5 Iconic Gaming Weapons That Aren't As Real As You Think - Loadout

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  • Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
  • Video games frequently use rare and unique prototype weapons in their virtual arsenals. From the chaotic shotgun and the Pancor Jackhammer, to Hitman’s trusty sniper rifle, the Walther WA2000, we break down 5 iconic gaming weapons that aren’t as real as you think.
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  • @harima9597
    @harima9597 3 роки тому +1968

    WA-2000 is so expensive that only professional high-class hitman like agent 47 would use.

    • @IrregularDave
      @IrregularDave 3 роки тому +194

      “the money has been wired to your account, 47”

    • @Nob911
      @Nob911 3 роки тому +6

      They don't cost that much

    • @dimaswitanto2994
      @dimaswitanto2994 3 роки тому +148

      $75.000-$90.000
      you could get a Total of 7 50°Bmg which is one of the most powerfull and advanced sniper in earth
      or
      24 scars-17 / 40 AR-15
      0r
      2 Fgm-148 javelin which is a launchers chambered in target tracker Rocket that could take M1 Abrams in a single shot

    • @alwaysOPEN4business
      @alwaysOPEN4business 3 роки тому +10

      Or James Bond

    • @SynthLizard8
      @SynthLizard8 3 роки тому +17

      Something that the Kashmirian wish he had.

  • @floyddog2283
    @floyddog2283 3 роки тому +1923

    “A whopping 7.9-
    That’s not so bad
    “Kilos”
    Oh

    • @Gottaculat
      @Gottaculat 3 роки тому +90

      Yeah, when you expect them to say pounds, and are like, "how does that thing weigh the same as my Mossberg 500?"

    • @ToxicSkull0
      @ToxicSkull0 3 роки тому +37

      Cries in Double AK’s

    • @sumvs5992
      @sumvs5992 3 роки тому +10

      That's basically a 1919

    • @gazz3867
      @gazz3867 3 роки тому +88

      @@ToxicSkull0 Measuring weight in AKs? Muricans go to any lenghts to avoid the metric system. =P

    • @DC-ru5xz
      @DC-ru5xz 3 роки тому +21

      In other words, the AA12 does the jackhammers job at a fraction of weight and cost

  • @rcforb5255
    @rcforb5255 3 роки тому +721

    3:03 It angers me to see empty cases flying out of a caseless amunition gun

    • @budmeister
      @budmeister 3 роки тому +45

      RDR2 also has the same issue as the Volcanic doesn't have casings, all the powder is in the hollowed out section in the back of the bullet.

    • @mikafor
      @mikafor 3 роки тому +40

      In call of duty world at war, they didn't change the animation coding they borrowed from some other shotguns in the game. So when you fired it you'd see a shell fly out of the side. Then you'd eject the same shells when you reloaded. Magic!

    • @andychrist2922
      @andychrist2922 3 роки тому +2

      Lol

    • @UgandanAirForce
      @UgandanAirForce 3 роки тому +12

      @@budmeister doesn't the description of the volcanic pistol in RDR2 on the weapons catalog explain that the one(s) you're buying were converted to use cartridges?

    • @Llyd_ApDicta
      @Llyd_ApDicta 3 роки тому +5

      @@budmeister TBF though, RDR2 was a huge disappointment when it came to guns imho. I mean there were so many firearms back then and you have like 5 pistols/ revolvers, 5 rifles and the same amount in shotguns.

  • @Nate0493
    @Nate0493 3 роки тому +96

    Remember:
    Switching to your pistol is always faster than unfolding your gun

  • @JackIsMe1993
    @JackIsMe1993 3 роки тому +588

    Ian's got everyone covered.

    • @dongulio5539
      @dongulio5539 3 роки тому +35

      Gun Jesus has everyone covered

    • @LMaudy
      @LMaudy 3 роки тому +18

      "its rare but we know what the inside of those guns look like" thx Ian

    • @asierurteaga1227
      @asierurteaga1227 2 роки тому +1

      You thought that hes gun jesus by hes apearence?

  • @Mobius08
    @Mobius08 3 роки тому +532

    I like how every weapon on this list has its own video on the Forgotten Weapons channel, including the XM8. Johnathan Ferguson also worked with Ian McCollum to publish a (one of his many) book titled "Thorneycroft to SA80: British Bullpup Firearms, 1901-2020."

    • @IrregularDave
      @IrregularDave 3 роки тому +28

      One of my favourite channels on UA-cam. Bless gun Jesus

    • @ironicdivinemandatestan4262
      @ironicdivinemandatestan4262 3 роки тому +17

      Blessed be his holy Chauchat!

    • @redzeppelin6
      @redzeppelin6 3 роки тому +5

      Watching him really makes videos telling me "guns you think are real" redundant. Praise Gun Jesus.

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 3 роки тому +2

      I like Forgotten Weapons.
      But I like C&Rsenal more.

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 3 роки тому +4

      @@planescaped I like them both for different reasons.

  • @isiffrin
    @isiffrin 3 роки тому +178

    "Even causing the entire companys downfall."
    Zip 22: "First time?"

    • @C4CHopeless
      @C4CHopeless 3 роки тому +10

      Remington: Am I late to the party?

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 3 роки тому +9

      @@C4CHopeless Colt (for the 4th or 65th time): No, we saved you a seat.

    • @C4CHopeless
      @C4CHopeless 3 роки тому +7

      CZ: What're you doing there Colt? You belong to me now. Come along now, time to try and fix your busted ass.

    • @lepurpleboi3266
      @lepurpleboi3266 3 роки тому

      Oh hey someone else who plays Soul Knight, noice

  • @jmag196
    @jmag196 3 роки тому +322

    Whenever I see the pan or jackhammer all I can think about is Zach freaking out over how it’s not real

    • @ffoulkes
      @ffoulkes 3 роки тому +19

      he really does not like that gun

    • @budmeister
      @budmeister 3 роки тому +14

      Even though it technically is real, as a prototype.

    • @kauske
      @kauske 3 роки тому +12

      @@budmeister Pretty much, it's real enough two were tested to destruction, and we still have a toolroom prototype and blueprints. One with the right skills and tools could likely build a functional one if they want. As far as guns go, there are a lot less real ones to pick at. Especially an alt universe game like Fallout, it might have been adopted. Most guns getting turned down are more will of the brass than anything else. Plenty of bad designs have been adopted by nations due to various factors. All it takes is one good kickback in the right place and a sub-par gun becomes adopted.
      Even still, the Jackhammer was ultra-rare in Fallout, same with the G11. Hell, FO is so different they didn't even adopt the AR-15 as the US standard infantry rifle in favor of something that looks like a G-3. Putting it in a historically accurate game though? _That is a problem._ Otherwise, if it's pure fiction, or alt-history, why not alt guns too?

    • @rouge5140
      @rouge5140 3 роки тому +2

      @@kauske
      It wouldn't be a Pancor Jackhammer, Pancor doesn't exist anymore.

    • @kauske
      @kauske 3 роки тому +2

      @@rouge5140 That only means that the name is more or less up for grabs with no one left to hold the trademark on it.
      Also, if you're talking about an alt-history where it was adopted, it would mean that Pancor likely never went bankrupt.

  • @Kannamoris
    @Kannamoris 3 роки тому +3481

    I hate how they didn't even mention that the FMG was literally just a Glock in a fancy housing.

    • @Rashed1255
      @Rashed1255 3 роки тому +208

      It was mentioned that its just a box with a sort of fully automatic pistol inside, though the G18 wasn’t mentioned.
      Can anything other than a Glock be used with it? 🧐

    • @infinitsai
      @infinitsai 3 роки тому +97

      @@Rashed1255 i know there are some games that use cz75'ish pistol grip for their fmg9, but i cant find any evidence that it can be fitted with a non glock irl

    • @TheeNino
      @TheeNino 3 роки тому +36

      I don’t think it’s just a glock in fancy housing. It’s not made by glock but by magpul. They use glock interchangeable products like magazines and maybe some of the internal stuff. Other than that, I think it just might the magazine that makes it look like a glock

    • @Idogames4
      @Idogames4 3 роки тому +58

      @@TheeNino Magpul manufactures the houseing but you actually stick a glock pistol inside without it it would just be the houseing.

    • @Rashed1255
      @Rashed1255 3 роки тому +13

      @@TheeNino I’ve only heard of the FMG-9 being a box (Carbine conversion kit) that u put a Glock into, don’t know if there are other pistols that can fit into it.
      There are also foldable Glocks so that kinda adds up.

  • @ThePwNzclan
    @ThePwNzclan 3 роки тому +633

    "The pancor jackhammer weighs 7.9" oh that's not that bad "kilos". Holy shit

    • @Viper-dz2kw
      @Viper-dz2kw 3 роки тому +5

      Had the exact same reaction

    • @koryfredrick1164
      @koryfredrick1164 3 роки тому +8

      What´s important to mention is that the Jackhammer was far less far along in development, and while all of the other examples had companies working on them, the Jackhammer was designed and worked on by a single man.
      The Jackhammer was still in early prototyping stage, and was for example held together with Allen head screws in some places, which definitely would have been changed for a full scale production model. Along with this, the design would have been changed to save weight and ease manufacture.
      So yeah, I kinda wish they´d mentioned that, as it sorta redeems the design, as it didn´t have all the kinks ironed out yet.

    • @alephkasai9384
      @alephkasai9384 3 роки тому +5

      @@Blazberry_Yaint Was the AA12 adopted by anybody? I didn't hear about that. I mean the Marines tested it but no confirmation on actual usage.

    • @PirateCat822
      @PirateCat822 3 роки тому

      @@Blazberry_Yaint the M249 isnt so heavy after all.

    • @rouge5140
      @rouge5140 3 роки тому

      And they made a whopping 23.7 kilos of that gun

  • @thememeteam858
    @thememeteam858 2 роки тому +46

    I think the g11 being in fallout 2 is reasonable, they managed to make plasma weapons and gauss weapons so making a viable g11 can’t be to hard

  • @TheKhopesh
    @TheKhopesh 2 роки тому +18

    The new (much more realistic) version of the Pancor Jackhammer is the AA12.
    It's an automatic 12ga shotgun that actually achieved everything the Jackhammer was supposed to be, and it looks very similar if you throw the 20 round drum mag on it.

  • @lordcthulhu17
    @lordcthulhu17 3 роки тому +851

    "The g11 was in fallout 2" proceeds to show a clip of the rancor jackhammer equipped. (they were both in the game)

    • @PrototypeSpaceMonkey
      @PrototypeSpaceMonkey 3 роки тому +66

      Also Fallout's 10mm SMG is based on the HK SMG II, which was also a prototype that was never mass produced. And the fact that 10mm became the most popular round in the Fallout alternate universe is kind of a gun nerd in-joke referencing how the Bren Ten fell flat in our universe.

    • @zonk4718
      @zonk4718 3 роки тому +29

      It’s the Pancor Jackhammer, the Rancor is a Star Wars thing

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 3 роки тому +2

      It was also in Chaser and FPS from the early 2000's

    • @coolsenjoyer
      @coolsenjoyer 3 роки тому +21

      man, why did you have to remind me that there used to be all these cool modern or modern-ish weapons in Fallout.. now it's all just either weird borderlands shit that doesn't make any sense or like ww2 shit

    • @avangion80
      @avangion80 3 роки тому +1

      Came to tell this same. But thank you.

  • @Drrolfski
    @Drrolfski 3 роки тому +568

    The Heckler & Koch XM8 should really deserve more screen time. It's probably the most hyped, iconic and widely used weapon in Hollywood and videogames that besides some Malaysian forces never broke through.

    • @StyxDescension
      @StyxDescension 3 роки тому +18

      I remember seeing it in Black Ops 2 and nerdgasming. Really wish it would appear more

    • @rickyredbeard8274
      @rickyredbeard8274 3 роки тому +18

      It’s a shame, it seems like a really cool modular platform.

    • @QuickQuips
      @QuickQuips 3 роки тому +6

      No kidding. It was everywhere in mgs4

    • @CombatVictory
      @CombatVictory 3 роки тому +49

      Well the xm8 is mostly just a g36 with different asthetics

    • @bluecaptainIT
      @bluecaptainIT 3 роки тому +22

      @@CombatVictory true. The real innovation were the P-CAP mounts and the quickly interchangeable furniture.
      Unfortunately, like for the Masada, the competition caught up. No need to replace the M4 when 3rd parties provide cheaper solutions.

  • @SerathDarklands
    @SerathDarklands 3 роки тому +21

    I've heard the G11 described as "Kraut space magic".

  • @CRAM079
    @CRAM079 2 роки тому +14

    The XM8 is to this day one of the coolest looking weapons ive seen.

  • @AnonEMus-cp2mn
    @AnonEMus-cp2mn 3 роки тому +302

    When the WA-2000 failed to meet expectations with the GSG9, the PSG-1 was adopted. A weapon also featured in Call of Duty Black Ops.

    • @thesaddestdude3575
      @thesaddestdude3575 3 роки тому +8

      PSG1 was there aswell!

    • @mattrobson3603
      @mattrobson3603 3 роки тому +36

      Also a very expensive rifle, particularly for its capabilities these days. Still a fraction of the price of the Walther, though.

    • @iforgot87872
      @iforgot87872 3 роки тому +2

      I think it’s also in MW3

    • @prantikasamadder5581
      @prantikasamadder5581 3 роки тому

      @@iforgot87872 what about MW2?

    • @Rltvader1
      @Rltvader1 3 роки тому

      @@prantikasamadder5581 no, not in MW2.

  • @nat040496
    @nat040496 3 роки тому +239

    I think its funny how the Pancor Jackhammer literally has an MP5-SD handguard slapped on it as part of its design

    • @HondaCivic-nq1by
      @HondaCivic-nq1by 3 роки тому +4

      Didnt even realize that lol

    • @nat040496
      @nat040496 3 роки тому +25

      @@HondaCivic-nq1by Yup, it's not even a joke. They literally took an MP5-SD and chopped off the handguard and shaped it to fit this gun.

    • @hoppinggnomethe4154
      @hoppinggnomethe4154 3 роки тому +2

      oh, it is MP5SD's handguard. I didn't notice it at all

    • @davvvvo
      @davvvvo 3 роки тому +9

      The MP5SD handguard is an addition by Movie Gun Services.

    • @derPetunientopf
      @derPetunientopf 3 роки тому +3

      Lets not forget that it never reached the final design stage because it was never adopted.

  • @barrymartinez9125
    @barrymartinez9125 3 роки тому +39

    Well to those who were wondering about the FMG. Magpul has officially announced that it will be moving this weapon into production, and is looking at a release for 2022. I can't wait

    • @elahdivad3433
      @elahdivad3433 2 роки тому +4

      Finally some good news!

    • @ReSpark141
      @ReSpark141 Рік тому +5

      2023 here, still no word about production

  • @ballsdeep6924
    @ballsdeep6924 3 роки тому +97

    Pancor Jackhammer: *exists in a video game*
    Zach: the amount pure unfiltered rage I feel at this collection of polygons on a screen cannot be described with words or even numbers for quintillions of cubic acres do not even begin to compare to the magnitude of my hatred

    • @Beeeeeeeeeees
      @Beeeeeeeeeees Рік тому +1

      oh boy, wait until he hears about the aa-12

  • @Blaze016
    @Blaze016 3 роки тому +276

    3:03
    "It was an experiment in a caseless ammunition weapon system"
    [shows G11 ejecting cases]
    Yes, I know that it was the game's problem, but I just thought it was funny.

    • @SovietMarmalade
      @SovietMarmalade 3 роки тому +14

      That was the game’s problem. The real gun *is* caseless.

    • @changes4339
      @changes4339 3 роки тому

      😂 that’s funny

    • @Trunch1312
      @Trunch1312 3 роки тому

      Your fun at party aren’t you? (Just a joke just in case)

    • @SovietMarmalade
      @SovietMarmalade 3 роки тому

      @@Trunch1312 ????

    • @MosoKaiser
      @MosoKaiser 3 роки тому +6

      And a funny extra touch is that they didn't go full silly with it and made it eject to the right, unlike quite many games with left-ejecting guns, thinking brass flying across the player's view when firing looks cool and have flipped weapon models for stuff like AKs...

  • @Crowley9
    @Crowley9 2 роки тому +5

    To my knowledge one major reason the Pancor Jackhammer is so common in video games is that a person who was in possession of one of the prototypes also had connections to a place that did high-end 3D models by scanning real objects, and put it through there.

  • @richardpurves
    @richardpurves Рік тому +41

    Since this video, a second Jackhammer has appeared. It was held by the widow of the Jackhammer designer and appeared for auction. It was a lot lighter than the tool room prototype that everyone knows.

    • @liberator101
      @liberator101 Рік тому +2

      Care to provide a link for the video or some pictures of some kind please?

    • @Matt_History
      @Matt_History Рік тому +2

      @@liberator101 those get deleted now, UA-cam hates links that go off website

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped Рік тому +1

      @@liberator101 I heard it mentioned on Forgotten Weapons IIRC.
      If you really need to know, then you'll have to google it. As was aforementioned, youtube auto-deletes posts with external links and has for over a year now.

    • @richardpurves
      @richardpurves Рік тому

      @@liberator101 If you search youtube, you'd have found it quicker than typing your message.

  • @PaladinAzriel
    @PaladinAzriel Рік тому +18

    Surprised that you guys mentioned the G11 in Fallout 2 but not the Pancor, despite showing the Pancor equiped

  • @Erarnitox
    @Erarnitox 3 роки тому +57

    3:05 case less ammunition drops bullet shells.........

    • @hoppinggnomethe4154
      @hoppinggnomethe4154 3 роки тому

      XD

    • @smokharn3699
      @smokharn3699 3 роки тому

      Ah yes, find faults in 20 year old games.

    • @budmeister
      @budmeister 3 роки тому +2

      ​@@smokharn3699 RDR2 also has the same issue as the Volcanic doesn't have casings, all the powder is in the hollowed out section in the back of the bullet.

    • @kauske
      @kauske 3 роки тому

      Maybe to get adopted in whatever alternate version of history that's in, it had to dump caseless ammo, it wouldn't be the first time a major feature was altered in development.

    • @dreaminginvalhalla1914
      @dreaminginvalhalla1914 3 роки тому

      @@budmeister You would be correct but the RDR2 one is converted to use normal pistol ammo.

  • @femboycyan
    @femboycyan 3 роки тому +15

    *Sees Pancor Jackhammer*
    Zach: *Loads shotgun with malicious intent*

  • @andyfriederichsen
    @andyfriederichsen 3 роки тому +11

    The XM29 OICW is also kind of famous among Half-Life fans do to its role in the beta versions of Half-Life 2 as the standard-issue rifle of the Combine (a massive alien empire stretching across multiple universes). It was later replaced in the final version of the game by the Pulse Rifle, an energy weapon that functions like a regular assault rifle.

  • @m3gawither7734
    @m3gawither7734 3 роки тому +100

    The reason there is only 1 jackhammer left is because Zach destroyed them all

    • @tomboi941
      @tomboi941 3 роки тому +3

      dont let mike get his hands on it either

    • @derPetunientopf
      @derPetunientopf 3 роки тому +5

      Its one and a half now. Ian from forgotten weapons had the half one a short while ago on his channel.

    • @qrw460bhv6
      @qrw460bhv6 3 роки тому +1

      Ian found two more

    • @m3gawither7734
      @m3gawither7734 3 роки тому

      Zach: *heavy breathing*

  • @mj12m
    @mj12m 3 роки тому +49

    holy shot he pronounced heckler & koch correctly

    • @NEELZE99
      @NEELZE99 3 роки тому +4

      Yeah, but not Walther

    • @mrnice81
      @mrnice81 3 роки тому +1

      Meh, the 'Koch' was spot on, but he butchered the 'Heckler' and pronounced the ck similar to the ch in Koch.

  • @aotoda486
    @aotoda486 3 роки тому +42

    12:08 well, hold on, let's not forget about the Daewoo K11. Of course, there's no direct relationship, but it is quite the successor in spirit.

    • @GuardianOfTheHeaven
      @GuardianOfTheHeaven 3 роки тому +2

      And less complex, too, thanks to the more traditional, albeit manually operated, bolt-action grenade launcher(yep, you heard me right; a bolt-action grenade launcher). But that, too, soon begins to fail as well as it begins to suffer catastrophic damages, and like the XM29 OICW, found to be too bulky and heavy as well, and very late, too. Very interesting take for a Korean-made guns, otherwise.

    • @aotoda486
      @aotoda486 3 роки тому +7

      @@GuardianOfTheHeaven Interestingly, despite all its troubles, the K11 is already in service: 2 airburst grenadiers every squad (in addition to the underslung grenadiers)

    • @bodyno3158
      @bodyno3158 3 роки тому +1

      Daewoo K11, QTS-11, PAPOP... The list goes on, most of them won't get adopted though.

    • @Moonstalker
      @Moonstalker 2 роки тому +1

      actually it does as americans have sold the prints of the OICW to the South koreans to make the K11

  • @Nick930
    @Nick930 3 роки тому +129

    12:35 nah... I recognize it from Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter

  • @mindlessconsumer
    @mindlessconsumer Рік тому +16

    Walther 2000 also appeared in Twilight:2000, but I used a scope on my HK-21 machine gun on single shot for sniping unless the Barrett was handy.

  • @lodagin
    @lodagin 3 роки тому +7

    "And remember, drawing your weapon is always faster than unfolding one"

  • @fireaza
    @fireaza 3 роки тому +114

    It's nice to see Hot Dogs Horseshoes and Hand Grenades getting some representation on UA-cam!

  • @Avocado7765
    @Avocado7765 2 роки тому +6

    I love how they show the h3vr clip in every gun because that game has everything

  • @wookie-zh7go
    @wookie-zh7go 3 роки тому +6

    You know what else is rare that's always in video games, an L85A1 dumping a whole mag without stoppage xD

  • @By-s
    @By-s 3 роки тому +18

    where I saw these weapons for the first time:
    Jackhammer: Die hard trilogy 2 - ps1
    Hk G11: Syphon filter 2 - ps1 under the name H11
    Wa 2000: Hitman blood money - ps2
    FMG: Syphon filter 3 - ps1 under the name Mars
    OICW: Soldner secret wars - PC
    XM8: Ghost recon advanced warfighter 2 - PC under the name m8
    XM25: COD MW3 - PC
    PS: According to Ian from forgotten weapons, The only surviving copy of The Jackhammer is merely a proof of concept prototype, which explains the unpractical reloading mechanism that requires partially disassembling the gun....check out the story behind the gun and the company on forgotten weapons which is sad.

    • @igodreamer7096
      @igodreamer7096 3 роки тому +1

      nice

    • @tkondor
      @tkondor 3 роки тому +1

      I remember the Jackhammer from Project I.G.I.

    • @BradderzSG
      @BradderzSG 3 роки тому

      I first saw the Jackhammer in Total Recall

  • @Rltvader1
    @Rltvader1 3 роки тому +51

    I love how you didn't even mention that the HK G11 went through multiple trials and developments, had it's ammunition developed to be reliable, and one last thing, was formerly procured and money was put aside in the German budget to buy a number of them, planning to replace G3s in service up to 2002. It only was pulled because the wall came down.

    • @coobk373
      @coobk373 2 роки тому +6

      or the thought behind the overengineered design:
      put as many bullets down range before the recoil kicks in

    • @steffenknoll9136
      @steffenknoll9136 2 роки тому +12

      @@coobk373 It was not "as many bullets" as possible, but only for the three-shot-burst - similiar to design of the two-shot-burst of the AN-94. The idea was for conscripted shooters to have the accuracy of a single shot and the high rate of fire of a burst.

    • @jeffbenton6183
      @jeffbenton6183 2 роки тому

      @@steffenknoll9136 True. Although conscripted soldiers might have a rough time actually maintaining the thing.

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta Рік тому +1

      You love seeing yourself repeat things that are common knowledge among the sort of person watching this video and pretending that they make you smart

    • @thicboibigsmoke7220
      @thicboibigsmoke7220 Рік тому

      @@jeffbenton6183 it’s a weapon that uses clockwork, and it was gonna be used by Germans, I’d bed that they definitely knew how to maintain it

  • @chrisbrent7487
    @chrisbrent7487 3 роки тому +20

    There have been automatic shotguns that have been put into serial production. The AA12 and USAS come to mind as does the Saiga which has had automatic versions made. The WA2000 doesn't really count as a weapon that "isn't as real as you think" as it is real and went into serial production albeit a small production.
    "

  • @purpleYamask
    @purpleYamask 2 роки тому +5

    Fun fact: the SMG in Halo uses a top-loading caseless ammo mag as direct nods to the P90 and G11.

  • @alexm566
    @alexm566 Рік тому +8

    One thing in games, your arms don't get tired and accuracy drop even after firing thousands of rounds

  • @Gottaculat
    @Gottaculat 3 роки тому +5

    As a long time gamer turned to gun enthusiast, I'm actually impressed by the selection in this video.
    The WA-2000 and the Thompson were my two favorite video game guns of all time, and when I became a gun owner and looked into buying either of them, my heart sank. Like the video showed, the WA-2000 starts around the $21K-$28K price range.
    As for the Thompson, an actual proper one with full-auto capability is gonna START at around $44K in bad condition, and ones in great condition can get as high as $145K.
    I found it amazing you can buy a semi-auto .50BMG like the M82 for less than half the price of a WA-2000, and the M82 and similar .50BMG semi-autos are gonna run you about $9K if you get the heavy af steel ones, or about $12K for the light weight carbon fiber models out there (they sell about 4 different variations at my local gun shop). Even those are way outside of a reasonable price range.
    So what've I bought? Well, I built my own 5.56x45mm AR-15 (no kit, just pure Frankenrifle) of about a $1,600 value for about $900 (building your own and buying parts during sales is the way to go), and my current project is an Enfield No.4 Mk1* that some fool sporterized (thank God they didn't chop the barrel or scallop the receiver). Bought it for $200, and have been restoring it to factory-spec, but also outfitted it with a 4-14x44mm first focal plane scope, and have made my own custom hand loaded ammo, and this thing is shooting 1,000 yards now with what I'd call "combat accuracy," all under $700 total.
    Video games got me into guns, and I couldn't be happier, even if a ton of iconic video game guns will never be mine.
    Was pretty funny that games had me convinced Glocks are awesome, but first time I held one, I know my face immediately turned to disgust; the grip is one of the worst grips I've ever held. Ended up favoring the Sig P226 - those things are sa-weet! Sig P365 is also a great pistol. While I'm upset with Springfield Armory, I also can't deny their Springfield XD is also a pleasure to shoot. My favorite handgun so far, though has been my .40S&W Astra A-100, which I've never once seen in any game or movie. Basically a heavy, all-steel version of the Sig P226. The steel frame can let you ramp up the .40S&W to some spicy handloads, significantly more powerful than .45ACP and about the same speed as 9mm, but with a big ol' 180gn bullet. Not as high cap as 9mm, as the gun is 13+1, but damn, looks classy af, is pin-point accurate, and has enough power to drop a black bear, making it a great defensive auto loader to have on your hip hunting in the mountains.
    Anyway, great video. I could talk both guns and games for days, lol!

  • @dumbleking5172
    @dumbleking5172 2 роки тому +2

    I can hear Zach crying tears of joy that the horrors of the Pancore Jackhammer are shown bare for everyone to see.
    He's also crying tears of joy because now he has something to direct Mike to in the case he brings it up again.

  • @joshuaradick5679
    @joshuaradick5679 3 роки тому +9

    Everyone: FMG isn’t real.
    Magpul: Well actually...

  • @Yas_Sin
    @Yas_Sin 3 роки тому +11

    I saw the jackhammer and the G11 at first in project IGI and IGI 2 Covert Strike respectively, god i loved the first game, i might even go play it now just to remember the good old days !

    • @muwuny
      @muwuny 3 роки тому +1

      Have you heard about IGI Origins?

    • @Yas_Sin
      @Yas_Sin 3 роки тому

      @@muwuny Man i just heard it from you, this is one of the best news i've heard lately, thanks a lot !

  • @cantdestroyher7245
    @cantdestroyher7245 3 роки тому +5

    What I’ve gathered from this is that realistically, simplicity is the best selling point for a gun

    • @VertigoFree
      @VertigoFree 3 роки тому +1

      1. Functionality
      2. Modularity
      3. Simplicity
      4. Cost.
      This isn't a fixed order. This is just what various MoDs tend to focus on when reviewing guns.

    • @TheLakabanzaichrg
      @TheLakabanzaichrg 2 роки тому +1

      Simplicity and costs

  • @katieell4084
    @katieell4084 3 роки тому +2

    They skipped over the most interesting thing about the G11 - it has a 3-rouind burst fire mode that was designed to be capable of sending three bullets downrange before the user feels any recoil. This burst was so fast that if the first shot was a little off target, at least one round would hit and an on-target shot had a high chance of putting all three rounds in the target almost all at once. They never figured out how to properly deal with the heat buildup of a mostly closed firing mechanism, but some of the system designs survived and might be used in future weapons.
    For the record, I first encountered this gun in Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain. I had a large book called Modern Small Arms on my coffee table at the time, and it was pretty cool to use an exotic gun like this in the game and then read about in a book on real guns. Also, the G3 in that game was borderline OP, but was super fun to use.

  • @verneh6764
    @verneh6764 3 роки тому +2

    I remember first seeing the OICW as the more advanced NICW (Nanotech Individual Combat Weapon) in Red Faction 2, which looks incredibly similar. It was my favorite gun in that game, the assault rifle and grenade launcher combination was versatile and worked for everything you needed. It also featured the innate ability to highlight enemies with teal hologram boxes through walls at medium to close range, along with showing their HP value, which was pretty cool!
    Finding out it was an actual real weapon is pretty amazing, sad the idea didn't stick though.

    • @skullmn3534
      @skullmn3534 2 роки тому

      Surprised there wasn't footage of RF2 in the video. On the first stage of the game, it's not painted blue, nor labeled as the NICW, (not sure the target tracking/data worked or not,) which I thought was an odd detail they included. So I looked it up to find it was based on the OICW.

  • @CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts
    @CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts 3 роки тому +11

    Another would be the LSAT Battlefield and Ghost Recon Future Soldier both featured it when its been a functioning prototype for a decade or more

    • @slavsupreme5129
      @slavsupreme5129 3 роки тому +1

      Absolute shame it didn’t seemingly proceed beyond the trial stage for the Army, seems like such a cool weapon platform

    • @CarbonFiberToiletPaper
      @CarbonFiberToiletPaper 3 роки тому +1

      The LSAT was a boss in Bo2

  • @bitter_one1336
    @bitter_one1336 3 роки тому +39

    The Magpul PDR warrants a mention for the sequel.

    • @hoppinggnomethe4154
      @hoppinggnomethe4154 3 роки тому

      because it's not that popular in video games

    • @ghostly6175
      @ghostly6175 3 роки тому

      @@hoppinggnomethe4154 Ghost recon wildlands/breakpoint, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Contract wars, Ghost recon future soldier are the only games I know of with the pdr

  • @wittsullivan8130
    @wittsullivan8130 3 роки тому +2

    The Pancor Jackhammer was also in Fallout and Fallout 2. The G-11's caseless ammo led to current ammo development that's almost there.

  • @MannyXVIII
    @MannyXVIII 3 роки тому +46

    3:03 I could slap the developer of this game for makng a CASELESS ammunition using rifle eject spend cartridges

    • @gunmadonna
      @gunmadonna 3 роки тому +1

      tbf one of the main stumbling points with the caseless system the g11 uses is that it still has a plastic byproduct, so it practically still has cartridges, only they eject straight out the barrel

    • @nickspencerfishingrodd2383
      @nickspencerfishingrodd2383 3 роки тому +1

      @@gunmadonna that's a really weird gun

  • @koryfredrick1164
    @koryfredrick1164 3 роки тому +38

    I just came on this video to see the obligatory
    Pancor Jackhammer in the thumbnail
    angry Zach noises
    comments.
    You can keep scrolling now

    • @Iijjccbb
      @Iijjccbb 3 роки тому

      I’m here for that too

  • @Tekka87
    @Tekka87 3 роки тому +8

    Cool to see H3VR get some mainstream exposure. Easily the best gun simulation.

    • @IrregularDave
      @IrregularDave 3 роки тому +1

      I’ve only recently started playing with VR and it’s already my most played game. I was watching Jeditobiwan videos before I even owned a headset

  • @JolanXBL
    @JolanXBL 2 роки тому +1

    10:00 Red Faction 2 has this, called the NICW. It's a silenced mg, with second fire being a fast moving grenade with no drop. It's practically an explosive-tipped railgun.

  • @Efreeti
    @Efreeti 2 роки тому +3

    The G11 was almost adopted. It made it through endurance trials, troop trials, and was greenlit. Really the thing that stopped it was the fall of the Berlin Wall and reunification of Germany. Less need for defense, money needed for reunification infrastructure and projects, and also surplus AK-74s from East Germany, and the adoption was cancelled.

  • @jackburton9035
    @jackburton9035 3 роки тому +56

    This video should be called “4 out of these 5 were very real weapons that were made and tested”

    • @By-s
      @By-s 3 роки тому +11

      All of them were made and tested.

    • @Jack-tu5zf
      @Jack-tu5zf 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, however that wouldn't get as many clicks...

    • @Mr_Makina
      @Mr_Makina 3 роки тому +1

      Well, I mean, its not really a lie, they weren't exactly real in their stance compared to other firearms, they were mainly just tossed to the back burner and forgotten about until games needed something different.

    • @koryfredrick1164
      @koryfredrick1164 3 роки тому +4

      I think what OP meant was that the Jackhammer never went past prototyping stage, and while none of these weapons saw any actual adoption or service, the Jackhammer was far, far away from having a production model.

    • @By-s
      @By-s 3 роки тому +1

      @@koryfredrick1164 At least the Xm8 was adopted by Malaysia's navy specops.

  • @iforgot87872
    @iforgot87872 3 роки тому +4

    3:04- woah I’m having a nostalgia attack. Someone help. I wasn’t ready.

  • @PikkaBird
    @PikkaBird 3 роки тому +2

    3:25 Indeed it did, but the snippet you show has the Jackhammer on display (the G-11 was also in Land Warrior, BTW).

  • @FlyboyHelosim
    @FlyboyHelosim 3 роки тому +1

    Two of my personal favorites not featured in this video are the O'Dwyer VLe (dual-caliber caseless 'Metal Storm' handgun) in Soldier Of Fortune: Payback, and the Crye Associates MR-C (bullpup 6.8mm caseless assault rifle with 50 round mag) in Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter and its sequel.

  • @igodreamer7096
    @igodreamer7096 3 роки тому +7

    In Syphon Filter 3 we have a g11 that can shoot through walls. You forget to mention that game

    • @By-s
      @By-s 3 роки тому +3

      Nope, that was the AU300 which was based on the Steyr AUG, the g11 (called h11 in the game wich made its first appearance in Syphon filter 2) was just a scoped automatic rifle.

    • @igodreamer7096
      @igodreamer7096 3 роки тому +1

      @@By-s Oh, I get wrong then. Thanks! ^^

  • @shplamana
    @shplamana 3 роки тому +6

    How you going to do my favorite forgotten action hero, Gabe Logan, dirty like that and not mention the G11 was in Syphon Filter. It was an absolute beast of a weapon in that game.

  • @jake.klusewitz
    @jake.klusewitz 2 роки тому

    I know this videos a bit older, but really loving this series. Keep it up!

  • @TheTimelapseTraveler
    @TheTimelapseTraveler 2 роки тому

    Loving this series of videos!

  • @Ok-gs4ge
    @Ok-gs4ge 3 роки тому +11

    Fun fact: The OICW was intended to be in Half Life 2

    • @Moonstalker
      @Moonstalker 2 роки тому +1

      The OICW is quite widespread but only SOF 2 used all its intended features on it.
      Most games only had it as a scoped assault rifle with a semi auto grenade either used as alt fire or as a fire mode.

    • @christ4032
      @christ4032 2 роки тому

      @@Moonstalker The original Ghost Recon used it as well including with the laser and airburst

  • @someone1tohold
    @someone1tohold 3 роки тому +4

    i remember seeing the g-11 in guns and ammo. sometime in the mid to late 80's then again in fallout2 . neat gun but still had some kinks to work out.

  • @pepperachu
    @pepperachu 3 роки тому +1

    Fmg and g11 are my favorite forgotten attempts...well made video!

  • @speedevil22
    @speedevil22 3 роки тому +2

    props for the Hardline footage. Sometimes i think im the only person who genuinely liked that game. Had it released without the Battlefield branding, as its own IP. It may have done well.

  • @HeliSniper479
    @HeliSniper479 3 роки тому +3

    The OICW is very similar to the K11 rifle that South Korea are currently developing and looking to implement into their armed forces. I suspect the K11 was inspired by the OICW but I I'm not sure.

  • @Zodiac3107
    @Zodiac3107 3 роки тому +5

    The G11 is also the JSSDF main weapon in Evangelion.

  • @toaster9922
    @toaster9922 2 роки тому +1

    3:04 “It was an experiment in a caseless ammunition weapon system”
    *Footage shows cases flying out of the G11*

  • @cmm07r
    @cmm07r 3 роки тому +2

    Delta Force game, now that's a blast from the past. Also, the OICW made a movie appearance in Die Another Day when Col. Moon used it to blow up the helicopter with "Depleted uranium shells, naturally"

  • @deathraygonzo6339
    @deathraygonzo6339 3 роки тому +37

    HK G11: "Hans, i'm going to make ze cuckoo clock into into a gun!"

    • @timo4463
      @timo4463 2 роки тому

      that one is good even when its so simple

  • @tomasu301
    @tomasu301 3 роки тому +3

    To this day, I still think FMG9 is one of the best inspirations for weapons that can be foldable and concealed. Maybe for security purpose, it is not good deal but for fast reaction team like GSG9 who might need some kind of fire power against threats with automatic weapons. In addition, currently they have pistol to carbine conversion kit which eliminate the folding ready system existed on previous foldable weapons.

  • @Homerboy44
    @Homerboy44 Рік тому

    You guys added 007 NightFire's AIMS-20 on the OICW segment, that made my day right there.

  • @Azeria
    @Azeria Рік тому

    9:20, MW3 specifically was set in the near future, 2013, which is why guns like that, CM901, KSG-12, and the latter mentioned XM25 as well, they were speculating on current prototype weapons that might’ve shortly seen service

  • @kunalkishore2897
    @kunalkishore2897 3 роки тому +8

    Only legends know how awesome and badass is jackhammer in Project IGI 1,2

  • @acedirt2346
    @acedirt2346 3 роки тому +5

    Thanks for showing off footage from H3VR.

  • @mrspidrexe9625
    @mrspidrexe9625 2 роки тому +2

    when I found out that the G11 is a disaster gun, I was like: my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined

  • @pranavkamath6658
    @pranavkamath6658 3 роки тому +7

    Magpul just put out a video, with some short clips of the FMG-9 and a headline saying “We’re Making It”

  • @RandomGuy0127
    @RandomGuy0127 Рік тому +3

    Fun Fact: The OICW was planned to be in Half Life 2 however was scrapped and replaced by the far more futuristic Pulse Rifle

  • @StyxDescension
    @StyxDescension 3 роки тому +3

    I knew the jackhammer was rare, but I never knew there was only ONE! That's awesome.
    I'm very surprised you didn't cover the Saritch 308. It has appeared in a few games, but the gun never existed!

    • @IrregularDave
      @IrregularDave 3 роки тому

      Oh gosh. That ugly ass sniper rifle that looks like it was made from Knex?

  • @nikik5567
    @nikik5567 3 роки тому +1

    I’m not sure if the WA-2000 really fits into this cuz it’s a very real weapon system, it just wasn’t a commercial or military success. But it was very much made.

  • @GeneralFatman27
    @GeneralFatman27 Рік тому +1

    The OICW era of video game weapons was pretty cool though. That thing was a beast in Nightfire.

  • @MikeNepo
    @MikeNepo 3 роки тому +3

    There's a WA2000 on auction right now on Rock Island. Estimated 50-75k but I'm POSITIVE it will sell for well over 100k.

    • @cspcchcody
      @cspcchcody 3 роки тому

      WAIT, they have it on sale ???

    • @MikeNepo
      @MikeNepo 3 роки тому

      @@cspcchcody Rock Island is an extremely high-end auction house. It's up for auction this month. They have tons of rare, unique and historical firearms all the time. Forgotten Weapons here on YT has made countless videos on interesting guns they put up for auction.

  • @altanis1499
    @altanis1499 3 роки тому +5

    I remember loving the OICW in Ghost recon: jungle storm. Never thought it was a real gun though

    • @steffenknoll9136
      @steffenknoll9136 2 роки тому +1

      It was great in Ghost recon, just a too complex and heavy beast to carry around in RL.

  • @arforafro5523
    @arforafro5523 3 роки тому +2

    The Jackhammer doesnt get too much attention nowadays compared to the other entries since the AA12 and Saiga 12 are pretty much the go-to "fully automatic drum mag shotgun" for msot videogames and even then it has to compete with the USAS-12 too. It looks really cool/futuristic but sometimes too much to feel grounded like the G11, OICW or WA2000 which still show up every now and then, guess it's popular streak ran out just like with the FMG-9.

  • @BlackWACat
    @BlackWACat 3 роки тому +2

    hearing about G11 always hurts
    it’s such a cool fucking weapon, man, it makes me sad that it never got into at least a small bit of production

  • @vaniellys
    @vaniellys 3 роки тому +17

    "looks like a reject from Stargate SG-1" I don't know how I should take this... They used real weapons like FN P90 and HK MP5.

    • @Zack_Wester
      @Zack_Wester 3 роки тому

      there was that weird SMG/LMG or what it was that carter had to carter around for a few episods because the P90 Blank rounds was getting hard to get because the factory making them was ordered to make real bullets for the army.

    • @RideTheLightning93
      @RideTheLightning93 2 роки тому +1

      @@Zack_Wester The "Carter Special"! I fucking loved that thing, lol. And it was because P90s were getting difficult to find during the Iraq War. The Carter Special did manage to make it into seven episodes, though.

  • @luckiller019
    @luckiller019 3 роки тому +3

    TFW you had seen most of hem in Forgotten weapon channel¨
    Im so envy of gunJesus

  • @TFD_Animations
    @TFD_Animations 3 роки тому

    That 007 Agent Under Fire clip of it's "D-17" made my day!

  • @ChevTecGroup
    @ChevTecGroup 3 роки тому +1

    Supposedly serial number 2 of the jackhammer came out of nowhere and was for sale at a gunshow last week

  • @JimIBobIJones
    @JimIBobIJones 3 роки тому +31

    I think gamespot is confusing "rare" with "real".

    • @grootsyt
      @grootsyt 3 роки тому

      clickbait title

    • @MisterGunpowder257
      @MisterGunpowder257 3 роки тому +3

      Generally, in this context, the weapon's existence is basically no different than a theory. We have physical examples, but the guns themselves were at best used for a brief blip in time. If a gun isn't available for military or commercial use and exists only as a handful of extant firearms that can't (or won't) be fired, then it's no different than if they only existed as a theoretical design.

  • @dustojnikhummer
    @dustojnikhummer 3 роки тому +3

    "Reject from SG-1" Now I'm imaging Teal'c with two G11 instead of teo P90's

  • @mdyas1711
    @mdyas1711 26 днів тому +1

    XM290 - aka, "Whoops we made a war crime." For those not aware a part of the Geneva Conventions is no explosive bullets, grenades have a minimum size they need to be to count as a grenade. The one on this weapon did not qualify. So it was an explosive bullet, and yeah you could program it to explode above a target. You could also program it to explode IN the target.

  • @Tekdruid
    @Tekdruid 2 роки тому +1

    I first came across the G11 in Jagged Alliance 2, where it's this unique almost-SciFi rifle with a burst mode that kind of goes _srrrppp_ and makes enemies's heads explode in gore. Accurately presented in-game as being fiendishly hard to repair or find the right ammunition for.

    • @Clebardman
      @Clebardman 2 роки тому

      I still reinstall that game every few year. Most hilarious thing I ever played, I can't get tired of the characters banter! The G11 ingame is quirky to use but reaaaally strong with the right accessories and a psychotic character :p.

  • @RikkertPaulB
    @RikkertPaulB 3 роки тому +3

    I missed the PDR-C, another gun by Magpul that only exists in games and airsoft.

    • @timo4463
      @timo4463 2 роки тому

      i kinda miss the aek i am not sure in how many games she were in but atleast in BF 3 and 4

  • @gano3717
    @gano3717 3 роки тому +6

    No one talk about the jackhammer in project igi 😭

  • @WasatchGarandMan
    @WasatchGarandMan 3 роки тому +1

    I was OBSESSED with the XM29 as a kid. I literally drooled every time I saw one.

  • @j4ff4c3ks1
    @j4ff4c3ks1 2 роки тому +1

    About the OICW, it also bears worth mentioning that even the XM25 has been criticized by it's weight and bulk for it's rather niche application; airburst grenades really are something that sounds really cool but hard to apply in practice.