this is the most concise, no BS explanation I've seen yet. I wish all YT videos were like this instead of 5-10 minutes of a guy wanting to hear himself talk until he finally gives the 1 minute demo you came for where you still don't gain any knowledge
I upgraded from a kkmulticopter board to a kk 2.0 board and the auto level is amazing. Thanks for explaining the trims, I was trying to trim on my transmitter and was getting no where, flies perfect for FPV now.
Thank for the video. Very quick, easy to understand and straight to the point. Definitely appreciate the explanation. I would love to also see one on height dampening for the kk2 as well. Thanks again!
FINALLY! Finally someone explains what P & I settings ACTUALLY mean and what they do, rather than just telling you what to set them to! Mate, can't thank you enough!! Oh, and also thanks for explaining the ACC trim! My quad does exactly that ALL THE TIME but had no idea how to fix it, since nobody explained what those settings do. Man, you should get paid to write the manual for the KK2 board! Please, if you have time, write up or video a segment on EVERY setting available. Cheers!
I'm in the process of tuning my first quad copter build and this is the first, plain English explanation I could find for all the settings. Good video.
On behalf of all Noob and intermediate flyers I thank you for making something so many people have made complicated, look simple. After much reading and practice I managed to get my acro mode perfect but my auro level has always been rubbish and I couldn't work out why. You video showed me the right way to tune it. You're a genius
flash your ESCs, make sure the axis are coupled, make sure props are balanced, make sure ESCs are all calibrated as described in the instructions or here in one of this guys great videos. My stock turnigy ESCs did ok. My Blue series had to be flashed to get rid of the jitters.
Wow.......i've pretty much just ignored the ACC settings up 7ntil now since its not really listed in anyones initial setup videos for the kk2, but damn it if you didnt make me smack myself in the forehead that it took setting up a gimbal to figure it out.....great simple, concise, & logical explanation for autolevel & acc setups.....THANKS!
I never tried the autolevel ,I get a sk450 by turnigym, after this video my quad is really stable, I even fix the rudder unstable problem, great thanks
Thanks for the great explanation! I previously had totally the wrong idea about autolevel P limit... I thought it was just the denominator in a ratio with the gain. Thanks!
You must have heard me wondering why nobody had explained the way you just did. Thanks for a much better explanation and demonstration of PID settings. I wish you could explain some things about some of the Multiwii GUI functions now.
Fantastic! I am just getting my quad going and when I can formulate a set of questions I will get back to you. Equipment as Follows: Turnigy Talon 550 frame Turnigy 2836 1100KV motors KK2.0 FC board w/v1.2 Qbrain 4X 25 amp ESC Orange 6 channel receiver LiPo 3S 1300 mah power Spektrum DX4e Transmitter Great job with the videos. Regards, Captain David A. Johnson
I really needed this. I have been trying to get some oscillations out of my quad, but I was only working with the pi editor, when I needed to work with auto level adjustments. Thanks and liked.
THANK YOU for the best explanation of P Gains & P Limits. I am currently building a Hoverthings Flip FPV w/ a KK2 and hope to get it up & flying this weekend, thanks to your videos!!
This is exactly the kind of video I need cause I'm looking att building my own quad with the KK 2.0 board and 450mm size frame. Very good information, Thank you :)
cheers for this..... and for information on one of your forum posts where you recommended that the original poster should do a factory reset on his KK 2.0 board, and attempt to fly the quad again.... I followed your info and now my quad flies as sweet as a nut.... cheers buddy...
Thank you soooooo much, I wondered why my quad was very snappy when not in auto-level and then whenever I switched to auto-level, it became very sluggish. P Limit!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!! It's gonna be so much more fun to fly now!!!
I tried stick scaling, bumping the gains higher, putting some negative expo on my transmitter, nothing worked, all this time it was the P Limit hahahahaha I was concerned about the quad not reacting fast enough when I try to stop or change directions very fast, it was very dangerous. Now it will just POP!!!!
I mounted my KK on the F550 frame with vibration insulating foam and velcro, it allows me to have a little 'give' in the vibrations and lets me remove things pretty easy :)
FINALLY!!!! The KK2 Explained!!! This was an Awesome Video, I'm looking forward to dialing im my Tricopter with your Esc's on it. Thanks for this Much Needed Video, looking forward to all of your future Vids!!
great video and explanation have just bought an HJ 450 which the seller dumbed down for me so now i will be able to perk it up abit as i get better at flying it. All this Gain stuff was a total mystery to me until i watched your video i have Subscribed to your channel so hope you will keep posting this sort of information GREAT JOB :)
Great video! Thanks so much.. I followed your suggestions to the letter and my first flight with exactly was great. I tried to fly my quad with the board that came with it and broke the darn thing in half and broke countless props. KK2 board is the answer. You have save the day. Thanks Thanks Thanks
to arm the auto level using the stick, hold your throttle at mid level right, and you other stick to bottom left, The Aux setting is for when you want to assign Auto level to a channel switch, so you do not have to use the above method but this requires a separate channel.
Thankyou very much good sir, I had to go through and change the settings whilst watching the video and then it all made sense - very well explained. cheers Gerald
Great video! I had all but given up on the KK2 because that stuff has made no sense. thanks for the GOOD INFO. NOW... work on that brushless gimble! I am VERY interested!!
Fantastic video, great explanations. I watched hobbykings tutorial and they had the pgain at 100, which gave me the high speed oscillations with the overshoots, would take off well but after 3-4 seconds the wobble kicked in, but thanks to you I actually know what im doing now lol.
I've looked all over for this explanation on the KK2 board, so glad you posted this vid, helps a bunch, thanks! I also question as did "Nathan JR" what about the I settings, mine are at "zero" I'm guessing, that's a NULL setting making it inactive? Thanks agian for sharing Your knowledge..Awesome Vids! :D
Thanks, your kk2 videos are great! Could you do one that shows the history of the f/w. For example, what is the difference between ver 1.5 and 1.6, and explain which menus have changed or been eliminated or added. Also.. When making kk2 board videos please include the boot screen that has the version displayed or note in the title of the video, the version f/w the video is about. thanks again!
P is the primary correctional coefficient. It looks at one moment in time and dials in adjustment of various amplitude based on its "gain" so yes, it can somewhat be considered a sensitivity setting or, how much it's going to correct. Limit is how POWERFUL the P term is, or how much motor power is used to execute the correction (user input has nothing to do with this). A large gain and small limit will make that large gain not very effective. I is a secondary correctional coefficient which looks at current vectors but also takes P into account and makes adjustments over time. The goal of I is to avoid exaggerated adjustments. This can be conceptually thought of as 'when to let go of the gas so as to avoid overshooting your target'; smooths things out. You must tune both P and I to achieve quick, accurate adjustments (typically for acro) because you want P to respond fast and hard but you need I to adjust the correction AFTER it's initially made to avoid the sloppyness of fast and hard. I'm not sure that's all 100% correct, but I just spent a while figuring it out so I hope it helps someone else too.
TheBishonator - a guess on this but since a 4s will weigh more then a 3s it will shift the center of mass and change the flight characteristics of the craft.
i just solved this for my quad. Not sure if you are using 3.5mm bullet connectors but one of those on my front left motor was bad. NOT the solder.. the bullet itself. It was the male end. If the bullet rotates too easily, replace it. Not sure if this applies to you but hope it helps.
I found of later what was wrong. I was using the 'gear'-channel to turn the autolevel function on/off and it turned out that on my radio this switch was also linked to the 'aileron'-channel (I used this radio with an airplane earlier and the grear-switch to turn flaps on/off). When I corrected it everything worked fine, and still does.
Big help man, thank you very muchI So to conclude, is it safe to say 1) acro P&I settings have no influence on flight with self-leveling on, and 2) "I" setting in acro is attempting to hold attitude established by stick input whereas the implied "I" setting in self-level is always just the same as attitude when armed on the ground.....hence no I setting in self-level menu? My lightbulb moment awaits....
When in Acrobat mode, when you tilt forward, and let go of your stick, it continues to go forward, in Auto level mode, it reverts back to flat, or at least to your calibrated position
Yeah, it's tough to say but you could have bad vibrations affecting everything. Your P is too low and too much I can kill your control too. Just set the PI to stock settings and only decrease the AL P gain down. You won't have a snappy autolevel but it shouldn't shake. Flashed ESC's will help a lot too.
Very good and much informative session!!!loved it!!keep going I ve a hk x525 frame, 30 a generic escs, kk2.1.5 FC, batt 4000 amh 3s!!can you pls saggest best appropriate motors for the same? Thanks in adv
Are you getting vibrations? Have you balanced the props and made sure your tail control is nice and tight? I've had the tails shake so bad it causes flips on Tri's before. I'm generally not a huge fan of them for that reason.
Would you go over the 1.6 firmware? There are several versions out and even has "satellite" receiver ability now! yea baby!! (I would do it but your style of teaching works)
A good way to eliminate this problem is to use the voltage sensing of the KK2.0, you will need some basic soldering skills... go google it up on how to use voltage sensing on kk2.0
Hey buddy! Great video, truly helpful for those of us trying to learn how to properly calibrate our crafts!. I have one stupid question... the word "overshoot" keeps popping up and I don´t know what this means, and neither does my common sense like with other words (English is not my mother tongue!) Could you enlighten me as to what "overshooting" actually is? Thanks a lot, cheers from Argentina!
Hello thank you so much for your time making these video ,but i have some problem and i really need help, as I'm new in these hobby !! so I did all calibrations it need to be done and power my remote on first and the kk21. second. ,and motors still won't move , i don't know why !! and I couldn't get self level on its always off ,thank you for your time
Very informative. My problem is that the quad tries to flip over when I'm activating self level. If it's in flight it will promptly tilt and go straight backwards and into ground. If I'm activating selv level while on ground it will try to flip backwards when I'm increasing throttle. Adjusting the trim and P gain/limit doesn't seem to affect this at all. I'm using version 1.5. What can be wrong?
Thank you for a clear, useful explanation
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this is the most concise, no BS explanation I've seen yet. I wish all YT videos were like this instead of 5-10 minutes of a guy wanting to hear himself talk until he finally gives the 1 minute demo you came for where you still don't gain any knowledge
I upgraded from a kkmulticopter board to a kk 2.0 board and the auto level is amazing. Thanks for explaining the trims, I was trying to trim on my transmitter and was getting no where, flies perfect for FPV now.
Thank for the video. Very quick, easy to understand and straight to the point. Definitely appreciate the explanation. I would love to also see one on height dampening for the kk2 as well. Thanks again!
FINALLY! Finally someone explains what P & I settings ACTUALLY mean and what they do, rather than just telling you what to set them to! Mate, can't thank you enough!!
Oh, and also thanks for explaining the ACC trim! My quad does exactly that ALL THE TIME but had no idea how to fix it, since nobody explained what those settings do. Man, you should get paid to write the manual for the KK2 board!
Please, if you have time, write up or video a segment on EVERY setting available.
Cheers!
I'm in the process of tuning my first quad copter build and this is the first, plain English explanation I could find for all the settings. Good video.
On behalf of all Noob and intermediate flyers I thank you for making something so many people have made complicated, look simple. After much reading and practice I managed to get my acro mode perfect but my auro level has always been rubbish and I couldn't work out why. You video showed me the right way to tune it. You're a genius
flash your ESCs, make sure the axis are coupled, make sure props are balanced, make sure ESCs are all calibrated as described in the instructions or here in one of this guys great videos. My stock turnigy ESCs did ok. My Blue series had to be flashed to get rid of the jitters.
I have come back and watched this again and again. Thanks!
This what us noobs needed. A straight forward explanation of how to adjust auto level. Thanks mate:-)
Very clear video, now I understand self level gains in the KK2. Just fixed a bad drift in my micro quad with the accelerometer trimming. Thanks!
Wow.......i've pretty much just ignored the ACC settings up 7ntil now since its not really listed in anyones initial setup videos for the kk2, but damn it if you didnt make me smack myself in the forehead that it took setting up a gimbal to figure it out.....great simple, concise, & logical explanation for autolevel & acc setups.....THANKS!
I never tried the autolevel ,I get a sk450 by turnigym, after this video my quad is really stable, I even fix the rudder unstable problem, great thanks
Thanks for the great explanation! I previously had totally the wrong idea about autolevel P limit... I thought it was just the denominator in a ratio with the gain. Thanks!
You must have heard me wondering why nobody had explained the way you just did. Thanks for a much better explanation and demonstration of PID settings. I wish you could explain some things about some of the Multiwii GUI functions now.
Fantastic! I am just getting my quad going and when I can formulate a set of questions I will get back to you.
Equipment as Follows:
Turnigy Talon 550 frame
Turnigy 2836 1100KV motors
KK2.0 FC board w/v1.2
Qbrain 4X 25 amp ESC
Orange 6 channel receiver
LiPo 3S 1300 mah power
Spektrum DX4e Transmitter
Great job with the videos.
Regards,
Captain David A. Johnson
I really needed this. I have been trying to get some oscillations out of my quad, but I was only working with the pi editor, when I needed to work with auto level adjustments. Thanks and liked.
THANK YOU for the best explanation of P Gains & P Limits.
I am currently building a Hoverthings Flip FPV w/ a KK2 and hope to get it up & flying this weekend, thanks to your videos!!
Thanks Don, I've never seen anyone explain it that well. thanks mike
This is exactly the kind of video I need cause I'm looking att building my own quad with the KK 2.0 board and 450mm size frame.
Very good information, Thank you :)
cheers for this..... and for information on one of your forum posts where you recommended that the original poster should do a factory reset on his KK 2.0 board, and attempt to fly the quad again.... I followed your info and now my quad flies as sweet as a nut.... cheers buddy...
Most excellent explanation. Really helped boost my grasp of auto-level.
You explain things very well... concise and clear. Please keep going.
Thank you soooooo much, I wondered why my quad was very snappy when not in auto-level and then whenever I switched to auto-level, it became very sluggish. P Limit!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!! It's gonna be so much more fun to fly now!!!
I tried stick scaling, bumping the gains higher, putting some negative expo on my transmitter, nothing worked, all this time it was the P Limit hahahahaha I was concerned about the quad not reacting fast enough when I try to stop or change directions very fast, it was very dangerous. Now it will just POP!!!!
I mounted my KK on the F550 frame with vibration insulating foam and velcro, it allows me to have a little 'give' in the vibrations and lets me remove things pretty easy :)
FINALLY!!!! The KK2 Explained!!! This was an Awesome Video, I'm looking forward to dialing im my Tricopter with your Esc's on it. Thanks for this Much Needed Video, looking forward to all of your future Vids!!
great video and explanation have just bought an HJ 450 which the seller dumbed down for me so now i will be able to perk it up abit as i get better at flying it. All this Gain stuff was a total mystery to me until i watched your video i have Subscribed to your channel so hope you will keep posting this sort of information GREAT JOB :)
Excellent explanation. I always wondered about ACC trim. Thank you for sharing!! Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the review/tutorial. That is a very smooth quad you have there. Very cool.
Nice work and explained so that a newbie can understand.
best video iv seen on this subject by far cheers
We all love you man, keep the great educational videos coming.
Great video! Thanks so much.. I followed your suggestions to the letter and my first flight with exactly was great.
I tried to fly my quad with the board that came with it and broke the darn thing in half and broke countless props. KK2 board is the answer.
You have save the day. Thanks Thanks Thanks
to arm the auto level using the stick, hold your throttle at mid level right, and you other stick to bottom left, The Aux setting is for when you want to assign Auto level to a channel switch, so you do not have to use the above method but this requires a separate channel.
Thankyou very much good sir, I had to go through and change the settings whilst watching the video and then it all made sense - very well explained.
cheers Gerald
Thanks, very helpful and to the point. too bad I already read a 20 page documentary on PI controllers to learn about it,
Great video! I had all but given up on the KK2 because that stuff has made no sense. thanks for the GOOD INFO. NOW... work on that brushless gimble! I am VERY interested!!
Fantastic video, great explanations. I watched hobbykings tutorial and they had the pgain at 100, which gave me the high speed oscillations with the overshoots, would take off well but after 3-4 seconds the wobble kicked in, but thanks to you I actually know what im doing now lol.
Now i know how to compensate for my quad backwards drift.. Thanks!!
Great video, very helpful ! many thanks , keep them coming please!
Great video man. Quick to the point and perfect amount of info. Sweet background beats too! Thanks man.
that is referring to the PI settings which are separate from the auto level settings. I'm only talking about the AutoLevel Settings in this video.
Great vid i have a kk2 coming and this really helps.
Super helpful video, thanks a lot!
thaxx bro was searching for this from a long time thaxx alot
THANKS BRO FOR A NICE VIDEO ........THINK IT WILL HELP ME A LOT....
Awesome instructional vid. Thank you. Your kk2 vids have helped me immensely. Cheers bro.
thank you nice video, really easy to understand
nice video......
Have to look and again.....
Thanks a lot
yes, at higer voltage, your motors response quicker, which produce the oscillation
Thank you for you videos.
Keep up good work.
I've looked all over for this explanation on the KK2 board, so glad you posted this vid, helps a bunch, thanks! I also question as did "Nathan JR" what about the I settings, mine are at "zero" I'm guessing, that's a NULL setting making it inactive?
Thanks agian for sharing Your knowledge..Awesome Vids! :D
Thank you so much this was so helpful
Thank you so much! Very well explained!
Thanks for a easy way of putting it for some.All this board needs now which would be nice if it could be done is GPS.
Brother I really like your video and it helps me a lot. Please explain stick scaling settings on KK FLIGHT CONTROLLER. Please brother make a video.
nice vid thanks quick and to the point cheers
Another great video. Keep up the good work. Would you be doing a video on 'height dampening' settings for the KK2?
very good video, nice explanation
Ok great video, but what about the I settings under the P settings
big thanks man you got it right!!!!! keep posting God Bless
Helped loads, thanks.
Thanks, your kk2 videos are great! Could you do one that shows the history of the f/w. For example, what is the difference between ver 1.5 and 1.6, and explain which menus have changed or been eliminated or added.
Also.. When making kk2 board videos please include the boot screen that has the version displayed or note in the title of the video, the version f/w the video is about.
thanks again!
great video and great explanations, have you ever thought of doing a video explaining how to use PI editor adjustments ?
P is the primary correctional coefficient. It looks at one moment in time and dials in adjustment of various amplitude based on its "gain" so yes, it can somewhat be considered a sensitivity setting or, how much it's going to correct. Limit is how POWERFUL the P term is, or how much motor power is used to execute the correction (user input has nothing to do with this). A large gain and small limit will make that large gain not very effective. I is a secondary correctional coefficient which looks at current vectors but also takes P into account and makes adjustments over time. The goal of I is to avoid exaggerated adjustments. This can be conceptually thought of as 'when to let go of the gas so as to avoid overshooting your target'; smooths things out. You must tune both P and I to achieve quick, accurate adjustments (typically for acro) because you want P to respond fast and hard but you need I to adjust the correction AFTER it's initially made to avoid the sloppyness of fast and hard. I'm not sure that's all 100% correct, but I just spent a while figuring it out so I hope it helps someone else too.
Very nice information ✌️
Informative and well done...thanks. I hit like!
Great vid now to put it in to practice
TheBishonator - a guess on this but since a 4s will weigh more then a 3s it will shift the center of mass and change the flight characteristics of the craft.
Thankyou.
Nice and easy
cheers Bud....
i just solved this for my quad. Not sure if you are using 3.5mm bullet connectors but one of those on my front left motor was bad. NOT the solder.. the bullet itself. It was the male end. If the bullet rotates too easily, replace it. Not sure if this applies to you but hope it helps.
This is gold thank you !!
I found of later what was wrong. I was using the 'gear'-channel to turn the autolevel function on/off and it turned out that on my radio this switch was also linked to the 'aileron'-channel (I used this radio with an airplane earlier and the grear-switch to turn flaps on/off). When I corrected it everything worked fine, and still does.
simple easy done thank you
Great work
Jordan, if you are in the UK I will flash it for you if you want. Just cover the postage mate.
Big help man, thank you very muchI So to conclude, is it safe to say 1) acro P&I settings have no influence on flight with self-leveling on, and 2) "I" setting in acro is attempting to hold attitude established by stick input whereas the implied "I" setting in self-level is always just the same as attitude when armed on the ground.....hence no I setting in self-level menu? My lightbulb moment awaits....
Nice one. Thank you. The car on the left has no license number or any company logo? Confusing......
Some states don't require a front plate
When in Acrobat mode, when you tilt forward, and let go of your stick, it continues to go forward, in Auto level mode, it reverts back to flat, or at least to your calibrated position
Nice video!
thank u.... it is very helpful for me =)
Yeah, it's tough to say but you could have bad vibrations affecting everything. Your P is too low and too much I can kill your control too. Just set the PI to stock settings and only decrease the AL P gain down. You won't have a snappy autolevel but it shouldn't shake. Flashed ESC's will help a lot too.
Very good and much informative session!!!loved it!!keep going
I ve a hk x525 frame, 30 a generic escs, kk2.1.5 FC, batt 4000 amh 3s!!can you pls saggest best appropriate motors for the same?
Thanks in adv
Very useful....cheers
Awesome video. Thanks
Are you getting vibrations? Have you balanced the props and made sure your tail control is nice and tight? I've had the tails shake so bad it causes flips on Tri's before. I'm generally not a huge fan of them for that reason.
This is a Talon 2 frame with my RCMC motors and ESC's.
Nicely Done,well informed and presented,I'll be checking your other vids out soon so keep up the good work Sir and Fly Safe Fly Hard Fly Heaps
jcinAuz
hey bro....i would love if you post a step by step video for setting up p and i values within effect on quad stability.
Would you go over the 1.6 firmware? There are several versions out and even has "satellite" receiver ability now! yea baby!! (I would do it but your style of teaching works)
Very usefull video. Liked!
A good way to eliminate this problem is to use the voltage sensing of the KK2.0, you will need some basic soldering skills... go google it up on how to use voltage sensing on kk2.0
THANK YOU!
Finally can get rid of that drift!! could not figure that out...
Hey buddy! Great video, truly helpful for those of us trying to learn how to properly calibrate our crafts!.
I have one stupid question... the word "overshoot" keeps popping up and I don´t know what this means, and neither does my common sense like with other words (English is not my mother tongue!)
Could you enlighten me as to what "overshooting" actually is?
Thanks a lot, cheers from Argentina!
Very good and informative video!! But I've got one question, do you know if the "normal" PI settings matter if you use self/autolevel on KK2.0?
Dude thank you so much!!!
thanks man!! useful info!
Hello thank you so much for your time making these video ,but i have some problem and i really need help, as I'm new in these hobby !! so I did all calibrations it need to be done and power my remote on first and the kk21. second. ,and motors still won't move , i don't know why !! and I couldn't get self level on its always off ,thank you for your time
you made this so much simpler could you go through the pi settings for acro mode in a video please?
Very informative. My problem is that the quad tries to flip over when I'm activating self level. If it's in flight it will promptly tilt and go straight backwards and into ground. If I'm activating selv level while on ground it will try to flip backwards when I'm increasing throttle. Adjusting the trim and P gain/limit doesn't seem to affect this at all. I'm using version 1.5. What can be wrong?