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It would be amazing if you guys did a video on the life of Drew Barrymore. She’s opened up about it but it’s hard to get a concise story and i think you guys would really do her justice.
You guys should do a video on Twilight. Specifically Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson, and how they were treated then vs. now. The era of Twilight jokes/mocking was pretty similar to the Rebecca Black phenomenon.
What kind of a mother gives away her teen daughter's guardianship to a 26 year old man who is out there singing , doing drugs n what not . This is beyond me
I have a feeling money was involved that awful decision.
Boomers are still greedy today. They've been like that their entire lives. So many Boomer parents are so abusive to their children for their own personal financial gain. "Steven is rich, if my kid gets involved with him, I will be rich by association" is the thought process.
Someone who doesn’t deserve to be called a mother!
A POS
The "mother" was clearly a drug addict who sold her soul and her child for the almighty dollar Its despicable !! F@ck hard drugs !
That was human trafficking! Can’t believe he would even talk about this in a book, and her mother….sold away her child to a predator.
It wasn't trafficking, she could go away.
Not a chance, it was 100% legal. This woman was a willing participant. It was morally, 100% wrong. Tyler never attempted to hide this relationship.
Yes, it was totally wrong. She was using hard drugs before she met him. She was also sexually active before she met him. Tyler knows this was
wrong in todays culture, but sadly was the norm back in the 70's. The era is relevant to this story.
@@toddlavigne6441 That's more a feature of bad parenting than anything else. No loving and nurturing mothers and fathers allow their underage daughters to be sexually active and enticed to do hard drugs and you can't convince me that they were blind to what their children were doing. It's called parenting for a reason. If you don't lay any ground rules and give unconditional love and provide a stable and healthy home, then kids are going to look elsewhere for love and security. Unfortunately, they look in the wrong places.
@toddlavigne6441 Society deeming what's right and wrong is incorrect. Right and wrong transcends what rules humans make up and the consequences bare that out.
He’s absolutely repulsive in every way. I’m so happy she found love and was safe in that fire that he obviously caused.
In every way. How can anyone look at his face and have sex with that?🤮🤮
Yeah, kind of annoying the way they didn't address that in the video...... I'm aware that they can't say that he did that but come on. It's pretty fucking obvious.
Hes an old nasty
@@somethingclever2180 Had a abortion done on the girl while she was in the hospital for the smoke inhalation!
That fact that she survived this abuse and that fire is a testament to how strong she is, I hope she’s living a happy peaceful, life full of love ❤
Steven has been able to use his drug addiction as a scapegoat for his evil behavior. It's not a valid excuse I know plenty of addicts and they never did this sh*t
I'm an ex addict and I didn't wanna rape children, so...
Plenty of them do. I think it depends, to a certain extent, on the morals you brought into it and, to a certain extent, on how bad your disease is and what type of drugs you use. Still, if a person is underage or not consenting, the public needs to be protected, regardless.
Exactly 💯
@@sciencenotstigma9534 I think drugs are a correlation, not a causation. Plenty of addicts are not sexual predators. Addiction or no addiction is irrelevant to being someone who would commit a sexual crime. There are many common characteristics that people often develop during active addiction (victim complex, entitlement, lack of personal accountability, lack of boundaries surrounding what one would do to achieve their next hit, manipulation to not be held accountable for their sobriety or what they’ve done to fund their addiction, etc). Suddenly becoming a sexual predator is not one of them. If someone commits a sexual crime while in active addiction, they already issues with sex and consent before becoming an addict. It’s just used as an excuse. People in active addiction don’t just suddenly become sexual predators.
@@BabyBear046 There’s a lot of hard evidence that drug and alcohol use play a part in violent crime. They inhibit impulse control, and stimulants can actually cause sadistic fantasy and behavior. There are plenty of predators who are not drug users, too. So there are definitely drug users who do things they never do sober, and there are also predators who get drunk or high to use as an excuse, later. You absolutely have to look at a person’s history and behavior before and after drug addiction before assuming it was just the drugs. I know people who are completely different when sober, and people who offend no matter what. (I’m in the addiction treatment field). I agree with you on that point!
So many celebrities are idolised despite being morally vile people.
The fact he is confident/proud putting this stuff in his book shows how untouchable he believes he is.
These people should be punished for their actions but because of how much money they have and their connections they are immune to the law.
Ghislaine maxwell has been found guilty of child sex trafficking, I wonder if we will ever find out which celebrities were involved with that scandal and whether any of the victims will receive justice.
Well Epstein is still on an island!!! Tamara Desiree Magdalene the lioness of the Yeshua 2 channel had a video showing him on an island free!!! Disgusting! They don’t go to jail ever!!! They all worship the devil too! May God bless all the good people and I pray that the bad have a change of heart and turn to God to Jesus! Amen
Enough of this Me Too bs!These women leaped over each other to get at these rock stars.Every girl wants a bad boy till they realize put out or get...Its called the way the world works...Remember it was 60's and 70' s,remember free love and no bras and streaking?Oh ya half naked horney teenagers throwing themselves at Rockers...Me Too...my ass!Get over it party girls...no one forced you onto any of this.
@@bobpelley5093 yeah but what about when it involves minors? Even if they were ‘throwing themselves’ as these ‘rockers’ as the adults in the situation they shouldn’t have gone there.
Also the video basically shows how Steven Tyler became the poor girls guardian and then got her pregnant and basically coerced her into having a late term abortion…as a woman I’m not sure any of that is easy to just ‘get over’.
The woman didn’t even come out and speak about it until that creep decided to write a book about his disgusting behaviour.
Did you actually watch the whole video? Because if you did and you genuinely think it’s okay then that is very worrying.
It's like how Jimmy Savile wrote about kidnapping a young girl in his bio. They are just that arrogant. We need to stop idolising anyone.
@@bobpelley5093 SUS AF
I can't imagine being attracted to a 16 year old at 26. It's so messed up. I'm 28 right now and I would feel very uncomfortable dating anyone under 25. Things were different in the 70's, yes. But that didn't make it okay to mess with young girls!
Exactly! My Brothers would say “she’s cute, but no way! that’s “jail bait”
Lolol that’s cos you are female . It’s completely different if you are a man
My dad was a teen in the 70s and he loved these bands so much, he made us listen. If he were alive today, he would be absolutely gutted about the disgusting creatures they are.
It's the art that's important, not the artist.
Your dad is in hell lol
@@joeshoe6184the art is a direct reflection of the artist so you can’t separate one from the other.
@@carriebell3566 how do you react when you hear a song and don't know anything about the artist? Do you wait until you vet the artist to to have a reaction?
I was not prepared to find out "My mom sold me to [band]" was a real thing that happened.
That’s like a fanfic trope right?
@@Jojo13Lorin Yep! I don't know where it originated, but I mostly know it was a 1D fanfic trope.
Also manga trope, but yea it happened a lot apparently, at the very least even the parents consenting to their 16-17 year olds to getting married to an older man is just as questionable to me too.
Jerry Lee Lewis
Elvis
Just wait till you find out about the Ian Watkins case. Dont look into that if you don't have a VERY strong stomach though.
The saddest thing about this story is the complete lack of parental protection, the mother basically gave her young daughter away like she was a sack of potatoes. I wonder if she was paid. Sickening! It is amazing how strong and level headed she has turned out to be. As for him he is a narcissistic creep.
Human trafficking at its finest
The 1970s were very different from now.
Julia is a liar!
if? of course she was
@@CHart-hn3bw completely different circumstances and story.
He is sick person.
Thanks for bringing this stuff to light!
HE WAS A DRUG ADDICT… THIS IS WHAT DRUGS DO TO YOU MORON
He’s a monster for sure but, what kinda mother just hands her child off to a grown man?! The parents need to be help accountable too for not protecting their daughter
Exactly, I actually think Julia's mother is most responsible.
The Mother has been long dead. It's Steven Tyler who should be held accountable! And Julia us going to make sure he is held accountable...she just filed a civil lawsuit against him.
@@blondespitfiredead or not, what the mother did was criminal and negligent beyond belief, she is equally as guilty as Tyler.
You don't seen to get that predators exploit vulnerable people. She came from a broken home and he had no excuses getting involved with this underage girl.
Well my First boyfriend Michael O'Brien was 4years older than me he was 2 I was 15 and the lovemaking was incredible and he was good to me my parents didn't quite agree but didn't stop it I loved ithe was an incredibly proficient lover
i have been saying this so loudly for YEARS to anyone who brought up Aerosmith. the awful part is people normally say, “they were groupies, and the times were just different then.” not THAT different sickos, not different enough to defend having sex with a fucking kid. thanks for continuing to make great vids on the subjects that people need to know! cant wait for the next one!
Yes, SO TRUE!! The "it was a different time" excuse people use to justify literally all despicable behaviors is never correct. What this man did is not ok now, and was NOT ok then, it will NEVER be ok.
I agree with what he did being wrong, but please let's stop calling teenagers kids. The term young adult exists for a reason. Teenagers have all the desires of an adult but lack the experience only time gives to understand the ramifications. All the teen girls in my highschool courted the attention of older men.
@@lisettes.9598 Thank you for adding nuance to the conversation. It’s still exploitative, but not equivalent to ped0philia.
@@LoneWulf278 exactly.
I hate that saying so much "it was a different time" no babe it wasn't that different having sexual relations with children was still a crime. Anthony kedis (sp) front man of red hot chili peppers I read his book around 2008/09 and I noticed he had many many relationship with very young girls but talked about it in such a romantic way that it was seen as totally fine and "just how things were" that type of men twist things heavily to make it the child's fault not theirs.
Steven Tyler admitted to Rolling Stone that he was attracted to his daughter, Liv. Said Tyler, "How can a father not be attracted to his daughter, especially when she's a cross between the girl he married and himself?" He continued: "All a man has to do is be totally honest with himself and he can see it. However, the real man knows that's just a place to never go. Instead he celebrates it by telling his daughter how beautiful she is and what a precious child of God she is. There's ways to love it without making love to it - I wrote 'Janie's Got A Gun' about fathers who don't know the difference."
y'all... i'm gonna go vom now, brb
bro wth this man is sick
That's disgusting. People have always told me that I look like Liv Tyler. I found it very flattering. Now I just think about how much she looks like her dad, and it grosses me out. I like Liv Tyler, though; she can't help the fact that her dad is an absolute scuzzball. It just makes me grateful that I had such a wonderful dad who protected me. A huge part of a father's job is to protect his children. Men who sexually exploit their children should never be allowed to roam free. 😠 😡
Holy sht.
Well... it's gross but at least he didn't lay a hand on her (as far as I know) like some even worse fathers actually do.
I kind of get what’s he’s saying. No one wants to admit that it’s likely a common thing. For a father to see his gorgeous daughter becoming a woman and as a woman. It’s gross, yes, but I’ve been looked at and viewed that way by numerous uncles and male cousins. Sexualized and likely desired. It’s sick, but I bet it’s more common than we will ever truly know. At least Steven was being honest? 🤷🏻♀️
There are so many like Tyler in that biz …. Elvis was with a 15yr old Pricilla Presley. 15yr old Mandie Smith and a 40yr old Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones and the list goes on.God knows what poor Drew Barrymore’s mother did to that child dragging her 7yr old around Hollywood and taking her to clubs from the age of 7yrs old. It’s all pretty scary. And sadly still going on today.
I've been screaming about this for years ANY TIME someone would bring up Steven Tyler's name. Glad to finally have a good documentary to link people to.
This whole era was extremely questionable & lasted all the way up thru the hair metal years. There’s a reason Kurt Cobain & the grunge movement took off. People were tired of the creepy predator/misogynist/jock guy mentality that ran rampant in rock & then here comes this quiet guy who dated women his age & didn’t care that they weren’t conventionally beautiful & regularly called out his male fans whenever he saw them disrespecting his female fans. He had the Andrew Tates of the day seething lol.
Ironic because Kurt Cobain lists Aerosmith as one of his musical influences.
A lot of the grunge fans were playing at being 'alternative'. If you looked punk or goth they would scream insults at you while having Smells Like Teen Spirit blasting from their car. I honestly think one of the reasons why Cobain killed himself is that a lot of the band's fans were the kind of people who would have beat him up before he became famous. That has got to be a complete mind**ck.
Lol , how , much shit did Kurts wife take ? For not being what was “ expected “ of him again ? Right . A LIFETIME
Couldn’t agree more. Well said, well said.
I'm pretty sure he killed himself because his wife was a POS whore. That's what happens when you and circle are okay with that kind of activity.
Julia’s story gave me chills. What a strong, amazing, courageous woman; not only to go through what she has, but to come out the other side as an advocate for victims of sexual abuse.
@@justjeff3926 "I'm friends with more females than males"
Just say you're gay dude, it's quicker
I am just in disbelief...I never knew anyyy of this! So disgusting!
It makes me sick he never answered for his crimes and is celebrated on American idol and everything else
@@justjeff3926 agree sadly.
@@willowmalone9215 heartless
Steven Tyler is a brilliant example of someone who has allowed their shadow self to take full control.
You mean a demon? I’d say so.
@@ratso4443 no, because a demon would mean he's free from taking accountability. He himself has chosen to go down a dark path with his choices; not a demon. If you bathe in darkness long enough, you yourself will become the demon.
@m00ndweller you're dropping some wisdom
So Steven or his people tried to kill her, but wasn't expecting her resourcefulness and cleverness.
Honestly any man that goes after little girls… and then goes on to have a daughter? That scares the shit out of me.
My ex best friend. And 3 to 4 people warned his gf. She didn't listen...
Steven Tyler admitted to Rolling Stone that he was attracted to his daughter, Liv. Said Tyler, "How can a father not be attracted to his daughter, especially when she's a cross between the girl he married and himself?" He continued: "All a man has to do is be totally honest with himself and he can see it. However, the real man knows that's just a place to never go. Instead he celebrates it by telling his daughter how beautiful she is and what a precious child of God she is. There's ways to love it without making love to it - I wrote 'Janie's Got A Gun' about fathers who don't know the difference."
@@anishinaabae Eww
exactly the reason why I don't wanna have children at all😞 unfortunately the world is f*cked up beyond repairing, you never know who you're coming across with
@@anishinaabae oh my god…. That is so fking disgusting
it's insane how he denied her medical attention? she was pregnant? forcing late stage abortion... i can't imagine the pain. i wouldn't be surprised if the fire was intentional and he thought she would have a miscarriage??? allegedly. the fact he told her story in his book without any prior notice, using her name? omitting details that made him look bad? oh he is not seeing the pearly gates
I can almost guarantee that fire was deliberate. Him demanding an abortion afterwards should constitute as proof. I am no lawyer or judge, but anyone with critical thinking skills should recognize that "I nearly lost my partner and my unborn child in a fire. That child needs to be aborted while I do rails" is not a normal reaction from an innocent person. I don't think my neighbors with hard drug addictions (who did nearly cause a fire) would react like that; if anything, it would lead them to re-prioritize things after nearly losing that which cannot be replaced.
I am not shading people with addictions. I *am* shading two men from Aerosmith.
@@gypsywoman9140 don’t forget the whole aspect of the fact that Steven’s girlfriend (or fiancé at the time possibly?? That part was a little unclear. I’ve seen Julia Holcomb referred to/called Steven Tyler’s fiancé when this all happened, but it’s still a little unclear if they actually got engaged or not, even though Steven’s grandmother wouldn’t pass down her engagement ring to Steven to give to Julia bc she didn’t like or approve of Julia, nor did his father, for whatever reason!) and mother of his unborn child, Julia, was *actually a MINOR herself, was Steven Tyler’s UNDERAGED WARD…..& that Steven was officially & legally deemed & recognized as Julia’s LEGAL GUARDIAN during this time, when all this happened!!!*
That’s even *MORE TROUBLING* about this whole incredibly sad and messed up story!!
It definitely makes one wonder & seriously question if things were being done to Julia in an attempt to try to cause a miscarriage bc Steven realized how bad and serious of a situation this was?!? That even though he was super famous, rich, successful & powerful at the time (granted, he wasn’t at his peak of wealth, power & fame at the time! He & his other hand mates were just STARTING to amass their massive wealth, fame & power! They were still fairly new into their fame, the beginning of the career & the massive fame & success of Aerosmith, as they had only recently become a super popular band! But, they still had enough fame, money & power to be able to engage in all kinds of tomfoolery, getting away w all kinds of things the rest of us lowly peasants would NOT be able to bc they curried favour, had their arses kissed, were worshipped, constantly had ppl looking away from all sorts of things they were doing & were protected due to their fame, success, wealth & the power all those things bring, that the rest of us have no access to!!) that Steven was aware of just how much legal trouble he could find himself in by not only engaging in a romantic & sexual relationship w an underaged minor, but that he had deliberately sought out legal guardianship of said underaged minor w the main purpose and intention of being able to legally take her across state lines, from state to state across the country on tour w him so he could continue the “relationship”! Recognizing that even worse than that was the fact that while Julia was his underaged ward and Steven officially & legally designated & recognized by the law & government as her legal guardian, that Julia ended up pregnant by her legal guardian!!
Steven most likely recognized just how much trouble he could be in legally as a result of his deliberate and intentionally actions during all of this! I’m not sure if a date was mentioned when this all happened, but Roman Polanski was convicted of rape of an underaged minor and fled the USA as a result of his conviction & impending prison sentence in 1978. So, I’m wondering if maybe it was around the time Polanski was getting into serious legal troubles?!? That maybe the super wealthy, famous, successful & powerful celebs of all kinds, like Steven, were realizing at that time that even though their massive success, fame, wealth & power usually protected them and was basically a “get out of jail free” card 99% of the time, that there was still a limit to just how far that “get out of jail free” card would protect them?!? That there were certain things that crossed the line & it would NOT protect them…….getting caught red handed w an underaged minor being one of those things that crossed that line and could be the nail in their coffin!!
*A pregnancy is the most definitive way to get caught red handed in a sexual relationship w an underaged minor! Even worse when you have legal papers, leaving an actual paper trail, designating you as the legal guardian of the same exact underaged minor and the underaged minor being legally designated your legal ward!! All which you purposefully, deliberately and intentionally sought out & pursued said legal designation in order to be able to legally travel across the country, crossing state lines, on tour w said underaged minor in order to continue to carry out the illegal sexual relationship, in attempts to avoid getting arrested and finding oneself in legal trouble!! Oof!!* 🙄
and the worst part is hes admitting to it all and will face 0 consequence
@@twinkletoes6290 Their relationship had to be before the Roman Polanski stuff, I remember clearly in 1978 a few friends and I were hanging outside CBGBS talking about Cyrinda Fox just getting married to Steven Tyler. They met when Cyrinda was married to David Johansson from the New York Dolls, she divorced David and married Steven.
The reason I remember it so clearly is because while we were standing there talking Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungeon came stumbling out of CBGBS, she was screaming Sid's name, they were both really high and arguing and he slapped her across the face at one point. They stumbled around for about 20 minutes trying to get a cab, a lot of cabs went by without picking them up. I was only 18 myself, if I was older I would've said something when he slapped her but to be fair, she was punching and scratching him for awhile before he smacked her and then she immediately stopped and started crying and begging him to forgive her. I'm just stating what I saw, not making excuses for either of them. I saw them together a few times because a friend and I were staying at The Chelsea Hotel for a few days while they were living there.
All of that just to say I remember it was 1978 when Steven Tyler married Cyrinda. I guess some people would consider me somewhat of a groupie but I only had a thing with 1 lead singer for 2 years or so, who ironically went out with Bebe Buell about the same time I stopped coming around. Ish 🤐 (I did see the lead singer 1 more time around 1981 or so, went back to his hotel for awhile with some other people but I slipped away and went home when he wasn't looking... I always felt bad because he died a few years later)
The groupie lifestyle could be fun as long as you kept your head and didn't do drugs or drink or sleep with anyone just because they were in a band. Staying on the fringe of it all is one thing, thinking you're going to be Miss Groupie Supreme is foolish and will only end in heartbreak and or death.
@@gypsywoman9140 VERY well said 👍
The best rock star and teen girl story was when Don Henley had the cops come to his mansion to remove a 16 years old prostitute who overdosed and he claimed the HUGE near kilo amount of cocaine was hers, then wrote the song "Dirty laundry" a song trying to shame people calling him out for all of it.
From all I've read and heard, I've come to feel that Don Henley is one of the biggest a-hole douchebags in rock. The horrible way he and Frey treated Randy Meisner is just the tip of the iceberg.
oh ffs that sucks
There should not be a statute of limitations in SA. He should spend the rest of his life behind bars. I am glad she was brave enough to tell her story.
That would be great, but the reason there is a statute of limitations is because the burden of proof is on the accuser since everyone is innocent until proven guilty. After so many years there isn’t a lot of, if any, physical evidence of SA for the police to collect. If start arresting people without physical evidence, purely based on accusation alone-a lot of innocent people could be targeted a put in jail based on an accusation alone. Then it’s on them to prove their innocence, so our justice system becomes guilty until proven innocent. Lives could be lost and ruined without evidence of a crime ever having been committed.
Obviously she has tons of evidence on her side so it’s a shame she can’t pursue some justice. But generally this isn’t the case with old SA cases.
How is it okay to confess to sexually abusing someone you have legal guardianship over? The world accepts this. I don't understand.
Unless the victims step up as adults & make them accountable legally then nothing changes & they continue to get away with it
A large swath of the cultural icons are pedo-pervs. They will not let one of their own fall, especially if they're part of the establishment.
The police should look into this, doesn't matter if the victim reports him. He admitted crimes like drugs and sleeping with underaged kids he was a guardian of yet he gets away with it because he's famous
Tbh I dont think ppl think these bands are "good" morally somewhere in the back of our heads we know theyre bad but what can we do yknow?
The media and the legal system accepts it, the world doesn't and would tear him limb from limb if they met him (metaphorically, of course)
How could anyone bully a teen to take the life of their own baby? That's flatout evil. I hope she has had trauma counselling over the years.
Parents have done it for years
I thought one of his videos where he had a teenage lust interest was very creepy. It's even more relevant now. He is a child predator.
A case of child trafficking for the gratification of a man. Why hasn't the mother been held accountable? This child was plied with drugs, denied an education and basically used as a disposable toy.
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My dad took me to an Aerosmith concert when I was about 10 years old. I just watched this video with him, & we now both wish we never went. 🖤 From Australia
Joe Perry is a good musician, married family man as are the rest of the band.
They knew about his abusive behaviour and clearly supported it by continuing to be his bandmates.
@@charlottetaylor4471 Yes exactly. There are no excuses.
It amazes me that all these people put this stuff in their books and nobody says "hey that would be a really bad idea" to them at any point
Statute of bullshit limitations
They know people have celebrity worship.
There is a reason why Liv Tyler did not know that her father was Steven Tyler until she saw him on television and pointed him out to her mother and said hey mom he looks like me and her mother offhandedly mentioned oh yes that’s your father. I’m sure her mother did not tell her sooner because of all of the reasons in this video and more. 🤦🏽♀️
Omgosh I forgot this. I guess they became friends tho
I read that it was actually seeing Steven’s other daughter Mia that made Liv piece it all together, not necessarily seeing Steven himself.
@@Pinkles666 Well I very well may stand corrected then, that being said though her mother still was not very forthcoming with her father‘s origin story 🧐🫣
@@lilyhawk3031 for a good reason it seems
I'm pretty sure Livs mother claimed that Todd rundgren was her father for a long time. Then Aerosmith had that big comeback and was rolling in money again. Hhhmmmm
Thanks for putting this one (documentary) out there. "At that age I was too foolish to understand the danger I was in." There are millions of young girls out there with sketchy home lives who need to be mentored/protected instead of just shoved off the school bus and out to the concert of life. Let's work on it people.
This channel is my new favorite. I was never into celebrity stuff but man y’all do such a great job.
the normalization of sleeping with groupies is so disgusting that’s not rock and roll that’s jail time worthy behavior
Absolutely!!
Powerful men abusing their power. These disgusting bastards deserve to rot.
Banging groupies ain't the problem. It's the underage things
Umm....so the Groupies can't choose who they have sex with?
You are a fool if you think women were not absolutely onboard with hooking up with Rock Stars.
Most of them were just as gross as the guys banging them .
Why must women always been seen as " the victim of men " ?.
What bullshit.
Cough cough Davey vanity
This is honestly the most HEART BREAKING story. My heart goes out to her. Literally what a monster
As someone who lived in Sunapee, and still live right next door, I can tell you most people around here adore him. The only ones that don't, seem to be people who personally knew him. I never really understood the obsession, but I think a lot of it is just because this is a really tiny, rural area and he's like the only really famous person to come from here, and still comes around.
Unreal. Thank you for covering this. It’s all so incredibly shocking.
It's no unsolved mystery.
He lost interest, left her behind with no financial support, let her go hungry (probably hoping the stress and starvation would lead to a miscarriage) and then his buddy shows up, she suddenly loses consciousness and wakes up to a fire, trapped inside. Then instead of being relieved the unborn baby that he'd wanted and Julia were okay, he's suddenly demanding an abortion.
I think it's pretty obvious what happened. The evidence is in the information, and especially in the forced abortion. A loving person who nearly lost their unborn child and partner to a fire wouldn't immediately demand an abortion. It seems pretty obvious he was hoping the fire would kill them both. "Allegedly" "No proof" "Other legal coverings of my ass" 😉👍🙏
THANK YOU!!! When I got to this part I thought the same thing!!! I was shocked that there was no investigation even mentioned on how the fire started. It all just seems so fishy, like you said, how he was more concerned about the abortion than he was concerned about the well being of his fiancé and unborn child who just survived a fire. To me it more sounds like he went to plan B because plan A didn’t work…
Steven Tyler is a c you next Tuesday. I’d slap him in his floppy lips.
This was attempted murder. Her lawsuit just may blow the lid off. His money and fame bought him silence. Until now that is.
Well that’s exactly what it looks like! He tried to kill her and the baby!
@@susanyeadon6657 So she’s suing the pig? I hope so and I pray she wins big time.
I have always wondered if a part of his subconscious was talking when he wrote the song "Janie's Got a Gun". The song first caught my attention when I was a child being sexually abused myself, and it made me love Aerosmith for the seeming empathy in it. Then I learned about his teenage bride and wonder how many other kids he's damaged.
I hope you've managed to do a little healing although what happened to you is monstrous, you are a survivor. Proud of you.
your instincts are dead on. here's a quote he gave to rolling stone:
"How can a father not be attracted to his daughter, especially when she's a cross between the girl he married and himself?" He continued: "All a man has to do is be totally honest with himself and he can see it. However, the real man knows that's just a place to never go. Instead he celebrates it by telling his daughter how beautiful she is and what a precious child of God she is. There's ways to love it without making love to it - I wrote 'Janie's Got A Gun' about fathers who don't know the difference."
@@anishinaabae Jesus😬🤮
@@anishinaabae sounds like Trump and Ivanka. That's out for the whole world to see , all the more noticeable when he became president.
@@chickentender4037 such a BS statement 👎🏻
Thank you for bringing light to this dark story. I'm looking forward to what else is to come in the future
Yesssss! I’ve been thinking about this type of dive for so long! So glad I found this channel! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I learned about this about a year ago and Steven wasn't the only one to adopt a Groupie. Don't take a genius to figure out how that fire started and I haven't looked at him the same way since I learned about this.
Jimmy Page straight up kidnapped his child-bride and locked her up for a few years.
She was a teen victim!
The Satan lover Jimmy Page had Lori Maddox. Bowie probably had someone too. They all disgust me.
One more conspiracy theorist
I read an article about this years ago and have been waiting for it to become public knowledge. So glad you are bringing more awareness to this story!
Same here but I forgot where I read it
Been around for years. Not just this piece.
So wild you did an amazing documentary here!!! Thank you.
These videos are so so well done. The way they are put together and the information 🤯
I know her. His exposure for his own autobiography a decade ago was so wrong. He exploited her twice in one lifetime. He ‘didn’t give two shakes off a lambs tail” about dragging her back into the limelight for her adult children to find out about
Amen
Exactly. He just decided to name her without her consent, not even thinking about how it would affect her. He’s a piece of sh*t
HE'S DISGUSTING.
I remember a years ago Steven was on James cordens show and they were playing a game and James asked him if it was true that he has flirted with his daughters friends and he said yes and I remember the crowd just thought it was so funny and they cheered and laughed. I don’t think it’s cute or funny that a man in his 70’s hits on very young women that are his daughters age especially given his history and the fact he had a 16 yr old girlfriend (a kid) at 26 years old.
Brilliant video...thank-you.I've subscribed.
Woah, excellent job on this Deep Dive team
He sings about his gross behavior too. Douces Are Wild is one of them. It's also extremely upsetting to find out what he did with the daughter from the band the mamas and papas; she talks about it in a documentary. That doc was the first time I found out what a sicko Steven was. So much of this stuff flies under the radar to those not on the scene; for those who are, it's an open secret.😡
No man was a friend to Mackenzie. She went through so much when she was barely old enough to understand what was going on; that by the time she did, it was 'normal.' 😢 I can't imagine what Steven has done to other women who were girls at the time.
What’s the doc??
What happened? I haven’t heard anything specific in regards to Mackenzie and Steven. I just know about the disgustingly sad thing between her and her father, and something between her and Mick Jagger.
Just looked up the lyrics to Deuces Are Wild and OMG the chorus is insanely disgusting! Crazy how pedophilic lyrics were so common place and overlooked back then. 🤢
@@Sharontate666 Pamela Des Barres! She actually comes here every year and comes to the James dean festival :)
@@hannahkelsey5660 tell her I've used her " he's good, but he's no Mick Jagger " line many times. Love Pamela!
I would watch an entire series on the pure nastiness of these “rock n roll” men. There’s so much. Once you see it, you cannot under it. Great job! 👍
They're so idolized, to this day, including by people young enough to be their great grandchildren. A person who was victimized by one of them is never safe from seeing and hearing people go on about how incredibly wonderful they are, how inspiring, how creative. No, it's not creative to hurt and abuse children.
@@Cat_Woods your are spot on. Add it to the “that’s just the way things were back then” file. I got in-depth w this all about 5 years ago. And believe me, I really use to love classic rock metal etc, I can’t even stand to hear much of any of it anymore.
@@peacanpie8291 It's a mixed bag for me, too. Some things genuinely trigger nostalgia. Other things result in unexpectedly having to leave the room.
Not "men"...MONSTERS.
@@JD-Defenders that is definitely a more fitting noun.
I love what y'all do!! Keep up the good work
Oh this is twisted 😳. Great job putting this all together.
Ted Nugent also became a guardian to a 17 year old girl. This story is terrible and I hope Julia now has found some measure of peace.
@@kelleydeclue4100 with how he still treats women, I highly doubt he will ever change. Most predators don’t.
@@ardenalexa94 just how do you know how he treats women now, are you his personal assistant or something? I went down this morbid rabbit hole like the rest of y'all, but I can't say for certain he acts like that now I pray he sees the error of his life and readjust what he has done. If he hasn't already.
Funny how Nugent is the only one out of literal hundreds from the 60's-through-80's rock scenes that is CONSISTENTLY brought up for his past actions. I guess all you have to do to be relatively protected from the light being shined on you is either have the right political views or don't mention your views at all...
Prince also became guardian of a young dancer in his band Her name is Matye her mother sent a video of her to him belly dancing she became part of his band and he became her guardian so he could tour she was 16 at the time…later he married her and she became pregnant but they lost the child a week after birth ..she became pregnant again but miscarriaged not long after that he divorced her
Her parents also approved their relationship.
Woody Allen married his stepdaughter. He helped raise his wife & abused his adopted daughter, Dylan.
So thankful this beautiful lady got out! Happy to hear she's been blessed with all her beautiful children! Thank you for telling your story.
And the fact that he can be so open about all of this is bewildering like people dont really talk about it
Strawberry fields = Ghislaine Maxwell
had the exact same thought
the fire definitely sounds intentional. i mean, what happened in that period of time between her letting him in and her waking up in that fire? he never took her shopping, so he obviously came for other reasons. steven must have wanted that baby gone and figured killing her and the baby would solve everything. it was obviously the first thing on his mind when she woke up in the hospital. it was so inconsiderate of him to put her through something so traumatic. who the hell forces a women who wants to have the child, to abort it? thats so beyond selfish. i just cant with this story. steven is one of the worst kinds of people
This was my question as well, what happened that she didn't remember anything between him showing up and the fire. She's leaving something out.
He had his friend set the fire and bolt the locks on the door to make sure she couldn’t escape. That’s exactly what it looks like.
@@christar9527 yes. it can't be anything else, it's wild that this is just.. known and yet he's walking around
it's even more fucked up that he forced her to get pregnant in the first place
Please do more rock n roll deep dives I absolutely loved this one
Very well done!
Wow! I never knew Steven Tyler was so cruel and disgusting! I'll never view him the same ever again 🤨 I'm very sorry to Miss Holcomb for what Steven put her through, what an asshole!
I used to know someone who was a huge Aerosmith fan and had a crush on Steven Tyler. She said she didn't know much about his life, other than that he used to have a drug problem. If she knew all the other details, I think she would have had second thoughts about him!
One story a lot of people don’t know is how rob Lowe the very popular actor was caught with a video of him with a teenager. I’d love if someone talked about that. Everyone forgot
He is a liberal Democrat so folks gave him a pass.
Yes everyone forgot he must be a Democrat
@@dianabrownburchfield302 that shit happened at the Democratic convention in Atlanta when Dukakis was running for POTUS
@@justjeff3926 I didn't say it didn't. I distinctly remember the story and time and place.
@@justjeff3926 I 'm referring to Hollywood.
Hollywood gives you a pass as long as you make money for them and say the " right" things...Woody Allen, Weinstein, Polanski ,Cosby, etc.
Thank you for talking about this
I'm so glad everyone is realizing how evil these Hollywood people are
This was frightening, this woman is so brave and courageous, she lived hell with that predator who has no morals 🤢. He leaves her with trauma, this man is disgusting ! Unfortunately, I'm sure many people in the industry knew it but didn't say anything... It's sickening 😤
Poor woman I hope she found peace and happiness 🍀🕊
I want to be shocked but this is so common in the industry. That "den mother" was p*mpin those little girls. And they always go for the girls with troubled homes because there's a lack of parental guidance from the parents. They always pick the vulnerable ones. They took advantage of Julia (I'm sorry that fire seemed like they were trying to get rid of her), but I'm happy she got out and was able to recover. Love your videos, you guys really "deep dive" 🤣 ( corny pun, I know lmao)
I said the same thing about the fire. It super convenient (for Steven) that fire happened the day that someone was supposed to take a pregnant teenager grocery shopping. I think that he was over playing house with that poor child and he wanted her gone.
I really believe he was hoping she would go home when he left her there with no food or money. When not only did she not leave but dare to ask for some food I think he planned that fire.
100% seems like they were trying to get rid of her yep. Seems like they bolted up the front door and made it stick, then started the fire near the only other exit before letting themselves out. I guess they drugged her pretty badly for her to not remember any events beyond opening the door.
Great video! :D
Thanks Deep Dive for these eye-opening videos, please keep up the great work of bringing these stories to light. There are so many injustices here. Poor Julia, she was completely used, abused, and thrown away. Like so many other young girls back then, and sadly so many young girls today, NOW, this minute, this second. Every second, crap like this is happening somewhere and there’s rarely any justice. How did Steven not face any child endangerment charges or jail time as her legal ward for leaving her alone, penniless, starving, and in a fire left for dead? Oops I forgot also impregnating his underaged “daughter”? Oh right… he had money and fame, and basically people just didn’t care enough. This POS bragged about this openly, IN WRITING in his book because he knows people don’t care enough to do anything about it. Makes me sick! When is it ever going to stop? When will these sicko’s pay for their actions and be held accountable?
Was NOT expecting a Deep Dive video today! Love your content!!
He’s so gross and no one ever talks about this because of how charismatic he is.
That and the fact that if it was talked about ALL that were involved in shit like that, execs, staff etc would be exposed...I'm sure a lot of them are in high powered positions and have been able to use NDAs and pay people off like Weinstein used to...disgusting shit...and the girls parents too...effectively pimping your child...
For some reason I never liked Steven Tyler, he seemed creepy to me. Know I know why. That poor girl.
Charismatic? No he comes across as a narcissist
@@Suzismymom He has creepy and narcissistic written all over him. Stories such as this one don’t really surprise me with him.
@@christar9527 he definitely creeps me out! I find nothing attractive about him at all, he has that junkie aura around him that would have me walking in the other direction. I've been watching a channel here that is all about narcissistic people, it's a diagnosed narcissist who runs the channel, he talks about ways to get away from narcissistic sponges like ST. (H.G. Tudor is the channel for anyone who wants to know how to deal with narcissists)
Back on topic, Tyler seems as if he's in that huge evil club a lot of Hollywood people and huge rock stars end up in, which my conspiracy mind links sacrifice when it comes to the baby and the weirdness of the fire. Famous people can keep their deals with evil, I want no part of them.
Thank you for helping thousands of people to rethink their criteria of what an idol should be like.
Holy shit the woman who ran the little O Annie club sounds like a Ghislaine Maxwell.
When I heard about the induced labor abortion she had to go thru I cried. Omg that's so traumatic. I know first hand how traumatic abortions can be, si to experience something like that, in that circumstance is heartbreaking. I hope she's doing OK ❤️
Check out her pro-life speaking to groups. She goes into more detail.of the the lifelong trauma it did to her. Absolutely heartbreaking!
And put her under so when the baby was out she would hear or see anything concerning that child..i felt that fire was to definitely end her life.
It was a satanic sacrifice For his fame
@@katjay3125yet he thanks God, and speaks to God. So many ppl say they are good and religious but they are full of shit. Some of the kindest people I ever met wore the devil on their shirts. Some of the most evil rape kids after they preach Sunday church
If you come across any more stories like this the world needs to know. Thanks for posting.
Thank you so much for making this video! I had no idea this happened and it’s honestly one of the most horrific stories I’ve ever heard and I listen to a ton of true crime. This story needs to be told because WTF Steven Tyler who the hell do you think you are?! My heart goes out to that young lady and everything that she’s gone through!❤
He broke so many laws you would think he would be able to be tried for them? I wonder if it’s just been so long it’s past the statue of limitations?
Thank you for a quality video on a subject that many people would like to ignore
I used to think he was cool, now , knowing this girl's story, i just think he's grotesque. She was a minor, star struck, and he ruined her. There were plenty of other women of adult age, but he wanted a minor he could abuse and manipulate. Get them while they are young and these girls think its normal.
so glad i found this channel. ur production value is extremely professional
I agree; great work!
right like a whole netflix doc
It’s good to know THANK YOUUUU 💕🙏😘🌹♥️
In the span of a week you guys have become my favorite UA-cam channel. Thank you for covering these deep dives and thank you for portraying these sickos like the predators they really were…
I read this book when it came out & I was about 14/15. I remember being really jealous of these girls & everything & just being obsessed with him. I found the book recently & remembered a lot of those details & got rid of it. I dunno how it didn’t get more attention when it came out. Or maybe I was too young to see it.
I remember reading Anthony Kiedis' book Scar Tissue at 14 and feeling excited because I thought he would go for me at that age. So sad 😞
Honestly it's pretty common for underage teenagers (regardless of gender) to be crushing on adults because they don't know better. But it's always the adult's responsibility not to lay a hand on them because they're children.
@Grande181 ‘does the noise in my head bother you’
This is so sad. I feel so so very sorry for that woman. She went through unimaginable trauma due to Stephen Tyler 😫
We all go through hardships… because of life/or people.
@@Fckyourfeelingsboo don't be an ass.
@@Fckyourfeelingsboo"we all sing," Come on. 🤦♀️
You have to admit, not many people, let alone teenagers, are able to live through the hardships of getting drugged and having their apartment lit on fire while they're unconscious inside it, all while being pregnant and starved. She went through some shit, it's incredible that she came out alive.
@@softbunny6403 Yeah she went through a little bit in her younger years & she’s thriving now. What I’m saying is we all have a story. Just when you think you have it rough… remember somebody always has it worse.
@@Fckyourfeelingsboo don't downplay someone's trauma. That's disgusting. We are humans and we have every right to feel things. Her story is a tragic story and we are very well allowed to say that. None of this "someone has it worse" bullshit.
Steven Tyler's solution to statutory laws was the same as Nabokov's Humbert Humbert, in Lolita. He adopted her. He is a monster.
we need a part two
we need to defend "groupies" !!!! these predators need to go to jail
Um so personal accountability doesn't exist? I've been invited to several after parties and trailers of famous rap artists and musicians and I declined all the offers because I knew what really happened at those parties.
@@lisettes.9598 But these were young underage girls who were starstruck and followed these bands and did not know they were in the danger they were entering when it came to the world of rock n roll .Most of them probably came from broken homes or parents who don't make aware to their children to avoid these men .
@@niccole3542 we are all aware of red flags. We just choose to ignore them hoping for the best and then adopt the surprised Pikachu face when bad things happen to us
@Carina stop it. I remember being 13 and wanting the older boys attention while knowing, and being told several times by others, that it was a bad idea. Yes, personal accountability does exist, even when you're a teenager and bad things happen to you. Very few people in this world are perfect victims who didn't play some kind of role in their victimization.
@Carina there is such a thing as putting yourself in harms way. The world will never be rid of predators. It's up to you to live in such a way as to minimize harm. Like not getting completely inebriated in an area full of strangers, or ever. Not partying with a bunch of GROWN strange men when you have no experience or ability to protect yourself.
By far one of my all time favorite channels on UA-cam. The work yall do is insane & i am so happy to be here for it. Same with BJ !! Much love yall ❤️🩹
Love you mean it!!
@@ThatSurpriseWitness 😭 you're the best. ❤️🩹
I second (or would that be third...?) that!
thk you so much for just laying the truth out there and not hidding certain things out,this story needs to spread and get out there ,people need to see the truth and stop falling for the lies they feed them
Had no idea about this story! So gut-wrenching imagining the evil that was forced upon in so many ways so quickly!!!!
I had never heard anything about this. Great job very professional and you bring authenticity. Really good dive/doc
That is absolutely disgusting. How can a monster wearing a feather and having a mouth as wide as a river, live with himself. He sat there snorting coke while the baby that he had ordered to be murdered was brought in to the world. It's sickening. That poor unfortunate young girl who fell for his fame and persona had no clue that this awful excuse of a man would torture her by insisting that she allows him to make the choice to murder a poor innocent little baby. The only saving grace for the girl was the injection that put her asleep.
My heart is going out to her. Having to relive this period of her life that she thought was way behind her. Only for it to be brought to the public because he wanted to put a name to the face of the girl in the photos with him. Once again he is calling the shots and bringing a spotlight on a time that he acknowledges, but somewhat skewed in his memory.
The world of entertainment is a slime pit, filled with creeps and degenerates who fulfill their sick desires with too
often girls who foolishly believe that they will be the one to conquer the world of the " star".
Only to discover that they probably won't even know their names.
This is a brave woman who has finally come forward to tell her truth. For the bravery that she has shown, I applaud her. I'm delighted that she could tell her side of the story, without leaving the crucial information out.
@master Chris not THAT different. Sht's horrific.
@master Chris It's evil. No matter the times, baby. Sick.
Abortion was the right thing to do. She couldn't take care of it
@@byronfoppola8676 What kind of warped mind thinks that it's okay to murder a baby? I don't know if you have any idea what a baby at 20 weeks in the womb looks like, but the baby is an actual baby.
I personally don't agree with abortions, but that is my opinion. But at 20 weeks, the baby is formed.
This poor woman was forced to have an abortion. As for your logic that she couldn't look after " it " anyway. How do you know that she wasn't able to look after the baby.? Even if she wasn't financially capable of supporting the baby, there are thousands of couples who for various reasons cannot physically have their own babies, the baby could have been well looked after and loved by people who could and would love the opportunity to be parents.
Please don't try to minimise the facts. I don't know how the woman has been able to get through life with this horrendous memory haunting her mind. But I really hope that she has found her own real love somewhere along the way.
I've heard he told her later after baby was born alive, he watched how they killed him. This guy is demonic
Someone said to me sounded like blood sacrifice so the band would stay on top. Planned to.
Wow!!! I’m so glad she told her story!!
In the 70s I was used to carry drugs...I was bounced up and down I5 like a yoyo. I had a baby face, and one of my regular jobs was delivering cocaine to the Paramount theater on Broadway in Portland. I always met with the stage manager, Ray, in his office. I had strict instructions to never go "upstairs." The stairs beyond his office was the dressing rooms. I never went there. I'm grateful for that rule. I only stayed backstage for one concert.
Wow, when it got to the part about the fire and the baby i was shaking. That is truely evil! what he did to that poor woman and baby. He should be locked up. He blatantly tried to have her killed and successfully killed his own child. What a monster!
You, conspiracy theorists... he never tried to kill her.
I can honestly say; I’m so grateful I didn’t fall into an obsession or mentality of such to be worshiping these “celebrities”. Seeing what ppl go thru because of their obsessions is amazing to witness.
I walked out of an Aerosmith concert once. Tyler was too drunk or high to walk across the stage without falling over.
@@dianevanderlinden3480That was pretty normal for Tyler.
Unbelievable ! I’m just in total shock
A friend of mine took off with the Band Flock of Seagulls in the 80’s …we didn’t hear from her for weeks…. We were in Highschool at the time only 16 or 17 years old… I went home after the concert.. didn’t want to get grounded! (I am from Texas). This story made my skin crawl… what a horrific thing to happen to a young girl. For Tyler to continue to mention her is disgusting. He should be ashamed … attempted murder is what it sounds like.
Did she return ? What happened to her ?
@@tasha1357I could be wrong, but I assume someone finally heard from her after a few or several weeks.
MORE ROCK DOCS!! THESE ARE GREAT!
They straight up tried to murder that girl.
Well done and so true. In my wilder days, I saw such horribleness that I was glad I broke away. Many so-called singers and bands were just not happy and did drugs to escape their lives. As it is written comes to rob, steal and destroy.