gamer1884 I kept thinking: Dumbledore defeated this man in duel, how on earth could Fudge actually think that two Aurors, Umbridge and himself could EVER stand a chance against Dumbledore?! Cornelius Fudge is quite possibly the dumbest Minister of Magic in the history of the Ministry!
StichLooWeen Did you notice that he kept waving his arm in a semi-circular fashion and turning his wrist clockwise and anti-clockwise? I've come to believe that he didn't actually created several shields, but one very strong shield charm that he kept feeding, possibly Protego Maxima (or Totalum - given that the shield walk with him)
+alonelychild Not only did Dumbledorebest him in a duel, Dumbledore bested him in a duel when he had the elder wand. Here he doesn't even have the elder wand.
Julian Smit now that you mention it, I'm interested in seeing Aberforth. He's described as a very powerful duelist with an aggressive style and it would be cool seeing the other Dumbledore in action.
Yeah unfortunanetly the next film takes place in like 1928 or 1929, and the duel is in 1945. Unless there's a huge time jump, it'll be in movie 5, which is going to be in like 2024. I HOPE that the series is pure Dumbledore+Newt+Grindelwald and features the flashbacks mentioned above, and more backstory.
I can’t but their duel is 3 hours long so Rowling is going to have to do some jump cuts during it so we can it pan out. Hopefully it’s over 5 minutes though.
I still cannot fathom how Fudge could have been so foolish to think that he, Dolores Umbridge, Shakelbolt and Dawlish stood a chance against the man who defeated Grindelwald in duel ... watching this scene it's plainly clear that Dumbledore could have, if he so desired, taken on the entire Auror Office of the British Ministry for Magic.
Well yes but actually no, i think that the one thing rita was right about dumbledore is that there was no duel in the end. even tho i think that dumbledore could have done that, it's not due to his win against grindelwald
Even if I prefere Grindelwald over Voldemort, we have to consider the fact that when Voldemort says that line, he was in front of Dumbledore...even for Voldemort was impossible to fight Albus + Aurors alone
Colin Farrell killed it in this movie. He was a brilliant choice for Graves and honestly should have been kept alive to return in future sequels, as Graves was a powerful auror enough that his displays of magic seen by the ministry, including wandless magic, drew no significant suspicion to him up until this point.
THIS. So very much this. One thing that gives me hope that we'll see Graves again; the fact that in 'GoF', they needed to keep Moody alive to use Polyjuice to keep impersonating him...
well I suppose difference in cultures and the times could say something for it, I mean I imagine moving to the new world they wouldn't have necessarily been confined to the same rigid ways. (By that I mean that I imagine the only reason that wizards don't wear more modern clothing is that their superior powers(magical), give them a certain sense of self superiority which make themselves too arrogant to potentially improve their own society using muggle aspects in England. Potentially this is something that to a certain aspect they have decided that the US don't need, at least not in terms of borrowing aspects of No mag society in order to improve their own.)
@@MegaMerlin5 US magical society was even more Insular than the European ones . No majs and magical people were not even allowed to marry , so it's not a case of them being more open
@@hannahdyson5603 i agree, the American magical community would have made a point of guarding themselves with anonymity and would wear clothing fashionable to their time just to guarantee that they wouldn't stand out.
I like how the president is terrifyingly realising that this man is not Graves. Hopefully Farrell will return in the sequals as the real Graves. It would be a waste of talent if does not return.
That makes no sense. In Deathly Hallows, it was established that no one knows what the wand looks like. So, Grindelwald should have easily been able to pass the wand off.
StarKiller 56 the Americans have wand registration thingy as mentioned in the movie since ehe was impersonating Graves he would have to use Graves wand or else his cover would be easily blown. Plus in the movie u see he isn't using the elder wand.
true but tina still disarmed him right? that should make her the new master of the elder wand unless as I personally suspect he hadn't actually retrieved at this point in the story which if you think about it makes him all the more frightening although that does kind of screw up my theory of how grindlewald was defeated by Dumbledore in 1945
Dumbledore and Grindelwald are very like Professor X and Magneto, one seeks peaceful coexistence with the Muggles while the other sees wizards as the "superior species" who should rule the world. I'm looking forward to seeing Grindelwald's epic breakout scene the very next movie (hopefully it's even better than Magneto's breakout scene XD)
Thanish Davipaul in my opinion, the difference is that he is not a fanatic, ideology is not at the first place in his character. The primary motives at the base of his actions are his ego (he feels special, he wants to be great, to achieve his potential, that urge for power which he later learns to keep under control) and his infatuation with a person he feels connected to, who is in fact a fanatic.
"Will we die just a little" chilling lines that are delivered amazingly. Say what you want about Depp but he gets into his roles and I believe he will do just fine as Grindelwald.
@@steffenjensen422 Depp was the only reason people watched that movie in the first place. Won't be surprised if people stop watching it just because he's gone. Mike may or may not be a good portrayal of Grindelwald, but he would never equate Depp at all
Grindelwald is a total badass, he probably let himself get captured since he could have easily escaped from the Aurors if he had wanted to. The fact that he decided to advance towards them while dueling clearly shows that he had no intention of running away. His smirk at the end says it all.
Pretty sure he didn't mean to be captured. Had the fight continued, Grindelwald would eventually have defeated every last one of them. Then again, getting captured is nothing more than a setback for him.
I think my favorite part of this entire thing. Is that despite how many Aurors there were. Something like 15 to 20 easily. He was still supremely confident he could take all of them at the same time. And honestly, he was doing just that.
yasss, and he wasnt even moving backwards as in a defensive manner, he was just straight going for their asses, it was a really good scene, I just wish it lasted a little longer.
He stood his ground for not very long. How are people saying he was doing just that or hes that powerful when all he did was block the spells and rebounded a few lol ridiculous.
@Sameer Vadlamani Even so. Saying he was "doing just that" and taking them all on is ridiculous. He reflected two spells and took out two of them. Wasnt like a bunch were going down. Also funny how they are all casting the same spell at him. Not surprise he was continuously deflecting the same spell over and over. People even on here saying hes more powerful than Voldemort which is laughable.
I don't know how they're ever going to pull it off though. It's supposed to have taken 3 hours. If they do it in real time, it'll be a movie and a half.
OneOnOne1162 They'll probably place it between scenes set over that amount of time. Maybe they'll give the other characters something to do in the background that aids in bringing down Grindelwald's army or some large scheme he has planned. But yes, with scenes placed in between different stages in the duel and then say how long has passed is the closest there will be to the full fight. Hopefully it will be an incredible scene and live up to expectations, but those expectations are very, very high.
He is fighting the best 10-20 MACUSA Aurors at the same time, non-verbally with a wand that doesn't belong to him and given how he avoids using it during the film, probably doesn't even have its allegiance, and he only gets stopped not by the Aurors but by Newt's Beasts that were behind him and he wasn't counting on. The same kind of underestimation that Voldemort had, he doesn't acknowledge or take anything besides wizards into consideration. And likely neither does the elder wand and since a beast disarmed him (Tina only retrieves the wand, and does NOT disarm him) he likely doesn't lose the elder wand's allegiance.
according to Potterlore, Grindelwald only ever lost to Dumbledore in an honest fight, and Grindelwald thought Voldemort as a "powerful idiot" who "understood nothing of importance" Couple that with his ability to decieve the entire Ministry pretending to be Percival Graves for years, and subsequently overpowering 20+ Ministry Aurors by himself and that gives perspective on his level of power and intellect
When he started to kick the ass of all the Aurors, I was like "How in the hell is this guy so powerful?" And later "Oh, he is Grindelwald. That make more sense"
+nikprostaPiE no sorry I meant in the film I would have liked to have seen him take out a few more aurors. I'm not talking about this video specifically.
The fact that Fudge was somehow less terrified of Dumbledore, the man who beat this absolute force of nature, coming for his job than Voldemort returning just absolutely baffles me
Why? Voldemort was more powerful than Dumbledore AND willing to kill. Unlike Dumbledore who wasnt a threat so there is not really a reason to fear him unless you attack first and even then he would probably only disarm you and leave you to aurors. Lord V would just go for the killing curse right off the bat.
@Dark Voice Voldemort is not more powerful than Dumbeldore. The rest I agree with. I will add that his fear of Dumbledore comes from his delusion & being usurped by a superior wizard
@@Dark_Voice Yeah Voldemort is not stronger than Dumbledore, quite the opposite actually. Dumbledore is "the only one he ever feared". Dumbledore wiped the floor with him in the books (fawkes was one of his weapons) and seemed to be in a tie in the movies despite the fact that Dumbledore was only protecting/stalling and had to look out for Harry too. Knowing that the elder wand didn't exist in Rowling's head back then and also knowing that the deathly hallows are not all they are made to be, using the elder wand doesn't take away anything from Dumbledore.
@@BapeRuLLZ it goes 1. Dumbledore 2. Voldemort 3. Grindelwald so yeah the thing is as many have said he Voldemort has no problem slaughtering so many innocents just for the hell of it that is what makes him scarier in my opinion and unable to feel love.
@@McherriNope it is Dumbledore, Grindelwald and Voldemort....Grindelwald wiped out entire force of Aurors with a single spell. And that Protego Diabolica spell empowered by the Elder Wand took 6 persons to contain. Being dark and evil? It goes to Voldemort but more powerful and skilled? Grindelwald
Grindelwald probably could breakout of their version of azkaban because in book order of the Phoenix when they are about to arrest dumbledore he says something like "I could breakout of Azkaban of course but that time would be wasted when I could be doing more important things".
A few thoughts about Newt capturing Grindelwald with such apparent ease (apologies for the length): 1) When Grindelwald fought Newt earlier, Newt attempted only one attack, a standard magical blast with his wand, and it was easily deflected. The rest of the battle Newt spent dodging, defending, and almost getting electrocuted. Grindelwald would not have seen him as an offensive threat, especially compared to the Aurors. 2) Grindelwald's speech was intended to plant seeds of doubt in his listeners about the MACUSA policy of hiding - and when he says "I ask all of you" he takes a long look back at Newt and Tina. He knows they watched Credence get (apparently) killed, and I'm sure he wants them to be thinking about Credence when he says "who does this law protect?", and wants them thinking that the law is what forced Credence into his condition and ultimately got him killed. Despite having just fought both of them, because of Credence they're his most likely "converts" to opposition to the law. 3) If you watch the Auror's blasts hit Grindelwald's shield, from the way the energies dissipate it looks like the shield is spherical. So he was prepared for that kind of magical attack by Newt or Tina as well as the Aurors, and if either of them _had_ attacked magically like that, their attacks would have similarly hit the shield and been deflected. 4) Also, when he starts walking back and the battle begins, Tina and Newt are on his left but still in front of him. He can see that they're not attacking along with the Aurors. That might have made him think that they were at least pondering what he said, torn between the two sides. 5) This bit is even more speculative, but I don't think Newt released the Swooping Evil just as a distraction. Grindelwald, as Graves, would have gotten reports from the Aurors who chased Newt and Tina, so he would have known that the creature could deflect magical blasts. When it flies in front of him, you can see several blasts hit the ceiling, indicating that the Swooping Evil _had_ deflected several attacks, probably from the Aurors. This may have led Grindelwald to believe that Newt had been convinced by the speech and was fighting _with_ him, and caused him to let down his guard a little in that direction. To me, the look on his face as the creature flies behind him and he starts to turn around says "I can't believe I convinced you so quickly". 6) You can see from Grindelwald's face that he is completely shocked when his hands are seized by whatever-it-is Newt threw at him. He wasn't _planning_ to be captured, at least not by Newt, and he is first shocked, then angry. But I suspect he _had_ planned for the possibility of capture, so after getting over his surprise at _how_ he was taken, he settled into his more customary arrogance.
I love this kind of discussion. I doubt number 4 though because he had sentenced them to death and just been trying to kill Newt moments before. It would be foolish of them to think they'd come to his side. As for 5, you can't read too deeply into the too-early shocked look on his face. I think Colin thought Grindelwald would see something looming behind him out of the periphery of his vision that grabbed his arms before he could react. They didn't end up animating it that way though. Grindelwald stared straight ahead at the aurors during the fight. He didn't look up at the swooping evil. So, why would he have noticed it less conspicuously coming up behind him? Which reminds me, why didn't an auror just apparate immediately behind Grindelwald and grab his arms?
@M G I think I heard somewhere that Grindlewald had something of a tendency to have little interest or tolerance for those whom he considered beneath him. Hence why he dismissed Credence as unimportant once he was done with him and only showed renewed interest once Credence proved to be who he was seeking. Thus he likely did not consider Newt anything more then a nuisance.
toe to toe with Dumbledore only in his early years, let us not forget that Dumbledore didn't exactly have an easy duel in the ministry against Voldemort and Dumbledore was using the elder wand (like Grindelwald in their duel) Grindelwald is strong but not strong enough to take 10 aurors including Newt with beasts
I’m sure he could have broken free from Newt’s creature but I think when he got his hands trapped he decided to escape captivity instead of escaping right then and there.
Wow, that scene was awesome. I don't know how he was able to deflect all them spells the Auror's was casting. An average wizard/witch could only deflect spells from one or a few wizards/witches, but Grindelwald was able to deflect from many Aurors at the same time and hit some Auror's back. But I noticed Madam President Sarafina Picquery did not draw her wand, she looked amazed and I think she knew right then that was Grindlewald because I don't believe Graves could ever hold back that many Aurors. The MACUSA President is very powerful with in her own right, it would have been interesting to see a duel between the two of them. But I think Dumbledore could possibly be the only one that could have stopped him, but who knows, Madam Picquery is very powerful too.
i know right!. home girl didn't lift her wand! I was like you about to die girl!but than maybe because they both didn't hurt each other....they are on the same side
She didn't draw her wand because she knew that it will make no difference cuz at that moment she realized that it was Grindelwald. And she is not powerful, having a high position in the wizarding world doesn't mean you're powerful. We all know Fudge was weak and insecure although he was the minister of magic.
She was one of very few students that all IIvermorny houses wanted, which does not happen very often at all. That says that she is very gifted. It says on Wiki that anyone who has tried to cross her has lived to regret it.
Not sure why they say the dark lord was the most evil to ever live. I mean 7 books and there was nothing apart from the duel with dumbledore which was a draw at best. Whereas gellert here was total badass
Felipe Medeiros In that duel Dumbledore wasn't even trying, even Voldemort got pissed off because of it because even though he was immortal he couldn't touch Deumbledore. The duel between G&D lasted for hours, and this is when Dumbledore was in his dueling prime.
Leo Richards So from what u say, Voldemort is the most powerful dark wizard just cause Grindewald didnt showed his true strenght? Perhaps because his plans didnt require him to do so? Cause i believe none in the magical world knew about Voldemort immortality (If they knew, his reputation could have grown on this fact alone) but maybe he was just more violent than Grindewald, not more powerful. U may be right then.
Felipe Medeiros You read my comment wrong i was saying Dumbledore was the one not trying when he dueled Voldemort, and this was when Albus was not in his prime. Its hard to say who is truly more powerful out of Voldy and Grind, they both have vast knowledge of the Dark arts, if Voldemort had his horcruxes then obviously he would win but without them its really hard to say. Me personally would go for Grindelwald because even though Voldemort was very intelligent his arrogance blinded him as shown many times during the second wizarding war, even Grindelwald himself said that Voldemort was a powerful idiot as he didn't understand the elder wand or how to master it.
@@Zero-qy2rf tbh i would have feared voldy more, not because some are saying voldy is more powerful, but cuz he is a psychopath. He genuinely enjoys torturing, and murdering. He enjoys the fear he gave other people. Grindelwald, on the other hand seems to be much, much more sane than voldy. I mean, dude cant even understand love no more.
Grindelwald weilds Mr. Grave's wand here. That is obviously not the elder wand. If you read the Elder Wand Wikia, it was passed from Grindelwald to Dumbledore to Draco Malfoy to Voldemort,then to Harry Potter. It was never owned by Tina or Newt (as some said Newt disarmed Grindelwald and Tina Accio the wand), it confirms that was not the elder wand
There's been so much negativity towards Johnny Depp's casting as Grindelwald and honestly, it's irritating. We've only seen him as Grindelwald for just about a minute and that's barely enough to start saying he'll be terrible in the role. Besides, if Rowling believes he is the right choice then I'm confident. It's true he's not been on top form for a while now, but give him a chance. Playing the villain may suit him. Personally I think his brief part was promising. He was chilling and the expressions he made (that smile he gives Newt as he's lead away) were spot on. And am I the only one who thinks the design of Grindelwald was great? Just my opinion though.
People need to give him a chance. I am looking forward to seeing Johnny Depp as Grindelwald. People are always going to have something to disagree with.
Victoria Richardson Absolutely! I'm very much looking forward to his portrayal of Grindelwald too. Just as you said, people will always disagree on something. Depp is a fantastic actor and has played and brought to life so many iconic and interesting characters (e.g Jack Sparrow) and his movies show he has the perfect range to play Grindelwald. Some didn't like his "design" as Grindelwald but I think it looks fantastic. Instantly iconic and if the way he plays the character matches the appearance, he'll likely steal the show in the next few movies.
I completely agree. Technically speaking Grindelwald had about two minutes of actual screen time. But Johnny Depp owned those couple minutes. Just the right blend of elegence and crazy. Unlike Voldemort who was a mass murdering impulsive psychopath. Albeit an extremely powerful and genius level one. Grindelwald struck me as being a little classier in his craziness. Sort of like a Hilter and the Godfather comparison
The negativity has more to do with the twist being unnecessary and poorly executed, than who was actually cast as Grindelwald. It is quite obvious that Johnny Depp's head was sloppily edited into the scene, and that is Colin Farrell's body. It also does not help that his contacts are completely distracting, and his German/Austrian "accent" is terrible.
chocolateyes613 It's true there's no denying the editing was imperfect and the twist was at best unnecessary, but I did not say that was the main source of the negativity. What I meant was how most of the initial reaction towards Depp's casting was negative. I did not at all say it was the main source of the poor response to this scene. I was speaking distinctively about Depp's casting as a separate thing, not this scene. Everywhere I have looked there is an overwhelming amount of criticism to Depp's casting. I personally find it infuriating when people decide how an actor will be in a role before they've even seen them completely in the role. There's a lot of examples of this and more often than not the actor excels and proves their detractors wrong. Perhaps his accent wasn't perfect, but as I was trying to say, give him a chance.
I'm sure Johnny will do great in the role. I'm just sort of sad that Colin Farrell's character was wasted like that. Here's to hoping the real Graves pops up in the sequels
I wish he took out all of the aurors and as he was about to kill the president thats when Newt used the beast to capture him... too short... I can't wait for the next movie and hope to see Grindlewald kicking more ass
He would not have killed Seraphina lmfao she stood there for a reason but if she did have to draw her wand she wouldnt have perished mightve lost a battle but shed have gotten away, seraphina was president for a reason and americas first woman duelist champion.
While I personally think it's bullshit how easily Grindelwald was taken down, at least it was from a surprise attack and not the director depowering him and letting a nobody like Newt or one of those Aurors beat him in a fair fight. Cause ain't nobody but Dumbledore doin' that.
No you're underestimating Newt, the man trained fucking dragons to fight in WW1 and tamed super monsters which he pull out of case like a Pokemon master.
@@li-limandragon9287 btw bro I think Grindelwald doesn't need dragons or even wands to fight.Look at his smirk in the last part..Its says something..and when he told this line "Do you think you can hold me?"...The President was quite terrified and have got goosebumps from that.. P.S.- Gellert Grindelwald isn't scared of beasts
@@devan6935 yes it was...that line "I hate Paris" one and within fraction of second he disapparate...I like his style and that Protego Diabolica (The blue flames circle I mean )was awesome....
@@asherreed490 That and the fact it could've destroyed all of Paris after *he left* and required atleast a dozen or more witches and wizards including nicholas flamel to stop, when he wasn't even directly controlling it any more
Koba granted there were many dozens of aurors at the ministry, along with Dumbledore and most of the order. Even Voldemort isn’t stupid or arrogant enough to think he’d come out of that one unscathed.
He ran away from Aurors and Albus Dumbledore, who was Voldemort's equal in duelling ability. Voldemort had a good chance of beating Dumbledore in a one on one duel but even before the Aurors arrived, Dumbledore had two advantages. The first was stated in The Half Blood Prince with the quote "I taught Tom Riddle. I know his style". The second was that he was using the Elder Wand. Duelling Dumbledore whilst fending off a group of Aurors at the same time would be foolish.
Grindelwald casually taking on approximately 20 Aurors at once showed what a badass villain he is. He's like "Okay, fuck it, let's get this over with", then casually dispels their barrier and starts wailing on them without saying a word or even using any aggressive spells. Everything they throw at him is just deflected back at them like a lightsaber deflecting a blaster bolt. It's a nice contrast to Voldemort, who is much more aggressive. However, this scene wasn't shot very well. They should have shown Grindelwald dropping his wand before Tina summoned it. Because they didn't do that most people, myself included, mistakenly thought that she just achieved mastery of the Elder Wand (the fact that Grindelwald wasn't actually using the Elder Wand means nothing because Draco Malfoy wasn't using it either when Harry achieved mastery). The Swooping Evil technically disarmed him and the Elder Wand doesn't recognise animals as its master, but we don't see the wand drop from Grindlewald's hand so it's very easy for people to think that it passed on to a new master in this scene.
Honestly, I don't understand why people said that Johnny Depp shouldn't be Gellert Grindelwald, I mean for gods sake! He was only in the movies for how long? 1-2 minutes? I mean, come on guys, just give the guy a chance to prove himself to you
Because Johnny Depp is a love-him-or-hate-him actor, and quite overexposed at this point. How many would-be franchises has he been in, during the past decade?
me personally call me a perfectionist but I found him a too flamboyant for the character which ironically was the same problem I had with Ralph Fiennes doing Voldemort although in that case I suspect as with here they have purposely made a character less frightening then their book counterpart to make the films more family accessible (unfortunately the deathly hallows doesn't get that past because of the scene of Hermione being tortured in part 1)
actually no two different problems their Johny depp I found too Flamboyant Ralph Fiennes I just saw as being too human in his portrayal of Voldemort (that hug and awkward laugh from part two of the deathly hallows)
While Voldy wasn't that scary in the films, it kind of suited his character, I big point about Voldemort's character, is that he dosn't live up the hype, beneath all his reputation and mystique, he's just man who's everybit as fallible as everyone else.
Just what I expected from Dumbledore's archenemy. Grindelwald was using Graves' wand and yet if it wasn't for Newt's sneak attack, he would've defeat all aurors and president herself. The reason why Tom Riddle Jr was placed No.1 as most dangerous dark wizard of all time is because he was a psychopath who killed anyone standing in his way. In terms of leadership skills, understanding of human psychology, wisdom, and intelligence, Grindelwald was superior. If you read Deathly Hallow, you can see that even though he was already dead, Dumbledore had Voldmort on his palm. Dumbledore's planning skills and understanding of people's relations allowed him to completely toy with Riddle. Grindelwald's skills and intelligence are near mirror level of Dumbledore. In terms of over all skills, Grindelwald deserves No.1 in the list of most powerful dark wizard of all time. Unlike Grindelwald's ideology was somewhat understandable, Voldmort was using blood superiority as his tool for gaining more power for himself only.
Garammaru - Grindelwald is the #1 dark wizard, he’s only placed second cause the franchise came out second, Same reason Voldemort’s wizarding war is known as the first when there’s clearly Grindewald, only because she thought of his idea first but skillfully, Grindewald is more powerful then Voldemort. Especially Voldemort with the Horcruxes who was weak after them all being destroyed with a weak soul.
And now with Secrets of Dumbledore released, (SPOILER ALERT) Grindelwald is basically the same as Voldemort. He also thinks that Muggles poison blood purity and make the wizards weak.
It’s crazy just to imagine how actually powerful Grindelwald was, and how could it be if he had created Horcruxes for him. But is very important to say that Grindelwald didn’t created the horcruxes not because he couldn’t, he most like could have done as well, but he never was obsessed with immortality or afraid of dying like Voldemort was. As a matter of fact, he always knew what creating those would cost him, and that death is inevitable, which makes him at the very least, far more wise than Voldemort. I personally think that Grindelwald was more powerful than Voldemort in terms of knowledge/spell skills, but Voldemort was far more cruel, destructive, and at his end almost irrational (also very skilled), which combined, made him even more dangerous than Grindelwald itself. J.K. Rowling world is even more amazing when you can see the details she has created!
Let's face it: Newt is basically a Pokémon Trainer 0:56 when he releases his creature, it looks like a trainer sending their Pokémon out! The magical creature even makes a noise not unlike a Pokémon cry. Then it flies around to distract Grindelwald before Newt uses Power Whip/String Shot/Vine Whip (take your pick). When Newt calls it back, it seems to shrink and return to him, similar to a Pokémon! As someone who has been a Pokémon and Harry Potter fangirl since i was a kid, i love this movie! I wish they hadn't cancelled the series.
And remember, Dumbledore was only a "shade" more powerful than Grindelwald. Admittedly, Grindelwald was using the Elder wand but then it could be said that Dumbledore beat/stalemated Voldemort too. Regardless of who's more powerful, these three are really in a league of their own
No, actually we cant see it but, in the movie script it said that Grindelwald drop his wand to the floor before tina said "Acio" so that wand and the elder wand it still loyal to grindelwald
I did some counting, there were about thirty Aurors present. And he looked like he was fending them off with relative ease. I'd say, Grindelwald and Dumbledore going head to head should be quite the sight, if David Yates don't mess it up.
I would actually be a Grindelwald fanatic if it wasn't for wanting to dominate muggles/no-mages. If it was just to reveal magic to them and be on all equal terms, then I'd go for it. His speech made me realise that, since it makes so much sense
wizards tried that once and it ended with a bunch of them getting burned or their heads cut off. Grindelwald was right their choice was to rule the muggles or to hide from them
@@hannahdyson5603 They wanted to rule muggles not wipe them out. Also they wouldn't be as bad as muggles for two reason firstly, they wouldn't execute people for how they were born secondly they wouldn't be as bad because nobody would be forced to live in hiding. Also I never said the wizards would treat the muggles well only that the wizards would themselves have better live.
If I lived in this time I would be with Gellit cause he's kinda right what's the point in having magic if you can't use it and I wish he didn't get captured cause he's so bad ass
I think he is exceptionaly strong with protection charms, in. In this movie no single auror manage to get past his barier and even get countered and in the second movie he cast on of the most versatile spell, protego diabolica that protect him and attacking the aurors effectively
I think this is amazing casting, I honestly think Johnny Depp will be amazing as Grindelwald, he looks the part, and it's nice to see him doing something different away from Jack Sparrow and OTT Tim Burton characters
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I like the part at 0:39 where he goes like, "fine, I guess I will just kill them all"!
gamer1884 I know right!?? Idk if his lvl of magic is the same as Dumbledore but the way he reflect back of the Aurors attacks is sooo impressive! ☺️
gamer1884 I kept thinking: Dumbledore defeated this man in duel, how on earth could Fudge actually think that two Aurors, Umbridge and himself could EVER stand a chance against Dumbledore?! Cornelius Fudge is quite possibly the dumbest Minister of Magic in the history of the Ministry!
StichLooWeen Did you notice that he kept waving his arm in a semi-circular fashion and turning his wrist clockwise and anti-clockwise? I've come to believe that he didn't actually created several shields, but one very strong shield charm that he kept feeding, possibly Protego Maxima (or Totalum - given that the shield walk with him)
+alonelychild Not only did Dumbledorebest him in a duel, Dumbledore bested him in a duel when he had the elder wand. Here he doesn't even have the elder wand.
Chris He is obsessed with obscurials because he intended to use their power to enslave or eradicate muggles.
Who else can't wait for the legendary Grindelwald and Dumbledore battle !!
England 1966 Hopefully they don't mess that up.
I also want a flashback to the battle with aberforth and dumbledore where Ariana gets killed
Julian Smit now that you mention it, I'm interested in seeing Aberforth. He's described as a very powerful duelist with an aggressive style and it would be cool seeing the other Dumbledore in action.
Yeah unfortunanetly the next film takes place in like 1928 or 1929, and the duel is in 1945. Unless there's a huge time jump, it'll be in movie 5, which is going to be in like 2024. I HOPE that the series is pure Dumbledore+Newt+Grindelwald and features the flashbacks mentioned above, and more backstory.
I can’t but their duel is 3 hours long so Rowling is going to have to do some jump cuts during it so we can it pan out. Hopefully it’s over 5 minutes though.
I love the face graves makes when he is about to attack it like he saying to himself “okay, let’s get this over with
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Yeah.
I still cannot fathom how Fudge could have been so foolish to think that he, Dolores Umbridge, Shakelbolt and Dawlish stood a chance against the man who defeated Grindelwald in duel ... watching this scene it's plainly clear that Dumbledore could have, if he so desired, taken on the entire Auror Office of the British Ministry for Magic.
They know that that is why they fear him
Novo Eduardo AC and he didn’t have the elder wand when he did it
Well, Fudge wasn't exactly known for his brain power.
Well not so much shackelbolt but the other 3 yes
Well yes but actually no, i think that the one thing rita was right about dumbledore is that there was no duel in the end. even tho i think that dumbledore could have done that, it's not due to his win against grindelwald
Voldermort: ''I should be gone before the Aurors arrive''
Grindelwald: ''Very well then, you want to fight, bring it''
Even if I prefere Grindelwald over Voldemort, we have to consider the fact that when Voldemort says that line, he was in front of Dumbledore...even for Voldemort was impossible to fight Albus + Aurors alone
@@davide6929 it’d be cool to see though
If there’s a duel between grindelwald and Voldemort I’ll put my money on Grindelwald to win…tommy boy would flee 😂
@@johnsmith60 it would really go like this tho
They would just team up lol
Well, the Ministry didn't believe that Tom was back, and I am pretty sure that he didn't want them to find out
Colin Farrell killed it in this movie. He was a brilliant choice for Graves and honestly should have been kept alive to return in future sequels, as Graves was a powerful auror enough that his displays of magic seen by the ministry, including wandless magic, drew no significant suspicion to him up until this point.
Colin Farrell is my ultimate crush back in the 2000s, still my man crush until now
That's literally why Grindelwald posed as him. He was very much aware of his capabilities.
Lol everyone complimenting Johnny Depp when he was only in it for like 30 seconds, but no one shows any love for Colin Farrell
Yes😭😭😭
Collin Farrell was great and could've replaced Depp for upcoming movie.
Please I love them both
THIS. So very much this. One thing that gives me hope that we'll see Graves again; the fact that in 'GoF', they needed to keep Moody alive to use Polyjuice to keep impersonating him...
@@brothergrimace3859 but this wasn't polyjuice
I like how the Aurors look like mobsters where as in England, they just look like warlocks in Merlin's time.
well I suppose difference in cultures and the times could say something for it, I mean I imagine moving to the new world they wouldn't have necessarily been confined to the same rigid ways. (By that I mean that I imagine the only reason that wizards don't wear more modern clothing is that their superior powers(magical), give them a certain sense of self superiority which make themselves too arrogant to potentially improve their own society using muggle aspects in England. Potentially this is something that to a certain aspect they have decided that the US don't need, at least not in terms of borrowing aspects of No mag society in order to improve their own.)
@@MegaMerlin5 US magical society was even more Insular than the European ones . No majs and magical people were not even allowed to marry , so it's not a case of them being more open
American aurora very much like American police. No negotiation 😁
@@hannahdyson5603 i agree, the American magical community would have made a point of guarding themselves with anonymity and would wear clothing fashionable to their time just to guarantee that they wouldn't stand out.
Also the British Aurors are older than the Americans since America is only a few centuries old.
I like how the president is terrifyingly realising that this man is not Graves. Hopefully Farrell will return in the sequals as the real Graves. It would be a waste of talent if does not return.
Alexander Inget would Grindelwald let him live?
Robert Erlandson We really don't know but tbh, I can't see any reason for Grindelwald to have kept him alive.
aeoncz He had to keep him alive for the Polijuice Potion im sure he will be in the next movies
Marcus Moritz Nope. Grindelwald used Human Transfiguration to assume Graves' identity. 'Revelio' wouldn't have cancelled the effects of Polyjuice.
Yeah, transfiguration was confirmed and he has a very similar level of mastery in it to none other than Dumbledore
* Revelio *
Jack Sparrow: wups, wrong movie~
0955interactive gentleman and Lady, you will this as the day you almost caught Capt- I mean Gellert
Grindelwald,wow that's a tounge twister ain't it.
Everyone: “Benjamin Barker?”
Todd: “No, not Barker, that man is dead, It’s Todd now, Sweeney Todd”
*captain Jack sparrow*
He didn't even use Elder Wand in this fight, that's how strong Grindelwald is
Entropi thank you for this, I was wondering if newt or Tina became the new master after disarming him
aslunku he didn't use elder wand cuz he was impersonating someone.
That makes no sense. In Deathly Hallows, it was established that no one knows what the wand looks like. So, Grindelwald should have easily been able to pass the wand off.
StarKiller 56 the Americans have wand registration thingy as mentioned in the movie since ehe was impersonating Graves he would have to use Graves wand or else his cover would be easily blown. Plus in the movie u see he isn't using the elder wand.
true but tina still disarmed him right? that should make her the new master of the elder wand unless as I personally suspect he hadn't actually retrieved at this point in the story which if you think about it makes him all the more frightening although that does kind of screw up my theory of how grindlewald was defeated by Dumbledore in 1945
Dumbledore and Grindelwald are very like Professor X and Magneto, one seeks peaceful coexistence with the Muggles while the other sees wizards as the "superior species" who should rule the world. I'm looking forward to seeing Grindelwald's epic breakout scene the very next movie (hopefully it's even better than Magneto's breakout scene XD)
Entropi I love both universes and you're so right that was amazing to read!:D
not really, dumbeldore wanted the wizards to be above muggers like grindelwald wanted, it's just death of ariana changed him
Thanish Davipaul dumbledore just wanted to be great, and he fell in love with grindewald, ultimately he is a kind person, although damaged.
Giacomo Arturi welp whats the difference
Thanish Davipaul in my opinion, the difference is that he is not a fanatic, ideology is not at the first place in his character. The primary motives at the base of his actions are his ego (he feels special, he wants to be great, to achieve his potential, that urge for power which he later learns to keep under control) and his infatuation with a person he feels connected to, who is in fact a fanatic.
"Will we die just a little" chilling lines that are delivered amazingly. Say what you want about Depp but he gets into his roles and I believe he will do just fine as Grindelwald.
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@@SuperTony197 no it did not
@@SuperTony197 Exactly what I was going to say :(
I don't get the hate Depp gets as Grindelwald. Imo that speech/rallye thing at the end was the one thing about movie two that was truly great
@@steffenjensen422 Depp was the only reason people watched that movie in the first place. Won't be surprised if people stop watching it just because he's gone. Mike may or may not be a good portrayal of Grindelwald, but he would never equate Depp at all
Grindelwald is a total badass, he probably let himself get captured since he could have easily escaped from the Aurors if he had wanted to. The fact that he decided to advance towards them while dueling clearly shows that he had no intention of running away. His smirk at the end says it all.
Entropi He'd hv gone easily, but Newt's bird distracted him. He didn't expect that. But he had other plans though.
Entropi
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Pretty sure he didn't mean to be captured. Had the fight continued, Grindelwald would eventually have defeated every last one of them. Then again, getting captured is nothing more than a setback for him.
No Newt's the badass
I think my favorite part of this entire thing. Is that despite how many Aurors there were. Something like 15 to 20 easily. He was still supremely confident he could take all of them at the same time.
And honestly, he was doing just that.
yasss, and he wasnt even moving backwards as in a defensive manner, he was just straight going for their asses, it was a really good scene, I just wish it lasted a little longer.
*sighs*
Now I have to step over all your bodies...
His disdain for MACUSA's attempt to restrain him. It shows how much he resented having to hide his true talent through self imprisonment.
He stood his ground for not very long. How are people saying he was doing just that or hes that powerful when all he did was block the spells and rebounded a few lol ridiculous.
@Sameer Vadlamani Even so. Saying he was "doing just that" and taking them all on is ridiculous. He reflected two spells and took out two of them. Wasnt like a bunch were going down. Also funny how they are all casting the same spell at him. Not surprise he was continuously deflecting the same spell over and over. People even on here saying hes more powerful than Voldemort which is laughable.
I can't wait to see Dumbledore vs Grindelwald!!!
Novo Eduardo AC Me too! That should be amazing!
Then wait 8 more years!
I don't know how they're ever going to pull it off though. It's supposed to have taken 3 hours. If they do it in real time, it'll be a movie and a half.
OneOnOne1162 They'll probably place it between scenes set over that amount of time. Maybe they'll give the other characters something to do in the background that aids in bringing down Grindelwald's army or some large scheme he has planned. But yes, with scenes placed in between different stages in the duel and then say how long has passed is the closest there will be to the full fight.
Hopefully it will be an incredible scene and live up to expectations, but those expectations are very, very high.
OneOnOne1162 Silly rabbit! Harry Potter movies are always that long.
I really wish they had grindelwald take out a lot more of them and used a lot more power
yeah shit was pathetically short
This was more a show of skill then distructive power. It's still impressive in my opinion.
It would've been cool for a longer scene however keep in mind that these are aurora, mega trained wizards. I would've taken a while
I wished Grindelward did more than just casually blasting them off with some stupefy spells.. 😓
He is fighting the best 10-20 MACUSA Aurors at the same time, non-verbally with a wand that doesn't belong to him and given how he avoids using it during the film, probably doesn't even have its allegiance, and he only gets stopped not by the Aurors but by Newt's Beasts that were behind him and he wasn't counting on. The same kind of underestimation that Voldemort had, he doesn't acknowledge or take anything besides wizards into consideration.
And likely neither does the elder wand and since a beast disarmed him (Tina only retrieves the wand, and does NOT disarm him) he likely doesn't lose the elder wand's allegiance.
0:56 That moment when she realizes that can't be graves, he isn't that strong.
i love that she is terrified
Love how the two Aurors detaining Grindelwald decided to dramatically stop while passing Newt.
They didn't have to say anything
Not only that he didn't use the Elder wand, he was using someone else's, random, wand and he still almost erased them from history.
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Pretty accurate 😂
Until this scene, I always thought he was an agent of Grindelwald. But I didn't think that he WAS him.
Markus Hirschmann Right? After seeing how skilled Grindelwald is here, it makes me wonder how strong he really is! I can't wait!
according to Potterlore, Grindelwald only ever lost to Dumbledore in an honest fight, and Grindelwald thought Voldemort as a "powerful idiot" who "understood nothing of importance"
Couple that with his ability to decieve the entire Ministry pretending to be Percival Graves for years, and subsequently overpowering 20+ Ministry Aurors by himself
and that gives perspective on his level of power and intellect
When he started to kick the ass of all the Aurors, I was like "How in the hell is this guy so powerful?" And later "Oh, he is Grindelwald. That make more sense"
Max Simpson Yep pretty much what I was thinking lol!! 😂
Max Simpson i stopped the video and recounted,got 15 people.maybe theres more in the back?xD
I can't be the only one who wants Grindlewand to win
Newt's too good with his beasts.
Me too...GRINDELWALD IS DA BEST!!!!
your not alone buddy
Honestly considering all the bullsh*t the Macusa did to Newt, Credence and all I would've been ok with Grindewald kicking their asses.
Honestly, I would probably be a Grindlewald apologist if not an outright supporter in the Potterverse.
0.57 her face expresses only two wizards are capable of taking us on like this.
0:56 her face alone tells everything about Grindelwalds power...
This is the day you will always remember as the day you almost caught Captain Jack Sp-
GELLERT GRINDELWALD
Been waiting for someone to upload this, thanks. I think this scene could've done with being just a few seconds longer.
my bad
+nikprostaPiE no sorry I meant in the film I would have liked to have seen him take out a few more aurors. I'm not talking about this video specifically.
noob
Don't worry, you'll get a massive battle in the next film coming out in a month
Okk
At 0:38 I just love how he is like “So you have chosen... Death.”
The fact that Fudge was somehow less terrified of Dumbledore, the man who beat this absolute force of nature, coming for his job than Voldemort returning just absolutely baffles me
Why? Voldemort was more powerful than Dumbledore AND willing to kill. Unlike Dumbledore who wasnt a threat so there is not really a reason to fear him unless you attack first and even then he would probably only disarm you and leave you to aurors. Lord V would just go for the killing curse right off the bat.
@Dark Voice Voldemort is not more powerful than Dumbeldore. The rest I agree with. I will add that his fear of Dumbledore comes from his delusion & being usurped by a superior wizard
@@Dark_Voice Yeah Voldemort is not stronger than Dumbledore, quite the opposite actually. Dumbledore is "the only one he ever feared". Dumbledore wiped the floor with him in the books (fawkes was one of his weapons) and seemed to be in a tie in the movies despite the fact that Dumbledore was only protecting/stalling and had to look out for Harry too. Knowing that the elder wand didn't exist in Rowling's head back then and also knowing that the deathly hallows are not all they are made to be, using the elder wand doesn't take away anything from Dumbledore.
@@BapeRuLLZ it goes
1. Dumbledore
2. Voldemort
3. Grindelwald so yeah the thing is as many have said he Voldemort has no problem slaughtering so many innocents just for the hell of it that is what makes him scarier in my opinion and unable to feel love.
@@McherriNope it is Dumbledore, Grindelwald and Voldemort....Grindelwald wiped out entire force of Aurors with a single spell. And that Protego Diabolica spell empowered by the Elder Wand took 6 persons to contain. Being dark and evil? It goes to Voldemort but more powerful and skilled? Grindelwald
I like how Grindelwald lost to a magical creature twice, first the swooping evil and then the niffler
Yeah I think they're setting up his weakness for the finale there
Grindelwald probably could breakout of their version of azkaban because in book order of the Phoenix when they are about to arrest dumbledore he says something like "I could breakout of Azkaban of course but that time would be wasted when I could be doing more important things".
A few thoughts about Newt capturing Grindelwald with such apparent ease (apologies for the length):
1) When Grindelwald fought Newt earlier, Newt attempted only one attack, a standard magical blast with his wand, and it was easily deflected. The rest of the battle Newt spent dodging, defending, and almost getting electrocuted. Grindelwald would not have seen him as an offensive threat, especially compared to the Aurors.
2) Grindelwald's speech was intended to plant seeds of doubt in his listeners about the MACUSA policy of hiding - and when he says "I ask all of you" he takes a long look back at Newt and Tina. He knows they watched Credence get (apparently) killed, and I'm sure he wants them to be thinking about Credence when he says "who does this law protect?", and wants them thinking that the law is what forced Credence into his condition and ultimately got him killed. Despite having just fought both of them, because of Credence they're his most likely "converts" to opposition to the law.
3) If you watch the Auror's blasts hit Grindelwald's shield, from the way the energies dissipate it looks like the shield is spherical. So he was prepared for that kind of magical attack by Newt or Tina as well as the Aurors, and if either of them _had_ attacked magically like that, their attacks would have similarly hit the shield and been deflected.
4) Also, when he starts walking back and the battle begins, Tina and Newt are on his left but still in front of him. He can see that they're not attacking along with the Aurors. That might have made him think that they were at least pondering what he said, torn between the two sides.
5) This bit is even more speculative, but I don't think Newt released the Swooping Evil just as a distraction. Grindelwald, as Graves, would have gotten reports from the Aurors who chased Newt and Tina, so he would have known that the creature could deflect magical blasts. When it flies in front of him, you can see several blasts hit the ceiling, indicating that the Swooping Evil _had_ deflected several attacks, probably from the Aurors. This may have led Grindelwald to believe that Newt had been convinced by the speech and was fighting _with_ him, and caused him to let down his guard a little in that direction. To me, the look on his face as the creature flies behind him and he starts to turn around says "I can't believe I convinced you so quickly".
6) You can see from Grindelwald's face that he is completely shocked when his hands are seized by whatever-it-is Newt threw at him. He wasn't _planning_ to be captured, at least not by Newt, and he is first shocked, then angry. But I suspect he _had_ planned for the possibility of capture, so after getting over his surprise at _how_ he was taken, he settled into his more customary arrogance.
Great point 😊👍
Very good
or you know, he had his back against the guy lol
I love this kind of discussion. I doubt number 4 though because he had sentenced them to death and just been trying to kill Newt moments before. It would be foolish of them to think they'd come to his side.
As for 5, you can't read too deeply into the too-early shocked look on his face. I think Colin thought Grindelwald would see something looming behind him out of the periphery of his vision that grabbed his arms before he could react. They didn't end up animating it that way though. Grindelwald stared straight ahead at the aurors during the fight. He didn't look up at the swooping evil. So, why would he have noticed it less conspicuously coming up behind him? Which reminds me, why didn't an auror just apparate immediately behind Grindelwald and grab his arms?
@M G I think I heard somewhere that Grindlewald had something of a tendency to have little interest or tolerance for those whom he considered beneath him. Hence why he dismissed Credence as unimportant once he was done with him and only showed renewed interest once Credence proved to be who he was seeking. Thus he likely did not consider Newt anything more then a nuisance.
He didnt even try to attack, he just blocked and shot the odd spell. Grindelwald truly is incredibly powerful.
You can tell that it's a blatant plot convenience when a wizard that can go toe to toe with Dumbledore gets apprehended so easily.
He was attacked from behind
Newt with beasts is top tier.
toe to toe with Dumbledore only in his early years, let us not forget that Dumbledore didn't exactly have an easy duel in the ministry against Voldemort and Dumbledore was using the elder wand (like Grindelwald in their duel) Grindelwald is strong but not strong enough to take 10 aurors including Newt with beasts
No, he was strong enough to do so. He just didn't want to
I’m sure he could have broken free from Newt’s creature but I think when he got his hands trapped he decided to escape captivity instead of escaping right then and there.
This man walked up to twenty aurors like Anakin Skywalker when he slaughtered younglings.
Wow, that scene was awesome. I don't know how he was able to deflect all them spells the Auror's was casting. An average wizard/witch could only deflect spells from one or a few wizards/witches, but Grindelwald was able to deflect from many Aurors at the same time and hit some Auror's back. But I noticed Madam President Sarafina Picquery did not draw her wand, she looked amazed and I think she knew right then that was Grindlewald because I don't believe Graves could ever hold back that many Aurors. The MACUSA President is very powerful with in her own right, it would have been interesting to see a duel between the two of them. But I think Dumbledore could possibly be the only one that could have stopped him, but who knows, Madam Picquery is very powerful too.
i know right!. home girl didn't lift her wand! I was like you about to die girl!but than maybe because they both didn't hurt each other....they are on the same side
She didn't draw her wand because she knew that it will make no difference cuz at that moment she realized that it was Grindelwald. And she is not powerful, having a high position in the wizarding world doesn't mean you're powerful. We all know Fudge was weak and insecure although he was the minister of magic.
She was one of very few students that all IIvermorny houses wanted, which does not happen very often at all. That says that she is very gifted. It says on Wiki that anyone who has tried to cross her has lived to regret it.
Gifted, yes. Powerful enough to make a difference against Grindelwald? No.
+Daniel_V Exactly, also one of the many reasons Dumbledore never took the Minister of magic job.
"Do you think you can hold me" that line sent shivers throughout my body haha.
0:56 I like those expressions... The fear... It's good... It's must...
I really enjoyed this scene - particularly the way that madam president looked at Grindelwald's unleashed power.
Not sure why they say the dark lord was the most evil to ever live. I mean 7 books and there was nothing apart from the duel with dumbledore which was a draw at best. Whereas gellert here was total badass
Like u said, his duel with Dumbledore finished as a draw, while Grindewald loses it.
First wizarding war perhaps?
Felipe Medeiros In that duel Dumbledore wasn't even trying, even Voldemort got pissed off because of it because even though he was immortal he couldn't touch Deumbledore.
The duel between G&D lasted for hours, and this is when Dumbledore was in his dueling prime.
Leo Richards So from what u say, Voldemort is the most powerful dark wizard just cause Grindewald didnt showed his true strenght? Perhaps because his plans didnt require him to do so? Cause i believe none in the magical world knew about Voldemort immortality (If they knew, his reputation could have grown on this fact alone) but maybe he was just more violent than Grindewald, not more powerful. U may be right then.
Felipe Medeiros You read my comment wrong i was saying Dumbledore was the one not trying when he dueled Voldemort, and this was when Albus was not in his prime.
Its hard to say who is truly more powerful out of Voldy and Grind, they both have vast knowledge of the Dark arts, if Voldemort had his horcruxes then obviously he would win but without them its really hard to say.
Me personally would go for Grindelwald because even though Voldemort was very intelligent his arrogance blinded him as shown many times during the second wizarding war, even Grindelwald himself said that Voldemort was a powerful idiot as he didn't understand the elder wand or how to master it.
Damn Grindelwald is such a badass villain even better than Voldemort
I agree
He didn’t use fear it seems
In my opinion, I feared Grindelwald more than Voldemort
@@Zero-qy2rf tbh i would have feared voldy more, not because some are saying voldy is more powerful, but cuz he is a psychopath. He genuinely enjoys torturing, and murdering. He enjoys the fear he gave other people. Grindelwald, on the other hand seems to be much, much more sane than voldy. I mean, dude cant even understand love no more.
@@Frdkrgr1771 Voldemort did not used fear either. He used his magical powers...
Grindelwald weilds Mr. Grave's wand here. That is obviously not the elder wand. If you read the Elder Wand Wikia, it was passed from Grindelwald to Dumbledore to Draco Malfoy to Voldemort,then to Harry Potter. It was never owned by Tina or Newt (as some said Newt disarmed Grindelwald and Tina Accio the wand), it confirms that was not the elder wand
Don't underestimate a hufflepuff
This guy just solo fought off 13 fucking aurors!!!
boss350a i think it was 30
More like 50 of aurors.
Yet had tonthrow a car at Tina 😎
There's been so much negativity towards Johnny Depp's casting as Grindelwald and honestly, it's irritating.
We've only seen him as Grindelwald for just about a minute and that's barely enough to start saying he'll be terrible in the role. Besides, if Rowling believes he is the right choice then I'm confident. It's true he's not been on top form for a while now, but give him a chance. Playing the villain may suit him.
Personally I think his brief part was promising. He was chilling and the expressions he made (that smile he gives Newt as he's lead away) were spot on. And am I the only one who thinks the design of Grindelwald was great?
Just my opinion though.
People need to give him a chance. I am looking forward to seeing Johnny Depp as Grindelwald. People are always going to have something to disagree with.
Victoria Richardson Absolutely! I'm very much looking forward to his portrayal of Grindelwald too. Just as you said, people will always disagree on something.
Depp is a fantastic actor and has played and brought to life so many iconic and interesting characters (e.g Jack Sparrow) and his movies show he has the perfect range to play Grindelwald.
Some didn't like his "design" as Grindelwald but I think it looks fantastic. Instantly iconic and if the way he plays the character matches the appearance, he'll likely steal the show in the next few movies.
I completely agree. Technically speaking Grindelwald had about two minutes of actual screen time. But Johnny Depp owned those couple minutes. Just the right blend of elegence and crazy. Unlike Voldemort who was a mass murdering impulsive psychopath. Albeit an extremely powerful and genius level one. Grindelwald struck me as being a little classier in his craziness. Sort of like a Hilter and the Godfather comparison
The negativity has more to do with the twist being unnecessary and poorly executed, than who was actually cast as Grindelwald. It is quite obvious that Johnny Depp's head was sloppily edited into the scene, and that is Colin Farrell's body. It also does not help that his contacts are completely distracting, and his German/Austrian "accent" is terrible.
chocolateyes613 It's true there's no denying the editing was imperfect and the twist was at best unnecessary, but I did not say that was the main source of the negativity. What I meant was how most of the initial reaction towards Depp's casting was negative. I did not at all say it was the main source of the poor response to this scene. I was speaking distinctively about Depp's casting as a separate thing, not this scene.
Everywhere I have looked there is an overwhelming amount of criticism to Depp's casting. I personally find it infuriating when people decide how an actor will be in a role before they've even seen them completely in the role. There's a lot of examples of this and more often than not the actor excels and proves their detractors wrong.
Perhaps his accent wasn't perfect, but as I was trying to say, give him a chance.
I got chills in the theater when I saw this
Damn. I can't believe they replaced Johnny Depp with Mads Mikkelson. Huge fan of both actors, but Johnny made the character. Hope Mads lives up.
Still can't digest the fact that he won't be acting in the coming movies.. It's a shame. He lived as Grindelwald in this series.
"it's captain, captain grindelwald"
The level of non-verbal magic is just insane
I'm sure Johnny will do great in the role. I'm just sort of sad that Colin Farrell's character was wasted like that. Here's to hoping the real Graves pops up in the sequels
Real graves was murdered by grindelwald
Johnny Depp has so few lines in this movie but his delivery of them was so beautiful.
"I cannot be caged. I cannot be controlled. Understand this as you die, ever pathetic, ever fools! "
I love that before Grindelwald is arrested, Newt has that whole "take him away boys!" look on his face!
I wish he took out all of the aurors and as he was about to kill the president thats when Newt used the beast to capture him... too short... I can't wait for the next movie and hope to see Grindlewald kicking more ass
Tycho Thorpe If all the aurors were down, Newt’s beast wouldn’t have the chance to take him by surprise.
@@fakescorpion112 from behind was the ONLY way Newt was able to capture Grindelwald. He knew he couldn't take him to his face.
He would not have killed Seraphina lmfao she stood there for a reason but if she did have to draw her wand she wouldnt have perished mightve lost a battle but shed have gotten away, seraphina was president for a reason and americas first woman duelist champion.
That makes no sense, why would Newt wait for Grindelwald to take out more of the aurors? Also, Grindelwald wouldn't kill the President for no reason.
It’s unfortunate that he resigned from his role.
While I personally think it's bullshit how easily Grindelwald was taken down, at least it was from a surprise attack and not the director depowering him and letting a nobody like Newt or one of those Aurors beat him in a fair fight. Cause ain't nobody but Dumbledore doin' that.
No you're underestimating Newt, the man trained fucking dragons to fight in WW1 and tamed super monsters which he pull out of case like a Pokemon master.
@@li-limandragon9287 btw bro I think Grindelwald doesn't need dragons or even wands to fight.Look at his smirk in the last part..Its says something..and when he told this line "Do you think you can hold me?"...The President was quite terrified and have got goosebumps from that..
P.S.- Gellert Grindelwald isn't scared of beasts
@@asherreed490 well, we did see his escape in the 2nd movie..which was quite well executed, don't you think?
@@devan6935 yes it was...that line "I hate Paris" one and within fraction of second he disapparate...I like his style and that Protego Diabolica (The blue flames circle I mean )was awesome....
@@asherreed490 That and the fact it could've destroyed all of Paris after *he left* and required atleast a dozen or more witches and wizards including nicholas flamel to stop, when he wasn't even directly controlling it any more
I like how sometimes Newt uses creatures as weapons
Meanwhile voldemort ran away from auroras in ootp
Koba granted there were many dozens of aurors at the ministry, along with Dumbledore and most of the order. Even Voldemort isn’t stupid or arrogant enough to think he’d come out of that one unscathed.
He ran away from Aurors and Albus Dumbledore, who was Voldemort's equal in duelling ability. Voldemort had a good chance of beating Dumbledore in a one on one duel but even before the Aurors arrived, Dumbledore had two advantages. The first was stated in The Half Blood Prince with the quote "I taught Tom Riddle. I know his style". The second was that he was using the Elder Wand. Duelling Dumbledore whilst fending off a group of Aurors at the same time would be foolish.
@@tomnorton4277 Voldemort didn't stand a chance against Dumbledore
Colin was honestly the best part of this movie
They won't be able to hold him because everyone knows he gets imprisoned at Normengard.
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Yep then he dies by Voldemort in deathly hollows in the movie Voldemort just leaves him in the book Voldemort killed him.
im the type of guy who support the villain instead of protagonist, LOL
LOLOL HAHA
This villain is amazing. He has more power than Voldemort ever had. After this I see no reason to call Volly the most powerful wizard
OH EM GEE!! That's like a thing? You can root and hoot and HOLLA for someone who isn't the hero?!
@@socialaccounts1889 absolutely. Villains are the best
Me too tho
Grindelwalds sound track and his charisma is so damn good! An artistic brilliant yet Dark wizard perfection
Grindelwald casually taking on approximately 20 Aurors at once showed what a badass villain he is. He's like "Okay, fuck it, let's get this over with", then casually dispels their barrier and starts wailing on them without saying a word or even using any aggressive spells. Everything they throw at him is just deflected back at them like a lightsaber deflecting a blaster bolt. It's a nice contrast to Voldemort, who is much more aggressive.
However, this scene wasn't shot very well. They should have shown Grindelwald dropping his wand before Tina summoned it. Because they didn't do that most people, myself included, mistakenly thought that she just achieved mastery of the Elder Wand (the fact that Grindelwald wasn't actually using the Elder Wand means nothing because Draco Malfoy wasn't using it either when Harry achieved mastery). The Swooping Evil technically disarmed him and the Elder Wand doesn't recognise animals as its master, but we don't see the wand drop from Grindlewald's hand so it's very easy for people to think that it passed on to a new master in this scene.
Tom Norton If you read the original screenplay it highlights and fixes this issue.
Love how "madam president" is looking truly freaked out 0:56
"Who does this law protect? Us? Or *them?"* I agree so hard with this, I just--I can't-
Honestly, I don't understand why people said that Johnny Depp shouldn't be Gellert Grindelwald, I mean for gods sake! He was only in the movies for how long? 1-2 minutes? I mean, come on guys, just give the guy a chance to prove himself to you
Because Johnny Depp is a love-him-or-hate-him actor, and quite overexposed at this point. How many would-be franchises has he been in, during the past decade?
chocolateyes613 Ok, I see your point
me personally call me a perfectionist but I found him a too flamboyant for the character which ironically was the same problem I had with Ralph Fiennes doing Voldemort although in that case I suspect as with here they have purposely made a character less frightening then their book counterpart to make the films more family accessible (unfortunately the deathly hallows doesn't get that past because of the scene of Hermione being tortured in part 1)
actually no two different problems their Johny depp I found too Flamboyant Ralph Fiennes I just saw as being too human in his portrayal of Voldemort (that hug and awkward laugh from part two of the deathly hallows)
While Voldy wasn't that scary in the films, it kind of suited his character, I big point about Voldemort's character, is that he dosn't live up the hype, beneath all his reputation and mystique, he's just man who's everybit as fallible as everyone else.
Just what I expected from Dumbledore's archenemy. Grindelwald was using Graves' wand and yet if it wasn't for Newt's sneak attack, he would've defeat all aurors and president herself. The reason why Tom Riddle Jr was placed No.1 as most dangerous dark wizard of all time is because he was a psychopath who killed anyone standing in his way. In terms of leadership skills, understanding of human psychology, wisdom, and intelligence, Grindelwald was superior. If you read Deathly Hallow, you can see that even though he was already dead, Dumbledore had Voldmort on his palm. Dumbledore's planning skills and understanding of people's relations allowed him to completely toy with Riddle. Grindelwald's skills and intelligence are near mirror level of Dumbledore. In terms of over all skills, Grindelwald deserves No.1 in the list of most powerful dark wizard of all time. Unlike Grindelwald's ideology was somewhat understandable, Voldmort was using blood superiority as his tool for gaining more power for himself only.
Garammaru - Grindelwald is the #1 dark wizard, he’s only placed second cause the franchise came out second, Same reason Voldemort’s wizarding war is known as the first when there’s clearly Grindewald, only because she thought of his idea first but skillfully, Grindewald is more powerful then Voldemort. Especially Voldemort with the Horcruxes who was weak after them all being destroyed with a weak soul.
And now with Secrets of Dumbledore released, (SPOILER ALERT) Grindelwald is basically the same as Voldemort. He also thinks that Muggles poison blood purity and make the wizards weak.
It’s crazy just to imagine how actually powerful Grindelwald was, and how could it be if he had created Horcruxes for him. But is very important to say that Grindelwald didn’t created the horcruxes not because he couldn’t, he most like could have done as well, but he never was obsessed with immortality or afraid of dying like Voldemort was. As a matter of fact, he always knew what creating those would cost him, and that death is inevitable, which makes him at the very least, far more wise than Voldemort.
I personally think that Grindelwald was more powerful than Voldemort in terms of knowledge/spell skills, but Voldemort was far more cruel, destructive, and at his end almost irrational (also very skilled), which combined, made him even more dangerous than Grindelwald itself.
J.K. Rowling world is even more amazing when you can see the details she has created!
1:04 that moment was tina's biggest achievement in her life 😘😂😂😂😂
I remember leaning over to my friend during the scene of him questioning Newt and saying “He’s Grindelwald”
Let's face it: Newt is basically a Pokémon Trainer 0:56 when he releases his creature, it looks like a trainer sending their Pokémon out! The magical creature even makes a noise not unlike a Pokémon cry. Then it flies around to distract Grindelwald before Newt uses Power Whip/String Shot/Vine Whip (take your pick). When Newt calls it back, it seems to shrink and return to him, similar to a Pokémon!
As someone who has been a Pokémon and Harry Potter fangirl since i was a kid, i love this movie! I wish they hadn't cancelled the series.
And remember, Dumbledore was only a "shade" more powerful than Grindelwald. Admittedly, Grindelwald was using the Elder wand but then it could be said that Dumbledore beat/stalemated Voldemort too. Regardless of who's more powerful, these three are really in a league of their own
To bad Gilderoy Lockhart wasn’t there to save the day.
All the Aurors must've been shittin their pants seeing Grindelwald just casually walking up towards them, not even flinching.
0:38 "Fine, you wanna go, let's go"
i love that Grindelwald has had 3 wands😂, one for Grave’s, one of his own and then the Elder Wand..
idk why that just makes me laugh
newt looking down at the floor when grindlewald passing by, "fk fk fk fk what have I done"
One of my favourite scenes after opening scene
The moment he turned into his original self the moment he was calm as water.
Thank you !! :)
how was he able to hold his own and launch a counter attack at these many aurors? Astonishing!
"Do you think you can hold me?" - "Fuck no, you psychopath, you'll be put on trial today an executed tomorrow." - "Oh ... well shit."
End credits
"Who does this law protect, us or them?"
"Us. You'd know if you had studied History of Magic."
"It's pronounced GRINDEL-**V**-ALD!"
Aristide Twain American pronunciation my Friend. They fuck everything up.
Lol the girl who said Acio at 1:04 is now the master of the Elder Wand.
There is only one concrete rule in wandlore, wand chooses the wizard.😀
Watch closely, grindelwald was not having elder wand
@@legendgamerpro4653 neither was Draco when harry beat him, yet the elder wand still switched loyalties. watch closely.
No, actually we cant see it but, in the movie script it said that Grindelwald drop his wand to the floor before tina said "Acio" so that wand and the elder wand it still loyal to grindelwald
"Do you think you can hold me?"
"Good point. AVADA KEDAVRA!"
There will never be a more perfect gellert grindelwald.
I did some counting, there were about thirty Aurors present. And he looked like he was fending them off with relative ease. I'd say, Grindelwald and Dumbledore going head to head should be quite the sight, if David Yates don't mess it up.
I would actually be a Grindelwald fanatic if it wasn't for wanting to dominate muggles/no-mages. If it was just to reveal magic to them and be on all equal terms, then I'd go for it. His speech made me realise that, since it makes so much sense
wizards tried that once and it ended with a bunch of them getting burned or their heads cut off.
Grindelwald was right their choice was to rule the muggles or to hide from them
@@abboud6393 Wizards would have been no better than Muggles . It would lead to muggles being no more than lab rats if wizards ruled
@@hannahdyson5603 I didnt say wizards would be better rulers, I said that it would be better from the perspective of the wizards.
@@abboud6393 And would see the Muggles probably being wiped out from existence . They would have become as bad as muggles
@@hannahdyson5603 They wanted to rule muggles not wipe them out.
Also they wouldn't be as bad as muggles for two reason
firstly, they wouldn't execute people for how they were born
secondly they wouldn't be as bad because nobody would be forced to live in hiding.
Also I never said the wizards would treat the muggles well only that the wizards would themselves have better live.
That one sentence from Grindelwald. *goosebumps*
Johny cannot be replaced
I kind of wish no one stopped him and he was allowed to mow his way through 8 people.
GregTom2 - If anyone, it should’ve been Dumbledore using a godly spell to hold him, not newt who is weaker asf using a shitty bird or sum sort.
@@carlgordonjr hes the fucking main character of the whole series and its focus on the beasts
If I lived in this time I would be with Gellit cause he's kinda right what's the point in having magic if you can't use it and I wish he didn't get captured cause he's so bad ass
He will break free soon, he still needs to fight with Dumbledore after all~
Comicbook Lego Productions finally someone said it im in with you mate
These grindewald fanatics. The Order of Dumbledore will wipe you all out.
I think Grindelwald let himself get captured, he could have ran away(or Disapparated) after he dispelled the barrier but didn't
Yep, he does escape and is going to end up in Paris. (Next Film)
best Johnny Depp performance ever truely epic
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I think he is exceptionaly strong with protection charms, in. In this movie no single auror manage to get past his barier and even get countered and in the second movie he cast on of the most versatile spell, protego diabolica that protect him and attacking the aurors effectively
I think this is amazing casting, I honestly think Johnny Depp will be amazing as Grindelwald, he looks the part, and it's nice to see him doing something different away from Jack Sparrow and OTT Tim Burton characters
The way hes blocking 10-10 shots at a time is so sick 🔥
The chat Between Voldemort and Grindelwald in deathly Hallows.......gives me goosebumps