LET'S TALK ABOUT NU METAL! Featuring Kittie's Morgan Lander | LAST WORDS
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2020
- Everyone's got an opinion on nu-metal, especially all of us at The Pit. So this week on Last Words, we decided to talk to someone who was actually there: Kittie vocalist Morgan Lander. The crew discusses what happened with the genre, who the best and worst bands were, and why it was and is so polarizing.
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Hell yeah I do!!!
I've had a crush on Morgan since my senior year of high school in 2000. Thank you for having her on!
SAME. Thanks for watching ❤️
Class of 2000 represent!
I just turned 21, found nu metal when i was just a kid because of my uncle, kittie, korn,slip, deftones, limp bizkit, linkin park, static x , coal chamber, primer 55.. all those guys, I love them. Being 21 im the only one in melbourne australia who walks around with jncos and kittie tees LMAOOOOO
My band takes a lot of inspo from these guys, we bringing nu metal back
Fuck yes
I second that fuck yes....bring the band too Perth haha 🤘
Kittie came in as a "nu metal" band but they quickly broke away from that and created their own sound. I've loved them since day 1 and always will
Same here. "Oracle" and "Funeral For Yesterday" were amazing albums!
Nothingface's An Audio Guide To Everyday Atrocity is one of the top 10 definite nu albums. Ridiculously underrated band.
Fuck yeah!! Nothingface was so fuckin amazing!
Hell yeah.. Nothingface is criminally underrated.
‘Spit’ has nu-metal elements as well as punk, metal, goth... ‘Oracle’ was a straightforward metal album, and then you get to ‘In the Black’ which is the BEST Kittie album and their last full length release which are full of elements of thrash, doom, sludge/stoner rock, and the black metal-esque vocals. The guitar riffs/solo, drumming, bass, and vocals are such a 180 from their debut album it’s insane. And no band has progressed as much as Kittie IMO, and Morgan’s vocals have matured more than any I’ve heard. If you watch their live set from ‘99 and then their live DVD from 2017 and it’s enough to make you soil yourself lol 😂
Amazing episode- you guys get along great and I laughed my ass off almost the whole time. Thank you for the entertainment and having the Queen Ms Morgan Lander on with you guys 💜
Morgan Lander was my idol when I was a teen. 😭❤️
Girl same 🥰
I love Nu-Metal! So many fantastic bands that are no longer around or have moved on from that genre. I love that there is a revival with bands like tallah, tetrarch, Guerrilla warfare, motionless in white, new Static X ,and Omerta just to name some. I believe Nu-metal was created not just as a rap metal genre but that certain sound where you had this as yall said bounce yes but also a certain aggressiveness you didnt really have in death metal, hardcore metal, power metal, etc. It was emotional, aggressive, moving sound. and many of these bands were just focused on the rhythm of the sound. That was one thing i love about new metal is that you have this powerful message without any break with a random solo but this sick breakdown where you can just go into yourself and get crazy. bands like korn, limp bizcuit, nothing face, static X, deftones, early kittie, mushroomhead, motograter, mudvayne etc all brought this crazy emotion to the music that only some bands could have pulled off back then. even the less popular bands that i think helped push the genre into alot of metalcore style bands have grown from. kittie last two albums were very metalcore, power metal style, Spineshank's singer created silent civilian, slipknot even has grown from there more simple format into this nu metalcore band. It is exciting to see what the future holds for nu metal and maybe we will see a new wave of spiked hair, all black wearing, kids with pants too large for the washer. Exciting times
Alot of people still think nu metal means rap metal which is totally wrong, rap nu metal is just a subgenre of the genre such as industrial nu or alternative nu "which is often more melodic"
Also Bands like Skrape, dry kill logic were purely great but they didnt get the recognition they deserved, their first album deserved to go platinum and represnt the genre of nu metal "none of them has rap"
Drowning pool is also a great band and didnt get what they deserve after their first album and death of their original vocalist, they didnt go soft/pop but remained pretty decent with a heavy/agressive/melodic sound from their second album to their lattest album Hellelujah 2016, its true they changed vocalist 4 times but each one was great
Soheib kidouche agreed up until drowning pool. 1st album was great. 2nd album was eh, everything with the singer from soil was soil w a different name. Sorry not a fan lol. Love dry kill logic.
Nu Metal was never a dirty word for me. I love it and always will. I miss Jnco! Maybe not the crazy big ones but the brand was awesome. Sure there's a bit of Nu Metal that hasn't aged well but for the most part it was one of the most interesting and important parts of metal period. Plus it was the most financially lucrative times in metal and was at the forefront of the mainstream. Never was there a time where metal had so many unique vocalists. Sure there are much more skilled vocalists from before and after but now days the vast majority of singers sounds the same.
I love Morgan Lander. She's very nice person and her art is amazing
I don't care what you label them, but Kittie is one of the most underrated bands.
Fuck the labels....it's METAL!!
Awwww, it’s Morgan! What a beautiful person!! I’ve always loved the way she carried herself. Shes a such leader, and very smart and intelligent and ambitious! AND super talented!❤
They stood out because their style was groovy and heavy but not cheesy. I still have the first album and video cassette. Canada's metal band export is top tier lol. 🤘
Maybe nu-metal was more of a time period of metal rather than an actual style of music
It was def a style
It was definitely a style of music. When Korn came up with the first few albums it was unique then everyone else copied them, not just musically they even copied their mannerisms you know the low guitars, bending knees, having that idiotic look on your face(it was cool when Korn did it) even bands like Machinehead copied them. It started becoming formulaic. It was and is a style.
NO.
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Great video, Morgan is always a really cool guest! I'm 40 and have seen tons and tons of metal bands over the years, including some nu metal ones : I only ever saw Kittie once (on their tour for "In The Black", I believe) and they. fucking. crushed. it. Waaaay better than the majority of nu metal bands, and one of the best metal bands period, imho.
Love you man same age... I remember, I literally ran to but spit the album. The best uss$ 20 dollars at that time. With sticker patlrentsl advisory. Featuring brackish Charlotte and paper doll. Enhanced CD.
Hahaha I had a hand in this. Mercedes and I were both sitting together as the bands were discussed:)
I've never understood the stigma that got attached to nu metal. It was always being pushed by the music media, and people allowed it to stick in their heads, which in itself, is an incredibly UN metal thing.
I still think the first Kittie album is the best sounding and most enjoyable, and I'd love to see them go back to their roots for one more album
@shreddherring. I think to better understand Nu-Metal you need to look at what was happening before Nu-Metal came to be and what it’s influences was.
In the very late 80’s and early 90’s there was a ton of bands coming up that were doing different sounds, you had the Funk bands like King’s X, Faith No More, RHCP, Mr Bungle, 24-7 Spyz, Primus, Living Colour, Mordred, Ignorance, Jane’s Addiction, and Scatterbrain, during that time you had the early rap groups like Run DMC, NWA, Beastie Boys, House Of Pain, and Wu Tang.
You also had Grunge and Sludge coming up like Melvins, TAD, Fudge Tunnel, Nirvana, Babes In Toyland, L7, Hole, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Gruntruck, and My Sister’s Machine.
There was Groove Metal, Industrial, and crossover stuff happening like Pantera, Sepultura, Prong, White Zombie, Fear Factory, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Biohazard, Helmet, Quicksand, and Life Of Agony.
All of these bands and sounds would influence Nu-Metal.
What a great interview 😁 Love Morgan!
Nu Metal changed Metal, it had its perfect perspectives on Sound and all That, as A Huge fan Of Metal I do admit I really do love Nu Metal Bands, no matter what anyone says 🤘🏽🏆🔥🔥🔥
I'm still proud of the fact that I made the first Kittie fan-site. There was a feature in the left frame called "Outrageous Guestbook Entries" of a bunch of assholes posting VERY VERY derogatory things about the girls in my guestbook, that were 16 or 17 at the time, just terrible, terrible stuff. Kittie will always be one of my favorite bands. I was 17 when I put up that webpage, I'm 41 now.
Morgan is one of my all-time favorites!! KIttie was a game-changer around the turn of the century. I still destroy stuff in my old age when Brackish comes on...
Always had a lot of respect for Morgan and Kittie. Always classy and well spoken.
Nu-Metal is a genre I became a fan of back in 1998 when I was around 9/10 years old, while I didn’t really wear the fashion, I was a fan of the music
When I saw Doc I exclaimed "I know him!" I met doc back when he was in God Forbid. He has good viewpoints. Super, super great human being. I love ya man! 🤘
Was in alabama when you where in 2001...and have always loved you and morgan... these new kids are catching up to me and jincos yes always lol btw I'm a cop and a corrections officer and your music always helped me calm down when I had 7 days of just fighting it helps to have kittie in my head and I can play in my off time so thank you and Morgan so much..
Trying to send you my tattoos from Southside Birmingham alabama with your logo your autograph and Morgan's autograph so send me a message we all used to have numbers but you remember how bad the phones where.... and you mercadies went off on American heD charge they threw blood on us and you got pissed..lol so cute
This was fun!!
i’m one of those teens who found kittie maybe a year ago -and i have to say -even the fashion that morgan is questioning is highkey been back and going through trend cycles
Haha it hella is! Good looks lol😎
I LOVE MORGAN!!! 🖤❤️💀
Sevendust, Kittie, Shuvel tour circa 2000ish… Shuvel’s only single- “Set It Off”.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE BEST IN EVER “NOTHINGFACE” R.I.P MATT!!!!
I feel it can easily be seen as one would talk about historic periods. especially ones within the art world, that were basically cultural movements. I feel like nu metal for music was the same as eclecticism was within art noveau a 100 years before it xD As it was a blend of different genres together with a main genre (in this case metal) in an experimental way, while still delivering on heaviness and having a distinct fashion associated with it etc
at least I have always viewed it that way and to me the genre makes perfect sense because of this comparison
Is the band Morgan is in now from Canada and is there any thing I can hear from them
OOOOF, Morgan. That Primer 55 diss was wicked. Especially considering you've been friendly with/on the Talk Toomey podcast (hosted by former Primer 55 member Josh Toomey). lol. Gotta agree with the Nothingface take though. One of my favorite bands of all-time. Saw them twice. Awesome guys.
Hey Gwarsenio, let's get some nu metal on Two Minutes!
Everyone has their own required taste & musical phases in their lives. Especially in rock/metal. Regardless of style, genres, or sub genres. Good music is just good music. 🤘✌🐸
I loved that you talked about NOTHINGFACE!!!
I lift up Drain sth,I put down taproot 😳 honestly for me nu metal never went away! A lot of the bands I liked kept releasing albums(korn,Deftones,slipknot,disturbed,incubus,Godsmack, papa roach,Sevendust and more) and I kept getting them!
Morgan, you did too rap! You covered Da Brat! Loved it!
I have a radio single cd with that song on it....I think she said once that she wanted to forget about it LOL
Also, must say, 'Dial M for Morgan' totally cracked me up
Kittie is so underrated and dont get the proper credit they deserve 💘
I couldn't agree more...
I love you guys, maybe you think this is only from USA and Canada, but this is also for Mexico, I was there in Texas while they played there, I love listening to Morgan Lander talking about this 😍
Dallas, Trees??
Godforbid was beast i seen em at the headbangers ball tour 2003 🖤
Who cares what they say/said nu-metal is badass and should make a full come back. 👌👍
I totally feel what Morgan is saying about those first nu metal albums. I grew up on metal, and was already listening to thrash, and early death/black metal by age 7(1988). Even for me, when that first Korn album dropped... So did my balls. There was NOTHING like it previously, and really did reinvent the heavy wheel. I can't stand 99% of nu metal, but that first wave was excellent - the first 2 Korn albums(and Issues was highly underrated - it's like Pink Floyd interpreted by Korn), Deftones(I still love everything they put out - probably the only nu metal band I still follow, though I don't consider them nu metal anymore)... Soulfly(was already a huge Sepultura fan)... And a couple gems from the later wave, such as Kittie. The problem with nu metal was never the best acts, it's the wake of terrible acts that followed.
New metal is an acronym for new metal sound and that’s exactly what the sound was it was a new kind of metal It’s like hip-hop where you had different types of one sound but all got lumbered up into the same name ands it’s the same as with new metal you had different types of new metal sound so I suppose the media that’s what they called it even if it wasn’t a new Metal band any band that come out at that time was labelled new metal
Liked all the interview. Just to say. Tura Santana (manhole) and factory 81. Were really underrated forgotten and they were brilliant. The worst definitely limp biscuit, incubus and crazy town so selled out. But crazy town is a, terrible memory....
One Nu Metal band that I really feel like should have gotten more was 'No One' you remember the song 'Chemical'? Yeah those guys. They were super fun and funky and put out good music.
LOVE that No One album. Listen to it all the time still.
@@rickyiglesias5384 same!
Doc is such a nice dude, and I used to really dig God Forbid in my early 20s, when they first came out - but I can't stand the bullshit he makes with Bad Wolves.
His personality makes these interviews a real joy to watch though, so power to him! He's happy, he's successful, so at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what I think of Bad Wolves - he still has my respect.
They were supposed to play at the brewery in Lowell and cancelled the day if show I was bummed out
Stabbing Westward should be mentioned. As 1 of the first to hit it big with this sound. No-Metal is a great and genuine path. ✌️
Stabbing Westward wasn't Nu Metal dude, they were industrial rock/metal. Never mind that "Nu Metal" became a catch all term in the late 90s the same way Grunge did in the early 90s.
They were pRt of the industrial bands mid 90s
"Burn my eyes" is a classic. I can do without the rest
Morgan is in better shape than girls half her age😄love her
KITTIE IS PURE HEAVY METAL 🤘 It doesn’t matter if there women.... They killed everyone they toured with.. and made their way to the Legendary OZZFEST! Even before slipknot. And while on top of the world they played along side the greatest bands like BLACK SABITH , and PANTERA even at the age of 16. KITTIE IS THE BEST FEMALE METAL IN THE WORLD!!!!
im 36, i was a teenager when the nu-metal genre was booming, we where belittled by other metalheads as the softer wannabes who want to listen to metal but don't really know what metal is, and i agree with you guys, if you wanna strip down the bands whom where called nu-metal you would come up with new genres, for instance Deftones are clearly the shoegaze nu-metal, Korn first few album had this hardcore vibe of nu-meatl along with Coal Chamber, Godsmack are more of Nu-grunge. i wanna say Machine Head are a bit mistreated by you guys.. hear me out. there are so many songs that they have released that made them what they are! you can say whatever about a half assed Pantera or whatever but its true Logan Madder, Rob Flynn are really great musicians and made a lot of great effort to the genre! Kittie was massive in my point of view.. oh by the way, industrial Nu-metal would be Spineshank, Static X, Powerman 5000
Is that a R.O.T.O.R shirt? Nice.
Lots of people lumped Kittie and Slipknot into the Nu-metal genre. I also think a lot of "nu-metal" has been unfairly criticized.
Shits on machine head, likes godsmack? yowza. God forbid's "determination" is a masterwork btw
It´s cool when I listen these newer bands, like Tetrarch has all the same ingredients that my favorites from 1996-2000 but also they have taken numetal to another level.
Morgan: So I'm just gonna say any band that had a song, or that says in a song "set it off" ... That's the worst.
Me: Gasps in Audioslave
and static x has got a song called set it off 🤣
@@samuelwetz8378 Very true, not a bad track either.
P.O.D had one as well. God, I just remembered P.O.D. was a thing, they had a song for the Matrix: Reloaded soundtrack. It's as early 2000's as it can get.
There was a Nu Metal band called Shuvel back in 2000 that had an album called Set It Off😂
There's a thing going on, most of the bands and their fans don't like to admit they were or are nü metal (I think mostly about Deftones and Linkin Park). With that said, I definitely think Slipknot is not nü metal. They have a DJ and fiddled with rap in the first album, but the songs are much faster and the riffs have a stronger root (no pun intended) in thrash and death metal.
Imho, Deftones never was a nu metal band. I'll concede that Chino Moreno sang the odd rap vocals on some verses here and there at the beginning of their career, but the riffs and song structures were wayyyy more evolved than any bands from the nu metal era, even on their first album. To me their sound is so unique and hard to pinpoint that they are in a genre of their own :)
Nu pop jack chit they broke that mold right off boi. Far far darker (what do I know I only like What I Always Wanted n I still love them)
also, many metalcore bands are shifting torwards a nu metal sound (and some torwards butt rock LMAO). check out My Ticket Home. A newer band making amazing angry nu-metal music.
Machine head was only nu metal when they did burning red and supercharger and to extend with the more things change. 🤣
Not that I consider it a bad thing but imo (and I bought Kittie's 1st album Spit the month it came out) "Spit" was their only album that sounded like it had any nu-metal influence to me. Oracle forward just sounds like straight up metal. Fuckin LOVE the last studio album they released "I've Failed You." 🔥🔥🔥
Two bands to lift up = Soulfly and Fear Factory Two bands to leave = The Union Underground and Factory 81
Union Underground has the best song for Raw though.
machine head's 2003-2014 run of album's was great
I'm pretty partial to their first 5 albums, Oddly I did not care for the blackening that much.
I had a crush myself on Morgan
Wow Machine head thats a random one. so many great Songs by them that blows away other nu metal bands
But and soufly?
Nu-Metal finally "grew up"?
Praise: Coal Chamber and Static-X; definately 100% bash: Orgy and Crazy Town.
Pioneers that lit Nu-Metal's spark while not being Nu-Metal themselves imho were Faith No More and Fear Factory.
And the most matured bands "starting at Nu-Metal" are probably Deftones and KoRn.
Edit: Also the Tapeworm Gang happend at the Nu Metal Age - Trend Reznor, Maynard James Keenan and Marilyn Masnon, look it up. :D Their Industrial and "Math Rock" was kinda like a sun in the MTV solar system Nu-Metal orbited for the most time - at least on the side of stardom and questionable glamour.
i wouldn't call Orgy nu-metal. electro-industrial synth rock, really. I sorta like the OG albums but they suck now.
I'm lifting up Deftones. I'm dropping Limp Bizkit, but keeping Wes Borland(worst band ever, with best guitarist). Edit: I wrote this before Wes got mentioned in the video.
PS: Godsmack is literally nu metal, lol she's crazy to think otherwise. 😆
She called the jnco jeans haah
I love Breaking Benjamin
HOW COULD YOU GUYS FORGET TO MENTION MUDVAYNE! ..... side note, machine head’s the blackening is a badass album but I could see that being considered thrash and not nu metal
Haha. We ALMOST put them on the thumbnail. We gotta admit we love Mudvayne.
The Pit my guys 😎😎😎😁
I like Machine Head (without being a super fan), I think, as Jordan said, their 1st two records were more akin to Pantera. Albums 3 and 4 were clearly influenced by nu metal, no doubt about that. Since The Blackening, they went straight up metal (with a hefty dose of thrash, as you wrote, David), with longer songs and tons of different parts in them. Those albums are really good and are well worth a listen (except the last one, Catharsis, which is pretty bad, tbh).
What's the band that Morgan hates?????
Any band that says "set it off". Only one I can think of is Primer 55.
“It was a disaster! Got my money’s worth!”
Godsmack did not name themselves after the Alice in Chains song. Sully varied that in interviews.
Morgan reminds me of my step sister....damn lol
Nu metal has more groove and guttural singing them pre early 90s metal.
Killer Klowns From Outer Space? Nope.
nu metal is currently alive and well, but it's being made by hip hop artists, and most metalheads are close-minded when it comes to exploring music outside metal. check out: city morgue, ghostemane, etc. Hip hop is currently fucking with nu metal heavy! same for emo rap!
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Ok came here from kitty but ...I was like fuck it...hevy matal is waaay about your head
I never considered Kitty NU Metal
Perfer kittie over disturbed and I helped and singing for dani filth in Atlanta
I hated the fact that it was considered not cool do be into nu-metal, you would think is said i liked Nsync or something
Nu metal was like one hair away from being glam metal. Seriously, they were all similar, a lot of focus on image, a lot of them wore make up or masks or whatever, and then they all did the god damn 80s cover. ALL OF THEM. Also I do not know what people consider Korn and Deftones Nu metal. When I think of Nu metal I think everything that came out 1998-2003. Korn's first album came out in 1994. And yes God Smack can get flushed. Puke
Seriously? Korn literally invented Nu Netal
Gwarsenio looks weird... 😂
What really happened to nu metal????????
Omg... Omg... Who is that girl that lift ups Slipknot 😔😔😔even my grandma know them! They don't need any more fame.. Machine head is bad nu metal band?🤣🤣 Oh no.. oh my god... Machine head had nu metal influences, but I think that they are now just a heavy metal band with occasional nu metal vibes.. for example Halo has badass nu metal riff but the whole song isn't nu metal at all.. Now I lay thee down is great metal track but not nu metal.. most nu metal track is From this day... She is stupid or she knows only well known bands and she chooses from them..? I would put for example Ill Niño as a band that deserved more recognition.. but, you see, it's a matter of opinion, even Crazy Town has something appealing to somebody.. for worst nu metal bands I would choose Crazy Town or Reveille, but if you don't take it too seriously, it's great to listen to this sometimes.. Crazy town has great track take it to the bridge, Reveille what you got.. yeah, they're not the greatest songs musically or lyricaly but i can enjoy it... I think that pointing at something horrible from that scene comes from critics and all that gatekeepers that shit on nu metal and gave it this bad reputation.. it actually isn't bad genre as everybody expects to be.. you can hate some bands, but still.. you can hate them the same way as in any other genre.. for example I hate ac/dc 😃just annoying to me af xD
Wes Borland was clearly in a different band than the rest of Limp Bizkit
Kitty talking about “terrible” nu metal bands? Pot calling the kettle black much?
Yep