Never had an issue with a Bergara Action or barrel, I have however seen multiple issues with the stocks and or action/stock fitment. Resolving those issues with either a proper bedding or high quality chassis has always been the solution for me.
I’ve got a B-14 Wilderness Sierra in 22-250, 20” 1:9 twist that shoots consistent 1/2-3/4” with factory Hornady NTX ammo. It’s my newest B-14 which is why I’ve mentioned it. But all of my other 4 Bergara rifles shoot the same with various factory loads and handloads in 6.5PRC, .223, .243, and 7-08.
I have a 6.5CM that didn’t shoot. After spending a lot of money on trying to find a factory load and running a bunch of combination of hand loads, I finally decided to replace the barrel with a pre-fit, but I had trouble sourcing one due to the conical bolt face.
I had a brand new b14, within two shots the rifling in the last two inches of barrel was completely gone. Sent it in for warranty and what did they go, cut the end of the barrel off shortening it instead of doing the right thing and putting a new barrel on. I'll never own another POS bergara.
@@RecreationalSniper most people would probably be satisfied with this, however it is pretty common these days for of the rack barrels or factory barrels to shoot consistently smaller than this.
Buy a 1k dollar rifle, and get thousand dollar accuracy. Buy a 1k dollar barrel on the other hand and make a cheap gun shoot as good as a full custom one. This is my experience. I just put a custom barrel on a Ruger American, and it went from a .5-.75 minute rifle to a .25-.5 minute rifle with hand loads and factory ammo.
I picked up a B14 Hunter last year. The barrel is pretty thin and it is intended (by me) to be a hunting rifle so 3/4 inch groups are perfectly acceptable as a hunting rifle. I've tried 5 bullets and four powders so far. Best repeatable 5-shot group was 0.610 inches or so at 100 yards using a 155 ELDM and X-Terminator powder. Best hunting load was a 0.617 5-shot group using 150 Pro Hunters and IMR4064. Other than these two combinations I usually see 3/4 inch to somewhere slightly less than 1 MOA with my Bergara at 100 yards.
Thats about normal, ive sold tikkas, bergaras, rugers, mossbergs, howas etc all shoot about 1 moa. Its a factory rifle they can be very bullet fussy even when handloading, had a tikka that shot everything over an inch, tried about 20 different boxes and some handloads then found an old obscure box of 35gr 22-250 and shot .2s for the customer. Its just part of a bigger mass production no rhyme nor reason as the barrels look fine.
Tracks with my experience with same rifle. I noticed asymmetrical copper fouling lingering there towards the muzzle. Had similar issue. 0.75-1.0” with its fave load….and for me that was serviceable. Bergara’s premier line in same configuration shoots everything 0.5” and has a much more crisp throat and fire cracking pattern for same round count.
Getting .25 moa out of my 7PRC and 180 Hybrids with N568 powder. Zero accuracy issues with my 6.5 CM and also running .25 moa. Both at 100 yards but carry 1/2 moa out to 600 plus
I had two Bergara Ridges in 7mm-08. Didn't like any factory ammo and the only bullet it shot consistently sub-moa was the 140gr Sierra Match King which is impossible to find. Since I got rid of them, Sierra now has the 140gr TGK available.
Just a heads up. That barrel is over polished. I'm guessing you clean with abrasives frequently and it looks like you might be overdoing it a bit. IOSSO and JB Bore brite(red) are more prone to causing this. JB Blue bore paste seems to be the best for removing fouling but not polishing the barrel steel. The steel should look clean and have some shine but a very light grey as opposed to a mirror finish. The reason for this is that at a certain point when the finish becomes too smooth and friction actually increased between two polished surfaces. In this case the sheer forces between the surfaces increases and the softer metal will sheer off and deposit on the harder metal. Basically it will cause significantly faster and more copper fouling. This will end up lowering barrel life because it just becomes too difficult to clean and the excessive fouling reduces accuracy. Once this starts to happen it's a feedback loop as additional fouling needs additional cleaning which causes more polishing. Good way to avoid it is to use the JB blue paste and figure out what the minimum amount of strokes gets the gun clean without overpolishing. Also avoiding running the bore paste the full length of the barrel for the entire cleaning session as generally 90% of the fouling is in the first 6-8" of barrel so you can just short stroke that portion clean so that you aren't running the paste on steel that's already free of fouling and polishing it. Never apply bore paste directly to the brush(copper or nylon) as it creates a slurry with the fouling and paste which accelerate wear and polishes very quickly. I know that unsolicited advice on youtube can be annoying but I am just trying to be helpful and impart some knowledge I've gained over the years shooting benchrest, F-CLASS and gunsmithing.
@@RobsReloading Ah. Generally that happens over time with abrasives. I still clean to bare metal every time in my comp guns and learned the hard way about the issue myself a while ago.
Bergara b 14 hmr here. 130 horn eldm and magpro powder. 10 shot groups at 3/4 groups. Removed stock and cleaned pillers that were over sprayed with paint and tourqed to 60 in pounds. Bullet seating depth makes a diffrence. Did it ever shoot better? 1500 rounds is a bit..
I think its some thing they do during the button rifling process. My b14 barrel on my 6.5 creed made it 700 rounds and then it would foul up to the point where I had to clean it every 10 rounds. Ironically, I re-chambered it with a bergara blank that was hand-lapped, and I have not ran into the same issue.
About average for factory production barrel. Chuck it in your lathe dial the rifling in and checkout the chamber runout. After that without an air gauge you can’t really investigate much more. Brownells had some deals on Douglas barrels recently spin one of those up you’ll be happy. Cheers
Under a Moa , seems very acceptable for a production rifle, but you didn’t say that I heard, if that’s with factory or hand loads, maybe you need to check bullet jump ?
Rob, mine is exactly like yours shooting wise. Although not as many rounds on it. I’d be real interested to see how square the action is. Thanks for posting.
I've got a Bergara HMR Wilderness in 6.5 Creed, and I've never really gotten it to shoot better than 1 MOA consistently. I took that as pretty decent for a factory rifle. It hates Hornady factory ammo though...2 moa minimum. It'll get rebarreled or sold someday.
I had a similar experience. Factory ammo does not shoot, 1.25- 2 moa, 147eldm a little better. Hand loads shoot, if I seat them way past mag length. Jump is incredibly far.
I have the B 14 HMR in 300 PRC and the B 14 HMR premier in 6.5 Creedmoor with handloads both will achieve sub half MOA. But not easily. Then I have a criterion pre-fit that 6 Creedmore shoots almost anything sub half MOA. So I’m sure Bergara makes a good amount of great BARRELS and maybe some aren’t so great. Anybody that is subscribed knows that you are a good shooter so it’s definitely not the shooter it’s the barrel but my experience is I really loved my Bergara rifles until I built a cheapish custom, which is now my favorite.
I had a bergara 6.5 prc. I ended up trading it in on a Remington 700 long range 7mm prc. The bergara was terrible in the accuracy dept. 3 to 4 inch groups consistently
Guessing bore diameter and rifling uniformity and consistency issues not visible to a scope or naked eye, probably deforming the projectile enough to cause inconsistent flight characteristics. Things that only precision GD&T measuring instruments would reveal. The bore finish isn't terrible, that shouldn't be an issue necessarily.
I had a b14 6.5 creedmoor it shot really well 1/4moa with a few bullets but the barrel was really really slow I could never push it above 2650fps tried 4 different powders but it is damn accurate
I have a CVA Accura LRX (bergara barrel) that has given lots of accuracy headaches. I've seen plenty of posts from other people with sub-MOA groups. I've shot dozens of groups with various bullets, BH209 and Triple7. Precisely weighed charges. I shoot sub 1/2 to sub 2/3 MOA groups pretty regularly with my cheap savage Axis so it's not that I'm a shit shot. NOT A SINGLE SUB MOA GROUP. Not one. Ever. Plenty of groups around 1.5 MOA. I shot through two bottles of BH209 chasing my tail trying to get something sub MOA. Bought triple 7 because I was sick of being gouged only to get mediocre accuracy, picked the bullet I wanted to run (290 TMZ), loaded ~110 gr equivalent charge, got 1.18 in at 100 . Called it quits. I can feel a spot in the middle of the barrel that feels looser when loading my bullets, but I don't want to do the whole song and dance of dealing with customer service since they don't have any sort of accuracy guarantee on muzzleloaders and told me 1.5 MOA is fine on the phone. It seems like Bergara makes a bunch of barrels that are extremely accurate, but they have less than desirable QC and let too many defective barrels leave the factory. I've heard of several accuracy issues with certain rifles and/or cartridges, but also a lot of people showing their barrel being a tack driver.
I have a 308, same story like yours, looks good but never shot realy consiatent sub MOA groups. I use it for hunting so I dont care to much. But my 6.5 creed shoots ligths out, all sub 0.5 moa groups usualy.
@@craigsmith6710 watch my videos with this barrel. It was very inconsistent. Picky with loads barrel heat, cleanliness etc. for a gun over 1k I always looked for better accuracy.
I've heard many horror stories about Bergara barrels. I don't recall which year but they had a huge batch of "bad" barrels. Personally I'd never buy a bergara. I'll stick to my Tikka's. Ultimate quality right out of the box.
Mine rusted like it had rust cancer, only gun ever had issues with in rust. And when I bought it new the head space was so tight bolt wouldn't close on any factory ammo
@@frostypreppersk3593 it literally would be rusty 24 hrs after oiling with ballistol or kroil, the safety, bolt knobs. Trigger. Chamber, sling mounts. Barrel everything. Any of the dozen plus I own no issues with rust. Even a dehumidifier in the room running 24/7
@brandonrenner9597 wow I've never seen a barrel that bad. Go to a video from "Project Farm" gun oils. He's does some amazing testing. Balistol believe it or not is literally one of the poorest quality oils on thr market. This video helped me a lot. It shows which have the best viscosity, best protective properties, as well as best CLP type cleaner oils. I hope that helps you for the future. Also best cleaner by far is the newest one I just started using and it literally blew my mind. Thorroclean/Thorroflush. The stuff is amazing. Use with nylon brushes and a good Tipton carbon Fibre rod. I also use a $50 teslong bore scope. It's all worth every penny bud!
Make sure the action is true, and make sure nothing is affecting the firing pin. You can take a bronze chamber brush and chuck it into a drill and polish the throat and lands back up. Go both forward and reverse, move in and out 20 to 30 seconds at a time with CLP look into the bore and keep going until you get what you want.
Dude, your accuracy requirement is far above, what factory settings can provide. 0,75-1,0 MOA is more than ok, for a factory (mass produced rifle). If it is for competition, go for custom.
Never had an issue with a Bergara Action or barrel, I have however seen multiple issues with the stocks and or action/stock fitment. Resolving those issues with either a proper bedding or high quality chassis has always been the solution for me.
I haven't heard anything but good with Begara in my sphere. 0.75" -1.0" MOA is great for most of us out here. Thank you for showing this.
I’ve got a B-14 Wilderness Sierra in 22-250, 20” 1:9 twist that shoots consistent 1/2-3/4” with factory Hornady NTX ammo. It’s my newest B-14 which is why I’ve mentioned it. But all of my other 4 Bergara rifles shoot the same with various factory loads and handloads in 6.5PRC, .223, .243, and 7-08.
The barrel looks fine . Some barrels are fussy about what they like .
When you find the right combination of bullet and powder they work great .
I have the same barrel and I could never get it to shoot better than 3/4”. It shot the 147 eld-m consistently 3/4 but most other bullets 1-1.5
I have a 6.5CM that didn’t shoot. After spending a lot of money on trying to find a factory load and running a bunch of combination of hand loads, I finally decided to replace the barrel with a pre-fit, but I had trouble sourcing one due to the conical bolt face.
I had a brand new b14, within two shots the rifling in the last two inches of barrel was completely gone. Sent it in for warranty and what did they go, cut the end of the barrel off shortening it instead of doing the right thing and putting a new barrel on. I'll never own another POS bergara.
I had 2 Begara rifles. A 6.5 CM and a 300 PRC. Both had to go back to Bergara.
I think 3/4 to 1 minute accuracy is pretty acceptable for mass production factory barrels. Just my 2 cents.
@@RecreationalSniper most people would probably be satisfied with this, however it is pretty common these days for of the rack barrels or factory barrels to shoot consistently smaller than this.
Not with handloads it isn't.
Buy a 1k dollar rifle, and get thousand dollar accuracy. Buy a 1k dollar barrel on the other hand and make a cheap gun shoot as good as a full custom one. This is my experience. I just put a custom barrel on a Ruger American, and it went from a .5-.75 minute rifle to a .25-.5 minute rifle with hand loads and factory ammo.
@RecreationalSniper exactly
Had the same problem with my HMR 6.5 PRC, held about 1-1.25 moa even with hand loads. Rebarelled with a proof and now average under .7 moa
I picked up a B14 Hunter last year. The barrel is pretty thin and it is intended (by me) to be a hunting rifle so 3/4 inch groups are perfectly acceptable as a hunting rifle. I've tried 5 bullets and four powders so far. Best repeatable 5-shot group was 0.610 inches or so at 100 yards using a 155 ELDM and X-Terminator powder. Best hunting load was a 0.617 5-shot group using 150 Pro Hunters and IMR4064. Other than these two combinations I usually see 3/4 inch to somewhere slightly less than 1 MOA with my Bergara at 100 yards.
Thats about normal, ive sold tikkas, bergaras, rugers, mossbergs, howas etc all shoot about 1 moa. Its a factory rifle they can be very bullet fussy even when handloading, had a tikka that shot everything over an inch, tried about 20 different boxes and some handloads then found an old obscure box of 35gr 22-250 and shot .2s for the customer. Its just part of a bigger mass production no rhyme nor reason as the barrels look fine.
Tracks with my experience with same rifle. I noticed asymmetrical copper fouling lingering there towards the muzzle. Had similar issue. 0.75-1.0” with its fave load….and for me that was serviceable.
Bergara’s premier line in same configuration shoots everything 0.5” and has a much more crisp throat and fire cracking pattern for same round count.
Im getting .62 - .80 with my 7mm Rem mag with wilderness ridge 145gr LRX and 66.5 of H4831sc very happy with it.
Getting .25 moa out of my 7PRC and 180 Hybrids with N568 powder. Zero accuracy issues with my 6.5 CM and also running .25 moa. Both at 100 yards but carry 1/2 moa out to 600 plus
I had two Bergara Ridges in 7mm-08. Didn't like any factory ammo and the only bullet it shot consistently sub-moa was the 140gr Sierra Match King which is impossible to find. Since I got rid of them, Sierra now has the 140gr TGK available.
Just a heads up. That barrel is over polished. I'm guessing you clean with abrasives frequently and it looks like you might be overdoing it a bit. IOSSO and JB Bore brite(red) are more prone to causing this. JB Blue bore paste seems to be the best for removing fouling but not polishing the barrel steel. The steel should look clean and have some shine but a very light grey as opposed to a mirror finish.
The reason for this is that at a certain point when the finish becomes too smooth and friction actually increased between two polished surfaces. In this case the sheer forces between the surfaces increases and the softer metal will sheer off and deposit on the harder metal. Basically it will cause significantly faster and more copper fouling. This will end up lowering barrel life because it just becomes too difficult to clean and the excessive fouling reduces accuracy. Once this starts to happen it's a feedback loop as additional fouling needs additional cleaning which causes more polishing.
Good way to avoid it is to use the JB blue paste and figure out what the minimum amount of strokes gets the gun clean without overpolishing. Also avoiding running the bore paste the full length of the barrel for the entire cleaning session as generally 90% of the fouling is in the first 6-8" of barrel so you can just short stroke that portion clean so that you aren't running the paste on steel that's already free of fouling and polishing it. Never apply bore paste directly to the brush(copper or nylon) as it creates a slurry with the fouling and paste which accelerate wear and polishes very quickly.
I know that unsolicited advice on youtube can be annoying but I am just trying to be helpful and impart some knowledge I've gained over the years shooting benchrest, F-CLASS and gunsmithing.
@@MMBRM this barrel was cleaned up like this for the purpose of inspection and this video.
@@RobsReloading Ah. Generally that happens over time with abrasives. I still clean to bare metal every time in my comp guns and learned the hard way about the issue myself a while ago.
Bergara b 14 hmr here. 130 horn eldm and magpro powder. 10 shot groups at 3/4 groups. Removed stock and cleaned pillers that were over sprayed with paint and tourqed to 60 in pounds. Bullet seating depth makes a diffrence. Did it ever shoot better? 1500 rounds is a bit..
Tenho um B14 HMR que as balas atingem o compensador de recuo ao saírem do cano!!! Estou trocando o cano por um krieger.
I think its some thing they do during the button rifling process. My b14 barrel on my 6.5 creed made it 700 rounds and then it would foul up to the point where I had to clean it every 10 rounds.
Ironically, I re-chambered it with a bergara blank that was hand-lapped, and I have not ran into the same issue.
About average for factory production barrel. Chuck it in your lathe dial the rifling in and checkout the chamber runout. After that without an air gauge you can’t really investigate much more. Brownells had some deals on Douglas barrels recently spin one of those up you’ll be happy. Cheers
Under a Moa , seems very acceptable for a production rifle, but you didn’t say that I heard, if that’s with factory or hand loads, maybe you need to check bullet jump ?
Rob, mine is exactly like yours shooting wise. Although not as many rounds on it. I’d be real interested to see how square the action is. Thanks for posting.
I've got a Bergara HMR Wilderness in 6.5 Creed, and I've never really gotten it to shoot better than 1 MOA consistently. I took that as pretty decent for a factory rifle. It hates Hornady factory ammo though...2 moa minimum. It'll get rebarreled or sold someday.
I had a similar experience. Factory ammo does not shoot, 1.25- 2 moa, 147eldm a little better. Hand loads shoot, if I seat them way past mag length. Jump is incredibly far.
I have the B 14 HMR in 300 PRC and the B 14 HMR premier in 6.5 Creedmoor with handloads both will achieve sub half MOA. But not easily. Then I have a criterion pre-fit that 6 Creedmore shoots almost anything sub half MOA. So I’m sure Bergara makes a good amount of great BARRELS and maybe some aren’t so great. Anybody that is subscribed knows that you are a good shooter so it’s definitely not the shooter it’s the barrel but my experience is I really loved my Bergara rifles until I built a cheapish custom, which is now my favorite.
Just not good competition Barrels , Okay for plinking and hunting but after that don't expect much.
I had a bergara 6.5 prc. I ended up trading it in on a Remington 700 long range 7mm prc. The bergara was terrible in the accuracy dept. 3 to 4 inch groups consistently
My 6.5 prc same way not happy
Guessing bore diameter and rifling uniformity and consistency issues not visible to a scope or naked eye, probably deforming the projectile enough to cause inconsistent flight characteristics. Things that only precision GD&T measuring instruments would reveal. The bore finish isn't terrible, that shouldn't be an issue necessarily.
I had a b14 6.5 creedmoor it shot really well 1/4moa with a few bullets but the barrel was really really slow I could never push it above 2650fps tried 4 different powders but it is damn accurate
I have a CVA Accura LRX (bergara barrel) that has given lots of accuracy headaches. I've seen plenty of posts from other people with sub-MOA groups. I've shot dozens of groups with various bullets, BH209 and Triple7. Precisely weighed charges. I shoot sub 1/2 to sub 2/3 MOA groups pretty regularly with my cheap savage Axis so it's not that I'm a shit shot. NOT A SINGLE SUB MOA GROUP. Not one. Ever. Plenty of groups around 1.5 MOA. I shot through two bottles of BH209 chasing my tail trying to get something sub MOA. Bought triple 7 because I was sick of being gouged only to get mediocre accuracy, picked the bullet I wanted to run (290 TMZ), loaded ~110 gr equivalent charge, got 1.18 in at 100 . Called it quits. I can feel a spot in the middle of the barrel that feels looser when loading my bullets, but I don't want to do the whole song and dance of dealing with customer service since they don't have any sort of accuracy guarantee on muzzleloaders and told me 1.5 MOA is fine on the phone. It seems like Bergara makes a bunch of barrels that are extremely accurate, but they have less than desirable QC and let too many defective barrels leave the factory. I've heard of several accuracy issues with certain rifles and/or cartridges, but also a lot of people showing their barrel being a tack driver.
I have a 308, same story like yours, looks good but never shot realy consiatent sub MOA groups. I use it for hunting so I dont care to much. But my 6.5 creed shoots ligths out, all sub 0.5 moa groups usualy.
I would take 3/4 inch groups all day long from a factory barrel. I wouldn’t consider there being an issue with this.
@@craigsmith6710 watch my videos with this barrel. It was very inconsistent. Picky with loads barrel heat, cleanliness etc. for a gun over 1k I always looked for better accuracy.
The only Bergara I have owned was not accurate at all.
I've heard many horror stories about Bergara barrels. I don't recall which year but they had a huge batch of "bad" barrels. Personally I'd never buy a bergara. I'll stick to my Tikka's. Ultimate quality right out of the box.
Mine rusted like it had rust cancer, only gun ever had issues with in rust. And when I bought it new the head space was so tight bolt wouldn't close on any factory ammo
@brandonrenner9597 wow! Thats brutal!
@@frostypreppersk3593 it literally would be rusty 24 hrs after oiling with ballistol or kroil, the safety, bolt knobs. Trigger. Chamber, sling mounts. Barrel everything. Any of the dozen plus I own no issues with rust. Even a dehumidifier in the room running 24/7
@brandonrenner9597 wow I've never seen a barrel that bad. Go to a video from "Project Farm" gun oils. He's does some amazing testing. Balistol believe it or not is literally one of the poorest quality oils on thr market. This video helped me a lot. It shows which have the best viscosity, best protective properties, as well as best CLP type cleaner oils. I hope that helps you for the future. Also best cleaner by far is the newest one I just started using and it literally blew my mind. Thorroclean/Thorroflush. The stuff is amazing. Use with nylon brushes and a good Tipton carbon Fibre rod. I also use a $50 teslong bore scope. It's all worth every penny bud!
Make sure the action is true, and make sure nothing is affecting the firing pin.
You can take a bronze chamber brush and chuck it into a drill and polish the throat and lands back up.
Go both forward and reverse, move in and out 20 to 30 seconds at a time with CLP look into the bore and keep going until you get what you want.
It’s not just bergara, it sure seems like 6.5 PRC is finicky in a lot of factory rifles.
@Poor_Boy_Precision I haven't seen that at all. I have a Tikka, Savage, in 6.5 PRC, .5 MOA all day long.
Dude, your accuracy requirement is far above, what factory settings can provide. 0,75-1,0 MOA is more than ok, for a factory (mass produced rifle). If it is for competition, go for custom.
You need to put on lathe and zero out the bore then check for run out in the chamber. Accuracy starts with chamber.
@@SpudOutdoors that’s something I may do! I may cut this barrel down and make a short 6.5 Grendel barrel out of it