Why ONE PIECE Live Action WORKED and COWBOY BEBOP Didn't - SCENE FIGHTS
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2023
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The Netflix One Piece Live Action series was a hit! They broke the live action remake curse. We noticed that another Netflix live action series remake, Cowboy Bebop, didn't quite hit the mark. In fact, we think that both movies have one similar scene that shows why one was a success, and the other didn't meet expectations.
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Written by Cole Albinder / cartoonguy6372
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Hosted by Ryan Arey / ryanarey
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright and Jeffrey Binet
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*COWBOY BEBOP* was more of a
*COWBOY BE-FLOP*
Godzilla Minus one?
Let me tell you after watching 1000+ episode the first think that's come to mind is " I WANT MOTREE... MOREEEE" trust me I don't feel like watching it before
The creators of Cowboy Bebop said they didn't want to speak to him etc...Hollywood just don't care. One Piece on the other hand they talk to the creator.
This shows, especially in the messaging.
Cowboy Bebop the anime is a show about working class outlaws in a galaxy run by right-wing authoritarian police and corrupt corporations whose scraps are being divided up by ruthless gangs. The criminals are human and sympathetic, the law is backwards, and the heroes are all working class and struggling.
One Piece the anime is a show about working class outlaws in an island chain run by right-wing authoritarian police and a corrupt government whose scraps are being divided up by ruthless gangs. The criminals are human and sympathetic, the law is backwards, and the heroes are all working class and struggling.
Cowboy Bebop live action doesn't care about corporations, adds a subplot about the cops being good guys that dramatically changes Jet's backstory, opens by turning a fistfight against some random convenience store robbers into a quippy joke-filled bloodbath, drops every plot about working class struggle, and treats every criminal as disposable.
One Piece the live action, on the other hand, is the anime -- left-wing anarchist and proud of it.
People *feel* that Cowboy Bebop has been hollowed out by completely changing its politics. Even if they don't openly agree with its politics when shown to them. But their brains are aware of how power relationships and story focus are shifted in the narrative to quietly tell them to stop empathizing with people in need and to instead lick the boot on their neck extra hard.
One Piece on the other hand knows who its enemies and heroes are and doesn't mess with the formula.
@@marcamusprime9513 He continued, "It was clearly not Cowboy Bebop and I realized at that point that if I wasn't involved, it would not be Cowboy Bebop. I felt that maybe I should have done this. Although the value of the original anime is somehow far higher now."
Ok I am confused, what I heard from the showrunners it’s the writer who refused to be involved, they wanted him involved
@@sohailsadaqat6684 Complete opposite.. They disparaged him and his opinions. They wanted nothing to do with them. Hollywood thinks they know better.
@@MrBazBakeOne Piece LA also added a plot about the good cops too though. The whole Garp/Coby storyline isn't in the manga, it's just alluded to.
i will never get over the fact that they succeeded with a live action one piece and failed with cowboy bebop. that is actually something that should be studied
Certainly, if visuals are the only thing we’re grading adaptation is FINE for bebop, spot on, i think jet being black was fine, fayes costume change is also FINE i didnt care.
What ruined it for me, is it felt like the writers completely misunderstood the adult themes in the original bebop crew.
In the original each of them was clearly stuck, struggling to cope with their pasts, unable to move forward in their lives, and their habits (including smoking) showed their maladaptive coping, pretending like things werent bothering them but clearly things did bother them, i think it was truly a adult show, filled with messages that adults can relate to, but it was still cool enough for a kid to find entertaining,
That and viscous and Julia were butchered, from being spikes lighter and darker halves, to… completely botched, vicious wasnt the type to be manipulated and julia wasnt the type to be corrupted…
Some things were fine, but other parts… it was obvious the creaters of the adaptation just didnt understand the original.
That's what this video essay is......
@@robertfrost8264 and i made a comment about it. you know, in the comment section
@@vietimports i think its ironic that i actually thought cowboy bepop is better (or easier) material for live action than OnePiece, but it turned out the other way.
@@_prototypscrap that, they fumbled Death Note, one of the EASIEST anime to adapt, the only expensive effect is Ryuk, you just need good writing and directing. And funny enough, Willem Dafoe's Ryuk is the ONLY good thing in that movie, lol
Oda was completely hands on from casting to wardrobe and more simple as that... hats off to the producers and show runners for putting their egos aside and allowing the source material to do its thing
The sad thing about Bebop is that it should've been a much easier series to adapt. Bebop is far more grounded than the wacky, over-the-top, cartoony One Piece, both in terms of actions & in terms of characters. Plus, Bebop is such a limited series that the adaptation's show runners actually had the space to follow the original source material if they wanted to...
As Ryan mentioned, Bebop only 26 episodes, w/ each episode being about 25 minutes or so. If you're going to break up the live adaptation into 2 seasons, it only has to adapt 13 episodes per season, so roughly 5 1/2 hours of content. The adaptation was 10 episodes, w/ each episode running 40-55 minutes or so. This means that if the adaptation ran for 2 seasons & the 2nd season was the same length as the 1st, it would've actually had a longer runtime than the original anime did...
Comparatively, the OP show runners had to find a way to tell a story arc that lasted 45 anime episodes, roughly 20 min each, (so about 15 hrs. of content) into just 8 60-min. episodes. This necessarily required the show runners cutting major story lines from show, but somehow, they still made it work (tho, the show has major pacing issues...).
Ultimately, I feel like the major difference between the 2 shows is that everyone behind the OP adaptation had great reverence for the source material, while the Bebop show runners wanted to take the source material & make it their own thing, which given the greatness of the original, was going to be a nearly impossible task...
I used to think that, too. The bit about one piece being so cartoony, but after watching the live action, I think that played to its advantage. I think it gave them the opportunity to be more creative with the set design and costumes in a way that felt more artistic. It was able to lean into the fantasy aspect which I think helped people's willing suspension of disbelief. You're not supposed to take it too seriously because it's not real enough.
I always thought that what should have been done for Bebop was tell the stories of what happened between the anime episodes. Sure, hit some of the anime stories for context, like meeting Faye, but they should have built on the existing world and characters instead of reinterpreting everything.
That being said, I never thought Ed would work well in live-action.
@@fizzle7421 I feel this is true of all fictional worlds. It's not supposed to reflect our world. But for some reason, there's this push for a need to ground things in "our reality". You even see this in the US adaptation of My Fellow Citizens called The Company You Keep. It just turns into your standard CSI police procedural and high stakes crime that loses the charm of the original street scammer type of person.
@@No1Knows& one of the best Villains, the Mad Pierrot , wad re done horribly. Among other things redone. I wonder what made them even get the idea to redo things completely instead of making them true to the Original. I never realized how cartoony the live action felt until this video.
To be fair the one piece anime has so much filler (mostly by recap) that those 45 anime episodes really are closer to 30-35 episodes. They still did a fantastic job condensing the content and giving it a different take
Bebop is my favorite anime and the netflix show felt like they just took the best parts of episodes and frankensteined them. One piece felt like a love letter
What fascinated me is what the live action changed or removed and what they added.
Corrupt cops everywhere you look in the anime? In live action, corrupt cops appear on one planet in one episode and Jet's corrupt backstabbing partner gets turned into a loving family man who is a better dad and husband than Jet.
Space-faring corporate ghouls destroy the Earth through negligence in the anime? Not even mentioned in the live-action.
A series of increasingly likeable and sympathetic criminals just trying to survive? Completely thrown out or turned into cannon fodder for Spike and Jet to gun down while cracking jokes over their bloody corpses.
Working class struggle shown through side plots and those earlier sympathetic criminals? Completely thrown out in favor of an increasingly ponderous focus on gang violence.
It's like if One Piece decided to just not mention the One World Government and Luffy murdered every pirate he came across. Even if people could find it "fun for what it is," the live action show is saying the opposite of what the anime was trying to say.
I think the backlash of Cowboy Bebop also helped One Piece in a tremendous way! One of the production studios behind Cowboy Bebop is also behind One Piece. I feel they and Netflix both learned what NOT to do with these adaptations. Fingers crossed that these lessons continue with ATLA
Whats ATLA?
@@walrusArmageddon Avatar: The Last Airbender
So Cowboy Bebop unintentionally became the sacrificial lamb for One Piece to flourish. Friggin Netflix.
@@pillar81 tbh I doubt the studio/Netflix learned from their mistakes, but rather Oda learned from Kuga's mistake in giving them creative freedom. Oda's decision to ALLOW One Piece to have a live action adaptation was based on him being able to be in full creative control, while delegating the actual workload out to the Netflix team still.
The most important reason is that Oda sensei have control over all of the scenes in OPLA. Some suggested to add romance in the crew which would definitely ruin the whole OPLA. I'm definitely glad that didn't happen.
Inaki Godoy literally saved the show. In a show like One Piece, the fate of the show was 100% on the realistic depiction of an unrealistic protagonist. No one was worried about Zoro or Nami… it was whether Luffy would be Luffy on screen. And real props to the actors and actresses doing as many stunts as they did. There were so many little things that really added up to make a world of a difference.
Truth. It's like Chris Evans with Captain America. You *NEED* somebody who can do the level of earnestness, positivity, and honesty that the character has. You can't do Luffy as gritty or realistic. You *have* to lean in to the childish exuberance of the character, or it's game over. One misstep and the character comes off cheesy and corny.
You just summed up why I dislike the live action, the guy they got to play luffy in no way embodies the character to me.
@@gotenks5633 i mean that's your opinion. But the thing is, the majority agrees, EVEN ODA HIMSELF, that Inaki is Luffy.
@@onebel24 Firstly, Oda created luffy, and hes contractually obligated to support this show...do you really think he's going to say anything against it? Inaki is not even remotely the luffy of the show or manga, not even remotely. If you think he is then I genuinely question if you're a fan of the manga/anime.
One piece is the most important media I've ever consumed, and I was so afraid this was going to suck. Turns out it's the best adaptation ever made, and it's not even close. Speaking of the showrunner, I watched him on what's called the Reverie, which is a huge livestream of all the biggest One Piece UA-camrs. That name makes sense once you get about 500 chapters in lol but saying he's a huge fan isn't even far enough, because he got into how deep his love for the series is and said that when he was all alone and suffering horrible depression, One Piece made him feel like he had friends, and stopped him from killing himself. He said he owes Oda his life, and absolutely had to do the best possible job to pay him back, which he did. There was so much work that went into it, from costumes based on cover pages in the manga, to bounty posters and newspapers referencing characters that won't show up for years.
I will say thought hat I didn't think Cowboy Bebop was all that bad, but then again, I've always loved Samurai Champloo sooo much more and even liked Space Dandy more, while being fairly indifferent to Bebop, so maybe I just didn't care as much about all the changes. Probably would be pissed if they made a LA Champloo and changed it around too much
“It’s almost like when you bring in fans of the source material and listen directly to the creators for ideas... why, you will end up with a better product" Looking at you, Witcher!!!
And this is coming from someone who wasn’t necessarily a fan before the show… I had not played the games, but there is a sense of love that you can feel when the people involved *love* the source material.
I don’t understand why they would compromise that to appeal to a larger audience. As a member of the “larger audience” even we can tell when that element is missing…
Quite possibly my two fav anime of all time... your breakdown was pretty much exactly how I felt. Though after I got over the fact that Netflix's Bebop was NOT Bebop I grew to like it as it's own show. Would have watched a season two... Side Note: We need a Mihawk spinoff or even a Shanks spinnoff or a Mihawk / Shanks spinoff!
I agree with this completely. I really didn't hate Cowboy Bebop live-action, and I understand why they toned down Faye's "charm" and made other changes to be its own thing, which honestly, was pretty good. I probably would not have become a superfan, (though, I'm not gonna be a One Piece Live-Action superfan either...) I 100% would have liked a season two of Bebop in order to see it become its own piece of art.
Mihawk and Shanks prequel will be fire. Honestly the Mihawk cast and portrayal is about as perfect as can be executed.
Yeah man i hope oda will allow a shanks vs mihawk spinoff
I love the cowboy bebop anime so much! But Jet was hands down the best part of the live action show
I agree, there were moments where i truly asked ‘is the og jet voice actor dubbing this guys lines? He sounds SO close to jet!”… he and spikes actors i truly cannot fault them, both of them gave it the best they had. They arent the ones i blame for the adaptations butchery,
I wasn't expecting that! SC has been my go-to channel when it comes to Marvel and DC related stuff, but One Piece is by far the one story i enjoy the most. Been reading it (almost) weekly since the late 2000s and i can relate to the level of passion that Matt Owens brought to the LA. He really represented us there. I also believe that Randy Troy's addition to the team will help improve the overall writing tremendously. I hope Marvel goes back to respecting their audience, like they used to do before...
I wanted to love CB so much. The anime meant so much to me growing up and I couldn't think of anything better to convert to live action. Relatively grounded, fairly compact story, but filled with deep larger than life characters and one of the best sound tracks out there.
It could've been spectacular - especially if it was handled by people who cared for the original. Sure it looked the part when doing direct screen grab comparisons, but that's about it.
Informative ,and well put together! This was a pleasure to listen to great analysis as always ryan really appreciated your knowledge of quality anime as well as the best structure for a series.
Cowboy Bebop was activist writing. They made Fey more “perfect” and leveled up Julia to crime lord. They wanted to make a girl power show but lean on an established franchise to do it. The greatness of Cowboy Bebop was its imperfections of characters and stories. The anime ending was literally the ending we didn’t want but the show needed
I still hope they give Bebop another chance.
I can't imagine it'll be Netflix that does if that happens.
But never say never!
Don't tell me Cowboy Bebop doesn't work, just keep doing it until it does. It's worth it.
I kind of enjoyed the live action Cowboy Bebop adaptation, but only as a fan of the original, it might not really stand on its own to newbies. I think they were trying to directly adapt individual episodes of the original into (longer) live action episodes while randomly moving up some characters (like Faye) and backstory, and adding in the backstory and continuing story line from the beginning, which the original never did -- instead, the original let the characters and their relationships develop slowly over the episodes while making sure each individual episode was a unique and interesting story.
Agee. It wasn't as bad. But frankly speaking I'm not big fan of orginal anime.
It really isn’t that bad tbh. Not sure why it got so much hate. It really ranges from just below average to average. The dialogue was to aggressive at times, Spike wanting to shoot Faye so badly was weird, and Vicious was the worst. The fact that the gave Vicious so much screen time was a mind boggling decision and one that I’m sure Shinichirō Watanabe wouldn’t have made if they actually took the time to listen and learn from him. Also, some of the cinematography was questionable. And they could have toned down Faye by like 5-10% and the show would have worked imo. Too bad they couldn’t get a second season to course correct a bit.
Trying to change the way a story is told when the original story is THE go to example for its original narrative structure (the 26 episode anime, see also: Samurai Champloo) is... not a great plan.
It should've been: Episodic storytelling for almost the entire show's runlength, with a focus on characters and world, then cram all of your "main" story into the last couple episodes for a big and memorable climax.
Bringing that "main" story to the forefront of the show is like trying to turn those old episodic Star Trek shows into today's modern 8-10 episode movie-disguised-as-a-tv-series format; a terrible idea, and I'm sure no studio execs are stupid enough to do something like th-- lmao @ Picard.
Cowboy bebop was dope.
Having not seen the anime of Cowboy Bebop, I was unaware that it didn’t work. I quite enjoyed it
Maybe it’s not the worst show, but it’s just such a step down from the legendary anime
Awesome takes and it was spot on. Great vid.
Cowboy bebop live action was the reason I watched the original. It was excellent to me
Cowboy bebop. Best thing about it was the recreated intro. Made me think they were going to care about source material but didn't.
Bebop could have been better but i absolutely enjoyed it.
I never saw CB so I think that's probably why I liked the adaptation more than most. I didn't realize it was only 26 episodes, so maybe I'll give it a go someday.
OP I have watched hundreds of hours of, so had a highly critical mindset going in and was pleasantly surprised and happy with the result. I wish OG CB fans could have gotten what I got with the OP adaptation. I hope notes are taken and studios learn, because I would love to see a live action Outlaw Star or Bleach series someday.
Netflix has already made live action Bleach. Just look it up.
@@afiqazman6615 That was just a movie though wasn't it?
I haven't seen both of the animes but O saw both live action shows and I really preferred Cowboy Behop.
I'll save you all the trouble, it was casting. Spike is one of the coolest people in anime so you would honestly need one of the coolest/smooth talking actors to play him.
Personally, I thought it was the casting. I love John Cho but he is NOT Spike Speigel. He didn't have the right kind of cool, if that makes sense.
I cannot stress enough on how well One Piece was cast! Everyone was cast perfectly! Not just the main characters, but also the side characters, villains, and even the extras!
One of the main problems of Cowboy Bebop, for me as someone who hasn’t seen the anime, is that it was boring, and the so-called bounty hunters were incompetent, and didn’t act like they cared about capturing criminals. So, who are these characters and why am I watching them? There’s no reason to watch them, so I didn’t. With One Piece, again, I haven’t watched the anime, you knew who Luffy was and what he cared about within a very short space of time, same with the other characters. Oh, and they were likeable and not boring. The cartoony zaniness of it all was not a problem.
I really hope the Avatar TLA show is good too.
By the last few episodes of the NF Bebop, I actually started to accept that it was it's own thing and appreciate it in its own right. I was even okay with what they did to Vicious and Julia, but then at the very end of the very last episode they botched the dynamic between Spike and Jet and it soured any goodwill it had started to build. Then to add insult to injury, they "teased" us with a poor intro to their version of Ed. I don't fault any of the actors though.
Whoever had final approval and the power to say yes or no or shoot it again should have done so.
Is it just me, or does this guy remind anyone else of Ben Stiller's character in "Dodgeball"?
I haven't watched an anime since Starblazers but I thoroughly enjoyed Netflix's Cowboy Bebop (right up until that mid credits scene).
youve got good delivery in these videos
Am I weird? I liked the live action Cowboy Bebop. A fair bit of things didn’t work but I just liked the things that did. I wanted to see more of Faye, I wanted to see how they adapted every single thing. I wanted MORE. That’s what kept me watching and that’s why I’m disappointed they just gave up and stopped.
Agreed
Me to
I was warming to it. I felt they had found thier footing by the end of the season and was willing to see where they went from there in a second season. Although I was extremely disappointed that they ruined the core character dynamic between Jet and Spike with regard to Spike's past.
ditto
As somebody who hated the show, I often see people who defend the live action show say Faye is their favorite character, and I just have to ask: Why?
I mean Faye had her medical debt, gambling habits, unhygienic behavior, Singaporean identity, and overall her negative personality sanded away from the original leaving her with......
Not much else other than being foul-mouthed and rude?
And her finding out about her past is literally the opposite of what the story was it to be about, as the point was her parents were long dead, and she had to move on and let go of the past.
I loved bebop it was great fun I was gutted to see it cancelled 😢 it was pretty darn good and I love one piece equally hope to see them do it all hope I live long enough lol I'm 54 😅
The worst thing Netflixbebop ever did was change up the Ballad of fallen angels episode. You don't need to fix something that isn't broken.
If you loved the Cowboy Bebop live action, can you share why?
gritty, funny, great visuals, well acted for Spike & Jet's characters. Wish there was a Season 2.
I'm worried about season 2 of One Piece.
I fear that since they has such a monumental success with season 1, they are gonna come down with a case of sequalitis.
If you've ever noticed how it's common for sequels to not be as good as their predecessor, I believe it comes down to a phenomenon that I call "First draft syndrome."
Basically the success of the previous project inspired trust in the people investing in the show. And since the first season was so successful, they are more inclined to be hands-off for the sequel. The show runners essentially earned enough trust to have more creative control.
This is not as good as it sounds.
What made the first season good is the revisions. Having people second guess everything. Producers and investors questioning the necessity of things. Having Oda veto ideas and order re-shoots.
But when you've earned trust and creative control, you're less likely to have those clashes and you'll be more likely to take your first draft and run with it.
The first draft is never good.
That's not to say that the people working on the show are not good at their job. But that even the best writers and creators in the world would benefit from having editors and people revising their work.
If season 2 is able to keep the same level of scrutiny that season 1 did, I believe it's bound to be successful. Otherwise I fear we are in for a rough ride.
I highly doubt they'll be able to take away Oda's executive power no matter how hard they try.
If that was the case Matt Owens would have left he has way to much respect for Oda to stay we have seen in the past writers leaving projects due to creative differences. I think it’s going to me more of a can they get away with some things from season one to season two. What I mean by that is the fight scenes were criticized if that is not fixed in season two it will look bad or Sanji and Ussop character development not being as established in season one and them not improving it in season two.
I'd not heard that interview with Bebop's creator before... so it's funny to me that I did almost the exact same; I put on the first episode, couldn't make it through the opening act without feeling this just wasn't right and turned it off. And I do actually get a little happy whenever I see Cho in things so it's a bit surprising on that end.
Whereas with One Piece I didn't turn it off once. There were parts I felt didn't quite land the way they should (the final fight with Arlong, the opening fight with Zoro in the candlelit field, how we never got an explanation for why Kuro didn't just speed into Luffy with his swords out, etc.), but nothing actually turned me off completely, and there was so much else going right for the show that those things didn't really bother me in the end, and I ended up rewatching the series from start to finish like 5 times lol, it's just so fun to have on!
I liked Cowboy Bebop and watched the whole series in a week.
Nice! Also more stuff other than Disney and marvel please
Viscous, Julia and Spike's backstory was the weakest part of the original Cowboy Bebop anime, it could have been left out and still been an excellent show. (But it does work as part of the resolution of the series.) So making it such a big part of the live remake was just an even bigger distraction from the stuff that really made the original great.
I just finished watching Yuyu Hakusho Live Action, and I guess Netflix finally learned the anime formula for adaptations. From OPLA to this recent one. It's so awesome!
TIL Julia shot Spike in the Church in the live action version, wth, lol.
I love Bebop, as a teen I drew Spike on my wall next to Orphen and Goten, all three series helped teach me to draw anime style so I have a crazy fondness for them. There definitely needed to be less Vicious like I felt they destroyed his, Julia and Ed's characters. I still watched it all, took me a few days cause some parts hurt me. But OP binged it in one day and loved it.
Jet, despite hating the syndicate, would NEVER give up on Spike.
Exactly! That's a core part of a main character and should never have been changed.
I never read either of the series but I enjoyed both series. And honestly the Mr. Fantastic stuff in One Piece caught me by surprise as I didn’t expect it and to be honest it was a bit off putting in the beginning but it grew on me. But Cowboy Bebop was also good for me as someone not familiar with the source material. I was sorry Cowboy Bebop got cancelled.
Both look very similar to me, same compositing and same acting vibe. The amount of goofiness and positive enthusiasm works perfect for One Piece but not for Bebop which the anime which is solemn and brooding. For Cowboy Bebop, the makers should have really watch a shit ton of western and slick heist movies that inspired Watanabe- which I imagine he has listed them somewhere. What really irked me the most was Faye, in the anime she was a cool beauty, she had sex appeal and used it to take advantage of scumbag men, LA Faye acted like teenager that recently learned to curse.
The thing about Ed is that they're the only live-action character who feels in-line with their anime counterpart, but a character as over-the-top as Ed just doesn't translate well to a live-action medium and they ended up seeming like a parody of themself
The Cowboy BeBop live action was great. I loved it.
Agreed
if cowboy bebop stuck to the script and followed the anime in each episode and instead of changing the episodes around.. it probably would of helped. one piece is a love letter the series and anime and live tv adaptations. I cannot wait for season 2 of one piece. hope they seriously get jamie lee curtis to be in it!
Bebop was great ...
Cowboy bebop is awesome.
One Piece was AWESOME, Bebop was better than most of what they've done to date. Death Note was miserable.
The actors themselves also feel lost/in it. Like the Cow Boy Beebop crew looks confused as to what they’re supposed to do whereas the One Piece crew knows exactly hate going on and are enjoying themselves.
Never seen One piece. ever. nothing.
I LOVE cowboy bepop. I had a corgi when i was growing up that looked exactly like EIn. I loved the show. Anywho, i find myself watching all of One-piece the remake.
It was so good, I am watching the cartoon version now.
Yea they did great with One piece. The cartoon and remake.
Cowboy bepop..its sad what happened.. with the remake.. You are spot on, my friend. Spot on.
Merch idea- "Cowboy BeDog"
Buggy is perfection
The fact that they made Ed into a caricature tells everything you know about the show runners for live action bebop. Ed is a child and therefore acts childlike, she’s not crazy. I stopped watching the live action after 5 mins because they didn’t capture the essence of the show. Bebop oozes melancholy, everyone of the characters and the atmosphere of the show is just that feeling. One piece is about adventure and the excitement of it, which they managed to surprisingly capture in a show that is frankly more cartoonish and way harder to adapt.
Woah woah woah... is this the first time he's said "Welcome back *to* ScreenCrush???"
Let me check...
Yup! It's the first time, and it's about time.
I really wish the Cowboy Bebop Live Action could’ve been as good as the One-Piece Live Action.
OPLA was SUCH a labor of love and it showed in every scene and detail. Even the off screen hijinks of limited exposure players like Kuina's actress showed a real fandom to the source material.
the lawyer who help making contract Netflix one piece explained "normally hollywood has all of rights of changing characters and story in live action".
in interview, Oda said he making some rule in live action. for example don't romance between crews. live action changed a lot, but Oda could say minimum requirements.
in other hand, studio of cowboy bebop couldn't say anything i think. Netflix changed story, character's race, personality and even sexualitys.
Hollywood has great skills and Netflix has lot of money. if they making good contract, we can see another great live action again.
I haven't seen either anime, but quite enjoyed One Piece; whereas, similar to the original writer, apparently; I couldn't continue Cowboy Beebop after watching the opening scene 😬
0:26... I'm Listening
Then they released yu yu hakusho and honestly it feels like they took a step back from one piece LA
Live action Yu Yu Hakusho next please lol
One of the reasons One piece became successful is because Oda was somehow involve during the production...I noticed that sometimes the showrunners or producers tends to change something that would ruin the show
Hot take: I kind of liked Cowboy Bebop
Great video, but leaving the thumbs up for the dog, he's a good boy
Thank you for making this video, a bit late, but Welcome.
Day one asking you to cover “Halo” 2022, series, on Prime. I have faith in you Ryan.
12:50 Take notes Hollywood
My bet is that the main difference is that Tomorrow studios owns the adaptation rights to One Piece and Netflix owns the rights to Cowboy Bebop. So when Netflix says they did or didn't want to do something on Bebop, that's what happened. So you get a dispassionate show runner, a relatively big name star and no input from the creator.
With One Piece, Tomorrow actually has an investment in the show doing well. Even if Netflix didn't greenlight a season 2 they could shop it around to Max or Amazon. So they make sure to get people involved who are deeply passionate. And when Netflix does or doesn't want something, Tomorrow pushes back. And they have the benefit of Bebop, a show that Netflix had full control of, doing poorly.
Huh, I'd never of that!
LA bebop issue are as similar as chainsaw man's anime adaptation i think.
both LA bebop and anime chainsaw are great, but they not have the charm of the original works.
cowboy bebop was originally anime, coz jp fans and international fans shared same impression. but chainsaw man was originally manga, this is why international fans couldn't understand why jp fans not love chainsaw anime i think.
these two series are was not fans expected, but it wasn't bad either.
bebop's live action cast was perfect and chainsaw's animation was awesome.
i hope they making season2.
I think the problem with chainsaeman is that the they made waaaayy too realistic the expresion to the point it feels like we are in the uncanny valley which for scary moments it works but for funny/ironic moments it just feels akward and weird. Specially kobeni scary expresions she honestly scares me more than the actual demons for how unsettle is to look at her, and she is suppoust to be the scooby doo or courage of the group.
Csm needed the same animation style from bungo stray dogs or cyberpunk edgerunners or even jujutsu kaisen since they are from the same studio.
You can say whatever you want, the anime is my #2 only just behind DBZ for what I grew up on, but I thought the live action show was good. I had literally just rewatched the show about 3 weeks before Netflix debuted the show so I thought it translated well. ESPECIALLY the Mad Pierrot character. The anime was life changing to see every week as it aired so maybe I’m just a little biased to want ANYTHING new related to Bebop 🤷🏻♂️
The cowboy bebop felt like comic book movie of the 90s. It felt like watching something from the same designers of tank girl but didn’t fit.
I couldn't finish Cowbopy Bebop, after episode 2 I checked out, I love the original but the remake felt plastic. I think if I were to direct/produce, I'd look to color pallette for setting a tone/mood. When I think about the anime, it's almost Bladerunner in atmosphere. The characters are immeadiatley memoriable b/c they 'pop' against the back drop of their universe. Spike's blue, Fayes yellow, Ed's red hair. The characterization was also just bad, Faye just is not Faye. She was a straight asshole and I didn't like the character at all.
I actually wanted to give the show a chance because I loved the anime. But I couldn't even finish the first episode. It felt nothing like the anime and I just knew it wasn't going to deliver the same impact.
When do you think we can see more of? One piece live action. More seasons until monkey D Luffy becomes pirate king.
You better start watching the anime because you're never see the end of this anime in live action because Netflix would be doing one piece for the next 18 years, and there's just so much the live action cut out of the anime to make it fit, like most of the fun and alot of characters and character development
I wasn't familiar with EITHER show as anime prior to watching them in live-action. As a 'new viewer' I thought Bebop was a better show. The crime-noir aspect of Bebop was obviously geared more towards adults, while OnePiece is geared more toward teens. My high-school son watched both with me, and he also thought Bebop was a more interesting show (he is also not familiar with either as anime). I thought the graphics/scenery was great in both, but really excelled in Bebop. The contrast of old & new imagery/scenery, such as 70's-80's furniture & props, used in a gritty/grungy 'modern' space ship... was clever and realistic (everything in the future won't have smooth white walls and no clutter). Faye wasn't my favorite character, but I thought Spike & JetBlack were great characters and well-acted by both actors in the roles. Long story short, while OnePiece certainly wasn't bad, I'd much rather get a 2nd Season of Bebop. I'm sure it'll never happen at this point, but I'll keep my fingers crossed.
If you watch the anime you will hate it.
Kinda like watching Chuck Jones version of the grinch after you watch jim carreys version, or even illumination version for how much they miss the point of the original.
As for one piece is the lord of the rings of anime adaptation since despite some different is still relative faithfull and its a good introduction for anyone who dosn't have the time for reading the books or mangas from these long running framchises. Plus they both have insane world building that they make both star wars and game of thrones look like a childrens books.
Live action bebop didn’t try to capture the essence of the anime. Bebop anime is a show that oozes melancholy, in the first 5 mins of the live action you knew that they hadn’t even tried. What they did to Faye was a crime, in the anime she’s a significantly deeper character. Just watch the anime it’s a significantly better work of art than the live action.
@@jtmz87 like you said CB is a mix between samurai jack and the batman animated series and the live action is a mix between batman and robin and a bad robert Rodriguez film.
I am not a huge animé fan. I knew of Cowboy Bebop by name but that's about it. One Piece I never heard of. I nevet got through Cowboy Bebop. Even though I am a science fiction fan it just didn't grab me. On the other hand I loved One Piece and have started watching the animé.
What about ruroni Kenshin!?
Im waiting for this channel to cover Jujutsu Kaisen!
That’s too bad. John Cho is a great actor.
As a big fan of Bebop, I was disappointed but the person I watched it loved it. She did not have a previous connection or any knowledge of the show.
the biggest problems with any adaptation is people expecting them to be exactly like or very close to the source material.
I'm not a fan of Anime in general, and actually can't stand the One Piece style, so I haven't seen any of the original shows. that been said, here is my personal opinion on both shows (which I actually liked).
I think "Bebop" was made more for adults that haven't seen the original or aren't a fan of Anime (like me), I think that is why it "failed". more serious and grounded, with some comedy or sarcasm here and there (some worked and some didn't). the story was cool, the action sequences were great, the music was amazing. too bad that the Anime and original show fans trashed it so much that they cancelled it without thinking of the non fans that actually liked it. this show made me wanna watch the original anime. I think they should at least make a second season and close the story arc.
In the other hand, "One Piece" was made for younger and adult fans and none fans, and that's why it is a total hit. they brought the comedy and ridiculousness from the Anime to live action in a balance way (not too little and not too much) that made it look and feel good for (again) young and adults fans and none fanes alike. everybody is happy. I really loved this show but, not like "Bebop", I'm not gonna watch any of the Anime because I can't stand that style.
I love scene fights.
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I loved the Cowboy Bebop show. It is truly underrated.
Agreed. In response to this video, I’m going to binge the whole show today and love every frame.
honestly i think because cowboy bebop is so much older anime then one piece and one piece is the more popular anime hands down so i wasnt surprised that it wouldnt be a hit .
Cowboy worked
Had high hopes for this one, but then Netflix was like, " Well, make it better!!!"
Netflix walking that tight rope again with Avatar live action, creators left due to differences.
I just think the Tomorrow Studios made bad decisions, but I feel like because of that, they had better success with One Piece. I just hope there are more lessons learned, because they still showed added immature "mature" jokes in the first episode of One Piece. I think, hire a Matt Owens, a Kevin Feige, someone who actually cares about the IP and the IP's history and content to run things, and respect the original creative teams, as well as what they value in the show.
Cowboy Bebop could have worked real well (with the proper budget, though), it covered 6 episodes of content in 10 episodes (although really more like 9 or 10 episodes, just the first 6 and random pieces or full episodes from the rest of the series), meanwhile One Piece did the first 30 episodes in around 9, with sprinkles from the rest of the series. That should be way easier to adapt if you know or love Bebop. I gives you more time to breathe and expand on the world, which they did, but not in the way the show expands on the world. Constant Obsessions to show the Julia and Vicious narrative, could have been omitted to 2 or 3 episodes, one to tease the character, while the other to create that big season finally effect while also doing what the original show did by subverting the more episodic expectations. Meanwhile, rather than trying to be sarcastic and edgy each episode, they could have subverted it with more of the silly and wonder. The Teddy Bomber episode/Cameo would have been a lot more fun if it still had Cowboy Andy, in fact it might had been even better if they introduced him and all the different side characters in more one off side stories that really helped to show the world. Instead we got more of a space coke story with a new direction it was going.
It's still largely the same as One Piece as that too goes in a different direction from the original, but it shows better planning in where it wants to go based on what they pull from later seasons and what they decide to cover in current seasons. (It also does the better compromise when you do decide to change things by keeping similar tones to the original. It can be cool, but it knows how to still be funny, and One Piece funny, not just typical American TV trope funny. It knows how to still be dramatic, when to be dramatic, and when to still be silly or subvert the viewer's opinions on what they are looking at. It also knows how to better adapt itself too as Sanji is still portrayed as a pervy flirt, but in a way that doesn't offend Modern American sensibilities)
I enjoyed the Cowboy Bebop show. Would have liked another season.
I loved it
Man please cover anime!! I’m over the MCU and Star Wars so I barely come to this channel anymore, Anime is the only “Nerd” property that I still care about.
they both look like adult film production imo
I liken any adaptation to trying to paint an oil painting with water colours or crayons.
Novels, comic books, manga and anime offer the author completely different sets of tools to engage and grip the audience. And because those tools are vastly different from medium to medium, something that works in one medium doesn't necessarily translate well to another.
Take the literary device of the "inner monologue" for example. It's great when you read it in novels, comics and manga, but using it in live action and animation means you are going to lose your audience. So, when adapting the inner monologue you need to find other ways to get your point across.
Going back to the analogy: Imagine having the task to paint the Mona Lisa with water colours. How do you do it? You could try to do a one-to-one recreation of the painting but that won't really do justice to the Mona Lisa because oil colours blend in different ways than water colors. What you will get is a pale imitation of the Mona Lisa.
This is why most Japanese live-action adaptations don't work by the way. They transfer the source material *exactly* as it is on screen and the result is often not something you can take seriously.
So painting the Mona Lisa with water colors doesn't quite work if you do it accurately. What actually works is using the water colors and the base of the Mona Lisa to create in your own way, with your own set of tools, something that invokes the same *feeling* you get while seeing the original Mona Lisa.
So the adaptation is now not a question of "how do I translate the original on screen" but rather "what does the original make me feel".
Ultimately, what does the original *mean* for me?
This is why most Western adaptations don't work. Most of them are made by people who just don't get the source material and in some cases even actively hate it. And their lack of connection shows on screen.
The main reason the Cowboy Bebop adaptation didn't work was because it's clear that the people who made it were not fans of the original. They didn't get excited when Spike displayed his unique brand of martial arts on the first episode, almost dancing to Yoko Kanno's iconic music. They didn't laugh at Fay Valentine's introduction. They didn't get shocked when they found out Spike's past. They didn't cry at the final "Bang" on episode 25 and didn't bawl their eyes out when "The real folk blues" was heard one final time on screen.
Ultimately, Cowboy Bebop didn't actually *mean* anything to them. It was just a paycheck. And their indifference showed on screen at the abomination that ended up being the end result. Because the people who made the adaptation felt nothing, the audience ended up receiving nothing.
If you feel nothing when you look at the Mona Lisa, what are you doing repainting it in the first place?
The main reason the live adaptation of One Piece worked was that the source material was important to the people who made it. Matt Owens, the show's writer and producer has gone on record to say that One Piece saved his life and many of the actors involved either were fans of the franchise (Mackenyu & Emily Rudd) or became invested afterwards (Skylar & Godoy).
The people who made the Live-Action adaptation of One Piece did a good job of transferring the feeling of reading One Piece on screen because it *meant* something to them. They each put a piece of their love and their soul on screen and the result was something brilliant.
They didn't just please old fans they bought new fans into the franchise because they knew One Piece was amazing in its own merits and knew that if they made something that gave you the *feeling* of reading the original One Piece, other people would find it amazing as well.
Was the One Piece adaptation perfect? Not by a long shot (Usopp's character was criminally mishandled IMO). It was however a perfect representation of how One Piece actually *feels* and for that it will also have a special place for me.
If for nothing else in that it got the people close to me to *finally* understand what was so special about that weird "Japanese super-powered pirate cartoon" I've been watching for the past 20 years.
In the end, painting the Mona Lisa with water colours is just not possible. The best you can hope for is for your water painting to bring out the same feelings you had when you looked at the Mona Lisa. If you do it right, your little sibling who bumps into your water drawing will realise that the Mona Lisa is something truly unique and incredible in its own right...
...and will strive to one day look at the Mona Lisa with their own eyes to experience more of the feelings your water drawing brought out from them.
The writing its so realistic !!!