Metallica: The Memory Remains (Helsinki, Finland - May 9, 2018)

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  • Filmed at Hartwall Arena in Helsinki, Finland on May 9, 2018.
    © 2018 Blackened Recordings
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 878

  • @jordantalks77
    @jordantalks77 6 років тому +1198

    that ending was seriously insane

    • @adamtwelve
      @adamtwelve 6 років тому +49

      Jordan Talks right?? The band was like "oh, you guys like that? Encore!"

    • @MrZmake
      @MrZmake 6 років тому +39

      Best version EVAR! Been listening on repeat ever since I saw it!

    • @HOOT247
      @HOOT247 6 років тому +35

      That riff James was playing sounded dope

    • @xxxgames4458
      @xxxgames4458 6 років тому +16

      I like how the end was a pink rock type of ending, this band could really play lots of music styles. They have serious talent or did till...

    • @xxxgames4458
      @xxxgames4458 6 років тому +1

      Punk

  • @MetalGuitarTV
    @MetalGuitarTV 6 років тому +1478

    THE BEST HEAVY METAL BAND OF THE WORLD!!!!

  • @bruceprophet8367
    @bruceprophet8367 6 років тому +605

    Loving the new ending to Memory Remains 🤘🤘

    • @valvf9443
      @valvf9443 6 років тому +34

      Yeah! It's fucking awesome!

    • @EthanHarris795
      @EthanHarris795 5 років тому +6

      I am hoping that a new song is born from this jam

  • @wet_mulch2328
    @wet_mulch2328 6 років тому +456

    I feel like Rob doesn't get enough recognition, he was very good here, vocal wise, and he is always beast with the bass no matter what song.

    • @facundoquiroga2868
      @facundoquiroga2868 6 років тому +8

      Bowl of Pasta he didnt do vocals jason has already done 20 years ago. sorry for bad english 😁 anyways i’m glad that the band sounds like this. It kick ass 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

    • @wet_mulch2328
      @wet_mulch2328 6 років тому +4

      Facundo Quiroga what I meant was that people say Rob's vocals suck, but they aren't, I kinda messed up a little.

    • @facundoquiroga2868
      @facundoquiroga2868 6 років тому +14

      Bowl of Pasta np bro! I agree with you! But he used to suck At backing vocals. I will argue that with anyone. I’ll give the credit he deserve though ‘cause he improved a lot

    • @wet_mulch2328
      @wet_mulch2328 6 років тому +7

      Facundo Quiroga exactly, we need more people like you and me, who can accept change.

    • @peoplevsradio317
      @peoplevsradio317 6 років тому +16

      Rob's vocals are much better than they were a year ago all of the Doodles seem to really be helping.
      Rob is one of the greatest bass players of all times he is a monster on bass I love the doodles and his vocals are improving tremendously.
      There's about 6 haters for everything Metallica does but anybody paying attention knows that Rob is killing it right now

  • @sicjes1
    @sicjes1 6 років тому +254

    We are the luckiest fans of the best band ever. It is our destiny...

    • @vannacee26
      @vannacee26 6 років тому +6

      sicjes1 A GREAT time to be alive and fortunate enough to be of the generation(s) that have been able to share this particular time period with this killer band. There's a reason for this, indeed. 👊

    • @elkju666
      @elkju666 5 років тому +3

      @@vannacee26 Year afer, you said it. Damn it I was there and it was so intense! Now hope Het gets well and we're able to see this kind of performance again right? Love the outro also!!

    • @jkorkea
      @jkorkea 3 роки тому +1

      Kinda cringe ngl, sure they're good but damn

    • @therealikitclaw8124
      @therealikitclaw8124 7 місяців тому

      ​@jkorkea god forbid, someone's passionate about a great thing.

  • @johnredmond8173
    @johnredmond8173 6 років тому +94

    Best version ever.That extended jam at the end is amazing.

  • @rac50172015
    @rac50172015 3 роки тому +58

    4:33 the wordless communication.. lars makes eye contact with Kirk, then with Rob & after that sweet slide he locks on with James from way off and they both give a head nod then proceed to just work! This is an understanding of your team that is nearly impossible to duplicate.

    • @AutumnDecena
      @AutumnDecena Рік тому +4

      Should I be smiling, it's time.

    • @ChristopherMcLarenExperience
      @ChristopherMcLarenExperience Рік тому

      But eye contact to do what? Lars starts playing and they follow his drums as normal, what do you mean?

  • @armageddontv5457
    @armageddontv5457 6 років тому +182

    Kirk's guitar in this song is so good

    • @FBooker
      @FBooker 5 років тому +3

      Armageddon TV I think you mean James’s. He’s the one killing it

    • @Ballslover33333
      @Ballslover33333 3 роки тому +1

      If Kurt get a new guitar let’s hope he doesn’t fill it up with urine

    • @BillyK6
      @BillyK6 2 роки тому +1

      wah wah wah wah!!! wah wah?

    • @redcityyy
      @redcityyy 10 місяців тому

      @@wk.6900 wah...

  • @PiedPipers78
    @PiedPipers78 6 років тому +80

    IMO there's nothing more fun to watch than a band having fun themselves

  • @jotafernandez519
    @jotafernandez519 6 років тому +88

    I think that this song for James is easy to sing, because he tries to transmmit a lot of energy to the tallica family, and sing and play without problem, and he did amazing

  • @pad9x
    @pad9x 6 років тому +332

    when you see how poorly Guns N Roses have aged, you really appreciate how awesome 2018 Metallica really is 👍🏼

    • @TheSharter
      @TheSharter 6 років тому +18

      I go to a lot of shows and by far the 2 best shows I went to last year was Metallica (Petco Park) and Guns and Roses (The Forum). Not a huge GNR fan but appreciate their music. I couldn't believe GNR didn't have a opener for the show I went to. They rocked it for a little over 3 hours barely breaking.

    • @AM-xq4rm
      @AM-xq4rm 6 років тому +6

      Sons Of Arkham who opened for tallica?

    • @peoplevsradio317
      @peoplevsradio317 6 років тому +17

      gb997 no need to tear down another band to illustrate your love for another band. I actually saw Guns and Roses last year and they were really very good. I never quite understand the need for people to insult 1 in order to prop up another.. and beyond that there are dozens of bands they have not even survived or not even capable of touring right now.

    • @TheSharter
      @TheSharter 6 років тому +2

      A M when we got there I was surprised to see Mix master Mike on the stage doing a set. Then a band called Gojira? I think that's what they were called played. Then Avenged sevenfold

    • @pety1245
      @pety1245 6 років тому +5

      gb997 remember when James almost burned to deth 😢 and axl didn’t save the moment...

  • @ValentinTheMad
    @ValentinTheMad 6 років тому +183

    Yesssssss, always happy to hear something from the Loads played live. Still waiting for a performance of Prince Charming though

    • @knotletis
      @knotletis 6 років тому +24

      Valentin The Mad I’ve been waiting sooo long for The Unforgiven II

    • @ValentinTheMad
      @ValentinTheMad 6 років тому +18

      They did play it in 97 and 2015 I believe, but yeah, it's a great song and it should be played more often.

    • @damjanp7920
      @damjanp7920 6 років тому +23

      I just wanna see them play Devil's Dance. They only did it a few times unfortunately

    • @krisztianszabo1030
      @krisztianszabo1030 6 років тому +6

      Damjan P Yeah it's a much better song than Fuel or The Memory Remains!! Devil's Dance should be played more often!

    • @marvwetbandit
      @marvwetbandit 6 років тому +9

      Charming, Devils, Bitch, 2x4 , Bad Seed, Revange or Savage need to be played

  • @saideeazam9326
    @saideeazam9326 2 роки тому +43

    Always give me a goosebumps when the crowd singing together

  • @syarifnur12
    @syarifnur12 6 років тому +14

    That crowd WOOO HOOO HOOO OOO HOO parts are the most beauty part of this song.

  • @dot6102
    @dot6102 6 років тому +353

    They're still soooo fucking good!!

    • @Housedebend
      @Housedebend 6 років тому +17

      Michael M they are not good they are awesome

    • @Housedebend
      @Housedebend 6 років тому +13

      Taylor Cox they are not gods they are gods of a gods

    • @Housedebend
      @Housedebend 6 років тому +3

      JustJoshingYT haha lol

    • @egebarlas6551
      @egebarlas6551 6 років тому +18

      House.de. bend They are not gods of gods. They are Metallica.

    • @Housedebend
      @Housedebend 6 років тому +3

      Ege Barlas absolutly

  • @wesleyklomp8705
    @wesleyklomp8705 6 років тому +140

    ASH TO ASH, DUST TO DUST, FADE TO BLACK \M/

  • @nikolaypingarov
    @nikolaypingarov 6 років тому +100

    Love the new ending! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @AdoreYouInAshXI
    @AdoreYouInAshXI 3 роки тому

    When a member of Metallica passes away the world will have lost something precious.

  • @СлаваСтрельцов-ь6ч
    @СлаваСтрельцов-ь6ч 6 років тому +180

    I LOVE METALLICA!!! IT'S MY F#CKING LIFE...

  • @EricStuart59
    @EricStuart59 6 років тому +40

    THE NEW END OF MEMORY IS SO GOOD!!!!

  • @zamp6969
    @zamp6969 2 роки тому +6

    Damn I could feel that energy through my phone and just watching

  • @jacylaranjeira8280
    @jacylaranjeira8280 3 роки тому +12

    Metallica has always helped me to overcome the difficult times

  • @EthanHarris795
    @EthanHarris795 4 роки тому +25

    The end is so epic. 4:31 - 6:17. Can you imagine an album with this level of quality. songs all on par with SOTB.

  • @wwhite4538
    @wwhite4538 2 роки тому +12

    Best finish to memory remains, you just want more & more, what a feeling listening, can only imagine what the metallica family felt being there.

  • @sebbyplayz0049
    @sebbyplayz0049 Рік тому +7

    Hearing the crowd complete the lyrics in the intro is spine chillingly awesome. I would love to be able to experience this in my lifetime

  • @Braydendebelleval
    @Braydendebelleval Рік тому +4

    The ending >>>>

  • @TheMetallicaGirl
    @TheMetallicaGirl 6 років тому +14

    That crowd + the little jam at the end! WOW!!! 🖤🤘❤

  • @GAMNGgeek
    @GAMNGgeek 6 років тому +11

    This song is always great live, the crowd always makes it truly something special

  • @danielnadales
    @danielnadales 6 років тому +108

    The memory reamains goes metal... Love the new ending!

  • @fernandomireles822
    @fernandomireles822 6 років тому +8

    The ending could be a song by itself. Love it

  • @matthewroberts3125
    @matthewroberts3125 6 років тому +20

    Great performance, especially the ending!!

  • @RockVanKaban
    @RockVanKaban Рік тому +1

    They age like fine wine...

  • @erikarnald419
    @erikarnald419 6 років тому +5

    This song was meant to be played live! Goosebumps!

  • @sammyhanuka982
    @sammyhanuka982 6 років тому +46

    Bruh Kirk is sounding so confident here

  • @rrajatbbrar
    @rrajatbbrar 6 років тому +13

    3:34 This moment is amazing. Only metallica can bring this. HAIL METALLICA

    • @Analintruder
      @Analintruder 4 місяці тому

      Hihetetlen ! Bárcsak ott lettem volna .... 🤘🤘🤘 i listening everyday and i feel better from everything , Metallica till we die !!!!❤🎉😂

  • @evanwear5887
    @evanwear5887 4 роки тому +2

    Fuck. The audience singing Marianne Faithfull’s part gives me the biggest chills every time. Probably one of my favorite live recordings, plus the ending fucking rocked.

  • @MetalED
    @MetalED 6 років тому +10

    Love the way they came back into it after the "solo crowd" section! Crazy shit man,these guys keep getting better and better pushing 40 years on!! Keep it up,boys!

  • @2013venjix
    @2013venjix 2 роки тому +2

    James: Fortune, fame Mirror, vain Gone insane But the.....

  • @facelessandnameless
    @facelessandnameless 6 років тому +5

    One of my favorite Metallica songs! So underrated!

  • @keithiejoy
    @keithiejoy 6 років тому +53

    "The Memory Remains"
    Fortune, fame
    Mirror vain
    Gone insane
    But the memory remains
    Heavy rings on fingers wave
    Another star denies the grave
    See the nowhere crowd, cry the nowhere tears of honor
    Like twisted vines that grow
    That hide and swallow mansions whole
    And dim the light of an already faded prima donna
    Fortune, fame
    Mirror vain
    Gone insane...
    Fortune, fame
    Mirror vain
    Gone insane...
    But the memory remains
    Heavy rings hold cigarettes
    Up to lips that time forgets
    While the Hollywood sun sets behind your back
    And can't the band play on?
    Just listen, they play my song
    Ash to ash
    Dust to dust
    Fade to black
    Fortune, fame
    Mirror vain
    Gone insane...
    Fortune, fame
    Mirror vain
    Gone insane...
    Dance, little tin goddess
    Na-na-na...
    Drift away
    Fade away
    Little tin goddess
    Ash to ash
    Dust to dust
    Fade to black
    Fortune, fame
    Mirror vain
    Gone insane...
    Fortune, fame
    Mirror vain
    Gone insane...
    But the memory remains
    Ash to ash
    Dust to dust
    Fade to black...
    But the memory remains, yeah
    To this faded prima donna yeah, yeah, yeah, hey
    [Solo]
    Dance, little tin goddess, dance
    Na-na-na...
    [spoken:]
    Say yes
    At least say hello
    Say yes
    At least say hello
    Writer(s): James Alan Hetfield, Lars Ulrich

    • @muhamedemara1596
      @muhamedemara1596 3 роки тому

      What means by dance little godess dance

    • @keithiejoy
      @keithiejoy 3 роки тому +1

      @@muhamedemara1596"little tin goddess" is a goddess of film. Referring to the little tin, the small film canister, that film reels are stored in.

    • @user2j3ycg4df
      @user2j3ycg4df Рік тому

      Thanks for the lyrics, Keith. One of my favorite songs. Really appreciate it.

  • @luisd.navarretec.5404
    @luisd.navarretec.5404 6 років тому +53

    Nanananananananana, nananananananana!

  • @PETSOKOFTIS
    @PETSOKOFTIS 5 років тому +3

    The memory of this performance will remain for sure!!! Long live metallica

  • @maryclara1082
    @maryclara1082 3 роки тому +1

    Hail Metallica, I would have died out of happiness had i been a part of that crowd

  • @roddigga34
    @roddigga34 6 років тому +2

    When you look at when they started touring again in 2016 and the videos that have came out in their most recent concerts in '17 and '18, you can tell that ALL the band members are becoming more polished, James' vocals are prime. Kirks' guitar skills are on POINT, Rob on the bass is as good as ever and Lars had it all together! It's cool to see them get better as the videos progress chronologically

  • @1203jjt
    @1203jjt 6 років тому +1

    This is one of the best recent metallica performances I've seen. They crushed that song.

  • @killerpeaches7
    @killerpeaches7 6 років тому +1

    so 27 people (so far) are still in denial that life went on after 1986........... Love the new ending bit. Such a great return to the riff, then turning into a high octane jam. Been following you guys for 33 years now.. and hope to be listening to all this stuff in 33 more years....

  • @KingBoneezee
    @KingBoneezee 6 років тому +1

    By far the best recording of this song

  • @forestofoctober4688
    @forestofoctober4688 6 років тому +4

    James ❤❤❤ what an amazing voice !!

  • @LuisGarcia-mg6fq
    @LuisGarcia-mg6fq 6 років тому +4

    The ending!!! Omg you guys need to do that in all your comcerts from now on!! Thank you so much for all your amazing music creation 🙏❤

  • @gokhanatan3481
    @gokhanatan3481 2 роки тому +2

    Sona ekleme yapılmış ve gerçekten efsane olmuş Teşekkürler ...

  • @sjsjsjsj6139
    @sjsjsjsj6139 Рік тому +1

    i just love metallica

  • @pabloberdini8302
    @pabloberdini8302 Рік тому +2

    Amo a todo el publico de METALICA .Que esta ay!!!!!

  • @deathtoallandalltodeath7748
    @deathtoallandalltodeath7748 6 років тому +1

    Nice addition to one of my favorite songs from METALLICA!!!

  • @mordorskull
    @mordorskull 2 роки тому

    Metallica's fan in Finland sharing our love for them!! ❤️❤️

  • @Gilly-bean
    @Gilly-bean Рік тому +2

    wow that outro after the chant!!

  • @Tisso1989
    @Tisso1989 6 років тому +3

    this is the best live play ever of this song!

  • @arkadyvyatchanin9063
    @arkadyvyatchanin9063 6 років тому +11

    I'm impressed how Kirk is playing his solos these days. 🤘🏼

  • @pety1245
    @pety1245 6 років тому +4

    Kirks guitar and the public interraction is just INSANE!

  • @cryx5920
    @cryx5920 5 років тому +1

    METALLICA FOREVER

  • @NickKovalevski
    @NickKovalevski 6 років тому

    Metallica-this is one of the most beautiful things and miracles of light, existing in our world.

  • @Ninjango1983
    @Ninjango1983 6 років тому +2

    It’s like they made the ending up on the spot when the crowd was into it. Awesome.

  • @tifisurminecraft
    @tifisurminecraft 2 роки тому +3

    The BEST performance of this song! The Finnish Tallica Familly is on fire! 🔥🔥🔥
    And who could forget that final improvisation, so f*ing epic!!!!!

  • @BRO77TX
    @BRO77TX 5 років тому

    The take this song all over the world, and every language remains the same...
    “But the memory remains”
    Just beautiful!!

  • @meguto
    @meguto 3 роки тому

    After all those years without listen them, when they became dignified mature men, i became the one who enjoy their music. Still their past performances in 90's or early 2000's looks troubled teenagers to my eyes but right now, they are "awesome". i am happy to see they got inner serenity.

  • @venomau5speedz
    @venomau5speedz 2 роки тому

    Mate of mine sent me a audio clip from the Manchester show he went to and my god the intro was practically yelled at James! So good 😄🤘😊

  • @ChristopherVilleda-v1z
    @ChristopherVilleda-v1z Рік тому +3

    Lars timing at the end is fucking legendary

  • @olegverizhenko
    @olegverizhenko 6 років тому +3

    Wow !!! 😍 I thought I would never see Metallica's band at the concerts. And yet, the songs are old, better than new ones.🎵🎵🎵🙂👍👍
    Seraphim Oleg.

  • @ricardomm6535
    @ricardomm6535 6 років тому

    me (and i think everyone) wanna thank METALLICATV 4 doin this, uploading all this HD stuff its priceless . thank you a lot i mean it.. we are wating for this for years.

  • @mtb717
    @mtb717 2 роки тому +1

    I’m 16. I love Metallica! Hello from Ukraine

  • @emiliae6460
    @emiliae6460 3 роки тому +1

    Ihan huippu. The best. Kiitos Helsingin yleisö ja Metallica. Thank you Helsinki and Metallica 🤟😻

  • @zombiecanfuckinfly
    @zombiecanfuckinfly 5 років тому

    That crowd singing.. Maybe i have too sensitive soul, but everytime i hear that, i wanna cry. Amazing.

  • @Ignite619
    @Ignite619 3 роки тому +1

    That ending gives me chills to this day.

  • @grnfridaygrn8456
    @grnfridaygrn8456 6 років тому

    The entirety remains. Voice, musical expertise, world wide enthusiasm. They simply have no peers.

  • @peristerimono5186
    @peristerimono5186 3 роки тому

    Beautiful,it s a great feelling when people taking part in the show

  • @AStupidTourist
    @AStupidTourist Рік тому +2

    3:10 what a high that must be to hear the crowd in unison ❤

  • @peoplevsradio317
    @peoplevsradio317 6 років тому

    The most Interactive fan-friendly band going. It's amazing that Metallica seems to understand social media more than a lot of the newer acts coming out

  • @simhiggins2338
    @simhiggins2338 4 роки тому

    literally get chills every single time I hear this live. I saw them in Gothenburg in 2015 and still get goosebumps

  • @bobekgergo967
    @bobekgergo967 6 років тому

    was so nice to listen this song and Kirk solo ... was a pleasure to my ears !!! They sound awesome here

  • @MOHAMAD-bi5ig
    @MOHAMAD-bi5ig 5 років тому +1

    Great performance/sounds.. Amazing ending.. long life Metallica and rock on... warm Greetings from Malaysia's...🙏🙏🙏

  • @Stropitor
    @Stropitor 6 років тому +1

    everything, literally, sounds sooo good

  • @denyfixe1000
    @denyfixe1000 Рік тому +2

    THE ENDING IS PERFECT

  • @dagmarramgad5441
    @dagmarramgad5441 5 років тому

    I wish people in the states were still as passionate about metal as they were in the rest of the world.

  • @Mitaleko
    @Mitaleko 2 роки тому +2

    The ending part is so awesome

  • @hadesgamer7779
    @hadesgamer7779 4 роки тому +1

    One of my faves! This song gets better with Metallica’s age

  • @metfan4l
    @metfan4l 6 років тому +236

    *MORE LOAD & RELOAD*

    • @brendanfreed7850
      @brendanfreed7850 6 років тому +2

      Triple M this^

    • @slaytallicadeththrax4547
      @slaytallicadeththrax4547 6 років тому +8

      Uh...why? Lol. Reload sure, but Load? No thanks lol.

    • @AlonGoloyad1
      @AlonGoloyad1 6 років тому +9

      SlayTallica DethThrax Why? Amazing and undereated album.

    • @juanrezende4914
      @juanrezende4914 6 років тому +11

      SlayTallica DethThrax Load is better than ReLoad

    • @dupersuper6516
      @dupersuper6516 6 років тому +2

      SlayTallica DethThrax dude they're the same album

  • @bowbert23
    @bowbert23 Рік тому +2

    Damn, I wish they would play this every time Memory Remains ends. It's such a shame they don't do this more often, but maybe that's why it's so memorable in this video. :)

  • @sigori4672
    @sigori4672 5 років тому +8

    You can hear the crowd loved that intro

  • @Leinox50
    @Leinox50 6 років тому +84

    Cant wait till next years european tour!

    • @Khamûl0fTheEast
      @Khamûl0fTheEast 6 років тому +4

      Curakao there will be an european tour next year ?

    • @Leinox50
      @Leinox50 6 років тому +6

      toxic- jäger yes outdoor gigs in may-august

    • @krisztianszabo1030
      @krisztianszabo1030 6 років тому +1

      toxic- jäger I hope so. I missed them this year😒

    • @Khamûl0fTheEast
      @Khamûl0fTheEast 6 років тому +5

      Moth Sandman ive never been on a concert of them :( ,im a fan since im seven years old but never got tickets

    • @krisztianszabo1030
      @krisztianszabo1030 6 років тому +2

      toxic- jäger Same here man... It's a shame, but I hope someday I can say "I was there" when I watch some of these videos on Yt! Now.. I'll have to wait 'til the next european tour!😳

  • @multiestonian
    @multiestonian 6 років тому +3

    Holy shit, that ending was soo niiiiice. Damn they are one talented group.

  • @mariaOk117
    @mariaOk117 6 років тому

    Yeah! They did it))) after they improvised with this song in tuning room last year i hoped to hear smth like that on stage....'m so grateful)))

  • @Hyperkona_isanta
    @Hyperkona_isanta 6 років тому +3

    I would say it was once in a lifetime-experience🤘 Thank you metallica!!

  • @Dr_1212
    @Dr_1212 Рік тому +2

    Ash to ash
    Dust to dust
    Fade to black
    😎🤘

  • @EthanHarris795
    @EthanHarris795 5 років тому +8

    The new ending is crazy good.

  • @ultimateplayer406
    @ultimateplayer406 6 років тому +2

    I was at second show of Helsinki, it was amazing, looking forward to 2019 tour🤘

  • @teknofil007
    @teknofil007 6 років тому +1

    Yes best metal band and be that fore many years. No other band play like Metallica. I se them In Oslo Norway some days before this concert my second Metallica concert. Them will play fore some more years. Fantastic band.

  • @olikas1000
    @olikas1000 6 років тому

    Must be so amazing hearing an entire arena chanting one of your melodies \m/

  • @Claudio_Cr
    @Claudio_Cr 6 років тому +1

    A perfect song to be played live ... and this time sounds f#cking great

  • @Rigzen07
    @Rigzen07 6 років тому +1

    Greatest heavy metal band of all time

  • @theoutlawtorn
    @theoutlawtorn 3 роки тому +1

    Hetfield's guitar tone is just wow... I can't even imagine how killer was hearing his guitar with 90's tone...

  • @jericksanchez9164
    @jericksanchez9164 6 років тому +2

    METALLICA es lo maximoooo ,,,, la mejor banda de todos los tiempos,, yeeess!!!!!!