I wouldn’t disagree actually. Especially when compared to what a comparable A7IV goes for the S5ii/x is a steal. Although I could still see a case for the S5 if you did more narrative-focused work or needed a b-cam for the S5ii/x.
Dont forget the smaller size of S5...its amazing how much functionality it has. Auto Focus is fine, even in low light. But required setting tweaks as per photo or video guides.
Since a 600 dollar atomos seems mandatory, you need to factor that into its price. With the worthless af and terrible internal codec options, this needs to be 500 bucks. Add the 600 dollar atomos and you get a 1100 dollar cinema camera that can’t af worth shit but will give you great footage with a little extra work.
Nice video mate, loving the production quality in such early stages of your channel! I was surprised to see you were a smaller channel. You'll go far! I've got the s5 and I absolutely love it. I always wanted a Sony A7s4 or something but right now I'm very happy with the s5.
Thank you! I’ve been super happy with the S5. It does everything I need and I’m sure it’ll be a trusted tool for a long time. You can’t beat the price either.
Nice video, Zack, and I think you made some good points. I would also suggest that people look in to the Panasonic S1 (original model, just in case Panasonic comes out with a MK II of the S1 in the future). While the S1 is bigger and heavier than the S5, and only has a tilt-up / tilt-down screen, it does have a few benefits over the S5. Namely, the S1 has unlimited record time in 4K 10-bit at 24 amd 30fps. It also has 6K at 24 and 30fps, but with a 15-minute time limit. (The S5 has 5K at 30fps using the "6K photo mode", I think with the same 15-minute time limit, but I don't want to swear by that). The S1 has a full-size HDMI port, a better LCD and a better EVF, and slightly better IBIS. Unfortunately, the S1 still has the poor autofocus found in the original S5, as well as the bad HDMI lag. IIRC, the S1 doesn't have the vectorscope and might be lacking that luminance spot meter. Oh, almost forgot: The S1 requires the paid firmware upgrade to unlock things like V-LOG and such. If you are buying used, there might be a good chance that it has it installed already. But doulbe check before buying, as if the camera doesn't have that firmware upgrade, it costs like $200.
Just keep it because the S5 is $1k and the Ninja V is $600. This way makes more sense if you already have the S5 and already need a recording monitor. I have the S5 and went the monitor route and now am staring at the same deal wondering if I sell the S5 + Ninja V now.
For manual vintage lenses ( and not only ) wouldn’t a PD movie auto focus system solve the problem ? I have rigged my S5 with an Atomos Ninja V on top of it, but the auto focus problem isn’t solved yet. Can’t make up my mind between the DJI ( LIDAR ? ) auto focus system or the newest PD Movie system 🤦🏻♂️🤔 Great content! Keep it up 👍🏻
@@ZacktheFilm right, but saying it’s only 8 bit in the video is a massive difference than 10 bit. 420 and 422 isn’t as big of difference for 90% of people
Yes if you have very tight budget I would advice to anyone to go s5 ( used ) but otherwise Old AF Panasonic is so chaotic. As long time gh5/s5 shooter. I mastered their chaotic AF even with my skills about it I manage to miss some shots because I was on gimbal etc and sometimes even in good lighting condition, you have no idea why the af just goes retard** mode. I have MF lenses/fd lenses , but When im on gimbal I have to rely on a good AF. I even bought the 85 1.8 lumix instead of 85 1.4 sigma because it was said that lumix 85 1.8 had a better af . All being said I saved to pick the s5II but even if the new AF is finally usable and great , the fact that it still 4k60 crop. made me wait a bit. on maybe a s1h II. Even if , If I saw a S9 used at a good price , I might jump into.
Good AF is definitely very useful for gimbal work. I would probably reconsider going with the S5 if I used gimbals more often. Also, the S35 crop in 4K 60 can definitely be a deal breaker for some. Thanks for your comment!
This debate was a tough one for me at a point in time. I needed to upgrade multiple cameras for Event Shooting and coming from multiple GH5 and one Atomos Ninja V. My time to consider upgrading came right before the release of the S5 II. The AF in the S5 II, the consideration that I really needed to buy a few more Ninja V for my workflow alongside with buying the S5 for the cheaper cost. I ended up with 3 - S5 II, 1 - S5 IIX ( and recently bought the S9 for EDC but now also use it also for long form with my Ninja V that was now sitting around 😅). The S5 is a phenomenal Camera and the S5 II is just the icing on the cake.
It's hard to go wrong with any of these cameras. I recently picked up an S5 ii more for my UA-cam stuff and to use as a B-cam to my S5 for multicam shoots. The only thing I dislike about the S5 ii is that the Raw output is a paid upgrade even though it came standard with the original.
The s5 has a recording limit only for certain recording modes, specifically h.265. The rest will be unlimited
I didn't realize there was no recording limit in 8 bit. Although since I exclusively shoot 10bit, it's kind of a non-factor for me.
GOOD TO KNOW!!
Well Yes, for the right price. Maybe more for photography. But since the s5II/X are pretty cheap (for Full-frame) i would go for the updated camera.
I wouldn’t disagree actually. Especially when compared to what a comparable A7IV goes for the S5ii/x is a steal. Although I could still see a case for the S5 if you did more narrative-focused work or needed a b-cam for the S5ii/x.
Ja the og s5 is perfect for photos at an unbelivable price. Its only 1000€! Where i live. You cant get a better photo camera for this kind of money
Yup photos = excellent
Dont forget the smaller size of S5...its amazing how much functionality it has. Auto Focus is fine, even in low light. But required setting tweaks as per photo or video guides.
Since a 600 dollar atomos seems mandatory, you need to factor that into its price. With the worthless af and terrible internal codec options, this needs to be 500 bucks. Add the 600 dollar atomos and you get a 1100 dollar cinema camera that can’t af worth shit but will give you great footage with a little extra work.
Nice video mate, loving the production quality in such early stages of your channel! I was surprised to see you were a smaller channel. You'll go far!
I've got the s5 and I absolutely love it. I always wanted a Sony A7s4 or something but right now I'm very happy with the s5.
Thank you! I’ve been super happy with the S5. It does everything I need and I’m sure it’ll be a trusted tool for a long time. You can’t beat the price either.
Yeah lol all of a sudden cameras prices are up 25% in 4 months. Your s5 is now $969 cheapest used model, while SII is $1200
I have both and I would definitely choose the S5ii for the convenience but the S5 OG does have a better imagine Quality.
Totally agree!
Did you use the s5 to shoot this video?
Nice video, Zack, and I think you made some good points. I would also suggest that people look in to the Panasonic S1 (original model, just in case Panasonic comes out with a MK II of the S1 in the future). While the S1 is bigger and heavier than the S5, and only has a tilt-up / tilt-down screen, it does have a few benefits over the S5. Namely, the S1 has unlimited record time in 4K 10-bit at 24 amd 30fps. It also has 6K at 24 and 30fps, but with a 15-minute time limit. (The S5 has 5K at 30fps using the "6K photo mode", I think with the same 15-minute time limit, but I don't want to swear by that). The S1 has a full-size HDMI port, a better LCD and a better EVF, and slightly better IBIS. Unfortunately, the S1 still has the poor autofocus found in the original S5, as well as the bad HDMI lag. IIRC, the S1 doesn't have the vectorscope and might be lacking that luminance spot meter. Oh, almost forgot: The S1 requires the paid firmware upgrade to unlock things like V-LOG and such. If you are buying used, there might be a good chance that it has it installed already. But doulbe check before buying, as if the camera doesn't have that firmware upgrade, it costs like $200.
Thanks for the info! I would honestly love to pick up an S1 and compare it to the S5. The higher video resolution is compelling to me.
Could you do a video on the S5 and the nikon lense I literally want to get the a same lenses
I would love to! That's been the setup I've been shooting everything with and it has been great!
… but I just picked up the s5iix at a crazy deal with a free nifty fifty from Panasonic 😭
Just keep it because the S5 is $1k and the Ninja V is $600. This way makes more sense if you already have the S5 and already need a recording monitor. I have the S5 and went the monitor route and now am staring at the same deal wondering if I sell the S5 + Ninja V now.
4K 60fps is 10 bit but 4:2:0
You're completely right. I'll leave a note in the description to prevent any confusion.
For manual vintage lenses ( and not only ) wouldn’t a PD movie auto focus system solve the problem ? I have rigged my S5 with an Atomos Ninja V on top of it, but the auto focus problem isn’t solved yet. Can’t make up my mind between the DJI ( LIDAR ? ) auto focus system or the newest PD Movie system 🤦🏻♂️🤔
Great content! Keep it up 👍🏻
You are the Real Deal. Nice video
This is Excellent! You've definitely got a winner with the S5 and Ninja combo. 💪🏾
Thanks, I think so too!
4k 60 with the s5 is definitely 10bit.
It is, but only 4:2:0
@@ZacktheFilmit’s a big problem?
Not a visual difference for most @McMurphy13
@@ZacktheFilm right, but saying it’s only 8 bit in the video is a massive difference than 10 bit. 420 and 422 isn’t as big of difference for 90% of people
Yes if you have very tight budget I would advice to anyone to go s5 ( used ) but otherwise Old AF Panasonic is so chaotic.
As long time gh5/s5 shooter. I mastered their chaotic AF even with my skills about it I manage to miss some shots because I was on gimbal etc and sometimes even in good lighting condition, you have no idea why the af just goes retard** mode.
I have MF lenses/fd lenses , but When im on gimbal I have to rely on a good AF. I even bought the 85 1.8 lumix instead of 85 1.4 sigma because it was said that lumix 85 1.8 had a better af .
All being said I saved to pick the s5II but even if the new AF is finally usable and great , the fact that it still 4k60 crop. made me wait a bit. on maybe a s1h II.
Even if , If I saw a S9 used at a good price , I might jump into.
Good AF is definitely very useful for gimbal work. I would probably reconsider going with the S5 if I used gimbals more often.
Also, the S35 crop in 4K 60 can definitely be a deal breaker for some.
Thanks for your comment!
@@ZacktheFilmnot for me. I shoot everything in 4k 50 and use a small and cheap but good apsc zoom from sigma.. to me the s5 is a super 35 camera
This debate was a tough one for me at a point in time. I needed to upgrade multiple cameras for Event Shooting and coming from multiple GH5 and one Atomos Ninja V. My time to consider upgrading came right before the release of the S5 II.
The AF in the S5 II, the consideration that I really needed to buy a few more Ninja V for my workflow alongside with buying the S5 for the cheaper cost.
I ended up with 3 - S5 II, 1 - S5 IIX ( and recently bought the S9 for EDC but now also use it also for long form with my Ninja V that was now sitting around 😅).
The S5 is a phenomenal Camera and the S5 II is just the icing on the cake.
It's hard to go wrong with any of these cameras. I recently picked up an S5 ii more for my UA-cam stuff and to use as a B-cam to my S5 for multicam shoots. The only thing I dislike about the S5 ii is that the Raw output is a paid upgrade even though it came standard with the original.
Nice video! So you use nikon lenses on the S5? Which adapter?
Thanks! I use a basic l mount to f mount dummy adapter from Fotasy.
S5 best
If you got the DJI focus system then you're in the game
I'll have to try that out!
DJI is part of the L Mount Alliance.
I just went for the S5 new.
I hope you enjoy your new camera!
Thank you