HOW TO MAKE ANY MID DRIVE EBIKE REALLY QUICK!!! | BAFANG ULTRA + PHASERUNNER
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Andy ! I just want to tell you that I have been watching your videos for a long time and I just finished my first e-bike a bafang mid drive, thank you for all your videos and you inspired me all along until I finally saved enough money!!!!
Nice work and persistence Andy getting this running. As far as the throttle pickup off the line goes, by default the ramp limits in the Cycle Analyst will be limiting things rather than the Phaserunner ramping. The CA's default throttle output up ramp of 2 V/sec is fine and snappy for normal ebike controllers that have a motor PWM throttle where the entire span from zero to max power happens over a small voltage range, but on a Phaserunner or other controller with a torque throttle this translates into like 1.5 seconds for the motor to go from zero to full torque. You can should increase the CA3's throttle output up ramp rate to like 10V/sec if you want it to go full torque with no noticeable ramp up delay.
Really love your channel Andy. Your passion for e-bikes is inspiring.
Got 1000 watt bafang motor. Waiting for battery.52 v 14 Ah. Hope it's fast I can't understand your accent
Your be OK with that 14 amh, your still get 30 miles + some people run them with 48v
Epic Andy!!! The ultra motor never ceases to amaze me. I was flat out blitzing in my local trail in the pouring rain last Monday and the motor just kept on going. I've so got to try that mod on my bike. Like I said before, I'll keep you posted regarding the Yamaha spider 104bcd chainring. Cant wait for the next video mate.
Because Johnny nerd out said to watch you rock on Johnny
your videos are getting better and better each time
i decided to subscribe to you because i see the progress :)
thanks for being there and sharing a part of your story andy
Thanks man! Appreciate that!
@@andykirby Hey Andy
Check out Litihium-Titanate Batteries
they have up to 30000 cycles(up to 80 years), are lighter then Lithium-Ion Batteries, have higher energy density and if they break there is no risk of fire or explosions
they are non toxic aswell if they break
maybe you can Build o a Battery pack made of them
That controller is madness.... I love it¡! Great video... Keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Top man, thoroughly enjoyed that video mate. Keep up the good work :)
pro trick : you can watch movies at Flixzone. Been using it for watching all kinds of movies these days.
You kept mentioning a "Pscho-Analyst" and therefore I've avoided getting a ebike, cause who needs the grief right.... now that I know that it's a CYCLE analyst, i will seriously re-examine that! Love your videos my brother.... stay safe!
Love your videos and this kit! I picked one up and on the third ride out I didn't seat the battery properly, which came flying out the first bump I went over and I totalled it. Full warning to anyone getting an ebike, double check your battery is in properly every time. That's a thousand dollar mistake you don't wanna make!
I keep a zip tie around my battery for insurance.
i used zipties andratchet straps at first and held it inbetween my legs while using throttle only. I couldnt pedal at all. I ended up getting a back carrier and bolting the battery to that. its very stable now i can pedal and throttle, going 50km+
You're the mad scientist that we like to call "the Expert" . Your way of thinking goes outside of the box ! Quantum Ebiking !
Awesome vid Andy you’re a complete nutter😂😂😂
fantastic! glad you figured out all the programming, glad to have this controller reviewed, compact, powerful, high voltage, and nice design. I used a Nuvinci 360 gearless autoshift rear wheel with an older bafang 750 watt middrive, on a full suspension bike. Only a 10ah/48 volt lithium battery. With a 46 tooth on the crank, it will take you up mountain faces with ease, torque to back wheel astounding. Any middrive enthusiast should try a Nuvinci hub, they even make a higher ratio now, 380, I think. They work so well with middrives....simple one chainline, low maintenance. Even can get the autoshift module, which changes ratio as wheel speed increases...and you get a compact bar control up and down switch to select your cadence preferance. Slick! Cheers!
I just have a bone stock dahon from 2012. I've always thought of where to buy a Nuvinci gearbox. No bikes in Ireland are sold with it, eBike selection is not as great elsewhere in europe.
Now, the mad engineer in me is saying to put together a Nuvinci hub, with 5 chain speeds, a mid-drive motor and a front hub motor.
It would be like a moped/prius
_B -Lowe_ You can order the nuvinci hub, or built wheel, online. There is adequate ratio change in the hub, that only one chainline is needed, thats the beauty of them! cheers!
@@toyotaprius79 I'd be set with a SingleSpeed-CarbonFiberBelt/RoadBike, Nuvinci, MidDrive + front hub motor. Range(Big) type of battery for sure with Regen. 😎
Officially the EBike king great videos mate I need one of your bikes awesome......
awesome,, footage at the end of video looks dirt motorcycle things lol. i'm thinking of installing bafang on my bike and it would be great reference to me. thanks
The shed is evolving (more tools), nice video man. Makes me want to build a mid drive to compliment my eeb. 🤘 keep em coming.
Awesome love how you keep pushing the envelope on these BBSHD mid drives. Are you using the nylon gear or did you swap to the steel gear? What voltage is your battery? Thought I heard 60v ? Does it have speed gear sensor for shifting? As far as a DIY with all the twiddling you did to make this work do you have it posted on a build thread?
I bought a haibike nylon 10 tuned up then had a shot of one of these bafang oh my god what power on the bafang is insane. Going to build one of these too man and get rid of haibike.
Excellent mate!!!!
TNX you for the good vido and searying the nolege can i ask what the good and bad phaserunner vs asi bac 800? What you prefear? And why?
Great video!
Sounds gorgeous
Hi Andy, love the videos on the bikes, just wondering if you know anything about the BROSE T 90 Nm central motor that is in the Rockrider E-ST 900. I cant seem to find any information on if i would be able to swap it out for the Bafang M620 MID-DRIVE 48V/1000W down the line. I was looking at getting the E-ST 900 as a start and looking to upgrading it gradually. I would love to buy the KirbEbike Vapour full suspension eMTB but can't really justify it. Keep up the good work fella.
Thanks for sharing, would be good to hear more about the new controller compared to others you have used, technical and performance differences?
First impressions are very well designed, more refined than Chinese controllers. The fact it can run high RPM motors is pretty game changing for the ebike world.
awesome video Andy ! would you recommend BBHD + ASI or PhaseRunner v3 + BBSHD ?
I read on es forums someone connected the ca to there phone and it looked amazing
This might sound silly, but having thumb throttles can lead to problems with your thumbs. I have thumb throttles on all my e-bikes I have a dual motor e-bike with two thumb throttles. Now my thumbs don't work quit right. We take for granted that we don't really use our thumbs for much other than supporting all the other lesser fingers, but, without a thumb on either hand.., you would be handicapped. Having two thumb throttles, one for each motor, I found over time that my thumbs get stuck and don't move freely. When I try to do delicate work, my thumb will be stuck, and then spring in to action... (No fooling Here! ). I can put either thumb, from either hand; because I use two throttles, into the palm of my hand and the joint will click. When I take it out of the palm of my hand it will release the potential energy. I was trying to do some delicate work on some small parts for putting directional turn signals on a new build and sent small parts flying across the room when my thumb decided to kick them off. You wouldn't think that this could be possible, but when you're grabbing on to the handlebars for stability, and releasing that grip to increase speed continuously...You're using your thumbs in a way that they are not meant to be used. I know what everyone is thinking... I use both my thumbs to shift with trigger shifters. With an e-bike it's a constant use of very little pressure needed to maintain the speed on top of using a lot of strength to avoid obstacles for grip. I never would have seen it coming and it's a real pain in the ass. You can laugh at me now, but if you use thumb throttles; and I love them, on rough terrain, or even road use, you'll know what I'm talking about over time. I don't think it's just me because both thumbs were affected at the same time. I hope this is helpful... If not a source of laughter for some non-believers. Love the videos as always. You're the best. Get some sleep!
I know what your talking about with the thumb getting tired and there is a FIX for that.
I have tried switching the Thumb throttle around and using one of your fingers on it in the other direction works well
very impressive i wish i had that ebike :-)
Really interesting, if i ever rake enough cash together that would be my ideal setup.
Great videos really down to earth, any advise on a system for my commute its 5 miles each way with bugger of a hill to get up...
Depends how fast you want to go 😁 but if you just want to add a bit of assistance and flatten out a hill while still pedalling then 250-500W would probably suffice.
Awesome vid, how much does it cost to get a vapour into the uk..customs etc
Nice bike. I just got my bafang 48volt 1000watt bbshd midrive with 52 volt 14 ah battery Samsung . I have not in stalled yet. Thanks for video.👍🏻😀👍🏻🤔
Hi have u fitted your bafang kit?I'm thinking of buying one
Superbly awesome mate, just don't get bit by any false wipes, heard its their roaming season lol.
Looks a great bike what mileage does it handle?
I seen excess bikes in Germany has a 2.2 kw internal controller avaible for the ultra that has torque sensing and is meant to be more efficient and balanced like main brands for 390 euro
Hi Andy have you been able to research which Yamaha spider will work with our ultra motors. I have a fat bike and I had to reduce to BCD 130 40T Raceface . With a fat bike so more off set would be great. the Yamaha makes a 6mm off set spider. not sure if its compatible. currently called FatSix SDURO motor spider. but they also make the PW-X spider with less off set maybe 3mm. Do you know which one would fit the current Bafang spline. Thanks
Nice. Im in the process of doing mines but not sure if i go with the Phaserunner or Bac800. I like the looks of the Phaserunner but dont like the cycle analyst. If anyone prefers one from the other please throw me a reply thanks
Wow awesome thanks again beautiful 🚴
Hey Andy
Did you ever put a gear shift sensor on any of your ebikes ?,
If you did which one, did you use ?
hi andy, brilliant channel mate !, does that controller come with the software or do you have to buy it?, thats the smallest i have ever seen! looks ace pal!!
great vid Andy Ty , I am trying to find Info on how/what needs to be set/tuned for a Phaserunner+Cyclone 3k kit I have . you know any one who did that and could share his knowledge , I really like to know before hand what to do with parts i'm going to spend $ on . Cheers & ride safe & to all e-riders STAY CLEAR OF MOTOR VEHICULE BLINDSPOT !! Too many get caught and hurt badly ignoring them .
Love your channel , just found you a couple days ago , I would love to hang out but I'm on the other side of the pond as they say , Rally like this build, Thinking of converting my bike but love that frame and set up , how much do you think you are into it $ wize as she sits ? Cheers , from Snowy Canada !
This Guy RULES!!
Hey Andy. Did you ever figure out if it is possible to run the phaserunner without the cycle analyst? I just bought the eggrider for a bbshd and would really prefer not to have the cycle analyst cause it's pretty fugly! Just looking for a little more out of the bbshd!
Yo, cool build, as always 😂. Comparing to the trek ebike build you did, it has a controller box (silver and bulky one). Is the phase runner in place of that?
great youtuber
Try a bit of thermal cement? Right to your frame for a huge heatsink?
Can I tune bafang 1000w mid drive I have cable just waiting on motor an battery its 52 volt one 👍
with a mid drive can you use the thumb throttle and accelerate without pedaling ?
Hello there. What version of the ultra did you use? Nylon gear+hall effect sensor early or later with less sensors?
I understand this video is old but maybe you can still help, my OE controller has failed and I need to replace it
Have you tried Yamaha mount. ? Are all yamaha the same or a certain motor type.
I don't know man... I have grown very fond of my hall sensors amd running sensored motors...
But what do I know while riding slow and steady....
FINALLY somebody on UA-cam giving straight, and correct info. I personally have been running a Bafang BBSHD with a Phaserunner @70v/ 50A. My bike is strictly street use stretch cruiser(basman frame with tank) and weighs 90lbs. I can still reach 45MPH+ using a Sturmey Archer 3 spd IGH. However, be aware you need large amp hours(ah) if you expect any decent range. I run dual 12.5ah packs in parallel. Kudos on the setup!
Hi Andy, do you think the phaserunner would be suitable for a CYC X1 Pro Gen2 motor? They say is should put out about 3400W with the asi bac855 controller. I have had ongoing problems with the asi controller. After firmware updates it still keeps cutting out with a phase overcurrent fault. Thanks :)
How do you get throttle smooth on settings in phaserunner as soon as I touch it it goes and want a smooth throttle thre must be a way can you help plz mate
Nice vid kirk. Yesterday i ordered my Phaserunner_MT_Bk with the CA3 WP and a new throttle, cant wait for it to arrive. Anyway at the moment i have a Hailong Fat Shark 52v 17.5Ah Battery, how would you say was the noticeably difference with the Phaserunner on 52v? Also, when mine arrive can i shot-out at you if i need help with programming numbers ? Thx
How ur build turn out bro ?
What’s that Garmin.. ??!! How does it work with.. different voltage batteries, u keep swapping.. pls give link..?!
i live a 10 min bike ride away from Grin Technologies, and man it comes in handy to have them so close.
love what you doing with this project but how safe are battery packs ? When I bring up the topic about E-bike some are afraid the battery will burn their home down.
just dont buy the battery packs that are wraped in plastic bags and only cost 150$ my bike battery has 78 18650 lithium batteries and have 0 fear of it exploding it has its own built in battery manager and i use the right charger with it as long as you treat them www.reention.com/ is the company that makes the battery case i had mine built by another company in china that uses there case
I have found that Befang mid-drive motors have an issue with the spindle which is integral part of the coil and made of poor quality and even when i was running at only 18mph after a few or more weeks is just shattered, and was only ridding it 5-10m. Maybe some other material should be used inside to help keep it running cooler
What was the last figure you went with for start up
so I'm wanting to make a trike that you sort of sit/lay in, but i want it to go fast 50km/h at least and i would love to have it run off Milwaukee 18v batteries, (the tools i use), you can get a multi charger as well so don't have to worry about swapping them out to charge, but are there any down sides to using these battery packs?
i was thinking of either two hub motors or one really good mid drive would love your opinion(also to make i legal here it will still need to be able to pedal it.)
It will be a heavier load then normal and would love to have my cricket bag along with me so about 110kg of weight with me on it. not including the frame.
what would you guys suggest for the motors and everything else.
Hello, does anyone know what is the size of the rear shock absorber ( fox)?
Have you tried the Innotrace/Archon X1 controller from Watt wagons? How does it compare?
What's the top speed he manage to reach?
Can a 48 volt pack be ran on a 250 watt motor? Will it make it faster?
So if I buy your frame is the battery you sell the only compatible with that frame? Looking to build one out.
Can I add a second battery to a Bosch mid drive?
Morning fellow Essex boy. I’ve got a Fiido D2 as I’m commuting to London daily, but I want to “pep” it up a bit. It overtakes Boris bikes ok but I’m a lazy git and don’t do peddling. Any suggestions???
Amazing controller mate!! Looks like I'm going to be investing in one soon! 👍
Ps- what size front crank was you Using in this vid?
Can you combine PHASERUNNER controller with Bafang M620 pedal torque sensor so it will work in pedal assist mode?
I got a Frey AM 1000 with Bafang. Is there a way to turn down the assist.. even the lowest setting has too much power 🙉
Hello i wash my bafang electrique bike and it goes off it is only on when it is connected to a charger and get off when disconnected can someone help?
Is that controller compatible with bafang bbshd motors?
Hello man,what's the controller 30-40 ampers?
Is it possible to put a throttle on a Yamaha mid drive thanks
Dave
Haveing just come off a track with a standard bike how much power do i want or need😅 i was looking at 750 or a 1000 ??
Hi Andy can you help me mate?
Ive got Stumpjumper 6fattie. My bottom bracket is pressed.
Im looking to get the cyc pro1. is this possible?
is there any motor that can fit on a press BB??
thanks
Muna
hello my bafang BBSHD 1000wat with 48v battery does not render. I have to goals 52v,,,,,!? what else can I do,!? I need strength for trailers and dog. road trip land mountain can you help me, 🙏🙏😔
What were your final settings
Andy what bike are you riding in regards to the bafang ultra set up
Great videos keep em coming
It’s our own bike, called the KirbEbike Vapour
Looks good! Are you running w/ the hall sensor or still in sensorless mode? If the latter, get a few HIGO connectors and wire up the hall wires to the cycle analyst, you'd have much better results with torque ramp up and the rest; from what I've seen.
See the last video, this motor does not have hall wires ... yes I know! They use a special IC on the control board so your only option when using another controller is sensorless. It’s still wheelies, startup torque is ok.
I have the ultra motor from Luna and it does have the 3 hall sensors but they are not connected to anything. The controller in the motor went bad after 350 miles and have been looking for a replacement controller. I’ve seen the ultra controller from Exess bikes (Germany) but I’d have to send the motor to them. It uses the factory display which is nice. Your video helped a lot!
:) thanks ♡
Hey Andy
Check out Litihium-Titanate Batteries
they have up to 30000 cycles(up to 80 years), are lighter then Lithium-Ion Batteries, have higher energy density and if they break there is no risk of fire or explosions
they are non toxic aswell if they break
maybe you can Build o a Battery pack made of them
I have a question for you. I just canceled an ert order for the bac800 and ordered a phase runner and cycle analysts which i think looks nicer and more professional. So my question is why you went for the Phaserunner i stead of a bac800? Thx.
I'd like to know this too, especially with the new ASI BAC 855 from electron cycles with the NXT display, cost is same as phaserunner + cycle analyst, which to go for?
Would that motor fit other ebike frames. Thanks
There is a mount plate available for this motor but it would need to be welded onto your frame of choice.
Where did you the wire wrap you're using on the rear fork? @18:25
How do bafang compare vs bosch
If i hear anyone else complain about EV vehicles on other channels i will link them here, this is alot of fun.
can you use a phaserunner on a mtx wheel ?
Yes!
So,what wattage is the actual motor?
what is that small pc??
Hi Andy, I'm really struggling to finish off my enduro e-bike and would like some help. I have a domino throttle and cycle analyst and sabvoton controller rigged up to an 84v battery fro Jimmy at insat. I would pay you for your tim and i dont mind bringing my bike to you or if you prefer to com to me i live nr Bristol. I really like to get it finished once and for all. Cheers mate..
So here’s 2 BIG questions:
-Did you ever fiddle with the sensorless start up?
-What milliamps did you land on for ramp up torque?
What is the micro pc Andy is using?
How about the speed sensor.
Can u link the model u bought
How much you think e-bike kit cost plz I want converte May bike please can you help
Great video. Any eta on when controllers will be available again?
We won't be selling them anymore I'm afraid.
@@andykirby Why???? I really want one. My friend is an electrical engineer. Can ou sell the plans?
What kind of mini cpu is that?
Hi Andy, must be me; did not hear what battery manufacturer and model for the Ultra + build you used. The indicator is a nice feature.
Do what I did with my waterproof camera case.
I applied 3 wet to dry coats of rain-x. The drops are so small the lens doesn't pick it up...
Good idea 👍🏻