Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water. Thank you KapteinKUK..... Geoff
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol) So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D Thanks for this super duper cool video ;) Thumbs up for your good job Nice scary chicken lol
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
Thanks for the video Rolf Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time? Thanks
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
Note that this quad is NOT in X configuration as most people fly in but rather + configuration. As set up here X configuration would be flying sideways. This shows one advantage of + configuration for setup but I'd run a strong line through quads with round carbon tubes to tie each end to because the round carbon arms are not bolted to the frame and use friction (and in my case a set screw to keep motor arms from rotating I don't want moved) to hold them in so they don't get pulled out... and a safety bottom line to a weight "just in case".
Nice video Rolf, just a general question about pid. If a quadcopter has a large battery crossing the frame from back to front, and is located 5cm under the chasis , so the movement in the roll axis takes more effort, what shoul I do? Increase my P in the roll axis? Decrease it ? Raise the I? Btw I ask this because my batteries have died so I cannot test anything right now.
Det er vanligvis mye støy på signalet fra gyroene. Ved bruk av D-term kommer mye av den støyen ut til motorkontrollen. I tillegg vil konstant støy bare fungere som en demper for P og I gain.
That sound of the chicken can actually damage good speakers if the gain of the amplifier is set too high. But then... I'm on youtube, I should know that could happen.
I am a beginner and not able to fly in acro mode, but I was able to hover my quad in acro mode with default settings in Cleanflight. In angle mode it has shaked violently which forces me to an emergency landing. I had to setup angle/horizon level to 3,0 to make it stable. Default was 9,0. There is still a little bit of wobbling. Should I use Pid tuning in Angle mode or does PID only affect the acro mode?
hi Rolf, I am trying to let a tricopter with KK2 work. after level calibration the trico flies quite fine but after some time it gets unstable. after disarming, if I check the roll and pitch angles they have changed and they are completely different from the refererence (0 deg for both on leveled surface). I have to calibrate again the accelerometers on a leveled surface and the trico starts to fly well for few seconds. do you know which problem is this one? thanks a lot. Andrea
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
If too sensitive to throttle stick should I lower P or I values? I also have issues with sudden rotation around YAW or crazy quick turns for very small YAW adjustment. When adding bigger props it has also some kind of wave effect, lower oscillation but does not have with smaller stock props. I cannot setup channel6 and use the sting tuning stuff at the moment, just connectiong to MP try to change some params write params and test again and feel. (I have my CTUN ThrIn around 740 because of high loadout having a bigger frame also motors having a higher angle tilted to the center with this new S500 frame.)
+FotoAmg AmgFoto turn down your rates. this is separate from the pids. rates change the rate theta changes when you input commands. i hope you figured it out before i commented haha.
To do this in X mode you need to tie a string between the motors and center it accurately. Not as easy to do as in + mode and even in + mode string needs to be in line centered with motor shaft as shown.
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance
That ending was stupid! Very unprofessional! I had just hit the subscribe button, but I don’t think so.
WTF WHY THE GODDAM CHICKEN!
exactly
Old Equipment but still actual. So many pid tune vids out there but this old video is still absolute usable.
Still the best video I have seen when it comes to P and I tuning.
for fuck sake that scared the shit out of me. Even though I was warned..
I`m a bit late saying this but this is the best video on youtube for showing how to set these settings! Well done! Best regards fro the UK
Thanks, great demonstration!
And he DID warn you all about the chicken, it's your fault for not reading descriptions. :)
Great work! The best Video about PID tuning I have seen so far. Will definitely try the single axis on a string method!
Worth watching til the end ;-)
Thank you so much for this. I was struggling with shaky video as well as almost impossible flight characteristics. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Great Demonstration of a multirotor PID assessment and tuning!
Excellent video, this will be going into my favorites to refer back to when I do any PID tuning.
Thanks Kaptein.
Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
RIP headphones.. (damn chicken)..
He tried to warn us about the chicken...
Good vid!
I was watching it for the chicken. What was all that crap in the 7:30 before it? XD
Thank you for the KK2 board! I can fly my first quad with ease! V1.5 auto level works flawlessly and has saved my quad twice! Beware the chicken!
Excellent demo ! appreciated !
7:28, thanks for the nice scare.I think I will have chicken for dinner.
Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water.
Thank you KapteinKUK.....
Geoff
Good idea to bring in an expert at the end, now it all makes sense!
Thank you, exactly what I wanted to know about P & I !
that chicken nearly just gave me a freakin heart attack!!!!!! well done takes a lot to spook me
Very informative. And funny at the end. Thanks.
Finally a guy's 12 yr old video saved my day
Great job! you make it look ease.
Thanks for your work here! The idea with the rubberbands is good! I found the settings while flying , but it wasnt easy... The end was funny :-)
Thanks man. Good visual reference
that mount you made is really useful.
Good vid, loved the chicken.
Excellent Work, thank you!
Best simulation on youtube. Thanks.
J.C. YOU SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+probante same
Great work! thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the demo
Awesome, easy and simple, how it should be.
Thankyou very much....
thanks for the tuning help!
I have my quad tuned pretty fine rigth now, but my chicken is oscillating a little...
Thanks a lot for the vid!
Best vid for kk2 controller. Thanks.
Bloody hell, I frightened myself with that freaking chicken! :)
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
it was awesome video. Thank you so so much
Ain't nuth'n but a chicken wing baby! Startled me a little lol... nice video thanks!
Thank you for your effort.
Peace be upon you
wonderfull
Thank you so much
thanks this video helps a lot
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol)
So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D
Thanks for this super duper cool video ;)
Thumbs up for your good job
Nice scary chicken lol
great video！
Nice tuitorial
you are genius. thanks a lot for this video
Many thanks for the video.
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
Hahahahahaha!!! Thumbs up for the chicken!!
Beware of the ch.. HOMG NO! Good video, looks like my quad and I are looking for some bondage time. ;)
Thanks Rolf. I'd given up on my KK 2.1 board. I'll give it another try with this reference to help.
Chicken was friggin weird. Hope everybody is ok.
Pmsl. Wtf. Damn chicken. Good vid man.
aside from your dumb chicken at the end, this is a very helpful and informative video.
Looking at this video again after a year away from it. My copter is doing some weird stuff and that dang chicken got me again!!!
veeeeeeeery veeeeeeeery good tutorial, you save my cuadrotor to go straight to the trush XDDD
excellent demo
but scared the hell out of me in the end
Thank you!!!
Thanks for the video Obi-Wan (I'm surprised you have the time) and for the KK2 board which has given me hours of entertainmnet. Crashes and all.
Thank you for the vid, very insightful. One question what frame is that.
good vid
Thanks for the video Rolf
Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time?
Thanks
Thanks!
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
nice! thanks
Note that this quad is NOT in X configuration as most people fly in but rather + configuration. As set up here X configuration would be flying sideways. This shows one advantage of + configuration for setup but I'd run a strong line through quads with round carbon tubes to tie each end to because the round carbon arms are not bolted to the frame and use friction (and in my case a set screw to keep motor arms from rotating I don't want moved) to hold them in so they don't get pulled out... and a safety bottom line to a weight "just in case".
Thanks..was wondering about this.
Nice video Rolf, just a general question about pid. If a quadcopter has a large battery crossing the frame from back to front, and is located 5cm under the chasis , so the movement in the roll axis takes more effort, what shoul I do? Increase my P in the roll axis? Decrease it ? Raise the I?
Btw I ask this because my batteries have died so I cannot test anything right now.
love the video. really loved the chicken. can this method be used to tune all axis? Newby to the hobbie. having problem setting my gains.
Good demonstration. The chicken at the end made me have a shit attack though! :-)
rip headphone users :D
good vid
Thks for good vdo . But I have 1 question for sure. I use cc3d board In vdo "I gain" it mean Pid /roll / yaw ? In cc3d . Thank you
Det er vanligvis mye støy på signalet fra gyroene. Ved bruk av D-term kommer mye av den støyen ut til motorkontrollen. I tillegg vil konstant støy bare fungere som en demper for P og I gain.
That sound of the chicken can actually damage good speakers if the gain of the amplifier is set too high. But then... I'm on youtube, I should know that could happen.
Thank you for this super chicken, äh video, it helps me much with mi tricopterprojekt :-)
I like the chicken :-)
Very nice and very educative video !
And what about P limit and I limit ? How to setup them please ?
Skidmarks in my jockey shorts thanks to that damn chicken!!! lol
Good job. Nice video but, not chicken.
farkin chicken
during the single axis tunning the gyro is active or not?
And then what about D gain? During the test D has a exact value or zero?
please read the description before you look - if you want to use your ears in future lol
this is great. i need to build a testing stand. but whats with the "D" ? Can D also be tested using the string method ?
This chicken is scary indeed
That's the scariest shit i have ever seen at the end with the chicken!!!!
Awesome video. Very helpful. Any chance you could talk about the D tunning?
***** aaw damn, I wanted the D..
Great video!!!!! the Chicken got rid of my constipation, and by the way The chicken has --
TO MUCH EYE GAIN HAHAHA hmmmm
I am a beginner and not able to fly in acro mode, but I was able to hover my quad in acro mode with default settings in Cleanflight. In angle mode it has shaked violently which forces me to an emergency landing. I had to setup angle/horizon level to 3,0 to make it stable. Default was 9,0. There is still a little bit of wobbling. Should I use Pid tuning in Angle mode or does PID only affect the acro mode?
you have a nice picture of you at the end.. :)
hi Rolf, I am trying to let a tricopter with KK2 work. after level calibration the trico flies quite fine but after some time it gets unstable. after disarming, if I check the roll and pitch angles they have changed and they are completely different from the refererence (0 deg for both on leveled surface). I have to calibrate again the accelerometers on a leveled surface and the trico starts to fly well for few seconds. do you know which problem is this one? thanks a lot. Andrea
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
WHAT THE FUCK WHY IS THERE A CHICKEN IN A PID TUNING VIDEO LOL THAT ROCKS
lol :-) thanks for info bro..!! :-)
That chicken noise sounds like my wife if i wake her up in the middle of the night.. :)
If too sensitive to throttle stick should I lower P or I values?
I also have issues with sudden rotation around YAW or crazy quick turns for very small YAW adjustment.
When adding bigger props it has also some kind of wave effect, lower oscillation but does not have with smaller stock props.
I cannot setup channel6 and use the sting tuning stuff at the moment, just connectiong to MP try to change some params write params and test again and feel.
(I have my CTUN ThrIn around 740 because of high loadout having a bigger frame also motors having a higher angle tilted to the center with this new S500 frame.)
+FotoAmg AmgFoto turn down your rates. this is separate from the pids. rates change the rate theta changes when you input commands. i hope you figured it out before i commented haha.
chris wang i did autotune also but did not help, got terrible vibration on video and had to revert autotuned pids
I assume that you fly your quad in X mode, but when you do the string setup, are you then switching it to + mode? Or do you stay in X mode?
To do this in X mode you need to tie a string between the motors and center it accurately. Not as easy to do as in + mode and even in + mode string needs to be in line centered with motor shaft as shown.
Har du noen gang laga vanlig heli eller multicopter med auto stabiliserer?
What about D? For some reason if I keep "I" value at 0, and only configure P and D values everything is alright, "I" for me is useless.
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance