I had no issues with the camera but on a trip to South Asia last year the screen started to die. Had to get rid of the phone. Curved displays have nothing but been unreliable to me.
It wasn't the *iPhone X* that started the race for bezel less experience it was started by *Samsung* by releasing the Galaxy S8 series, eliminating the bezels in March, 2017 and Samsung itself was inspired from Xiaomi Mi Mix that was released in October, 2016.
Given that there's now folding phones with IP ratings, I'm pretty sure we could've figured something out for tiny pop up cameras. If they lasted 2-3 more generations it would've been waterproof. That's the key thing imo
My favorite design was the zenfone 6 which basically used the power of the back camera as the selfie cam. How can you even beat that with a mediocre pop up camera?
0:52 This is so not true. Android began that race in 2016, Apple was late to the game even then. Plus Androids had only one hole at the side of the screen (at the time). iPhones had that hideous notch.
Exactly, this video has me feeling mixed. Almost half of his information is incorrect. I'm not sure if he didn't bother to google anything, but at the end of the day, who cares 😊
I always wondered why phone manufacturers didn't have this feature for longer To me, Pop up cameras was the best way to enjoy a full notch less display, with no loss in quality like those under display cameras I hope they can think of something that gets rid of the camera hole on the display in the future
a pleasant hello to you Zim. may I kindly ask, Do you have a mobile device that had a Pop up Camera ? I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
I had bought the Xiaomi Mi 9T in 2019 and the build quality was insane, great speed, fantastic customization and two-day battery life... I miss it. I came from other (maximum) 299€ phones but that was way superior to me. It lasted for 4 years and I still remember it as the most innovative smartphone I had ever.
Me and my friend had the screen going out and after 1 drop pixels on mine went blue and then gone completely. Camera wasn't sliding back completely because it was forced a few times to go back.
a pleasant hello AudioTechnica. I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
I so wanted one when it came out. Looked amazing with lots of potential. Good chip, display, 3.5mm, Lots of ROMs. But a plot twist- I never bought it and got an iPhone XS cheap and I still use it today, even better. Reason was that the stock software and Chinese brand wasn't appealing.
Still a shit world where you cant decide for yourself if your new Phone should or should not have a feature. Its really just, every phone has it or no phone has it
Man, that's so true. Zoom calls? Go f*ck yourself I'm not showing my face so just hear my voice. Selfies? Come on, teenage girls all got iphones so leave holes to them. I'm in my mid 30s and don't need holes in my screen. Still using Huawei P Smart Z. Too bad Huawei is also making trash nowadays.
So many things I disagree with this video. The mechanism is pretty compact, resilient and isn't that complicated. It's just an actuator attached to a camera. Most of the damage happens with dumb users either manually trying to operate the popup or forgot about it and hit it somewhere. Water resistance can simply be solved by adding a rubber flap like they did with sim and sd trays. The main reason it fell off is punchole displays are easy to make and is a cheaper solution. Rip 7(t)pro and 9t pro, the goat on popups
When the trend of pop up camera began i was really excited. I didn't need new phone at that time so i missed on getting one. But now seeing that literally no brand give pop up cameras i am very sad. I would have prioritised pop camera in place of face id, flagship chip, ai feature, high refresh rate or fast charging.
I've been using the One Plus 7T pro, until last week. It works perfectly fine, and I love the pop up camera. I was forced to update, due to my country updating their cellular network and making it unable to make calls.
You from Australia? Because it's the same for me, using OnePlus 7t pro but they fcuked up the cellular stuff and now even some 4g and 5g phones not working
Wow! Easy there,buddy! 😅 That's gonna be a space eater and if not done right,it's gonna be hella annoying to always flick your finger up and down and with todays smartphones getting bigger and longer,it's gonna be very inconvenient to place the switch high up on the side where you'd have to stretch your finger with the risk of dropping your phone in the process since the lower part will be filled by volume rockers and power button.
Mi mix 3 has a manual slider mechanism. It is kinda nice but the mechanism is based on ribbon cables and has several flaws like being vulnerable to dust and the cables being bent and frayed over time. So, the automatic pop-up is still better. Actually, you can mod Redmi K20 camera to slide out with a lightsaber sound and backlight, it looks crazy cool.
iPhone X wasn't the first to increase the aspect ratio drastically. Early on was the Sharp Aquos Crystal in 2014 where the screen had a beveled edge all the way to the top. There was also the Mi Mix line.
Man I used to own one of these types of phones, it was the Xiaomi Mi 9T and it really felt like the future back then. Bought it in 2019 and gave it to a friend after 2 years, he still has it and the pop-up camera never broke down.
I still have my Mi 9T Pro, but I almost never use the pop-up camera, heck, I rarely use the back camera. lol I can go with punch hole but I just wish that phone manufacturers still put them on the top most left instead of the top center.
@@jonathanjoestarjojolion98 I've changed my Mi 9T Pro's battery and it's still great. There are still some custom roms being made for the device. I mainly use it at home for light gaming, youtube and media consumption and some other stuff, but when I go out I use my Poco X3 Pro. Technically I use my Mi 9T Pro more than the Poco X3 Pro since I work from home.
I'm also wondering what happened to large area under display fingerprint scanners (the ones where you could place your finger on a display area of multiple inches to unlock instead of having to place your finger on a spot with little finger placement headroom like on my Galaxy S24 for example. Nobody on the internet talks about it.
What I can think of is that it takes too much space for the same functionality. If most people are comfortable with little but usable on-screen fingerprint, then why adding more spaces for that? Having a bigger space for it doesn't seem to give any advantages against the market, maybe some people will buy it for the sake of it, but the number will be not big.
@@raffiihzazuhairnawan2091 I think it's more on how possible faults increase with complexity. It's like how a laptop non touch screen is better than the touch. That extra layer makes it more delicate and easy to ruin This logic should be the downfall of the pop-up camera
My Father still uses Redmi K20 Pro & I use OnePlus 7t Pro as my secondary device to watch videos coz of it's full immersive quad hd display. It's been more than 5 years and they are still working Perfectly 🔥
ZTE is the only brand that is truly committed to this technology, they use it in all their top models. While Samsung uses a much more rudimentary version of that under-screen technology, you can see the pixels on the Z Fold's in-selfie camera and the quality is worse than on the ZTE's models.
For most answers of why something got obsolete. Generally answer is value brought for money spent. Pop up cameras have better privacy and look but to achieve that, Does the feature bring in more money or it could be spent for something more important. Similar story in Apple's 3d touch, The feature brought improvements but it was expensive for the improvements it brought. In short, practicality wins over luxury in long run.
To this day, I simply cannot imagine changing my OnePlus 7T Pro. It simply can't be beaten to me, and I wish they'd refresh its design with better specs for a new model.
I've been using the OnePlus 7T Pro for 5 years now, and you know what? Absolutely nothing, it still works perfectly. The camera functions smoothly without any lags, and this is despite the fact that it's been through a lot. It's been dropped numerous times, everything is cracked, the screen is burnt out, and the glass is shattered in several places on both sides. Yet, it still works just as well as the day I bought it. And I bought it precisely because it has a pop-up camera. This phone was definitely worth it.
I remember when there were many ads about pop up cameras featuring extreme durability campaigns like using a support for the small stage with the ballerina dancing over it
Oppo was rally creative with its designs back thn! But the issue is, my sister owned a OnePlus 7 Pro, but she accidentally dropped the phone, making the camera popup to jam and now her old OnePlus 7 Pro is "front camera-less"
Owner of a Samsung A80 for 4 years now. People were scared of such an "experimental" phone back then but the phone still works perfectly, the camera still flips like it should, and I can still fully enjoy my uninterrupted screen. Another big reason I got this phone was that it shipped with Qualcomm chips worldwide, and since I live in Europe I didn't want to deal with Exynos, especially since my previous Samsung Exynos phone died in just 2 years
I'm still using the Redmi K20 Pro/Mi 9T pro with a custom ROM. And it still runs flawlessly. I bought it used for around 120$ last year. I can assure u that it still performs better than some mid range phones of today. Also the full screen is surely enjoybale once u get used to it. Peak smartphone design era
Simple reason! Too many moving parts, dust/dirt, and too prone to failure! WHY do you think ALL major players in the market have gone to under-glass cameras? Same reason the flip-out keyboards vanished from back in the day.
I used to own a Redmi K20 Pro and i loved that phone to its very end. I still miss that phone sometimes. Just so good and worth the money it was. Never found another phone like that
Dude - wait - your content is so good I thought you were established for ages (and with 10x more subscribers)! 6 videos in and such great quality, we love to see it! That said, that OnePlus was such a great design. The closest now to (somewhat) max screen estate that I can vouch for would be the Xperia 1/5/10 range keeping that slick Sony design. I agree with what was said here about if it stayed a few more generations it'd have improved to a great level. That or cameras that 'see' through an LED screen, of course.
I have the Oppo Reno x10 zoom with me for 4 years now, and while it's starting to show it's age in terms of other areas (battery, camera, buggy software), the pop up camera actually still works amazing. Sometimes people are surprised by the pop up camera and it's like a "gotcha" moment for me.
Still rocking my oneplus 7 pro to this day and works as great as the first day. I barely use the pop up camera so the benefit of the full display is really nice. To this day there's no new phone i would want for free in this new era of smartphone.
I've been using OnePlus phones since 2018, starting with OP5. When I saw the reveal of the 7 Pro I immediately fell in love with its design and I knew that I need it. In late 2020 I actually got one and it was amazing, uninterrupted edge to edge curved screen (that curve was perfect for gesture navigation) with thin bezels. I planned to never change phones until either someone comes out with a new popup design or with an underscreen one, or even one without a selfie camera at all because I hardly ever use it! Problems started when I had to replace the USB port because I broke it by bending the cable too much, resulting in a loss of fast charging, the repair wouldn't be cheap and at the same time I kind of wanted to change the battery as well because I got the phone used and its battery started to show its age a bit. All repair shops wanted me to leave the phone with them for a couple of days which I wasn't able to do because I had a trip to Berlin scheduled in the coming days, I ended up just taking it and my OP5 with me as a backup in case the port fails entirely. And that was a good call, because on a rainy day the phone slipped out of my hand and the screen got obliterated. After a few hours it went completely black with seemingly no signs of life coming out of it, fortunately I managed to back up all of my files in that time. And guess what - when I was still able use the phone for a brief amount of time, I checked if the popup camera still worked after the drop - AND IT DID! I was so sad that I lost the best phone ever made... Surprisingly enough going back to the OP5 didn't feel that bad - even though that phone was already 6 years old it still felt pretty good, but it was clear that the software support was long gone, so I decided to buy something newer on the first good occasion, and I ended up getting an OP 10 Pro - it's almost the exact same size as 7 Pro, even the weight is similar, the screen is still curved although much less than on the 7 Pro so it doesn't feel as good but it's still ok of course, and the screen... has a holepunch camera. It doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would but there are certain apps that still act weird because they have to somehow avoid it, and in brighter content it's painfully obvious. I would love to see OP making another 7 Pro - they would of course never be able to beat it, in my opinion it's the best phone that ever came out, but at least I would be able to enjoy a full screen again. But that won't happen because OP is only a subbrand of Oppo right now, which is just sad to see.
Ofcourse the pop up had to go since it hid the camera otherwise how would the companies and government get our data and live feeds from if not from the only thing that's constantly with us everywhere we go and everything we do.
My mom still has her Vivo V15 Pro, the pop up camera stopped working since a year ago. I bought her Galaxy A54 as replacement since she use front camera for video call pretty much everyday.
Not gunna lie, I loved the idea of the pop up camera. While I was never a big selfie person, the novelty of the pop up camera was cool and it did clean up the screen of that obnoxious dot or gash when watching videos.
2nd that. It was a complete phone in all aspects. While initially it fell a bit short on camera , it later got better . I realized how good this was for price until phone makers stopped making good and innovative phones and jacked up prices post COVID
The battery concern was effectively thrown out with the advent of the Mi Mix 3 which had a manual sliding mechanism instead. Had the tech been given more time and effort, we may have even seen spring-loaded pop-ups like on the MateBook X Pro.
I had a Mi9T Pro for 4 years and it was the best phone I’ve ever had. Great battery, fast, headphone jack, charged fast and didn’t have a camera in my face all the time. I bought specifically because I don’t use the camera at all, so I didn’t want it filling space in my screen. It was a great gimmick to surprise people too
The OP7 and the Note 9 are imo the peak of smartphone design Hell, if they just shipped a Note 9 with a relatively modern chip and modern mid range camera it’d be an insta buy for me
Also the dual display phones i.e VIVO Nex Dual. I always liked dual display phones since you can use the main camera to take a selfie without needing to fold/flip. Please make a video for those too.
I've had a redmi k20 pro (aka Mi9T) for like 5 years now. Never had a problem with its pop up camera. I've actually dropped it several times and the latest one broke its back glass, but the pop up camera lives on :D
I was just thinking about this yesterday. This should have been the standard. In my country they still sell Huawei Y9 phones, mid-rangers from 2019, I think they are all refurbished but the popups work just fine.
I can't let go of my Xiaomi/Redmi K20/Mi 9T, Five years after purchase my phone works as good as new except for a failing battery and power buttons. I love the uninterrupted screen for UA-cam and gaming. I am considering getting the Xiaomi Mi Mix 4 because it's the one of the more affordable screens with an under display camera.
I mean, the pop-up selfie camera was a great innovation because you could make the camera as good as you want and you didn't have to make a huge notch or hole-punch to achieve that. Phones like Zenfone was actually the best because you could use less cameras and get the same quality for both the back and front photos. I mean, I still would buy a phone like the old Zenfones, especially with the fact that they managed to make foldable phones water and dust resistant.
Vey nice video on this topic.👍 The most known tech to represent the under-display camera tech is the Z-Fold lineup. They nicely integrated it into the phone and it did pretty good, but problems like the quality of the camera were a problem. Not enough light got through the see-through Oled sheet onto of the camera ,nerfing the quality, so they have to go for a bigger and less refined sensor to get as much light in as possible to solve the problem. Im sure this will evolve on as we go ,with more testing and experiments. But we'll have to see.👌
another thing about hole punch cameras, most the time when watching a video the aspect ratio of the video doesnt match the phones aspect ratio, the black bars created by that hides the hole punch anyways. if wide screen video content was the standard, id definitely consider something like a pop up cam. if apple implemented pop up cameras, you already know the whole industry is gonna follow suit. (rip headphone jack, i will forever be mildly annoyed most phone companies went away with it)
There would be other solutions for people who dislike notches and punchholes: 1. Release Smartphones with very small top and bottom bezel like the Sony Xperia 1 VI. (also good for front facing speakers and notification LED, which Sony sadly removed) 2. Implement a display on the backside and remove front facing camera. (bad for live streamers etc. but good for people who rarely use the front camera) 3. Implement a small hole/storage compartment in the smartphone were you can put a external USB C camera. (Could compromise water and dust resistance of the phone.)
I tested that Samsung Galaxy A80 in-store and honestly it made me sad Samsung wouldn't ever bring that tech to their flagship lineup. Not *just* a pop-up camera, but a mechanism that pops up and flips the main camera towards you? So sick
Man, i never even cared for the bezeless craze in the fist place. When exactly did we decide that actually having something to hold onto when watching a video was a bad thing? I'd love a vid on rear fingerprint readers. I think they'd be a great addition nowadays, especially since every phone is the length of a football field, and rear sensors would be good for activating one handed mode.
those were so so cool.. actually, the only phone i use now has one, but it's a mi 9t pro, so it really shows its age in its slowness and now the faulty battery.. ! unfortunately it only has one speaker too, i really wish these popups made a comback!
I always wanted one smartphone with pop up camera because I don't take a lot of selfies and I would like 100% of usable display. But It never got cheaper despite the years ( at least in my country), so I still wish to have one for myself.
I had what I consider to be the best tradeoff between full screen and no electronically moving parts... A slide-out phone, the Xiaomi MI Mix 3 5G. It basically used the same principle slider phones used back in the 2000's, incorporating magnets for that satisfying click. And I did feel like regressing when I switched to a Motorola Edge 30 Pro, I never got used to the cutout, so I eventually switched to an iPhone 15 Pro. It still annoys me and always will, but it doesn't seem like under display cameras will be mainstream for a few more years, so it is what it is. I just wish Google would've supported the Android community more so that I could still use my MI Mix 3, which was forgotten about on Android Pie. 😔
hello Sir, I just want to let to know to you. The Samsung AMOLED display that was on the Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that they put up. It was a over stock AMOLED display of Mi Mix 3.
You forgot to add the Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 unique mechanism to hide cameras and even frontal light flash, where the entire phone was literally divided in two halfs just like the old Nokias.
Recently switched to a Galaxy A55 after using an Oppo F11 pro for over 5 years (still very much functional, just wanted an upgrade). While the hole-punch doesn't bother me much, it's hard not to miss the uninterrupted display (not to mention the dedicated fingerprint scanner on the back of the phone that I found super convenient and much faster than the A55's under-display scanner) 😅 Haven't been loving Oppo's releases for a while, but that F11 pro was a trooper. Even survived a quick plunge into an ice cooler despite having no official IP rating😂
Mate there were a gazillion android phones with an edge to edge display and a much smaller notch than iphone X and they were launched much before the iphone. Essential phone PH1 for example.
Soon as you started to say "In a world where data privacy..." I got ready to skip 20 secs expecting to be marketed yet another VPN 😂. But dude you have an amazing channel and I wish for you to one day grow big enough to get sponsors. Just keep up the vids and quality
i rocked with my mi 9t for years it had amazing screen but i also apreciate fast face unlock and water proofness other than that they are still gonna replaced by under screen camera which is another cool technology
My Mi 9T is a few days from being 5 years old and is still working just fine. I'm not the biggest fan of the camera since it drew from water resistance and practicality. Though as I don't use it too often it doesn't bother me that much and I'm definitely gonna miss the full edge to edge screen on whatever my next phone will be.
OnePlus 7 pro was peak OnePlus design and it's not even a contest
Based comment
Never hear anyone talk about OnePlus anymore.
I had a 7 pro and it was awesome. Wish I never upgraded by i love my fold 3
I had no issues with the camera but on a trip to South Asia last year the screen started to die. Had to get rid of the phone. Curved displays have nothing but been unreliable to me.
S21 ultra was the best
I had a Redmi K20 pro from 2019, which is still working and the pop up mechanism. Peak innovation
Same here. Bought in 2020 BBD and still going on like a charm. Also LMC R16 (GCam) has made it a monster.
The best one
Same device i used now
yep i have it too, i got a one plus 11 recently but i still use the normal redmi k20 . im surpirsed it still works after so long.
it's also called Mi 9T. i'm using it now
It wasn't the *iPhone X* that started the race for bezel less experience it was started by *Samsung* by releasing the Galaxy S8 series, eliminating the bezels in March, 2017 and Samsung itself was inspired from Xiaomi Mi Mix that was released in October, 2016.
Facts
Yeah that was weird, apple shouldn’t have credit for that race
The only thing I can attribute apple to is the notch and that is a backwards innovation
S8 and S9 was Smasnug's peak design 😍
Doesn't matter if Samsung started. People will remember the iPhone. Samsung was the pioneer but apple market it better
Given that there's now folding phones with IP ratings, I'm pretty sure we could've figured something out for tiny pop up cameras. If they lasted 2-3 more generations it would've been waterproof. That's the key thing imo
Its a very easy solution. Add a rubber flap at the top so its sealed shut once the camera is pulled down
@@solanumtuberosa what i thought about right away
My favorite design was the zenfone 6 which basically used the power of the back camera as the selfie cam. How can you even beat that with a mediocre pop up camera?
Sounds like the Samsung A80
@@DarkAnims Asus did it better. That camera was really good for the time.
@@DarkAnimsbut better than that mess.
Exactly! But with that design, how will Google secretly record you without you knowing?
@@verma.shaurya must be hard for Google to keep track of your faces when smartphone starts innovating.
0:52 This is so not true. Android began that race in 2016, Apple was late to the game even then. Plus Androids had only one hole at the side of the screen (at the time). iPhones had that hideous notch.
Exactly, this video has me feeling mixed. Almost half of his information is incorrect. I'm not sure if he didn't bother to google anything, but at the end of the day, who cares 😊
Huawei P20 had that notch
@@redpepperguy1 exactly my point
I always wondered why phone manufacturers didn't have this feature for longer
To me, Pop up cameras was the best way to enjoy a full notch less display, with no loss in quality like those under display cameras
I hope they can think of something that gets rid of the camera hole on the display in the future
and there's a high chance that the camera pop up can get stucked especially those wears off
There's the underdisplay camera
For me, thinner chin was okay to go forward from pop up.
a pleasant hello to you Zim. may I kindly ask, Do you have a mobile device that had a Pop up Camera ? I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
@@startwithmi1197 mine just unglued and camera doesn't fully close by itself.
Watching this video in full screen on my Poco F2Pro without any obstructions. And I'm using it since 2020.
Same here, awesome speed, screen and just swapped the battery, lasts all day. Wouldn't change it for the world
The OnePlus 7 pro was my all time favorite phone it was the peak of smartphone design
Bro is answering all my 3am tech questions I swear XD
Keep up the good work bro :D
i swear one day apple is gonna remove the front facing camera and charge extra for a small camera that just plugs into the usb c port lol
You only want it to happen
I´d want that
We're going back to 2001 lol
Yea, like the first camera phones... then call it "innovation"
Actually camera modules like this would be a great idea for phones with bad cameras !
I had bought the Xiaomi Mi 9T in 2019 and the build quality was insane, great speed, fantastic customization and two-day battery life... I miss it. I came from other (maximum) 299€ phones but that was way superior to me. It lasted for 4 years and I still remember it as the most innovative smartphone I had ever.
Me and my friend had the screen going out and after 1 drop pixels on mine went blue and then gone completely. Camera wasn't sliding back completely because it was forced a few times to go back.
a pleasant hello AudioTechnica. I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
i'm still using it right now 😂.
I so wanted one when it came out. Looked amazing with lots of potential. Good chip, display, 3.5mm, Lots of ROMs. But a plot twist- I never bought it and got an iPhone XS cheap and I still use it today, even better. Reason was that the stock software and Chinese brand wasn't appealing.
Still using mine as 2nd phone. move to redmagic 9 pro
Still a shit world where you cant decide for yourself if your new Phone should or should not have a feature.
Its really just, every phone has it or no phone has it
And if Apple makes something everyone follows no matter how hideous it is (notch)
Me watching from my OnePlus 7 Pro
While my Wife uses her Samsung A80.
😊
I never use front camera and live for the day when that unnecessary piece of hardware vanish from our phones
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Same it's a waste of space
They stopped doing it because they want to see your pretty face all the time when you use your phone🥰
thank you for the disclaimer at 2:12 lol
I was preparing to skip lol
lol
I wish they just removed the front camera, I haven't even seen anyone use it for years
How? because a lot a people use the front camera for video call and things like that
Man, that's so true. Zoom calls? Go f*ck yourself I'm not showing my face so just hear my voice. Selfies? Come on, teenage girls all got iphones so leave holes to them. I'm in my mid 30s and don't need holes in my screen. Still using Huawei P Smart Z. Too bad Huawei is also making trash nowadays.
Then you're in the objective minority
@@Samsonfs that's most likely the case 😅
I always felt like nobody is talking about what an eye sore the notches and especially the hole punch cameras are, it can't just be me
You're not the only one. Unfortunately most people have grown accustomed to having a bunch of dead pixels on their screen.
Waste of 8 minutes. The answer is cost. Companies don't want to spend extra bucks for pop-up cameras. It's a cost-cutting measure. That's it.
So many things I disagree with this video.
The mechanism is pretty compact, resilient and isn't that complicated. It's just an actuator attached to a camera. Most of the damage happens with dumb users either manually trying to operate the popup or forgot about it and hit it somewhere. Water resistance can simply be solved by adding a rubber flap like they did with sim and sd trays.
The main reason it fell off is punchole displays are easy to make and is a cheaper solution.
Rip 7(t)pro and 9t pro, the goat on popups
When the trend of pop up camera began i was really excited. I didn't need new phone at that time so i missed on getting one. But now seeing that literally no brand give pop up cameras i am very sad. I would have prioritised pop camera in place of face id, flagship chip, ai feature, high refresh rate or fast charging.
I've been using the One Plus 7T pro, until last week.
It works perfectly fine, and I love the pop up camera.
I was forced to update, due to my country updating their cellular network and making it unable to make calls.
You from Australia? Because it's the same for me, using OnePlus 7t pro but they fcuked up the cellular stuff and now even some 4g and 5g phones not working
@@Naruto-ts7qd yep!
Currently using my mum's old Pixel 3a XL, until I can get a new phone.
It works surprisingly well, considering it's age.
so yet again, consumerism has destroyed another interesting thing
it does not have to be motorized, it could have been manual as well, which would make it reliable.
Wow! Easy there,buddy! 😅
That's gonna be a space eater and if not done right,it's gonna be hella annoying to always flick your finger up and down and with todays smartphones getting bigger and longer,it's gonna be very inconvenient to place the switch high up on the side where you'd have to stretch your finger with the risk of dropping your phone in the process since the lower part will be filled by volume rockers and power button.
Mi mix 3 has a manual slider mechanism. It is kinda nice but the mechanism is based on ribbon cables and has several flaws like being vulnerable to dust and the cables being bent and frayed over time. So, the automatic pop-up is still better. Actually, you can mod Redmi K20 camera to slide out with a lightsaber sound and backlight, it looks crazy cool.
Did you make your script using chatgpt? Because it kinda sounds like one
iPhone X wasn't the first to increase the aspect ratio drastically. Early on was the Sharp Aquos Crystal in 2014 where the screen had a beveled edge all the way to the top. There was also the Mi Mix line.
Let's just pretend they did it before the iphone find our assesess and try molesting us
Apple really are copy cats there notch on iphone x from 2017 are a copy from essential phone that released on 2016.
Asus Flip Camera was the best solution of all: You can literally take selfies using the REAR cameras.
so they got rid of the pop up camera because a phone with less moving parts is more reliable
also phone companies: FoLd
Also Flip
Man I used to own one of these types of phones, it was the Xiaomi Mi 9T and it really felt like the future back then.
Bought it in 2019 and gave it to a friend after 2 years, he still has it and the pop-up camera never broke down.
I still have my Mi 9T Pro, but I almost never use the pop-up camera, heck, I rarely use the back camera. lol
I can go with punch hole but I just wish that phone manufacturers still put them on the top most left instead of the top center.
Same, watching on my Mi9T Pro 👀
hard disagree. the uncentered hole drives me nuts
got a mi 9t it was great until battery is trash and stuff started to break and crash so I just use it as a webcam for my pc now and got a new phone
@@fafiteee Agree to disagree? 😄
@@jonathanjoestarjojolion98 I've changed my Mi 9T Pro's battery and it's still great. There are still some custom roms being made for the device. I mainly use it at home for light gaming, youtube and media consumption and some other stuff, but when I go out I use my Poco X3 Pro. Technically I use my Mi 9T Pro more than the Poco X3 Pro since I work from home.
I'm also wondering what happened to large area under display fingerprint scanners (the ones where you could place your finger on a display area of multiple inches to unlock instead of having to place your finger on a spot with little finger placement headroom like on my Galaxy S24 for example.
Nobody on the internet talks about it.
The only phone I can think of with that is the new Sharp Aquos
What I can think of is that it takes too much space for the same functionality. If most people are comfortable with little but usable on-screen fingerprint, then why adding more spaces for that? Having a bigger space for it doesn't seem to give any advantages against the market, maybe some people will buy it for the sake of it, but the number will be not big.
These are going away because power button embedded fingerprint scanners exist
@@raffiihzazuhairnawan2091 I think it's more on how possible faults increase with complexity.
It's like how a laptop non touch screen is better than the touch. That extra layer makes it more delicate and easy to ruin
This logic should be the downfall of the pop-up camera
@@Person4148betterOppo too
My Father still uses Redmi K20 Pro & I use OnePlus 7t Pro as my secondary device to watch videos coz of it's full immersive quad hd display. It's been more than 5 years and they are still working Perfectly 🔥
5:06 "brands" being just ZTE and Samsung to an extent
ZTE is the only brand that is truly committed to this technology, they use it in all their top models.
While Samsung uses a much more rudimentary version of that under-screen technology, you can see the pixels on the Z Fold's in-selfie camera and the quality is worse than on the ZTE's models.
For most answers of why something got obsolete. Generally answer is value brought for money spent. Pop up cameras have better privacy and look but to achieve that, Does the feature bring in more money or it could be spent for something more important.
Similar story in Apple's 3d touch, The feature brought improvements but it was expensive for the improvements it brought.
In short, practicality wins over luxury in long run.
There is an another solution, no front camera at all. I don't need it.
To this day, I simply cannot imagine changing my OnePlus 7T Pro.
It simply can't be beaten to me, and I wish they'd refresh its design with better specs for a new model.
Mi 9T PRO owner here, I just have to say that the screen looks incredibly beautiful for a 5 year old phone
I've been using the OnePlus 7T Pro for 5 years now, and you know what? Absolutely nothing, it still works perfectly. The camera functions smoothly without any lags, and this is despite the fact that it's been through a lot. It's been dropped numerous times, everything is cracked, the screen is burnt out, and the glass is shattered in several places on both sides. Yet, it still works just as well as the day I bought it. And I bought it precisely because it has a pop-up camera. This phone was definitely worth it.
Dude, I've still the same phone now. It works perfectly!
Still waiting for a worthy phone to change.
But the camera is laughably bad and so is the software
@@Samsonfs He is old
I remember when there were many ads about pop up cameras featuring extreme durability campaigns like using a support for the small stage with the ballerina dancing over it
Oppo was rally creative with its designs back thn! But the issue is, my sister owned a OnePlus 7 Pro, but she accidentally dropped the phone, making the camera popup to jam and now her old OnePlus 7 Pro is "front camera-less"
But 7 pro has camera retract feature when it senses drop so the camera doesn't go back inside when she dropped?
@Short_N_Simple i said it jammed. Now the camera doesn't come out. As far as i know, she dropped it and it didn't come out.
Owner of a Samsung A80 for 4 years now. People were scared of such an "experimental" phone back then but the phone still works perfectly, the camera still flips like it should, and I can still fully enjoy my uninterrupted screen.
Another big reason I got this phone was that it shipped with Qualcomm chips worldwide, and since I live in Europe I didn't want to deal with Exynos, especially since my previous Samsung Exynos phone died in just 2 years
I'm still using the Redmi K20 Pro/Mi 9T pro with a custom ROM. And it still runs flawlessly. I bought it used for around 120$ last year. I can assure u that it still performs better than some mid range phones of today. Also the full screen is surely enjoybale once u get used to it. Peak smartphone design era
I'm still using my OnePlus 7T Pro, and I will continue to use it until one of us dies.
Simple reason! Too many moving parts, dust/dirt, and too prone to failure! WHY do you think ALL major players in the market have gone to under-glass cameras? Same reason the flip-out keyboards vanished from back in the day.
I used to own a Redmi K20 Pro and i loved that phone to its very end. I still miss that phone sometimes. Just so good and worth the money it was. Never found another phone like that
A flippable, rotatable same main camera that also act as selfie camera is the best design funcntionally and privacy wise
Dude - wait - your content is so good I thought you were established for ages (and with 10x more subscribers)! 6 videos in and such great quality, we love to see it!
That said, that OnePlus was such a great design. The closest now to (somewhat) max screen estate that I can vouch for would be the Xperia 1/5/10 range keeping that slick Sony design.
I agree with what was said here about if it stayed a few more generations it'd have improved to a great level. That or cameras that 'see' through an LED screen, of course.
man i remember i wanted to make a video about this a couple months ago, you've definitely made it better than i ever could have had
what happened to pop up cameras? well i'm still using it.
I have the Oppo Reno x10 zoom with me for 4 years now, and while it's starting to show it's age in terms of other areas (battery, camera, buggy software), the pop up camera actually still works amazing. Sometimes people are surprised by the pop up camera and it's like a "gotcha" moment for me.
As someone who NEVER use selfie camera, im pretty sad pop up phones are gone.
Still rocking my oneplus 7 pro to this day and works as great as the first day. I barely use the pop up camera so the benefit of the full display is really nice. To this day there's no new phone i would want for free in this new era of smartphone.
I've been using OnePlus phones since 2018, starting with OP5. When I saw the reveal of the 7 Pro I immediately fell in love with its design and I knew that I need it. In late 2020 I actually got one and it was amazing, uninterrupted edge to edge curved screen (that curve was perfect for gesture navigation) with thin bezels. I planned to never change phones until either someone comes out with a new popup design or with an underscreen one, or even one without a selfie camera at all because I hardly ever use it! Problems started when I had to replace the USB port because I broke it by bending the cable too much, resulting in a loss of fast charging, the repair wouldn't be cheap and at the same time I kind of wanted to change the battery as well because I got the phone used and its battery started to show its age a bit. All repair shops wanted me to leave the phone with them for a couple of days which I wasn't able to do because I had a trip to Berlin scheduled in the coming days, I ended up just taking it and my OP5 with me as a backup in case the port fails entirely. And that was a good call, because on a rainy day the phone slipped out of my hand and the screen got obliterated. After a few hours it went completely black with seemingly no signs of life coming out of it, fortunately I managed to back up all of my files in that time. And guess what - when I was still able use the phone for a brief amount of time, I checked if the popup camera still worked after the drop - AND IT DID! I was so sad that I lost the best phone ever made... Surprisingly enough going back to the OP5 didn't feel that bad - even though that phone was already 6 years old it still felt pretty good, but it was clear that the software support was long gone, so I decided to buy something newer on the first good occasion, and I ended up getting an OP 10 Pro - it's almost the exact same size as 7 Pro, even the weight is similar, the screen is still curved although much less than on the 7 Pro so it doesn't feel as good but it's still ok of course, and the screen... has a holepunch camera. It doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would but there are certain apps that still act weird because they have to somehow avoid it, and in brighter content it's painfully obvious. I would love to see OP making another 7 Pro - they would of course never be able to beat it, in my opinion it's the best phone that ever came out, but at least I would be able to enjoy a full screen again. But that won't happen because OP is only a subbrand of Oppo right now, which is just sad to see.
Ofcourse the pop up had to go since it hid the camera otherwise how would the companies and government get our data and live feeds from if not from the only thing that's constantly with us everywhere we go and everything we do.
My mom still has her Vivo V15 Pro, the pop up camera stopped working since a year ago. I bought her Galaxy A54 as replacement since she use front camera for video call pretty much everyday.
Not gunna lie, I loved the idea of the pop up camera. While I was never a big selfie person, the novelty of the pop up camera was cool and it did clean up the screen of that obnoxious dot or gash when watching videos.
2nd that. It was a complete phone in all aspects. While initially it fell a bit short on camera , it later got better .
I realized how good this was for price until phone makers stopped making good and innovative phones and jacked up prices post COVID
The oneplus 7 pro was just SO awesome. Now it’s just holes, no matter the price…
I swear I thought at 2:10, bro was gonna segue to a nord vpn ad HAHAHAHAHA
The battery concern was effectively thrown out with the advent of the Mi Mix 3 which had a manual sliding mechanism instead.
Had the tech been given more time and effort, we may have even seen spring-loaded pop-ups like on the MateBook X Pro.
I absolutely loved my OnePlus 7T Pro, the closest experience I had as a successor was the ZenFone 7 Pro.
GCam made that phone even better.
this channel is so underrated! keep it up bro.
I had a Mi9T Pro for 4 years and it was the best phone I’ve ever had. Great battery, fast, headphone jack, charged fast and didn’t have a camera in my face all the time. I bought specifically because I don’t use the camera at all, so I didn’t want it filling space in my screen. It was a great gimmick to surprise people too
I use the OnePlus 7T Pro regularly with face unlock enabled and the pop-up camera works well to this day.
Bro just uploaded 5 vids and they were so good people made him so famous no other You tuber can answer the questions simply and easily than you
I like how companies keep making excuses for why they ditched pop up cameras while those issues are present and even worse in folding screen phones.
The OP7 and the Note 9 are imo the peak of smartphone design
Hell, if they just shipped a Note 9 with a relatively modern chip and modern mid range camera it’d be an insta buy for me
Also the dual display phones i.e VIVO Nex Dual. I always liked dual display phones since you can use the main camera to take a selfie without needing to fold/flip. Please make a video for those too.
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Definitely loving your channel, dude! I'm a new fan! Keep up the good work and edits, I'm really loving your style!❤
I've had a redmi k20 pro (aka Mi9T) for like 5 years now. Never had a problem with its pop up camera. I've actually dropped it several times and the latest one broke its back glass, but the pop up camera lives on :D
I was just thinking about this yesterday. This should have been the standard. In my country they still sell Huawei Y9 phones, mid-rangers from 2019, I think they are all refurbished but the popups work just fine.
I can't let go of my Xiaomi/Redmi K20/Mi 9T, Five years after purchase my phone works as good as new except for a failing battery and power buttons. I love the uninterrupted screen for UA-cam and gaming. I am considering getting the Xiaomi Mi Mix 4 because it's the one of the more affordable screens with an under display camera.
I mean, the pop-up selfie camera was a great innovation because you could make the camera as good as you want and you didn't have to make a huge notch or hole-punch to achieve that. Phones like Zenfone was actually the best because you could use less cameras and get the same quality for both the back and front photos.
I mean, I still would buy a phone like the old Zenfones, especially with the fact that they managed to make foldable phones water and dust resistant.
Vey nice video on this topic.👍 The most known tech to represent the under-display camera tech is the Z-Fold lineup.
They nicely integrated it into the phone and it did pretty good, but problems like the quality of the camera were a problem.
Not enough light got through the see-through Oled sheet onto of the camera ,nerfing the quality, so they have to go for a bigger and less refined sensor to get as much light in as possible to solve the problem.
Im sure this will evolve on as we go ,with more testing and experiments. But we'll have to see.👌
another thing about hole punch cameras, most the time when watching a video the aspect ratio of the video doesnt match the phones aspect ratio, the black bars created by that hides the hole punch anyways. if wide screen video content was the standard, id definitely consider something like a pop up cam.
if apple implemented pop up cameras, you already know the whole industry is gonna follow suit. (rip headphone jack, i will forever be mildly annoyed most phone companies went away with it)
There would be other solutions for people who dislike notches and punchholes:
1. Release Smartphones with very small top and bottom bezel like the Sony Xperia 1 VI. (also good for front facing speakers and notification LED, which Sony sadly removed)
2. Implement a display on the backside and remove front facing camera. (bad for live streamers etc. but good for people who rarely use the front camera)
3. Implement a small hole/storage compartment in the smartphone were you can put a external USB C camera. (Could compromise water and dust resistance of the phone.)
I loved the solution, I seldom use front camera so I really loved the full screen 👍
I tested that Samsung Galaxy A80 in-store and honestly it made me sad Samsung wouldn't ever bring that tech to their flagship lineup. Not *just* a pop-up camera, but a mechanism that pops up and flips the main camera towards you? So sick
I had a Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 and the whole screen slid down to reveal the selfie camera. It was such a fun design!
Man, i never even cared for the bezeless craze in the fist place. When exactly did we decide that actually having something to hold onto when watching a video was a bad thing?
I'd love a vid on rear fingerprint readers. I think they'd be a great addition nowadays, especially since every phone is the length of a football field, and rear sensors would be good for activating one handed mode.
those were so so cool..
actually, the only phone i use now has one, but it's a mi 9t pro, so it really shows its age in its slowness and now the faulty battery.. !
unfortunately it only has one speaker too, i really wish these popups made a comback!
I always wanted one smartphone with pop up camera because I don't take a lot of selfies and I would like 100% of usable display. But It never got cheaper despite the years ( at least in my country), so I still wish to have one for myself.
My last phone (poco f2 pro) had one and i loooved it, never cared about taking selfies and i hated screen interruptions
I hope they come back again. Camera tech nowadays is brilliant.
I had what I consider to be the best tradeoff between full screen and no electronically moving parts...
A slide-out phone, the Xiaomi MI Mix 3 5G. It basically used the same principle slider phones used back in the 2000's, incorporating magnets for that satisfying click.
And I did feel like regressing when I switched to a Motorola Edge 30 Pro, I never got used to the cutout, so I eventually switched to an iPhone 15 Pro. It still annoys me and always will, but it doesn't seem like under display cameras will be mainstream for a few more years, so it is what it is.
I just wish Google would've supported the Android community more so that I could still use my MI Mix 3, which was forgotten about on Android Pie. 😔
hello Sir, I just want to let to know to you. The Samsung AMOLED display that was on the Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that they put up. It was a over stock AMOLED display of Mi Mix 3.
@@DarkOracleOfDeath with Xiaomi, you have to get things onto your hands and put some custom ROM. Moto got very nice software update policy.
You forgot to add the Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 unique mechanism to hide cameras and even frontal light flash, where the entire phone was literally divided in two halfs just like the old Nokias.
The topics are always interesting
Recently switched to a Galaxy A55 after using an Oppo F11 pro for over 5 years (still very much functional, just wanted an upgrade). While the hole-punch doesn't bother me much, it's hard not to miss the uninterrupted display (not to mention the dedicated fingerprint scanner on the back of the phone that I found super convenient and much faster than the A55's under-display scanner) 😅 Haven't been loving Oppo's releases for a while, but that F11 pro was a trooper. Even survived a quick plunge into an ice cooler despite having no official IP rating😂
I've been thinking about this lately, thanks for this vid
You are such a new channel with high quality. Man i hope you grow fast. Amazing video
Still can't get over the fact that they removed the headphone jack and sd card slot.
I really like this feature. Just imagine this feature with the actual borderless trend. I remember my first Oppo Reno
The flip up camera was the best, with the main camera flipping up to function as the selfie cam!
I still have my oppo reno1 upto this day...and its pop-up camera still rocks and surprising to people like it's a rare device for them
Might as well follows ROGphone 7 where the top and bottom bezels are actually usable for housing bigger speakers and front camera
Mate there were a gazillion android phones with an edge to edge display and a much smaller notch than iphone X and they were launched much before the iphone. Essential phone PH1 for example.
Soon as you started to say "In a world where data privacy..." I got ready to skip 20 secs expecting to be marketed yet another VPN 😂. But dude you have an amazing channel and I wish for you to one day grow big enough to get sponsors. Just keep up the vids and quality
i rocked with my mi 9t for years it had amazing screen but i also apreciate fast face unlock and water proofness other than that they are still gonna replaced by under screen camera which is another cool technology
My Mi 9T is a few days from being 5 years old and is still working just fine. I'm not the biggest fan of the camera since it drew from water resistance and practicality. Though as I don't use it too often it doesn't bother me that much and I'm definitely gonna miss the full edge to edge screen on whatever my next phone will be.