: They both use Apparition defensively (something we've never seen any other wizards do because Apparating is not an easy feat at all), they can predict what the other is going to do and turn just as they reappear, both Albus and Gellert physically dodge spells in addition to using Protego shields, and lastly, the two of them come about arm's length to each other (another thing we've never seen any other wizards do, simply because it's so dangerous.) this battle is so unique in its own right, especially with how their hands end up on each other's hearts in the end. the magic here looks epic; the two of them are so powerful yet their dynamic has been so chaotic that not only is their magic causing the surrounding structure to break but also levitate around them. yes, it's in "blood troth realm" but the magic causing all destruction is Albus and Gellert's, and the destruction is to symbolic tot he breaking of the blood troth and the breaking of their hearts. it's a wonderful scene. i wish it had been longer, even though it's perfectly understandable why it's so short. I'd gladly watch a movie based on Albus Dumbledore's journey alone, with the FB characters making cameos. i want to see Dumbledore and Grindelwald's legendary battle of '45 and I really love both their characters so much.
Sorry but this duel is dull despite of it supposedly being the two most powerful wizards. It’s not that creative, just average spells flying at each other and the typical “spells meeting each other” like a laser tug of war. All the CGI effects nowadays take away from realism. And it’s all happening in some weird dream like dimension. They did it earlier with credence too. It just makes it more like a fantasy. Spells seem more real when they react to a REAL environment. Then they get so close to each other that it seems like it’s going to evolve into a physical brawl. But I guess they needed them to get close enough so they can touch hearts so we can get a ‘emotional’ teary moment. The Producers here were lazy. Dumbledore vs Voldemort scene is day and night in comparison.
@@meghanachauhan9380 i dont understand this wasnt even a duel they werent evn trying to kill each other, the real duel is still left, u jst want every fight to be like dumbledore vs voldermort.
@@unapologeticpatriot6504Are you talking about realism in movie about magic? Come on man, the scene is underwhelming but because of the writing not because of cgi. Many environments in movies are cgi but looks real.
I find it telling (although there are many who think otherwise) that it's Grendelwald that caresses Dumbledore. He's the one in this duel who broke, letting his emotions shows. Dumbledore seeing this, stopped the duel. It's a duel that ended in a forfeit, on both their parts. I've read way too many comments and postulations saying that Grendelwald never truly loved Dumbledore in the first place, that he was just using him for his mind. I think, in this duel, Dumbledore broke something in Grendelwald right here. Something that Gellert didn't even contemplate to be possible, Dumbledore never truly loved him the way he did. Dumbledore, while gay, was only in a true "Bostonian Marriage." A relationship of convenience that Dumbledore felt was enough to quench his, then, latent homosexuality. It wasn't until long after the final duel that Dumbledore realized that what he had with Gellet was much more and therefore much more dangerous then he ever really understood.
I totally disagree. Both Dumbledore and Grindelwald have always been aware of the depth of the feelings they had for each other. The way Dumbledore speaks about their relationship in front of Newt and Theseus ("What posessed you to do such a thing? "Love"(smile+ tender, dramma look)/ "the summer Gellert and I fell in love"), the way he escapes not only from a direct confrontation with Grindelwald but even from his own feelings (see Mirror of Erised scene in CoG), the existence of the blood troth itself...as well as what we know from Rowling's, Law's and Mikkelsen's declarations, clearly prove the two were fully aware of the power of their mutual feelings and of the implications of the latter. Because, besides love, there are also a deep sense of guilt for Dumbledore (who loved a criminal and Muggle-hater, who had diserted him when his sister died) and a feeling of bitterness and disappointment for Grindelwald (who loved someone who had turned his back to the plans they had made together and, indirectly, to him). But these "by- feelings" would not be there without a deep consciousness of their bond. Such consciousness was already there in their youth (which is, by the way, why Dumbledore has been heart-broken since they parted as teenagers) and it was what pushed them to create the blood troth. And it is clear that, at least until the duel, Dumbledore have always been the more fragile of the two, the one who more openly admitted his feelings, the one who "wore his heart on his sleeve" (beautiful how they metaphorically expressed it by having him keep the blood troth on his wrist). I would say, for Dumbledore, the ultimate proof of his ever-going love for Grindelwald is the image he sees reflected in the Mirror of Erased, while for Grindelwald, before their confrontation in Buthan, there was never a "moment of truth", he always knew he loved Dumbledore, but probably until the duel he had never realized how much he needed him and feared to loose his love, which is why he was the one more shocked and upset by it.
I would've liked a scene where Grindelwald claims that because they rejected him as his leader the muggles would have the chance to destroy the world through WW2 just as he predicted in fantastic beasts 2 when he said it would happen if wizards didn't rise up and take their place. perhaps he might cause the world himself to proof himself right and gain even more followers
Lost my shit when I watched this in theaters.. Was expecting the fight to be A LITTLE bit more longer but I guess it'll do. We'll see more of their epic battle in the upcoming movies. This fight alone moved me, especially the part where they held each others hearts, it really marked the end of their relationship. It was kinda obvious that they couldn't fight each other because of their feelings. Still confused how the blood pact broke tho? I know Dumbledore said something along the line "he sought to kill, I sought to protect" but how exactly did it break?
This wasn't the end of their relationship though. That final fight takes place years later and should be much more epic than this. Remember, dumbledore defeats Grindelwald and takes the elder wand. Also, in regards to the blood pact breaking, i hear that it breaks when your blood partner attacks someone you're trying to protect. Not sure if this is true tho.
The pact broke because Dumbledore didn't cast a spell against Grindelwald directly, he cast it to protect Credence. Because he didn't cast directly against Grindelwald, he didn't move against him but rather the spells met.
Their Blood Pact broke because they took irreconcilably and directly opposing actions: attempting to kill Credence and attempting to save him from the other's spell. There is a parting of the ways here, where the two acknowledge each other as enemies, and thus the Blood Pact binding them as allies is shattered by their mutual consent to fight, against its purpose. I believe that the important part is that they both agree to the enmity by clashing spells, instead of one of them attacking the other without the other wishing to attack back. The mutuality, not the indirectness, is critical here.
I mean it was pretty much implied that he beat Grindelwald and gained the Elder Wand when he beat him. So he beats him with his wand against Grindelwald who had the Elder Wand.
Only because Grindelwald is holding back😂 at the start when both there wands connect, you can see Grindelwald massively overpowering him, if you then look at his facial expressions they change to a sadness/regretful, as soon as that expression changes the spell force bounces back towards Grindelwald. It makes sense that he's stronger, because when Voldermort went to visit Grindelwald he refused to tell him anything.
@@AstroSully no not really. When dumbledore got the elder wand, yes... He was the strongest out of the two, but Grindelwald is way stronger with the wand.
I too was disappointed that a part 4 isn’t currently in the works. Eventually we will get the real duel. But it’s likely to be years. Maybe even a decade. Fantastic beasts has been a huge letdown and people are burned out by a series that doesn’t remotely live up to Harry Potter standards. The pandemic didn’t help. People didn’t want to go to the theater and turned to piracy which cost the studio hundreds of millions. The Johnny depp trial didn’t help. But fans still want to see this duel. I do. Eventually we’ll get the duel but expect it to be 2030 something. We really don’t need two more movies, but this duel is the one piece of HP folklore that’s still missing (well, there’s a lot they can still do, Cursed Child, movies about the House founders, etc, but I don’t think what they’ll make justifies the budget, maybe a TV series eventually?) and with better directing and a good trailer, advertising the true end of the Harry Potter universe, they can get people out to theaters one more time, and we can put a period on the series with part 4 ending with the greatest duel of all time and the imprisonment of Grindelwald. It’s not uncommon to put a series on the back burner for a decade, let everybody cool off, and let the creative juices get going again before coming back better than before.
Kind of not liking how magic battles these days are pretty much a pushing contest. I mean look at when Albus fought Voldemort. That was incredible. Elemental manipulation, summonings, transmutations. Voldemort literally breathed a fire serpent into existence and Albus locked him inside of a water prison!
Yeah that was creative typ of magics who all also looked cool, then suddenly its just beams... The one with Harry vs Voldemort is obvious because of the shared Wand origins as stated in the Books. But all the other? Visual Impressive yeah, but kinda iffy.
@@HandsomeGamerGuy si pero eso solo fue en la primera pelea entre Harry y Voldemort, despues voldemort cambia la varita y Harry tambien y siguen peleando igual
I like how they have come up with a technique to fight the unforgivable Avada Kedavra curse. Apparate out of its way or deflect the hand casting it. And I like that. Kind of shows how Dumbledore has survived all these years and why he is a force to reckon with. Also, where I can find a Qilin baby for me?
The Avada Kedavra curse weakness was it could always be blocked by something even an inanimate object. People in the movies getting killed by it were not either expecting it, lack of experience or their mind was not quick and sharp enough to know it and defend against it. A sharp mind can do great things.
2.26 when Gellert moves closer just before Dumbledore turns away. I think he was going for a kiss/embrace. That was the second it ended hence him lashing out with words.
These prequel films do not deserve the hate. AT ALL. They're all freaking awesome and true to the HP movies, and I really hope the fourth one will be announced soon.
My problem with them is that Newt Scamander is the main character. IMO it should be about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and also return to the more mature energy that most of the HP movies had as opposed to being obviously targeted at a child audience.
What i found quite amusing was how quickly all the people switched sides Like one second they were all like "Yeah grindelwald lets shoot green in the sky" and the next "oh she is better sorry"
He has no bloody charisma. The only Grindelwald vibe emanating from him is that he and Law have good chemistry and they could really be lovers, and that's it. As for the rest, Johnny Depp was much far more convincing.
@@WestLegend03 .... like a clown bird covered in make up and stuff. Mads are a superior actor, showing the subtle pain and the darkness without histronisims.
Fantastic Beasts 5 will have the actual duel that Grindelwald and Dumbledore were known for. Now… I hope 4 is good because rn idk how they can stretch the story further in between 3 and 5
...I'm quite happy to side eye Dumbledore's actions within the HP canon narrative (and the fanon ones too) but goodness I'm feeling for him here (and this movie in particular). The stalemate with the hand on chest. And the complicated feels between these two (yes even Grindelwald in his warpedness). Gaaaah. Clutches at own chest.
This fight was amazing, only last for 30 seconds if that but it’s gotten me hyped for their legendary duel, if they can do that in under a minute what could they do in a 10 minute duel, this duel blows Harry and voldemorts fight out of the water, it was too good, and the music was beautifully done.
Well of course it does Harry and Voldemort was literally a fight between a weakened Dark Wizard and a Teenage Boy who only had 7 years of magical training vs 2 incredibly powerful wizards who have decades of experience
This fight was nothing compared to Voldemort and dumbledore. The fight between grindelwald and dumbledore was supposed to be epic. This movie was a waste of time.
I love Mads. But imagine if Johnny Depp was still Grindelwald, he looked more badass and dangerous. In the books Grindelwald was very powerful at his prime, and nearly conqured Europe. Voldemort fought against a school. Even when Grindelwald was old and frail, he laughed in Voldemorts face refusing to reveal the location of the Elder Wand ”Kill me then Voldemort! I welcome death, you will never win” laughing as Voldemort kills him in utter frustration. Grindelwald was a more cool Dark Lord than Voldemort. Imo
I like the fact that they "broke up" with this fight on the space they made by the blood pact. The lore between D. and G. is perfect, even with Mads Mikkelsen. They've could do something great with the end of the Franchise : meet with Jedusor, Hagrid (and Aragog)... too bad it's over now...
LMFAO I did not realize it was in a different language up until they speak at 2:39 and was so into the scene and wanted to hear him say "who will love you now" and fucking lost it when he started talking.
Dumbledore realized mid fight during the clash the of their two spells that Grindlewald really wanted to kill him, which surprised him because of their past. From then on, Dumbledore didn't hold back.
No, it’s actually the opposite… he saw that Grindelwald could beat him, but he stopped at the very last moment, which is when Dumbledore looked at him and realised now was his chance to try and disarm him. Also the spell was red not green so it wasn’t the killing curse
@@WxB2001 No. JD Grindewald as basically an HP Jack Sparrow. Grindewald is a serious character with serious motivation and goal and Mads is perfect for him.
I thought Colin Ferrel did an amazing job in the first movie. It’s a shame such good actors were wasted on such a horrible movie full of plot holes and garbage writing.
Depp will surely be in the next one as he's won the Amber Heard case and all the drama has finished. If Depp gets asked I hope he chooses to come back.
@@WxB2001 yeah thats not gona happen, the series is already looking pretty dead at this point, if another movie gets greenlit they aren't going to take a chance with depp.
I hope everyone realizes that casting magic without word incantation is not something so easily done. It goes to show how above most wizards these two are. So cool! o_o;
that shit happens constantly in harry potter and fantastic beasts, wordless magic is a dime a dozen in this universe now, the "magic" from the first like 4 movies of harry potter are pretty much gone
@@OccupiedMuffins Yeah I know its really sad cause wordless magic is actually, in lore really hard to master. But they made it look like its easy. I guess its artistic direction that 'hollywood' took. Bah. Cause everyone and their mother can do wordless magic.
@@Ilposeidonll well we are talking about albus and geralt here 2 extremely powerful magicians in their prime and they are still learning so wordless magic should be easy for them.
@@Mcherri True that true that. But I deep dived into the lore a bit and into Hoggywarts Legacy and found out wordless magic is very hard to do. Then Hollywood allowed all wizards to do it which is a shame. But yeah they are extremely powerful and in their prime, its really scary to think how powerful those two were.
I like they didn’t just point wands to each other like voldemort vs harry. You could feel the impact of the spells when they waved their wands with such force.
Really shows how powerful Dumbledore is. He is fighting a dark lord that has the elder wand in hand. And just completely overpowers him. The strongest wand in existence in the hands of a powerful dark lord, and Dumbledore easily pushes him back. This isnt movie Dumbledore, this is book dumbledore.
IF we get the next 2 movies, it'll be interesting to see albus' position in the battle, in the book it says he realised he'd been hesitant too long and had to act against Grindelwald, With that blood pact being severed that could be a key point in the movie, I'd like to see how that's played out with Albus no longer having the pact stopping him and having no choice but to face the one he loves in a duel, Its be heavy emotionally
0:33 my favourite moment Aberforth ready to save his son. I found it very touching and heart-warming, like: "Did you ever think of me?" "Always." I like Aberforth was given some space; he lived mostly under the shadow of Albus; for a time, let's give him a relevant part in the history! I hope to see Aurelius in the fourth movie, even for a brief moment, the last moments of his life, with his father by his side.
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You may not like it, Mr. Grindelwald, but you can't deny, Dumbledore's got style.
Uhhh i bet Gellert knows that 😉
But i love your comment 🤌🏻😍😍
They both have style
@@francescobaratti8065 yes indeed
Oh he likes it 😏
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I do hope when Dumbledore and Grindelwald finally have their final duel, they actually use inventive magical spells as opposed to laser beams. They're magical masterminds, they should know how to throw out an unexpected spell or two
yeah like his duel with voldemort in the department of mysteries that was mind boggling awesome when i 1st saw it
Both of them can cast a flashy big fire spell... better make use of them next time
@@jaymedavis1177 Not to be that guy but it was the Ministry of magic. The department of mysteries is where all the secrets and prophecies are kept.
Well they are both younger than the og time. Albus hasn’t mastered as much yet. And even if Gellert really wanted to go all out it wouldn’t be against his potential ex lover
I hate the “laser beams hit in the centre and move backwards and forwards” magic. It gives no information as audience and means nothing. It’s not really that much of a spectacle either
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I've seen a lot of comments stating that they were disappointed because this is not the "great duel" they were expecting to happen between Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
Let me say this and correct me if 'm wrong. I think this is not yet the duel where Albus Dumbledore and Gellert Grindelwald were famous for. This is more like the "end-of-our-relationship" duel between the two great wizards or perhaps, we could say, just one of their duels. With that in mind, the "great duel of legend" that happened between Dumbledore and Grindelwald took place in 1945, where Dumbledore gained possession of the Elder Wand and Grindelwald was imprisoned. This duel in the end of the Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, however, according to some sources I looked, happened in year 1932. Probably, the great duel which the two wizards were famous for will be featured in Film 4 or 5 of the franchise, depending on Warner Bros.' decision. That's all. Thank you! :))
J.K. confirmed when she announced this series that the final movie will be in 1945. Considering that this movie ends with Grindelwald cleared of all charges except now trying to murder a 32 year old whos already dying, he still has the German Ministry in his pocket and we know that the magical government communicates with the muggle heads of their countries to keep themselves hidden from the main series. This leads me to believe that Grindelwald will use the ministry and possibly the imperius curse on Adolf Hitler to build his forces and manipulate all of Germany to begin world war 2. What the best way to burn down their world if your own kind wont back you up to do it? you make them kill themselves.
TLDR: Movie 4 will take place 1939 and show that Grindelwald has manipulated all of Germany and it will end with World War 2 beginning and Movie 5 will take place in 1945 and the final Duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald will happen on D-Day as a way to cover up the Magical World's involvment with the Nazi's
@@thesonicgaminggod6956 Cant really commit to what Im feeling about this. Is it dissapointment? Today im leaning towards apathy. It just that this whole series was predicated upon some concepts that we never heard of in the Lore. I get it, i get it, Rowling is trying to piece together a story in the backwards direction. Tolkien kinda did that, but he was very meticulous about his world building, and only a few concepts ever contradict the overall theme, from one end to the other.
In Rowling's case, it seems she is just stretching a story built on one single premise, a "battle" everyone knows about, a battle nobody really see, and the cementing of a legacy that could not be shaken. However, so far we got 2 talented wizards, just about equal, and im bored. Come one bruh, give Gman the wand, the cape, anything you want. Make him strong, make him invincible, give him complicated spells, runes, incantations, out-of-left field thinking and maneuvering... Build him to be an unstoppable and undebatable god-wizard, and then have Dumble face that.
As it is now, I have NEVER (ever ever?) never !!! had any doubt yet that good ole Dumble could lose. Boring.
You are right this is not the legendary duel their legendary duel was in 1945 where unlike this one in 1945 one of them do defeat the other
@@zettkusanagi6322 I agree that their execution has not been good. Honestly i feel the only action scene with a sense of urgency was the chase in the prison with the manticore like creatures. Dumbledore even performed way more interesting magic earlier in the film in his duel with Aurelius. im guessing the only lore reason as to why this duel wasnt better is because they are shocked that they can even fight at all and Dumbledore could be holding back because he still loves Grindelwald even though he does eventually have to stop him.
@@tyewallace6863 Yeah im hoping my theory about Grindelwald orchestrating World War 2 becomes true though.
I love how they’re so powerful that they basically cannot touch each other. Fighting on a different level to what other wizards understand
Relax. They just shoot generic magic
beams. Not that hard
@@work90 ok harry potter you do realize we're all muggles
In the books, Dumbledore vs Voldemort had a TRUE superior level wizard fighting
@@joyboy_5613 voldemort was a different level though. I'd say on a power creep scale he was unironically more powerful.
Dude transcended Death itself 😂
Dumbledore seemed more powerful im the harry potter films
Gotta say Mad Mikkelsen acting was scary. He really played Grindelwald well
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Johnny depp better for me
Johnny the Goat Depp
At first, it was Johnny for me.
But after seeing this..... it's DEFINITELY Mads now
You should see him as Hannibal Lecter, he's pretty scary in that role too
When we see their climactic duel, I hope it’s more than apparating and shooting spells directly at each other. The best duel imo is still Voldemort and Dumbledore in OotP when they animate and transfigure against each other.
This wasn’t the big fight…
That duel was the best scene in all the movies. Only magical duel worthy of the name in the entire series.
@@MrBrachiatingApe yup. This duel was just as underwhelming as Harry v voldemort
The best duel is Dumbledore vs Voldemort book verson
@@MrBrachiatingApe Dumbledore vs ezra miller duel was also really good, if you wanna re-watch it
This movie was...odd. I rewatched the first 2 before going and it still felt like I missed a film's worth of plot in between.
There's 5 years between (1932) this movie and the second one (1927). There's only around 6 months (Grindelwald's incarceration) between the second one and the first one.
It's just 2 gay man showing love in a different way.
They ruin the fantastic beasts by not following a proper timeline. I think the planning was in the start to release one or two movies to test the popularity
Because it tried to tell the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald from the point of view of Newt Scamander. It’s an odd choice. It’s like trying to tell the story of Harry Potter from the eyes of Hagrid or Luna.
It was meant to be odd. Grendelwald could see in the Chillin blood the future. Dumbledore knew that. So he made all his underlings do random confusing things and improvised throughout to plot ro counter Grendelwald future sight. The suitcases were the final improv that worked
2:37 did not expect that
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Can we take a moment to appreciate Aberforth being JUST as prepared to take on Grindelwald as he's about to cast the killing curse on Credence?? He already lost his sister to this dude, he wasn't gonna let him kill his son. I was honestly rooting for Aberforth in this movie to have a duel with Grindelwald. We know from the HP movies, the dude had a nuke of a Patronus. Aberforth may be a bartender with a thing for goats, but you DO NOT mess with his family.
IMO this scene should've been a 2 v 1 Duel, and save the Dumbledore v Grindelwald for the next film. Aberforth needed this scene.
What kinda of patronus does he have that’s so powerful
He is a Dumbledore
Do you think it was THE killing curse or some other killing curse? Since Avada Kedavra is known to be impossible to block by another spell.
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@@charlielay537 Priori Incantatem: If two wands share the same core (like a feather of the same phoenix as is the case with Voldemort's and Harry's) their wielders can't fatally harm one another. However, Dumbledore and Grindelwald didn't shoot the spells at each other and as far as we know, their wands are no twins.
When they put each other's hands on each other's heart one last time, I felt it! Love dies that day
Half expected Doctor Strange to appear and tell them to get out of his mirror dimension.
Not talking about Mom Strange
But Endgame Strange would stomp these two
After Endgame he was nerfed as hell because apparently you can't make a male character strong now
@@therealslimshady6763 Its because of Disney. Every Disney movie or movies managed by Disney are lowkey feminist now. If I can remember in MoM, during Wanda's attack on Kamar-Taj, Wong was incapacitated because his head hit the ground. Shitty writing if you ask me.
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He was never that strong. He was beaten by Thano's goons in Infinity War. He's always been a bit of a glass cannon
@@therealslimshady6763 lmao why y'all like to embarrass yourselves online?
@@HaydenLau. have you seen a dr strang vs thanos fight?
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What a face...
What an amazing actor.
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2:37 I didn't expect this 😂
Yeah I was dying like wtf 🤣
Same thought! LMFAO lol 😂😄🤣😆😆
Gay moment
Caught me so off guard lmao
Same i died laughing 😭😭😭😭
Grinderwald had the best type of magic he managed to change his face 3 times
4 if you include him as a prisoner
What i find impressive in this battle is that even with the elder wand Grindelwald is as desperate as a wounded tiger.
Every barrier he erected against his feelings and fate are being torn down by the very person they were there for.
Now he can't hide from either.
That only cause he’s fighting his only threat in the entire wizard world. if he was fighting Theseus he wouldn’t have to try half as much. Dumbeldore is his only equal and gellert knows that, that’s why he wanted credence to kill dumbeldore. I wish the Harry Potter directors made Harry and Voldemorts duels like this
@@Demonoicgamer666 yeah, Dumbledore and Grindelwald were like arch enemy like TFP Optimus Prime and Megatron. If Grindelwald fight against Theseus and his men, he wouldn’t even need to try at all he would’ve throw couple jixn and they’re done for
Hehehe….. erected….
@@Demonoicgamer666 he wanted Credence to kill albus due to the blood pact, not because he wasn't equally skilled
Even though you might be right, you also forget how quickly Grindelwald overwhelmed Dumbledore. When their wands collided firstly he overwhelmed Dumbledore once, when they collided again he pushed Dumbledore back like in seconds but this time Dumbledore did the same, only much slower. Their fight may have ended in a stalemate but Grindelwald moved alot faster than Dumbledore and overwhelmed him much quicker which indicates that the Elder Wand amplified Grindelwald power. Either way Dumbledore told Harry he won the final by mere skill which might leave alot of room open for Grindelwald being a little stronger in terms of power. We will just have to see how the final battle will go down but I think Grindelwald with the Elder Wand is a little bit stronger than Dumbledore.
An interesting point for magical philosophy. They weren’t able to fight one another. But if one should attempt to protect someone that the other meant to kill the spell is broken. Perhaps the fact that it was dumbeldores own blood being protected that did it. Grindelwald attempted to harm someone of dumbeldors bloodline.
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Loopholes are just messy. Dont like it. Tell Rowling to come back with something better. Thanks. Next! Lol
or maybe Albus’s love for his family broke the pact as love is the most powerful magic
@@김태민-e3v I can see that too!
@@tomasmccauley569 Jacob and Newt are the best characters of these movies. Too bad the focus was taken off them just to push this young Dumbledore storyline forward.
I think Mads fits the role of Grindelwald perfectly. There is chemistry between him and Law that I can't really imagine with JD. Good choice as a replacement.
👍 And Mads Mikkelsen is brilliant at Playing villains
U are saying that because Mads got in with the exciting role in the F.B 3, while Johnny Depp is building the character of Grindelwald in F.B 1&2. If Johnny Depp was in, in this role he would rock it, trust me. If Madz got in with F.B 1&2 do you think he would cast it the way Johnny Depp casted it?
So don’t say that you can’t imagine J.D and Law with the chemistry because after all J.D and Law in the Fantastic Beast 1&2 they never met (Only a flashback) or fight unlike with the F.B 3 where Law and Madz are fighting.
Don't mind me, I didn't watch this movie. If you guys are really certain that Madz is great with the role of Grindelwald than J.D then please see the rate of a movie 1,2&3 of fantastic beast 1&2 have the higher ratings than this stupid shit recent movie.
@@distractdisturb9228 Johnny is a good actor, but Grindelwald isn't like Voldemort. He's a cult of personality, he was trying to convince people by words that muggleborn are their enemy and only relying on violence when it was necessary...even though he was arguably more powerful than Voldemort on sheer skill alone and actually, truly owned the Elder Wand.
It didn't make sense that he looked so eccentric compared to everyone else, even his own followers, and then even to Dumbledore. Voldemort was fucked up and drunk on power, he didn't need to look pretty or make great speeches. He was a psychopathic serial killer cult leader. Grindelwald is not that, and Mads' interpretation of the character is far superior in that respect. The way he talked, how he acted out his plans, it was believable that others could fall into the trap of his oratory skills. This is a man who is trying to convince you that the wider population of the world does not deserve to be treated like human beings and that he should be in charge, he is *literally* wizard Adolf Hitler. Why the fuck would anyone believe someone with that haircut, that mustache, those mannerisms that Depp's character used? He looks like a tool, he acts like a tool, and anyone with a brainstorm will immediately pick this crackhead out as a bad guy. Mads' performance, particularly during the big election scene, was a lot more realistic. He looked controversial but at the same time persuasive.
The fact that you didn't watch the movie, and the fact you're relying on ratings to prove your argument, just show you'd prefer to be asinine. The ratings of FB3 were shit because the story writing was shit. Anytime people talk about this movie, one of the strongest points is going to be Mads' performance. You're writing that as if his replacing Johnny Depp was the sole reason it flopped...and the funny part? You're bringing up the first movie, where Depp had what...two lines and one brief appearance, and Colin Farrell did all the actual heavy lifting?
Johnny's a great actor but his interpretation of the character was beyond stupid, looks, dialogue, all of it. Not once did I believe that anyone could buy what Depp's Grindelwald was selling. That's not his fault, he was just miscasted into a role that should've been used by someone with a more classy posture. Depp's character was someone I would 100% have rather seen in the HP movies as one of Voldemort's followers.
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No, I genuinely think Mads fits the role of this villain very well, has nothing to do with the built up of the character in the previous movies. I think he and JD give a very different villain vibe.
And yes you are right, they have never met, that's why I say I can't IMAGINE them having chemistry, not that they have less chemistry. I'm just pleased that they have found a good replacement that makes the former love affair Dumbledore and Grindelwald had believable, the opening scene was splendid. Good acting on both sides.
Also, you think the good rating of the first two movies was all thanks to JD performance?
Perhaps you should watch the movie before lashing out on other people's opinion?
@@Can_O_Crayola on point.
This scene makes the tears flow. From Credence being defended by both his dad and uncle, to Dumbledore not letting the love that he had for Grindlewald stop him from standing up to him
If this garbage movie made you feel any emotions you might wanna check with your psychiatrist and make sure your not a manic Tumblr pixie
Takes a lot of strength to stand up to someone you love that’s trying to kill you.
Albus Dumbledore once said, "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends."
@@leoroemer6085 he was right
Love does NOT do you ANY HARM?
That is NOT his love? THAT person would NEVER be evil?
Think?
This duel is actually heartbreaking, two lovers fighting for what they believe is right and coming to a cross roads against each other. The music and choreography expresses this perfectly as does th look on Dumbledores face when he knows the most important person to him is actually trying to kill him.
But he couldn’t. The scene in 1:36 shows how Grindelwald really wanted, and due the Elderwand definitely could have, killed him but his feelings for Dumbledore were too strong
Lmao gay bs
@@lukash.8788 Incorrect. Even with the Elder Wand, Gellert is simply the lesser wizard. In the actual final dual between them, that is proven by Dumbledore's victory.
@@ForsakenAngel11 so sad you can't feel shit😂
LOVERS??!!!
Dumbledore is gay?
Love that moment at 0:46 when both dumbledore and Grindelwald see the spell being broke and them both looking at each other knowing they can now harm each other. 😏👀
You mean the condom broke
They desperately have to go back to the kind of spells uses in Dumbledore vs Voldemort. Those spells were interesting, they were strategic, they actually looked like magic. Here it's just swishes of rapidly moving light. Whoever decided it should be like this should never touch another Harry Potter universe movie again.
Not to mention the whole martial arts thing like they're John Wick assassins but with wands instead of pistols.
it's pretty dull.
@@amaybury4672 that makes it more creative tho. Using magic like that instead of the generic way u would expect
@@shadowx8145 No... It actually isn't. Maybe as a quick "gotcha", but magic in Harry Potter is supposed to lean into the whimsical and fantastical. Wands aren't guns or weapons. They are tools. The killing curse, expeliarmus, etc. Are spells that could be used as such. But not every spell needs to be a gun but magic.
@@shadowx8145 I'll take practicality over creativity in a fight scene like this. Getting up close like this is obviously way more dangerous than shooting spells from 10ft away. Besides there are much better ways to be creative that do not include impractical and somewhat cringy chest touching scene.
What makes an Epic movie duel more Epic is the backstory, the context, the feeling, the emotion, the reason for the fight. Anakin vs. Obi Wan, Hector vs. Achilles, Rocky vs. Drago. The epic movements, the good spectacular choreography, the action make it more Epic, but the most important thing is not what you see, it's what makes you feel. Epic dueling is philosophical, poetic, metaphorical, exciting, ,its Art.
couldn't have said it better 👏🏻
This fight is not even close to those you mentioned
What you've described is not what was seen nor felt in this movie for a lot of people
Heck then why make a movie about it. If you cant shoot a epic movie scene, just write a book for fuck sake
Ah yes, comparing the spectacular fight choreography of Anakin vs Obiwan to.... *Pewpew lasers go woooo*
You are saying flowery things to sound pretty because you can't argue objectively.
The fact your best argument is exactly what movies use to blind you of their bad writings, Manipulating your feelings with pretty visuals and music etc... Is the proof you bit the bait.
Wow, didn’t expect Dumbledore too use the mirror dimension.
actually he didn't the blood pact did so i would prefer to say blood pact dimension
@@redregg5333bruh, isn't this where Dumbledore learnt about Priori Incantatem and his wand was secretly a brother wand with the elder wand?
that's why Dumbledore would know about how Harry and Voldemort had the Priori Incantatem at the graveyard?
I mean, WHO THE FUCK would know about Priori Incantatem at the first place?
You know I wish I could watch this scene for the first time again. I enjoyed but didn’t love the entire movie (I still thought it was good overall) but this scene was amazing. The music, the suspense and the action sequence was very cool and exactly what I wanted as a HP fan. I hope they do another film and we get to see the famous great duel between them.
I know people have their theories on how the duel turned out and I agree with those who believe Grindlewald wasn’t fully committed and the elder wand realised this. However I also like to think that Dumbledore was holding back during the first half of the duel, sending non killing curses and whatnot and when Grindlewald was winning the spell link, Dumbledore realised he had to commit to beating Grindlewald and thus stepped it up, whilst still remaining true to his believe in good and obviously not killing Grindlewald. I feel you can see this when Dumbledore looks at the spell and then at Grindlewald like “you’re winning this and even though I don’t want to hurt you, I have to stop you” and then extends his arm pushing the spell back. You can also see in his eyes how upset he is at having to do this and credit has to go to them both for great acting.
I also want to say, I’m REALLY proud that the film wanted to introduce a gay relationship without shoving it down our throats. I thought the balance was perfect and the bit at the end with them having their hands on each other’s chests was actually very lovely and emotional.
Grindelwald uses the killing curse on dumbledore far too many times in the duel
@@akulmahajan1485 Yeah every time Grindelwald use the killing curse, Dumbledore was like “ get your wand out of my face “ lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not only "chests". The left side of each other's chests. Where the heart is. Their hearts.
I found this really sweet. Between all the bitterness and anger and wrath and crazyness and violence. Their hearts.
Uhhhhh what? They very clearly shoved their gay relationship in our faces - my wife and I had to turn it off by the 45th minute mark because there was already 8 or more scenes where they wanted to show how gay they were and did absolutely nothing for the plot. It SUCKED.
I absolutely agree about Dumbledore not committing fully until the beam struggle (well fully in terms of not wanting to kill him but committing to stopping him) but I would argue that Grindelwald was going all out the whole time (or at the very least he thought he was).
In my opinion Dumbledore seemed to have the upper hand the entire time despite not being the aggressor.
For example, if you saw a professional boxer always rushing forward throwing everything at his opponent trying to destroy him but his opponent just dodges and weaves and occasionally jabs back... who looks better?
I like the Grindelvald’s beam is so thin and controlled compared to other dark wizards who’s killing curses look way more wild
I am unhappy with how David Yates handles wizard duels. He has directed every wizarding film from Order of the Phoenix to The Secrets of Dumbledore and, on the topic of dueling, I feel his contributions are not great.
Underage wizards cast nonverbal spells without difficulty, and the effect is weak: a wisp of colorless magical energy that blasts a person backwards. Nearly every spell cast by a Hogwarts student or a member of the Order of the Phoenix looks and performs this way.
However, my largest grievance with Mr. Yates here is the "spell beam battle" that takes place in so many wizard duels. In the Goblet of Fire novel this is described as occurring between Harry and Voldemort's spells due to their shared connection and their wands being brothers, essentially... an effect of Priori Incantatum. However, this same effect occurs between Dumbledore and Voldemort in OotP, between Arthur Weasley and a Death Eater in Deathly Hallows: Part 2, between Harry and Voldemort in Deathly Hallows: Part 2, between Tina and Graves/Grindelwald in Fantastic Beasts, and Dumbledore and Grindelwald in this film. I don't think it's very evocative.
Easily the best duel in the films would be between Dumbledore and Voldemort in The Order of the Phoenix, which possessed more variety and nuance than all of the others. And, interestingly, when that film was released I thought then that the duel could have been done better.
I agree with the whole thing with most battles only being magic beams, the main thing I have a problem with is that most wizards act like teleporting is the only way to move, none of them rely on actually being able to dodge, run or even physically overpower their opponent. I’m glad they at least somewhat fixed this issue in this fight with them both actually fighting without their wands
Might as well make them use WandGuns huh? thats what every spell looks like. I think its Rowlin's fault also.
She's got tons of things at her disposal to make epic battles...Transfiguration, Charms, Jinxs, Hexes, Curses. On top of that, we got a whole universe of magical beasts from which to derive other spells.
Where are the body-taijutsu specialists, the summoners, the demonic forces, the angelic, the druids, the fairy or pixie folk magic, gnomes and goblins, the metamorphosis nuts, the speedsters, the teleporters, the void users, the foresight fools, ...
Imagine a wizard fight where they use gravity amulets, binding arcana cards, growth elixirs, luck horseshoe, stardust, fortress trap runes...
Dr. Strange's boring movies where he got a house full of crazy @#%@#$ and never uses any. Meh
Stop using wands. Wands for nubs. Where the staffs, orbs, grimoires, puppets...
I completely agree with you.
Order of the phoenix literally has the best duel we've had so far between dumbledore and voldemort
@@yousofzaid872 still doesn't compare with the book version
I feel really sorry for their love actually. Their hearts still respond to each other.
Yeees ahhh so heartbreaking
In the final and legendary battle between Albus and Grindelwald not only the enormous power of both wizards must be shown. The disappointment and pain of each fighting the other must also be shown. Gellert vs. Albus for power and Albus vs. Gellert for dignity. And of course the pain that it produces for the love and friendship that they once shared.
Just imagine if Grindelwald get a wand again and fight Voldemort. Taking revenge for Dumbledore and helping Harry with old, painful feelings. It's impossible yes but so magical at the same time.
One small detail I kinda like is how during the spell-lock, Grindlewald was clearly massively overpowering Dumbledore and could of beaten him right there- but you can see on his face a clear shift to regret and sadness, and then the spell turns against him. He's clearly a dangerous murderous man who values his future OVER Dumbledore, but it's also clear he still has a hope and love for him.
Feeds into the HP lore why putting your intention behind it is important, this is the reason also why when Harry was dead he completely resisted Voldemort's cruxio curse, because Voldemort already believed he was dead, Voldemort thought he was performing the curse on an already dead body, so it wouldnt have reacted to pain anyways
@@ashm4938 that wasn't case at all. Voldemort's curse was not working because Harry still had Lily's protection. Voldemort thought that by taking Harry's blood protection will be dismissed, instead Voldemort got incorporated into that protection. By taking Harry's blood Voldemort was able to touch harry but he would not be able to cause him any harm. In the similar way Harry would not be able to cause any Harm to Voldemort. They both were tethered to each other for life and prophecy was overturned into "both have to live" Instead of "only one can live". If Voldemort didn't have elder wand, he wouldn't be dead, and he would never been able to kill Harry anyways, unless he asked his death eaters to perform that task, which would have been huge blow to his image as so called dark Lord, who was unable to kill teenage boy.
This isn’t made cannon in the books but I do like your theory.
Dumbledore kept dodging the killing curse he's fast
I believe this is what contributed to Grindelwald’s defeat. He was more unwilling to kill Dumbledore. The same wasn’t true for Dumbledore who was set on taking Grindelwald down. As lethal and effective as Grindelwald is, Dumbledore was far more methodical. The elder wand most definitely reacted to and sensed this weakness.
Cannon mistake in the first 41 seconds. There’s no blocking a killing curse with actual magic. Hence why dumbledore didn’t use “protego” during his duel with voldemort
I think it worked here because Dumbledore cast it while the blood oath was still in play and it was intercepted
@@L33tSkE3t another idea is that the wands share a core which in my opinion is a plausible theory.
Harry intercepted individual Killing Curses in Deathly Hallows (novel) with individual Stunning Spells.
@@kylevidad4427 thats because his wand and voldemorts wand shared cores.
Dumbledore did it in Order of the Phoenix (book) to protect Harry from Voldemorts's curse..
I find this scene epic and beautiful every time I watch it! Absolutely love it. Jude Law is perfect as Dumbledore, as is Mads Mikkelson as Grindelwald. Perfect chemistry!
Whit all respect to Mads MIkkelson is a great actor but Johnny would be so much better in this fight
For what it’s worth, this fight looked pretty cool. It definitely appeared like they wanted to incorporate a pseudo fist fight/gun fu here but for wands.
Movie wasn't great, but this part still hit me with the feels.
2:26
If you listen carefully enough it sounds like "Please, don't go, please". Even though I know that it's probably Latin, I still think that it's beautiful coincidence
It is meant to say 'who will love you now, Dumbledore', but since it is in another language, I do get what you mean
@@atadbitahistory9660 no, no, I mean music. The words sound like this. I know meaning of phrase Gellert said
I think so too, 'cause if we watch carefully, as Dumbledore is about to go away, Gellert comes foward, like he wants to stop Dumbledore from going away.
You know, a lot of people are confused about how the Avada Kadavra spell was able to break the Love Bond Grindelwald and Dumbledore had, myself included. But as of late, I was kinda thinking about it, and I came to a kind of weird headcanon that helps me digest it a bit better. I think about how in Deathly Hallows Pt. 2, Voldemort used it on Harry and how it didn’t kill Harry. Yes, Harry basically had possession of all the Deathly Hallows at that moment and yes, what the AK spell ended up striking was the Horcrux WITHIN Harry, thus not killing Harry, himself. But think about what it takes to destroy a Horcrux. It takes mythical items or the body parts of powerful magical creatures to destroy. But apparently, an Avada Kadavra can destroy it as well. So it makes me wonder if the actual function of the AK spell is a bit more complex than just “killing” whatever it targets. I wonder if the more appropriate description is that it “brings and end” to whatever it targets. It “brings an end” to anything living that it strikes. It “brings an end” to powerful magical items like the Horcruxes. And here, it brought an end to the magical covenant Dumbledore and Grindelwald shared. I feel that understanding of the spell applies best to every use of it we’ve seen throughout every series.
I really like this headcanon. I have one of my own.
It is repeatedly said that you need to truly "mean" a curse for it to work. When Dumbledore said "He sought to kill, I sought to protect," it very much made sense to me. Grindelwald fully intended to kill Credence, Dumbledore fully intended to protect him. He clearly blames himself for Ariana's death and loves Aberforth. He would not see his brother suffer again by having his son taken away from him. This could be a similar kind of love protection that led to Voldemort being unable to harm Harry after Lily's death. Two such opposing forces collided, creating magic powerful enough to break the bond.
Avada Kedavra roughly means "let it be destroyed", so it's not far off from your theory at all, good job
Avadakedavra doesn't break the spell. It's fully confirmed that the only way for the blood bond to break is for both of them to clash spells that have no intent to harm of each other. Which would be considered impossible because in the context of them being lovers, they could never harm each other if they were angry at one another, and they would never fire spells at the other on a whim.
Meaning the spell could only be broken when they truly had different goals and objectives. Dumbledores spell was to protect credence, and Grindlewalds was to kill Credence.
It's called terrible writing to the point where not even the writer knows what is happening in their own fiction. Consume something else, please for the love of God. You wrote paragraphs and paragraphs of shit nobody cares about
Still a better love story than Twilight
"still"!!!! FAR BETTER than Twilight.
Like that was difficult
@Seldom Forever It's a meme :)
JFC its 2022
Only because we didn't get Lizzie and Jacob romance 😔
I like how Grindelwald doesn't even have to SAY the words to use Avada Kedavra. That solidifies my opinion that while Voldemort was certainly more famous (or infamous) Grindelwald was considerably more powerful
Voldemort was even more powerful than Dumbledore. Just hasty. Fought him at the end of the order of phoenix while Dumbledore had the elder wand. Rowling and Dumbledore have themselves said, Voldemort was probably the most powerful wizard in history. Just a little too impulsive and power hungry. Also, you can’t perform Avada Kedavra without saying the spell. It’s not a non verbal spell, at least in the books.
In the books that may be true..not sure. Anyhow, I’m the movie he actually does perform Aveda kadabra without the words during the last duel at the castle multiple times.
@@sagrophobiaVoldemort is sort of implied to wordlessly kill all the goblins after the Potter gang escape Gringotts.
@@sagrophobiaDumbledore was already on death row at that time, old and weak...
@@sagrophobiaAlso Dumbledore was not using any killing spell against him ...he was just trying to protect Harry and hold Voldemort till ministry arrive to confirm revival of Voldemort...In book, Dumbledore was basically toying with him..Even Voldemort admitted that by saying " I see, you are not using killing spell against me"
So sad the franchise got cancel before we get the chance to see the epic final duel between the 2, seeing Dumbledore win the Elder Wand and as it has been described it is the most powerful duel that the world has witnessed
You are right we didn't get chance to see that duel, huhhh idk why people didn't liked it as I think it was a amazing series and there was no hate point at all in whole series
it was canceled?@@redregg5333
@@redregg5333I think it was because compared to Harry Potter, Fantastic Beasts holds a lot more depth and needs more time to understand and soak into the story. I kinda understand why many people dont like it, but you cannot deny, it is an amazing prequel.
Dumbledore was always this mysterious character to me, this series is the answer to how he became so powerful, Im so sad it got canceled.
Grindelwald already has the elder wand here and yet Dumbledore still put up a pretty good fight against him. A heartbreaking duel between past lovers
Showing how powerful Dumbledore truly was during Harry's time
@@AlexMason-45 Voldemort commanded thousand of glass pieces towards Potter, then Dumbledore turned glass back into sand.
Voldemort ran away immediately after that moment, since Dumbledore literally reversed time in front of him.
In novel, the fight was quite different, I remember Dumbledore using statues of department to tank an Avada.
The way that avada kedavra blew from grindelwald’s wand was so satisfying.
even without elderwand Dumbledore was powerful. no wonder hes the greatest
You may not like it Mr. Dumbledore, but you can't deny. Grindelwald's got style.
This scene never fails to make me emotional. The entire duel is a metaphor for the tragedy of their relationship. Their spells (attacks and betrayal on one another) damaging the environment (their battlespace a kind of neglected paradise/safe space between them) is a nice touch. When the orb of their colliding spells sends out that shockwave further disintegrating that safe space between them it reminds me of the emotional trauma of the moment of heartbreak, the moment when you finally accept in your core it can NEVER be no matter what you do.
2:37 That caught me off guard 😂
this fight choreography is brilliant - i don't care what anyone else says.
it speaks so much about how not only how equally they're matched, but also how similar their fighting styles are: They both use Apparition defensively (something we've never seen any other wizards do because Apparating is not an easy feat at all), they can predict what the other is going to do and turn just as they reappear, both Albus and Gellert physically dodge spells in addition to using Protego shields, and lastly, the two of them come about arm's length to each other (another thing we've never seen any other wizards do, simply because it's so dangerous.) this battle is so unique in its own right, especially with how their hands end up on each other's hearts in the end.
the magic here looks epic; the two of them are so powerful yet their dynamic has been so chaotic that not only is their magic causing the surrounding structure to break but also levitate around them. yes, it's in "blood troth realm" but the magic causing all destruction is Albus and Gellert's, and the destruction is to symbolic tot he breaking of the blood troth and the breaking of their hearts.
it's a wonderful scene. i wish it had been longer, even though it's perfectly understandable why it's so short. I'd gladly watch a movie based on Albus Dumbledore's journey alone, with the FB characters making cameos. i want to see Dumbledore and Grindelwald's legendary battle of '45 and I really love both their characters so much.
Heck you could replace their wands with laser guns and it won't even make a difference. Two most powerful wizards. Laaaaaaaaaame
Sorry but this duel is dull despite of it supposedly being the two most powerful wizards. It’s not that creative, just average spells flying at each other and the typical “spells meeting each other” like a laser tug of war. All the CGI effects nowadays take away from realism. And it’s all happening in some weird dream like dimension. They did it earlier with credence too. It just makes it more like a fantasy. Spells seem more real when they react to a REAL environment. Then they get so close to each other that it seems like it’s going to evolve into a physical brawl. But I guess they needed them to get close enough so they can touch hearts so we can get a ‘emotional’ teary moment. The Producers here were lazy. Dumbledore vs Voldemort scene is day and night in comparison.
@@meghanachauhan9380 i dont understand this wasnt even a duel they werent evn trying to kill each other, the real duel is still left, u jst want every fight to be like dumbledore vs voldermort.
@@unapologeticpatriot6504Are you talking about realism in movie about magic?
Come on man, the scene is underwhelming but because of the writing not because of cgi.
Many environments in movies are cgi but looks real.
While there was not as many powerful and creative spells, this was definitely the most physical Harry Potter duel.
I find it telling (although there are many who think otherwise) that it's Grendelwald that caresses Dumbledore. He's the one in this duel who broke, letting his emotions shows. Dumbledore seeing this, stopped the duel. It's a duel that ended in a forfeit, on both their parts. I've read way too many comments and postulations saying that Grendelwald never truly loved Dumbledore in the first place, that he was just using him for his mind. I think, in this duel, Dumbledore broke something in Grendelwald right here. Something that Gellert didn't even contemplate to be possible, Dumbledore never truly loved him the way he did. Dumbledore, while gay, was only in a true "Bostonian Marriage." A relationship of convenience that Dumbledore felt was enough to quench his, then, latent homosexuality. It wasn't until long after the final duel that Dumbledore realized that what he had with Gellet was much more and therefore much more dangerous then he ever really understood.
I totally disagree. Both Dumbledore and Grindelwald have always been aware of the depth of the feelings they had for each other. The way Dumbledore speaks about their relationship in front of Newt and Theseus ("What posessed you to do such a thing? "Love"(smile+ tender, dramma look)/ "the summer Gellert and I fell in love"), the way he escapes not only from a direct confrontation with Grindelwald but even from his own feelings (see Mirror of Erised scene in CoG), the existence of the blood troth itself...as well as what we know from Rowling's, Law's and Mikkelsen's declarations, clearly prove the two were fully aware of the power of their mutual feelings and of the implications of the latter. Because, besides love, there are also a deep sense of guilt for Dumbledore (who loved a criminal and Muggle-hater, who had diserted him when his sister died) and a feeling of bitterness and disappointment for Grindelwald (who loved someone who had turned his back to the plans they had made together and, indirectly, to him). But these "by- feelings" would not be there without a deep consciousness of their bond. Such consciousness was already there in their youth (which is, by the way, why Dumbledore has been heart-broken since they parted as teenagers) and it was what pushed them to create the blood troth. And it is clear that, at least until the duel, Dumbledore have always been the more fragile of the two, the one who more openly admitted his feelings, the one who "wore his heart on his sleeve" (beautiful how they metaphorically expressed it by having him keep the blood troth on his wrist). I would say, for Dumbledore, the ultimate proof of his ever-going love for Grindelwald is the image he sees reflected in the Mirror of Erased, while for Grindelwald, before their confrontation in Buthan, there was never a "moment of truth", he always knew he loved Dumbledore, but probably until the duel he had never realized how much he needed him and feared to loose his love, which is why he was the one more shocked and upset by it.
The look of utter heartbreak on both their faces proves your point. No way were these two not in love, and are still. Brilliant performances.
No the movie and books make it very clear Dumbledore's love was genuine and not of convenience.
1:27 dumbledore: dam he’s really trying to kill me I guess I have to fight for real now.
I would've liked a scene where Grindelwald claims that because they rejected him as his leader the muggles would have the chance to destroy the world through WW2 just as he predicted in fantastic beasts 2 when he said it would happen if wizards didn't rise up and take their place. perhaps he might cause the world himself to proof himself right and gain even more followers
Lost my shit when I watched this in theaters.. Was expecting the fight to be A LITTLE bit more longer but I guess it'll do. We'll see more of their epic battle in the upcoming movies. This fight alone moved me, especially the part where they held each others hearts, it really marked the end of their relationship. It was kinda obvious that they couldn't fight each other because of their feelings.
Still confused how the blood pact broke tho? I know Dumbledore said something along the line "he sought to kill, I sought to protect" but how exactly did it break?
This wasn't the end of their relationship though. That final fight takes place years later and should be much more epic than this. Remember, dumbledore defeats Grindelwald and takes the elder wand.
Also, in regards to the blood pact breaking, i hear that it breaks when your blood partner attacks someone you're trying to protect. Not sure if this is true tho.
The pact broke because Dumbledore didn't cast a spell against Grindelwald directly, he cast it to protect Credence. Because he didn't cast directly against Grindelwald, he didn't move against him but rather the spells met.
Their Blood Pact broke because they took irreconcilably and directly opposing actions: attempting to kill Credence and attempting to save him from the other's spell. There is a parting of the ways here, where the two acknowledge each other as enemies, and thus the Blood Pact binding them as allies is shattered by their mutual consent to fight, against its purpose. I believe that the important part is that they both agree to the enmity by clashing spells, instead of one of them attacking the other without the other wishing to attack back. The mutuality, not the indirectness, is critical here.
Grindelwald with the Elder Wand, still beaten by Dumbledore. Dumbledore is something.
I wouldn’t say Grindlwald lost in this battle, more like a stalemate
@@conn_man_249 No but in the timeline as a whole dumbledore did defeat Grindewald and win the elderwand from him
Even though he doesn't have the Elder wand, Dumbledore still holds his own in a duel
I mean it was pretty much implied that he beat Grindelwald and gained the Elder Wand when he beat him. So he beats him with his wand against Grindelwald who had the Elder Wand.
Dumbeldore is the strongest. After he gained his Elder Wand he was pretty much unbeatable.
Only because Grindelwald is holding back😂 at the start when both there wands connect, you can see Grindelwald massively overpowering him, if you then look at his facial expressions they change to a sadness/regretful, as soon as that expression changes the spell force bounces back towards Grindelwald.
It makes sense that he's stronger, because when Voldermort went to visit Grindelwald he refused to tell him anything.
@@AstroSully no not really. When dumbledore got the elder wand, yes... He was the strongest out of the two, but Grindelwald is way stronger with the wand.
@@reposter6434 Erh no. The Elder wand switched allegiance to Grindelwald for a reason. Dumbeldore was the superior wizard regardless of the wand.
I too was disappointed that a part 4 isn’t currently in the works. Eventually we will get the real duel. But it’s likely to be years. Maybe even a decade. Fantastic beasts has been a huge letdown and people are burned out by a series that doesn’t remotely live up to Harry Potter standards. The pandemic didn’t help. People didn’t want to go to the theater and turned to piracy which cost the studio hundreds of millions. The Johnny depp trial didn’t help. But fans still want to see this duel. I do. Eventually we’ll get the duel but expect it to be 2030 something. We really don’t need two more movies, but this duel is the one piece of HP folklore that’s still missing (well, there’s a lot they can still do, Cursed Child, movies about the House founders, etc, but I don’t think what they’ll make justifies the budget, maybe a TV series eventually?) and with better directing and a good trailer, advertising the true end of the Harry Potter universe, they can get people out to theaters one more time, and we can put a period on the series with part 4 ending with the greatest duel of all time and the imprisonment of Grindelwald. It’s not uncommon to put a series on the back burner for a decade, let everybody cool off, and let the creative juices get going again before coming back better than before.
😍😍🥰
There really is an immense amount of chemistry between these two.
they’re so much alike 😍😍😍
hella gay🤮🤮🤮🤮
Fue muy emocionante y emotiva, la vi 4 veces en el cine, Mads y Jude son increíbles.
That's some serious breakup.
I wish JK would write an actual book based on these events. Would love to read the conclusion.
Kind of not liking how magic battles these days are pretty much a pushing contest.
I mean look at when Albus fought Voldemort. That was incredible. Elemental manipulation, summonings, transmutations.
Voldemort literally breathed a fire serpent into existence and Albus locked him inside of a water prison!
Yeah that was creative typ of magics who all also looked cool, then suddenly its just beams...
The one with Harry vs Voldemort is obvious because of the shared Wand origins as stated in the Books. But all the other? Visual Impressive yeah, but kinda iffy.
@@HandsomeGamerGuy si pero eso solo fue en la primera pelea entre Harry y Voldemort, despues voldemort cambia la varita y Harry tambien y siguen peleando igual
@@guadalupecisternatorres8775 That is true. That's why i stated the part about them sharing a Wand of the same Origin.
I like how they have come up with a technique to fight the unforgivable Avada Kedavra curse. Apparate out of its way or deflect the hand casting it. And I like that. Kind of shows how Dumbledore has survived all these years and why he is a force to reckon with. Also, where I can find a Qilin baby for me?
First you need a plane ticket for China, then you tell me.
The Avada Kedavra curse weakness was it could always be blocked by something even an inanimate object. People in the movies getting killed by it were not either expecting it, lack of experience or their mind was not quick and sharp enough to know it and defend against it. A sharp mind can do great things.
00:55 this 10 sec camera sequence is one of my faves
The Visual Effects in this film is really superb. hats off to all Visual effects team
2.26 when Gellert moves closer just before Dumbledore turns away. I think he was going for a kiss/embrace. That was the second it ended hence him lashing out with words.
These prequel films do not deserve the hate. AT ALL. They're all freaking awesome and true to the HP movies, and I really hope the fourth one will be announced soon.
I love these movies tbh
Fourth installment cancel
They got rid of Johnny Depp after false accusations.
They deserve every ounce of hate and every bit of it can be blamed on the witch
@@faizanAli-ku4hn no
My problem with them is that Newt Scamander is the main character. IMO it should be about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and also return to the more mature energy that most of the HP movies had as opposed to being obviously targeted at a child audience.
What i found quite amusing was how quickly all the people switched sides
Like one second they were all like "Yeah grindelwald lets shoot green in the sky" and the next "oh she is better sorry"
They actually honored the voting system and rejected a cheater who tried to rig the election. It is sad that this seems like fantasy to some.
thank god to Mads, he did a perfect role.
He has no bloody charisma. The only Grindelwald vibe emanating from him is that he and Law have good chemistry and they could really be lovers, and that's it. As for the rest, Johnny Depp was much far more convincing.
@@WestLegend03 .... like a clown bird covered in make up and stuff. Mads are a superior actor, showing the subtle pain and the darkness without histronisims.
@@WestLegend03
this is the d^mbest sh^t i read in a decade
and trust me i read a tons of d^mb af sh^t online
lmao
@@WestLegend03I found Depp too eccentric for Grindelwald
@@WestLegend03 Grindewald is not supposed to have charisma and basically be an JS version of HP lmao
I actually enjoyed this fast paced fight scene. They basically drew battle lines in the sand to let the other know they’re not going to hold back.
Fantastic Beasts 5 will have the actual duel that Grindelwald and Dumbledore were known for. Now… I hope 4 is good because rn idk how they can stretch the story further in between 3 and 5
While I did like this movie and this fight, I still prefer Johnny Depp as Grindelwald rather than Mads Mikkelsen
I feel left out with everyone talking about the movie. Im only here because Mads is sexy af.
Gotta love when the fight scene establishes the 180 rule and then quite literally IMMEDIATELY breaks it
Dumbledore was able to hold his own against the Elder Wand! He most definitely earned the right to wield it decades later!
1:39
That Shockwave is Epic !!!!
...I'm quite happy to side eye Dumbledore's actions within the HP canon narrative (and the fanon ones too) but goodness I'm feeling for him here (and this movie in particular). The stalemate with the hand on chest. And the complicated feels between these two (yes even Grindelwald in his warpedness). Gaaaah. Clutches at own chest.
Damn, the gay tension in 2:00 got me.
1:15 - 1:17 The way this scene is framed, it almost looks like Dumbledore is the one who disappears after the first spell is cast. Weird cut imo.
There fight was full of love and betrayal.
This fight was amazing, only last for 30 seconds if that but it’s gotten me hyped for their legendary duel, if they can do that in under a minute what could they do in a 10 minute duel, this duel blows Harry and voldemorts fight out of the water, it was too good, and the music was beautifully done.
Well of course it does Harry and Voldemort was literally a fight between a weakened Dark Wizard and a Teenage Boy who only had 7 years of magical training vs 2 incredibly powerful wizards who have decades of experience
This fight was nothing compared to Voldemort and dumbledore. The fight between grindelwald and dumbledore was supposed to be epic. This movie was a waste of time.
I love Mads. But imagine if Johnny Depp was still Grindelwald, he looked more badass and dangerous. In the books Grindelwald was very powerful at his prime, and nearly conqured Europe. Voldemort fought against a school. Even when Grindelwald was old and frail, he laughed in Voldemorts face refusing to reveal the location of the Elder Wand ”Kill me then Voldemort! I welcome death, you will never win” laughing as Voldemort kills him in utter frustration. Grindelwald was a more cool Dark Lord than Voldemort. Imo
I like the fact that they "broke up" with this fight on the space they made by the blood pact.
The lore between D. and G. is perfect, even with Mads Mikkelsen.
They've could do something great with the end of the Franchise : meet with Jedusor, Hagrid (and Aragog)... too bad it's over now...
LMFAO I did not realize it was in a different language up until they speak at 2:39 and was so into the scene and wanted to hear him say "who will love you now" and fucking lost it when he started talking.
Dumbledore realized mid fight during the clash the of their two spells that Grindlewald really wanted to kill him, which surprised him because of their past. From then on, Dumbledore didn't hold back.
No, it’s actually the opposite… he saw that Grindelwald could beat him, but he stopped at the very last moment, which is when Dumbledore looked at him and realised now was his chance to try and disarm him. Also the spell was red not green so it wasn’t the killing curse
@@AlwaysRightAllNight I disagree, but, to each his own opinions.
Who will love you now, dumbledore?
this movie was epic to me, honestly. Jude Law as Dumbledore and Mads Mikkelsen as Grindewald was just another level, they born to this
You shouldn't take away the fact that Grindewald is Johnny Depp and always will be Johnny Depp
@@WxB2001 No. JD Grindewald as basically an HP Jack Sparrow. Grindewald is a serious character with serious motivation and goal and Mads is perfect for him.
@@WxB2001 No, i'd say Mads Mikkelsen is suited for the role better than Johnny Depp
,Johnny depp is better, mad does this good but not so good as johnny .
I thought Colin Ferrel did an amazing job in the first movie. It’s a shame such good actors were wasted on such a horrible movie full of plot holes and garbage writing.
Best scene of the entire movie.
I'm sad that Johnny got replaced. But the replacement is also great IMO.
What a romantic fight🙄 I was hoping for something that would rival dumbledore v voldemort duel
I would’ve loved to see depp do this. His wand movements were incredible I think it would’ve looked beautiful
Same, Mads was great, but I still prefer Depp and would have loved to seen him in this one.
Depp will surely be in the next one as he's won the Amber Heard case and all the drama has finished. If Depp gets asked I hope he chooses to come back.
@@WxB2001 yeah thats not gona happen, the series is already looking pretty dead at this point, if another movie gets greenlit they aren't going to take a chance with depp.
Depp was a great Grinderwald wish they would have kept him.
I hope everyone realizes that casting magic without word incantation is not something so easily done. It goes to show how above most wizards these two are. So cool! o_o;
that shit happens constantly in harry potter and fantastic beasts, wordless magic is a dime a dozen in this universe now, the "magic" from the first like 4 movies of harry potter are pretty much gone
@@OccupiedMuffins Yeah I know its really sad cause wordless magic is actually, in lore really hard to master. But they made it look like its easy. I guess its artistic direction that 'hollywood' took. Bah. Cause everyone and their mother can do wordless magic.
@@OccupiedMuffins thats only in the movies, pretty much none of the magic that the trio performs is non verbal (and they were all above average)
@@Ilposeidonll well we are talking about albus and geralt here 2 extremely powerful magicians in their prime and they are still learning so wordless magic should be easy for them.
@@Mcherri True that true that. But I deep dived into the lore a bit and into Hoggywarts Legacy and found out wordless magic is very hard to do.
Then Hollywood allowed all wizards to do it which is a shame. But yeah they are extremely powerful and in their prime, its really scary to think how powerful those two were.
I was basically Plankton in that Fry Cook Games episode when they stopped fighting.
"Get back here and kill each other!"
I understand
This fight scene better than every harry potter fight scene tbh 🫣
I like they didn’t just point wands to each other like voldemort vs harry. You could feel the impact of the spells when they waved their wands with such force.
I am exited to see their epic final battle where Dumbledore defeats Grindelwald and gets the elder wand in future Fantastic Beasts movies
“We still have the same Heart beat” 😔
Really shows how powerful Dumbledore is. He is fighting a dark lord that has the elder wand in hand. And just completely overpowers him. The strongest wand in existence in the hands of a powerful dark lord, and Dumbledore easily pushes him back. This isnt movie Dumbledore, this is book dumbledore.
Ah, yes, a two old married couple fighting and loveing each other at the same time😊
Its actually kinda crazy how easy dumbledore overpowers grindelwald even tho he is using the elder wand.
Don't think anyone overpowered the other. Their love kept them from going all out.
IF we get the next 2 movies, it'll be interesting to see albus' position in the battle, in the book it says he realised he'd been hesitant too long and had to act against Grindelwald,
With that blood pact being severed that could be a key point in the movie, I'd like to see how that's played out with Albus no longer having the pact stopping him and having no choice but to face the one he loves in a duel,
Its be heavy emotionally
The fact that grindelw. has the elder wand and still dumbledore is able to fight against him is just 💀💀💀🔥🔥🔥
The most personal duel ever.. time slowed sending showwaves. Not one will have the ability to get between them
0:33 my favourite moment
Aberforth ready to save his son. I found it very touching and heart-warming, like: "Did you ever think of me?" "Always."
I like Aberforth was given some space; he lived mostly under the shadow of Albus; for a time, let's give him a relevant part in the history!
I hope to see Aurelius in the fourth movie, even for a brief moment, the last moments of his life, with his father by his side.