Game of Thrones Symbolism: The Martells
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- We continue our Game of Thrones House Symbolism series with House Martell, the house that is arguably depicted most differently between the show and the books by George R.R. Martin.
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try to do why joker of dark knight was the greatest villain of all time
ScreenPrism Jon Snow and Dany parallels/character study
Could you either talk about Over the Garden Wall, Don Bluth’s Movies or a Miyazaki film
Can you do an analysis of the religions in westeros? Like the red god and the faith of the seven?
PS: love your channel
Do Littlefinger/House Baelish and House Frey next
"Today is not the day i die!"
-Oberyn Martell, the day he died
To be honest, repeating everyday that "today is not the day I die" will give you a very good success predictions rate (thousands of good predictions vs one bad) but it will ensure you are wrong in the end. Another example of trading long term benefits for short term goals :P
"What are you gonna do, stab me?" -quote from man stabbed
There's only one thing we say to death
- Not today
Legend said he is off to China for black powder.
How many times am I gonna see thidM
the show ruined the Martells.....except for Oberyn
My poor Doran!
Well, it kind of ruined Oberyn's face. And hair... And head...
Agreed...they completely butchered the Dorne storyline...so much potential there. Tyrell's were butchered as well...but what they did to Martell's is just ridiculous...
What houses the show DID NOT ruined?
Lannisters and Starks, I guess.
Kourbiser very few, but the Political death of Dorne was the worst of the worst.
Still fucking mad that in the show this house was poorly developed
They removed arianna martell who is a pov character basically 90% plots.
I didn't know how awesome house Martell was until I looked them up and its really sad how hard they got ruined in the show
Norman Hampton i totally agree with you i enjoy inmensly the variations of books and adaptations, but in this scenario, KNOWING the incredible potential of this particular house, is such a shame, also this house is practically one of the most important houses when it comes to plot story
Norman Hampton Too bad they are extinct in the show.
They removed house Martell important character to the dornish plot, they removed arianna martell which is like as if, image it like in the first season and book if ned was removed from house stark plot, it be like removing 90% of the north and house stark plot or removing jon snow or dany from the series which is like removing a huge part of the main-plot?
The Martells on the show were such a snoozefest after Oberyn’s death. Such a shame.
The show removed arianna martell who is a major character of the dornish plot.
soyon manlai and Ellaria is complete opposite of her personality in the book
Olivia Williams they cut off one of oberyn daughter who is half summer islander, Doran's older son who went to essos to bring dany to westeros but died, they changed doran into a man who did nothing but in the books he was secretly plotting for revenge, there is a ser Aerys oakheart, tree pov characters arianna martell, hotah, ser aerys. The sand snakes been changed into similar characters to each one but in the books they have separate appearance and personality.
yeah i know
Jo yeah Pedro pascal really killed it as Oberyn
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken....that is until D&D got a hold of them...
InMaTeofDeath bent over the barrel broken by Euron conquered due to stupidity
What is D&D?
@@the_number_one dumb and dumber
@SmarterThenu Meanashell They ruined the show true, but the books still exist in their original form and untarnished, can't wait till George finally finishes.
@@the_number_one i guess its Dungeons and Dragons
"and well developed characters"
The burns are hotter than any golden crown can be
The only characters from Dorne that were remotely close to being well-developed were Oberyn and Ellaria and even they could have used more screen time and care.
Ellaria's character got murdered from Season 5 onwards though. They turned her into a complete idiot.
"Hey, let's exact revenge for Oberyn's death by killing all his family. Genius!"
FleurVonConspicua True. At least the actress was really good. She's getting lots of new work lately, good for her
yh real shame for indira varma, she was amazing
I think Oberyn is one of the most genuinely likeable characters in the show...
and the rest of his family rounds out the bottom of that kind of list.
I am so not over Oberyn...
me to
I am so not over Doran... such a waste of a smart and interesting character. The show writers needlessly killed him off because they were too dumb to write him further into the story.
You would if you had the chance ;-)
@@RS-fv2ci Do I really have to explain?
@@RS-fv2ci he means be literally over him. Like, in bed.
Holy shit, that foreshadowing by Tyrion! "You could at least wear a helmet"
Indeed. Loved that too.
Brooo I just noticed that
+ the foreshadowing by Bronne ‘one misstep and I die’ (when he refuses to represent Tyrion)
fidur2 I honestly don't think a helmet would have helped very much in that scenario.
@@abradolflincler3762 you're absolutely right, in the book he was wearing a helmet and still died the same way
“Bastards are born out of passion.”
Damn. How deep, but kinda true.
Tyene was supposed to be extremely resistant to poison like her father... what they did to her in the series was laughable.
Well we never saw her again so maybe she was 🤷♀️
Actually, Tyene and her dad were both reported to be master poisoners
Great video. In the books, Doran Martell is what keeps the Martells alive. It's repeatedly mentioned that Oberyn is the dangerous, unpredictable snake whereas Doran is the tactful, calculating mastermind behind all of Sunspear's long-term motives. In the show, they don't capitalize on Doran's mastermind intellect at all and instead show him as a pathetic, weak leader who is easily ousted by Ellaria. The Martells have an equalizer in Doran, and he makes an incredibly deadly combination with Oberyn. They both had a masterplan to get revenge on the Lannisters by forming an alliance with the Targareyns through Quentyn Martelll and later Arianne Martell, neither of whom made it to the show. It's really sad that such a great show did such a big disservice to a great house. In the books, the Martells are my favorite house exactly because of all the reasons mentioned in this video -- they believe in equality, fairness, and tend to enjoy all of life's pleasures. They demonstrate how well such a society can function and are examples of excellent leaders. In the show, however, I could barely get myself to keep watching the Dorne plot because of how bad the writing for the Sand Snakes' dialogue was and how little screentime was devoted to worldbuilding in Dorne.
Im not "angry" that quentyn or Arianne didnt make it in show, after all their plots are big and lead to other plots. But at least they should had kept Ellaria, Doran, sand snakes more close to the book characters, and why not replace Arianne plot by Tristan after all, he was in love with Myrcella, could be easily used.
Doran is turn in some useless prince, that for some reason is afraid, Tristan is just there, Ellaria that started well, end up been some homicidal revengeful bitch, and sand snakes... well just one dimension.
Martells were done, after oberyn death and only come to life, because of Indira, otherwise, they would not brought in the show again (i guess the writers dont like their story)
Sometimes the writers focus in some other characters or moments that are not interesting and cut in important ones. If they didnt wanted to use possible martell/targaryan heir plot, they should had use at least Arianne, by using Tristan and Myrcella attempt to take the throne, with Doran guide. Without Arianne, it would give Tristan a meaning in the show. Myrcella and Tristan, could had die in sept explosian, making Doran allied with Olenna, and sending sand snakes into the war. It would not break Ellaria character, and Doran would be seen tactical and practical. Later they could hold golden company (if they come to westeros) till Dany and jon march into Kingsland, after destroying the undead army.
What is worse, I see even show Doran as having some long game plan. But then that angry bitch ruins it all because selfish impulse and her image of men being weak keep her from assuming that he might even *have* one.
Which frustratingly reduces the entire thing to, at best, a warning about going from actual equality to feminism gone wrong.
"how bad the writing for the Sand Snakes' dialogue was and how little screentime was devoted to worldbuilding in Dorne" you hit the nail on the head there, bud
This is my own personal view as someone who has only watched the show, but I feel like Ellaria Sand believes in physical power over intelligent or political power, which is why she refers to Doran as weak and kills him.
@@awaywiththefaeries9464 it just seems like the opposite of the values of the house. Isn't their first value equality??? But she only values able-bodied physically powerful people? So sloppy lol. It was clear they were hyper emphasizing that he is in a wheelchair which I found comical. If she was a true Martell, this shouldn't matter. it just feels too convenient to me. Doran seems kind, but also tactical and intelligent. I also don't exactly understand why his guards turned on him. No setup for that. That one main dude seemed like Doran's ride or day since day 1. Honestly that whole storyline makes me annoyed. The truth is D&D needed to wrap the story up so .. they just did. Season 5 was such a joke honestly lol.
Show Ellaria is basically the complete opposite of book Ellaria
Director favoured actress performance instead of writing of the complex story, they could have atleast reduced dorne to 3 or 4 episode, enough time to finish the story and have arianna martell.
The rest is of the characters is okey to exclude them, atleast add doran speech of justice, fire and blood?
soyon manlai yep.. or you know they could have done Dorne correctly with Quentin and all and Gryff storyline, and take their time and not run out of book by season 5
The show is a multi-million dollars budget, I don't know how the logistics work but it will cost a huge fortune to make more episodes, countless actors, cgi and places.
I am okey they excluded the prince to bring dany to westeros and young griff out as well. But it be too complex.
I think someday we get a comic book version of asoiaf and exclude affc and favour adwd.
The writers made right by cutting Arianne and Quentyn plots. But they should use Tristan Marriage with Myrcella to try to steal the throne, after joffrey death. Bringing Myrcella into the game, played by Doran. When Margary, loras and Cersei been in prison, Myrcella (guide by Doran) would try to face Tommen and High Sparrow, but end up dying in Sept explosion with Tristan. Forcing Doran allied with Olenna. Ellaria could try to stop all revenge idea. Sand Snakes could go to war, and Nymeria and Obara die in the same way. Cersei blaming Martells by Myrcella death, killing tyene in dungeon. Ellaria could meet dany, jon and cersei to discuss the undead, and Dorne prepares to Jon and Dany in north. When they find out that Battle between theon and his uncle, forced the golden company land in Dorne. Doran and his army hold golden company, till Theon and Yara joins them (after destroying their uncle) Cersei have to send Lannister army leaving Kingslanding unprotected. Jon and Dany after crushing the Undead army, march into Kingsland and conquer the Throne, ending the war.
In the Books the Martells have the Absolute Most Long Game Plan of all !!
But there are certain problems like doran older son who went to bring dany to westeros and he try to steal one of dragom but got burned by it.
Are you sure that the son is burned by it?.
Sophia Wilson I haven't read the books in a while but, if he is alive then he would return as a damaged young man to his father or if his dead then his friends somehow will inform his father about the death. There is young griff but his excluded from the show.
If Arianna martell marry young griff, maybe a mistake or atleast might worth something, but they want Dany and her dragons that has a real firepower, if they don't support young griff then they support Dany and at their endgame, they will get some reward and revenge but with the death of Doran's son, they won't have gain any political power or favour.
The problem with that is in a tv show, its hard to have so many main characters. They already have so many.
The Martells are my favorite house but I feel it was misrepresented on the show. Partly because Ellaria didn't care about honoring Oberyn just quick and pointless vengeance that will have poor consequences for the Martells. "We don't kill little girls in Dorne." Ellaria is basically the opposite of what Oberyn wanted but the show ignores it. Plus Doran is playing the longest possible game in the whole of Westeros except for maybe the white walkers. He's been plotting since Elia was murdered.
Ella Noaksson they are definitely the wisest considering they were the only one that wasnt taken over.
@ella noaksson best comment on here, they failed this house and her killing the daughter was completely pointless and hypocritical of them saying killing little kids, she was not following and but pure outright revenge
Their geographical locations; however, puts them at a great disadvantage. They are in danger of stretching their forces too thin. They have the potential to dominate the South (even the a great portion of the East) but not all of Westeros. The long game is great, but its not enough to win the Game completely.
The thing is Doran, all his children AND the sandsnakes were completely butchered in the tv shows. They were all portrayed so horribly, given such small parts. The story of Dorne was all about Ellaria in the TV Show. SHE was the main character with Jamie of that storyline. The entire Dorne plot was essentially boiled down to Oberyn & Ellaria vs the Lannisters
It's funny that Ellaria is the vengeful one since in the books she is specifically resentful of the cycle of vengeance and doesn't want her daughters running off to avenge their elder sisters after they die trying to avenge their father.
For those who don't know D&D just write the show based on what they think the actor is good at, Steven Dillane makes a good "the world is fucked face" let's wire Stannis into situations that let us show that face, Lena Hadley is such a nice person let's write Cersei more sympathetically, Richard Madden would be good a romance let's turn Rob Stark's plot into a romantic tragedy. Pretty much every change from the books is because of this, I mean I can understand playing to an actor's strengths but it needs to be in service of the character not opposition to it. Random rant over.
Yeah they butchered the characters but lets not pretend the storyline in the books was all that interesting to begin with. Frankly I'd have liked if they'd just cut it out all together. It's such a needless, boring detour. There's interesting details and world building but there's no story. Nothing happens except Mrycella getting hurt. That's it.
The thing I hate is that, all things being considered, Doran was a great leader. I'd like to see how people outside of Sunspear felt especially the non-Rhoynish.
I think Dorne should have been completely left out of the show after Oberyn's death. I understand why D&D at first did not want to include it - the narrative was already huge and didn't need to get any bigger for a story already halfway through its second act by the end of Book 3 and Season 4. I actually think GRRM messed up by pulling Dorne into the story, as its inclusion was one reason the books got bloated and he has apparently found himself unable to complete the sprawling and artificially extended narrative.
valar Yeah I can see your point. If you do some research you'll see pretty mıch the only reason Dorne happened on the show is because producers loved Indira varma
The show butchered everything about the Martels
The only good martell is in the books.
Christopher Charles except for Oberyn
Martin did that way before the show could.
Except Oberyn. He's even better than he was in the books. Oh and Nymeria is incredibly good looking.
They ruined every brown person's story line.
Poor Elia martell what did she ever do to deserve such a horrible fate, first rheagar humiliated her in front of public and runaway with his lady new wife/love, and hold as a hostage by crazy king/father in law, then she and her kids gets brutally murdered by the mountain who was knighted by her husband, divorced and her kids casted aside and never be heirs, rheagar his such an asshole!
Never skip english classes
Yeah, R+L=J being made a thing in the show is ESPECIALLY insulting to Elia, NUMEROUS spelling errors aside.
Levi Herendeen ttyyytrrwq🚞tfry
Rheagar was not an asshole. The marriage between Elia and Rheagar wasn’t a marriage made from love, it was arranged by the mad king then Rheagar fell in love with Ned’s sister, he couldn’t help that. The mad king is the one to be blamed in all this and Tywin. Plus yeah he knighted the mountain but he’s not the one who ordered him to kill his wife and his own kids.
@@lexirhee3738 arrange marriage is common in medieval period. Most these arrange marriage were done for political gains. If you break a vow of marriage, there are actions that create consequences like Lyon Baratheon and the frey
Martell and Greyjoy sub-plots were too rushed in the show. They should have at least dropped one of the plot to develop the other one better.
agreed, Stark and Lannister get all the love.
Starks and Lannisters are more interesting then Martell's and Greyjoy's
i have crippling depression lol.... sure the greyjoy's arent that interesting but the martells are easily as entertaining as the tyrells if not more if done right..
hell doran martell can even go as far as rival the masterplans of tywin lannister and olenna tyrell but they chose to portray him as a fragile cripple
To each their own i guess
I want them to do a spin off
Oberyn's death hit me the hardest even though it was so obvious I didn't want to believe he'd die
"Gais gais gais! This Ellaria Sand has become a beloved and interesting character! Let's honour her by making her the exact opposite of that"
my heart took FOREVER to heal from oberyn's death, omg. i still actually haven't watched his death because it's TOO MUCH (also wow thanks for inserting clips of it in the video, i had to cover my eyes). i wanted to care about the rest of house martell, but after oberyn and doran's death, it all felt so tacked on
Exactly. Oberyn, Doran, and Ellia were the only worthy Martells. The rest are so irrelevant and annoying
It's unfortunate that the deaths I was most satisfied with in GoT was the death of the Sand Snakes. It should have been Ramsay or Joffrey, but the SS dialogue was so cringeworthy that I just wanted it to be over with.
Goliath Online *bad kitty
I felt bad for tyene but the sand snakes in the show were stupid and shouldve died earlier
Harvey K so you are satisfied when cersei killed Tyene Sand ?
yes
@@KidZoneChannel That was actually one of the only moments I was rooting for Cercei. She was completely justified
FINALLY! Been waiting for you guys to do House Martell. I still believe that Oberyn is one of the most underrated characters in the show. He was charming, funny, kind, cultured, intelligent (he almost became a maester!), brave, and one of the best fighters in the show. I don't think he died because of hubris; it was really his love for his sister that led to his downfall.
Nope, no matter how much he loved his sister he should have been more careful... I don't even know what he planned to accomplish by making the Mountain confess in public like that, it had no real weight due to him being butchered and dying...
He wanted the closure of the Mountains confession. I think he may have also wanted people to dislike the Lannisters more. I agree Oberyn was my favorite character and underrated on the show. With that being said, the actor is also on the netflix show Narcos.
"Arguably" the book's take on the Martells was more interesting? ARGUABLY?
Things would've been different if we had Arianne on the show. She's so f*cking smart. Next video: House Dayne, please
Its Doran who is smart.Arianne is stil young and shortsighted
@@sebastiangniadek6473 Arianne is by far the smartest.
Too bad she got caught
And also that guy (Arys Oakheart) was my favorite character in the Dorne storyline (he's like a daddy figure to Myrcella)
@@sebastiangniadek6473 It’s said that she’s a mix of oberyn and doran. She has the genius intellect of Doran and the passion and hot bloodedness of oberyn.
I disagree with the short sightedness of the martells. They can be short sighted, but they are also capable of playing the long game. As you yourself pointed out doran is playing the long game in the books. And Nymeria was smart enough not to challenge the Valyrians unlike other Rhoynar princes. Granted most Martells we meet are rather impulsive. So Doran may be an outlier and the rest truly are all short sighted.
Koopa Library the Dornish have a keen understanding of time and endurance , like the deserts in their country. That is how they defeated Aegon's armies and later armies, by waiting it out.
Oberyn and his daughters are exceptions, Doran is the typical Martell we expect. He is planning for the long game.
Great video! I clicked on it almost immediately. House Martell is an excellent house that had its story neutered in adaptation. D&D made some major mistakes by planning the Dorne plotline ahead of time and recentering it around Ellaria. Considering Oberyn was my favorite character on the show and Arianne my favorite from the books, I'm more than a little salty. I'm usually very forgiving of TV adaptations that make significant changes from their source materials. But this was such an utter clusterfuck.
I share your thoughts. It is a good time to stick to the books especially since the TV series is coming to an end
Oberyn was one of my absolute favorite characters.
I loved the Sand Snakes! Wish we could have seen more of House Martell
Said no one ever.
Actually on the show, there are still more Sand Snakes, we just haven’t seen them - back in the season that Oberyn was introduced in, he talks about writing poems to his bastard daughter Elia and he says Myrcella was last seen playing in the water gardens with his younger children - so there are more Sand Snakes than just the older three that we saw
We just haven’t seen the younger ones yet
Neither will we ever sadly
I almost got to thinking that (in the show) Ellaria went a little crazy after the horrid death of Oberyn right in front of her eyes with the sound and all....
How many houses disappear in GOT?
-Martell household is gone
-Targayrean has died
-Tyrell have gone
-Lannister might as well be extinct
-Stark, I mean it’ll die with Arya and Sansa, I doubt Jon will carry it on.
Targayrean isn't gone, "Jon Snow" is the last surviving heir. Said so in both book and show. So he won't carry on the Stark name as he is not a Stark.
There are living Tyrells back in Highgarden. Margaery and Loras have elder brothers. The Lannisters, apart from Tyrion, still have Kevan (Tywin’s brother)’s line. The Starks still have Bran.
The Show version of house Martell sucks.
The books version of house Martell is awesome.
soyon manlai Except for the Quentyn subplot. The end made me feel completely cheated and disappointed, like I had just read several dozen pages’ worth of filler.
That's true.
I'd still live in Dorne if I could choose.
Well thank u I must say
@@andrewgu2457 There's a chance he is alive tho.
The Martell's also exposed D&Ds complete inability to write intrigue, the Martell's were a mob family, Doran resting easy in his chair was a farce as his mind never rested.
But D&D didn't know what to do with them, so kill them off.
It's confirmed since D&D were responsible for the Dorne plot writing after Season 4 aka the last season when GRRM leaves the show. Some plot lines were developed before the show like when GRRM gave D&D showrunners a challenge to guess who Jon Snow's parents are so that panned out well into season 6 but the entire Dorne plot was all D&D. It's proof that they're incompetent writers which explains why the show dropped in quality with every season: years of planned out plotlines were used up so they came up with their own trash.
I am really sad about Doran Martell. I didnt even read the books and I had the feeling he was up to something. Great opportunity thrown out of the window in my opinion.
Nymeria didnt get justice
I swear i sit and wait for your Game of Thrones vids like sunday breakfast!. As always an in depth analogy on another great house. I most of all like your contrast to another great house (Tyrells). Great video and as always thanks for the effort
Cheers, thank you for the note! Glad you're enjoying the regularity of our Sunday morning releases!
Omg finally. Please house tully or arryn next?
Yup, the last of the Great Houses. I kinda want to see the Freys and Tarlys too, and maybe any others. House Baelish could be neat.
House Frey would be neat. I would also like house Clegane.
Thanks for the suggestions and good to hear there's still support for continuing the series while we wait for Season 8!
Finally been waiting for a long time...
hh Death same.
Good things come to those who wait! Ha. Thanks for the support!
ScreenPrism can you please make a video on the house of Dayne
hh Death yeah me too I love house martell
SAME
I hated the Dornish plot but then I read the books...and they became my favorite characters, especially Ellaria ❤️
Missed one of the biggest meanings in their sigil. Dorne is the only one of the 7 Kingdoms to kill a dragon. Part of why they weren't conquered.
I truly loved the Martells and I can't wait to read the books and get even more of them. 😍
Short sightedness I think is also shown in oberyn having his eyes gouged
Considering that Obreyn fathered a lot of kids as you say. The Martell line hasn't gone extinct it's just dispersed and the 2 other characters not seen are still in Dorne.
It’s absolutely criminal what D&D did to the Martells and the Dorne storyline in the show. It was vastly reduced and chopped up, reducing them to minor characters who just happened to poison Myrcella Lannister. The Dorne storyline deserved more time.
Seeing these in my subscription feed makes me so happy
Say what you want the martells were easily my favorite family. Oberyn has been my second favorite character since he was introduced into the show. (Just behind tyrion Lannister)
Same. Martells and Starks were my absolute favorite houses and Oberyn deserved better :(
The Dorne storyline in the show proved D&D had no clue what to do with the characters without guidance.
I love this channel so much
I noticed how the spear through the sun could also represent hubris, like flying too close to the sun and getting burned. Like if someone threw their spear to pierce the sun, but lost their spear in the process.
I also like the parallel in the books with Doran and Tyrion.
I'm not sure how long you can continue this series, but please do more content! It is so good. You can really see oneself in some of the houses. Some more than others of course.
Doran Martell In the book play the very long game.
There is also the lightning lord who don’t use animal, also the Bolton flayed man... there is quite a few of those
House yronwood, dayne, frey, blackwood, glover, tyrell, tarly and hightower they all don't use animal.
Ser Patrek of King's Mountain famously uses a Texan-style sigil with a big star as GRRM had a bet with a friend of his and lost.
Dorne is so interesting in the books. Shame that there wasn't really enough room in the show plot to fully flesh out Dorne
Thanks for doing one of my favourite Houses in the series! Keep up the good work! :)
I'm very impressed with the detailed and thorough analysis of the GoT houses in your channel, well produced videos with great additional infographics cut together with clips from the show and illustrations. I really dig the semiotic analysis of the symbols and colors a lot, going to subscribe and look forward to more great work from all of you in the future
What you say about being short sighted describes well how the show destroyed the Martells. In the book, Oberyn and Dorian have been plotting the Lanisters' downfall ever since Elia's death. Almost everything Oberyn did in his life was for that plot of their's.
Indira Varma's performance single handedly saved the Dorne plot. Even in her final moments I felt sympathy for Ellaria.
My gosh my two favorite houses back to back. I honestly feel blessed
Very much enjoying your analyses. Bravo!
"Spears are symbolic of single mindlessness and tunnel vision, when using an spear a soldier must focus his attention on one target"
As a history enthusiast, mind you not an expert in any way, I got triggered by this. Spears and polearms, for that matter, are battlefield weapons designed to fight against multiple opponents, while on the other hand swords sidearms designed for self defense and dueling. So if a weapon is the most suited for fighting more than one opponent is the spear, because it gives you range. So it will place the most distance between you and your opponents. Mind you that without armor or at least a shield, no weapon is truly suited for multiple opponents. If you would go against multiple opponents, even if you have trained all your life, the odds are against you. What the polearm will allow you, however will not be to defeat your opponents but to keep you alive for longer.
Besides what the Martells use on the show (have not read the books) is the Partisan, a very different weapon from the spear. Although somewhat similar looking to someone that doesn't know much about arms and armor, it is very different on use. A Partisan is a cut and thrust polearm, while the spear is a dedicated thrust polearm. One might think that the difference is too small, but consider this if you add more material(metal) to the end of the polearm making it long enough to have a blade on the end, instead of having a point. One you lose rigidity and now the point bends, because steel is flexible, so you lose thrusting capacity. Second, now you can also cut with your weapon, making you fight completely different as if you could only thrust with it. Third, now you have significantly more metal on the end of your weapon, making it heavier, which gives you more power but it will tire you quicker.
Now, perhaps in the books their weapons are stated as spears and this is a mistake from the showrunners. Or perhaps they thought they would look cool, if they had a blade at the end instead of a point. One thing is clear however, they have no idea of how arms and armor work. Like seriously, just look at Gendry's hammer, that makes less sense than the dragons. Not only it would be stupidly heavy but the area of contact is rounded and so big that renders all the weight useless. So it would be as heavy as an sledgehammer but with half of its effectiveness. Sorry for the rant.
Mind you, I am just an enthusiast, and even when i love researching about the subject I am bound to make mistakes. So if you see any, feel free to correct me. I am more interested on breaking misconceptions instead of being right.
That was truly interesting. I've noticed that with weapons & armor in fantasy type on screen productions or even in artistic renditions, they will go for style & what looks cool, not necessarily what is accurate or even possible by physics. Most female warrior costumes would be my go-to example of style over function.
yensid Or how armor is completely useless in Hollywood. Swords just cut through plate armor, mail, cloth, and whatever is used for costumes.
The warhammer Robert used was quite powerful and heavy, but Robert was also immensely powerful and muscular in his day and was a towering warrior.
As for the book spear it is closer to a polearm as Oberyn is a very agile and quick fighter.
Loved it. Though Oberryn was one of my favorites in the whole show
These videos are amazing! Pls continue to do more!!!
the editing and analysis in your GOT vids are outstanding!
Thanks so much Tessa!
They're SOOOOO underated!! I personaly love them, that's m'y favorite house!
Couldn't believe it when I found out that the actor who played Oberyn was in the first episode of season 4 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer "The Freshman".
I''m really enjoying this series! Excellent research and presentation.
The Martells played the strongest, most strategic game of thrones. They would have been a good match against House Lannister. Dorne would have taken at least 4 to 6 seasons to do the story justice.
House Martell has been my favorite house in the books and in the show one can only loathe them...so thanks, D&D
They are my favourite house in the books. How they were portrayed in show is not Dornish at all. Dorne is a formidable power. I will never forgive DnD for this. I hope when they make the prequels they have a story on Nymeria's wars so we can have an actual well developed story around Dorne.
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You guys are awesome to make these videos. Don't stop please.
Oberyn Martell is my champion. Forever and always.
I will never get over what they did to him or how his family collapsed after his death.
The North may remember . . .
But Dorne will never forget.
dude they should have done SO MUCH MORE with Dorne! such a loss, such an interesting house. No doubt ignored due to the show's sexism, misogyny, and racism.
I was waiting on this one! Such a shame what they did to them on the show based on what I heard about them from the books.
The caduceus isn't a symbol of medicine. It was the staff that Apollo gave to Hermes. The symbol of medicine is the Rod of Asclepius which is really similar in appearance (that's why people so often mistake one for the other). It is a single snake winding around a staff.
12:03 the caduceus is actually the symbol for commerce, trade and communications. The symbol for medicine is the *Rod of Asclepius* (a single branch coiled by a snake), this is a common misconception, even among medical professionals.
It's very near to Al-Andlusian culture of Spain.
yes, but the islam it isn´t the most equal religion...
oihan larrategi why are you assaulting Islam. Are you Islamophobic??? I didn't gave any statement can disturb others.
what?! I´m not islamophobic! I only said that in the islam the women are opressed(like in the christianity), I´m not assaulting anyone. In my opinion you have the reason, it is near al andalus because of the architecture, the clime and the cliche of the passionate spanish people, but the women weren´t so strong, and they didn´t accept the homosexual people. I will repeat it: I don´t want to assault anyone.
What the fuck happens to you? I didn´t insult anyone, I only said a truth. You are trying to say that the islam accepts the gays and gives as much liberty to the women as the martell do? go fuck yourself.
islam is a religion , the problem is those who practice it . they are some good and bad on all sides , we are humans , no matter what religion we belong to . we always use our ideologies to justify our acts . gays are humans as much as you and me , but some societies do not accept this kind of thing cause for them it's "wrong" . go search for books to read , you will find knowledge in books , not in the media . peace to all humans .
The TV Dornish plot was a joke. You can really see that it wasn't written by GRRM.
If I were given a choice about where I would like to live in westeros , I choose Dorne . I love the Martells
They ruined The Martells in the show. I’m so glad they were better in the books and more developed .
I only hear "Elia Martel. WHO GAVE YOU THE ORDER?!"
Thank you for saying that Cersie was snubbed by her betrothed. It is the second time the Lannisters were snubbed by the Targaryens. Per the mad king his children only marry those that are worthy. They do not marry servants
Okey but like this channel deserves sooo many more subscribers!
Great vid! I have been waiting for it 😊
Glad it was worth the wait :) Thank you!
My second favorite house in the books, the show did them no justice at all.
"Arguably the book's take is more interesting." There's no "arguably" about it.
Ive been waiting for this one
I'm sure I'm not saying anything new when I say that you guys deserve way more subscribers. Your videos are really really good!
Finally, never clicked so fast. Like first, then watch. xD
me too lol
Caduceus is not a symbol of medicine. You're thinking of the Rod of Asclepius.
I loved Oberon on the show, one of my favorite characters. I can't wait to get to those characters & the Dorne storyline in the books.
Yes another great video love these SO MUCH
- Egalitarian.
- Hot blooded.
- No stigma onto bastards.
Well it seems that the Martels are Venezuelan, then...
Finally! Do House Tully next!
I love the House of Martell! Please make a spin-off please... with princess Alleria and her siblings
Very good and informative video, awesome job!
House Tully Next Please 🤗 Also a video about the different religions would be totally cool
First!😊 I only liked oberyn, he's a really likable guy
also very killable it seems
The show Doran was basically what Arianne thought of him in the books.