Not another one?!? The CAR WIZARD saves the owner of this '15 Porsche Panamera thousands!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ saves the owner of this 2015 Porsche Panamera from yet another dealer cash grab.
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The front tire wear was made aware to the customer, as well as alignment. We do niether of these services at my shop.
Lmao. I was just going to comment on that
Just out of curiosity - is the lack of tire service just due to risking wheel damage during mount / dismount? Or stocking / acquiring a bunch of odd sizes for the kind of cars you service? Both?
I feel bad pointing it out but couldn't help it. Love your content Wizard! I was glad when you started the channel and truly enjoy watching it. Ignore the haters, I can see sometimes it gets to you but you'll always have internet trolls... Cheers
Yep nitto on one side and a worn Michelin on the other.
Your the Boss Wizard!
@@RayPerigo He said in earlier videos that he dislikes tire work. I think they're overwhelmed with work as is. So to diversify in something that he is not a fan of doing right now and the way the business model is set up it would make no sense to make it into a tire place as well. I assume its similar in the Midwest as it is on the east coast. There are dedicated tire shops (that also do alignment) and dedicated shops for mechanical work. I've found that the ones that do both often enough do not do either job right, but that could be just my personal experience. Anyways back to work, had too much fun commenting today, I rarely ever do. Cheers
The dealership forgot to quote him for a new brake pedal
And an ABS module
And the emergency brake lever and the low windscreen washer signal on the dash...not forgetting the rear brake lights too😂😂😂
@@JustinPaul1stOr the brake light switch haha
Blinker Fluid Control Module Assembly, new muffler bearings...how the car was driven in without bursting into flame is unknown!
@@markh.6687 yeah that's the German spec part in an American car🤔🤔🤔
Jezza said the dog thing about the Crossfire, not the Panamera. He (or Hammond) said they really liked driving it because it was a good car and when they were inside it, they didn't have to look at it :)
Nice from far, but far from nice!
Yep was the Crossfire
Yawn!
I had a Toyota dealer in Denver comment that my brakes were down to 3mm and needed to be replaced soon. I was surprised, being that the car was almost new and had only 30 thousand gentle highway miles. Went to a more reputable dealer and the number was 7! At 155 thousand miles the brakes still had 4mm! Great video.
I had a similar experience at a Toyota dealer in the Pacific NW. They said I needed new brakes. I got a second opinion at a Les Schwab tire shop. They said I was good to go.
I work at a dealership and the problem is most technicians will not take the wheels off to check the pads properly .. some cars have absolutely no way of telling how much pad is left on them without taking the wheel off and opening the caliper . Had a few jobs come in saying replace brake pads because the previous tech quoted "3mm" and upon opening the caliper finding the pads still at 60% (6mm)+
Which Denver dealership was it?
@@birk0086 This was the one on Arapaho (in 1991). The dealership eventually changed to Nissan (which convinced my dad to have his brakes relined on a 9 month old car with 10,000 miles!" )
Hi Wizard, I'm a mechanic in Australia and unfortunately we have crooks over here too, a friend who is also a mechanic had a customer bring a 2002 C200 Mercedes to him for some brake work, the customer had been told by another shop that it needed new pads and rotors all round and was quoted $2000.00, my friend looked at it and found that it only needed front pads, he only charged $100 to supply and fit. Seems that the crooks think that because the customer owns a European car then they should pay more repairs.
Thank goodness there are some honest mechanics like you around.
Regards
You should get some large car wizard magnets to stick over license plates when you don't want to show them. Like eric the car guys does. Saves editing
Pretty sure this is the first time he's blurred out the plate. I'm sure the owner was ,"Sure, but don't show my plate!"
Or just a cheap hand towel from Dollar Tree
Problem with that is Kansas has been using *aluminum* plates since 2018...
Make sure that it is a special 'aluminium magnet' though.
Why people hide there license is stupid, all you can do is just look up name and address info, so hiding it is pointless.
"There is no money value you can put on your reputation".....never forget this and you will sleep well at night.
Hurray for the Wizard. All you need is an honest mechanic and the Wizard is defiantly an honest mechanic
Mark up your parts, charge for labor, and look at how being a good honest business owner pays off. We all want our mechanics to make money, but don't BS us. Wonderful job!
Most dont want or care if the shop even survives. They just want absolute cheapest price, undercutting and bickering about pennies. Only concerned about their end. No one elses. Sad...
@@CarWizard My family's been lucky enough to rely on the same reputable shop for 40 years and 3 generations. You're absolutely right, so sad.
Thanks for the quality content, Wizard! The Panamera exterior styling was greatly improved in 2017.
The Wizard in front of the dealership: YOU shall NOT pass!
Wizard. So glad you did the Panamera. I have a 2010 and think it is the greatest value (thank you depreciation) in such a versatile car. Hatch with back seats down and it has the room of an SUV. You can haul a family (of 4). Sporty, fast and takes corners like no other in its class. I have done some work, like the brakes myself. Very straight forward. I live in KC and only wish you were closer. Love your channel. Thank you.
I believe that, Clarkson's "pooping dog" reference, actually referred to the 2004 Chrysler Crossfire.
Yes, it was shipmate
Clarkson's a superdouche.
If I remember right, the Panamera was “the hunchback of Notre Dame”
@@300DBenz And a drowning victim's bloated corpse.
I remember when this car was against the quattroporte and Aston Martin in that top gear episode , they looked away every time a mirror came up
Beautiful car. Still haven't figured out why people hate this car.
The best form of advertising is word of mouth and honesty 👌🏻
also showing your work on video so that all the deskbound jockeys can criticise. Have to respect the guy. Also he shows how he diagnoses odd problems
Wizard, thank you for your videos and honesty. I wish you were in Maryland!!
Wizard the Panemera needs Front Tires!!! They are on the limiters, especially the front left!
Doesn't do tires. Why do you think Hoovie goes over to the Car Ninjas with a Bentley full of wheels?
@@Hotlog69 my bad I forgot
That's why I do all the work myself . 4 disks for Panamera £400 , front and rear pads £150, a couple of hours work.
I agree with the wizard. I understand that dealerships are trying to survive. I had a BMW dealership quote $635 for a 4 wheel alignment. Local shop did a Lazer alignment for $49.
"Honesty is not a virtue because human beings have to be honest."
I have been following you for a while and I really like your work and your frankness.
So, congratulations. Also greetings from Istanbul.
I worked at a Mercedes dealer in the North East of England as a driver, and I was told that the dealer made more money from servicing and repairs that car sales.
This is what I learned from Porsche, when you run these cars hard braking!! the black finish that I believe comes with this car will turn a light gray on the calipers. Someone got these brakes extremely hot to do this. There is no telling the condition of the internal parts of the calipers or brake system. Note the color of the front caliper in video!!!
That's interesting I have never heard that I have a 2018 Panamera 4S and I don't drive the car hard at all but my calipers are gray light gray
Midas once told my sister that the 2 front calipers needed replacement because they weren’t releasing. I thought that maybe he was talking about them being frozen. I called the shop and asked the manager to explain what he meant by calipers not releasing. He explained they weren’t popping back open when the brake pedal was released. I explained to him that he was full of it because calipers don’t pop back like drum brakes. They either have pressure when pushing the pedal or no pressure on the pads. I told him he needed to replace the pads and turn the rotors for the estimate he gave my sister. I told him if he had anymore problems to call me not my sister.
He actually had the nerve to call me later that day telling me the brake fluid was burnt and the car needed a complete brake fluid flush and fill. I asked him how brake fluid gets burnt? He hung up on me. My sister finally got her car for the original price quote but it was a fight all the way.
I bought a 2016 4S panamera less than a year ago with 24,000 miles from the porsche dealership & it came with the pre owned porsche certified warranty. One month after i purchased it the tire light came on and the front passenger tire had 15 psi. Porsche said they would send a flatbead out, I was nervous about the fact that I wouldn't be able to prove if they damaged the vehicle in anyway. So I filled the tire & drove to the dealership myself. They tell me that the tire had a roofing nail in it & would need to be replaced but they couldn't get the tire until the next day. So I asked if I could get a rental vehicle, they said no, they informed me that they would give me a ride home & when it was fixed THEY would drive MY CAR to my house. I said no just call me when the tire gets here and I'll come back. So here I am driving a car with a roofing nail in the tire & they didn't care. I went back the next day, it took over 2 hours & $580.00 to replace the tire. TOTAL RIP OFF!
I had that same exact thing happen with me on my 2014 CR-V a couple of years back at Mavis. They told me that I needed new rear calipers, pads, and rotors. Right away, I knew what the deal was and I wasn't having it. Given that I was working a Corporate job at that time, I didn't have time to do the job myself, so I opted to take it to my trusted independent mechanic and I brought him new pads and rotors to install, he took care of the rear brakes (pads & rotors) which was all it really needed for $207.
Thanks wizard, another great
Video. Its amazing how hard it
Is to find a good, honest mechanic.
Your reputation speaks volumes. 👍
“This is definitely one of the cars that has multiple, multiple warning lights that could come on...”
He should’ve been pointing at the Rover on the lift.
Yeah but made up for it putting the Porsche up on the lift for a clear shot of the Bentley!
He was more referencing that this the type of car that has plenty of warning lights and dash readouts for many different things .. not saying it will come on because of unreliability..
The way you blurry blacked out the rear license plate, Does make it look like it's Pooping. 💩💩💩🤣🤣
The high cost of maintenance and repair, especially the dishonest dealership repair shop and other repair shops, drives the value of a used one so low that one can buy a pre owned one for a fraction of the original cost. My friend bought one recently with similar year and mileage for 30k telling me no one buy used Panamera hence the price is so cheap!
That is why they call them, "Stealer Ships". Porsche Dealers think all of their customers have "Deep Pockets". Also why used Porsches are so expensive, owners trying to recover some of their previous outlays for unnecessary repairs by dealers and other Porsche repair shops.
The dealer sounds similar to what happened to us recently. Since we don't have the dealer perform basic services, they lowballed us on a trade by a few grand AND said it needed 2500 bucks of repairs, some of which I had just done. It seems they'll try and get your money one way or another. Dishonest tactics are what make dealerships get a bad name in my mind.
Looks like that front end needs an alignment given that inner tire wear on the driver's side.
I wish you would call out that crooked car dealership by name. It would hold them accountable for being so corrupt. Maybe it would make them change their ways or go out of business. Either way, it would make the world a better place.
Been thinking about a Porsche but kinda need a more family oriented vehicle. Having experienced a Subaru WRX, the whole sport sedan is really nice but a manual for a family/daily car isn't so friendly. The panamera seems like the ultimate GT, family cruiser, modern hot rod all in one. I like the almost station wagon look and adds to the whole utility of it where say a Subaru WRX is quick but part of that being how light the car is which requires it to be smaller.
Despite all the complaining, I always liked the original Panamera design, looked like you might expect a Porsche sedan to look! Slick!
These dealers should be exposed and called out, this needs to change
Crazy to think dealerships/repair shops will to this length to scam you just to make money. Surely they must know that they will lose trade once rumbled! Glad I do most of the maintenance on my car and only take it to a trusted mechanic for jobs that require specialist tool.
Dealership charges you for a part they know dose not need to be replaced, then just clean the part to look new
I dealt with an independent in MI that flat refused to replace anyone's brake pads unless they could replace calipers too. Didn't matter what kind of car or what your car was worth, just their terms of business. Crazy.
A few lessons here. Never trust the Dealership for repairs.. Ever! I do wonder though why someone buys an exotic style / brand of vehicle and then wonder why its more expensive to fix. This car isn't a KIA or a Ford.. Doing your own work can really save a bundle if you own a car like this..
If that Porsche needed that many brake parts replaced after only 40k miles, that company needs to be shut down and put out of business for gross incompetence and endangering the public safety by making substandard parts.
My Chevy has 150k miles and the only thing I have ever had to do to the brakes was to replace pads and rotors and unstuck 2 slide pins, that's it. I did the work myself, used AC Delco Professional pads and locally sourced coated rotors, and I paid HALF of what I was quoted by the stealership for just the front axle of brakes.
In love with my Panamera Turbo. Can't beat the used car value.
Dealerships have become absolutely vicious for extra cash after COVID...I had a round of this rubbish last time I went to a dealer. I ended up fixing my own car over a weekend and saved myself about £2k.
Sounds like the dealership thought the owner would blindly accept any quote because they had money to burn just because they owned a Porsche.
There is a difference between fleecing the customer and not doing proper diagnostics, though. There's unfortunately a lot of the latter in the repair industry as well...
We need a "Wizard Certified" list of shops. I had a VW dealer tell me that I needed my entire ABS system replaced on my Passat. I took it to O'Reilly's and had them pull the codes. A couple of wheel sensors later and I was back on the road with no warning lights!
Thanks for another honest repair Wizard 🧙👍
The tires don’t look too good, especially the drivers side. It needs an alignment. The lower side of the bumper has seen better days. Great car though overall. A great thing to have a great honest mechanic like you Car Wizard.
If the wizard really cares He'd name the dealership and display their repair quote. Otherwise, it's one-sided grandstanding with no accountability.
People call the Panamera ugly. Drivers of Panameras don't care b/c they're enjoying driving them. They look great from behind the steering wheel!
As for family sedan, BMW M550i or a Panamera GTS, but that's just me...
With the Wizard: Last 911 video, and this one- Porsche dash is zero bu!!s##t.
Perfectly placed controls and gauges. Honda is pretty good at that, too.
P.S. those front rotors and pads are monstrous! Goodness. Have I not worked on a modern car?
If you needed a new master cylinder ...
.. would you be able to drive the car to the dealership?!? Pretty sure if that long list of parts were actually broken that car would have been on a tow truck!
A great shop and mechanic like this is worth more than the cars.
The Wizard is a positive role model.
$1700 for brake pads and rotors! Wow! The wizard must have used OEM Porsche parts which can be outrageously priced. This is why I do 99% of my own work and save the $200/hour flat rate labor.
Not as bad as my wife's pads were when I changed them two weeks ago. They were close to reaching the groove, and had just started making noise a month before. I wish I had pulled Ford's economy pads off that thing earlier...so much more like brakes should be now(did change rotors/service calipers).
I can't BELIEVE that wonderfully spacious engine bay came out of 2014
9:25 The 2021 Porsche Panamera starts at $88,550, and its prices stay the same, excluding the addition of the new Turbo S and 4S E-Hybrid will both cost over $110,000. So this is always the same type of greed, car repair shops figure, there must be money, let's try to get more.
I took my 17 mercedes to my shop since the brakes were squeaking and I thought it was the time for new pads etc.. They came back and said, nope. Pads are still 50% , youre fine. Honest shop is a rarity
I`m a Porsche Driver, have 2 of them, Porsche in the UK are a joke, they quote £10,000 as soon as you drive the car into the dealership !
Porsche dealers try to trick their customers? My boss has a porsche Cayenne and I was asked to take it to the dealer ship. It was a new car and that was its first service. What that dealership did? It told me nothing about the content of that first service, and went on to clean AC and change its AC filter then comming back to charge me around 800 bucks for the first service. All that car needed was oil change, it only had 3000 miles on it. NO other brands' dealership will do the first service without telling me what they are planning to do on cars and asking for permission. To me, this is truly disgusting. If my boss did not want to cover the cost for AC cleaning and filter change, it will be all my fault and I may lose my job.
Alright guys, someone should remind the Wizard to pat himself on the back every video in the off chance that he didn't do so already.
The Porsche dealer was right....in a Porsche dealer way. Porsches are designed to be flat out Autobahn burners (even if it is just image). If cost were no object, lines, clippers, etc, etc. would make sense.
Everyone should know by now that car dealerships make money not by selling cars but by ancillary services.
I’d love to see a video on that Discovery 2 in the background! I love the land rovers!
I’m sure the dealer would rather have mechanics work on more complex jobs rather than a brake job to maximize profit. They don’t want to mess around with a simple Brake job. If you don’t get the super car fixed it’s worthless. Dealers must love that kind of leverage. You have to get the Porsche fixed regardless of the cost to get back that huge investment you made.
Jeremy Clarkson DID NOT say that about the Porsche pan he said that about the Chrysler crossfire coupe . Just wanted to help I love your channel !
They gave him a price that said: we aren't repairing this car, talk to the salesman. The porsche owner was smart and didn't accept the repair or buying a new vehicle from the dealership.
I think he actually made that "dog squat" comment referring to the Chrysler Crossfire
Love it, I only spent $1700 in maintenance on my Ford Contour for the 7 years before selling it.
I know, those premium brand brake rotors are stupidly expensive. The OEM front rotors, pads, and hardware for my Jag was $500. For the same on my T-Bird, it was less than $200.
I had an experience with my Porsche dealer in Melbourne- for my 911 - I checked the air filter and it was filthy- they didn’t even check it- charged me for a service but I think they pretty much just changed the windscreen wipers for $700
The dealer probably would've just shot the calipers and master cylinder with some cleaner and put on new pads and rotors. I had a 2004 Dakota which suddenly decided to shift up and down randomly and rev the engine all over the place. It came with papers from a dealer saying a whole bunch of stuff had been done for the same problem, including replacing things in the transmission.
I hooked up my OBD2 reader and among the codes was one relating to the throttle position sensor voltage. A-ha! I replaced the TPS and everything was 100%. Then I did a fluid and filter change on the transmission. The filters (one a typical automatic transmission filter, the other screws on like an engine oil filter) were the original OEM ones with 2004 date codes. Proof the dealer ripped the previous owner off for a couple thousand bucks when all it needed was a $25 TPS and about 15 minutes labor to change it. The old repair receipt didn't mention replacing the TPS.
Those scumbag dealers need to be turned in. People work too hard for their money to be screwed over.
He said NO BRO! WE’RE NOT DOING THAT. 😂😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍👍👍.
The dealer was trying to do the "billable hours"!!!
I feel like it’s illegal for the dealer/mechanic to say your car needs repairs when it doesn’t.
And you might mark up parts but you seem to be totally ok with people bringing their own parts, which is IMO also a sign of a good mechanic because you're willing to write off that few dollars so the customer actually gets what they want (obviously with no labor warranty, just the parts warranty).
I believe the hourly rate is higher if you BYOP, as it should be ... and no warranty labour if the parts are defective.
@@frankp.2831 I'm not 100% sure because of how my mechanic shows labor on the paperwork, but I think they're charging the same whether I bring the part or not. I'll have to ask him next time I'm in there, now I'm curious.
Well, the reason there is room is for accommodating a bigger V8 engine, as well as turbo variants. But yeah, lots of space.
customer should sue the dealership for scamming him thousands of dollars
I can't see how they could honestly ever reccomend ALL of that for a simple brake job. If somebody sincerely thought they needed to dump...idk hell if pads and rotors labor ect and an oil change is 1700 (guessing parts is the main deal, with beefy pads and slotted rotors) i can't imagine calipers lines ect all around. With all the karens out there saying i KNOW WHAt i NEED, you'd figure dealers wouldn't try this. Only a 2015 too...could be like another comment said as to just get him into a new car. probably 5 6 7k in ''work needed'' OR we can get you a GREAT trade in.
That's why I always drove a car/SUV/truck that I could work on.
Maybe Porsche needs to reconsider how they treat customers with out of warranty issues. This goes a long way to explaining why these cars have no residual value after the warranty expires. I have never had to do more than pads and rotors on a car with less than 100k miles.
I would never go to a car dealership for repairs and not to even buy a car unless of course it's a new car. I still can't see this Porsche needing brake rotors at only 40K miles?
Wizard, you said there is a special procedure to follow before putting it in the air. How about jacking it up to change a tire or fixing a flat?
Wizard I believe Jeremy said the whole dog pooping line about the Chrysler crossfire. Unless he said it about the panamera too
Clarkson made the "shitting dog" comment about the Chrysler Crossfire.
If the owner has there suggestion in writing, I think they have a lawsuit there. That is some shady dealer.
I still want to see Wizard in a wizard hat, long robe, and a wizard staff. Love the videos Wizard keep em' coming. I really wish there was a car wizard in my area. We have a ton of college trained and apprentice trained mechanics looking for work, but nowhere to find employment. Wizard, if you are looking for new young talent please look at Lake Superior College in Duluth Minnesota.
Another great job.
As I look in the background it looks like the Wizard is going to need, yet another larger shop. Just keep up the good honest work and you will be buying a closed up dealership soon. 👍🏻
Um no. You are wrong. Sometimes depending on cycle of maintenance, you will have to replace hoses. And yes, basic brake maintenance is around $8,500 or more. But this car stops on a dime and those brakes do a lot of work.
Also, you should have replaced all the caliper bolts because once they are removed you cannot re-use them. Furthermore, you need to know how to put the stretch bolt calipers back on calipers when replacing with NEW ONES. Its a porsche, its not a mortals car. It does more than your Malibu. And this car, will not corrode.
You should do a video on that land rover in the background. It looks sweet!
You should see a vw atlas engine bay. On mine there's enough room for 2 people with the engine in.
Really glad you changed your opinion on this car because I really want to buy one. Does the V6 model also have an electronic oil pump or is it just a V8
I thought everybody stopped taking their newer cars to dealer when the warranty runs out.
Dealers ruin the brand name with this selfish theft. A good dealer is worthy of praise but are far and few. I have been mistreated by every dealer of various brands in SoCal. They abor warranty work, break your car under warranty repair, and reduce confidence. But, some customers are complete shit.
VW dealer asked my Atlas rotor & pads to be replaced at 10000kms or 1yr after leasing it for $1000....let wheels fall out😜...no surprises...thats why we subscribe to you guys channel👍
Has anyone ever seen the Wizard so excited on camera? ... nice video and camera work
The room is there, of course, because it's a V6 in an engine bay designed to take a V8. There wouldn't be much room if the V8 was in there.
Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered. I had a similar experience with an RSX once. "I don't care. Here's your $25. Put it back together."
Car repair people should NEVER ,mark up the price on parts, labor should be enough.
$1700 is the price of the entire cars that I buy!!!