SECRET INVASION vs PEACEMAKER - Why One Worked and One Didn't
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2023
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Or will you get over it already
Peacemaker is up there as one of the greatest superhero tv shows.
I literally swiped my screen thinking your avatar was a hair on my screen. You got me. 😂
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I would definitely put on the list with Invincible, The Boys, Daredevil.
Scope was also an issue. Peacemaker dealt with a world level threat in a small way that didn’t rock the boat for other movies. Secret Invasion was also a world level threat that literally changed how the world acted, then was completely forgotten about in the very next Marvel movie, one that starred Fury. Such a failure.
I swear I couldn’t stop racking my brain about the timeline between when Secret Invasion happened and The Marvels. Because they were taking the Skrulls to Earth after the big attack, I’d think Secret Invasion was best set afterward. That way you can bring the playful, fun tone from The Marvels to the series. Makes more sense too
One major problem for marvel is that everything is so huge, practically every event is a world ending event now.....
when you keep spamming me with world ending event, it no longer has that special oohmf. It does not wow me anymore, it feels like a regular tuesday afternoon.
You can really tell the MCU had no showrunners because Agents of Shield literally did an amazing job with undercover Hydra agents and LMDs. They have too much money to be this stingy on creative direction on their TV shows.
Secret Invasion was also from rumors and high hopes, where A.O.S. was going to be finally woven back into the MCU. So many missed opportunities. Even the corniest episodes of Agents had more going for it with characters and plot and entertainment value for fans than Secret Invasion. What a waste.
Bingo, AOS was such a good show I can still go back and watch it. can't do that with a show like SI it was so bad
Peacemaker's prison fight scene alone was better than anything Secret Invasion even thought to do.
Because James Gunn knows how to balance, seriousness and comedy while still telling a solid consistent story with surprises, weird what the fuck moments, and even after a great finale, he gives us one final hilarious sendoff. I am so excited for the DC reboot.
one way to say a guy just doing keeps doing the samething.
how's the relationship with ur dad, btw ?
@@n0o0 liberals ruined disney
@@n0o0 It’s an approach, it’s not a repetitive plot with the same storyline.
While folks like Taika Waititi don’t!
This
In a way i can see how James might tackle Superman, considering his predilection for the "band of misfits" theme. He described Superman: Legacy as a world where hope has been replaced by cynicism, where Kal-El therefore stands out for being hopeful and optimistic. In that lens i can see how James would write a "misfit" Superman.
This, theres a much needed story to be told in our times and Superman may just be the perfect vehicle for that
This just made me wanna watch Peacemaker for the 6th+ time. God I loved this show. I can't wait for Season 2.
Peacemaker is so damn perfect as a tv show it perfectly introduced every character even the villain's, humanized them and still delivered emotional and comedic takes perfectly that shit really is a perfect show
One had fun characters with great arcs, overcoming conflict and doing cool stuff. The other had sam jackson slowly shuffle about.
I had high hopes for Secret Invasion. Then Maria got fridged in the first episode, and I knew it was a sign of bad things to come.
Losing Hill only hurt the fans
@@thelostpawnno, it makes no sense too, if you know the comics.
This was a senseless loss, without real tragedy behind it.
Man this series sucks.
I kept hoping throughout the series that it was going to be a big misdirect, some big shapeshifter/ spy twist that built up to somewhere. It was a dumb hope, and I was wrong.
This. All of this! I took some heat when I told friends they should be watching 'Preacemaker'. The character as seen in 'The Suicide Squad' hadn't charmed them. Quite the opposite. And they'd heard about the character's initial takes that echoed his upbringing among a white supremist father and his movement. Many of these same fans later felt very much betrayed by 'Secret Invasion', an MCU project they were excited about because of its comic book basis and Samuel Jackson's iconic Nick Fury portrayals. I'd never thought of the similarity in storylines between 'Peacemaker' & 'Secret Invasion', nor the extreme differences in execution. But your examination and Gunn's handling of the show is exactly why the new DCU has me optimistic.
Secret invasion looked like its budget was slashed and they found the cheapest writers and directors
Peacemaker is a masterclass on how to make a television show. Fans were the only ones tuning in week one but through the superb storytelling and unparalleled comedy, Gunn had the entire nation tuning in by week two and growing each and every week to the finale. Word of mouth is still king and EVERYONE was talking about it constantly, my coworkers, my boss, my aunt, and my neighbor, I could talk to anyone about what was going on and theorize what we thought was going to happen. SOOO many people who don't watch comic book movies tuned into Peacemaker because it was no doubt one of the best shows that year, in my opinion, one of the best superhero TV shows ever while also having the potential to make you cry laughing. Marvel had a story with x1000 the potential and made a piece of actual trash that even the most dedicated fans won't go back to review. I hate to see Marvel burn but they will continue to be outclassed now that Gunn is at DC. Marvel/Star Wars/Disney absolutely has to put the agenda to rest or the fans will cheer their slow death. *Cue DaFoe Goblin "but the one thing they love more than a hero is to see him fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you have done for them, they will hate you."*
How would Nick Fury...a human. Find a planet for an alien species capable of space travel??? How many planets has he been to? Captain Marvel could find them a planet..so shouldn't they be mad at her?
@@mr.fancypants666 I liked the point ScreenCrush made in a previous video. Captain Marvel knows of a planet that isn't inhabited at the moment that is sustainable for life. She was one of the Avengers that killed Original Thanos on the perfect planet for a war-torn refuge species seeking a new home, Planet 0259-S. It's really unclear why they didn't let the Skrulls go there. Sure Nick was gone for 5 years, he probably missed some stuff but why wouldn't Carol do anything for them other than destroy other civilizations on their behalf.
Loved Peacemaker. As for Secret Invasion, as I think I commented before it seems to me that the writers started the show leaning into the friendship theme, which I found compelling. it gave a new depth to Fury to see his interactions with Talos, but killing Talos to me killed the whole show. They abandoned the theme, and not only that, ignored' for the most part, Talos' death, esp. Its effect on Fury, which stunted Fury's arc on the show. Why didn't we see him mourn? Why didn't he at least tell the Prez that a skrull saved his life? It was like they suddenly made the varra/Fury Bstory the Astory to salvage losing Talos.
And you didn't even mention Vigilante! Gunn is so good at finding lesser known characters and bringing them to life.
You nailed it! I was stoked for every episode of Peacemaker & was genuinely intrigued - I didn’t even make it past the second episode of secret invasion and just forgot about it.
One had awesome characters performed by an awesome cast, humour and a very well written story. The other was secret invasion
Robert Patrick was in Peacemaker, and Christopher McDonald was in Secret Invasion. Both actors starred in The Faculty, a film ALSO about an alien invasion. I guess the multiverse does exist then.
the great thing about Peacemaker was that they maintained a mystery about who the aliens were. We as the audience were finding out about who were aliens just as the characters were. The stakes were high and there was a sense of urgency.
Whereas Secret Invasion they kept revealing straight away who the Skrulls were even before the characters found it. At times it was easy for the characters to know anyway because they had a specific actor playing each Skrull character. So the show was lacking "secrecy" and mystery. Also i dont think the Skrulls needed heroes DNA to morph into their appearance and they already seem to possess super strength. Also theres not really a vast array of powers currently in the MCU to make a Super Skrull that interesting. Most of our characters are just super strength based and the rest are powerless with the exception of a few
Excellent analysis. Keep up the good work!
Awesome. First great comparison and second love that you did another one of these the Scene Fights are my favorite of your videos.
I crack up just listening to him roast secret invasion
This is great series analysis. Thanks for doing this.
Gravick felt like a joke. He's not the least bit intimidating. The actor was great tho. The show wasted Maria and Talos for nothing.
The best format is back!
Secret invasion should have been a several season series. Slowly building stories of different characters being taken and replaced. And the ending was nuts. Making a God level character of a super skull, gawd. Could have just left it like the original super skrull.
1:11 clip is actually from 1978 remake of the 1956 film. Love the reference though. Classic and iconic
I also liked in Peacemaker how they had the Justice League arrive to show it was in the same universe, they exist (they just got there late because of the ocean). I know Fury gave a reason for not calling in others like avengers but it felt cheap
Ive been hoping for thsi video for months!
Great like always
Each new day without an announcement for Peacemaker season 2 is a new link on the chain weighing down my soul.
I remember I was so hyped about Secret Invasion, until I saw it
Nice one Col💚🇬🇧🌱
I saw Disney's Wish yesterday. Might I ask that you do a breakdown of that because there are so many references and callbacks I obviously missed some.
Please keep making comparison videos!
I love peacemaker, absolutely had a ride watching it, it was so funny!! 😂😂😂😂
James Gunn wrote Peacemaker in six weeks if I remember it right. Secret Invasion was written by at least a dozen people over time and then re-shot and re-tooled and shuffled around. I've watched Peacemaker at least four times but I barely remember that Secret Invasion exists.
One was about exploring and delving into interesting nuanced characters and one was about setting up other programmes/films?
Was there even any “butterfly” source material? Because since Peacemaker aired I’d been saying bravo to James Gunn for doing “secret invasion” way before Marvel and potentially even better, which we know in hindsight is beyond true. And I’ve been here since Tromeo and Juliet so I’m ready for anything Gunn puts his energy into.
YAAAAAAASSS!!!! Love these vids!
These shows aren’t even comparable
Loved the peacemaker series and eagly❤
Can’t wait for Peacemaker season 2
Is Secret Invasion really that Bad?
Yes
Yes
Yes when you know what it could have been based on the source material. I’d rather watch Nicholas cage’s ghost rider or the original daredevil 😂
Yes
Yes
Ouh I love these videos. Haven't gotten one of these in a while.
*mind blown* after the first 2 minutes of how similar these shows were!!
I never thought of it that way before.
A Pepsi twist with a band aid in it is insane 😂😂
These are, so fun. This one had me laughing out loud. Thanks for bringing this series back Ryan and can't wait to see you.
I really suspicious that Disney/MCU/Lucasfilm was getting some cheap help from AI to write their scripts for the last few years.
All really well said…
Imo a big hit in the store would sell the blue embroidered screen crush polo.
Plus i believe they f-ed up 1 important established fact in Secret Invasion. Fact that would raise stakes for good guys in that show. In SI. they find out skrulls instantly and easily just by wounding them - they bleed green, they are exposed. And no you wouldnt need to shoot them as spy, you could use maybe ring with sharp edge while shaking hands, or many ot. simple tests. Which makes their shapeshifting soo much less dangerous. BUT in Cpt Marvel movie Carol clearly states to Fury that either cheek swab or urine test WONT identify person as skrull bec. DNA would still match human. So if those fluids look human in testing, i think blood would too. Skrull should be identified only in death or in some kind of MASSIVE trauma like heavy exlposion where damage is high or skrull loose control over their body. That would make identifying Skrulls in SI soo much harder and making their shapeshifting skill trully scary.
I couldn't even finish the secret invasion show.
This is why Marvel needs to tell more grounded stories with lower stakes and compelling character driven narratives. Black Widow was their first opportunity for a spy thriller and it was basically a Michael Bay movie full of over the top explosions that verge on parody. Studios would rather choose a formulaic story that does not deviate from your typical action fare. The result is a hollow shell of a film that ticks off the correct boxes without seeing any of the plot points through.
Great video! Totally ready to re-watch Peacemaker. However, I feel we are all being a bit harsh with Secret Invasion. The show was influenced by the early phases of the pandemic and the invasion of Ukraine. In addition to internal issues at Marvel/Disney, too many people seemed to be involved prior to release of the final product, which likely had a deadline pushed by investors. The team "checked the box". Perhaps they'll consider a re-imagined series or film in the future.🤷♀
One was expected to fail and the other had too many expectations.
Expectations for Nick Fury vs Peacemaker are way different in both their screen time and authority position in their respective Universes.
The introduction of the skulls was as refugees, the body snatchers were discovered in the show and have the implicit danger of killing their host.
All this video did was make me want to re-watch Peacemaker, and I never want to re-watch any show
As a BIG !!!! MCU / Marvel Fan… why the hell did u guys came up w the idea to compare this two series ???? One masterpiece from James Gunn and one bit of tears …. Man… peacemakers intro was the only / first one I watched every episode !!!!! Every peacemaker fan Pls like !! 🙏🙏
Ryan ryan. Your doing it again 😂
It's almost like we watch movies and shows mostly for characters and their relations, their friendships, their rivalries, their ambitions clashing, ect. and not just some random superpower vs. superpower CGI fest that all of Marvel has devolved into.
Same reason why Marvel keeps killing off villains instead of letting them develop as characters.
Peace maker is a very good show james gunn is a tough loss for marvel ,but im excited to see how he handle the new DC.
One day Marvel will admit Secret Invasion was written by an AI.
I expected more hero skrull reveals. Or at least some flashbacks when the skrull took over
We knew he was a Skrull when he wasn’t Terrence Howard anymore…lol
One was funny, well written, and unique. Peacemaker was really good. Secret Invasion was a rushed hack job, half-ass representation of what was a genuinely good story. The ending of SI....what a giant waste, I hope they never introduce that character again and let her fade into obscurity.
The series is back?
Definitely NOT milking the Secret Invasion hate 🙄… and to be serious, Peacemaker was just “Ok”. If you try, its not hard to deride any piece of media.
The BIGGEST problem with secret invasion is it should've been it's own saga before jumping straight into the Multiverse saga.
Nothing about the skrulls so far feels like a massive threat that will shake the mcu. They just exist.
One worked because James Gunn is the best at this genre and understands you have to be invested in the characters before you can invest in the humor and comic book action. Guardians trilogy is the best in the MCU.
Videos like this should be sent directly to Marvel so they know what the problems are.
How Joel Kinnaman soo sexy in The Suicide Squad but so grimey in Suicide Squad?
Still blows my mind how WB got a mulligan on that movie and knocked it out of the park.
I start this video with "What a strange comparison", after the 0:54 - 1:40 segment "Wow, Disney's Marvel is absolutely creatively bankrupt these days... Hmm... What if Peacemaker was James Gunn's FU to Disney with the original Secret Invasion plot xD"
14:15 James Gunn is like an outcast himself, He made good movies both in Marvel and DC there's little people like him :D
I love these vs videos. U should make these more 😮💨💯
I ADORE Peacemaker!!!!
Peacemaker was great. Secret Invasion was a huge disappointment.
Because he's name is JOOOOOHHHNNNNM CEEEEENNNNAAAAAAA
team butterfly then, team butterfly now. they're right. we know what we're doing, and instead of working to stop it we're flooring it off a cliff. like, please don't make me a butterfly, but let me know how I can help
Before watching: Wanted to say I didn't care for Peacemaker and John Cena as an actor. I had no hopes whatsoever. I loved that freaking show. Best intro ever. John Cena is hilarious. The show just worked. It was funny, ruthless, good acting and just an unexpected great role for John Cena and I can't believe it. Secret Invasion? We all had high hopes and wanted it to be amazing. That's where it ends.
Nice video
Peace maker is absolutely brilliant.
You must really hate secret invasion if you are comparing it to the goat that is the Peacemaker series 💀
Why’re we still talking about secret invasion…
Peacemaker was one of my favourite shows of the past few years
I havent bothered with any marvel shows since that falcon and winter soldier bollocks.
100% approved. Nothing more to be said.
Don't forget the best Pity Party of all time.
I had such high hopes for Secret Invasion. Fury is one of my favorite characters. An absolute boss. However, he didn't feel that way here.
Fury needed to be deconstructed. Less masculine and more I'm line with the "message"
@@symbol8246Me when I'm off my meds
@@jamangel why couldn't fury have been played by a latnix?
This isn't even a fair comparison. Obviously a lot more time and care went into creating peace maker...
One was crafted by James Gunn and the other went down the marvel assembly line
i think its because of the soundtracks. firehouse, enuff znuff, etc.
It's sad that the secret invation didn't work! but still i love samuel L Jackson's acting and also John sena was born to play peacemaker! because James Gunn understands Character development is all about!
It’s really funny looking back to when these shows were first announced. Peacemaker was getting dunked online and had people asking who tf asked for this, and now it’s one of most beloved CB shows while the complete opposite happened with secret invasion. It really says a lot about Gunn as a writer being able to make us care for and be invested with characters who we just met for the first time in a span of 8 episodes while the mcu had audiences shrugging their shoulders to a character who’s been here since the beginning being revealed as a skrull.
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if you guys make a Sideshow Beast shirt I'll buy one of those and the Frasier-Beast shirt
Secret Invasion had the best opening scene in any of these Marvel shows. That was the high point. Everything after was very much downhill despite having some great actors chewing up the scenery and felt a bit rushed in terms of the story. It could have done with a few seasons and moving a bit slower. I wonder how quickly it was put together?
I think you mean Nick Fury vs Peacemaker, so that way it'd be a better clear matchup, unless death battle is going to cover it, which I think Peacemaker would be end up face up against the Punisher better
One had Derek Reuter and James Gunn and one didn't?