I know this is a dead thread but - I totally agree 👍 I used to talk smack about binaries, I have an actual SMG, then I tried it. It isn't about simulating full auto, it is about faster follow ups. I tried my buddy's, I would hit one steel on the pull, the other on the release. Sped up "splits" and was just all round awesome!
@Ten_Mil_Will I have a registered Thompson and an MP40. Which are both quite fun for proper full-auto. But I've been really loving the binary triggers for the MP5, too. Like you said, it's different. It's not about mag dumps and spray-n-pray like the autos tend to be. Binary is great for quick/effortless double taps and fast splits, though. I also love the ability to do a quick 1...2,3,4 with just a pull then then quick release-tap-release. I've been using it in a century AP-5p/MP5K, it's fun, but in a slightly different way than traditional full-auto.
@1lovesoni I just ran a few more mags through mine in binary. I like the thing more, every time I run it. The more used to it i get, the more effective it gets. Side note - that "Turk" is the shit, right? I had both options available to me: (1) H&K SP5 or (2) MKE made Century AP5p. I went with the Century for 2 reasons: (1) it is more authentic, 2 pin lower, actual milspec (2) MKE's history. I love the damn thing. I don't know about yours but mine eats wtvr I feed it with a smile. A str8up work horse that never chokes. Oh, I took my daughter to the range and gave her a Ruger Charger 8" with a binary trigger. She actually did not like it, switched it back to single shot. I was like "OH.... that must be what they mean when they say they are non binary?" 😁 GenX Dads can be embarrassing.
@@Killmonize Online, but you MUST register the gun in it as an AOW before you can put the mp5k in it. Requires a $200 tax stamp and special approval from the government. Arms Unlimited had them for $2500 for just the briefcase
@@GriffXJ Any clue about if you already have a stamp for your gun? I've seen machine guns in the briefcase. Presumably you don't need an AOW and a machine gun stamp on the same gun. I have an SBR stamp for my MP5. Its legal to take the stock off your SBR and shoot it with a front vertical grip, which is technically an AOW. So is there any reason you couldn't put the SBR in the briefcase as an AOW?
Im sorry for the dumb question. But I'm thinking about getting the hk 22lr mp5 and want to know if it accepts a binary trigger. Im conflicted by this video, and first time he shoots the gun in the case looks like 9mm casings. But the second time he shoots it looks like 22lr Can you explain
Im sorry for the dumb question. But I'm thinking about getting the hk 22lr mp5 and want to know if it accepts a binary trigger. Im conflicted by this video, and first time he shoots the gun in the case looks like 9mm casings. But the second time he shoots it looks like 22lr Can you explain
I think the reason you don't get Hammer follow is because in binary mode the hammer is caught lower for the second shot so it has to travel further to make contact with the firing pin so that may be why.
Drew Dman the speed it dependent on the shooter. This was my first time using it so I was not used to the trigger. Go look at my IG account @solscud007 there is a video looking up at me shooting the MP5K. It is pretty quick.
I really think this is more of a supply/demand issue. They can ask for a lower price for an AR trigger simply because there are more people that own ARs.Not too many MP5, clones, and varions out there.
Quite expensive for a trigger that is only a hair bit better than the stock trigger. I guess the slight increase and ability to switch it to the third position is worth it for some folks.
@@bellaphone5719 dude I'm so peanut butter and jelly I'm gonna look into these. I did awhile back and seen a bad review.. what's your take on the gun??? They look SICK
You wont get hammer follow on teh mp5 because it has a safety sear preventing the hammer from dropping until the bolt is closed unlike the ar15 or ak47 semi autos.
It takes getting used to. I have gotten used to it now. Check my IG account @Solscud007 and you will see a new video comparing unsuppressed and suppressed MP5K.
That Zenith lower appears to have pictograms on the housing. It’s my understanding the BFS only works in SEF trigger packs. I’d really like a pictogram style of housing to use with my Vector V53 and a BFS. Is that a special SEF housing with pictograms added or can you make the BFS work with an original HK pictogram housing?
st4b nah. That’s just a side effect of that particular round. I’ve seen similar things with semi auto shotguns. It also has to do with shooting semi auto fast.
@@Solscud007 just to be safe, you do mean bursts for serious use? I’m looking to possibly make an invasion in one and want to know, I really don’t don’t want to get it if it’s just a range toy thing. Thanks
@@Solscud007 So you didn't have to do anything special. because my T91 bolt is alittle shorter than the M16 Milspec Bolt. I haven't had time to test my T91 upper with my BFS3 trigger yet.
Actually the Franklin Armory rep was right. It takes getting used to. Go check my IG account @Solscud007 and there is a recent video comparing unsuppressed and suppressed with binary mode. It is pretty quick.
Why not learn how to double-tap a single stage trigger? This is no faster, and even a bit slower, than a decent 3gun setup. Such a waste of money and ammo for a range toy.
I actually rewatched the video and just now noticed that he was using full sized MP5 and not the K model in the beginning of the video. In that case he should have slapped it like it owed him money.
It is true. Go out and see if you can find one used for les than $4k. Also there was an nib one that sold for $13k on gunbroker recently. These are pre ban rifles that will never be made. Collectors item. Your sig is a dime a dozen
If my Sig is a dime a dozen then why can't you afford one.? HK will keep value but it is an old outdated gun while my MPX is the new modern version of the MP5. In 10 years my MPX will have barrel conversion kits to shoot multiple calibers. Let alone the fact it is an SBR and you even admit that current conditions may change the legality of items like those only makes my gun more rare and valuable. However, I will never sell this gun and the reason I chose it over an MP5 ,which I could have purchased, is that I only buy guns made in the USA. It is just a matter of principal for me, something you may not know much about. @@ericriddell2852
In ten years your sig will be obsolete and forgotten and in ten years the mp5 will be obsolete but not forgotten. Can’t afford It lol. How do you know what I can’t afford? Considering I have an hk 94 sitting around you can only imagine what else I have
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I actually like the idea of a 2 round burst more than full auto.
Thats how i use mine in my ar 2 round is thoughtless i feel like trying to sim full auto while staying on target is just a no go worse than bumpfire
Correct, bursts are more practical than full auto
I know this is a dead thread but - I totally agree 👍 I used to talk smack about binaries, I have an actual SMG, then I tried it. It isn't about simulating full auto, it is about faster follow ups. I tried my buddy's, I would hit one steel on the pull, the other on the release. Sped up "splits" and was just all round awesome!
@Ten_Mil_Will I have a registered Thompson and an MP40. Which are both quite fun for proper full-auto. But I've been really loving the binary triggers for the MP5, too. Like you said, it's different. It's not about mag dumps and spray-n-pray like the autos tend to be. Binary is great for quick/effortless double taps and fast splits, though. I also love the ability to do a quick 1...2,3,4 with just a pull then then quick release-tap-release. I've been using it in a century AP-5p/MP5K, it's fun, but in a slightly different way than traditional full-auto.
@1lovesoni I just ran a few more mags through mine in binary. I like the thing more, every time I run it. The more used to it i get, the more effective it gets. Side note - that "Turk" is the shit, right? I had both options available to me: (1) H&K SP5 or (2) MKE made Century AP5p. I went with the Century for 2 reasons: (1) it is more authentic, 2 pin lower, actual milspec (2) MKE's history. I love the damn thing. I don't know about yours but mine eats wtvr I feed it with a smile. A str8up work horse that never chokes. Oh, I took my daughter to the range and gave her a Ruger Charger 8" with a binary trigger. She actually did not like it, switched it back to single shot. I was like "OH.... that must be what they mean when they say they are non binary?" 😁 GenX Dads can be embarrassing.
love the briefcase
Just sucks you have to register the weapon as an AOW then
Were can u get briefcase
@@Killmonize Online, but you MUST register the gun in it as an AOW before you can put the mp5k in it. Requires a $200 tax stamp and special approval from the government. Arms Unlimited had them for $2500 for just the briefcase
@@GriffXJ thank you for response
@@GriffXJ Any clue about if you already have a stamp for your gun? I've seen machine guns in the briefcase. Presumably you don't need an AOW and a machine gun stamp on the same gun. I have an SBR stamp for my MP5. Its legal to take the stock off your SBR and shoot it with a front vertical grip, which is technically an AOW. So is there any reason you couldn't put the SBR in the briefcase as an AOW?
That briefcase😱😱😱😍😍😍
Thank you for saving me 600 dollars. I got the AR-15 version and you're correct
Just got my trigger. Love it
Im sorry for the dumb question. But I'm thinking about getting the hk 22lr mp5 and want to know if it accepts a binary trigger.
Im conflicted by this video, and first time he shoots the gun in the case looks like 9mm casings. But the second time he shoots it looks like 22lr
Can you explain
Im sorry for the dumb question. But I'm thinking about getting the hk 22lr mp5 and want to know if it accepts a binary trigger.
Im conflicted by this video, and first time he shoots the gun in the case looks like 9mm casings. But the second time he shoots it looks like 22lr
Can you explain
I have a real love for spy movies and that briefcase is SO COOL!!!
Cool Clone of an actual HK MP5.
That’s gonna be called a “Assault Briefcase”
I think the reason you don't get Hammer follow is because in binary mode the hammer is caught lower for the second shot so it has to travel further to make contact with the firing pin so that may be why.
On their web sight the MSRP IS like $700 WTF I really like the trigger but it’s not fast enough for $700.
Drew Dman the speed it dependent on the shooter. This was my first time using it so I was not used to the trigger. Go look at my IG account @solscud007 there is a video looking up at me shooting the MP5K. It is pretty quick.
I really think this is more of a supply/demand issue. They can ask for a lower price for an AR trigger simply because there are more people that own ARs.Not too many MP5, clones, and varions out there.
With practice I’d say you can speed up, bursts really are more practical than spray and pray. That cadence and speed seems acceptable to me.
Quite expensive for a trigger that is only a hair bit better than the stock trigger. I guess the slight increase and ability to switch it to the third position is worth it for some folks.
Exactly, and if you ever go work at a gun shop/ range your eyes will really be open. then you'll want to go home and pour acid into them.
That’s is sick bro I got the Ptr51 today cheers
Sick gun you got man!!!! I like them a lot! Needs a stock and some kinda trigger pack tho😉
@@geoffnelson64 it came with the butt stock ab3 all I need is a sure fire hand guards cheers 🍻
@@bellaphone5719 dude I'm so peanut butter and jelly I'm gonna look into these. I did awhile back and seen a bad review.. what's your take on the gun??? They look SICK
Very nice guns. Love the case.
Nice no nonsense review, minus the Tactical case ;-)
You wont get hammer follow on teh mp5 because it has a safety sear preventing the hammer from dropping until the bolt is closed unlike the ar15 or ak47 semi autos.
Sum-Ting Wong sum ting not wong with the MP5 then lol
Very cool
Would you recommend this trigger pack?
Absolutely
@@Solscud007 the Navy pack or the binary?
@@mattwalters6834 yes
Good video. It's a shame that the RoF is slower on the MP5. Their promotional video (the MP5 portion) showed the guy ripping rounds a lot faster.
its not as fast but i think its easier to stay on target then the ar15 one. also nice not having any hammer follow i can do 30 rounds in under 5 secs
It takes getting used to. I have gotten used to it now. Check my IG account @Solscud007 and you will see a new video comparing unsuppressed and suppressed MP5K.
Solscud Dude, I searched and watched that video and I am quite impressed to see that suppressed makes it run faster! That was badass!
Cody Kwasniak yeah I think the increased backpressure from the suppressor speeds up the bolt cycling making it cycle faster.
you can tell the difference between somebody used to a binary and a newbie.
Runs much smoother with 124 gr ammo that will fix the cadence issue!
That Zenith lower appears to have pictograms on the housing. It’s my understanding the BFS only works in SEF trigger packs. I’d really like a pictogram style of housing to use with my Vector V53 and a BFS. Is that a special SEF housing with pictograms added or can you make the BFS work with an original HK pictogram housing?
lynyrd65YT the lower on the Zenith is still an SEF lower. It was made in the US and was only $11. But I can’t find them anymore.
Solscud Thanks, I’ll keep an eye out for one on the used market
lynyrd65YT what you need to look for are the indentations on the left side of the lower for the SEF selector detent.
Thinking about putting one in my PTR91,, but they are too expensive to make a snap decision. Demo the trigger pack for me if you can.
Yo homie that my briefcase?
The briefcase is cool, but makes your pistol into an illegal AOW. You can use the briefcase on an AOW, SBR or Machinegun.
i think the roller lock is slower in general, than the AR or AK systems.
Not if you suppress it. The K cycles really fast.
Hey what handstop/fingerstop combination do you have on here?
@2:04 big flash at the port…
Buddy, the operational briefcase is cool, but you've got to have a transferable for that :-)
False. Bare minimum it needs to be an AOW. SBR works and of course MG is legal too.
@@Solscud007 I think he just meant it would be cooler with a transferable
Ok James Bond...😆
Which handguard/light option are you running?
Will I need a tax stamp to buy/own a binary trigger?
What mount is on the MRO ? Also what pic rail?
I like that hand guard set up with the light on the full size. What is it fren?
That is a Laser Devices handguard. The company was bought out by Steiner but they discontinued that handguard.
@@Solscud007 dang. Thanks for the response.
What forearm/light is that? I like the drop, looks like you can run a suppressor no prob with that one.
It is made by Laser Devices aka Steiner. Yes it lowers the light to accommodate suppressors. The Surefire ones don’t.
@@Solscud007 I would have been wrong.
Looks like it fires out-of-battery at about 2:03?
st4b nah. That’s just a side effect of that particular round. I’ve seen similar things with semi auto shotguns. It also has to do with shooting semi auto fast.
Do you know if this fits the 22LR mp5 HK came out with ?
No. It only fits K not full size
Is this the 22 lr or 9mm sp5
Would you consider the binary system a real use feature or a novelty?
Definitely useful for putting two rounds on target quickly.
@@Solscud007 thanks, I’ll consider that using bursts for serious use; bursts really more practical than just straight up full auto.
@@Solscud007 just to be safe, you do mean bursts for serious use? I’m looking to possibly make an invasion in one and want to know, I really don’t don’t want to get it if it’s just a range toy thing. Thanks
@@mattwalters6834 yes. For close range use it is easy to get two rounds quickly on a small target.
@@Solscud007 thanks
How did you get your T91 Wolf Upper to run with the BFS3?
sugarland77478 the T91 is just a piston driven AR upper. It can work with any AR trigger.
@@Solscud007 So you didn't have to do anything special. because my T91 bolt is alittle shorter than the M16 Milspec Bolt. I haven't had time to test my T91 upper with my BFS3 trigger yet.
sugarland77478 not sure what you mean by shorter. It should work fine.
@@Solscud007 the part of the bolt that would trip the auto sear is just alittle shorter than a Milspec m16 bolt.
@@Solscud007 also do you have the anti-tilt bolt for the T91?
is it worth it? Worth the money?
Yes
"ROF not as fast" these vids are killing the sales. $700 for this POS? I suppose I'd like one for the guaranteed double tap, but $300 tops.
Actually the Franklin Armory rep was right. It takes getting used to. Go check my IG account @Solscud007 and there is a recent video comparing unsuppressed and suppressed with binary mode. It is pretty quick.
I have a couple of SP5Ks and a Zenith. Sure, the take-up is huge on a stock MP5 trigger. They can fix that. I will check out your IG.
Why not learn how to double-tap a single stage trigger? This is no faster, and even a bit slower, than a decent 3gun setup. Such a waste of money and ammo for a range toy.
Ya not for $700 bucks though if it’s that slow
Would it work in a gsg
KelvinCatoSoGreato no
Ask for an I'd play Chris brown
Will it work with zenith model
Yes. The MP5 with FDE brace is a Zenith.
Solscud did it take any modifications to make it fit?
Solscud and also is that the original zenith lower?
FNS ON THE HIP!! No modification. No it is not the factory lower.
Solscud any idea if it will work in the original zenith lower?
Lol you’re slapping the trigger
Not a fan of the slap?
Excalibur01 I have the sp5k and honestly it's kinda hard to do with an optic on. I use the same technique he does.
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The K model has the shorter handguard and an optic would get in the way a bit
I actually rewatched the video and just now noticed that he was using full sized MP5 and not the K model in the beginning of the video. In that case he should have slapped it like it owed him money.
You can do the slap but technically your supposed to just flick it down with your thumb
Something ain’t right bro.
I can double tap almost that fast and save a whole bunch of money.
I think it's pretty cool, but honestly it's a waste of money to me.
Weak fingers
Would rather run a bumpstock BUT I think Trump is banning them shortly.
Beltfedshooters in Florida. They already banned bump stocks and binary triggers :’(
@@MrRiaenonly a matter of time til they start banning other shit. You cant even find zeniths anymore. At least not on their website. All sold out.
more than $3,000 spent and no last round bolt hold open. I'll stick with my Sig MPX SBR
difference is in ten years your MPX will be worth $1000 and hard to sell and this mp5 will be worth $10,000 and easy to sell.
@@er98ah keep fooling yourself into thinking that is true, what a joke.
It is true. Go out and see if you can find one used for les than $4k. Also there was an nib one that sold for $13k on gunbroker recently. These are pre ban rifles that will never be made. Collectors item. Your sig is a dime a dozen
If my Sig is a dime a dozen then why can't you afford one.? HK will keep value but it is an old outdated gun while my MPX is the new modern version of the MP5. In 10 years my MPX will have barrel conversion kits to shoot multiple calibers. Let alone the fact it is an SBR and you even admit that current conditions may change the legality of items like those only makes my gun more rare and valuable. However, I will never sell this gun and the reason I chose it over an MP5 ,which I could have purchased, is that I only buy guns made in the USA. It is just a matter of principal for me, something you may not know much about. @@ericriddell2852
In ten years your sig will be obsolete and forgotten and in ten years the mp5 will be obsolete but not forgotten. Can’t afford
It lol. How do you know what I can’t afford? Considering I have an hk 94 sitting around you can only imagine what else I have