The Chevy volt, and BMW i3 had range extenders. The small displacement engine didn’t hook up to the wheels, but it allowed for energy to be produced and extend the range of the vehicle. This is something that should be offered on most EVs. I think this would help with a Ev adoption, especially rural areas
The Volt’s range extender was fine mostly, but the i3’s was so unreliable and costly to maintain and repair that they ended up dropping the REX version and just selling the i3 as a pure EV for the last few years. People with short commutes also had an issue where the gasoline would spoil in the tank if it wasn’t used after several months. It’s a cool idea but it definitely needs advancement from the 2010s-era
15:25 I think the reality is we're heading towards a future where driving is more and more of a passive experience. There is a safety aspect missing with current cars which rely so heavily on touchscreens for everything and especially the ones which bury things you want to hand in secondary menus. Too many brands have rushed to follow Tesla opposed to question the logic and functionality of their interior designs.
This adds more weight, components and complexity to the whole system, without a big benefit in most cases (from a European viewpoint, distances in the US are far longer). So in general it makes more sense to just put a bigger battery in the vehicle. A range extender EV is just a type of plugin hybrid.
@@blairbrown4812 I mean it’s owned by VW, which has a commercial EV partnership with ford, and Volkswagen entered a software partnership with Rivian, so technically speaking, in a second cousin twice removed kinda way, it definitely could be
The first i3 and the Mazda Mx-30 were electric cars with Range extenders. The BYD shark also works this way. It’s PHEV but with no connection between engine and the wheels. The old Chevy Cruze was pretty much this.
I heard they have plans for a two door truck and a smaller SUV if they succeed with these. I’m routing for them. I’m curious to see the lower trim models as well.
Actually, the Yangwang u8 has an ICE for charging the battery. Personally, I don't know if I'm much of a fan, since the infrastructure where I live doesn't require an Ice engine at all, but for people living in the US, this does seem like a really good solution
Diesel locomotives have been diesel electric for 100 years. This is tried and true technology. I think it's about time we heard about something like this on passenger vehicles
I absolutely love these, I hope they will find their way over the pond. I especially love the front bench, so much nostalgia flowing in, EVs are actually a natural fit for something like this.
Yes! If you’re gonna be a ev pls don’t be a blob. It looks beautiful, hopefully they’ll make a two door convertible version and bring back those classic colors and cool patterned interiors
This is called a series hybrid if I remember correctly. A few cars in early 2010s used them, but they fell out of favor alongside the rest of the hybrid class of powertrains.
been waiting for your review lol the range extender is actually old tech ford is going to add it to the f250 supposedly i am glad they are going to have it in the scout it will make it better for travel and off-roading in my opinion im also glad for the body on frame and that it has mechanical lockers and a solid axel
I haven't watched your videos in a few months, but I've been around since the beginning of the channel, not used to the no cap and glasses look still lol.
Yes, range extenders have been done already…Nissan has a version of one in their Qashquai, called e-Power and Ram will have it with their Ramcharger EV, coming soon, which may have about 690 miles of range.
I wouldn’t say no one has thought about a range extender or REX. The BMW i3 had one as an option years ago. It was a Motorcycle engine coupled to a generator to charge the battery.
@@mcsike7264 You can make "American Sedans"... by excluding the D-pillars to many of such SUVs / trucks. Take Ford Explorer (who is also an "Interceptor" in Police version)... and remove its D-pillars. Taa-daa! "American, Jumbo, Big Mac, King-size, Extralarge, Supersized ... Sedan!"
@@RazvanMihaeanu lmao the reason why Americans dont want sedans anymore is bc oems trick em into thinking bigger vehicle is safer or you need a truck for that one time every two years your gonna tow something 😂
Gas engines in EVs have been done, just in other countries. Ram has an EV truck coming out soon with a gas engine to charge the battery. I'm no automotive engineer, but I believe its not a bad idea. Because the engine doesn't have to propel the car, I think it can be a simpler, possibly smaller, and more efficient engine, which saves fuel and costs lest to produce. This is in contrast to a plug in hybrid, which requires the engine to be able to propel the car.
Firstly, I think the styling on the outside and inside looks excellent. These are some of my favorite designs for an upcoming vehicle. I think the EV versions of these will turn out well. However, I have my doubts on the plug-in hybrid, or "extended range" versions. They're being strangely quiet on what the EV range will be on the model with the gas engine. Historically, EVs with "range extenders" tend to have much smaller batteries and shorter EV range than full EVs. Packaging both an ICEV powertrain and an EV powertrain into a single vehicle is expensive, and usually the first thing to get the chopping block is the battery. This is why I think you don't see this type of vehicle often, because a lot has to be sacrificed to make it work, which often results in a car that's expensive and poor performing compared to its full EV counterpart. Some of the most notable PHEVs/EREVs are the BMW i3 REx, Chevrolet Volt, Honda Clarity PHEV, and the Fisker Karma. None sold particularly well and all were eventually cancelled. It seems the only successful one (at least in the US) has been the Jeep Wrangler 4xe. I'm not against the tech, I just haven't been especially impressed with any so far, but I'll see if that changes with the extended range versions of these vehicles, and to a similar extent, the Ram Ramcharger.
i love modernized 80s and 70s designs with 2030 looks to it.... i love it, there is one concept of the mk3 supra looking insane on the internet, the mercedes restomod, hyundai n74, the ionic 5, the cybertruck they all look great
They are gorgeous. For range extender in USA makes sense especially if you are towing!! Like I would. But needs a simple motor that maintain rpms and just charges batteries and that's all. As all evs my main concern is the battery replacement really... They need to solve that particular probl m that affects all Evs.
I think range extended EVs and PHEVs in general have been rare simply bc its 2 complex drivetrains in 1 car. Its complex, and expensive, so its hard for that to hreak thru. Sure, certain politics and low fuel prices get in the way of electrification in general, but it takes time to mature the twchnology. An engine as a generator is set up and run very differently than ICE motors. You have to make changes, and it all takes time. At this point, we've advanced EV technology enough and developed PHEVs lomg enough to where different manufacturers feel good enough to try making more. Id like to see more if the large trucks/suvs use EREV technology, and smaller cars/crossovers be EVs. That should work the next couple decades, and when solid state batterues are in full swing, switch the large trucks/suvs over. Being on an electric platform with a range extender tacked on should help simplify it
Would love to see more electric motor vehicles with combustion engines driving generators instead of mechanical transmissions - the setup diesel locomotives have used for decades.
The launch timing is interesting. Scout will be coming to market at almost the exact same moment as solid state batteries will be coming to market in competing electric vehicles. For example, Toyota is saying their first solid state electric vehicle will launch in 2027 with a range of 625 miles and a charge time of ten mins. If true, this will be a major problem for Scout (and others).
BMW tried but failed with range extender, but that was silly for a small vehicle. Most EV don't need range extender ICE as just adds cost, complexity and packaging issues. Given most EV are driven near plenty of charging places and range is more than good for 95% of use, so range extender dumb idea. But for a vehicle that is designed for those who regularly go offroad and away from charging stations, it is the one situation it makes sense, for now.
The Chevy volt, and BMW i3 had range extenders. The small displacement engine didn’t hook up to the wheels, but it allowed for energy to be produced and extend the range of the vehicle. This is something that should be offered on most EVs. I think this would help with a Ev adoption, especially rural areas
The Volt’s range extender was fine mostly, but the i3’s was so unreliable and costly to maintain and repair that they ended up dropping the REX version and just selling the i3 as a pure EV for the last few years. People with short commutes also had an issue where the gasoline would spoil in the tank if it wasn’t used after several months. It’s a cool idea but it definitely needs advancement from the 2010s-era
correct
15:25 I think the reality is we're heading towards a future where driving is more and more of a passive experience.
There is a safety aspect missing with current cars which rely so heavily on touchscreens for everything and especially the ones which bury things you want to hand in secondary menus.
Too many brands have rushed to follow Tesla opposed to question the logic and functionality of their interior designs.
This adds more weight, components and complexity to the whole system, without a big benefit in most cases (from a European viewpoint, distances in the US are far longer). So in general it makes more sense to just put a bigger battery in the vehicle. A range extender EV is just a type of plugin hybrid.
BYD Shark has a range extender
Looks like if you combine a Rivian with a Bronco.
exactly
I literally thought Rivian was doing a refresh before I read the title
Maybe Scout is co-owned by Rivian and Ford
I think you’re right
@@blairbrown4812 I mean it’s owned by VW, which has a commercial EV partnership with ford, and Volkswagen entered a software partnership with Rivian, so technically speaking, in a second cousin twice removed kinda way, it definitely could be
This looks so good and the interior is excellent as well. This is how modern EVs should be designed like
The first i3 and the Mazda Mx-30 were electric cars with Range extenders. The BYD shark also works this way. It’s PHEV but with no connection between engine and the wheels. The old Chevy Cruze was pretty much this.
Don't you mean the Chevy Volt?
*Chevy Volt
So does Nissan's E-Power system
Ram also announced a range extended ev truck recently.
@@a-dino I thought about that one but there’s no cord to plug in so it’s basically a kooky series hybrid like a Prius but different
This thing looks PHENOMENAL.
Agreed.
The BMW i3 had a 2cyl. range extender.
I heard they have plans for a two door truck and a smaller SUV if they succeed with these. I’m routing for them. I’m curious to see the lower trim models as well.
I'd rather like if they made a proper 7/8 seater SUV
Actually, the Yangwang u8 has an ICE for charging the battery. Personally, I don't know if I'm much of a fan, since the infrastructure where I live doesn't require an Ice engine at all, but for people living in the US, this does seem like a really good solution
It’s so beautifully designed
My first impressions are cowboy vibes for some reason. Never underestimate a first impression. I really like this design.
It looks a lot to me like an F100 from the 70s
A range extender has been used in multiple EVs at this point
I really like the design. I think the SUV looks way better than the truck and it kinda looks like an electric bronco. The interior is amazing
Diesel locomotives have been diesel electric for 100 years. This is tried and true technology. I think it's about time we heard about something like this on passenger vehicles
I absolutely love these, I hope they will find their way over the pond. I especially love the front bench, so much nostalgia flowing in, EVs are actually a natural fit for something like this.
Car companies do have to use the interior of these scout cars as a massive inspiration for their car interiors
Love to see wood, dials, knobs and integrated screens...
BMW i3 has a range extender option. Upcoming Ram 1500 Ramcharger will also have a range extender.
It feels very Rivian, which makes sense I guess since Rivian’s designs also feel very informed by old Scout and Bronco designs.
Scout and Rivian look more contemporary where other manufacturers are designing for 2008 UA-cam future vision videos (BMW)
Rivian partnered with VW. VW owns SCOUT.
The best US design for a long time. Range extenders are already available in some other cars too.
the interior looks so nice
Yes! If you’re gonna be a ev pls don’t be a blob. It looks beautiful, hopefully they’ll make a two door convertible version and bring back those classic colors and cool patterned interiors
This track is well designed, you can tell they did not compromise, i think this track represents the True American tracks, love it, my Number 1 track.
So a Rivian with a different name. Got it.
My man, the extended range technology has existes in china for at least 8 years.
No kidding. Also wasn’t there a Ram truck that was supposed to have it?
It was in the bmw i3 for a decade too. Stop glazing west Taiwan
This is why he does not read/respond to comments. 😂
@@h20dancing18boohoo if you guys can add negative comment on Chinese cars learn to take the same comments...
And the volt had a Rex when the i3 was still on the drawing board.
Yes, this is just perfect design, simle, elegant, fantastic!
The fisher karma had the EVER system before this, same with the i3, and multiple plug in hybrids.
*Fisker* ...
Yeah, they look awesome to me. That Gas engine might be like the new Civic, where it runs the generator the charges the battery.
Wow, take my money please.
even the microphone is excited
But is it bulletproof? And can we use it as a boat? And a laser shooting down raindrops?
Problem with those range extenders is usually the packaging and the extra weight you always carry around with it
Actually range extender EVs are biggest growing trend in some markets right now....
8:12 reminds me of 1990s Tahoes
I cant believe they didnt go with a design like this when bronco came out...
Great looking new vehicle. Fits 35’s too. Excellent job VW.
This is called a series hybrid if I remember correctly. A few cars in early 2010s used them, but they fell out of favor alongside the rest of the hybrid class of powertrains.
im not an suv / truck kinda guy, but ngl this looks absolutely amazing, great job !
I really want this to be a success from Ford. Looks great. It's an innovative idea. If Scout is reliable, it's going to be great
been waiting for your review lol
the range extender is actually old tech ford is going to add it to the f250 supposedly
i am glad they are going to have it in the scout it will make it better for travel and off-roading in my opinion
im also glad for the body on frame and that it has mechanical lockers and a solid axel
I haven't watched your videos in a few months, but I've been around since the beginning of the channel, not used to the no cap and glasses look still lol.
VW has a stake in Rivian, VW owns the Scout brand, coincidence? We're heading towards brand singularity...
This looks sick! Since Scout Motors is owned by VW, I think this looks promising for both Rivian and VW!
ev with a gas tank
how do you like your bbq sir? well done, please
Reminds me of Bronco and that's a great looking car.
Yes, range extenders have been done already…Nissan has a version of one in their Qashquai, called e-Power and Ram will have it with their Ramcharger EV, coming soon, which may have about 690 miles of range.
Ram announced months ago the gas motor as a generator with their upcoming Charger model
The specs on it are sick too
The 2025 Ramcharger is the same thing and is about to go on sale in a few months...
I wouldn’t say no one has thought about a range extender or REX. The BMW i3 had one as an option years ago. It was a Motorcycle engine coupled to a generator to charge the battery.
It’s kinda like a cleaner hybrid, instead of engine based electric assistance, it’s electric based engine assistance.
They have. Toyota and Honda are developing EREV technology. Small gas generators that will produce electricity.
Looks really nice! 👍🏼
Love the Traveler I just wish the doors came off! That’s the best part a Jeep! Already reserved a Traveler Harvester.
Make it.. a Sedan!
Come on, TSM ! (TheSedanMafia = TheSketchMonkey)
Usa don't want sedans they want trucks and suvs the numbers speak for themselves
@@mcsike7264 You can make "American Sedans"... by excluding the D-pillars to many of such SUVs / trucks.
Take Ford Explorer (who is also an "Interceptor" in Police version)... and remove its D-pillars.
Taa-daa!
"American, Jumbo, Big Mac, King-size, Extralarge, Supersized ... Sedan!"
@@RazvanMihaeanu lmao the reason why Americans dont want sedans anymore is bc oems trick em into thinking bigger vehicle is safer or you need a truck for that one time every two years your gonna tow something 😂
Gas engines in EVs have been done, just in other countries. Ram has an EV truck coming out soon with a gas engine to charge the battery. I'm no automotive engineer, but I believe its not a bad idea. Because the engine doesn't have to propel the car, I think it can be a simpler, possibly smaller, and more efficient engine, which saves fuel and costs lest to produce. This is in contrast to a plug in hybrid, which requires the engine to be able to propel the car.
Is this an electric Chinese truck underneath ???
Like Great Wall perhaps?
The Scout vehicles use a standalone platform, developed with a partnership with VW. Afaik no Chinese connection
Firstly, I think the styling on the outside and inside looks excellent. These are some of my favorite designs for an upcoming vehicle. I think the EV versions of these will turn out well.
However, I have my doubts on the plug-in hybrid, or "extended range" versions. They're being strangely quiet on what the EV range will be on the model with the gas engine. Historically, EVs with "range extenders" tend to have much smaller batteries and shorter EV range than full EVs. Packaging both an ICEV powertrain and an EV powertrain into a single vehicle is expensive, and usually the first thing to get the chopping block is the battery. This is why I think you don't see this type of vehicle often, because a lot has to be sacrificed to make it work, which often results in a car that's expensive and poor performing compared to its full EV counterpart. Some of the most notable PHEVs/EREVs are the BMW i3 REx, Chevrolet Volt, Honda Clarity PHEV, and the Fisker Karma. None sold particularly well and all were eventually cancelled. It seems the only successful one (at least in the US) has been the Jeep Wrangler 4xe.
I'm not against the tech, I just haven't been especially impressed with any so far, but I'll see if that changes with the extended range versions of these vehicles, and to a similar extent, the Ram Ramcharger.
You nailed on the knob issue. I was considering a GMC Canyon until they removed a headlight control switch. wtf?
Here’s to hoping they make a hatchback or sedan…I love what they’re going for but will never buy an SUV or Truck.
Honestly hope that Scout does well, I’m not expecting tesla like sales but atleast the second best
They look better than the ultra complex transformer-esque styling that the Colorado and Tacoma embodies.
thank god for those physical door handles, dude. So happy the pendulum is swinging back on that tucked in techy bullshit
Love it! I'll be waiting to get one!
Nissan did it since 2016 with their e-Power platform
It’s a hybrid. Lots of manufacturers do this. BMW has range extender cars too.
I am curious if they are still using the EA211 1.4/1.5 Turbo for range extender
When will they be available for purchase ???
i love modernized 80s and 70s designs with 2030 looks to it.... i love it, there is one concept of the mk3 supra looking insane on the internet, the mercedes restomod, hyundai n74, the ionic 5, the cybertruck they all look great
except the cybertruck
How did you possibly fit Cybertruck into that list?
They are gorgeous.
For range extender in USA makes sense especially if you are towing!! Like I would. But needs a simple motor that maintain rpms and just charges batteries and that's all.
As all evs my main concern is the battery replacement really...
They need to solve that particular probl m that affects all Evs.
The new ram 1500 and the old BMW i3 got a range extender
I think at least offering an option of mechanical speedometer gauge would also go a long way.
Why does it remind me of a ford bronco 0:29 🤨 0:47
It was the Branco’s predecessor, I believe Ford borrowed the design and built the Bronco which ended up being far more successful. As you know.
Beautiful trucks
The range extender gas generator has been done. The Chevy Volt from over 10 years ago.
I think range extended EVs and PHEVs in general have been rare simply bc its 2 complex drivetrains in 1 car. Its complex, and expensive, so its hard for that to hreak thru. Sure, certain politics and low fuel prices get in the way of electrification in general, but it takes time to mature the twchnology. An engine as a generator is set up and run very differently than ICE motors. You have to make changes, and it all takes time.
At this point, we've advanced EV technology enough and developed PHEVs lomg enough to where different manufacturers feel good enough to try making more. Id like to see more if the large trucks/suvs use EREV technology, and smaller cars/crossovers be EVs. That should work the next couple decades, and when solid state batterues are in full swing, switch the large trucks/suvs over. Being on an electric platform with a range extender tacked on should help simplify it
They need to release a gas hybrid. I'd buy one. Electric - no thanks. Maybe in 5+ years.
Also, optional third row.
Would love to see more electric motor vehicles with combustion engines driving generators instead of mechanical transmissions - the setup diesel locomotives have used for decades.
1:27 We have it actually the Nissan Kicks
The launch timing is interesting. Scout will be coming to market at almost the exact same moment as solid state batteries will be coming to market in competing electric vehicles. For example, Toyota is saying their first solid state electric vehicle will launch in 2027 with a range of 625 miles and a charge time of ten mins. If true, this will be a major problem for Scout (and others).
The nissan x trail e power has a similar thing to the range extender but as a hybrid. Its quite confusing lol
The BMW i3 literally offered a model called Range Extender with a tiny motorcycle engine.
Would like one, but I’m 77! I don’t even buy green bananas.
mic got excited too
Opel Ampera had range extender
Ever heard of the fisker karma?
They got everything right except the powertrain.
What brand is it?
2-door car missing
An EV with a range extender is not an EV but a HYBRID.
This is epic.
Okay I don't know where they come from but this looks good as fck
Isn't ram making a truck with s range extender? Or was that just a concept?
Is this the International Scout? Or did the Forza confuse me?
like the wagon /s.u.v. model with its short wheel base over the ute please no 3rd row and more utility with plugs ins for our camping kit
Gorgeous.
BMW tried but failed with range extender, but that was silly for a small vehicle. Most EV don't need range extender ICE as just adds cost, complexity and packaging issues. Given most EV are driven near plenty of charging places and range is more than good for 95% of use, so range extender dumb idea. But for a vehicle that is designed for those who regularly go offroad and away from charging stations, it is the one situation it makes sense, for now.
Actually BMW i3 did this before .. i8 as well if I am not mistaken
Ram actually beat Scout to the extended range world with the “Ram charger” it hits the market for 2025
1:14 Is it just a normal PHEV hybrid like BYD makes? And isn’t that a well known technology?
The electric power generation engine has been present in Chinese electric cars for a long time.
Some Chinese EVs have an engine that has no connection to wheels, operating as a generator for batteries
Range extenders are old news... BMW i3 for example (How about the Owens Magnetic from 1908 or so? or the EV my uncle built in the 60's lol)