What Happens AFTER Fantastic Beasts 3? - Finishing the Story of a CANCELLED Franchise
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Hey everyone, welcome to Harry Potter theory. Because a new Fantastic Beasts film seems…Improbable at this point, today I’m going to be filling in the blanks, taking a look at those 13 long years (1932-1945) we may never get a chance to see on screen. I can only operate within the existing lore, so there’s certainly still going to be some missing information, but bare with me.
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What _should_ happen next is that Rowling authors some high quality prequels to base the FB movies on, and then give it another try in ten to fifteen years to tell a better story.
Fantastic Beasts, while not as iconic as Harry Potter, deserves another chance
You are definitely right!
They will just make everyone gay chickens.
@@Rockoblocko not really
The franchise has not officially been cancelled. The showrunner has said that that there is no script currently for a next movie. The franchise has been put on hold as it were. So with a bit of luck if the new HBO Max Harry Potter show will be popular, they might continue with the Fantastic Beasts franchise. Fingers crossed!
@@chesron456 fingers crossed
Now we'll never know why Dumbledore went from wearing sharp, three piece suits and trench coats to gaudy, medieval era robes.
I still vastly prefer Richard Harris’s depiction of Dumbledore: a regal, elegant figure that exudes power despite his calm persona, versus Michael Gambon, who was depicted as an old man in the midst of an ongoing manic episode, dressed as an unkempt hobo.
The main reason is, in the books, all wizards/witches wears robes. The Wizarding World is basically stuck in the medieval era and they all wear robes in different colors, the exception being Hogwarts Students who all wear black robes. The Movies changed that for some reason and people have taken that being the canon versions of their outfits.
He had his Coming out...the Closet...in new style
Or how does he go from looking like Jude Law to to looking like Michael Gambon in a span of a year. The events of secrets of Dumbledore are taking place in 1937 and he meets Tom Riddle in 1938 (I had to google that, actually thought it was a bit longer, nope - Albus went from Jude Law to Michael Gambon in a year. Must have been a really stressful year I guess🧐)
@@user-pz3qz4no8rdefo should’ve cast a young dumbledore in Harry Potter for that scene
I'm still mad that they have stopped making these it leaves those who actually loved them feeling incomplete.
I so wish J.K.Rowling would put pen to paper and write the entire series down in story form (not screen play) as I’d buy them and I’m sure a lot of fans of Harry Potter would as well.
Same!
@@mamiemini Start with Newt as a student and perhaps follow him on a journey to become the Magizoologist we see in the actual FB1 before continuing the story from there.
Yes extremely, I really want a series about the founders of hogwarts and when they first started hogwarts. We know barely anything about them, I'd love to know more!
She lost the magic when she finished the last book
@@source3nergy203 Maybe so. Maybe _trying_ to write this as a book could reignite it?
Replacing Johnny Depp because of allegations was the nail in the coffin.
mads did well, but firing johnny def ruined the hopes of keeping this series alive
Mads did a great job but many people were annoyed that Johnny Depp was fired from his role by Warner Brothers despite no proof against him & protected Ezra Miller for his roles in the Fantastic Beasts franchise & the DC franchise despite proof of his appalling behaviour and also protected Amber Heard even after proof that she did to Johnny Depp what she alleged he had done to her !!!
@@jacquicox4867Bingo! Their decision making was uh, odd to be mild 😅
I did prefer Mads over Depp. Depp is a good actor but I don't think he was right for the part. But what they did to Depp was despicable.
@@jacquicox4867 yep well said. I'd prefer Depp to stand back in he just fits the character better imo but like you said Mads is a great actor also. They got greedy and couldn't wait.
My theory for Nagini is that once she finally transformed she slowly lost her mind due to her isolation and her snake like nature became stronger so by the time Voldemort came along there was very little of her left.
I believe this as well yes.
What about Dumbledore introducing the two? I mean , when Credence finally passes away it seems possible to me that the Dumledores would thank the woman that was kind to him as long as he was with the circus. Later, when she transforms permanently to her snakeform Dumbledore could repay her the favour with introducing her to a boy that could talk to her and Tom Riddle, who is also lonely, to a snake he could be friends with.
@@marcelsgroot They reveal that maledictus eventually lose their entire human side which includes memories. Human-Nagini and snake-Nagini were completely different. I think they did this to showcase how drastic the change from human to animal is for a maledictus.
I agree but how does she remember her name? @TheLastCrow5150
I thought credence was snapes dad 😂
I hate unfinished stories. I sincerely hope they make 4 and 5 one day. Maybe the new Harry Potter series coming out will get the hype back up.
No, please!
I agree I hate that we dont get to see the duel between grindewald & Dumbledore!! mostly because it was such a big deal int the Harry Potter series!!!! & wb is throwing blame for the lower box office on everything else like J.K Rowling & Johnny Depp they dont seem to understand how expensive it is for hard working people to go the movies post covid & their disgusting greed they want blockbuster box office totals instead of making quality movies that the fans can enjoy as an escape!!!!!! I personally would watch another movie or 2 if & when they apologize publicly to the fans of the franchise & Johnny Depp for wrongfully fired him over baseless ,malicious lies that he was the abuser meanwhile we all now know he was the abused !!! & they were also stupid enough to keep not only the abusive amber turd in aqua man 2 but they also kept the other abusive actor Ezra Miller too!!!!! the double standard bullshit excuses are disgusting & maybe the real reason their movies dont make the money they want!!!!!! in my opinion they should try to get Johnny back at least for the duel with Jude Law's Dumbledore that alone would be the reason why I would go see that movie but after the public apology to Johnny & the fans & make it as a public service message that no matter gender, skin color, race, & sexuality abuse comes in all forms!!!! & its unacceptable !!!!!!
personally, i believe Albus found it it was his spell in a yet unseen battle with Grindelwald. When Harry mentions the Priori Incantatem, he instantly says "you saw your parents that night". He probably saw Arianna come from his wand in a duel with Grindelwald.
Thanks I forgot about that.
This is false as it was stated Harry's wand and voldemorts are twins so when they connected it caused priori icantatum that's the only reason that happened because their wands are twins.
@@NiNGeXx Prior Incantato is simply a charm that forced a wand to show an "echo" of the last spell it had performed. Its counter-charm was the Eradication Spell, which removed these images. it can happen unintentionally when they have core wands, but the spell can happen at other times. If the spell was the killing curse, it results in the spirit images. Amos Diggory cast this spell on Harry Potter's wand in the aftermath of the Death Eater attack at the 1994 Quidditch World Cup, in order to determine whether he conjured the Dark Mark over the campsite. Its probably what Bellatrix would have done to Hermiones wand at Malfoy Manor.
Wow, your hypothesis about Ariana being the master of the wand (temporarily) is genius. Kudos for that.
Yes, it seems very in character as the sort of thing he would confess to Harry in one of his end-of-book office hours shame spirals
While I don't see the need for 5 films, I do think it was unwise of them to not at least make one more and wrap it up showcasing the duel we've all wanted to see...
Fantastic Beasts could have attempted the fourth installment by bringing Johnny Depp back as Grindelwald, which might have drawn audiences back to theaters. Due to his recent personal turmoil, Depp's career in major studio films has been in the shadows, so his return to a significant role could have rekindled interest in the series and brought people back to theaters. In the third installment, Mads Mikkelsen, who replaced him, also suggested handing back the role to Depp in the fourth installment following Johnny's trial victory.
Nah Mads is fine as Grindelwald
@@megaham1552 Mads Mikkelsen is a fantastic actor as well, but that role was originally meant for Johnny Depp, and it's always nice to see the original actor return to a role.
Agree
Rolf is the grandson, not son of Newt and Tina.
Yes, thank you, otherwise Luna would have married someone born in the late 40s...
I truley wish they continued with a 4th and 5th film. Fantastic Beasts series brought more magical animals then Harry Potter did and we got to c more places then our favorite castle. Don't get me wrong, like any other potterhead, I love the og storyline. But these prequels brought out more pieces to the wizarding world and expanded it for us.
The reason why these movies didn't attract audiences is because, similarly to The Hobbit, the plot was really, really really dumbed down. It's the marvel effect, with cheap anti-climatic laughs. People here are so enthralled by anything Harry Pottery that most fail to see this simple fact. By all accounts these were pretty bad movies.
@@rawdoncrawley189 Exactly. Most of the people in these threads just have utterly no understanding of how the world works. Secrets of Dumbledore, on a $200 Million budget, had to earn roughly $800 Million just for the studio to have any chance whatsoever of making money. When the entire series has been a stale, convoluted mess, the studio needs a little bit more of a return on that investment, other than "bringing more magical animals". 🙄 This is a business.
I think it'd be a smart move to literally wait the 12ish years from end of FB3 to when the final battle between Dumbledore and Grindelwald takes place...and release a final FINAL installment of this series. This allows the actors to age up realistically, a breather for the bad PR that plagued the first 3 to be forgotten, giving the franchise the ability to wrap that story up with the centerpiece action being depicted, and...bring in a different actor for Grindelwald. Why? It would mean each installment will have had a different actor playing that role, making the recasting of Depp in FB2 be WAY LESS NOTICEABLE in rewatches. If it's just the norm that Grindelwald changes his face every few years, that abrupt change from JD to LM in FB3 seems more natural. Imo.
Grindelwald becomes a sort of evil Doctor Who of sorts.
This would be great if it happens.
Or recast Dumbledore. After all the face changing did start with him.
I don't think it needs to be that long
Why Tina had a drastically reduced role in Secrets: I think I read that actress Katherine contracted a prolonged case of COVID before production began, so Tina's role had to be rewritten By giving Bunty the bigger role and giving her Tina's role in the story.
I always felt that they maybe, wrote Jacob in to take Tina' roll, since in my opinion it doesn't male any sense to bring a totally helpless muggle to those wizrad fights.If he would have insisted to go by himself to rescue his love and the others finally agree because they relize how important it is to him and that he is willing to risk his life to just do something, I would have understood it, but they had to literally convince him to go with them. Why? (And i like Jacob the most of all of the fantastic beast charcters, but it STILL doesn' make any sense at the end of the day).
The fantastic beasts story should have been another set of books first before they tried making films. Though it wouldnt do anywhere near as well for either medium at this point, its still not too late as its sadly the only real way we're gonna get a good ending for it. Plus honestly i'd take the chance to rewrite a few parts that really should have gone differently
Woooooo very glad you’ve made this, as rough as the movies were getting I hate nothing more than an unfinished story
Do you think the title emphasizes what the video is about well enough?
@@HarryPotterTheory maybe not I thought it’d be like ur take on the plot of each movies like basically writing it and telling us ur take 😂maybe optimistic but could be a cool video idea
I always felt there would be another plot twist comming, already hinted by Rita Skeeter in the Harry Potter series - „that there was no spectacular duel of legend, but that Grindelwald simply conjured a white handkerchief from the end of his wand and came quietly“.
As it was in the last Fantastic Beast movie when they both could not bring themself to actually kill each other, I think that this might have happened again but in a much more obvious situation. They duell in an epic way and somewhere during this duell Grindelwald disarmed Dumbledore but could not actually bring himself to kill him. Dumbledore could then get back his wand and disarm Grindelwald. Dumbledore would then learn from Grindelwald that this really was the elder wand and he was its master now. And it would also explain why he never again tried to excape and why he laughed at Voldemort and told him he would never understand the elder wand itself.
I think it would be epic as described by eye witnesses to Elphias Doge. Where Grindelwald forces amazing magic through the elder wand, even though I like this Ariana theory. That magic so powerful was used that actually made it completely terrifying. Fawkes with some epic magic against the Elder Wand. Master of Transfiguration Doubledore. We've seen him use water and fire. So seeing that and then Earth and Air based spells (he used one to slow Harry down that they called Arresto momentum but that was defensive). That light shield was epic against Voldy. Light armor at his prime world be epic. (Like Aang uses crystals and rocks). Allowing him to move faster as he's surrounded by his own magic. Overwhelming GG's power with astonishing magic even he can't comprehend. Like the earth spell I thought to show it's his B. The way he Avatared that water ball and created a fire tornado at death's door. An Earth Dragon that physically destroys Gellert while his ancient magic overwhelmed him mentally. And instead of surrendering he fights to the End but Dumbledore can't bring himself to do it but the unicorns he nearly brought to extinction think otherwise and deliver the magical final blows. With Dumbledore bringing the unicorns to the Forbidden Forest as a way to bring them back from the verge of extinction. (Since only one single dead one was shown but then a whole herd were revealed later as listening to Acting Professor Grubbly-Plank implying familiarity with Hogwarts staff). And we know for a fact Dumbledore provides Ollivander with wand cores. Building up to Grindelwald using unicorns the most powerful magical creatures that literally represent immortality. Move faster than werewolves (to the point where Hagrid completely dismissed one chasing down even a baby) and are only seen at Hogwarts Forbidden Forest across all mediums (so far).
Always thought fourth film was gonna be about dragons.
And the fifth film about unicorns. Since Newt himself in the passage he writes describes them as one of the most magical creatures there are. And we've seen a few of the others. So the scaling of what they're capable of is gonna be legendary. (Note no dragon has such a description).
Shame that we'll never see it.
Why would the elder wand be set on Dumbledore?
The producers should see sense and give Depp the role of Grindelwald back now that he’s proven innocent.
But we know how it ends. Dumbledore duels him for 3 hours and imprisons him in his own prison until Voldemort finds him seeking the Elder Wand
I will never get over how close we were to dumbledore vs grindlewald
4: Love in the time of Dragons.
Have to bro. Since they love each other and WW2 kind of pops off at the same time. Dragons fighting would be epic. Dumbledore famously discovers all the 12 uses of Dragon's Blood. I MEAN COME ON. COME ON WB PLEASE. THERE WAS GONNA BE DRAGON BLOOD SPILLED EVERYWHERE. HOW DARE YOU TEASE .... Where was I? Oh and lastly...
5: The Stick of Destiny
But centered around unicorns being weaponized to commit travesties against the muggles during their war. Their incredible speed and tails of magic on top of horns that can cure being used for evil. Forces Dumbledore to act as their numbers plummet (they're only ever shown in the Forbidden Forest and Hagrid is specifically shown to be in charge of guarding them in the first film them being nearly brought to extinction in the rise of Grindelwald and Dumbledore acting against them as the master of Dragons). But trying to keep them all alive in vain. Saving their species as he breaks the Elder Wand's mastery in defeat of his lover. But can't deal the final blow but Gellert tries. (The unicorns snapping out of their massive Imperius curse would be epic as they don't typically attack anyone according to Hagrid. So them jumping in after Dumbledore takes the elder Wand but Grindelwald pops out the concealed strap (his original wand) from the non wand hand only to get horned (them being able to cast spells from their horns would be epic. Fawkes being present as A unicorn horn burns his original wand with the golden fire Harry uses against Dumbledore. While permanently causing pain to his arm would be how I saw it. Since nobody has any clue where the golden fire comes from (but unicorns start gold and turn white over the course of seven years the most magical of numbers as Voldy said). Bro UNICORNS. Newt wrote it in the damn book. ONE OF THE MOST MAGICAL CREATURES.
Dragons and Unicorns is what WB left on the table. That fifth film probably goes Avengers level if it teases a WW2 back drop and Dumbledore riding into an army of flying unicorns on the back of a fully grown Hungarian Horntail or even better... A NORWEGIAN RIDGEBACK as to why Both Riddle and Hagrid would think so highly of one. Epic!!!!! Damnit WB you made it about fantastic beasts. You Albus who's completely tied to dragons. And you never once acknowledged the only creature that Newt showed nothing but obvious bias towards their magical power. (mumbles several French words...) Amber (several more French) Heard.
Wait I think there is a mistake about Newt and Tina. You said they had a son named Rolf and he married Luna making them great-grandparents. But Rolf was their grandson not their son.
I liked The Secrets of Dumbledore and thought it was okay, but I guess they consider anything less than a blockbuster hit a failure. It wasn't a failure, but it wasn't a hit either. It was 'meh' all around. Losing J. Depp certainly was unacceptable to many fans and Ezra Miller's issues wasn't helpful either.
Packing the "Secrets of Dumbledore" into Fantastic Beasts was a horrible mistake. Albus Dumbledore, one of the most important and beloved characters that JKR created, should've gotten a film of his own with seriousness and proper story telling...
And likewise, (if made at all) Newt deserved his own spinoff to properly expand the universe. Here's hope to a Hogwarts founders spinoff as well
Also one of the most hated characters as well, but i agree they should have split them up completly
THANK YOU! I COULD CRYYYYY. I have been wanting to know but have no time to read the books these days. You're the best! Keep up the good work.
Glad I could help!
It doesn't seem likely that Rolf Scamander would be the son of Newt. Rather I think he's the grandson. Just look at the timeline and age difference this would have put between Luna and Rolf.
She should have created a written canon first. If she didn't want to start a new series of novels, she could have guided another author to do it, or perhaps a graphic novel. THEN they could have created adapted screenplays with more depth than whatever the final cut was that came from the editor. If something hit the cutting room floor, it would still have existed in the original work can could be used later.
Blame the twitter trolls spamming TERF lmao
Exactly to be honest. All of these spin offs would probably be significantly better if they started off as well thought out, established story following novels, and were then made into movies. Rather than really mediocre, contradictory scripts and plays being put out and Rowling putting her name onto them. Obviously Rowling has done well enough off the original Harry Potter series meaning there probably isn’t much incentive to write more long(ish) series set in that world, but the quality would have been significantly higher if she had. Not that the spin offs are necessary. No sequel is really needed at all, and the prequels, while they had potential as stories were terribly executed and have honestly been rather underutilised.
Man I'm so sad she stopped writing WW novels. There's so much that could've been
Awesome thoughts! The thing that stuck out most to me though was the timeline to when Nagini became a horocrux. The main stories state that Harry was to be the last one. This means Nagini was already a horocrux before the night Harry survived.
Other than that, I think you’ve got some pretty good insight and I appreciate the quick recap of the films so far!
Harry to be the last Horcrux to die (otherwise Harry would have died too) ... doesn't matter what order they were made - hope that clears it up for you 👍
@@lizbird9628 respectfully, I disagree. I am unable to cite my conviction at this time, but there are several other people who agree with you, so I am willing to be wrong.
However, I will state my conviction and maybe someone can site the text (not an online forum).
I “remember” reading that Voldemort came to the Potters ready to make a horcrux. I “remember” (I think from Dumbledore) that his final horcrux would be made with *the Chosen One* (poetic, really, that lucky number seven would be made with “the one” who could defeat him). I do not remember anything about Bertha (Bathilda) becoming a horcrux, I thought Bertha (Bathilda) was worn as a skin by Nagini. That, in and of itself, does not mean that’s the time Nagini became a horcrux. I maintain she was a horcrux the entire time or Harry would not have been able to see through her eyes in Order of the Phoenix.
Again, I cannot cite page number for the conversation, I think it’s in Half-blood Prince, but it will take me time to re-read the book.
@matthewnewbold8691 I'm not arguing the order that the horcrux's were made ...
I also felt that in Goblet of fire - Harry sees from Nagini's perspective, Barty Crouch Jr with V, he felt like he killed the old man. Then in Order of Phoenix, he felt it was him who had attacked Mr.Weasley.
Therefore, Nagini became a Horcrux at some point after Harry (most likely when "scabbers ran off at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban), but before that.
I'm saying that when Dumbledore said Harry must be the last ... that he meant Harry needed to be the last to die.
Oh wait, I get you now - Voldemort intended Harry's death that night in Godricks Hollow to make his last Horcrux. His soul split into 7 pieces. Instead, this occurred with the death of Lilly rebounding on "love" magic Harry became the Horcrux. V didn't know that he made that Horcrux. Therefore, he created one in Nagini. This required a death ... we are led to believe that was Bertha Jorkins (Chapter 1) Goblet of Fire. Also this is when Frank dies ...
Don't forget 7 pieces of soul (so 6 Horcrux's plus V himself makes the 7) 1. Voldemort 2. Diary 3. Ring 4. Locket 5. Goblet 6. Diadem 7. made Nagini, as he failed to kill Harry and make one in Godrick Hollow. (He didn't realise Harry was one till later).
Never understood the hate for the films, they was all decent.
It's because people took the most wrong impression ever from the first movie. Somehow, they thought it'd be a Pokemon with magic, even since the first movie showed that it's about a pacifist being forced to be involved in a war he was avoiding.
And, because of that, the third movie kinda ruined the potential of the franchise by taking the LeSs iS mOrE approach to the extreme when it was promising a badass sequence on the third act.
I even wrote and published an article about how people's misunderstanding of the franchise was the problem all along.
"people's misunderstanding of the franchise was the problem all along" while 1000000% accurate....misses the more important point: the movies didn't allow themselves to be understood by its audience. Yes, art is for the artist....but this was, from the beginning, not intended to be a young writers expression of art in writing like HP was. This was an established multi millionaire wanting to flex their skills by doing it themselves (screenwriting vs novel writing) while making bank for the studios. Something was overlooked in all process and I feel it was due to pride and arrogance - the real connection and spirit of the story was never made. It was just assumed people would pick it up. It wasn't.
@@RodrickMarsMoon I agree you are not wrong in much of this.. but I feel the line doesn't follow quite from "what has been told"... remember a lot of people come either from the book or from the movies (obviously there are overlapping).
But all together a lot of "potterheads" got an ick from the movies by how the titles were written or the titles insinuated "and where to find them" insinuates we will get to know the fantastic beasts and actually explore their inhabitat, or that "they have been living among us all along" type of thing.. yet in the movies (both the HP and Fantastic beast) we basically get introduced to a suitcase full of them...
The second one "Crimes of Grindelwald" we gets snippets and pieces of what his crimes are and how he is "doing the final stretch"
The Third one "secrets of Dumbledore", obviously we found out about Aurelius, but it alofted to the whole ordeal in which.. WE or majority of us alteat expected it to be a secret for the Dumbledore in which we saw in HP, get a glimpse of him and his... not that "taaadaaaa.. you're an uncle" (obviously there's the blood pact and the love between him and Gellert).
not to mention, in how things were mentioned before hand, it leaves a sour taste in peoples mouth.. the big duel Gellert and the two Dumbledore brother's fighting Gellert.. Ariana coming forth and getting killed... this was insinuated in the later Harry Potter movies as being the rift that split the Dumbledore brothers.
This is insinuated to be the "big downfall" of Gellert.
Now (in the movies) it's just a "eeeeh, one dumb thing led to another dumb thing, the whole thing was dumb and she died"
I think people expected them to be a prequel to main Harry Potter series, and while in some ways they were, in a lot of ways they weren’t. I had always heard that the “Fantastic Beasts” series of movies were NOT to be treated as a prequel to the main series.
@@coreymcdonald7745 that is also a statement I can agree 100% on.. that.. they were expected to be within the exact same setting and "lore wise" follow everything to a T to the movies of Harry Potter.
But instead were a seperate adaptation of source material closely related with some overlap of names.
I wonder if Nagini even remembered any of her human past. Maledictus eventually lose their entire human memories. They'll eventually give in completely to their animal side; that includes memories.
She ate people! If she remembers her human past and can do THAT then that would make her even worse than we thought!
Not quite as much as the originals but I love the Fantastic Beasts films because they have a unique charm, especially the first two and I was sad to not see it finished.
So sad that this series was cancelled. I wanted to see the outcomes of Jacob and Queenie, and Newt and Tina. Both were such wonderful couples. And of course, I'm sure the advent of Riddle would have been worked into the story, as well as the Nagini narrative.
It's not sad that it got cancelled, it's sad that it got butchered like this. When the age of madness ends I hope someone will do it again better.
It never cancelled, more like put on hold
@@megaham1552 Every discussion I've seen on UA-cam...and I follow several....has reported the franchise was cancelled.
As much as I hate to say it, I think Mads probably should've been cast as Grindelwald from the very beginning. (As much as I love Johnny, I really didn't like the whole Heterochromic look with his eyes, that skull bong, and how he could sometimes go OTT even in quiet, simple moments. Then there's Johnny playing him as British, which he wasn't. Mads's accent is perfect, as it has a very continental European feel to it (I mean, he is Danish after all.). We have to remember that Gellert was born in the Austro-Hungarian empire at the end of the 19th Century (the countries in that Empire would later become Austria, Hungary, The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia) and he went to Durmstrang, so he would've probably spoken with an accent closer to any one of those countries. Plus I felt Johnny could over-egg the pudding, or go OTT, even in quiet moments. But Mads just seemed to know when to keep his performance as real as possible without going into hysterics. He knew when to hit the "stop" button before he took it too far. And his chemistry with Jude Law was outstanding. The tea scene was a major standout in the third film, as was the final fight in Bhutan where they both stop the fight when they notice they have their hands over each other's hearts, and realize that there is still love there, at least on Grindelwald's side. I'll always agree that Warner Brothers did Johnny something dirty based on unfounded accusations, yet had no problem keeping Ezra Miller onboard, when some of what he's been accused of is actually provable. But I do think Mads was a better Grindelwald. (There, I've said my bit. Bombard me with flames if you must)
The franchise has not officially been cancelled. The showrunner has said that that there is no script currently for a next movie. The franchise has been put on hold as it were. So with a bit of luck if the new HBO Max Harry Potter show will be popular, they might continue with the Fantastic Beasts franchise. Fingers crossed!
they literally announced they cancelled the 4th and 5th movies
Thankfully there are still people such as yourself(@chesron456) who can discern between what is fact and what is fiction. I'm on board with your assessment regarding this matter and will have my wands crossed along with you🪄.
@@StarForgedTCG - No, they did not. The original agreement was for three movies, and WB made a trilogy. Also, even if “Secrets of Dumbledore” earned $1bil at the box-office, the franchise would have been paused due to the cast and crew working on other projects. They were going to take a break regardless.
I’m gonna say it: I LOVED the Fantastic beast series…
The first one I thought was a great start. Wasn’t anything out of this world, but I enjoyed the story, enjoyed the characters (specifically Newt, which is one of the reasons I loved the ‘trilogy’ so much), and enjoyed all the magical aspects!
The second one, I agree, was a bit mediocre. I came out of the theater not particularly disliking it, but not loving it either. I kinda completely forgot what happened after a few months. A few months after seeing it in theaters, I rewatched it and actually really enjoyed it! I agree it wasn’t perfect, and not as good as the first, but I still liked it in the end.
Now the third I LOVED. I still can’t get over how much I enjoyed it. I think I can confidently say it’s my favorite Harry Potter movie of all time. I loved all the characters, I was intrigued with the story, and THE MAGIC AND FIGHTS WERE AWESOME.
They couldve literally combined FB4 with Tom Riddles backstory. It would fit perfectly
Fantastic Beasts Movies were Excellent but people had more Expectations they started comparing those movies to the Iconic Harry Potter Series. If they were seen Differently they would have been Iconic too in a Different Way.
At least the first one got an Oscar though so they were not all bad
I just think it'd be really cool to do like a TV series based off fantastic beasts .. focus on the creatures❤
...or a mocumentary. Baby nifflers and Moon calves 😍
Thank you so much for making this video I appreciate it great
Hold up. I'm pretty sure Rolf was the grandson of Tina and Newt. Otherwise, him and Luna would have an age gap of about 30-40 years.
It should have been called "Dumbledore's back story".
While I liked the movies, I wanted more creatures and more tricky situations, ya' know, Fantastic BEASTS.
I guess I didn't realize the direction of the story was going to center on Dumbledore so much. I certainly didn't get that impression from the first movie.
Glad your channel grow
I think a major aspect of the Fantastic Beasts failure was due to the over reliance of Credences character to help drive the narrative, while you already had such a massive driving force, that being Dumbledore and Grindelwald. After film one there was zero purpose to Credence’s existence in the franchise and it ultimately led to the highly controversial detail of him being a Dumbledore. Especially when it went against canon pretty hard. He could’ve remained simply as a muggle born who was an Obscurial that died at the end of the movie. That’s that. But keeping him around without reason was highly unnecessary and in the end led to disaster.
I also find your Ariana’s Death theory pretty interesting. I always thought (since the introduction of the concept of an Obscurus) that Ariana was herself an Obscurus and during a feud between Albus, Aberforth, and Grindelwald, where they began dueling, had an outburst of Dark Obscurial magic that killed her.
They cut Johnny but they kept Ezra….. no wonder it flopped.
I really loved all three movies. I love the actors and the stories I am sad there are no more and that we never get to see the end
Thankyou for the video!
Awesome as always thanks
And Hagrid plays somewhere in the events that he saves dumbledore's life because we haven't seen that yet.
I personally think everything about the Harry Potter universe fits the 1800s very very well. I really hope we get more from this time period.
I think the films will continue. But time is needed after everything and to re evaluate and consider where to go next and ensure the story stays cohesive. I thought the plots did well but so much emptiness in scenes and actions were evident
I'm certain Fantastic Beasts 4 and 5 would've been like The Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith of the Harry Potter franchise. Everything connecting together, the ancestors of Harry Potter's generation being introduced, and the overall stage being set for the Harry Potter movies to take shape. Such a shame this didn't come to pass for obvious real world reasons.
This "trilogy" ended similarly to the Narnia movies made by Disney and Fox where they had to cut it short in part 3 despite more movies being planned. Which is why the third film ended on a satisfying note, even though Lucy said they had a lot more adventures in Narnia after the war ended but those were other stories for another time. Basically giving up and not adapting the remaining books into film.
Thanks for the great videos. I think in time, people will grow to love FB as much as the SW fans eventually loved the prequels
Got into 2:50 mark where you say about it 'halting'
it wasn't halted, it was cancelled. Since first they had to hire a new person for Grindlewald, but then a certain actor, Ezra, fucked right up and ruined everything even more by doing crimes, so Warner bros just couldn't replace another actor again when he played a big role. he might have *barely* avoided prison by paying tons of money, but Warner bros isn't the type to hire back people who they see as 'criminals'. Yes they say 'indefinitely paused' which is just fancy words for.. Cancelled.
Credence is dead though
I mean who wants a child abducter to Promo Tour for a children's movie?
And There is even video material of ezra body slamming a girl... and had half a dozen victims and even more witnesses claiming similar occasions.
Grindelwald was exchanged for less evidence.
As I have stated before, the Elder wand had "allegiance" to no one, hence why it is so "temperamental". The Elder wand never "selected" a witch or wizard. The Elder wand whose true owner was Death was "given" to Perveral without the wand "selecting" him. Therefore he was not the owner and every time the wand changed hands from then on, it merely was passed to whomever was the strongest. Again with it not "selecting" an owner. This is why no one could wield the wand to it's fullest potential, including Voldermort after he stole the wand from Dumbledore's tomb. The true owner became Harry Potter when he "defeated" Death in the Deathly Hallows. This is why Tom Riddle could not defeat Harry in their duel at Hogwarts. The wands "allegiance" was with Harry and therefore would not harm him and allowed Tom to be defeated.
I've always figured it was Harry getting up after Voldemort killing him in the forest that really won the wand's allegiance. By getting up after that, he'd managed to literally overpower death, the wand's true master.
That would make sense but I feel that would've been explained at the end of the movies
The biggest reason why Grindlewald was worse than Voldie; Grindlewald was not afraid of death, while Voldie feared it like no other
Had to rewatch start to finish in one go cause the first time i saw it in parts such a good video!
Loved this series with no shame. JACOB Should have been the one the Qilin bowed too. Damnit ROWLING.
But such a crazy tease was left. As Dumbledore is famous for discovering the twelve uses of a certain fantastic beast's blood that was yet to be highlighted...
And we know he didn't spill that blood himself....
You seriously teased us with a dragon war with WW2 popping off right at the same time (they were in France for the Second film). Frustrated groan.
But it is a series about Newt and there's three fantastic beasts in that book he isolated for the respect they carry and described it as beautiful and having a justified muggle press (implying our versions of flying on rainbows and shooting laser beams-magic from their horns are actually ACCURATE!!!!!). The other two have already been shown. Merpeople and Centaurs. What do they all have in common..... HOGWARTS.
They really left us a wizarding war with dragons being murdered during WW2. And unicorns flying on rainbows and unleashing hell (i always thought that once Albus makes dragons his total B!!!) As Grindelwald would bust a Voldy and force wizards to either slaughter unicorns. Or just stand by as he uses them to finish his war. As no one would dare. Having put an army under an elder Wand powered Imperius Curse.
The two most magical of beasts with direct ties to THE FIRST FILM. The companion book itself and with the potential to be the single biggest box office hit in WB history. After everyone and their mother watches a two minute trailer of WW2 wizards fighting alongside muggles as Grindelwald Burns the forests of Europe. (Actually happened) With what dragons he has left to reveal the habitats of Unicorns. A single tease of him gripping the elder wand as he points it at a unicorn. (We think he's gonna spill it's blood!)
With Newt begging Dumbledore to act as he himself has had to kill unicorns to protect muggles. Feeling the weight of this innocent man betraying the things he loves because of the evil Gellert unleashed finally brings him to act....
Cut to a Grindelwald for the greater good.
(As unicorns dive bomb into the middle of muggle battles, since Americans would be present the American, French, and British aurors all taking up arms would be canon. Introducing a bad ass Canadian auror would be cool for film iv).
With the final shot tying it all back to The Philosopher's Stone as Dumbledore rides in on a Norwegian Ridgeback against an army of flying unicorns (the trailer would just show him).
FANTASTIC BEASTS AND THE STICK OF DESTINY
The actual scene would feature the many warriors of good aboard their own flying creature that they mastered, For example Theseus or Aberforth would totally make thestrals their B both witnessing their most beloved person die in front of them like Luna did but with actual combat experience!
A winged horse. Bring back the Thunderbird! A Phoenix can carry several humans weight.
But Newt has to be on a Hungarian Horntail the one he describes as the most dangerous. But not to him!!!!!
The fourth one would be Love in The Time of Dragons like without question. 😂 THEY REALLY INTRODUCED DUMBLEDORE THE MASTER OF DRAGON BLOOD IN A SERIES ABOUT MAGICAL CREATURES AND NOT ONCE. NOT A SINGLE TIME. Referenced any dragons when he was present. Damnit Rowling. Damnit Yates. SOMEBODY PLEASE JUST EAT CROW call up Johnny. Kill Aurelius off screen. Nobody would mind at all. And just give us this dragon blood being spilled!!! And show us why Unicorns are mentioned as having earned their muggle mythical status. They almost introduced the Griffin too. (I mean why is that a part of Dumbledore's office!) A series about magical creatures that was clearly building up to be a bloody war epic that involved dragons, Unicorns - that has an additive note after the original 1927 publishing in the book; implying Newt witnessed something himself to confirm the muggle legends. And so far not yet seeing that in the two films after that date. Is blasphemy!
A unicorn burning Grindelwald's original wand with golden fire after Dumbledore defeats him and still can't kill him but earns the Elder Wand's allegiance in that act of love. (Showing Dumbledore that power in it's full glory). Only confirmed by the unicorns intervening no longer under his mass Imperius curse. As Fawkes is present for a magic nobody else understood. (After Dumbledore's death). Since they actually go from gold to glowing white over the course of seven years. The most magical of numbers. Out of every dragon in the world Voldy chose that one and we know it's not the most powerful but what if it was the most notable! Like Dumbledore's dragon that he would adopt in the fourth film and ride into battle for the fifth. If only... Great video. Really glad I'm not the only one thinking about it. I only could think about the Albus, Gellert and Newt parts cause they kind of wrote about them already. Gonna rewatch it a third time just to picture their roles in the crazy war we'll never get.
Another great video
I got the first movie on dvd but when I saw scenes from the next movie I skipped it. I didn't understand why Dumbledore would wear a suit especially a normal suit as the only time he wears one in the books it's a vibrant shade of plum I believe.
I didn’t know no new films were coming. That’s a bummer. Glad they got the Queenie Jacob storyline tied up.
This was so good I have to watch it again!
I remember going to see Secrets of Dumbledore in the cinema. I was in London for work, I had some time before work started so I went to one of the cinemas in Leicester Square, quite a popular place in London. I was the only person watching the movie, and it was in IMAX which felt so weird being the only one there.
In Germany the Cinema was Filles as regular...even though We chose a day and time with little Traffic. Mainly jobless young men were watching...and Teen boys who skipped school.
GOOD JOB HPT! Fantastic video :)
I really enjoyed these movies but what made me angry was warner bros treatment of Johnny Depp. Love Mads but Johnny made grindelwald. It was more the company than the movie for my dislike. But glad to see your video filling in the blanks ❤
Grindlewald had the Elder Wand for a short time, and during the duel Ariana subdued Gelart, temporarily give her ownership of the Elder Wand. Then Dumbledore accidentally killed Ariana making him the master of the wand. GG flees and all the while AD was the true master of the wand. When the legendary duel took place, the wand although in GG possession, he wasn’t the master of it. Just like in DH book 7, the wand went to Harry after a period of time; hence why the fight/duel was so intense as GG was no joke, and neither was AD. Sadly, we’ll never see the duel, but that’s my take on what happened; although I maybe wrong! 😂
Need to make more like these
This is a really intelligent analysis
How can they not continue…. The only thing I wish to see is Dumbledore and Grindelwalds legendary duel!
I’m with you!! They were never meant to be like the Harry Potter series! They are meant for a more grownup sort of audience and are their own story, set in early 1900s and bringing in the world wars in the muggle world would to me not be so appealing if I were still a child!! I honestly am very sad because, how can any Harry Potter fan honestly say they don’t want to see the famous duel between Dumbledore and Grindlewald? Like really? Dragons!! Unicorns!!! Tom Riddle being born?? So much of this we just heard about in Harry Potter, when he Got Dumblores card on the train to Hogwarts!!! I want to see the damn fight brought to life!!!!
@@lesliecastillologan5224 exactly! You can’t have basically one of the most wanted to see things in the original series basically hinted at in the ending of the last film and not follow through with it!
It was the most legendary duel of all time. And we want ittttt 😂😫
@@nickstahhhh it feels so good to hear someone else who feels the exact same way that I do!! Every other so called wizarding world lover just hates on fantastic beasts and I think if they could watch the most amazingly legendary duel of all time that they would change their minds!!! Warner Bros. Please give the true fans what they want!!!!! I seriously want to see the Dragons and the Unicorns and just epic elemental old ass magic 🪄 brought to life. I’m getting goosebumps thinking about it!! 🥹🤤
@@lesliecastillologan5224 it would be epic if they could incorporate everything that was hinted at that’s for sure! Hopefully the series that’s meant to be taking instruction from JK Rowling will include a lot of the stuff we never got to see at least during that time period. I feel like fantastic beasts did a decent enough job of including a variety of things for it’s time period. But I totally get where your coming from! I’m looking at planning a trip to Scotland to do a HP tour. Cannot wait 👌🏻😫
@@nickstahhhh I hope they do!! Surely somebody is on our side!! I think that’s so cool that you are going to Scotland! My family has like a few castles in Scotland!! So if you just so happen to be near any of the “Stormont” castles please do tell 🙏!
I just view at as an article by The Quibbler, which is why things like Dumbledore teaching D.A.D.A instead of Transfiguration, and McGonagall being there are there.
But to be honest, i think the First 12 Aurors of MACUSA or The Marauders would make for much better story imo
If Warner Brothers doesn't want to make anymore movies of the fantastic beasts series......maybe they coud just write it in book form. That way, they save money by not making a movie, but still give those who are diehard fans of the series a satisfying conclusion.
Saw another theory that says because of the Obscurials effect that Aurelious was dying and that Grindelwald was offering Aberforth help in helping him. And because Albus refused and wouldn't let him Aurelious would eventually die and that's why Aberforth is distant with him
People who only watched the films would see many of Newts beast as "New" but us old D.A. lags knew exactly what the niffler and bowtruckle were even the demiguise immediately upon seeing them.
Even though I was a little nervous about watching the 3rd one I wish they could’ve finished the story in the movie
They really love those muggle clothing styles 😂
That sounds pretty good for a fill in I don’t think I’d be able to do that
Bringing Grindelwald home to his sister might have been enough for the Dumbledores to put the Blame for her death on Albus.
The fact Credence lasted so long as an obscurus shows how powerful the Dumbledore bloodline is
I’m pretty sure Voldemort survived by possessing animals without a body of his own, so the meeting between Nagini and Voldemort might have literally been like two snakes bumping into each other and striking up a chat and realizing they’re both *sort of* human.
Looking at it now, I think they lost the source of the original plot with introducing Grindelwald and Dumbledore in the 2nd movie which felt like it was taking over fantastic beasts premise (newt and his various creatures) and dumbledore’s story could have been another separate series, ending with either the defeat of Grindelwald or ending with him becoming a professor at Hogwarts. Honestly that is what I figured, that it would just be the entire textbook and the various wizarding creatures, Newt possibly traveling about documenting these creatures. Though I wondered how that would be done and wondered if they’d do a movie in Quidditch Through the Ages.
The biggest mistake made by Fantastic Beasts: Firing Johnny Depp.
'nuff said
I'd still like to know why McGonagall age was changed twice after the book series were done.
After watching a few times it actually grew on me and I feel it shouldn’t have ended where it did and if they are to make a series they should take the good bits from this and give back story’s on characters that only had short introductions
Grindelwald accepts defeat and is easily apprehended and stays in jail until we see him in the main Harry Potter series. Simple as that.
in my head Grindelwald was regularly visited by Dumbledore on a regular basis. And that he eventually repented his actions
I just broke down and watched the fantasy beast series. I agree it needs another chance but will never be as iconic as Harry Potter itself. Maybe they will bring back Johnny Deep?!?
I say make the last few movies in the an audiobook that can be bought or just release books with like images of what the actors would be doing animated or something like that I’d buy it.
I was disappointed that they just abandoned it instead of finishing it.
You mistakenly refered to Rolf Scamander as Newt's son, but he's his grandson.
I like the "Arianna stole the Elder Wand" theory. Does anything Dumbledore say during Harry's death vision conversation indicate whether he *still* didn't know who cast the spell, or just that neither knew?
Dumbledore never knew. In fact, it is strongly indicated that Dumbledore feared priory incantatum from a duel with Grindelwald, suggesting that his wand and the elder wand were brothers. Which also seems likely given that theres a good chance Antioch created the elder wand and that his brothers created wands simmilar to their brothers’ and that Dumbledore may have been a descendant of either cadmus or ignotus and thus couldve come to posses one of their wands.
@@anderssanggaard6215 Priori Incantatum can be cast without wands needing to be brothers. If I remember rightly, Barty Crouch Sr cast it on Harry's wand to prove it was the one that cast the Dark Mark after the World Quidditch match. This doesn't disprove your claim of the Elder Wand having a brother though.
I wonder if she was asked before becoming an horcrux, and if so, did she think having some other soul in her may eventually lead to her becoming not permanently transformed in a snake...🤔
Voldemort knew Nagini before losing his power. Voldemort could only make a horcrux of Nagini before the loss of his power.
My thinking about Nagi is between the event of the crimes of Grindelwald and the secrets of Dumbledore, she permanently transformed into a snake
I just watched these movies and I'm confused. How did Grindelwald go from being Johnny Depp to whomever that new guys is? Were there father and son Grindelwalds? I'm so confused!
Man, just watched these 3 today and wondered what was going on with this series.
They could’ve went so many different directions with the series and they came short. Hopefully whoever funds the production for this take notes and research good directors and writers and actors that can bring something that’s so iconic into something of its own light and can stand on its own also
I was very disappointed when the last two films were cancelled.
Nifflers weren’t new in Fantastic Beasts, they featured in the original books.
It’s what led to Hagrid being fired because Lee Jordan was putting them in Umbridge’s office and she thought it was Hagrid
One of the other streaming franchise to pick this up, Netflix or Amazon or HBO. The box office is not always as kind to their movies or other peoples that go to the movies. However, the streaming services will get more attention and more people will watch it.
Honestly I really enjoyed the first film. It was super fun with all the different creatures and such.
If they make a new one it has to be with Johnny as Grindlewald (sp?)