@@Kevin-qy4du In this channel I've watched longer bullets being stabilized from a a 1:10 twist .270 win. If is the case with the 270 wsm then the 6.8 western is practically the same thing with a slighlty reduced case capacity.
The 6.8 western is the cartridge that the WSM should have been. I saw your chronograph numbers of the 170 grain E.O.L. bullets!! Amazing getting over 31 hundred feet per second.
The also promise more than they can deliver. The 270 is better than the 6.5PRC in 95% of real world hunting scenarios. They could even get the 6.5 PRC to truly fit in a small action like Winchester did with the 6.8W
My dad and brother shoot the 270 wsm its an amazing cartridge. Ammo was scarce for a couple years but now its got a few options back on thr shelves of all the stuff you really need. Good review still dont see a nees for the creeds or prc rounds but some people do and that's the great thing about America you can like your stuff as I like mine
Perfect analysis! I have both, I gravitate toward the PRC now days. My go to load for the 270 WSM is a 130 SST going 3350 FPS and it is DEVASTATING on deer!
One thing worth mentioning for the reloaders. The wsm uses about 10 grains more powder at max charge and LRM primers, which can be pretty rare to find these days.
Thanks for the honest comparison. I have GRT on my laptop and i can see from your comparison here, why i need to use it more often. The 270 wsm is solid but rarely seen these days. I have a 270 wby which has a tad more capacity but overall very similar velocities and both have slower twist barrels from the factory. The 6.8 western definitely is more efficient and should be a more popular cartridge than it is. The 6.5 prc is very popular and i feel a much better long range hunting cartridge than a 6.5 CM. Velocity matters.
I shot a 270 WSM for quite a while. Mostly 130 and 140 Accubonds. Did the trick very well. Went away from it because I never liked the RIFLE itself much. Always thought it was pretty underrated. Also had a 6.5 PRC for a while…. Like it a lot, sold it as well. To me, both cartridges solve a problem not many of us have. Don’t get me wrong, they’re fantastic and work very well on game. BUT, I have a 6.5 CM and a .300 win mag that are my “usuals” neither the .270 WSM or 6.5 PRC cartridges solver anything for big game hunting inside ~500 yards. If I want more than the creed, shoot the .300. Don’t need the .300? Creed does fine.
I think the cartridge is fascinating and always considered getting a rifle in one but the brass availability sucks and the prices are at like $2+ a piece.
I used to have a Savage 110 270 WSM in the early 2000’s. It was a 1.5 to 2 MOA rifle. Ammo availability became an issue so I traded it off for a Mauser 264 win mag. I bought a Tikka Roughtech 6.5 PRC last year. It is a 1/2 MOA rifle with Hornady Precision Hunter. I don’t notice any difference in killing power between the rounds. I have more confidence in the PRC because of the accuracy. I will keep using it unless ammo and reloading supplies become scarce.
I have a .270WSM and I love it. I have a load worked for it that shoots single hole groups at 100 yards at 3408 with the E-tip. I have a 150 grain partition load that does 3184 and will touch at 100. I find most Hornady loads to be anemic, they are very cautious with their loads. I use GRT for looking at loads and trying to predict what they will do and it always seems to say the loads are too hot, even though my load data always comes from a book or website of either a bullet or powder maker and are deemed safe.
Had a 6.5 prc in a seekins,,,best velocity i could get was 2945? Treaded a proof barrel onto it on 270wsm,,,chambered long for the 160-170gr bullets,,,my oh my! Need to try the 155 lrx next,,thanks for the vid
I'm getting a 20 shot average velocity of 2999.5 with a 156 Berger and .3 grains under max charge of n570. .27 mean radian for 20 shots. 24" carbon six bullet. Smashed my buck at 750. One shot through the top of the heart. Maybe shoot the Seekins more and it'll speed up. Try different powders too. Best I could get with the big Berger and H1000 was 2825 for 20 shot average. Shot amazing but it was too slow.
As seen in the powder volume, the 270 WSM at 68.5 grains is indeed a magnum cartridge while the 6.5 PRC at 59.3 grains is more like a 6.5-06. Both are good cartridges, I have always considered the 6.5 PRC and its 338 RCM cases to be the updated version of the -06. I find it impressive that the PRC hangs in there with 9 grains less propellant.
Here's a ideal pick what you like learn it load for it and shoot it lol there are so many cartridges that all do basically the same thing i love the 6.5 prc i think its a great cartridge and wonderfully accurate pushing 156 eol@2940 works really well i never had that much lucknwith the 270wsm i also thought it was a great cartridge but ended up keeping the 6.5 frankly it just shot better for me
@@ReloadingWeatherbymost 6.5 PRC barrels also have 1:8 twist rate though right? I’ve seen Berger eol bullets in the 150-160 grain class get well over 3,000 fps in the 6.5 PRC.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have no doubt about that. 6.8 western is a beast. I just wish we could get better brass and factory loads for it that aren’t from Winchester. I would love to see what federal or nosler could do with it.
Thanks for the comparison. I bought a wsm some years ago per a recommendation from a friend. Wanted so badly to drive tacks with 150 gr LRAB. Disappointment ensued. Wish it was a 1:8 twist. Considering moving to 130gr bullet like my original Jack O' Conner.
Great video. Im curious to see what your take is on comparing the 6.5prc vs 264 win mag!? It looks to me like the win mag beats it out by alot. It just boils downt to long action vs short action. And or new/fast twist vs old/slow. However if the win mag can still push 140-143gr fine through a 1 in 10 twist. The bullet length and twist argument should be basically even!? Again, nobody has a head to head comparison of the two. Thank you for the video. 👍
Great video👍 If you can compare 280 rem with 7x64 Brenneke, and his sister 7x65 R Brenneke.Another information,Grt is not always corect. In my 7x65 R break action I am in dangerus pressures ohoho, but my rifle didnt show any pressure signs??? Didnt measure speed so I dont garant anything.Sorry on my englesh writhening.
My biggest buck was shot with a 270 wsm and my dad’s biggest ever was shot with a 6.5 prc. Both worked about the same for northern mi deer at roughly 50 yards. I don’t think either of the deer could tell the difference.
I'm getting a Weatherby 307 builders action either today or tomorrow if you're interested in doing an unboxing and first impressions on it before I open it :)
I think I commented on one of your past videos on the 6.5 prc vs the 270 wsm. I vote 100 out of 100 times for the 270wsm with the Nosler accubond lr 150 over the 6.5prc. All things even the 270wsm beats the prc
@@ReloadingWeatherbyI mention on another video that I have some 300gr Accubonds at a pawn shop by mistake. I have no need for them. Do you want to play around with them? I will send them down to you.
Here are my real world results with my 270 wsm , Berger 170 gr Elite Hunter Rl 26 from 26" Bartlien barrel 1-8 twist Velocity 3190 fps Lab Radar 500 yards Velocity 2646 fps Energy 2644 ft-lbs Drop -32.56" 1000 yards Velocity 2156 fps Energy 1754 ft-lbs Drop -189.20" In my humble opinion its hard to beat the performance of the 270 wsm.
I submit that 95% of hunters will find themselves in a situation where a 270 Winchester isn't the better option. I have both (for now) so I am not biased. My Tikka 24" 6.5 PRC velocities were much lower than I expected. I discovered it really needs a medium action to shine.
You know you can make your tikka a long action for a few dollars and about 5 minutes of work right? Also, Tikka barrels are notoriously slow as a rule. I have a Tikka 270 wsm, and I'm getting exactly box velocity with 140tsx. Im getting ready to start load development with the 129lrx, hoping to see around 3300fps with it.
@ people are using medium and long actions to allow the bullet to be seated further out and allowing more powder capacity. I think they are using longer 150+g bullets.
The more you dive into all these different cartridges you find that unless you go crazy over bore speed demon or super slow flat nose old time 30-30 type rounds there isn’t that much difference in them!! Take say 243 and run all the way through the reloading guide excluding the ultra mags nosler cartridges and a cpl of the weatherby cartridges there isn’t more than a cpl inches difference in the drop and drift from big to small!! You gain energy but not that much on drop!! People get so wrapped up in big BC numbers but shoot a 6.5 creedmoor at 2700 fps thinking they have something special when almost every round in the reloading guide will smoke it or run right on its ass out to 500 yards!! At the ranges that 90% of people should be shooting game it don’t make enough difference to worry about the bc of there crappy eldx bullet or the speed they can push! Pick a rifle that has enough energy to handle the game your hunting pick a good bullet and go hunting and stop worrying about all the other BS!! They can only make a cartridge shoot so fast or be so efficient and they haven’t made any real advancements with these new cartridges in the last 10 years like everyone thinks!! Do people not think that we haven’t had rifles made with fast twist barrels in 270 30-06 300 win and so on for as long as people have been building custom rifles!! Do people really think that we didn’t know 30 years ago that a heavier bullet carried better than the lighter ones!! Just because they didn’t make factory rifles with these twist to shoot those bullets did not mean they weren’t around!! They have suckered this crowd of people that think there getting something that wasn’t available until it was on the shelf at Cabelas or the local gun shop but they have always been available if you were smart enough to know how to get ahold of one!!
Cada vez me doy más cuenta de que con mi 223 y mi 270 lo cubro todo. Has visto una bala de 140 6.5 al lado de una bala de 150 270, son tan idénticas que las confundes, todo ese análisis para descubrir que el viento y la gravedad no usan micrómetros, los resultados se pueden medir a 500 yardas o 1000, cualquiera puede tener un Winchester 270 y un 7 Rem Magnum, rifles y estuches de latón por todas partes
Yeah, Hornady is full of shit most of the time. They want to pad and beef up the specs on the cartridges they created, and downplay the cartridges that actually beat theirs
I'm sure a lot of you have noticed the wrong energy number for 270 WSM at 400 yards. Sorry... it's suppose to be 2127 ft.lbs not 3127
No no it’s 3127!
It’s Winchester ‘s hidden powerhouse !!!
@@Capmikqc do the math it's 2127 ft.lbs ( 150x2527x2527/ 450240=2127)
6.8 Western is honestly the best of both worlds
Because it has a twist rate of 1 in 8 to stabilize longer bullets.
@@Kevin-qy4du In this channel I've watched longer bullets being stabilized from a a 1:10 twist .270 win. If is the case with the 270 wsm then the 6.8 western is practically the same thing with a slighlty reduced case capacity.
The 6.8 western is the cartridge that the WSM should have been. I saw your chronograph numbers of the 170 grain E.O.L. bullets!! Amazing getting over 31 hundred feet per second.
Seems to me Hornady likes to short change cartridges that they didn’t develop.
Not just Hornady... every company does it
The also promise more than they can deliver. The 270 is better than the 6.5PRC in 95% of real world hunting scenarios. They could even get the 6.5 PRC to truly fit in a small action like Winchester did with the 6.8W
I agree that Hornady likes to be VERY conservative with their data (and loaded ammo) for cartridges that are in competition with theirs.
H= Hater 😂
Just check 6.5x55 😂
My dad and brother shoot the 270 wsm its an amazing cartridge. Ammo was scarce for a couple years but now its got a few options back on thr shelves of all the stuff you really need. Good review still dont see a nees for the creeds or prc rounds but some people do and that's the great thing about America you can like your stuff as I like mine
Thanks for watching!
Good timing, I just ordered a 270 wsm!
me too in a tikka t3x lite stainless
675 on black friday sale
Perfect analysis! I have both, I gravitate toward the PRC now days. My go to load for the 270 WSM is a 130 SST going 3350 FPS and it is DEVASTATING on deer!
I bet
I love when you use the reloading books! Dont stop doing that hahaha
One thing worth mentioning for the reloaders. The wsm uses about 10 grains more powder at max charge and LRM primers, which can be pretty rare to find these days.
Thanks for the honest comparison. I have GRT on my laptop and i can see from your comparison here, why i need to use it more often. The 270 wsm is solid but rarely seen these days. I have a 270 wby which has a tad more capacity but overall very similar velocities and both have slower twist barrels from the factory. The 6.8 western definitely is more efficient and should be a more popular cartridge than it is. The 6.5 prc is very popular and i feel a much better long range hunting cartridge than a 6.5 CM. Velocity matters.
Thanks for your comment
Keeping my 270 WSM as well as 7 mm WSM and 300 WSM They simply get the job done if I do my Job !!!
Thanks for the confirmation , Great review
Thanks for watching
I shot a 270 WSM for quite a while. Mostly 130 and 140 Accubonds. Did the trick very well. Went away from it because I never liked the RIFLE itself much. Always thought it was pretty underrated. Also had a 6.5 PRC for a while…. Like it a lot, sold it as well. To me, both cartridges solve a problem not many of us have. Don’t get me wrong, they’re fantastic and work very well on game. BUT, I have a 6.5 CM and a .300 win mag that are my “usuals” neither the .270 WSM or 6.5 PRC cartridges solver anything for big game hunting inside ~500 yards. If I want more than the creed, shoot the .300. Don’t need the .300? Creed does fine.
Well said.
I think the cartridge is fascinating and always considered getting a rifle in one but the brass availability sucks and the prices are at like $2+ a piece.
Brass does suck for 270 WSM
Hard to believe the WSM and WSSM stuff came out that long ago. I remember being in middle and high school reading the articles.
I used to have a Savage 110 270 WSM in the early 2000’s. It was a 1.5 to 2 MOA rifle. Ammo availability became an issue so I traded it off for a Mauser 264 win mag. I bought a Tikka Roughtech 6.5 PRC last year. It is a 1/2 MOA rifle with Hornady Precision Hunter. I don’t notice any difference in killing power between the rounds. I have more confidence in the PRC because of the accuracy. I will keep using it unless ammo and reloading supplies become scarce.
Thanks for watching and commenting
A .264 win mag Mauser is leaps and bounds cooler than a 6.5 PRC tikka though!
@@Westerner_ especially since it was built by one of my mentors that is no longer with us.
I have a .270WSM and I love it. I have a load worked for it that shoots single hole groups at 100 yards at 3408 with the E-tip. I have a 150 grain partition load that does 3184 and will touch at 100. I find most Hornady loads to be anemic, they are very cautious with their loads. I use GRT for looking at loads and trying to predict what they will do and it always seems to say the loads are too hot, even though my load data always comes from a book or website of either a bullet or powder maker and are deemed safe.
if you like to review short mags i would suggest doing one on the underrated 350 Rem Mag!
Had a 6.5 prc in a seekins,,,best velocity i could get was 2945? Treaded a proof barrel onto it on 270wsm,,,chambered long for the 160-170gr bullets,,,my oh my! Need to try the 155 lrx next,,thanks for the vid
Dang... that is slow
I'm getting a 20 shot average velocity of 2999.5 with a 156 Berger and .3 grains under max charge of n570. .27 mean radian for 20 shots. 24" carbon six bullet. Smashed my buck at 750. One shot through the top of the heart.
Maybe shoot the Seekins more and it'll speed up. Try different powders too. Best I could get with the big Berger and H1000 was 2825 for 20 shot average. Shot amazing but it was too slow.
@@ajdube9967 I put 300 rounds through it,,,then threaded the wsm barrel on it,,,it likes the 165 ablr with r26
And 1/8 twist
I'm about to start handloading my PRCs. But in factory loads 130s at 3150 and 120s at 3280, 142/143s 2950.
As seen in the powder volume, the 270 WSM at 68.5 grains is indeed a magnum cartridge while the 6.5 PRC at 59.3 grains is more like a 6.5-06. Both are good cartridges, I have always considered the 6.5 PRC and its 338 RCM cases to be the updated version of the -06. I find it impressive that the PRC hangs in there with 9 grains less propellant.
I’m glad to see this match up.
Thanks for watching
@
Yes sir.
Here's a ideal pick what you like learn it load for it and shoot it lol there are so many cartridges that all do basically the same thing i love the 6.5 prc i think its a great cartridge and wonderfully accurate pushing 156 eol@2940 works really well i never had that much lucknwith the 270wsm i also thought it was a great cartridge but ended up keeping the 6.5 frankly it just shot better for me
270 WSM > 6.5 PRC 😁
You're not biased at all...
of course not
How would the 6.8 Western do against these?
Beat both of them because of the fast twist in the 6.8 Western being able to shoot heavier high b.c. bullets.
@@ReloadingWeatherbymost 6.5 PRC barrels also have 1:8 twist rate though right? I’ve seen Berger eol bullets in the 150-160 grain class get well over 3,000 fps in the 6.5 PRC.
@jam5287 I know it does. 6.8 Western is faster than 6.5 PRC and can shoot a 170 gr Berger
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have no doubt about that. 6.8 western is a beast. I just wish we could get better brass and factory loads for it that aren’t from Winchester. I would love to see what federal or nosler could do with it.
Good review, but without watching the 270 wsn, at least mine with 8" twist barrel pushing Berger 170 gr @ 3190 fps will out perform the 6.5
How long is your barrel?
26" Bartlien
I use RL 26
Put my 270 load day in your ballistic calculator. Speeds verified with my Lab Radar
1000 yards, velocity 2156 fps, Energy 1756 ft-lbs. Amazing 😁
My 270wsm is shooting 150g 3240-3250 fps, love it can’t find that factory ammunition anymore though
Please compare to the 6.8 western!?
Midway does have a decent amount of 270 wsm ammo. It is not cheap however. They have a custom 150 partition bullet load.
Thanks for the comparison. I bought a wsm some years ago per a recommendation from a friend. Wanted so badly to drive tacks with 150 gr LRAB. Disappointment ensued. Wish it was a 1:8 twist. Considering moving to 130gr bullet like my original Jack O' Conner.
Go for it
Great video. Im curious to see what your take is on comparing the 6.5prc vs 264 win mag!? It looks to me like the win mag beats it out by alot. It just boils downt to long action vs short action. And or new/fast twist vs old/slow. However if the win mag can still push 140-143gr fine through a 1 in 10 twist. The bullet length and twist argument should be basically even!? Again, nobody has a head to head comparison of the two. Thank you for the video. 👍
264 Win mag has at least 10 more grains of case capacity. It should always beat the 6.5 PRC in velocity
Great video👍 If you can compare 280 rem with 7x64 Brenneke, and his sister 7x65 R Brenneke.Another information,Grt is not always corect. In my 7x65 R break action I am in dangerus pressures ohoho, but my rifle didnt show any pressure signs??? Didnt measure speed so I dont garant anything.Sorry on my englesh writhening.
Gonna be a good one
Hope you like it
@ReloadingWeatherby I got my best 8 point this morning Ole wby still gets it done
My biggest buck was shot with a 270 wsm and my dad’s biggest ever was shot with a 6.5 prc. Both worked about the same for northern mi deer at roughly 50 yards. I don’t think either of the deer could tell the difference.
Nice
As a hunting cartridge outperforms the 6.5 PRC in numbers. In the practice both are basically the same.
Interesting. I thought the 6.5PRC is similar in ballistic performance to the 270WIN.
270 Win is very similar out to 500 yards with the 6.5 PRC
@@ReloadingWeatherbyyes and I see the prc as just a expensive 270 for hunting.
Does Reloading Weatherby work for Hornady? Something about him and his fancy rifles make me wonder if he's on their payroll as a big time influencer.
Bahaha
I'm getting a Weatherby 307 builders action either today or tomorrow if you're interested in doing an unboxing and first impressions on it before I open it :)
Are you local to me?
@ yes
@ my folks are from Coalville, but we live in SLC now
@@Saberlus My family all moved to Coalville 5 years ago
@@Saberlus Sending me a message on Instagram.
What about the .270 weatherby mag.
Even faster...
You need to do a review on
.270 weatherby mag vs 6.5 prc
I think I commented on one of your past videos on the 6.5 prc vs the 270 wsm. I vote 100 out of 100 times for the 270wsm with the Nosler accubond lr 150 over the 6.5prc. All things even the 270wsm beats the prc
Thanks for watching and giving the suggestion.
Hornady is full of it
While you're at it, compare the 6.5 Weatherby rpm to all of the above also....
Why does the energy increase at 400 yards so drastically on the. .270 wsm? Error in your algorithm?
I made a mistake. It should have been 2127 ft.lbs
@ I figured. Still a fan of the .270 WSM. Wish it was more available. Great round, especially with a fast twist barrel.
270WSM = 270 Weatherby, am I wrong?
270 Weatherby is a little faster
@@ReloadingWeatherbyI mention on another video that I have some 300gr Accubonds at a pawn shop by mistake. I have no need for them. Do you want to play around with them? I will send them down to you.
Here are my real world results with my 270 wsm , Berger 170 gr Elite Hunter Rl 26 from 26" Bartlien barrel 1-8 twist Velocity 3190 fps Lab Radar
500 yards Velocity 2646 fps Energy 2644 ft-lbs Drop -32.56"
1000 yards Velocity 2156 fps Energy 1754 ft-lbs Drop -189.20"
In my humble opinion its hard to beat the performance of the 270 wsm.
That's impressive
Compare a 6.5x300 wetherby vs a 30-378 wetherby
I submit that 95% of hunters will find themselves in a situation where a 270 Winchester isn't the better option. I have both (for now) so I am not biased. My Tikka 24" 6.5 PRC velocities were much lower than I expected. I discovered it really needs a medium action to shine.
What velocities are you getting?
Why would action make a difference?
You know you can make your tikka a long action for a few dollars and about 5 minutes of work right? Also, Tikka barrels are notoriously slow as a rule. I have a Tikka 270 wsm, and I'm getting exactly box velocity with 140tsx. Im getting ready to start load development with the 129lrx, hoping to see around 3300fps with it.
@@rosswitteSo you can seat bullets out further to maximize powder capacity
@ people are using medium and long actions to allow the bullet to be seated further out and allowing more powder capacity. I think they are using longer 150+g bullets.
You put a fast twist barrel on the .270 wsm, it beats the 6.8western, 6.5prc, and the 7prc.
Thanks for watching
6mm Remington vs 6mm creedmoor old vs new
The more you dive into all these different cartridges you find that unless you go crazy over bore speed demon or super slow flat nose old time 30-30 type rounds there isn’t that much difference in them!! Take say 243 and run all the way through the reloading guide excluding the ultra mags nosler cartridges and a cpl of the weatherby cartridges there isn’t more than a cpl inches difference in the drop and drift from big to small!! You gain energy but not that much on drop!! People get so wrapped up in big BC numbers but shoot a 6.5 creedmoor at 2700 fps thinking they have something special when almost every round in the reloading guide will smoke it or run right on its ass out to 500 yards!! At the ranges that 90% of people should be shooting game it don’t make enough difference to worry about the bc of there crappy eldx bullet or the speed they can push! Pick a rifle that has enough energy to handle the game your hunting pick a good bullet and go hunting and stop worrying about all the other BS!! They can only make a cartridge shoot so fast or be so efficient and they haven’t made any real advancements with these new cartridges in the last 10 years like everyone thinks!! Do people not think that we haven’t had rifles made with fast twist barrels in 270 30-06 300 win and so on for as long as people have been building custom rifles!! Do people really think that we didn’t know 30 years ago that a heavier bullet carried better than the lighter ones!! Just because they didn’t make factory rifles with these twist to shoot those bullets did not mean they weren’t around!! They have suckered this crowd of people that think there getting something that wasn’t available until it was on the shelf at Cabelas or the local gun shop but they have always been available if you were smart enough to know how to get ahold of one!!
Good comment
Please compare the 80 year old 300 WBY to the New 300 PRC , just for fun !……. You know what I mean ……….
I have something European for you. Compare 7x75 SE v. H. vs 7 PRC or 5,6x61 SE v. H. vs 22-250
GRT ?
Gordon's Reloading Tool. It's free to download and use
Cada vez me doy más cuenta de que con mi 223 y mi 270 lo cubro todo. Has visto una bala de 140 6.5 al lado de una bala de 150 270, son tan idénticas que las confundes, todo ese análisis para descubrir que el viento y la gravedad no usan micrómetros, los resultados se pueden medir a 500 yardas o 1000, cualquiera puede tener un Winchester 270 y un 7 Rem Magnum, rifles y estuches de latón por todas partes
You're not wrong. Not a lot of difference.
of corse the 270 wsm is slow in the hornady book. ever look at a nosler book I E 28 nos. vs 7stw
Nosler is just as guilty
👍
I want a 270 wsm have a 6.5 prc but hadn't gotten to kill with it because I like the 6.5 300 the king of 6.5
Just tired of Hornady being so biased towards.277
AUSTIN, YOUR ENERGY VALUE AT 400 YARDS FOR THE 270 WSM IS A TYPO - YOU HAVE 3,127 FT LBS! 🤦♂️
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@ReloadingWeatherby Yep... 😂
AT LEAST YOU KNOW I AM PAYING ATTENTION! 👨🏫
You have another troll besides me😂????
I have many trolls and haters
Yeah, Hornady is full of shit most of the time. They want to pad and beef up the specs on the cartridges they created, and downplay the cartridges that actually beat theirs
Hornady isn't the only one.