Thanks!! I wish I had unlimited ammo to do more everyday. I did just order more Federal American Eagle 124 grain that was cycling my MP5SD as fast as I could pull and let go of the trigger. I’m thinking about getting some 40 round mags too, so stay tuned 💥
Gladly! I ve never shot a mp5k you describe difference in recoil and handling of it? Which model do you prefer? Which one would you buy first? Do you really like the binary triggers? Or they just for fun?
@@caseysmith8831 I really like the looks, feel of the rubber handguard and ability to make Nato 124 grain ammo subsonic with the MP5SD, especially right now with prices of subsonic ammo. It’s definitely the last gun I’d ever sell. (It might take some time to get one as Omega isn’t offering a MP5SD pistol with fake suppressor anymore.) I got my TPM Outfitters as a factory sbr off of Gunbroker. It sounds great without ear pro. With faster ammo, the binary trigger is sweet on it! A few hiccups here, but the Federal ammo was shooting as fast as I could pull and let go of the trigger. I bought my MP5K first. It was available when not many MP5’s were being made years ago. I like the compact design. As an sbr, it handles nicely, especially with the vertical front grip. It really helps with such a small package. The rear notch drum sight is a bit harder to acquire a picture through than the rear drum peep sight of the MP5SD or MP5N. I’m going to get a Shield SMS2 installed on it to help. I want to keep the cowitness. (Century Arms has a few options with this sight already installed.) I’ve tried higher sights and don’t like looking through the front sight hood or going way high and having a chin instead of cheek weld. So far so good with the 100 degree locking piece too even though an 80 degree is recommended for the MP5K when shooting subs suppressed. A binary trigger in this is worth it too. Machine gun fast with supers, but it does cycle slower with subs though. The MP5N is a great length to do it all. The 100 degree locking piece in here covers all types of ammo and suppressors. I outrun the rate of fire with the binary trigger fairly easily, even with supers. A good amount of hiccups when shooting fast. Fun, but more of a novelty for it. Recoil feels the same with all types of 9mm and all MP5’s. Of course having them all sbr’s and suppressed is best :)
It sure was! I’ll be doing more videos with the MP5SD and MP5K in binary mode. It’s worth buying one especially for them. I’m glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for subscribing and everything else 👊🦾
Great content. I have 2 questions if that’s cool. With subs, is the k louder than the regular size? And 2nd, if I got the k or Zf5p should I upgrade something from stock to run subs better? Thank you!
Thanks! They are very close in sound when using the same suppressor, but the regular size is a bit quieter because of the extra volume in the barrel length and the distance of the end of the suppressor away from your ears. The normal MP5 locking piece is 100 degrees and it will cycle subs and supers fine with it suppressed and unsuppressed. The MP5K usually comes with a 110 degree locking piece, but it’s recommended to run an 80 degree locking piece to keep the rollers engaged longer (chamber closed) running heavier subsonic rounds like 147 grain and up when suppressed. My bolt gap was pretty far out of spec with a RCM 80 degree locking piece, so I switched to a German 100 degree and it seems to be working fine suppressed and unsuppressed. (No roller marks in the receiver yet from extra pressure.) Really, the locking piece and according rollers are the only thing you need to pay attention to; keep the bolt gap between .010 and .020. The roller lock system is fantastic for subsonic rounds because of the extra dwell time from the rollers letting most of the sound out through the suppressor before the bolt cycles so you don’t get ejection port sound like in other operating systems. I’m glad you’re getting into the roller lock family! What can do you have or do you plan on getting?
Thank you I appreciate your feedback! I was considering getting the Zf5p, k clone with the Franklin binary due that model appearing to have the more rapid cyclic rate in comparison to the longer versions. Also, I am 5 months in, waiting on an omega 9k suppressor I am looking to run on the tri lug. It sounds like I can’t have both fast cycling with the Franklin, and optimal sound reduction with the slower unlock 80 degree. However I am still leaning toward the Zf5p k clone because I have yet to acquire an sbr. Any thoughts are appreciated Thank you!
@@Isaacbway faster ammo definitely helps the cyclic rate to increase. As close to the sound barrier with subsonic ammo as you can. About 1050 fps, but that number changes with elevation, barometric pressure, temperature, humidity etc. For supersonic ammo, TPM Outfitters recommends Federal 124 grain AE9AP for my MP5SD which go 1150 fps, Nato speed. I have some 9mm ammo that is 124 grain that goes 1185 fps and helps it to cycle even quicker, but I have limited rounds and can’t find it for sale anymore. There’s stuff out there between the two and some 115 grain and others that go faster :)
Did you ever decide on an mp5 yet? I see you put this up last year. I got a zenith zp5k about 8 months ago and runnin a GSL phoenix suppressor. I love the little thing, had a bit of a break in but I got it right, I never swapped rollers in mine seems to still be runnin great.
@@tylertapp131 Not yet, I’d like the sp5 pdw but the price went back up, if it ever gets to back 2500. But a good Glock and training covers the bill while I wait
It started with a standard 115 degree locking piece for use without a suppressor and lighter 115 or 124 grain supers. I use a German 100 degree locking piece because I’m shooting suppressed with 124 grain subs and heavier 147 and 165 grain subs and the bolt gap tolerance is very close with -8 rollers. I bought a RCM 80 degree locking piece originally, but the bolt gap was so far out of spec, I couldn’t get it close enough with the -8 rollers. Regular MP5’s use the 100 degree for everything and are less finicky.
I wish it could take a binary trigger! I’ve got a GSG 522 pk sbr and a GSG 5p sbr, but the trigger packs are different than a normal MP5 trigger pack. I asked Franklin Armory years ago if they could make a GSG version, but they couldn’t say for sure. It takes years to develop and I don’t think there’s enough demand to make one. It would be awesome with those 110 round drums!
Great question! I did buy the K first because I liked it’s style the most. The full size can run all types of ammo with the 100 degree locking piece and has more stock options which are more comfortable. The rear peep sight in the full size is better for quicker target acquisition than the notch in the K, although I just installed a sweet cowitness dot on the K and will be making a video on it soon. (Still pondering getting one for the others.) The K for being compact and the binary rate of fire. The N for all around purposes; no locking piece changing for different ammo types and the good ergonomics I’d say.
I think probably the Century AP5 with Shield SMS2 at Atlantic Firearms is the best deal going. My Shield SMS was a little over 400 to have milled to fit and install. I love the finger groove housing it has. I prefer the wide hand guard instead of the one that it comes with, but those are cheap and easy to find. Cheap stocks and ready to sbr and suppress :)
You’re right, they’re all awesome! It’s great that binary triggers can pass a Federal machine gun law. I’ve always wanted one but can’t afford it. It’s fun just flipping these to the third position :)
@@RangeToyz I own a PTR-9c and a Zenith Z5RS (AP5). Paid off my card, first thing I bought for em' to share. I own a PTR-9kt and a Zenith Z5k (AP5-m). Paid off my card again, second thing I bought them to share. All this waiting on a Dead Air Wolfman for em' all (except for one) to share. I get nice things for my kids. Semper Fi.
@@johnroper3077 that’s a great collection! Roller locks suppress so nice at the muzzle as well as the ear. It’ll be awesome when the Wolfman comes home. You’re a family man!
I appreciate you looking out for me. These targets have a 20 degree hanger with springs that deflect bullet fragments downward. If I didn’t have it, you’re right, I should use frangible ammo. I made a video a while back about all my metal targets if you’re interested ua-cam.com/video/AKX1oqsxKSQ/v-deo.htmlsi=JJYRoxC0kAh9fCvM
Videos always short and straight to the point with the coolest guns. Keep ‘em coming
Big thanks!! I’ve got one in the works I’m trying to finish up within a few days so stay tuned :)
the little K sounds so good
What a cool video! Why a blast!
Thanks!! I wish I had unlimited ammo to do more everyday. I did just order more Federal American Eagle 124 grain that was cycling my MP5SD as fast as I could pull and let go of the trigger. I’m thinking about getting some 40 round mags too, so stay tuned 💥
Gladly! I ve never shot a mp5k you describe difference in recoil and handling of it? Which model do you prefer? Which one would you buy first? Do you really like the binary triggers? Or they just for fun?
@@caseysmith8831 I really like the looks, feel of the rubber handguard and ability to make Nato 124 grain ammo subsonic with the MP5SD, especially right now with prices of subsonic ammo. It’s definitely the last gun I’d ever sell. (It might take some time to get one as Omega isn’t offering a MP5SD pistol with fake suppressor anymore.) I got my TPM Outfitters as a factory sbr off of Gunbroker. It sounds great without ear pro. With faster ammo, the binary trigger is sweet on it! A few hiccups here, but the Federal ammo was shooting as fast as I could pull and let go of the trigger. I bought my MP5K first. It was available when not many MP5’s were being made years ago. I like the compact design. As an sbr, it handles nicely, especially with the vertical front grip. It really helps with such a small package. The rear notch drum sight is a bit harder to acquire a picture through than the rear drum peep sight of the MP5SD or MP5N. I’m going to get a Shield SMS2 installed on it to help. I want to keep the cowitness. (Century Arms has a few options with this sight already installed.) I’ve tried higher sights and don’t like looking through the front sight hood or going way high and having a chin instead of cheek weld. So far so good with the 100 degree locking piece too even though an 80 degree is recommended for the MP5K when shooting subs suppressed. A binary trigger in this is worth it too. Machine gun fast with supers, but it does cycle slower with subs though. The MP5N is a great length to do it all. The 100 degree locking piece in here covers all types of ammo and suppressors. I outrun the rate of fire with the binary trigger fairly easily, even with supers. A good amount of hiccups when shooting fast. Fun, but more of a novelty for it. Recoil feels the same with all types of 9mm and all MP5’s. Of course having them all sbr’s and suppressed is best :)
fancy footwork!
Thanks dude 🦾 This old man, semi fat frame still likes to boogie 🪩
Looks like lots of fun
It sure was! I’ll be doing more videos with the MP5SD and MP5K in binary mode. It’s worth buying one especially for them. I’m glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for subscribing and everything else 👊🦾
Great content. I have 2 questions if that’s cool.
With subs, is the k louder than the regular size?
And 2nd, if I got the k or Zf5p should I upgrade something from stock to run subs better? Thank you!
Thanks! They are very close in sound when using the same suppressor, but the regular size is a bit quieter because of the extra volume in the barrel length and the distance of the end of the suppressor away from your ears. The normal MP5 locking piece is 100 degrees and it will cycle subs and supers fine with it suppressed and unsuppressed. The MP5K usually comes with a 110 degree locking piece, but it’s recommended to run an 80 degree locking piece to keep the rollers engaged longer (chamber closed) running heavier subsonic rounds like 147 grain and up when suppressed. My bolt gap was pretty far out of spec with a RCM 80 degree locking piece, so I switched to a German 100 degree and it seems to be working fine suppressed and unsuppressed. (No roller marks in the receiver yet from extra pressure.) Really, the locking piece and according rollers are the only thing you need to pay attention to; keep the bolt gap between .010 and .020. The roller lock system is fantastic for subsonic rounds because of the extra dwell time from the rollers letting most of the sound out through the suppressor before the bolt cycles so you don’t get ejection port sound like in other operating systems. I’m glad you’re getting into the roller lock family! What can do you have or do you plan on getting?
Thank you I appreciate your feedback! I was considering getting the Zf5p, k clone with the Franklin binary due that model appearing to have the more rapid cyclic rate in comparison to the longer versions. Also, I am 5 months in, waiting on an omega 9k suppressor I am looking to run on the tri lug. It sounds like I can’t have both fast cycling with the Franklin, and optimal sound reduction with the slower unlock 80 degree. However I am still leaning toward the Zf5p k clone because I have yet to acquire an sbr. Any thoughts are appreciated Thank you!
@@Isaacbway faster ammo definitely helps the cyclic rate to increase. As close to the sound barrier with subsonic ammo as you can. About 1050 fps, but that number changes with elevation, barometric pressure, temperature, humidity etc. For supersonic ammo, TPM Outfitters recommends Federal 124 grain AE9AP for my MP5SD which go 1150 fps, Nato speed. I have some 9mm ammo that is 124 grain that goes 1185 fps and helps it to cycle even quicker, but I have limited rounds and can’t find it for sale anymore. There’s stuff out there between the two and some 115 grain and others that go faster :)
Did you ever decide on an mp5 yet? I see you put this up last year. I got a zenith zp5k about 8 months ago and runnin a GSL phoenix suppressor. I love the little thing, had a bit of a break in but I got it right, I never swapped rollers in mine seems to still be runnin great.
@@tylertapp131 Not yet, I’d like the sp5 pdw but the price went back up, if it ever gets to back 2500. But a good Glock and training covers the bill while I wait
I could not hear what locking piece was used and why with the MP5k
It started with a standard 115 degree locking piece for use without a suppressor and lighter 115 or 124 grain supers. I use a German 100 degree locking piece because I’m shooting suppressed with 124 grain subs and heavier 147 and 165 grain subs and the bolt gap tolerance is very close with -8 rollers. I bought a RCM 80 degree locking piece originally, but the bolt gap was so far out of spec, I couldn’t get it close enough with the -8 rollers. Regular MP5’s use the 100 degree for everything and are less finicky.
I’ve got a Gsg h&k do you think the binary trigger would work for it ?
I wish it could take a binary trigger! I’ve got a GSG 522 pk sbr and a GSG 5p sbr, but the trigger packs are different than a normal MP5 trigger pack. I asked Franklin Armory years ago if they could make a GSG version, but they couldn’t say for sure. It takes years to develop and I don’t think there’s enough demand to make one. It would be awesome with those 110 round drums!
Ok so if I got a mp5 22lr they would have a binary for it ?
@@phillipnorman9497 sorry no. The only MP5’s that work are 9mm, .308/7.62x51, 7.62x39, 5.56/.223 and the rare 300 blackout versions.
Such beauties!!
Thanks :) These dream guns came true with binary triggers 💙
Good video buddy 👍 #mp5gang
Thanks my friend 🦾 It was really fun to make 😁
Frag grenade saves load's of fucking about lol
I wish there was a chalk version :)
If you could only have 1. Full size or K model?
Great question! I did buy the K first because I liked it’s style the most. The full size can run all types of ammo with the 100 degree locking piece and has more stock options which are more comfortable. The rear peep sight in the full size is better for quicker target acquisition than the notch in the K, although I just installed a sweet cowitness dot on the K and will be making a video on it soon. (Still pondering getting one for the others.) The K for being compact and the binary rate of fire. The N for all around purposes; no locking piece changing for different ammo types and the good ergonomics I’d say.
I think probably the Century AP5 with Shield SMS2 at Atlantic Firearms is the best deal going. My Shield SMS was a little over 400 to have milled to fit and install. I love the finger groove housing it has. I prefer the wide hand guard instead of the one that it comes with, but those are cheap and easy to find. Cheap stocks and ready to sbr and suppress :)
Oh my goodness
Heck yah! Do you have a MP5 or are you getting one now?
@@RangeToyz I have the .22 baby but the big brother is next lol
Nice! I have two GSG MP5 sbr’s in 22LR and wish there was a binary trigger for them.
They're all suppressed. They'll all cycle fast.
You’re right, they’re all awesome! It’s great that binary triggers can pass a Federal machine gun law. I’ve always wanted one but can’t afford it. It’s fun just flipping these to the third position :)
@@RangeToyz I own a PTR-9c and a Zenith Z5RS (AP5). Paid off my card, first thing I bought for em' to share. I own a PTR-9kt and a Zenith Z5k (AP5-m). Paid off my card again, second thing I bought them to share. All this waiting on a Dead Air Wolfman for em' all (except for one) to share. I get nice things for my kids. Semper Fi.
@@johnroper3077 that’s a great collection! Roller locks suppress so nice at the muzzle as well as the ear. It’ll be awesome when the Wolfman comes home. You’re a family man!
Aww man I wished it says variant or clone
Neat
Be careful shooting steel that close
I appreciate you looking out for me. These targets have a 20 degree hanger with springs that deflect bullet fragments downward. If I didn’t have it, you’re right, I should use frangible ammo. I made a video a while back about all my metal targets if you’re interested ua-cam.com/video/AKX1oqsxKSQ/v-deo.htmlsi=JJYRoxC0kAh9fCvM
Nice video, audio could be better. Thank you.