End of SCRIPT BOOK for Shiv and Tom in the car : An accomodation, an equilibrium, that could last with a certain stabilty, proxy wars and detentes for many years to come..nothing needy from either side. A queen and a prince. Two bombs transported with great care.
Or another nuance: What Shiv really needs from Tom is pain, and she knows he's holding out on her. That they're able to have fun-and this is probably not the intended message by the writers-shows that there's a *chance* they might figure something out. It'll be depraved. It'll also be love.
@@Nonaggress This severely misses the fact that tom is indulging her. He WOULD rather be talking to a hot model. Nothing about this pestering is attractive or fun. I know you can have fun doing it, but coming from shiv where she is actually trying to convince herself that she is this much of a scorpion is NOT fun to be around. It's the same unloving feeling everyone got from Logan and the only reason HE was ever nice to Tom is because Tom never asked him for anything and remained 100% nonthreatening (except for one time he ate his chicken, in which case he was slightly concerned about his potato salad). Shiv will not play fun games with Tom until she has effectively out loud established he is a miserably little worm to her. Then and only then will she engage in the ritual of arm gnawing.
This was foreplay for them lol. Shiv loves needling Tom to get a reaction and is secretly delighted Tom won't budge, Tom loves being needled by Shiv because he knows from Shiv it's a sign of love...it's perfect. They're perfect.
@vaxan5126 Bruh 💀 Siobhan is a horrible person, but so is Tom. Blud was using a co-worker as a human feet-holder. Bruh was born in a presumably "normal" family, yet he wants to hover aound the Roys because of their money, even though the treat him like sh¡t. Bruh takes every chance he gets to humiliate those below him. Bruh is possessive towards Gregg, attacking him every time he seeks independence. Even with Siobhan, he proposes to her at a moment of weakness, knowing she would need him emotionallly and would be unlikely to say no. So yeah, Tom is fairly a toxic person himself, who will ally himself with these people just for money and influence and has no problem letting them humiliate him if it gets him an access to this world.
The look away at 1:27 is the most important, because it shows us that Shiv knows he's right. He fucked her up but not by what he did to her, but by her not letting him in all the way
@@cometface I think it also speaks to how duplicity is the characters' preferred language, thanks to the way they've been raised. Earnestness always takes them aback since it's the exception and not the rule. They always ask each other, "is this real?" and I'm sure that was what Shiv was thinking when Tom gave a heartfelt, no-strings-attached apology.
Eh he married her for her money and both of them know that, sure there is a genuine love their but let's not pretend that Tom's intentions were ever pure.
I think you are right and frankly I think he is the only person she has any genuine love for also. That phone call.....she really was allowing herself to be vulnerable. He was honest and it really hurt her.....
@@rashadginn8768 Just because it's love doesn't mean it is healthy or even acceptable. Lots of people show love in horrifying and inhuman ways. They can build a healthy relationship if they (and more specifically Tom) can forgive each other. Whether Tom *should* is an open question.
2:30 I see this scene as a symbol of the two of them (re)uniting. With their hands intertwined and the camera showing them both with their wedding rings still on. Honestly, I’m kinda rooting for them.
Shiv has spent three seasons hiding her emotions from everyone and it's getting harder and harder for her to keep it up. The look at 1:30 after she says "I was fucked up long before I met you" says everything. She broke his heart and he broke hers, whether she admits it or not. I hope Sarah Snook takes the best actress emmy, such an incredible performer
oh my god i didnt even notice this, thanks for pointing it out ... sarah snook is insanely talented!!! as a sort of parallel, her look away here reminds me of another instance in s4, i dont remember which episode, when her and tom are in the car together and something tom says makes her smile but she looks out the window for a split second so he cant see it before turning back to him
@@pursuitofvictories5 Yes I noticed that moment too! It's interesting because Snook and Mcfadyen both do this - they react to situations with two expressions, first the fake emotion and then the real one. Tom does this the most, he'll laugh and smile and then his face will settle into sadness or discomfort immediately after. The difference is that he shows it openly and no one seems to notice or care (poor Tom), whereas Shiv always hides it. It's a great representation of how they are both major fakers but deep down Tom wants to connect and be vulnerable, (hence why he seeks out Greg in moments of heightened emotion) whereas Shiv will always be in defense mode because showing true emotions is a weakness. Which also happens to be the main cause of their relationship problems. God I love this show!!
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ until this season, we never really knew what Shiv and Tom were like together in bed. After this scene, they're much more flirty and affectionate, and we see them text each other about how good the sex is getting.
1:10 *"Fucking me up? Is he serious? HIM fuck ME up?"* Laugh then look back *"Oh God, he really means this, he really thinks this, we can't have that, he is nothing"* Shiv: Oh, you should be so lucky!
Obviously you haven't been paying attention to Tom the past four seasons. Yes, Tom is a gold digger. We know this. He knows this. She knows this. But he actually does really love Shiv. It's tragic seeing this guy unveil his heart and bear his soul to her, only to see her coldly dismiss him, deflect with humor and sarcasm, make it about her, change the subject.
I think the safest bet is that the money wasn't why Tom loved Shiv; it was why he never hated her.
Damn, perfectly said.
DAMMM, goooodddd
I don't think shiv's p was that good lol it's always the money
@@vaxan5126let’s not get carried away now
Bitey perfectly sums up their relationship. They’re gonna keep hurting each other until someone can’t take it anymore
End of SCRIPT BOOK for Shiv and Tom in the car :
An accomodation, an equilibrium, that could last with a certain stabilty, proxy wars and detentes for many years to come..nothing needy from either side.
A queen and a prince.
Two bombs transported with great care.
Or another nuance: What Shiv really needs from Tom is pain, and she knows he's holding out on her.
That they're able to have fun-and this is probably not the intended message by the writers-shows that there's a *chance* they might figure something out.
It'll be depraved. It'll also be love.
@@Nonaggress This severely misses the fact that tom is indulging her. He WOULD rather be talking to a hot model. Nothing about this pestering is attractive or fun. I know you can have fun doing it, but coming from shiv where she is actually trying to convince herself that she is this much of a scorpion is NOT fun to be around. It's the same unloving feeling everyone got from Logan and the only reason HE was ever nice to Tom is because Tom never asked him for anything and remained 100% nonthreatening (except for one time he ate his chicken, in which case he was slightly concerned about his potato salad). Shiv will not play fun games with Tom until she has effectively out loud established he is a miserably little worm to her. Then and only then will she engage in the ritual of arm gnawing.
This was foreplay for them lol. Shiv loves needling Tom to get a reaction and is secretly delighted Tom won't budge, Tom loves being needled by Shiv because he knows from Shiv it's a sign of love...it's perfect. They're perfect.
Love them so much.
They were so toxic and harmful to each other.
But at the same time, they had such chemistry.
It's funny how when the woman is toxic and then eventually you become the same the narrative is "both were toxic"
@vaxan5126 Bruh 💀
Siobhan is a horrible person, but so is Tom.
Blud was using a co-worker as a human feet-holder.
Bruh was born in a presumably "normal" family, yet he wants to hover aound the Roys because of their money, even though the treat him like sh¡t.
Bruh takes every chance he gets to humiliate those below him.
Bruh is possessive towards Gregg, attacking him every time he seeks independence.
Even with Siobhan, he proposes to her at a moment of weakness, knowing she would need him emotionallly and would be unlikely to say no.
So yeah, Tom is fairly a toxic person himself, who will ally himself with these people just for money and influence and has no problem letting them humiliate him if it gets him an access to this world.
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-ΔTHANK YOUUU finally someone sees him the way I see him it’s true Shiv is a horrible person but Tom is not a saint he is also horrible
Sarah Snook's facial acting is fucking unreal, such a rapid cascade of a million emotions. 1:10 to 1:20 is just mesmerizing.
She is very good. Tremendous acting skills
The look away at 1:27 is the most important, because it shows us that Shiv knows he's right. He fucked her up but not by what he did to her, but by her not letting him in all the way
@@cometface I think it also speaks to how duplicity is the characters' preferred language, thanks to the way they've been raised. Earnestness always takes them aback since it's the exception and not the rule. They always ask each other, "is this real?" and I'm sure that was what Shiv was thinking when Tom gave a heartfelt, no-strings-attached apology.
I hate Shiv but the actrees is brilliant
Skarsgard said this about her eyes on the HBO podcast.
I don't think Shiv would have ever let Tom go. He may have been the only person in her life that truly loved her, and she knows it.
Eh he married her for her money and both of them know that, sure there is a genuine love their but let's not pretend that Tom's intentions were ever pure.
@@berserkhorimiyahe married her with a goal in mind, sure, but why cant it also be that he genuinely loved her? Both can be true haha
I think you are right and frankly I think he is the only person she has any genuine love for also. That phone call.....she really was allowing herself to be vulnerable. He was honest and it really hurt her.....
@@berserkhorimiyaBut look at season 2. Man or Woman don't deserve that type of treatment. Shiv was out of hand towards Tom
@@rashadginn8768 Just because it's love doesn't mean it is healthy or even acceptable. Lots of people show love in horrifying and inhuman ways.
They can build a healthy relationship if they (and more specifically Tom) can forgive each other. Whether Tom *should* is an open question.
2:30 I see this scene as a symbol of the two of them (re)uniting. With their hands intertwined and the camera showing them both with their wedding rings still on. Honestly, I’m kinda rooting for them.
Also “bitey” as their unifying act is so apt for their broken relationship.
A stupid, unsanitary kid's game is the literal perfect metaphor for their entire relationship LOL.
Hygiene is for the weak.
I had a more mature relationship relationship than them when i was in secondary school
Shiv has spent three seasons hiding her emotions from everyone and it's getting harder and harder for her to keep it up. The look at 1:30 after she says "I was fucked up long before I met you" says everything. She broke his heart and he broke hers, whether she admits it or not. I hope Sarah Snook takes the best actress emmy, such an incredible performer
oh my god i didnt even notice this, thanks for pointing it out ... sarah snook is insanely talented!!! as a sort of parallel, her look away here reminds me of another instance in s4, i dont remember which episode, when her and tom are in the car together and something tom says makes her smile but she looks out the window for a split second so he cant see it before turning back to him
@@pursuitofvictories5 Yes I noticed that moment too! It's interesting because Snook and Mcfadyen both do this - they react to situations with two expressions, first the fake emotion and then the real one. Tom does this the most, he'll laugh and smile and then his face will settle into sadness or discomfort immediately after. The difference is that he shows it openly and no one seems to notice or care (poor Tom), whereas Shiv always hides it.
It's a great representation of how they are both major fakers but deep down Tom wants to connect and be vulnerable, (hence why he seeks out Greg in moments of heightened emotion) whereas Shiv will always be in defense mode because showing true emotions is a weakness. Which also happens to be the main cause of their relationship problems.
God I love this show!!
They are both finally revealing themselves to each other.
It says something that this is the ONLY time we hear about their sex life, and apparently it's great
What does this mean?@@Nonaggress
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ until this season, we never really knew what Shiv and Tom were like together in bed. After this scene, they're much more flirty and affectionate, and we see them text each other about how good the sex is getting.
Acting like a highschool couple at a company event 😂😂
their relationship is so scrumptious i will never love any relationship more
What.
The Tom/Shiv/Greg love triangle is my Roman Empire (no pun intended)
this makes sense from someone with a will graham profile picture
Bitey, boar on the floor… good family fun
I want to see Bitey outtakes.
God, they just circled and then attacked each other, like sharks.
1:10 *"Fucking me up? Is he serious? HIM fuck ME up?"* Laugh then look back *"Oh God, he really means this, he really thinks this, we can't have that, he is nothing"*
Shiv: Oh, you should be so lucky!
Tom made her run off. He played too rough😂
there's GOTTA be lines they cut after this
this was yuri
Literally.
u get it
Good thing Tom is a pain sponge
Tom is trying so hard.. but shiv… is ALOT an makes things so hard.
Shiv always looking at Tom's package. 😂
What minutw
I noticed 😂 yeah
@@angelhadid2062 2:14 I think is this part
His package😭😂😂do you mean his front of his back I'm confused??
Shiv mistake througout the series was underestimating Tom. She thought her name meant she had the upper hand with Tom. She was so wrong
played bitey today
No one can beat me in this game 😊
This is precisely my field of expertise ❤
I need to know the song too, please!
Explorando
I wanna play Bitey with someone like that 😫
This is not a kid's game
Just cause writing isn't subtle, doesn't mean it isn't great.
2:13
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@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δone comment said that she was looking at his package 😂
One episode later and everything goes to shit
On UA-cam
BRIDGE4 The truth about Shiv and Tom
JUST AN OBSERVATION playlist Succession
Both were incapable of authentic vulnerability for long periods of time wherefore their competitiveness ruined their chance at love & bonding
What is the song?
Shazam picked up Explorando by Oonga. Same tune but has lyrics.
@ thanks!!
Tom is a gold digger, otherwise he wouldn’t put up with this behavior
hes already quite rich tho
...did you even watch the episode
Man shut up lmao, what a surface level take. Also to Max Landis, write Chronicle 2 already.
I think he just likes crazy.
Obviously you haven't been paying attention to Tom the past four seasons.
Yes, Tom is a gold digger. We know this. He knows this. She knows this. But he actually does really love Shiv. It's tragic seeing this guy unveil his heart and bear his soul to her, only to see her coldly dismiss him, deflect with humor and sarcasm, make it about her, change the subject.
Shiv was so unlikable, they didn't give her one redeeming quality 😂 not even one, even greg had one
Thats the point, nobody had the all-round character to succeed, they are not serious people. That is why Tom became CEO.