I am very accustomed to these bird's eye, gaming-related videos being a bit light on their fact finding. The team behind this piece of entertainment should be proud of their work. Very thoughtful and spot on. I might also be bias though because Jonathan is a friend and a charmer.
I know right. I'm not a huge fan of GameSpot, but I gotta give credit where credit is due. The script was great, the cinematography was great. I wouldn't mind seeing more of these types of videos.
8:39 - The higher damage from revolvers actually has some basis in reality; for a very long time, the most powerful handguns available were magnum revolvers, since the recoil action used by most semiautomatic pistols couldn't cope with the stress from firing these very-high-energy rounds.
It still is, and by long shot. Among self loading pistols, about as big as they come is the desert eagle in .50AE- no slouch putting a considerable 1600 ft lbs of muzzle energy on target (when it doesn't malfunction at least). Compare that to the heaviest duty revolver in the world- .500 bushwacker, more than tripling the power with an insane 5200 ft lbs, putting even most rifles to shame.
A good amount of revolvers on the market can fire both magnum and standard cartridges. Like being able to handle .357 magnum and .38 special. Or say .45 long colt and .410 shotgun. Course like you said for a long time. New product methods and materials have made things pretty fun
3:52 As mentioned, Winchester rifle, "The Gun that Won the West" should be showcased next. Or at least the lever-action firearm like the one the Terminator...
Ocelot described it correctly. The action of dumping the spent cartidges and loading it is a trill in it own. I own many handguns but i have the most fun with my 686 and chiappa rhino leaving the speed loaders at home
In ghost in the shell I think they put a really good spin on the revolver, with the character Togusa being reluctant to use prosthetic implants and to let go of his revolver for a more advanced weapon. The revolver is like a dog, while more advanced pistols are like a virtual assistant, one may be more precise/ quicker but the other makes up for it through loyalty/ reliability.
it theoretically could've been even slower. It's funny considering the revolver in HL1 isn't all that slow (although both become less accurate if you fire rapidly).
I'm really looking forward to your next episode. You guys should have the rail gun as your final episode in the series. Give it a nice sort of arc starting with the old and ending with the new. Rail guns are some of the coolest guns in games and there's lots of research about real applications, even a couple home made ones.
The thing about the cod revolvers, is that their real world counterparts actually ARE more powerful than other contemporary pistols. .357, .44, both were (in their times) the most powerful handguns in the world. As far as I'm aware, the current most powerful is the .500 magnum. The most common hunting pistol generates ~1900 ft.-lbs of muzzle energy, the .500 generates 2600.
There are lots of enormously powerful self-loading pistols too. The only real obstacle there is that once the rounds get powerful enough, a semi-auto usually needs to graduate from simple recoil- or blowback-operated designs to more complicated delayed-blowback or gas operation - more along the lines of actions in self-loading rifles. With a revolver on the other hand, you can keep the same basic design concept, but scale it up and beef it up as needed (although super-powerful revolvers are prone to problems and even catastrophic failures that you'll never see on your normal .38 Special wheelgun). The purely mechanical action also makes it easy for gunmakers to experiment with different cartridges and loads in a revolver. No need to re-design or re-tune a self-loading action, just drill the cylinder & bore the barrel accordingly.
I don’t mean to be the “achcually 🤓” guy but .500 Bushwacker is the most powerful handgun. .500 magnum is second. Most people don’t know about Bushwacker though, myself not finding out about it until a few days ago.
@@mr.randomperson9900 .500 bushwacker is not a production handgun though, which I what people are always referring to when they talk about things like this. There are absurd novelty "handguns" even more powerful than 500 bushwacker, such as the pfiefer zeliska .600NE revolver.
@@SynchronizorVideos the most powerful semi automatics aren't really comparable to big bore revolvers. The only real notatable options are the coonan .357 1911, automags in up to .44 magnum and the desert eagle in 50AE as the most powerful. 50AE still falls well short of the most powerful production cartridges for revolvers, topping out only slightly above a .44 magnum, and well below .454 casull, .460 magnum and.500 magnum, let alone wildcat revolver cartridges, the most such as the .500 bushwacker, which has over triple the energy of a 50AE
Revolvers are also synonymous with Noir and pulp movies. No hard boiled private detective of Film Noir would be complete without his trusty Colt Detective Special .38 in the pocket of his trench coat. Similarly, pulp heroes of days past would carry their revolvers with them into dangerous situations, like the Smith and Wesson M1917 and Webley WG Army Model that Indiana Jones carried. Also, the old cap and ball revolvers often had removable cylinders, so the gunfighters and cowboys of the day would often carry spare cylinders already loaded and ready to go so they could just swap it out. Slow, yes, but far faster than trying to reload each chamber individually.
You partially answered your question with just the opening montage; sure some self-loading pistols have an exposed hammer you can pull back, but... it just hits different when it's a revolver hammer being pulled back.
By obsolete, he meant that there are objectively better options for the same purpose. Revolvers can still do the job excellently, but they're outperformed by modern handguns, thus why armed professions stopped using them.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy True. There is one big exception, where I'm at cash-in-transit guards still carry them. I asked them why and they said it was because the revolver can be readied (single action mode) and generally used one-handed, with the other hand holding the cash box. It sounded palusible...
@@TonyNewJersey1 Most, if not all modern semi-autos are readied by default (one in the chamber, and a striker is not so dissimilar from a revolver in a single action condition) and can be used one handed.
@@Z06Wingnut I've heard automatics can jam pretty easily if you aren't using them right. The only time I've ever shot an automatic pistol, it was jamming on me every four rounds or so. Don't have to worry about that with a revolver.
@@thegrayowl1557 you’ve heard incorrectly or you heard 50 years ago and haven’t updated your knowledge. Semi autos are trusted and torture tested by basically any professional mil/LE org, no or hardly any have been running revolvers for decades now because the benefits of semi autos far outweigh any from a wheel gun. And there’s no question of reliability. It’s not really a debate and hasn’t been for some time: semi autos are superior.
I mean if revolvers are practical anymore or not comes down to a few things, the situation, the skill of the shooter and, how familiar the shooter is with the firearm at least in my experience, great vid!
When I was shopping for a gun, the guy manning the firing range and gun shop talked about revolvers as ideal for an old lady in her purse. It's harder to pull the trigger, but she can manage it, and it's slightly less likely to go off by accident. It requires minimal maintenance and is a very simple device to load and handle. It's much harder to load a magazine than to load a six-shooter; the mag spring requires real muscle. And you really don't need more than 6 shots; by the time those are used, one or both parties are either dead or fled. So it was interesting to get his perspective on the role revolvers serve. They're just such simple machines, and a lot of people don't much care for the complexity and maintenance of a semi-auto pistol.
tbg, the GIGN use revolvers specifically because when they are using shields or stacks, theyre less liable to have slides snag on clothing or whatever and they heavier trigger pulls incentivize trigger discipline, theyre also part of hte training ethos
The Korean Police Department still uses revolvers for their choice of firearm. Korean PD rarely open fire against anyone, so the guns need to be reliable even after a prolonged period of not using them. And also when they do they need to shoot someone, there are a protocol to first shoot non-lethal bullets, and the guns Korean PD uses (since this year) can utilise special non-lethal shot that can pierce through human skin shallowly - about 5cm or 2 inches, - injuring the perp not killing them.
The Civil War Era Colts/Remingtons are the most beautifully designed pistols ever. I have had a 58 Remington .44, a 51 Colt Navy .36 and a Pocket Remington .31 black powder pistols when I did CW reenacting. I currently have a Cimarron 'Man With No Name' revolver which is the 51 Navy converted to 38spl. All the benefits and style of the original pistol but with the reload and cleaning benefits of modern revolvers.
There are actually several therotical accuracy advantages to the revolver. #1 What John refers too with the barrel moving with the slide means that the sites and muzzle will be in a slightly different position when the bullet leaves the barrel as opposed to when the shot is aimed. Not a big deal with modern ammo and modern firearms the group size would be almost unmeasurable. With older guns and ammo like you might find in a pre-modern or in a post apocalyptic setting that is decades past the crash where ammo has aged and lost some of it's potency and speed it becomes slightly more relevant. #2 The grip design is more ergonomic and offers more customization. This doesn't guarantee superior performance but a lot of people while shoot better because of it. This is especially true if you are using point which is frequently done one handed because the blocky design of can be canted to the easily enough to the right or left side and cost accuracy. This is an old fashioned method of shooting not necessarily the best method but it is the kind of shooting that a mostly untrained survivor in a horror setting or somebody who grew up in appacplyse where the ammo available for proper target shooting is extremely limited will default to. It takes a ton of hour and thousands of rounds of ammo to learn proper tactical shooting meanwhile you can learn point shooting in a few hour and have relatively good accuracy. #3 It can be argued that because in a revolver the chamber is seperate from the barrel that the barrel is actually slightly longer. So a 4 inch barrel in a revolver is actually 4 inches but a 4 inch barrel in an autoloader is 4 inches minus the length of the chamber which gives you a smaller functional barrel length. But in theory this advantage is also slightly offset by the cylinder gap or the tiny space that is between the barrel and revolver cylinder. The use case for revolvers in a modern 2020 something era is mostly hunting applications and a few very specific concealed carry applications as well.
I know this video is 3 years old, but when you (Dave) were saying that the spirit of the revolver seeps into the characters that wield it @ 10:37 , there's a juicy bit of Destiny lore revolving around 2 handcannons (the Revolvers in Destiny are referred to as handcannons) in particular - Thorn and The Last Word. Thorn used to be the handcannon known as Rose, the Guardian that wielded it was a champion of the Crucible who was corrupted by the Hive and Rose was corrupted with him, becoming Thorn. The Last Word was wielded by another Guardian, and they faced off like in an old Western showdown. If you're interested, there's an hour and 25-ish minute long lore video on it on UA-cam called "Destiny Lore - The Last Word & Thorn. The Complete Story."
0:02 the "revolver" as first coined by samuel colt would be 189 years old today, but the revolving system that samuel colt patented and coined in 1835 was already made about ~15 years before colt, with Elisha Collier technically making the first "revolvers" with their flintlock revolvers. most of the ones that were produced didnt have the hammer and cylinder connected to rotate it every time you pulled the hammer back, as this was seen as fancy new tech at the time and wasnt expected to sell much, but he did make that design on less broadly produced models of his revolver, those models being made for more richer folks. so huh, 200 years of the revolver, its been quite a while !
I'll still take a 5 round bfr chambered in 45-70 over a 12 round 9mm semi auto. It might be more compact, quicker to fire and reload but how many people you know of who get into a self defense gunfight and have to reload, or have to fire a full magazine to put their attacker down. I might take a round or two and bleed out in a couple of minutes but all it takes is one round of 45-70 to put a hole in you you could fit a fist through.
Great video! Just remember people: never whip or fling a revolver shut as shown in games or movies, especially if your friend lets you try theirs. Otherwise, you deserve a punch in the face. Whipping/flinging the cylinder shut is BAD for the firearm. Better to shut it with both hands
@@arizonatea3734 there is no doubt the revolver is no longer suitable for Law Enforcement Duty but for Home Defense and Hunting, ITC of big bores, they are perfectly suited. I mean seriously. If they are so irrelevant why are they still being developed? Old models reintroduced WITH improvements hitting the market and selling out? Ring any bells?
@@johnderekmitchell1510 that was my point... I carry a 38snub from time to time. I have zero problems or doubt in revolvers. Its also not my job to go against criminals so.
They're definitely irrelevant compared to modern autoloading pistols. Especially in the case for self defense pistols. 38 special is a competent self defense round, but 9mm performs just as well, if not better. Autoloaders also hold more ammunition per ounce in a large majority of cases. Revolvers aren't any more reliable than modern autoloaders either. Revolvers are bought en masse by boomers who can afford to blow $600-900 on a gun that holds 5 rounds and won't ever have more than a box of ammunition ran through it.
Contrary to popular assertion revolvers are not yet obsolete. They have 2 niches where they still dominate. 1) Mountain guns. Not everybody lives in a city. For people who live out in the more rural parts of the US, or at least hike frequently a full-size revolver in .44 or .357 Magnum is still the standard choice for protection from dangerous animals (bears, wolves, mountain lions). It is much lighter and easier to carry than a rifle or shotgun, but the added ballistic performance is necessary to have any effect on some of the larger and more dangerous animals. There are automatic pistols in these powerful calibers too, but they are far more expensive and not as reliable which relegates them to mere novelties. 2) concealed carry. Automatics are popular here as well, but a revolver offers a unique advantage. There is no slide to push out of battery, or ejection port to obstruct. Even in a brutal hand to hand fight, as long as the user can mash the trigger they can fire all 5-6 shots. They can even be fired from inside a pocket or purse. An automatic might fire one shot from such an obstructed position, but usually jams as a result. While capacity is far lower and reloads under stress are unlikely, a revolver really is far more reliable for at least the 5-6 shots it carries on board.
If only games allowed us to have more than one revolver per game .Seriously , they want us to have three hundred identical Submachine Guns but we can not have a Double Action and Swing Out Cylinder revolver to match Bolt Action Guns and Pump Action Shotguns and a Single Action and Gate Loaded revolver to match with Lever Action Rifles and Side by Side Shotguns .
I take a lot of pride in my gun collection; I have a deagle in .44mag, a semi-auto MP5, several ARs, literally dozens of lethal, tacticool weapons. I keep ONE gun loaded and outside of the safe, in a little lockbox near my pillow, it's a snubnose .38. It has a great balance of lethality vs. ease of control, and if something goes wrong you just pull the trigger again. I trust my life to no other weapon.
Revolvers may be technically obsolete, but they're nowhere close to extinct. In the US, the big manufacturers, like Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Colt, still make brand new revolvers, and not just a few. They mass produce entire lines of revolvers in many different styles and calibers. And of course there are millions of revolvers in the hands of gun owners throughout the country. It's even possible that revolvers will make a comeback in the future if gun laws start to restrict semiautomatic pistols.
I enjoyed the video but the research on pre-self contained cartridges is pretty off. Something like a 1860 Army with paper cartridges was the gucci glock of that era. Lots of accounts of people not seeing a reason to shell out cash for a metallic cartridge gun when their paper cartridge pistol worked just fine and loaded up almost as fast.
“Revolvers are obsolete”? How bullet proof are you? Bows and and arrows are ... well you get the picture. Obsolete is not the right term to use, old fashioned is more on the nose.
Near the end, I feel like you're doing the revolver injustice. Militarily, it may be obsolete, but civil use? There's a significant chunk of people who prefer carrying revolvers, for their mechanical simplicity and reliablity for instance. A semi-auto may jam; in a revolver, you just try the next chamber.
I don't think it's unrealistic to say that a revolver is more accurate than a semi, at least in colloquial terms. If you compare like for like, they'll perform ballpark the same, but people don't tend to buy them in similar configurations. Generally, when someone buys a revolver, they buy it for a larger round, and a longer barrel than is typical of a semi. Also, the SA trigger on a revolver tends to be much closer to what you'd find on an SA-Only semi. Lastly, the sighs on a revolver aren't on a moving part of the firearm; while the zero on a semi won't change much, on a revolver, it can't change at all. So from a strictly mechanical sense, no, they're not really more accurate. In a much more pragmatic sense, however, an armature can drop bullseyes with .357 at 15 yards after only a few shots out of a S&W 686 (a good, but nothing-fancy revolver) , but it'll be a bit before they're doing it with a CZ TS (a competition semi-auto).
If there is one thing I can say for sure, it's that there is a severe lack of gun safety in hollywood and video games alike. Every time I see a character twirling a revolver or waving a gun around with their finger on the trigger, I think that I'd be diving for the floor if I were in the room.
I love revolvers. I keep a colt official police in a holster fastened to the bottom of my night stand. It's a 70 year old pistol and yes I trust my life with it, If it ever fails to fire just pull the trigger again, in a semi automatic if it fails to fire it could be a few things and just pulling the trigger again isn't gonna do much.
From your conclusion we can deduct that a revolver is still useful in today's society simply from the ingrained preconceptions. Sure, the 2 robbers may carry a glock, but the power dynamics change when a sheriff comes around the corner with a revolver. "Drop your guns or lose your head!"
Realistically they'll all do the job just fine. Revolvers are best suited to niches of: >powerful cartridges >rimmed casings >good back up guns >hair triggers on SA at the range And the rare niche of bed gun and being able to fire on a surface point blank without having to worry about a slide being pushed back slightly to disengage the barrel....very niche. Either way, I like em more than semis. More fun
It's a little longer than my interest, though did make some good point interesting to hear of. I agree quiet a bit with the trends media and the entertainment industry have labeled to it.
Nothing drives home the power of a revolver better than one literally exploding next to you and sending a piece of the cylinder past you and into a guy's nose across the range!... Yes that's a true story.
I used to live in Alaska above the arctic circle. Large caliber revolvers were common for animal defense. The thinking was that they were more reliable than a semi automatic and you won't get more than 6 shots at a charging bear anyways. I'm not sure if it is true that they are more reliable as I have only ever had revolvers but it makes sense. Fewer moving parts to break/ jam/ freeze. Anyone who owns both have any thoughts on reliability?
Modern autoloaders are very reliable. A few decades back the difference was more significant, but now while revolver are still more reliable the difference is pretty small- however, user caused malfunctions are far easier to cause with a semi auto than a revolver, which can certainly make a big difference in stressful situations. No slide to catch on anything, no grip or slide safeties etc just point and shoot, so the user is far less likely to accidentally cause a malfunction. In the rare event that there is a malfunction, revolvers are easier to clear- just pull the trigger again, can't do the same with an autoloader. Revolvers are also available in far more powerful cartridges making them better for hunting and dangerous animal defense.
You forgot how great revolvers are as Saturday night specials. Basically you can get more power in a smaller package making them great for concealed carry and unfortunately good for criminals to hide.
Lots of work has gone into designing these western sets for a minute or a less of video. Is it realistic that the revolver in Half-Life is as accurate as a rifle despite jumping up with great recoil after firing?
Can someone please tell me the *number of bullets* the typical Revolver has..? Like, how many bullets does Rick Grimes' Revolver have before he needs to reload..?
Rick's revolver seems to be a Colt Python which has 6 bullets in the drum. Usually revolvers have 6 but they can also have 5 if they are really big for example or 7-8 if the bullets are smaller. There's also weirdo ones with a lot more and 2 barrels for example but ignore those. So basically from 5-8.
depending on framesize and caliber. a lot of small pocketsize revolvers typically holds 5 of .38spl or .357 mag. medium size frames can hold 6-8 of .38 or .357. medium/large frame of .44 and up (.454, .460, .500 S&W) are capped at 5 or 6. theres .22lr revovers that can hold 12 and some revolvers that accept rimless cartridges like the .45acp, 9mm, and .40/10mm with moonclips that is usually 6
The lemat revolver has 9 rounds and 1 shot gun slug in reality they were not good although red dead redemption would make u think other wise the lemat was not useful to any one
Only things left are tha sicko revolver idris elba used.the way it reloads are bizzare and its pretty much like fast loading and banging a dessert eagle 50
“Revolvers are obselete”
The GIGN disagrees.
**converts .357 revolver into a sniper and takes aim**
**MR37 revolver intesifies**
so that's why the GIGN in rainbow have revolvers
More like tiny outcoves that allow limited space for a real man's gun are obsolete. Ban all tiny outcoves!
@@nitricfox7895 well yeah, every mission the gign do, they bring that revolver
@@oper8rdrifto417 MR73*
I am very accustomed to these bird's eye, gaming-related videos being a bit light on their fact finding. The team behind this piece of entertainment should be proud of their work. Very thoughtful and spot on.
I might also be bias though because Jonathan is a friend and a charmer.
You are too kind Othais!
Aww
Hi C&Rsenal
And with the heavy emphasis of revolvers lately with your own channel, I find this comment even more interesting.
Man, the production value here is nice.
I know right. I'm not a huge fan of GameSpot, but I gotta give credit where credit is due. The script was great, the cinematography was great. I wouldn't mind seeing more of these types of videos.
Have you seen ahoy
the amount of research that went into this is amazing this is literally so good
8:39 - The higher damage from revolvers actually has some basis in reality; for a very long time, the most powerful handguns available were magnum revolvers, since the recoil action used by most semiautomatic pistols couldn't cope with the stress from firing these very-high-energy rounds.
It still is, and by long shot. Among self loading pistols, about as big as they come is the desert eagle in .50AE- no slouch putting a considerable 1600 ft lbs of muzzle energy on target (when it doesn't malfunction at least). Compare that to the heaviest duty revolver in the world- .500 bushwacker, more than tripling the power with an insane 5200 ft lbs, putting even most rifles to shame.
A good amount of revolvers on the market can fire both magnum and standard cartridges. Like being able to handle .357 magnum and .38 special. Or say .45 long colt and .410 shotgun. Course like you said for a long time. New product methods and materials have made things pretty fun
If it took more than one shot, you weren’t using a Jakobs
Haha boarderlands 👌
For borderlands 2it’s more like if it took more than 1 shot you were probably using a Jakobs
@@JamesW609 yea but it's fine because it fires as fast as you can pull the trigger
Remember no refunds
@@JamesW609 *cough* deputy sal *cough*
3:52 As mentioned, Winchester rifle, "The Gun that Won the West" should be showcased next. Or at least the lever-action firearm like the one the Terminator...
Ocelot described it correctly. The action of dumping the spent cartidges and loading it is a trill in it own. I own many handguns but i have the most fun with my 686 and chiappa rhino leaving the speed loaders at home
It's a unique tactile experience that cannot be replicated. Yes, it's outdated and inconvenient... but it just feels cool.
I agree. Is your 686 a seven or six shot? I always have the most fun at the range with my 686 and my 60.
You guys should make a video on M1911
I can attest to that. My .30 Carbine Blackhawk is my favorite pistol to shoot and operate.
In ghost in the shell I think they put a really good spin on the revolver, with the character Togusa being reluctant to use prosthetic implants and to let go of his revolver for a more advanced weapon. The revolver is like a dog, while more advanced pistols are like a virtual assistant, one may be more precise/ quicker but the other makes up for it through loyalty/ reliability.
Togusa's Mateba and mullet will never go out of style lol
@@hitachicordoba "I like my Mateba!"
funnily enough, he switched to automatics by the time of Solid State Society and 2045 (SAC continuity, not the films).
As Major Kusanagi said "overspecialize and you breed in weakness"
“More powerful and slower”
Valve took that too literally
it theoretically could've been even slower. It's funny considering the revolver in HL1 isn't all that slow (although both become less accurate if you fire rapidly).
and then they didnt take that litteraly enough with spy's revolver shooting about as you can click
I'm really looking forward to your next episode. You guys should have the rail gun as your final episode in the series. Give it a nice sort of arc starting with the old and ending with the new.
Rail guns are some of the coolest guns in games and there's lots of research about real applications, even a couple home made ones.
The thing about the cod revolvers, is that their real world counterparts actually ARE more powerful than other contemporary pistols. .357, .44, both were (in their times) the most powerful handguns in the world. As far as I'm aware, the current most powerful is the .500 magnum. The most common hunting pistol generates ~1900 ft.-lbs of muzzle energy, the .500 generates 2600.
There are lots of enormously powerful self-loading pistols too. The only real obstacle there is that once the rounds get powerful enough, a semi-auto usually needs to graduate from simple recoil- or blowback-operated designs to more complicated delayed-blowback or gas operation - more along the lines of actions in self-loading rifles. With a revolver on the other hand, you can keep the same basic design concept, but scale it up and beef it up as needed (although super-powerful revolvers are prone to problems and even catastrophic failures that you'll never see on your normal .38 Special wheelgun). The purely mechanical action also makes it easy for gunmakers to experiment with different cartridges and loads in a revolver. No need to re-design or re-tune a self-loading action, just drill the cylinder & bore the barrel accordingly.
I don’t mean to be the “achcually 🤓” guy but .500 Bushwacker is the most powerful handgun. .500 magnum is second. Most people don’t know about Bushwacker though, myself not finding out about it until a few days ago.
the .50 BMG pistol existing:
@@mr.randomperson9900 .500 bushwacker is not a production handgun though, which I what people are always referring to when they talk about things like this. There are absurd novelty "handguns" even more powerful than 500 bushwacker, such as the pfiefer zeliska .600NE revolver.
@@SynchronizorVideos the most powerful semi automatics aren't really comparable to big bore revolvers. The only real notatable options are the coonan .357 1911, automags in up to .44 magnum and the desert eagle in 50AE as the most powerful. 50AE still falls well short of the most powerful production cartridges for revolvers, topping out only slightly above a .44 magnum, and well below .454 casull, .460 magnum and.500 magnum, let alone wildcat revolver cartridges, the most such as the .500 bushwacker, which has over triple the energy of a 50AE
Revolvers are also synonymous with Noir and pulp movies. No hard boiled private detective of Film Noir would be complete without his trusty Colt Detective Special .38 in the pocket of his trench coat. Similarly, pulp heroes of days past would carry their revolvers with them into dangerous situations, like the Smith and Wesson M1917 and Webley WG Army Model that Indiana Jones carried.
Also, the old cap and ball revolvers often had removable cylinders, so the gunfighters and cowboys of the day would often carry spare cylinders already loaded and ready to go so they could just swap it out. Slow, yes, but far faster than trying to reload each chamber individually.
You partially answered your question with just the opening montage; sure some self-loading pistols have an exposed hammer you can pull back, but... it just hits different when it's a revolver hammer being pulled back.
For personal defense a .357 or a handy snubnosed .38 Special is far from obsolete. But I get your point. Great series btw!
By obsolete, he meant that there are objectively better options for the same purpose. Revolvers can still do the job excellently, but they're outperformed by modern handguns, thus why armed professions stopped using them.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy True. There is one big exception, where I'm at cash-in-transit guards still carry them. I asked them why and they said it was because the revolver can be readied (single action mode) and generally used one-handed, with the other hand holding the cash box. It sounded palusible...
@@TonyNewJersey1 Most, if not all modern semi-autos are readied by default (one in the chamber, and a striker is not so dissimilar from a revolver in a single action condition) and can be used one handed.
@@Z06Wingnut I've heard automatics can jam pretty easily if you aren't using them right. The only time I've ever shot an automatic pistol, it was jamming on me every four rounds or so.
Don't have to worry about that with a revolver.
@@thegrayowl1557 you’ve heard incorrectly or you heard 50 years ago and haven’t updated your knowledge. Semi autos are trusted and torture tested by basically any professional mil/LE org, no or hardly any have been running revolvers for decades now because the benefits of semi autos far outweigh any from a wheel gun. And there’s no question of reliability. It’s not really a debate and hasn’t been for some time: semi autos are superior.
I've always thought the revolver is one of the most esthetically pleasing guns made.
I mean if revolvers are practical anymore or not comes down to a few things, the situation, the skill of the shooter and, how familiar the shooter is with the firearm at least in my experience, great vid!
Why reload when you can use deadeye
Smokkin
I'd love to see more of this series! Feels like something that could have been on G4 back in the day
When I was shopping for a gun, the guy manning the firing range and gun shop talked about revolvers as ideal for an old lady in her purse. It's harder to pull the trigger, but she can manage it, and it's slightly less likely to go off by accident. It requires minimal maintenance and is a very simple device to load and handle. It's much harder to load a magazine than to load a six-shooter; the mag spring requires real muscle. And you really don't need more than 6 shots; by the time those are used, one or both parties are either dead or fled. So it was interesting to get his perspective on the role revolvers serve. They're just such simple machines, and a lot of people don't much care for the complexity and maintenance of a semi-auto pistol.
tbg, the GIGN use revolvers specifically because when they are using shields or stacks, theyre less liable to have slides snag on clothing or whatever and they heavier trigger pulls incentivize trigger discipline, theyre also part of hte training ethos
My sidearm will always be a revolver if given the choice in most shooters
always remember, the engravings, give you no tactical advantages what so ever.
Not true. Something looking cool absolutely makes it more accurate, more powerful, and (somehow) carry more rounds.
Source: ...Hey look over there!
That was some fancy shooting.
Snap you’re pretty good
Pretty.... good
I wish Jonathan Ferguson was in charge of dictating gun laws in the UK
its insane how well made all of these videos are, keep it up!
The Korean Police Department still uses revolvers for their choice of firearm. Korean PD rarely open fire against anyone, so the guns need to be reliable even after a prolonged period of not using them. And also when they do they need to shoot someone, there are a protocol to first shoot non-lethal bullets, and the guns Korean PD uses (since this year) can utilise special non-lethal shot that can pierce through human skin shallowly - about 5cm or 2 inches, - injuring the perp not killing them.
Power and style
GameSpot: Fanning the Revolver is inaccurate.
Me: Bob Munden would’ve disagree with you if he was still around.
Jonathan Ferguson was in this video as well?
Why wasn't it recommended to me earlier!
My favorite revolver is colt navy 1860 especially the curve design. remington revolver also my favorite because the unique of how its reload and fast
Its gotta be the S&W .500 magnum for me. Colt Python or Colt Anaconda are a close 2 and 3.
@@Razor-gx2dq in games
The Civil War Era Colts/Remingtons are the most beautifully designed pistols ever. I have had a 58 Remington .44, a 51 Colt Navy .36 and a Pocket Remington .31 black powder pistols when I did CW reenacting. I currently have a Cimarron 'Man With No Name' revolver which is the 51 Navy converted to 38spl. All the benefits and style of the original pistol but with the reload and cleaning benefits of modern revolvers.
Awesome video! Nice to see something that ties history and gaming together. Very well done. MORE LIKE THIS!
There are actually several therotical accuracy advantages to the revolver.
#1 What John refers too with the barrel moving with the slide means that the sites and muzzle will be in a slightly different position when the bullet leaves the barrel as opposed to when the shot is aimed. Not a big deal with modern ammo and modern firearms the group size would be almost unmeasurable. With older guns and ammo like you might find in a pre-modern or in a post apocalyptic setting that is decades past the crash where ammo has aged and lost some of it's potency and speed it becomes slightly more relevant.
#2 The grip design is more ergonomic and offers more customization. This doesn't guarantee superior performance but a lot of people while shoot better because of it. This is especially true if you are using point which is frequently done one handed because the blocky design of can be canted to the easily enough to the right or left side and cost accuracy. This is an old fashioned method of shooting not necessarily the best method but it is the kind of shooting that a mostly untrained survivor in a horror setting or somebody who grew up in appacplyse where the ammo available for proper target shooting is extremely limited will default to. It takes a ton of hour and thousands of rounds of ammo to learn proper tactical shooting meanwhile you can learn point shooting in a few hour and have relatively good accuracy.
#3 It can be argued that because in a revolver the chamber is seperate from the barrel that the barrel is actually slightly longer. So a 4 inch barrel in a revolver is actually 4 inches but a 4 inch barrel in an autoloader is 4 inches minus the length of the chamber which gives you a smaller functional barrel length. But in theory this advantage is also slightly offset by the cylinder gap or the tiny space that is between the barrel and revolver cylinder.
The use case for revolvers in a modern 2020 something era is mostly hunting applications and a few very specific concealed carry applications as well.
Revolver are just awesome end of story :3
"You only got six shots"
Me a Destiny 2 player looks at Crimson, a three round burst revolver with a 24 round capacity.
"Ya sure about that?"
That was so funny i forgot to laugh
Amazing video quality props to the whole crew
Ahoy would like to know your location
Keep it up, this was pretty great.
“Gotta be handy with the steel, know what I mean?”
Earn ya keep
dont mind me im just listening to the first two seconds of this video on repeat cuz god that opening is so good and so satisfying
I know this video is 3 years old, but when you (Dave) were saying that the spirit of the revolver seeps into the characters that wield it @ 10:37 , there's a juicy bit of Destiny lore revolving around 2 handcannons (the Revolvers in Destiny are referred to as handcannons) in particular - Thorn and The Last Word.
Thorn used to be the handcannon known as Rose, the Guardian that wielded it was a champion of the Crucible who was corrupted by the Hive and Rose was corrupted with him, becoming Thorn.
The Last Word was wielded by another Guardian, and they faced off like in an old Western showdown.
If you're interested, there's an hour and 25-ish minute long lore video on it on UA-cam called "Destiny Lore - The Last Word & Thorn. The Complete Story."
I keep a 7 shot revolver for self defense, I got very sharp with it!
0:02 the "revolver" as first coined by samuel colt would be 189 years old today, but the revolving system that samuel colt patented and coined in 1835 was already made about ~15 years before colt, with Elisha Collier technically making the first "revolvers" with their flintlock revolvers. most of the ones that were produced didnt have the hammer and cylinder connected to rotate it every time you pulled the hammer back, as this was seen as fancy new tech at the time and wasnt expected to sell much, but he did make that design on less broadly produced models of his revolver, those models being made for more richer folks.
so huh, 200 years of the revolver, its been quite a while !
I'll still take a 5 round bfr chambered in 45-70 over a 12 round 9mm semi auto. It might be more compact, quicker to fire and reload but how many people you know of who get into a self defense gunfight and have to reload, or have to fire a full magazine to put their attacker down. I might take a round or two and bleed out in a couple of minutes but all it takes is one round of 45-70 to put a hole in you you could fit a fist through.
Love the videos! You put so much time and work into them and they make my day better
Great video! Just remember people: never whip or fling a revolver shut as shown in games or movies, especially if your friend lets you try theirs. Otherwise, you deserve a punch in the face. Whipping/flinging the cylinder shut is BAD for the firearm. Better to shut it with both hands
12:20
When the only loot you found is a revolver and a ×8 scope
At least u can scout on it LOL
In rango, the six-shot element plays a significant role in some gun-fights, with characters counting their opponents shots
Was thinking "Where is the Half-Life revolver" second after I saw it @10:18 That's accuracy 🙌
Revolvers have never become irrelevant in the USA.
Tell hollywood pd that
@@arizonatea3734 there is no doubt the revolver is no longer suitable for Law Enforcement Duty but for Home Defense and Hunting, ITC of big bores, they are perfectly suited.
I mean seriously. If they are so irrelevant why are they still being developed? Old models reintroduced WITH improvements hitting the market and selling out? Ring any bells?
@@johnderekmitchell1510 that was my point... I carry a 38snub from time to time. I have zero problems or doubt in revolvers. Its also not my job to go against criminals so.
Walter white would disagree with you he seen semi automatic pistols but chooses a Revolver for self defense
They're definitely irrelevant compared to modern autoloading pistols. Especially in the case for self defense pistols. 38 special is a competent self defense round, but 9mm performs just as well, if not better. Autoloaders also hold more ammunition per ounce in a large majority of cases. Revolvers aren't any more reliable than modern autoloaders either. Revolvers are bought en masse by boomers who can afford to blow $600-900 on a gun that holds 5 rounds and won't ever have more than a box of ammunition ran through it.
Contrary to popular assertion revolvers are not yet obsolete. They have 2 niches where they still dominate.
1) Mountain guns. Not everybody lives in a city. For people who live out in the more rural parts of the US, or at least hike frequently a full-size revolver in .44 or .357 Magnum is still the standard choice for protection from dangerous animals (bears, wolves, mountain lions). It is much lighter and easier to carry than a rifle or shotgun, but the added ballistic performance is necessary to have any effect on some of the larger and more dangerous animals. There are automatic pistols in these powerful calibers too, but they are far more expensive and not as reliable which relegates them to mere novelties.
2) concealed carry. Automatics are popular here as well, but a revolver offers a unique advantage. There is no slide to push out of battery, or ejection port to obstruct. Even in a brutal hand to hand fight, as long as the user can mash the trigger they can fire all 5-6 shots. They can even be fired from inside a pocket or purse. An automatic might fire one shot from such an obstructed position, but usually jams as a result. While capacity is far lower and reloads under stress are unlikely, a revolver really is far more reliable for at least the 5-6 shots it carries on board.
If only games allowed us to have more than one revolver per game .Seriously , they want us to have three hundred identical Submachine Guns but we can not have a Double Action and Swing Out Cylinder revolver to match Bolt Action Guns and Pump Action Shotguns and a Single Action and Gate Loaded revolver to match with Lever Action Rifles and Side by Side Shotguns .
This is a well nicely done video !
I take a lot of pride in my gun collection; I have a deagle in .44mag, a semi-auto MP5, several ARs, literally dozens of lethal, tacticool weapons.
I keep ONE gun loaded and outside of the safe, in a little lockbox near my pillow, it's a snubnose .38. It has a great balance of lethality vs. ease of control, and if something goes wrong you just pull the trigger again. I trust my life to no other weapon.
Thank you for such an excellent video
There’s 1 rule to revolvers that everyone knows
You gotta spin the barrel after reloading
Cylinder not barrel
@@railbaron1 thank you, I am not caught up on my revolver biology
@@LittleIdiot858 Anatomy
Most revolvers don`t actually allow that to happen, mechanically speaking.
Revolvers may be technically obsolete, but they're nowhere close to extinct. In the US, the big manufacturers, like Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Colt, still make brand new revolvers, and not just a few. They mass produce entire lines of revolvers in many different styles and calibers. And of course there are millions of revolvers in the hands of gun owners throughout the country. It's even possible that revolvers will make a comeback in the future if gun laws start to restrict semiautomatic pistols.
12:08 the GIGN literally turned a 357 revolver into a sniper
no name just because it’s just a revolver with a scope
@@dfgfdgdfgfdg2902 no the GIGN actually does that and it shows how accurate it can be at long ranges
@@dfgfdgdfgfdg2902 For real tho look up the MR73 sniper revolver.
I've just stumbled upon this video. Fantastic work guys!
This made the Arizona Ranger with a big iron on his hip proud
I enjoyed the video but the research on pre-self contained cartridges is pretty off. Something like a 1860 Army with paper cartridges was the gucci glock of that era. Lots of accounts of people not seeing a reason to shell out cash for a metallic cartridge gun when their paper cartridge pistol worked just fine and loaded up almost as fast.
hey, Jonathan Ferguson!!
i’m planning on making a game all about revolvers (magic ones that is) so i’m watching videos about revolvers in video games
If you really want to get your research right, go shoot some.
Good n sweet video.
Got kinda surprised though the Schofield and Serious Sam did not get a small mention here..
You guys are definitely getting my like for throwing the Open Range fanning the hammer in there
Very well produced. Keep it up
Go Jonathan!
You just had to bring up Shepherd... I still haven't gotten over that!
Hell yeah Dave, top stuff here!
“Revolvers are obsolete”? How bullet proof are you? Bows and and arrows are ... well you get the picture. Obsolete is not the right term to use, old fashioned is more on the nose.
Near the end, I feel like you're doing the revolver injustice. Militarily, it may be obsolete, but civil use? There's a significant chunk of people who prefer carrying revolvers, for their mechanical simplicity and reliablity for instance. A semi-auto may jam; in a revolver, you just try the next chamber.
Apex Legend Wingman is my favorite video game revolver ❤ so much so, I'm getting one
I don't think it's unrealistic to say that a revolver is more accurate than a semi, at least in colloquial terms.
If you compare like for like, they'll perform ballpark the same, but people don't tend to buy them in similar configurations. Generally, when someone buys a revolver, they buy it for a larger round, and a longer barrel than is typical of a semi. Also, the SA trigger on a revolver tends to be much closer to what you'd find on an SA-Only semi. Lastly, the sighs on a revolver aren't on a moving part of the firearm; while the zero on a semi won't change much, on a revolver, it can't change at all.
So from a strictly mechanical sense, no, they're not really more accurate. In a much more pragmatic sense, however, an armature can drop bullseyes with .357 at 15 yards after only a few shots out of a S&W 686 (a good, but nothing-fancy revolver) , but it'll be a bit before they're doing it with a CZ TS (a competition semi-auto).
If there is one thing I can say for sure, it's that there is a severe lack of gun safety in hollywood and video games alike. Every time I see a character twirling a revolver or waving a gun around with their finger on the trigger, I think that I'd be diving for the floor if I were in the room.
Great producing
The ballad of buster scruggs was funny as hell man.
crossdraw while coking the hammer on a singel aktion is the best feeling u will ever have
I love revolvers. I keep a colt official police in a holster fastened to the bottom of my night stand. It's a 70 year old pistol and yes I trust my life with it, If it ever fails to fire just pull the trigger again, in a semi automatic if it fails to fire it could be a few things and just pulling the trigger again isn't gonna do much.
Great video
From your conclusion we can deduct that a revolver is still useful in today's society simply from the ingrained preconceptions. Sure, the 2 robbers may carry a glock, but the power dynamics change when a sheriff comes around the corner with a revolver. "Drop your guns or lose your head!"
Yeah, thanks to media, the idea of the power behind the revolver is like a deterrence
Realistically they'll all do the job just fine.
Revolvers are best suited to niches of:
>powerful cartridges
>rimmed casings
>good back up guns
>hair triggers on SA at the range
And the rare niche of bed gun and being able to fire on a surface point blank without having to worry about a slide being pushed back slightly to disengage the barrel....very niche.
Either way, I like em more than semis. More fun
I love revolvers from Revolver OCELOT and Vash the Stampede
Bro have a good day
It's a little longer than my interest, though did make some good point interesting to hear of. I agree quiet a bit with the trends media and the entertainment industry have labeled to it.
YESSS !!! ❤️❤️❤️ they look cool at least XD thanks for the info 👍
I give you that time were Austria and British have their revolvers in 16th to 18th century ago. And also bergmann pistol too.
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The definition of “youve yeed your last haw”
You dig
Nothing drives home the power of a revolver better than one literally exploding next to you and sending a piece of the cylinder past you and into a guy's nose across the range!... Yes that's a true story.
You try putting a 454 casull into an auto platform. Trust me, revolvers aren't obsolete. What do I know? I'm just an expert on the subject.
5:58 Poor cat.
6:37
Hmm, wonder what game director could've taken inspiration from this scene?
I used to live in Alaska above the arctic circle. Large caliber revolvers were common for animal defense. The thinking was that they were more reliable than a semi automatic and you won't get more than 6 shots at a charging bear anyways. I'm not sure if it is true that they are more reliable as I have only ever had revolvers but it makes sense. Fewer moving parts to break/ jam/ freeze. Anyone who owns both have any thoughts on reliability?
There is a reason my parents let me carry a .44 magnum when we go out biking, Alaska can be scary
Modern autoloaders are very reliable. A few decades back the difference was more significant, but now while revolver are still more reliable the difference is pretty small- however, user caused malfunctions are far easier to cause with a semi auto than a revolver, which can certainly make a big difference in stressful situations. No slide to catch on anything, no grip or slide safeties etc just point and shoot, so the user is far less likely to accidentally cause a malfunction. In the rare event that there is a malfunction, revolvers are easier to clear- just pull the trigger again, can't do the same with an autoloader.
Revolvers are also available in far more powerful cartridges making them better for hunting and dangerous animal defense.
You forgot how great revolvers are as Saturday night specials. Basically you can get more power in a smaller package making them great for concealed carry and unfortunately good for criminals to hide.
Are we all pretending this guy isn’t just Ludwig in a clever disguise
Lots of work has gone into designing these western sets for a minute or a less of video. Is it realistic that the revolver in Half-Life is as accurate as a rifle despite jumping up with great recoil after firing?
Can someone please tell me the *number of bullets* the typical Revolver has..?
Like, how many bullets does Rick Grimes' Revolver have before he needs to reload..?
Rick's revolver seems to be a Colt Python which has 6 bullets in the drum. Usually revolvers have 6 but they can also have 5 if they are really big for example or 7-8 if the bullets are smaller. There's also weirdo ones with a lot more and 2 barrels for example but ignore those. So basically from 5-8.
depending on framesize and caliber. a lot of small pocketsize revolvers typically holds 5 of .38spl or .357 mag. medium size frames can hold 6-8 of .38 or .357. medium/large frame of .44 and up (.454, .460, .500 S&W) are capped at 5 or 6. theres .22lr revovers that can hold 12 and some revolvers that accept rimless cartridges like the .45acp, 9mm, and .40/10mm with moonclips that is usually 6
Six shots, more than enough to kill anything that moves.
mostly 6
The lemat revolver has 9 rounds and 1 shot gun slug in reality they were not good although red dead redemption would make u think other wise the lemat was not useful to any one
-BIG IRON-
The final fantasy gun blade is actually a real life weapon.
Only things left are tha sicko revolver idris elba used.the way it reloads are bizzare and its pretty much like fast loading and banging a dessert eagle 50