This sums up what's been going on. Even if Dark World floped and Ironman 3 wasn't a big success, Marvel still believed in their vision of a cinematic universe, and that's what made the MCU great back in the day.
@@benoni83but iron man 3 was a huge success. It was Marvel's highest grossing non Avenger movie until Civil War, which was basically an Avenger movie. Thor the Dark World was also a success, at the time of release it was the highest grossing MCU that wasn't Avenger or Iron Man 3.TDW did much better than the first 2 Iron Man movies and Captain America. The Eternals was a commercial and critical flop. Unlike those movies you listed not even fans flocked to see it.
I saw Eternals at the theater with my teenage daughter and wife... I couldn't tell ya how many times we all went "woooow woooah" it was a very fun watch. We really enjoyed it. Was really looking forward to part 2
One of the biggest complaints I heard around when thus came out was “it just feels so disconnected from everything else” and I always just thought “well yeah it just came out”
That's not what they meant. They were saying that inside the mcu world, it felt like the events in the eternals were taking place on a completely different earth than the one we had come to know from all the movies before it. So it having just came out back then is irrelevant in that context.
i been dying on the hill that Eternals should be a major focus and im okay with it. i loved that movie so much. the amount of universe establishing lore stuffed in that thing is crazy
How I see it, the Eternals would’ve explained the mutants, how the X gene was introduced into humanity and combined with the Snap, ignited the evolution of humans on Earth…with the impending threat of returning Celestials coming for Tiamat…how does humanity survive their changes in the species and a cosmic threat…
I might be one of the few Eternals enjoyers who wants Marvel to give them a tv show. It was a lot of characters and things they could've touched on, but only had a limited amount of time with those 2+ hours. And we need Marvel to integrate them with the other MCU heroes. Don't just toss the Eternals on the shelf.
I REALLY want a dark, gritty Midnight Suns movie. Give us Werewolf by Night, Blade, Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, and Man-Thing going up against Mephisto or Lilith. Make it dark, scary, gory. It’s past due.
I liked the Eternals. It wasn’t perfect, but it was interesting and introduced some characters I wanted to see more of. Then there was Harry Styles. You’re just going to tease us with that and then never do anything with it? Shame on you Disney.
I couldn't care less about any of this, all i want is more mutants. Deadpool and Wolverine literally saved Marvel, and X-Men 97 was unexpectedly awesome. Let phase 4 (or is 5?) die once and for all!
i hate that Disney forced Marvel to pump out as much as possible for Disney plus which lead them to lose creative focus and now Disney comes in again and tells them that's why they can't be creative anymore... I hope at least Agatha All Along helped them (re)convince Disney that creative risks pay off :/
Life is too short to wait a decade for one saga to finish. I wish people would understand there are literally thousands of characters in marvel I wish we could get a movie and a tv show every quarter
Claiming I thought Eternals was good is an understatement. I’m my rankings, Eternals is above Far From Home and close to No Way Home for post Endgame movies. Yes, I think Eternals is shared #1 spot with No Way Home. Eternals was good because of its freshness, it was different to all the other Marvel movies and still epic in scale but felt intimate at the same time? I can never forgive the idiot fans that couldn’t grow up and watch a beautiful movie instead of another cookie cutter marvel movie. Unfortunately, the real negatives of Eternals that I had read is mostly there were not enough time to flesh out each eternal. Yes, that means not enough Eternals. We need Eternals 2 for the fucking health of the MCU
I think that the biggest issues has been too many people want to re-experience the End Game feeling with so many connected characters and storylines, but forget how many years it took to get to that point. I have enjoyed all the films that have come out, and really like that they are trying different things to appeal to other people and groups. Not everything is a film that will watch multiple times a day, but still enjoy watching the entire content of TV and films before each new installment.
@@MAGAWillSaveTheWorld Then again, with a handle like that the depiction of two men lovingly raising a child and a woman being in charge and a person with a disability winning fights probably scared and scarred part of the audience.
@@Justanotherconsumer I just now realise sth from your comment. These Eternal things, at least in the MCU, are robots right? That begs the question of how the fck there is one that is disabled??? I think this one makes ppl scratch their heads more than scares them away 😅
@ucmanhvuong4301 that's easy, literally every movie ever involving some kind of robots has some that have a manufacturing error or a bug, or a defect of some kind. It usually will give the robots more human characteristics. Just like they give Jolie's character a form of dementia. One could argue that the reset mind wipe thing could have fixed those issues for the robots but it would have made them lose pivotal parts of their robot identity.
This, and for the first time in ages. It was a movie that didn’t rely on humour, ever since guardians of the galaxy, all marvel movies have a similar theme to it of humour, that’s really getting washed out and cringe. Eternals reminds me of og Thor etc and was serious. Probably the best marvel movie since infinity war
@@redshadow4146 Yeah, Love and Thunder was horrible in my opinion. Just joke after joke after joke. It was like they were under the impression that if they went 20 plus seconds without making a joke they would have to forfeit their lives. It was ridiculous.
@@mitchcowan1446 , nor does denying it make it false, or wrong. All I can say for certain is: a) that this is my favorite MCU movie, b) I know more than a few people who consider it the worst movie experience they've ever had. (In my opinion, those people are lucky if this is as bad as it's been for them. May they never witness true cinematic horror.)
The same mfs that cried about the mcu being formulated. Decided to moan about movies like eternals that did the exact opposite. It felt like i watching those orgin documentaries from the history / discovery channel
Exactly; it's so wild living in this society with so many people who don't seem to have a CLUE about what they are doing; We have the power to motivate these studios to make MORE films, ore LESS -- MORE Tv shows; or LESS --- and people keep giving way too much attention to the folks who's WHINING always results in us getting LESS ... instead of MORE ......
Yes I was saying this when phase 4 started. People didn’t give it a chance from the start. Some comic books fans will never actually be happy with the movies. It’s a shame
@@rileyolson6008 Of course they won't. They're not the same. I remember when Interview with a Vampire came out. I was a fan of the book so when I went to go see the movie a felt like screaming at every little thing that was different. (Louis wasn't depressed because he lost his wife and child in childbirth, there was a whole thing about wither or not his brother saw visions and ended up killing himself after Louis didn't believe him.) The movie was still good, but I still noticed the small little changes. As Henry Cavill pointed out, it isn't that the fans are being jerks so much as the fans are passionate about their favorite franchises.
@@darrekworkman5595 addressing your 'not the same' --- DUH -- no offense; but that is what "adaptation" means --- it's literally not the same; we live in a society of people who don't know what words Mean anymore ---- You go into a FILM that is an "adaptation" of a book, and you expect it to be the SAME as the book; when that is NOT what 'adaptation' means ---- THEN you call a thing BAD cause it's not the SAME as the book; instead of appreciating WHAT it is; which IS different; and not the same; as it was not supposed to be 'the same' to begin with .... It being different, does not make it bad; but I"m explaining this, to a person who does not understand what words mean; so this problem won't be resolved today -
I have an uncle who asked me if there were any "gay stuff" in the movie, when I confirmed that there was a kiss, he didn't even bother seeing the movie. And that's why the rotten tomatoes score was shitty and why people claimed to hate it, even though they likely didn't watch it. Also. Eternals and X-Men should both be a TV series introducing a character per episode.
Eternal was way better than people rated it. The response reminded me of how audiences responded to Contact when it hit theaters. Now Contact is a classic. Eternal is not that caliber but it was conceptually big in the same way. I enjoyed it and wanted more.
For a movie that most people disliked because it's boring and slow paced, i just can't see how the jokes and light hearted moments would be the main problem
Folks forget Eternals came out in 2021, no one wasn’t going to the theaters till No Way Home came out which was at the end of 2021… Had Eternals come out after No Way Home then it might’ve done better.
Aaaah. That hurts. This approach of Disney to go for "guaranteed hits" is exactly the reason how the Sequels that must not be named (but to give a clue: There's a parentless child on a dessert planet, a planet killing space station and... oh, and somehow, Palpatine returned) happened. When will they ever learn???
Marvel/disney: make a heart touching indie/like super hero movie Also Marvel/disney: change this, change this, add jokes here. Change this... movie does "bad" Also also Marvel/disney: It was the director and the subject not us
I mean when was the last time we speculated a cliff hanger as much as Tiumut in the ocean? We are still wondering about that and Eternals have that to us so I think the movie did its job
I stand by the opinion that if you left the movie (almost) exactly as it was and it was instead The Eternals 2... it would've worked. Give me all of the backstory and the buildup and their journey through time, ending with the group splitting apart... and then have the whole Icarus storyline in the second one! Visually, this movie is stunning. Nothing can take that away. But I didn't feel connected to these characters, so having to watch their build up and breakup and reunion all in the same movie was a bit much.
I agree. If they had the origins of the team as one movie, it would have given more time to get to know the characters and them as a team, and then give us that gut punch at the end when they split up. Make it a period piece like Captain America: First Avenger, and then continue that plot in the next one. The setting of the ancient world was so facinating, if the whole movie was them travelling to different civilizations, watching them grow, and the end was the fight where they kill all the deviants, that would have been so unique and intersting. Have the end credit scene be Icarus killing Ajak, and make us wonder why for the years between movies. Leave us wanting more.
Even "flops" can have great story telling. The whole point of a franchise for the studios is long-term profits, and as you point out a great foundation story can spawn even greater hits in its sequels and other following chapters. I loved your idea that the Eternals would have benefited from a longer format production - there is an obvious appetite for multi-part offerings when done well on an epic scale as demonstrated with Dune (even if it has taken a few attempts over the decades)
As much as people may have disliked the eternals , it had the best set up for future films in marvel imo even more so than Antman and kang. The celestials have been teased for so long and to actually get a "lengthy" scene featuring them just to have it shelved totally sucks.
Eternals was good and I think they should have another crack at it but maybe with a new team of writers. It starts out well but then you never care enough about the characters to have their story hit you in the gut. When Gilgamesh dies it felt more like this was a must have than an actual tragedy for the story. Thena could have leaned a bit more in her mental health issues to make her more relatable but then you find out they're all robots anyway and it makes you wonder if any of it matters if they can just spin off a new copy. Dan Whitman was an interesting addition but it felt out of place given his place in Marvel lore (which we're probably not seeing any time soon either anyway). Ginko was just too goofy and the idea of no one noticing that he never dies is the same trope for every immortal character out there who becomes a celebrity, the suspension of disbelief is hard to hold on to. Make a second one, set it in space and fix the CGI for pip the troll, it looked like it was rendered the day before the premiere.
I hear what you’re saying and I agree they need to take more risks than they have been. But one thing to keep in mind is making movies costs a lot of money. And you need the financial success of these tentpole movies to absorb the risk of these more creative movies that will likely lose money. Obviously money can’t be the sole reason for making a movie. But it’s definitely a big part.
Kevin Feige needs to see this. Back in the ‘90s, comics used subtle editor’s notes for crossovers: ‘This happened in Incredible Hulk No. 356. -Your friendly neighborhood Stan.’ That little note was enough to get me excited and dive into that comic-or, if I’d already read it, marvel at how the stories were entangled. Imagine the MCU doing this: when Ajak tells Ikaris about Thanos’ snap, a note pops up: ‘This happened in Avengers: Endgame. -Your friendly director, Chloé Zhao.’ No flashy cameos, just clever connections.
i didn’t like this movie but when you compared it in the context of phase 1, i now totally agree with you. they’re closing a pretty big door by not doing another.
Marvel productions across the board need to find creative ways to make their films cheaper. Eternals only failed because of how high he budget was. I'll point to Agatha All Along to show how a more limited budget really makes or breaks the perceived "box office" numbers. I know, cheaper budgets equals reduced effects, but as an industry, they need to find ways to make computer effects more affordable.
6:57 I think Agatha shows that a multi-cased show works if it's an episodic tv series. Each member had an episode they're focused on, told their story and developed a character we can get behind. If Eternals had that structure and each member had a chance to tell their story in a episodes, this series would have potential for future projects.
A series focusing on the Great Lakes Avengers with HEAVY Midwest aesthetic and charm, slowed down tempo, but with major overarching tension and some big action scenese, in a Coen Brothers style calmness would be noice.
I'll give It the benefit of a doubt that it's alright. Captain Marvel seemed way more likable than in her other appearances. Ms Marvel was cool. I didn't really care for that other hero.
I wanted to like this movie so badly, but it just left me cold. Should have felt epic, but it feels small. Too many characters to develop, ended up not caring about any of them. Was definitely bored at times. Doesn’t feel like it’s connected to the MCU, there’s very limited connective tissue. To top it off, Harry Styles felt like the biggest stunt casting in the MCU. He’s just completely dull, like they were relying on the audience knowing who he is instead of giving him a reason to be there. I’m glad they aren’t doing another. I appreciate the risk and scope, but this was a miss, and I can’t fault them for pulling the plug.
I don't think the MCU is ENTIRELY out of originality considering Agatha was a bigger hit than anticipated (whether you liked it or hated it does not matter, the numbers are still there). Just put Jac Shaeffer on your project and it'll turn out alright.
Eternals was definitely the most over hated MCU movie and one of the more recent times I genuinely disagreed with the majority of people’s opinion. There so much they could do with these characters.
I would love to see an Eternals 2! I really enjoyed the ensemble cast and the amazing visuals! now that most of the exposition and backstory is out of the way I think the next story would be free to really open the world and give us fun space epic! and of course...we HAVE TO KNOW what Harry styles was gonna do with the golden snitch!
@@user-oi3ry9dx9u that's your opinion but I actually grew up loving the Eternals in the comics so I thought the movie wusnt half bad. You obviously didn't enjoy the comics
This is just an unconnected pantheon of heroes. It has no meaningful connection to the wider MCU. They are rebranded New Gods by a Jack Kirby returning to Marvel without participating in its continuity. Recognizable stuff that people relate to. That's what they needed.
The Eternals are too many to introduce in a single film. Their powers are too abstract and too powerful to be compelling. Their "villains" are boring monsters with no character or giant space gods with... no character. There is no relationship to regular people or human scale heroic deeds. They are divorced from a moving and involved relationship to the world that hosts them. They live apart and don't serve the good. They tend a world of weak, insignificant, irrelevant people for uncaring space gods who only set it up to farm lives. Why would anyone want to see them at all? Next you'll fight for an Inhumans movie?
The Eternals should have been a TV Show !!! And Dane Witman should have turned into the Black Knight with a action scene during the final battle and been with them the whole movie and the sword on the ship should have been his and the post credits still could have been the same
I really enjoyed the Eternals. It was a breath of fresh air compared to the other Marvel movies. I remember watching it in the cinema multiple times. I just hope they change their mind about a sequel. I think every marvel movie needs a trilogy, the Eternals especially.
17:02 there is no sandbox Ryan, you are just wrong, it may have once been a sandbox, but it is now more like a bunch of Jenga pieces stacked on top of each other and they just keep adding pieces, and none of the pieces line up anymore cuz they've lost the framework that they originally built it's quite simple actually even you're talking dog could understand
I would like to break comment etiquette and say something nice 😱 I love the fierce optimism and grace and compassion and understanding of this channel - and this vid - that's always on display from Ryan, Colton and crew. I love the love. And I just wanna share some appreciation. Also Thor Ragnarok was my highlight too! And what a great case for Eternals 2! And for Marvel creative freedom. 😘
Do you guys think eternals received such bad rotten tomato scores because there’s a same sex couple with a kid in it? I genuinely think people are that petty. Cause even though it wasnt an action packed film with jokes like all other MCU films. But I don’t think it deserved such bad ratings - worse than Incredible Hulk and Thor 2. Come on. I find that really hard to believe.
No it was boring and rushed.. and kumail was bad casting. They literally could have filled seats all over the indian subcontinent if they had actually cast a hot bollywood actor
No that wasn’t the case. I figured some would make it seem like that was the case when the real problem came down to pacing and connectivity. As long as the movie is the story feels rushed just to get a point to answer the question: “Where were the eternals when Thanos was coming?” The answer made little to no sense and then we were left with a big frozen celestial in the ocean that was left unmentioned for almost 5 years.
@ all of that is still not enough to make me believe it’s worse than Thor 2, Incredible Hulk, hell even Thor 4. It was better than a lot of shit they’ve been shelling out in recent years. It’s still not making sense. So I think my point still stands.
I love Ryan, but i think it's important to understand how critical budgeting and profit are to movies. You can't spend over 230 million dollars only to make about 400 million, and then complain that Marvel made a mistake by canceling a movie. That makes no sense at all.
Perhaps they’re planning to incorporate them back in via other movie franchises before going back to make a sequel. I hope we see them in doomsday, secret wars, X-men, guardians, maybe even some street level stuff to begin to rebuild their credit with the fandom. I mean, Tiamat is coming into brave new world, so anything can happen here, right?
I wonder how Eternals would have been received if it got the full Marvel push without the Covid restrictions. It had a marketable cast and a director coming off a best director win at the Oscars. I think they were looking for the next Guardians of the Galaxy with lesser known Marvel characters breaking through.
But is it risky to cast Cavill as Sinister?! Or is Superman in Domination Bondage leather no marketable to Soccer moms if Elektra, mother of 3, is his personal dancing girl & food taster
With so much being shot in studios these days, in front of green screens, it was quite refreshing to see this film being shot on location. If nothing else, it's beautiful to look at. Props to Chloe and the cinematographer.
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Imagine if the critical reception to Dark World meant we’d never get Ragnarok. That’s the community right now.
This sums up what's been going on. Even if Dark World floped and Ironman 3 wasn't a big success, Marvel still believed in their vision of a cinematic universe, and that's what made the MCU great back in the day.
Wrong!!!!
Ppl know and love Thor and no one cares about any of thoese charactors.
exactly.
@@benoni83but iron man 3 was a huge success. It was Marvel's highest grossing non Avenger movie until Civil War, which was basically an Avenger movie. Thor the Dark World was also a success, at the time of release it was the highest grossing MCU that wasn't Avenger or Iron Man 3.TDW did much better than the first 2 Iron Man movies and Captain America.
The Eternals was a commercial and critical flop. Unlike those movies you listed not even fans flocked to see it.
I saw Eternals at the theater with my teenage daughter and wife... I couldn't tell ya how many times we all went "woooow woooah" it was a very fun watch. We really enjoyed it. Was really looking forward to part 2
I took my two daughters as well. I thought it was pretty damn good? Lol people just have to complain about something.
@Zehneee exactly.
I think it should have been a show maybe like 8 or 12 episodes so we can spend more time with each character and get more seasons
@@RobertDownySenior ya, I'd agree with that
Theres SO MUCH more about these characters to explore.
I personally enjoyed Eternals, but I can see why it wasn’t that well received
I don't get why it was that badly relieved. People hate it and it's so well made
Agreed... the Eternals' world is too large to not have a sequel.. agree with you @Screencrush!
It should’ve been a Disney+ show
Yeah this is where I’m at
I enjoyed it, have rewatched it and was looking forward to a sequel
Corporate greed always ruins everything, from water and air to entertainment.
That’s capitalism in a nutshell 😪
Don't forget politics
I hope Agatha shows the higher ups that the stuff that isn’t exactly a guaranteed hit can be amazing
Agatha can do no wrong.
One of the biggest complaints I heard around when thus came out was “it just feels so disconnected from everything else” and I always just thought “well yeah it just came out”
That's so true
It came during out lockdown but the movie was amazing and doesn’t excuse the reviews tbh
That's not what they meant. They were saying that inside the mcu world, it felt like the events in the eternals were taking place on a completely different earth than the one we had come to know from all the movies before it. So it having just came out back then is irrelevant in that context.
i been dying on the hill that Eternals should be a major focus and im okay with it. i loved that movie so much. the amount of universe establishing lore stuffed in that thing is crazy
Yeah, but audiences don't. Audiences don't give a crap about the eternals.
@@shadowtitan8545and that is all that matters (especially now where opening a hit movie is much tougher)
@@shadowtitan8545 and now we pay for their ignorance
I agree, my friend.
I'm there with you. I got your back!
How I see it, the Eternals would’ve explained the mutants, how the X gene was introduced into humanity and combined with the Snap, ignited the evolution of humans on Earth…with the impending threat of returning Celestials coming for Tiamat…how does humanity survive their changes in the species and a cosmic threat…
yeah they are gonna explain that with the multiverse now...
Should Marvel make Eternals 2?
no
No
Yes!
No. They would never gave the creative freedom that the director wanted...That already killed the first one
Yes
I might be one of the few Eternals enjoyers who wants Marvel to give them a tv show. It was a lot of characters and things they could've touched on, but only had a limited amount of time with those 2+ hours. And we need Marvel to integrate them with the other MCU heroes. Don't just toss the Eternals on the shelf.
I REALLY want a dark, gritty Midnight Suns movie. Give us Werewolf by Night, Blade, Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, and Man-Thing going up against Mephisto or Lilith. Make it dark, scary, gory. It’s past due.
FOR REAL
Well they actually did Moon Knight as a Disney Plus series.
@@copperhead228 not really the same thing?
@edwinoscar91 Yeah, not really the same thing. The beginning was really good. But then it became predictable with the classic Marvel writing.
I liked the Eternals. It wasn’t perfect, but it was interesting and introduced some characters I wanted to see more of. Then there was Harry Styles. You’re just going to tease us with that and then never do anything with it? Shame on you Disney.
Instead they delivered Echo and tons of Monica Rambeau's variants nobody asked for.
Yup, Disney knows no shame.
Don't forget they teased Black Knight & Blade as well in Eternals...
The Eternals is one of my favorite mcu movie since Endgame. Good story, interesting characters, great cast and visually satisfying.
Me too
Completely agree!
it’s just one of my favorites. period.
Me to Eternals after the release of Quantumania, Love & Thunder and The Marvels:
"Perhaps I treated you too harshly"
People like you are the reason it all sucks now. Just shut up.
I couldn't care less about any of this, all i want is more mutants.
Deadpool and Wolverine literally saved Marvel, and X-Men 97 was unexpectedly awesome.
Let phase 4 (or is 5?) die once and for all!
@@efxnews4776 who are you?
The marvels was good wtf …
I like antman three
Captain Rambeau, was not a mistake 0:16
Agreed
Yeah, what’s wrong with her?
Fr they better re-edit this vid and take that out 😤
I think they were referencing the Marvels with that and not the character of Monica Rambeau
@ ahh, I personally kinda liked The Marvels, but that makes sense.
i hate that Disney forced Marvel to pump out as much as possible for Disney plus which lead them to lose creative focus and now Disney comes in again and tells them that's why they can't be creative anymore... I hope at least Agatha All Along helped them (re)convince Disney that creative risks pay off :/
Life is too short to wait a decade for one saga to finish. I wish people would understand there are literally thousands of characters in marvel I wish we could get a movie and a tv show every quarter
Did it? Agatha the gayest Marvel show e-ver
Eternals is one of my favorite marvel movies because if the scale the cosmic horror aspect i hope they do more
And doesn’t rely on cringe marvel humour ! That’s like 80s audience enjoy!
Claiming I thought Eternals was good is an understatement. I’m my rankings, Eternals is above Far From Home and close to No Way Home for post Endgame movies. Yes, I think Eternals is shared #1 spot with No Way Home.
Eternals was good because of its freshness, it was different to all the other Marvel movies and still epic in scale but felt intimate at the same time? I can never forgive the idiot fans that couldn’t grow up and watch a beautiful movie instead of another cookie cutter marvel movie.
Unfortunately, the real negatives of Eternals that I had read is mostly there were not enough time to flesh out each eternal. Yes, that means not enough Eternals.
We need Eternals 2 for the fucking health of the MCU
100% agreed, what keeps me watching Marvel movies at this point is hopes of them making Eternals 2
I think that the biggest issues has been too many people want to re-experience the End Game feeling with so many connected characters and storylines, but forget how many years it took to get to that point. I have enjoyed all the films that have come out, and really like that they are trying different things to appeal to other people and groups. Not everything is a film that will watch multiple times a day, but still enjoy watching the entire content of TV and films before each new installment.
I find eternals one of the best modern marvel movies. The VFX on this movie are beautiful
same; I didn't mind the "pace" either; love how it all Unfolds .... a beautiful story; that leaves us wanting to see more -
I found it refreshing, the change, from the movies we have had before
@@crispynx40 same here; the Direction of the film alone; so Cinematic - truly a different pace from everything else
Eternals was massively underrated
It had pacing and structure issues.
Not at all.
@@MAGAWillSaveTheWorld
Then again, with a handle like that the depiction of two men lovingly raising a child and a woman being in charge and a person with a disability winning fights probably scared and scarred part of the audience.
@@Justanotherconsumer I just now realise sth from your comment. These Eternal things, at least in the MCU, are robots right? That begs the question of how the fck there is one that is disabled??? I think this one makes ppl scratch their heads more than scares them away 😅
@ucmanhvuong4301 that's easy, literally every movie ever involving some kind of robots has some that have a manufacturing error or a bug, or a defect of some kind. It usually will give the robots more human characteristics. Just like they give Jolie's character a form of dementia.
One could argue that the reset mind wipe thing could have fixed those issues for the robots but it would have made them lose pivotal parts of their robot identity.
Eternals is better than most Marvel movies. I said it.
This, and for the first time in ages. It was a movie that didn’t rely on humour, ever since guardians of the galaxy, all marvel movies have a similar theme to it of humour, that’s really getting washed out and cringe. Eternals reminds me of og Thor etc and was serious. Probably the best marvel movie since infinity war
@@redshadow4146 Yeah, Love and Thunder was horrible in my opinion. Just joke after joke after joke. It was like they were under the impression that if they went 20 plus seconds without making a joke they would have to forfeit their lives. It was ridiculous.
Saying it doesn't make it true, or correct
@@mitchcowan1446 , nor does denying it make it false, or wrong.
All I can say for certain is: a) that this is my favorite MCU movie, b) I know more than a few people who consider it the worst movie experience they've ever had.
(In my opinion, those people are lucky if this is as bad as it's been for them. May they never witness true cinematic horror.)
@ Good point Mitch. Thanks for clarifying for us.
The same mfs that cried about the mcu being formulated. Decided to moan about movies like eternals that did the exact opposite.
It felt like i watching those orgin documentaries from the history / discovery channel
Exactly; it's so wild living in this society with so many people who don't seem to have a CLUE about what they are doing; We have the power to motivate these studios to make MORE films, ore LESS -- MORE Tv shows; or LESS --- and people keep giving way too much attention to the folks who's WHINING always results in us getting LESS ... instead of MORE ......
Yes I was saying this when phase 4 started. People didn’t give it a chance from the start. Some comic books fans will never actually be happy with the movies. It’s a shame
@@topnetworkersgroup It isn't a matter of more or less. It's a matter of quality versus quantity.
@@rileyolson6008 Of course they won't. They're not the same. I remember when Interview with a Vampire came out. I was a fan of the book so when I went to go see the movie a felt like screaming at every little thing that was different. (Louis wasn't depressed because he lost his wife and child in childbirth, there was a whole thing about wither or not his brother saw visions and ended up killing himself after Louis didn't believe him.) The movie was still good, but I still noticed the small little changes. As Henry Cavill pointed out, it isn't that the fans are being jerks so much as the fans are passionate about their favorite franchises.
@@darrekworkman5595 addressing your 'not the same' --- DUH -- no offense; but that is what "adaptation" means --- it's literally not the same; we live in a society of people who don't know what words Mean anymore ---- You go into a FILM that is an "adaptation" of a book, and you expect it to be the SAME as the book; when that is NOT what 'adaptation' means ---- THEN you call a thing BAD cause it's not the SAME as the book; instead of appreciating WHAT it is; which IS different; and not the same; as it was not supposed to be 'the same' to begin with ....
It being different, does not make it bad; but I"m explaining this, to a person who does not understand what words mean; so this problem won't be resolved today -
I have an uncle who asked me if there were any "gay stuff" in the movie, when I confirmed that there was a kiss, he didn't even bother seeing the movie. And that's why the rotten tomatoes score was shitty and why people claimed to hate it, even though they likely didn't watch it.
Also. Eternals and X-Men should both be a TV series introducing a character per episode.
Eternal was way better than people rated it. The response reminded me of how audiences responded to Contact when it hit theaters. Now Contact is a classic. Eternal is not that caliber but it was conceptually big in the same way. I enjoyed it and wanted more.
Went to the theater and seen it twice. Loved it. I wish we got part 2
For a movie that most people disliked because it's boring and slow paced, i just can't see how the jokes and light hearted moments would be the main problem
This fandom doesn't deserve Eternals, they want 11 seasons of avengers before infinity war.
Folks forget Eternals came out in 2021, no one wasn’t going to the theaters till No Way Home came out which was at the end of 2021… Had Eternals come out after No Way Home then it might’ve done better.
I agree 100% we want the universe to be expanded. There is so many beautiful stories to be told.
I loved externals when I saw it in theaters so interesting and different. Druid displaying his powers was crazy!
Aaaah. That hurts. This approach of Disney to go for "guaranteed hits" is exactly the reason how the Sequels that must not be named (but to give a clue: There's a parentless child on a dessert planet, a planet killing space station and... oh, and somehow, Palpatine returned) happened. When will they ever learn???
AAA was a step in the right direction.
Marvel/disney: make a heart touching indie/like super hero movie
Also Marvel/disney: change this, change this, add jokes here. Change this...
movie does "bad"
Also also Marvel/disney: It was the director and the subject not us
I agree!!! I was looking fwd to an Eternals 2
same here; they could've introduced Blade and Dane Whitman by now as Black Knight; and told us So much MORE - by now -- setting up a part 3
I mean when was the last time we speculated a cliff hanger as much as Tiumut in the ocean? We are still wondering about that and Eternals have that to us so I think the movie did its job
Eternals is and has been my FAV mcu project to date... I see a TRILOGY!
I stand by the opinion that if you left the movie (almost) exactly as it was and it was instead The Eternals 2... it would've worked. Give me all of the backstory and the buildup and their journey through time, ending with the group splitting apart... and then have the whole Icarus storyline in the second one! Visually, this movie is stunning. Nothing can take that away. But I didn't feel connected to these characters, so having to watch their build up and breakup and reunion all in the same movie was a bit much.
I agree. If they had the origins of the team as one movie, it would have given more time to get to know the characters and them as a team, and then give us that gut punch at the end when they split up. Make it a period piece like Captain America: First Avenger, and then continue that plot in the next one. The setting of the ancient world was so facinating, if the whole movie was them travelling to different civilizations, watching them grow, and the end was the fight where they kill all the deviants, that would have been so unique and intersting. Have the end credit scene be Icarus killing Ajak, and make us wonder why for the years between movies. Leave us wanting more.
Even "flops" can have great story telling. The whole point of a franchise for the studios is long-term profits, and as you point out a great foundation story can spawn even greater hits in its sequels and other following chapters.
I loved your idea that the Eternals would have benefited from a longer format production - there is an obvious appetite for multi-part offerings when done well on an epic scale as demonstrated with Dune (even if it has taken a few attempts over the decades)
They probably cancelled it because there’s not a screen crush video on how it connects to Agatha.
this made my day
I loved Eternals. I am still upset no one gave it a chance.
Me to it was great
I argue with people about how good this film was, all, the, time
It had the bad people as loving parents so those with bearded necks were outraged.
As much as people may have disliked the eternals , it had the best set up for future films in marvel imo even more so than Antman and kang. The celestials have been teased for so long and to actually get a "lengthy" scene featuring them just to have it shelved totally sucks.
Yes. Let us get Eternals 2. Justice 4 Eternals
Eternals was good and I think they should have another crack at it but maybe with a new team of writers. It starts out well but then you never care enough about the characters to have their story hit you in the gut. When Gilgamesh dies it felt more like this was a must have than an actual tragedy for the story. Thena could have leaned a bit more in her mental health issues to make her more relatable but then you find out they're all robots anyway and it makes you wonder if any of it matters if they can just spin off a new copy. Dan Whitman was an interesting addition but it felt out of place given his place in Marvel lore (which we're probably not seeing any time soon either anyway). Ginko was just too goofy and the idea of no one noticing that he never dies is the same trope for every immortal character out there who becomes a celebrity, the suspension of disbelief is hard to hold on to.
Make a second one, set it in space and fix the CGI for pip the troll, it looked like it was rendered the day before the premiere.
Yes! I've been saying that since it came out! You guys are awesome!
I hear what you’re saying and I agree they need to take more risks than they have been. But one thing to keep in mind is making movies costs a lot of money. And you need the financial success of these tentpole movies to absorb the risk of these more creative movies that will likely lose money. Obviously money can’t be the sole reason for making a movie. But it’s definitely a big part.
I remembered watching this that Kingo was an absolute delight. Balancing so many new characters in the movie was going to be hard.
I enjoyed the Eternals tbh with you....i actually liked it..
7:17 dam the way you described it made me wana watch it again…maybe I missed something 😭
Kevin Feige needs to see this. Back in the ‘90s, comics used subtle editor’s notes for crossovers: ‘This happened in Incredible Hulk No. 356. -Your friendly neighborhood Stan.’ That little note was enough to get me excited and dive into that comic-or, if I’d already read it, marvel at how the stories were entangled. Imagine the MCU doing this: when Ajak tells Ikaris about Thanos’ snap, a note pops up: ‘This happened in Avengers: Endgame. -Your friendly director, Chloé Zhao.’ No flashy cameos, just clever connections.
i didn’t like this movie but when you compared it in the context of phase 1, i now totally agree with you. they’re closing a pretty big door by not doing another.
Marvel productions across the board need to find creative ways to make their films cheaper. Eternals only failed because of how high he budget was. I'll point to Agatha All Along to show how a more limited budget really makes or breaks the perceived "box office" numbers. I know, cheaper budgets equals reduced effects, but as an industry, they need to find ways to make computer effects more affordable.
6:57 I think Agatha shows that a multi-cased show works if it's an episodic tv series.
Each member had an episode they're focused on, told their story and developed a character we can get behind.
If Eternals had that structure and each member had a chance to tell their story in a episodes, this series would have potential for future projects.
OH MY GOD. THE AMOUNT OF AD REELS
Also, Zhao was hired in 2018, before Black Panther had even been nominated for anything.
I loved The Eternals.
Great video essay! You make very valid points!
DEFINITELY should do Eternals 2
A series focusing on the Great Lakes Avengers with HEAVY Midwest aesthetic and charm, slowed down tempo, but with major overarching tension and some big action scenese, in a Coen Brothers style calmness would be noice.
I don’t necessarily think they need another movie, but they should definitely be featured in someone else’s.
And they will be. You’ll see some of these characters in the next Guardians or the Nova project.
It's almost like Marvel Studios is a BUSINESS operating in the entertainment INDUSTRY...
The Marvels was great. But hearing that there was a longer and more epic cut, kinda pisses me off.
I'll give It the benefit of a doubt that it's alright. Captain Marvel seemed way more likable than in her other appearances. Ms Marvel was cool. I didn't really care for that other hero.
The characters can be used in other projects, they don't need a sequel.
Damn , what did Monica Rambo do to yall smh wth 🤔
I wanted to like this movie so badly, but it just left me cold. Should have felt epic, but it feels small. Too many characters to develop, ended up not caring about any of them. Was definitely bored at times. Doesn’t feel like it’s connected to the MCU, there’s very limited connective tissue. To top it off, Harry Styles felt like the biggest stunt casting in the MCU. He’s just completely dull, like they were relying on the audience knowing who he is instead of giving him a reason to be there. I’m glad they aren’t doing another. I appreciate the risk and scope, but this was a miss, and I can’t fault them for pulling the plug.
18:31 ok, I totally agree with this one! 😂😂 And YES we NEED ETERNALS II
I loved the Eternals. I liked that it was so different from the other marvel movies!!
Very underrated movie. Looked beautiful too.
Why do people shit on The Eternals? It was a very good movie and a great origin story of the MCU
I like Eternals and would love to see them again
I personally liked eternals the first time i watched it but the quantumania hate gets out of control sometimes
Why? Because in the comics, they're connected to mutants via the X-Men.
The deviants are connected to mutants or connected to their X gene.
I don't think the MCU is ENTIRELY out of originality considering Agatha was a bigger hit than anticipated (whether you liked it or hated it does not matter, the numbers are still there). Just put Jac Shaeffer on your project and it'll turn out alright.
Eternals was good idc what anyone says 🔥💪🏾
I'm glad someone wants to see more of the Eternals. Not me haha. that storyline might as well have been a different timeline
Eternals was definitely the most over hated MCU movie and one of the more recent times I genuinely disagreed with the majority of people’s opinion. There so much they could do with these characters.
Like leave them in the trash.
I would love to see an Eternals 2! I really enjoyed the ensemble cast and the amazing visuals! now that most of the exposition and backstory is out of the way I think the next story would be free to really open the world and give us fun space epic! and of course...we HAVE TO KNOW what Harry styles was gonna do with the golden snitch!
I actually really agree with this take. The Eternals was awesome. Really needed a sequel.
We feel sorry for you that you can’t see the comedy in that fall collection IKEA line I thought it was really funny but each to their own
Same. For all its faults, thats probably my favourite line of the movie!
Eternals was a GREAT MOVIE ❤ I have the blu ray 4k version. It's another Marvel movie that deserves a trilogy
It literally does not. It was fucking terrible.
@@user-oi3ry9dx9u that's your opinion but I actually grew up loving the Eternals in the comics so I thought the movie wusnt half bad. You obviously didn't enjoy the comics
Thank you for pronouncing Zhao correctly. So many Americans butcher Chinese names.
This is just an unconnected pantheon of heroes. It has no meaningful connection to the wider MCU. They are rebranded New Gods by a Jack Kirby returning to Marvel without participating in its continuity. Recognizable stuff that people relate to. That's what they needed.
The Eternals are too many to introduce in a single film. Their powers are too abstract and too powerful to be compelling. Their "villains" are boring monsters with no character or giant space gods with... no character. There is no relationship to regular people or human scale heroic deeds. They are divorced from a moving and involved relationship to the world that hosts them. They live apart and don't serve the good. They tend a world of weak, insignificant, irrelevant people for uncaring space gods who only set it up to farm lives. Why would anyone want to see them at all? Next you'll fight for an Inhumans movie?
6:24 exactly, they tried to do something new, but then did something they always do
The Eternals should have been a TV Show !!! And Dane Witman should have turned into the Black Knight with a action scene during the final battle and been with them the whole movie and the sword on the ship should have been his and the post credits still could have been the same
I really enjoyed the Eternals. It was a breath of fresh air compared to the other Marvel movies. I remember watching it in the cinema multiple times. I just hope they change their mind about a sequel. I think every marvel movie needs a trilogy, the Eternals especially.
No thank you. One of the most dire marvel films
Hey Ryan, haven’t seen you in the last few videos I’ve watched. Hope you’re taking care of yourself bro! Much love from Melbourne 🙌🏽🔥
Give us Eternals 2!!!
No.
@@user-oi3ry9dx9u no need to yell bro...
I liked Eternals but I think I'll prefer them in other movies going foward.
Every stories in Marvel are great. It’s just depended heavily on the director and creator of the movies
I loved Eternals overall.
17:02 there is no sandbox Ryan, you are just wrong, it may have once been a sandbox, but it is now more like a bunch of Jenga pieces stacked on top of each other and they just keep adding pieces, and none of the pieces line up anymore cuz they've lost the framework that they originally built it's quite simple actually even you're talking dog could understand
Lmfao going for the throat
This film is almost a perfect movie for me
WTF it was clearly the worst marvel movie
@joda6748 i dont agree. The movie resonated with me. I loved the characters and I loved the narrative.
@@joda6748How? Over Thor 2 and Quantumania. That's crazy.
I would like to break comment etiquette and say something nice 😱 I love the fierce optimism and grace and compassion and understanding of this channel - and this vid - that's always on display from Ryan, Colton and crew. I love the love. And I just wanna share some appreciation.
Also Thor Ragnarok was my highlight too! And what a great case for Eternals 2! And for Marvel creative freedom. 😘
Do you guys think eternals received such bad rotten tomato scores because there’s a same sex couple with a kid in it? I genuinely think people are that petty. Cause even though it wasnt an action packed film with jokes like all other MCU films. But I don’t think it deserved such bad ratings - worse than Incredible Hulk and Thor 2. Come on. I find that really hard to believe.
XD if the couple were lesbians the problem would have been less yes.
No it was boring and rushed.. and kumail was bad casting. They literally could have filled seats all over the indian subcontinent if they had actually cast a hot bollywood actor
I doubt it, it was just bad
No that wasn’t the case. I figured some would make it seem like that was the case when the real problem came down to pacing and connectivity. As long as the movie is the story feels rushed just to get a point to answer the question: “Where were the eternals when Thanos was coming?” The answer made little to no sense and then we were left with a big frozen celestial in the ocean that was left unmentioned for almost 5 years.
@ all of that is still not enough to make me believe it’s worse than Thor 2, Incredible Hulk, hell even Thor 4. It was better than a lot of shit they’ve been shelling out in recent years. It’s still not making sense. So I think my point still stands.
I love Ryan, but i think it's important to understand how critical budgeting and profit are to movies.
You can't spend over 230 million dollars only to make about 400 million, and then complain that Marvel made a mistake by canceling a movie. That makes no sense at all.
1:08 wow, I’ve never realized the celestial leaving creates a black hole for a second. That’s a cool literally detail.
Perhaps they’re planning to incorporate them back in via other movie franchises before going back to make a sequel. I hope we see them in doomsday, secret wars, X-men, guardians, maybe even some street level stuff to begin to rebuild their credit with the fandom.
I mean, Tiamat is coming into brave new world, so anything can happen here, right?
I wonder how Eternals would have been received if it got the full Marvel push without the Covid restrictions. It had a marketable cast and a director coming off a best director win at the Oscars. I think they were looking for the next Guardians of the Galaxy with lesser known Marvel characters breaking through.
But is it risky to cast Cavill as Sinister?!
Or is Superman in Domination Bondage leather no marketable to Soccer moms if Elektra, mother of 3, is his personal dancing girl & food taster
With so much being shot in studios these days, in front of green screens, it was quite refreshing to see this film being shot on location. If nothing else, it's beautiful to look at. Props to Chloe and the cinematographer.