Very good video. One comment that I might add: You are using soft wood. I like using soft wood to get a hot fire going REALLY quick to warm up the tent, but once things are warmed up I transition to hard wood. It takes longer to get hard wood going but it will burn hotter and MUCH longer once it is going. I like to carry a mixture soft wood and hard wood when camping in cold temps.
Some areas only have soft woods. You’re very unlikely to find oak at high altitudes, or at least an abundance of dry dead oak. Most likely pinion pines and Aspen.
@@billdavis6978 Yes. You are correct that hardwoods are not typically found at higher elevations. So, if you are planning on gathering/cutting all your firewood from the area around your camp you might not be able to get hardwood. For that reason, I have the space to always throw in several pieces of hardwood. If I have 3-4 pieces of hardwood per night it can really make a difference.
@@RT-gv6us yeah a cord of hardwood in the rocky mountains is like 1200$ where I live too, permit for 2 cords of wood is $24 so it's not even an option in my eyes 😂
A couple things that will help both the longevity of your tent. Always, always remove snow and ice off your tent. By heating the tent you just cause water buildup at seams and unnecessary wetness. Also using softwood is much less efficient then a decent hardwood. Hickory, Pecan, or Oak will give a cleaner burn with less soot. You will also use significantly less wood to achieve the same BTU’s. And make sure you always have ventilation in your hot tent. I keep a CO alarm in mine as a safety factor. Enjoy you great tent.
All wood has approximately the same btu per pound. Properly seasoned softwood burns just as clean and smoke free as hardwood. The biggest disadvantage of softwood, for me, is that it tends to not leave long lasting coals. Overall, hardwood is objectively better firewood, but there’s nothing wrong with burning softwood.
@@cherrelleg8276 Canvas tents don't really seal that well due to zippers, seams, etc. But if you feel you need more airflow just unzip the door a few inches, preferably at the bottom if your door is designed that way.
For people who are buying precut, pre-split wood like in this video the BTU/pound being equivalent is not the relevant concern, it’s the energy density- an equal sized piece of oak will weigh far more than the equivalent sized piece of pine or aspen, as such they take far longer to burn and especially at night, not needing to refill my stove every hour is absolutely worth it lol.
Man, some real "know-it-alls" on here. The guy is doing us a favor by demoing a tent and stove, then taking a LOT of time out of his day(s) to video, edit and post it. He is in his freakin' yard demoing this... not in the timber with access to a full camp setup with chainsaws, kindling, etc. You "experts" need to give Charlie a break. He is doing this as an assist for people. For those that want to know the tent type, stove type, etc... watch the video. He thoroughly explains everything and posts links to where and how to purchase these items.
i'd steer clear of box store or gas station wood entirely. often is treated with chemicals and accelerants, or is overly dry and burns too fast. I buy my campfire wood from farmers. just drive slow through the countryside near campgrounds and you'll see farms that sell large bundles of natural wood and its always way more wood for the dollar than that other stuff. plus you know where your money is going. i make a point of overpaying their cashbox because i know they appreciate it.
Farmers deliver their wood to the big box stores. My cousin does just that. No chemicals. Why would they add anything to the wood which just raises the cost of the supplier? If the fire is slow to ignite that is on the person building the fire and not a fault of natural wood. I do agree that it's cheaper to get wood directly from the farmer however. Less expense for the farmer means more value for the customer. City folk that would have to drive out of their way to get to the farms can still get wood from gas stations or stores with the extra cost being a convenience charge more or less.
If your wood is nice and dry like his was then all you need a is a firefighter or two and you can just throw thick logs in and they will catch no problems
I have turned into a wood scrounger for my tent stove. I cut scrap wood to fit in cardboard boxes and I don't have to cut wood while hunting. Did that when I was younger. Transporting the wood into the tent is also cleaner. Once the tent is warm less wood is needed to keep it at a comfortable temperature.
I have lots of wood on my property and would like to cut it up to use like you do.....How did you dry it out, or make sure it's dry enough before using it? Thx!!
@@tamarap387 I just cover it after boxing it up and forget it. For scrap wood I have now been wrapping it with stretch wrap with the small hand held rolls (local hardware store). The wood burns a little fast in the tent stove I have. GI korean war pot belly stove. It really warms the tent. Trial and error I have learned how to manage feeding it. A plastic milk size box of 2x4's will warm the tent from before dinner till past bed time. That is November temperatures at 5,000 ft elevation.
Hey Charlie. Thank you for another great and informative video. I have researched and watched every video on this tent and awning. I am very happy I made the purchase on both when I did!!!
Good video, but boy did you do an aggressive burn with that wood. I would be curious to know how much fuel one of those stoves in a tent situation would use when choked back enough to allow you to sleep, would use overnight, with maybe getting up twice to tend the fire. When I was a kid we had a wood stove in the house and would heat all night long by getting a bed of coals going, then loading the stove and choking it to keep the fire going, but kind of low. We'd get up in the morning and have to reload the stove to get it warm again for the day...
Great comment and great points you bring up. The canvas isn't insulated though it's better than nylon. I notice the fire going keeps it warm but the moment it's dead the temperature drops within a few minutes. I wish I had done more explaining how to regulate the fire using the damper and the front vent. I didn't have to burn it so hot once the tent air volume was warm, but I always at least started the fires roaring. I'd be interested in testing out coals. I'll have to note that for a future video. Thanks for the comment.
lay a proper starting fire base and you wont have problems heating the tent fast ... or keeping it lit ... what you did was a newb mistake .. and all that softwood is great tinder but garbage heating ... hard woods ... heck even pine or birch will do in a pinch ... but oak is best ... even ebony .... also the damper slows heat loss and lowers the burn rate ... the front vents also lower burn rate by limiting oxygen in flow ... knowing how to set these both up for day and night time is essential ... and also knowing how to bank a fire for a long night of burning helps to but that cant be taught you have to learn it with experience ...
So many trees have fallen due to storms, rot caused by excessive rain etc. it would be very cheap to just pick up wood in the woods. SHHHH Don't let the secret out
I got lucky once. One spring day I was in a large box store that was closing out 8 hour pressed logs. It was $2 for a case of 6. I bought all that they had... 2 pallets worth. I use them at night in my stove just before bedtime. Keeps my tent nice and toasty through the night, by morning, it's just warm enough to keep the chill off. WHAT a find that was....
@@monay818 When you get any product with a CO risk, you need to read the manual. If you pull up the manual for say, the Camp Chef CS14 wood stove I used to use in my Kodiak Canvas Cabin tent, it says you need 20 square inches of open ventilation for safe operation.
Wood with moisture in it makes the snap, crackle, and pop sound and this is not optimal. Also get some real hard wood like oak or maple if you want a long hot burn, don't use Walmart wood.
The sap in soft wood will make it crackle not moisture. Pine, cedar and spruce all crackle even when dry. Also maple and hard woods are nice but sometimes too hot for a tent. Also some places don’t have hard woods around.
Would you nerds shut it, do you think he doesn't know all that or can't Google simple stuff. Nobody is asking for your dumb advice let people do and and learn on their own.
My homemade stove burns about 2 peices of pecan that is 8"x3-4" every hour to hour and a half when the temp is -17°F in a onetigris tegimen and several times it got so hot that i let the fire die down to embers for 30 min just so the tent would cool down because i got to where i was sleeping in Pj pants no shirt no socks in -17° and still sweating and as we all know that is the last thing you want to do in that type of cold also i recommend a stove fan to help push the heat around the tent because even though it got probably 85-90° inside the tent there was still frost in a corner by the door where the heat wasnt getting over to i hope this helps add info to the question how much wood does it take to heat a tent during a 24hr time frame
Where is your thermal fan? Those are great to have! Also, another aspect of fuel is what tools you need to do it and how much time do you have to process it. And then there is the storage to season it.
Ponderosa and aspen bundles are also sold here in the deep south. Being it is cut from standing dead wood it is dry as a powder house. Though I have access to tons of some of the finest fat lighter, I still like having a few bundles of the dry ponderosa and aspen on hand. I start with tinder and fat lighter and split some pine into 2 or so inch squares, later throwing on a few of the larger pieces. You can quickly build a good bed of hot coals. It is great for getting a quick fire in the morning cold. After establishing the coals I burn oak only. Yea...we are lucky to have plenty of oak down here. With pit fires I love using seasoned and green oak...you use a lot less wood. I would love to own one of those tents, but I am getting too old to set up such a beast. I am looking into the Flex Bow though.....just saving up for it.
@@ashleys562 , It all according to the type of wood you use . Around me , the best firewood is tamarack . If i burn something softer like fir , I will be burn much more and have to clean the fireplace and stove pipe sooner .
This was part of a 4-month demo to show how well the tent holds up in the winter. Wasn't about to take 4 months off work :) Setting it up and demoing it in the backyard made it convenient to keep the demo long and convenient for me.
the wood that you are using is soft wood like pine or aspen. it will burn good and throw some heat, but it isn't oak. if you use a hardwood it will last a lot longer with more even heat. if you are burning pine you are risking a chimney fire because of the pitch that will build up in the chimney. be careful
@@TheAvkdutch your a bit of a dick aren’t you?you’ve commented like this a few times on this video.your drunk and angry that no one likes you aren’t you 😂
I don't really think you have to worry about pine tar building up in the pipe unless you're going to be there for a month, even some Cottonwood would probably burn longer than that pine though, at least it's hardwood
I bought your 10x10 tent with a camp chief alpine. I thought I read somewhere that the stove jack on the tent is only rated for 575 °F. It looks like you were able to burn hotter than that safely. Am I ok to burn hotter than 575 °F as long as it's not for a prolonged period of time?
Great question. I've burned hotter than 575 and the silicone ring was just fine, but it was also during extremely low temperatures outside so that could be a factor. Did you get a chance to use it?
Draft is key. Proper air and damper adjustments keep all the heat from going out the chimney. Old timers that had coal heat in their houses were experts at this.
I know this is not current but I found when I’m hot tent camping that the stove worked WAY better if you put some clay or dirt about 1 1/2” to 2” thick in the bottom your fire will be much more consistent and wood burns longer with a much more even heat in the tent. Kid you not it’s like night & day how the fire burns AND how it heats the tent
This was actually pleasant to listen to. I will usually take one bag of logs, one bag of kindling, and one bag of firestarters (preferably wood wool). Personally, I prefer to use a larger butane gas lighter. That will last me for about one or two nights, even if I'm burning away non-stop. Actual firewood that you can purchase in a store is always going to work much better than collecting birch bark, sticks and larger pieces of wood from your natural surroundings... not only that, but it's illegal to do that in most natural parks and woodlands anyway. I'd recommend to always use fireproof gloves when opening the stove door, something like a pot lifter to redistribute the wood inside the stove, and a smoke detector to avoid a carbon monoxide intoxication. Stay safe!!
I am curious how well the stove warms up the awning room in the front if you open up the divider window on the tent. I am waiting for my tent and patio room to arrive. I am hoping it warms up that front room as i cook dinner in it on the late elk hunts.
Let us know how it works out for you. It definitely warms it up a bit, but on super cold days like 5 degrees there is no warming the awning area up to a comfortable temp unless you have some type of battery-operated fan. On a moderately cold day like 40 degrees, for sure it warms up pretty good in the add-on room with the door and window open to it.
I was thinking there was no way you'd get that wood lit with that bit of paper, but then you pulled out your ace, those pieces of fat wood. Did the trick!
Yes. If you are in bear country that's always a valid concern and in those scenarios we store our food in the cab of the truck or in a bear box. Black bears don't concern me much, but if you are in Yellowstone, Jackson, or Grizzly Bear country that is a different story.
That fat wood is amazing. We have plenty of it in the south from all the old pine trees. I always keep a stock pile around the house for fire starting.
Thanks for the video! Another question... can you use a regular wood stove with that stove opening? Meaning with regular stove pipe I guess, like the 7 - 8" stove pipe? It gets down to -30 here.
Sorry to be the Engineer new viewer, 10 degrees C or F.. ? It helps your viewer understand. I watch a ton of UA-cam videos (as i only need 4 to 5 hours of sleep) are you in Canada or the United states? Appreciate the video just need to set the base line. 8:15 now I get it!
That's really, really dry wood. It's good to get a fire going, but you'll burn through your supply quick. Try some green wood, especially at night once you get a good coal bed built. That's better for your long slow burn.
Green wood? What do you mean by that term? Green wood designates chemically treated wood for construction that is waterproof. I don't think you mean that of course bc it gives off poisonous gases... but greenwood is the last thing you want to use on the stove you don't want to use green lady want to use well seasoned wood. I'm originally from Colorado but I'm in Missouri now so seasoned wood is what you want to have now in Colorado pine greenwood might designate wood with a lot of sap in it which means it will burn hotter we're going to cut the chimney stack though so just a weird thing to say burned green with you that's the last thing you want to burn you want to carrier with do you want to season it you want to be dry and ready to burn without gunking up your stack with sap and creosote and greenwood is going to massively add to your creosote load which is going to lead to a chimney fire a flu fire which is not good at any scenario
I would not use soft woods like pine if you can avoid it. seasoned hardwood are cleaner. Clean your chimney pipe every few days to avoid buildup and fire hazard in the pipe.
Brian, thanks for your feedback. I'm not sure what you mean by seasoned hardwood. I thought seasoned just means that it has been left out to dry (no green) for a few days.
Although hardwoods are definitely better, not every area has hardwoods. Pines burn, and as long as you use dry wood and clean your chimney regularly when burning pine, it will be fine. Seasoned wood is any wood with 20% moisture or less. Most wood takes several months to properly sason when the outside humidity is lower. Some woods in some regions of the country take years to properly dry/season.
I’ve been burning soft woods like pine for years in my hot tent and ice shack since there are no hard woods around here and never had a problem . Now if your heating a house all winter that could be different.
Seasoned wood is wood that has been marinated, or had a dry rub of spices put on it before being burned. My favorite is just salt and pepper, place in the fire place or wood stove and light it up. Yummy
Lifetime warranty. That being said the expected useage is about 3 weeks per year. In that case, it should last you decades if properly cared for (never stored wet).
Yes, the demo is done, but editing the video. This link to the setup is unlisted, because we are waiting on the demo to be complete, but it still kind of shows you the tent itself as well as the add-on rooms. ua-cam.com/video/ZWFVvX43s4M/v-deo.html
I'm guessing a piece of fire proof tape around the stove pipe seam would fix that water drip problem. Also an 8 foot piece of straight 1x2" trim board or 2x4..with an 6" pole mounted perpendicular, in the center, would be an easy way to rake that snow off the top without having to tap it from the inside?
Good question. The rain cap could be used during rain and with a wet roof is unlikely to do noteworthy harm. Just keep in mind a rain cap in its design to keep out water creates more debris on the tent roof top and if it isn't raining or wet it could mark the roof.
The stove is the Spruce model by Colorado Cylinder Stoves. The tent is the Kodiak 12x12 Hot Stove Ready Lodge Tent model 6173. www.competitiveedgeproducts.com/6173-kodiak-canvas-10x10-cabin-stove-lodge-hot-tent.html
Most portable stoves I've used need refilling every 45mins-1hour, depending on size and air controls. You might have some embers even for an hour past that. If you want to stay warm all night and use a stove, someone will have to keep waking up to feed it.
We are new to tent camping and have bought the Kodiak Cabin tent (from your company!) and also Camp Chef Alpine wood stove to use with it. We'd like to keep our tent up for a few months but wondering how do you keep rain/water from coming both in the stove pipe as well as the in the gaps between the cylinder and the stove ring in the tent? Our 5" stove pipe does not fit tightly in the opening (maybe 1/4"-1/2" gaps all around) and we're looking for a solution so we don't have to take the pipe down each time we leave for the week. Any suggestions or products would be appreciated.
You could use that silicone (the same type that makes up the ring in the stove jack opening) to seal that up better. Others use aluminum foil. On the top of the pipe you can use a rain cap (purchased through coloradocylinderstoves.com, but honestly, I wouldn't burn the stove very hot with the rain cap to minimize embers hitting the tent roof.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts my ex wife describes the smell of a Dutch oven like it’s so much worse….😂. All jokes aside, was looking at the tent you guys have on your website prior to coming to this video. Figured it’d be good to see how you guys set it up prior to purchase to see what I’m getting myself into.
I honestly don't know. I think it's because I had been burning the stove each night for the previous two videos and it's a very dry burn and removed the natural humidity from the air. That's the only thing I can think happened, but if you check out the weather report it's consistent with the temps that I mention on the respective days uploading the videos and publishing them the next day. Regardless I don't think anyone disputes that a wooden stove can warm up a tent on a 10 degree day. :)
@@Competitiveedgeproducts A lot of Wall tents come without a floor...this let's you walk into your tent on rainy days with out dragging mud into the floor if your tent...so long term camping is done by setting your wall tent up on a deck...
yes, but also the damper that came with my spruce model was really crappy. I only realized that after trying the camp chef alpine stove so I could have gotten more bang for my buck using the damper properly. Sorry for the delayed response. Did you end up getting a stove?
Nice video, we hunt out of a18x20 wall tent in the Adirondack mountains in New York. We have a 55 gal. Barrel stove with the stove kit , legs ,door , stack, door 10-12” , pipe 6”. -20 degrees we put in 10”wide x18” wood logs not split about 5-6 pieces last up to 6hrs heats up tent so you can sit in underwear and just like toast.only wood we split is big stuff . And instead of buying fat wood fire starter go get it free in woods
ive found presto logs do burn longer. i thought presto / compressed hardwood logs from tractor supply would create alot of ash, but no more than burning normal wood and last/ burn longer than most pines, and take up less space and have no critters hiding inside. only downside is its hard to stack. create a good bed of coals with normal wood, then add compressed logs.
Not sure what you mean by not wasting your money. People shouldn't go camping or hunting in the cold, because tents aren't insulated? And campers are being eaten by grizzly's? That's a big problem for campers? :) People go camping all the time and some people go weeks at a time and want to stay warm.
Hi Misty, the price is $859 for the tent. The enclosure is $399. We don't sell the stoves. www.competitiveedgeproducts.com/6170-Kodiak-Canvas-Cabin-Stove-Lodge-Tent_p_3216.html
All your smoke and all your heat is going up the chimney! As soon as the fire is going well, you should close the door and close the damper down and keep the heat in the tent. Obviously you do not have much experience with a wood stove. You don't say what species of Walmart wood is. Different species give off different amount of wood, oak, cherry, maple, ash, and beech among the best.
Great comment. Thank you for your feedback. I definitely do close the door and adjust the damper. I should've made that clear in the video, but you bring up a great point about the type of wood. I've seen a lot of different opinions on what type of wood to burn viewing videos online myself. Ash seems to be a favorite for a lot of Kodiak users.
It seems weird to me to be using 19th century technology in your heating. Why not get a stove with some re burning capability or a rocket stove with some heat mass? That stack thermometer says you are losing 400+ degrees out of your chimney.
Jeff Hanson camping and tents in and of themselves is pretty archaic anyway isn’t it? I guess I use it because it works really well. Not sure why I’d go with a different stove unless it was a significant cost savings. I can regulate the burn by partially closing the vents. Do you have a link to the stove you suggest?
The difference between the woodstoves you use in your house with all of the gasification technology and the Colorado cylinder stoves is the weight. My nice wood stove at home is over 100 pounds and will efficiently burn a log and stay hot for hours.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts I'll be building a stove for my tent we'll see if I can burn efficiently and stay under 45 pounds. I don't think a silverfire is that heavy though.
Nice tent, but you don't cover the cost of the stove or any additional costs for a different roof panel for the stove. The cost of the floor mat for the stove. Or the cost of the tent itself. But how does it compare to the Cabelas outfitters tents in make up materials and weight.
Very good video. One comment that I might add: You are using soft wood. I like using soft wood to get a hot fire going REALLY quick to warm up the tent, but once things are warmed up I transition to hard wood. It takes longer to get hard wood going but it will burn hotter and MUCH longer once it is going. I like to carry a mixture soft wood and hard wood when camping in cold temps.
Yep, mix of soft & hard. Once transitioned to hard, I'll add a piece of soft in here & there just to make sure it stays going & doesn't peter out.
Some areas only have soft woods. You’re very unlikely to find oak at high altitudes, or at least an abundance of dry dead oak. Most likely pinion pines and Aspen.
@@billdavis6978 Yes. You are correct that hardwoods are not typically found at higher elevations. So, if you are planning on gathering/cutting all your firewood from the area around your camp you might not be able to get hardwood. For that reason, I have the space to always throw in several pieces of hardwood. If I have 3-4 pieces of hardwood per night it can really make a difference.
@@RT-gv6us yeah a cord of hardwood in the rocky mountains is like 1200$ where I live too, permit for 2 cords of wood is $24 so it's not even an option in my eyes 😂
What????!!! $1200?? No way.
From Illinois
You can also control heat loss by turning your damper back a little bit so your heat is not going up to the chimney.
This is way more efficent way to control your stove rather than closing the air intake.
Wood heat = dry heat
Propane heat = wet heat
40° is warm compared to 10°
A couple things that will help both the longevity of your tent. Always, always remove snow and ice off your tent. By heating the tent you just cause water buildup at seams and unnecessary wetness. Also using softwood is much less efficient then a decent hardwood. Hickory, Pecan, or Oak will give a cleaner burn with less soot. You will also use significantly less wood to achieve the same BTU’s. And make sure you always have ventilation in your hot tent. I keep a CO alarm in mine as a safety factor. Enjoy you great tent.
How do you keep good ventilation in a tent. I’m new to camping
All wood has approximately the same btu per pound.
Properly seasoned softwood burns just as clean and smoke free as hardwood.
The biggest disadvantage of softwood, for me, is that it tends to not leave long lasting coals.
Overall, hardwood is objectively better firewood, but there’s nothing wrong with burning softwood.
@@cherrelleg8276 Canvas tents don't really seal that well due to zippers, seams, etc. But if you feel you need more airflow just unzip the door a few inches, preferably at the bottom if your door is designed that way.
For people who are buying precut, pre-split wood like in this video the BTU/pound being equivalent is not the relevant concern, it’s the energy density- an equal sized piece of oak will weigh far more than the equivalent sized piece of pine or aspen, as such they take far longer to burn and especially at night, not needing to refill my stove every hour is absolutely worth it lol.
Man, some real "know-it-alls" on here.
The guy is doing us a favor by demoing a tent and stove, then taking a LOT of time out of his day(s) to video, edit and post it.
He is in his freakin' yard demoing this... not in the timber with access to a full camp setup with chainsaws, kindling, etc.
You "experts" need to give Charlie a break. He is doing this as an assist for people.
For those that want to know the tent type, stove type, etc... watch the video. He thoroughly explains everything and posts links to where and how to purchase these items.
Thanks man!
i'd steer clear of box store or gas station wood entirely. often is treated with chemicals and accelerants, or is overly dry and burns too fast. I buy my campfire wood from farmers. just drive slow through the countryside near campgrounds and you'll see farms that sell large bundles of natural wood and its always way more wood for the dollar than that other stuff. plus you know where your money is going. i make a point of overpaying their cashbox because i know they appreciate it.
Farmers deliver their wood to the big box stores. My cousin does just that. No chemicals. Why would they add anything to the wood which just raises the cost of the supplier? If the fire is slow to ignite that is on the person building the fire and not a fault of natural wood. I do agree that it's cheaper to get wood directly from the farmer however. Less expense for the farmer means more value for the customer. City folk that would have to drive out of their way to get to the farms can still get wood from gas stations or stores with the extra cost being a convenience charge more or less.
kindling is key to lighting a good and quick fire, ask my daughter. wood heat is therapeutic for cold and sore bodys after long day of playing hard.
Hey daughter is kindling key to lighting a good and quick fire? Your dad wanted me to ask you.
If your wood is nice and dry like his was then all you need a is a firefighter or two and you can just throw thick logs in and they will catch no problems
I have turned into a wood scrounger for my tent stove. I cut scrap wood to fit in cardboard boxes and I don't have to cut wood while hunting. Did that when I was younger. Transporting the wood into the tent is also cleaner. Once the tent is warm less wood is needed to keep it at a comfortable temperature.
I have lots of wood on my property and would like to cut it up to use like you do.....How did you dry it out, or make sure it's dry enough before using it? Thx!!
@@tamarap387 I just cover it after boxing it up and forget it. For scrap wood I have now been wrapping it with stretch wrap with the small hand held rolls (local hardware store). The wood burns a little fast in the tent stove I have. GI korean war pot belly stove. It really warms the tent. Trial and error I have learned how to manage feeding it. A plastic milk size box of 2x4's will warm the tent from before dinner till past bed time. That is November temperatures at 5,000 ft elevation.
@@robertcope9494 Wow! Thank you for the information!
Hey Charlie. Thank you for another great and informative video. I have researched and watched every video on this tent and awning. I am very happy I made the purchase on both when I did!!!
merry christmas love the video ty......
Good video, but boy did you do an aggressive burn with that wood. I would be curious to know how much fuel one of those stoves in a tent situation would use when choked back enough to allow you to sleep, would use overnight, with maybe getting up twice to tend the fire. When I was a kid we had a wood stove in the house and would heat all night long by getting a bed of coals going, then loading the stove and choking it to keep the fire going, but kind of low. We'd get up in the morning and have to reload the stove to get it warm again for the day...
Great comment and great points you bring up. The canvas isn't insulated though it's better than nylon. I notice the fire going keeps it warm but the moment it's dead the temperature drops within a few minutes. I wish I had done more explaining how to regulate the fire using the damper and the front vent. I didn't have to burn it so hot once the tent air volume was warm, but I always at least started the fires roaring. I'd be interested in testing out coals. I'll have to note that for a future video. Thanks for the comment.
I was going to watch the whole video but the amount of ads made me realize it just wasn't worth it.
I use you tube premium! Well worth it!
Hey I’m wondering if you can tell us what brand of fire blanket you have under your stove ( or a link?)
lay a proper starting fire base and you wont have problems heating the tent fast ... or keeping it lit ... what you did was a newb mistake .. and all that softwood is great tinder but garbage heating ... hard woods ... heck even pine or birch will do in a pinch ... but oak is best ... even ebony .... also the damper slows heat loss and lowers the burn rate ... the front vents also lower burn rate by limiting oxygen in flow ... knowing how to set these both up for day and night time is essential ... and also knowing how to bank a fire for a long night of burning helps to but that cant be taught you have to learn it with experience ...
Thank you for that feedback.
So many trees have fallen due to storms, rot caused by excessive rain etc. it would be very cheap to just pick up wood in the woods. SHHHH Don't let the secret out
I got lucky once. One spring day I was in a large box store that was closing out 8 hour pressed logs. It was $2 for a case of 6. I bought all that they had... 2 pallets worth. I use them at night in my stove just before bedtime. Keeps my tent nice and toasty through the night, by morning, it's just warm enough to keep the chill off. WHAT a find that was....
What protocols do you take to ensure you don’t get carbon monoxide poisoning? I’m new to this whole canvas tent/stove camping
@@monay818 When you get any product with a CO risk, you need to read the manual. If you pull up the manual for say, the Camp Chef CS14 wood stove I used to use in my Kodiak Canvas Cabin tent, it says you need 20 square inches of open ventilation for safe operation.
Wood with moisture in it makes the snap, crackle, and pop sound and this is not optimal. Also get some real hard wood like oak or maple if you want a long hot burn, don't use Walmart wood.
I think that he is using pine
The sap in soft wood will make it crackle not moisture. Pine, cedar and spruce all crackle even when dry. Also maple and hard woods are nice but sometimes too hot for a tent. Also some places don’t have hard woods around.
Would you nerds shut it, do you think he doesn't know all that or can't Google simple stuff. Nobody is asking for your dumb advice let people do and and learn on their own.
@@TheAvkdutch be gone bully. Some of us are learning here. It's not just about 1 person. Goofy dude.
Dealing with temperatures that cold on a sunny morning makes the wood type a moot point.
My homemade stove burns about 2 peices of pecan that is 8"x3-4" every hour to hour and a half when the temp is -17°F in a onetigris tegimen and several times it got so hot that i let the fire die down to embers for 30 min just so the tent would cool down because i got to where i was sleeping in Pj pants no shirt no socks in -17° and still sweating and as we all know that is the last thing you want to do in that type of cold also i recommend a stove fan to help push the heat around the tent because even though it got probably 85-90° inside the tent there was still frost in a corner by the door where the heat wasnt getting over to i hope this helps add info to the question how much wood does it take to heat a tent during a 24hr time frame
Great points!
long time youtuber, just wana say THANKS for the great vid!!
I appreciate that!
Where is your thermal fan? Those are great to have!
Also, another aspect of fuel is what tools you need to do it and how much time do you have to process it.
And then there is the storage to season it.
Use a meat probe for real time temperature, just turn it on and set it on a table where u want a temp reading
Great idea!
The judge says I can't take out my meat probe anymore.
using the damper also ajusts the temperature
once you get it lit, open the damper on the pipe all the way, close the door and open door vent.
Oh is that what he should do? Cool story I will do that to his stove next time
@@TheAvkdutch The door helps create the draft that the open door doesn't do.
Im surprysed you are allowrd to outch that tent and burn wood in that resudebtial area. My friebds HA won't even alow her to dry washing outside.
I have some good neighbors. They were okay with it. They've all gotten some good deals on tents. ;)
Ponderosa and aspen bundles are also sold here in the deep south. Being it is cut from standing dead wood it is dry as a powder house. Though I have access to tons of some of the finest fat lighter, I still like having a few bundles of the dry ponderosa and aspen on hand. I start with tinder and fat lighter and split some pine into 2 or so inch squares, later throwing on a few of the larger pieces. You can quickly build a good bed of hot coals. It is great for getting a quick fire in the morning cold. After establishing the coals I burn oak only. Yea...we are lucky to have plenty of oak down here. With pit fires I love using seasoned and green oak...you use a lot less wood. I would love to own one of those tents, but I am getting too old to set up such a beast. I am looking into the Flex Bow though.....just saving up for it.
Here in NJ we have Cinnamon Spice, Gluten Free......
I use tamarack and I use 2 big armloads a night at around zero degrees in my tent with england stove works black bear stove .
finally someone tells me an amount per night with an outdoor temp (always more factors to factor in but thankyou!)!
@@ashleys562 , It all according to the type of wood you use . Around me , the best firewood is tamarack . If i burn something softer like fir , I will be burn much more and have to clean the fireplace and stove pipe sooner .
Thanks for the video !
Did the hole for the woodburner flu come with tent please? or did u add it?
Yes the tent includes the hole which is called a stove jack.
I frefer oak myself.. or hickory...
No its not air velocity.. your combustion temp is low, creosote will form.. smoke res unburned fuel. Resins ...
A tent in your back yard, and you call it camping hahahahaha!!
This was part of a 4-month demo to show how well the tent holds up in the winter. Wasn't about to take 4 months off work :) Setting it up and demoing it in the backyard made it convenient to keep the demo long and convenient for me.
okay fatwood a cuple of them okay i just use some chips of them just for starting the fire and there is no need to by them just look at pine trees
the wood that you are using is soft wood like pine or aspen. it will burn good and throw some heat, but it isn't oak. if you use a hardwood it will last a lot longer with more even heat. if you are burning pine you are risking a chimney fire because of the pitch that will build up in the chimney. be careful
Wow you are smart, tell us more oh wise one.
@@TheAvkdutch your a bit of a dick aren’t you?you’ve commented like this a few times on this video.your drunk and angry that no one likes you aren’t you 😂
I don't really think you have to worry about pine tar building up in the pipe unless you're going to be there for a month, even some Cottonwood would probably burn longer than that pine though, at least it's hardwood
You are repeating an old wives tail.
Properly seasoned pine poses no more risk for creosote buildup or chimney fires than seasoned hardwood.
My chimney is sheet titanium that you roll and drop rings over to make a flue.
Much easier to sweep than a chimney :)😂
👍👍👍 love it, thanks
I bought your 10x10 tent with a camp chief alpine. I thought I read somewhere that the stove jack on the tent is only rated for 575 °F. It looks like you were able to burn hotter than that safely. Am I ok to burn hotter than 575 °F as long as it's not for a prolonged period of time?
Great question. I've burned hotter than 575 and the silicone ring was just fine, but it was also during extremely low temperatures outside so that could be a factor. Did you get a chance to use it?
Thanks man for your review I just bought one from sportsman’s guide
Depends on how much wood you have to burn,
In very cold temps, like single digits F. I had to load it twice in the night. Anything above 32F was just once.
Draft is key.
Proper air and damper adjustments keep all the heat from going out the chimney.
Old timers that had coal heat in their houses were experts at this.
I know this is not current but I found when I’m hot tent camping that the stove worked WAY better if you put some clay or dirt about 1 1/2” to 2” thick in the bottom your fire will be much more consistent and wood burns longer with a much more even heat in the tent. Kid you not it’s like night & day how the fire burns AND how it heats the tent
Saves the bottom of the stove as well.
where's your thermometer to measure inside temperature change over time to gauge stove and tent efficiency ??.
I kept it on the cot/bed. There was one outside the tent that connected to the thermometer wirelessly as well to tell outside temp.
The damper should have been open all the way...
This was actually pleasant to listen to. I will usually take one bag of logs, one bag of kindling, and one bag of firestarters (preferably wood wool). Personally, I prefer to use a larger butane gas lighter. That will last me for about one or two nights, even if I'm burning away non-stop. Actual firewood that you can purchase in a store is always going to work much better than collecting birch bark, sticks and larger pieces of wood from your natural surroundings... not only that, but it's illegal to do that in most natural parks and woodlands anyway. I'd recommend to always use fireproof gloves when opening the stove door, something like a pot lifter to redistribute the wood inside the stove, and a smoke detector to avoid a carbon monoxide intoxication. Stay safe!!
Open the damper I’d you’re looking for higher and faster heat
Hedge saves its a harder wood and takes less to maintain heat if it's available
I put my thermometer on my stove itself I have a big Ashley circulator
radiant heat is the term you are looking for
Ah, thank you. That right.
If you are camping you are getting wood at Walmart 😂
So do u have a baffle where the flame goes up the chimney
I am curious how well the stove warms up the awning room in the front if you open up the divider window on the tent. I am waiting for my tent and patio room to arrive. I am hoping it warms up that front room as i cook dinner in it on the late elk hunts.
Let us know how it works out for you. It definitely warms it up a bit, but on super cold days like 5 degrees there is no warming the awning area up to a comfortable temp unless you have some type of battery-operated fan. On a moderately cold day like 40 degrees, for sure it warms up pretty good in the add-on room with the door and window open to it.
What stove is that?
Colorado Cylinder Stove - Spruce Model
My man said you can't smell smoke but you can smell the iron burning wow
I was thinking there was no way you'd get that wood lit with that bit of paper, but then you pulled out your ace, those pieces of fat wood. Did the trick!
Would you worry about attracting bears or animals by cooking in your tent?
Yes. If you are in bear country that's always a valid concern and in those scenarios we store our food in the cab of the truck or in a bear box. Black bears don't concern me much, but if you are in Yellowstone, Jackson, or Grizzly Bear country that is a different story.
That fat wood is amazing. We have plenty of it in the south from all the old pine trees. I always keep a stock pile around the house for fire starting.
Thank you for your comment. What stove do you use?
I haven't figured out what stove or tent to purchase. Right now we still go old school with extra blankets and a camp fire.
@@dieseljunky8505 Nothin wrong with that!
I'm tall and the tent in the right looks better for those of us that do not like to bend down. Great video!
I used to pick up wood lying on the ground somewhere, I like to save $$ and clean up the side of the roads.
Thanks for the video! Another question... can you use a regular wood stove with that stove opening? Meaning with regular stove pipe I guess, like the 7 - 8" stove pipe? It gets down to -30 here.
Sorry to be the Engineer new viewer, 10 degrees C or F.. ? It helps your viewer understand. I watch a ton of UA-cam videos (as i only need 4 to 5 hours of sleep) are you in Canada or the United states? Appreciate the video just need to set the base line. 8:15 now I get it!
I use veg oil, on the stove and it reminds me of popcorn.. nice job.
Sorry for the confusion. The temperature is Farenheit.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts no problem . Hope it helps all the views outside the US. Appreciate your work!
That's really, really dry wood. It's good to get a fire going, but you'll burn through your supply quick. Try some green wood, especially at night once you get a good coal bed built. That's better for your long slow burn.
Green wood?
What do you mean by that term?
Green wood designates chemically treated wood for construction that is waterproof.
I don't think you mean that of course bc it gives off poisonous gases...
but greenwood is the last thing you want to use on the stove you don't want to use green lady want to use well seasoned wood.
I'm originally from Colorado but I'm in Missouri now so seasoned wood is what you want to have now in Colorado pine greenwood might designate wood with a lot of sap in it which means it will burn hotter we're going to cut the chimney stack though so just a weird thing to say burned green with you that's the last thing you want to burn you want to carrier with do you want to season it you want to be dry and ready to burn without gunking up your stack with sap and creosote and greenwood is going to massively add to your creosote load which is going to lead to a chimney fire a flu fire which is not good at any scenario
I would not use soft woods like pine if you can avoid it. seasoned hardwood are cleaner. Clean your chimney pipe every few days to avoid buildup and fire hazard in the pipe.
Brian, thanks for your feedback. I'm not sure what you mean by seasoned hardwood. I thought seasoned just means that it has been left out to dry (no green) for a few days.
Although hardwoods are definitely better, not every area has hardwoods. Pines burn, and as long as you use dry wood and clean your chimney regularly when burning pine, it will be fine. Seasoned wood is any wood with 20% moisture or less. Most wood takes several months to properly sason when the outside humidity is lower. Some woods in some regions of the country take years to properly dry/season.
I’ve been burning soft woods like pine for years in my hot tent and ice shack since there are no hard woods around here and never had a problem . Now if your heating a house all winter that could be different.
Seasoned wood is wood that has been marinated, or had a dry rub of spices put on it before being burned. My favorite is just salt and pepper, place in the fire place or wood stove and light it up. Yummy
@@TheAvkdutch 🙄🤡
I would like to know what the life expectancy of the tent with this stove?
Lifetime warranty. That being said the expected useage is about 3 weeks per year. In that case, it should last you decades if properly cared for (never stored wet).
Do you have any plans to demo the new 12 x 16 cabin tent?
Yes, the demo is done, but editing the video. This link to the setup is unlisted, because we are waiting on the demo to be complete, but it still kind of shows you the tent itself as well as the add-on rooms. ua-cam.com/video/ZWFVvX43s4M/v-deo.html
Great video, thank you.
I'm guessing a piece of fire proof tape around the stove pipe seam would fix that water drip problem. Also an 8 foot piece of straight 1x2" trim board or 2x4..with an 6" pole mounted perpendicular, in the center, would be an easy way to rake that snow off the top without having to tap it from the inside?
That's a great idea!
what other tops can we get for the stove pipe incase it rains?
Good question. The rain cap could be used during rain and with a wet roof is unlikely to do noteworthy harm. Just keep in mind a rain cap in its design to keep out water creates more debris on the tent roof top and if it isn't raining or wet it could mark the roof.
What's the name of that wood burning stove and the name of the tent ?
The stove is the Spruce model by Colorado Cylinder Stoves. The tent is the Kodiak 12x12 Hot Stove Ready Lodge Tent model 6173. www.competitiveedgeproducts.com/6173-kodiak-canvas-10x10-cabin-stove-lodge-hot-tent.html
how often do you need to refill the stove so the fire don´t die out?
Most portable stoves I've used need refilling every 45mins-1hour, depending on size and air controls. You might have some embers even for an hour past that. If you want to stay warm all night and use a stove, someone will have to keep waking up to feed it.
We are new to tent camping and have bought the Kodiak Cabin tent (from your company!) and also Camp Chef Alpine wood stove to use with it. We'd like to keep our tent up for a few months but wondering how do you keep rain/water from coming both in the stove pipe as well as the in the gaps between the cylinder and the stove ring in the tent? Our 5" stove pipe does not fit tightly in the opening (maybe 1/4"-1/2" gaps all around) and we're looking for a solution so we don't have to take the pipe down each time we leave for the week. Any suggestions or products would be appreciated.
You could use that silicone (the same type that makes up the ring in the stove jack opening) to seal that up better. Others use aluminum foil. On the top of the pipe you can use a rain cap (purchased through coloradocylinderstoves.com, but honestly, I wouldn't burn the stove very hot with the rain cap to minimize embers hitting the tent roof.
“Smells like a Dutch oven”…..not sure I wanna be smelling that😂
The idea of it smelling like a dutch oven just meant that it has that cast iron smell.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts my ex wife describes the smell of a Dutch oven like it’s so much worse….😂. All jokes aside, was looking at the tent you guys have on your website prior to coming to this video. Figured it’d be good to see how you guys set it up prior to purchase to see what I’m getting myself into.
Fahrenheit, presumably?
Sorry, yes.
this was a very good video to understand wood stove, thanks.
How is your breath not crystalized in ten degrees?
I honestly don't know. I think it's because I had been burning the stove each night for the previous two videos and it's a very dry burn and removed the natural humidity from the air. That's the only thing I can think happened, but if you check out the weather report it's consistent with the temps that I mention on the respective days uploading the videos and publishing them the next day. Regardless I don't think anyone disputes that a wooden stove can warm up a tent on a 10 degree day. :)
Can you buy this tent with out a floor...?
It is not manufactured without a floor.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts A lot of Wall tents come without a floor...this let's you walk into your tent on rainy days with out dragging mud into the floor if your tent...so long term camping is done by setting your wall tent up on a deck...
Can you heat water ( ie perk style coffee pot ) or cook on the top of that stove?
Absolutely, I bought a little t-kettle from Walmart and it heats up pretty quickly just on the stove's surface.
Thanks for the info 😊.
Would the larger cylinder model burn longer you think Charlie?
yes, but also the damper that came with my spruce model was really crappy. I only realized that after trying the camp chef alpine stove so I could have gotten more bang for my buck using the damper properly. Sorry for the delayed response. Did you end up getting a stove?
Any recommendations for a cold weather tent?
we're did you get the thermometer at?
I got the thermometer from Lowes.com www.lowes.com/pd/IMPERIAL-100-Fahrenheit-to-850-Fahrenheit-Magnetic-Stove-Thermometer/3447428
Great video question how big is the area you are heating in sq ft
144 square feet
Good question does the tent sweat with wood heat ?
It sweats with a Mr. Buddy Heater, but not with firewood.
What is that blanket?
That's the Kodiak Booster Quilt. www.competitiveedgeproducts.com/Kodiak-1333-Booster-Quilt-Accessory-for-Kodiak-Reg-Size-Sleeping-Bag_p_3007.html
Use potato chips to start a fire
Save the chips, soon enough Federal Reserve Notes will become the choice to ignite a fire.
@@yourworstnightmareiscathoc7015 plus used face masks
Where's the link for the stove dude?
coloradocylinderstoves.com/shop/ols/products/alpine-stove-package-472295e9-d451-4373-9999-4701ef9a2c3a
Unfortunately to small for a base camp. Need at least 20ft
That is definitely a cool tent I would love to have one
Me too
Nice video, we hunt out of a18x20 wall tent in the Adirondack mountains in New York. We have a 55 gal. Barrel stove with the stove kit , legs ,door , stack, door 10-12” , pipe 6”. -20 degrees we put in 10”wide x18” wood logs not split about 5-6 pieces last up to 6hrs heats up tent so you can sit in underwear and just like toast.only wood we split is big stuff . And instead of buying fat wood fire starter go get it free in woods
ive found presto logs do burn longer. i thought presto / compressed hardwood logs from tractor supply would create alot of ash, but no more than burning normal wood and last/ burn longer than most pines, and take up less space and have no critters hiding inside. only downside is its hard to stack. create a good bed of coals with normal wood, then add compressed logs.
I just lock it in at 90 and don't care how much wood it takes ! Have my own supply on 50 acres !
Obviously never heard of Kinlin this guy is definitely a beginner
How much does this tent cost and does it come with the stove
Simply, there is no R value to tents!! Don't waste your money! Remember a tent is a Ziploc bag for a grizzly!
Not sure what you mean by not wasting your money. People shouldn't go camping or hunting in the cold, because tents aren't insulated? And campers are being eaten by grizzly's? That's a big problem for campers? :) People go camping all the time and some people go weeks at a time and want to stay warm.
the tent he has is 1300 bucks stove not included
Nice video. What’s that jacket you’re wearing? Thanks!
It's a browning jacket that's discontinued I'm sorry to say. Best jacket I've owned. Sorry.
What is the full price for the text, stove and enclosure?
Hi Misty, the price is $859 for the tent. The enclosure is $399. We don't sell the stoves. www.competitiveedgeproducts.com/6170-Kodiak-Canvas-Cabin-Stove-Lodge-Tent_p_3216.html
Moisture n C02 from burning propane.
All your smoke and all your heat is going up the chimney! As soon as the fire is going well, you should close the door and close the damper down and keep the heat in the tent. Obviously you do not have much experience with a wood stove. You don't say what species of Walmart wood is. Different species give off different amount of wood, oak, cherry, maple, ash, and beech among the best.
Great comment. Thank you for your feedback. I definitely do close the door and adjust the damper. I should've made that clear in the video, but you bring up a great point about the type of wood. I've seen a lot of different opinions on what type of wood to burn viewing videos online myself. Ash seems to be a favorite for a lot of Kodiak users.
Well you can look at that wouldn't tell that it is Pine
Good video brother
When you say 10 degrees, do you mean 50 degrees, or minus 12 degrees? ..Hmmm ! : /
I don't get it.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts Fahrenheit or Celsius
@@ashleyfroud5015 must have been Fahrenheit because 10c isn’t cold
Sad
It seems weird to me to be using 19th century technology in your heating. Why not get a stove with some re burning capability or a rocket stove with some heat mass? That stack thermometer says you are losing 400+ degrees out of your chimney.
Jeff Hanson camping and tents in and of themselves is pretty archaic anyway isn’t it? I guess I use it because it works really well. Not sure why I’d go with a different stove unless it was a significant cost savings. I can regulate the burn by partially closing the vents. Do you have a link to the stove you suggest?
The difference between the woodstoves you use in your house with all of the gasification technology and the Colorado cylinder stoves is the weight. My nice wood stove at home is over 100 pounds and will efficiently burn a log and stay hot for hours.
@@Competitiveedgeproducts I'll be building a stove for my tent we'll see if I can burn efficiently and stay under 45 pounds. I don't think a silverfire is that heavy though.
@@GoldCoinBryce Silverfire Tent Dragon? www.silverfire.us/multi-tent-dragon
@@jeffhanson6844 yeah, keep us posted on that. The one in the video is the Colorado Cylinder Spruce.
Nice tent, but you don't cover the cost of the stove or any additional costs for a different roof panel for the stove. The cost of the floor mat for the stove. Or the cost of the tent itself. But how does it compare to the Cabelas outfitters tents in make up materials and weight.