BMW CE04 Fully electric REVIEW 2024 Expensive but great! (read description first) @standupmoto(74)
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- This is my review of the all electric offering from BMW. As a full-on petrol head, I was certainly not expecting to be almost overwhelmed with the performance breaking and manoeuvrability of this top-shelf scooter. Does the CEO4 warrant the price tag? Have a look at my review and let me know what you think.
Also in this video I have a bit of fun with the regenerative braking side of things, please don’t take the experiment too seriously BMW has not been able to alter the laws of thermodynamics but it is interesting to be able to put a bit of gas back in the tank as such.
Thanks for watching, don't forget to like and subscribe. Cheers Steve.
Instrument/storage options/charge cord photos a courtesy of BMW website. - Авто та транспорт
Another owner here...Bought it september '23, put around 10.000km on it. Great review, I can agree with most of your statements here, it has been a joy to ride. I started late (30), but been riding for almost 20 years now. I exchanged my 2017 GS (bought second hand) for this one, only paying 1000€ on top of that. It was a big change coming from a GS, but I'm getting used to it. Indeed, I save around 250€ a month as apposed to my GS, so you do the math. I do a 100km a day commute, Summer/winter come rain come shine. A few remarks I might add: I cannot fit my Schuberth M1 size 60 (XL) in the storage compartement, I always carry 2 charging cables (default one for charging at home and at work and a fast charge cable) , so storage compartment is in use at all times, hence my added top box. I also added the GIVI high windscreen, which is an absolute joy, and looks very nice. The BMW-app can only give you charging status within bluetooth range.
As for range: my 50km one way commute contains 20km motorway and some other long stretches of +100km/h and I get a range of 85km on a full charge. When used in city and stricly suburban routes, range will likely be higher. I ride in Dynamic mode exclusively (better acceleration, better regeneration, I hardly use the brakes), because that's the only mode which resembles my previous petrol bikes.
I think overal it's the smartest choise as a commuter bike, not so much a replacement for a leisure motorcycle. And, it's a scooter, it does NOT ride like a motorcyle because there's is no innerleg contact to toss it around, but as I said...I'm getting used to it.
Nice colour scheme that loaner!
Thanks for sharing your ownership experiences, valuable information for potential owners of the CE04. I really enjoyed doing this review, also 250€ per month saved is a lot of money. Ride safe and glad you enjoyed the review 👍
as an owner of this scoot, your review is spot on. the only thing I hate most is the rear signal. pretty easy to snap off!
That’s great to hear, I was very impressed with this offering from BMW.
These are SO cool. I love that they went crazy with the design.
It certainly does stand out in a crowd 👍
Brought one 4 months ago. And I’m a long time mature GSA rider. Switch gear all the same, heated everything and reverse gear. I love it and now look for any excuse to zip around the Melbourne cbd. Just gives me a big smile, especially when the bigger sports bike riders look confused in the rear vision mirror.
Hi Merve, I hear you & understand why you have that smile when you ride it. Hope you enjoyed the review.
Phantastic review! Here some info from a very experienced EV driver: Regen braking is there for many years with EVs, you get, depending on quality of inverter and electric motor, between 50 to 70% energy you need to go uphill/accelerate back into the battery.
A recent EV study found out, that this alone brings you about 15 to 18% energy saving in normal city traffic. Regen braking is the reason for two more common facts, that many people do not understand, but are clear to every EV owner.
*) weight plays a very little roll in EVs/electric bikes, because regen braking get so much energy back
*) mountainous terrain changes your range very little, off course you need a lot of battery to get uphill, but you get a lot of that back when you go downhill.... so in the practical world, climbs and hills do very little to range of todays modern electric vehicles.
As always in a comparison combustion engine vehicle to EV.... you save about 70% energy, as overall efficiency is 3 times highter than a vehicle with a combustion engine. Usually the electric motor, inverter, battery has no servicable parts, no clutch and no engine oil off course. (the motor is always connected to the wheels via a fixed transmission, everything else is done by the inverter via applying load or regen power if downhill or braking. EVs are phantastic efficient machines and it's a great future as batteries get better every year.
The example with the city ride and the magically growing range... the amount of energy is off course not really growing if you use regen braking, (except if it would be a long downhill ride), its only the prognosis of the tripcomputer thats changing and you get a little more range if your driving style (powerconsumption/regen ratio) changes to less consumption and more regen braking. Same very strong effect ist there if you go uphill or downhill, that changes the range prognoses dramatically as the tripcomputer can only base his prognoses on a certain driving model that is taking your actual style into consideration.
High end EVs like Tesla will be VERY accurate with range prognoses if you set a target destination, as it calculates height profile, temperature, road conditions into its calculation model, but very few cars do that as of now.
Thanks Chris for a very informative comment, as you would be aware I was just having a bit of fun with the REGEN portion of this video. It is however a fascinating topic and quite novel to be able to actually put a bit of fuel back into the tank as such when you decelerate. As an EV owner would you consider or recommend owning an electric scooter/motorcycle? This video was my introduction to reviewing road going EV’s and I must say it was a great experience.👍
@@standupmoto Thanks for responding! Unfortunately i have very little insights in motorcycles in general, i was never driving a motorcycle and cannot estimate the usual usage, driving ranges and other requirements, so i could not really give some advice her. But in general: if your usage profil fits within the parameters, which would be most likely the case for daily commuting to a workplace or similar, then i guess it would be the perfect application. From the usability for longer trips what you described and what i see from parameters current electric motorcycles seem to be in the stage of first generation EVs like Renault Zoe, Renault Kangoo, Smart Electric, VW e-up and similar cars without todays modern CCS fastcharging option. They where phantastic to drive, but similarely limited in range and therefore longer trips were a little difficult, because AC charging is slooooow and you had to make a break for a few hours. If that is acceptable to your individual situation, then go for it.
The really outstanding things of having an EV... you usually have no whatsoever maintenance for engine, inverter, battery which is phantastic! You do not have any whatsoever issues in cold weather with rough engine running, you switch it on and you have instant silent and smooth power. As every EV in very cold weather you loose range when the battery is cold, you get the range back once the battery get's warmed up during driving or charging. (it's always the question of battery temperature, outside air temperature does not matter, theoretically cold air is a little denser than warm air and you have a little bit higher air drag, but that difference is ridiculously small and not a factor)
One more nice fact with EVs is that once the vehicle get's older, there is very little difference in driving comfort, i have driven a few 10 to 15 year old EVs with very high mileage, and they are feeling like new cars, while you would usually immediately notice a huge difference between a new ICE car and an ICE car with let's say 250.000 miles, you notice very little such difference in EVs.
The big question we all do not yet know... how long will the battery last. There are two factors for degradation, one is age degradation, the other is cycle degradation. We have now very good data on cycle degradation and reality shows they work much longer than we expected, lots of Tesla's and other older EVs out there with 300.000 miles and more with very little degradation. (Cars with huge battery degradation, which is rare but off course it happens, usually have some cell defect, so the degradation is usually result of a faulty cell that might be able to be replaced or repaired by some professional. Unfortunately not too many people out there that are able to do that, but it's a growing segment and there will be a kind of secondary industry for battery replacement and repair that is starting to build right now)
Concerning age degradation... first serial production car with Lithium Ion batteries was the Tesla Roadster, it was built from 2008, many of them are still driving today, so i guess it is safe to say 15 years is no problem, but we have no real life data for older than that.
Personally i am driving EVs for a long time with half million kilometer experience (Europe), and from the first minute it was clear for me, i will never go back to an ICE car, except for very limited applications where today's EVs are not yet there were we need it like towing heavy trailers over long distances, but for everyghing else... go EV!
You might look into Zero motorcylces, this is a very well known other brand and there are lots of videos, and i am sure you would enjoy driving Zero's as well :-)
I believe it will be like with 4 wheel EVs... once range is at around 100 to 120 miles PLUS DC fast charging option.... the adoptation curve will go up like a rocket, as a longer roadtrip then only needs a break for 15 to 20 minutes and you keep going. Fast charging to around 80% is very fast with todays EVs, and i am sure it will be the same with motorcycles very soon!
Cost factor for "fuel" is huge, especially when you have a priviledged situation with a photovoltaic installation or dynamic energy prices as we start to have them in Europe, where you get frequently a few hours a day where energy prices are going very low and sometimes even negative when there is too much renewable energy in the grid... my costs for "fuel" when driving EVs is on average around 2 to 4 Euro per 100km (3.2 to 6.4 Euro for 100 miles), sometimes i get paid when i charge when energy prices go negative which will be more frequently the case as share of renewable energy constantly grows.
@@chriswilliams8607 Thank you Chris for your experiences here, I personally am very new to the world of EV’s in general so I find your knowledge as an EV owner over such a long time valuable.
EV’s in general are just starting to take off here in Australia after a very slow start, there are sadly many anti EV’ers here which I personally find strange when we have so much sun & free energy from solar. I think many are intimidated almost to the point scared of the new technology here but as a younger generation moves ahead I’m sure things will change. Tesla is the leading brand here closely followed by BYD & MG, a friend recently bought a Model 3 and I was sold after just one drive.
All I have to do now is stop buying motorcycles so as I can afford to buy one 😀
@@standupmoto Happy to be help people interested in EVs 🙂
Here a few interesting channels on the topic
YT channel of Björn Nyland, he is a funny guy from Norway doing lots of EV testing, he is very well known in Europe
YT channel "Electric Classic Cars", a UK workshop that does pretty cool conversions, always a joy to watch
YT channel "Electric Viking", he brings a lot of current news about EVs, renewables, battey development
And you are absolutely correct, it is pretty sad and strange, that so many people still do not get it, that it is not the best idea for a suistainable future to burn rare and finite fossile ressources, especially as you very well described in areas where it would be easy to power everything by solar and wind, as today battery storage is so cheap, that it would be pretty easy to manage a 100% transition away from fossile fuels within one or two decades. One understandable reason is the sometimes pretty fanatic approach from green parties and so called environmentalists, in Germany we have some pretty fanatic groups who are sabotaging cars and car factories, climate hysteria everywhere, many leftradical brainwashed people that follow the totalitarian WEF agenda, that is not helpful, actually it creates an opposition that fights everything that has to do with renewables and EVs, thats very sad. Fanatism on both sides is terrible, pretty difficult times right now with little chance to return to a productive dialog as the classical left has gone completely bonkers, and the classical right are the new moderate middle, but unfortunately completly crazy and against renewables and EVs.
Let's see what the future brings us, along the way i enjoy every km driven in an EV, mostly powered by my own photovoltaic modules on my roof :-)
Thanks for the best CE04 review I’ve seen to date 👍
Wow, thanks!
I would love to have one.
Yes it would certainly make a great talking point when out and about, it’s also just fun to ride.👍
Nice review! Big fan of this scoot. I feel whatever BMWs next version of this is going to be absolutely brilliant.
Thanks, yes they certainly do a great job 👍
After watching.... I want to buy it already... We'll done sir.. Fantastic review.. Honest, straightforward and informative
Thanks Michael 👍
What a great review, thanks for explaining how the electric regen braking works. Excellent.
Glad it was helpful!
great review interesting machine,
Glad you enjoyed it👍
First time viewer here. I looked hard at the Niu scooter to commute on. I've been riding for 40 year and love the idea of an EV bike scooter for commuting. The biggest issue is battery replacement. On the Niu the battery last 5-10yr absolute max, with most dying at the 5 year mark. A replacement battery is $2k, half the cost of the bike. No doubt the bmw battery would cost $5-10k. That along with the ridiculous purchase price means I'm out until the price drops below $10k
Hi Pete, yes it certainly demands a high price for sure. I guess duration is one of those things we will just have to wait and see, thanks for your thoughts 👍
The battery pack is - more or less - from the BMW i3 and it has proven itself in this vehicle. You're probably more on the 10 year side.
Price and range are what stop me from getting one. Some 70 Kilometers to visit my mother are doable, but charging there for my way home would take ages and it has no DC charging :(
Great review again👍👍 I have a Honda pcx 125, is 75% cheaper then this expensive BMW. Range is three times more and using very less petrol. 😀😀
Yes Alex you make a valid argument there, I guess horses for courses 👍
Energica review next?
Hi Mark, I don’t think the Energica range is available here yet but I’ll see what I can find.
This looks like a great commuter bike. Very tempted to get one.
If the CE04 is within your budget I think it would be a brilliant commuter if your daily ride doesn’t exceed the range. I would think around that 100km (60mls) would be safe without having to worry, in saying that if you’re able to charge at your destination double that would achievable.
@@standupmoto that's my thinking as well. 30-70km round trips. Regen braking giving it some juice along the way. Plenty of quick chargers along the way if a top up required. Few well priced ex demos now filtering into the market. I wonder how much a battery replacement would be if needed. 🤔
@@taktischekartoffel Yes I understand your concern re the price of the battery but it’s not really being worked hard, I recently sold our Hybrid car with 363,000 kms & it was 2010. It still had 90% capacity after 14 years of use, we are now in the market for a new either hybrid or full EV. I honestly didn’t think I would ever go full EV but with several friends owning them now and very happy with their choice I may head in that direction, basically what I’m saying here is based on past experiences with myself & others I have confidence in battery side of things. I will also say I do have a second diesel vehicle for towing & long distance hauls.
Top scooter ❤
Yes agreed, sadly they wouldn’t let me keep it!
Fantastic bike, would be perfect for me but the price is a deal breaker.
Yes it certainly doesn’t come cheap, I’m not trying to defend price but if you’ve got the cash I think it would be a fun adventure with very minimal ongoing expenses. Thanks for the comment.👍
@@standupmoto I actually think it's probably worth the price, I just can't afford one.
@@Axiomatic75 You and me both 🥲
I’d like to see you review the CFMOTO Papio that was in the dealership. Great review as usual.
Thanks glad you enjoyed it, I’ll see what I can do re the CF Moto 👍
One of only two EV bikes I like. Far too expensive in Thailand. Way more than you quote. 859,000 baht, actually. Apart from the range [not so bad if BMW aren't exaggerating], the lack of noise is its worst point. It's dangerous. How long does the battery last? Edit: 10/15 years, you say.
Good review. Pommie Nick.
Gday Nick, geeees that’s 35k AUD. That sounds over the top, are you sure? I think the range is quite gettable if your using it in the city taking advantage of the regen, I just converted AUD to other currencies by the way. I didn’t actually price it up outside Aus. I think the battery will probably outlast the scooter based on my experience with hybrid cars. Our first hybrid (now owned by a friend) was an 06 with 363K and still working fine today . Nick I need you to do me a favour, go for a descent test ride on a CE04 and then let me know what you think. If your a scooter person I recon you’ll love, just a hunch, glad you enjoyed the review 👍
Just took mine out for a ride yesterday. It was put in climate controlled storage since 11-1 -23.
Great stuff, Ron, hopefully the video inspired you to pull it out of storage. Climate controlled storage? I haven’t heard of this.
climate controlled storage? must be a very special bike 😄😄
I don't get BMW, I bought a second hand C-Evolution + last year and it has better range (80 to 100 miles), better top speed (85mph) and more practical aspects : decent storage under the seat for a full size helmet, a decent windscreen (even though I got a Puig touring screen which is much better above 50mph) and a top box that doesn't mess with the pillion space.
I’m not sure what to say, it is what it is I guess. But I do have to say I really enjoyed reviewing this CE04, I think the fact that it is just so different from anything else I’ve reviewed. Thanks for your thoughts 👍
03:25 Looks pretty awesome, but the range is a let down: 130 Km (80 miles). There are eBikes that already far exceed this, such as the GForce T7 Folding Electric Bike, which has a range of around 100 miles (pure throttle use, minimal pedalling) or 130 miles (with pedal assist) - depends on terrain, wind, riding style, rider weight, etc.
Yes it’s amazing the range they are getting from small batteries, I’ll definitely check out the T7👍
Yeah, it’s a peddle bike. Not a scooter!
The riding experience and performance would be in a different universe though.
Typical BMW product futuristic very Germanic, as aerodynamic as a shoe box, it screams look at me. I'm sure it would have come in handy at Rorke's Drift confusing Zulus. Martin and Joel would have been trembling with excitement as it left for a spin. It's tempting though pause for thought.
Does the bike have a security built in?
Also can you leave it out or drive in the rain?
Hi Michael, yes & yes.
Is the braking ABS? I hate fishtailing my bike when braking.
Hi mate, yes certainly is ABS. I actually did a full brake stop at 80 kph while riding around a soft bend when a car pulled out in front of me, the bike stayed under control the entire time. It was very confidence inspiring, unfortunately I didn’t have the camera rolling. It would have made some great footage.
For what I would use it for the price is to high and the distance is to low. I'll stick with my 82 VF 750 thanks.
Hi David, yes it’s certainly not cheap by any means. But I don’t think the target customer is us mere mortals, more those with a few extra dollars in their pocket looking to try something different & with a specific purpose.
Good for you! No one asked.
I have one since March '22 and I very love it.
Yes, it's expensive. But the price isn't just for the (relative poor) range.
It's for the built quality (way ahead from EVERY OTHER* electric scooter worldwide), for nice details like reverse gear, parking brake, huge display (what can display navigation via mobile phone), heated seat and grips, keyless go, cooled charging phone storage, 3 disc brakes with ABS, 160mm rear tire...
*Don't forget: Currently (June 2024) it's the one and only new available electric scooter above the 125cc (11kW) class. Worlwide!
It is the absolute top of the line electric scooter. Every other one is cheaper, lighter, smaller.
Does the brake light come on with the regen so cars don’t slam into you?
Yes, when the bike is in the highest regen mode the slowing is quite rapid.
Dr KAarl?
It’s just to bad that it’s sooooo expensive
Yes it certainly isn’t cheap for sure but I guess once you have it that’s where the spending stops, as in no petrol, oil, spark plugs, filters, brake pads, service costs etc. It’s just coming up with that initial purchase cost that hurts, if you get a chance take one for a ride just to experience what they are like 👍
I had a ride on one of those BMW C1 Scooters around 20 Years ago..it was a dreadful Failure..
this electric one looks worse...
I guess you will ditch your Goldwing for it?😁
Gday Pete, “looks are deceiving” “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” “don’t judge a book by its cover” (can’t think of any more quotes) But seriously yes it certainly makes a statement and I think they have come a long way in the past 20 years, love it or hate it looks wise it’s undeniably fun to ride.
It is also quick, I can’t get over how well it accelerates (for a scoot that is)
No the Goldie isn’t going anywhere, as old as mine is it’s still the benchmark that I judge others by, if it does go anywhere it will be replaced with another Goldwing (have got a bit of an inkling fora DCT version one day) , mind you time I can afford a DCT version we’ll probably be riding hover bikes.👍