Owner of an '18 GT350R here. In '19 participated in the Ford Performance Racing School in Tooele, Utah. To truly appreciate the capabilities of these cars, you need to experience what they can do on a track. Cornering ability and high rev power are absolutely astonishing. On the street you really can't use over 70% of what they are capable of. At least not if you value having a drivers' license!
@@MStrange88 What color is ur gt350R?. Im looking to get mine wrapped in either dark grey w/ black stripe, grabber blue w/ black stripe or classic wimbledon white w/ blue stripe like the Heritage Edition. Just deciding on color is difficult on a car that looks great in every color!! 😮💨
Was there as well in 2018. Asked the instructor how much faster the 350 is on the track compared to the GT. He said he would lap a GT in the 350 in a handful of laps because of the brakes and suspension and the little extra HP.
I owned a 17GT pp1 and currently own a 19gt350. Both cars are fantastic in their own way. But they drive completely different. The GT is a great street car but if you’re planning on hitting the track on the weekends you want the 350. If you find the 350 underwhelming it’s because you should be driving 1 gear lower than you are. The real power is after 4500 which is another reason why it’s a drivers car. Keep your rpm’s up and you won’t be disappointed. If you’re still reading this have a good day and accomplish your goals
I had my Gen 1 Voodoo motor replaced for burning a quart every 300-500 miles. Did three separate oil consumption tests to verify, and it was decided I'd get a brand new Gen 2 motor. After some time spent in the shop and a very careful engine break-in period, everything is smooth sailing and have not consumed a drop of oil in 1500 miles
Glad to hear your burning issue was resolved with the new engine but to state your not burning a drop of oil is a little off lol, you do have some oil consumption whether your seeing it at the stick or not, it's totally normal and expected for these engines to consume a little bit even when in top notch shape. But glad you got yours fixed rite.
Thanks for the review! I appreciate that you took the time to outline the main differences between the 5.0 (GT, Mach 1, etc) and the GR350/GT350R. Good use of extra diagrams like the Magnaride pic(s), and the butterfly valve pic with the active exhaust.
WOW, VERY through in depth info on the GT350, very well said, this guy knows what he is talking about, this is coming from a guy-me who owns a GT350. Everything he said was spot on except the magneride, you can lower the car with specific coil springs that work perfectly fine with the magneride.
Been a Mustang guy for almost 30 years. Either platform is gonna be great. That being said, I love my GT350 more than any other performance car I've owned. Definitely my forever car.
@@mikehughes8023 Ford stated that the 2019 and 2020 uses the predator block and can handle up to 12 psi of boost. 10 psi is somewhat conservative relatively speaking. You don’t see too many boosted 350s and even less boosted failures
@@SlvrWlf88 he said if you want something strictly for drag racing and boosting. The 10A will outshift you every time. Theyre still feeling those shift boy
I've been looking around at prices for GT350s lately too. With interest rates going through the roof, and gasoline still pretty high, dealerships want to get rid of these types of cars more quickly than before. The average person looking to spend $70k on a vehicle isn't shopping for what's basically a 2-seater sports car. They're looking for a $70k SUV instead, and dealers know that the SUV will sell faster than the sports car.
That color is SICK on your Shelby man. I considered the 350, as well as the GT but I wound up with a Chevy, hahaha! I got a hell of a great deal on my SS 1LE, and I enjoyed the low end torque. Still keeping my eyes open for a Gt 350, can't help but loving that car for the voodoo but I think I made a Damn good choice in the meantime. Great video bub. Thanks
Key maintenance tip with a flat plane crank engine that revs high: Check and tighten every bolt to spec on the engine every 6-12 months...depending on usage (miles and high-rev-time) These flat-plane crank engines vibrate a lot more than the cross-plane engines and tend to shake everything loose.
Ford though they had the high displacement flat-plane V8 crown until team Corvette came along with the LT6 and took a giant dump on ‘em. It’s a good example of taking an existing cross-plane engine architecture and trying to make it flat plane vs. designing a flat plane V8 from the ground up. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Voodoo and I’m absolutely glad that Ford built it, but it’s not in the same league as the LT6. It’s a damn shame that we’ll never see the sixth gen Camaro Z28 with the LT6 and manual trans that was planned at one point.
Thanks bro'. I own an '18 GT350. I thought I knew everything youtube had to teach about the GT350 but you taught me a couple things I didn't know. I had always been a little fearful about blowing the engine because of the internet horror stories so was glad to hear that this is primarily related to low engine oil levels. I have been and will continue to keep on top of those levels so that I can drive this car without worry! The only regret I have about the car is not getting the R.
I own both, a ‘19 GT350 and a ‘16 Shelby Hertz with started out as a GT. The Hertz is an auto and the GT350 is a 6spd. Both are very different in their own ways. The Hertz is a little more zippy from 0-30, but the 350 pulls much better from 50-100. I like the interior of the Hertz better. Both are fun.
Love the video. I have a '22 GT. Love it. I'm going to add upgrades to mine and, basically, put my favorite parts from the Mach and GT350. Cold air intake? Check. H-pipes with resonator delete and Active exhaust? check. MagnaRide lowering kit? check. That gorgeous rear wing. hell yeah. Very complete review. Thanks and you've got a gorgeous car there.
I love my mach1 it is a automatic, it is very fun car , it is not the fastest car on the planet ,,the Perfomsnce to me is out of this world not as good as your GT350r but close enough for what I do ,, over all I love the mach1 ,, it does everything I want it to do & more ,, it may not have all the bells & whistles because it is a automatic,, but very fun very capable car for track days or drag racing over all for me it was a great fit for me ,,, love your video awesome job
It is but it’s also significantly more expensive than a GT, also with the aftermarket support for the S550 you can easily make a GT handle as well as a GT350.
@@cdcnd4spd13 definitely, its a much more collectible and sought after car. The GT is the bang for buck, the 350 is a perfected S550 where less corners were cut.
The choice to put a ferrari-type flat-plane crank into a ford mustang so it burbles and gurgles and sputters like a drunk bullfrog was absolute genius - thank you Ford!
Your mustang knowledge is impressive. I like that u pointed out the 5.0 has better low end torque. I actually kept the stock intake manifold on my s550 for that reason and it was a daily driver not tracked.
I pretty much went through these decisions back in 18 where I had found a GT350 in the color I wanted and the dealer was willing to let it go for sticker but the oil consumption issues bothered me so I went with a GT premium PP1 6 speed and am happy with my decision since I don’t track it. I have no problems with the MT-82.
@@Shiftnlift Not like the Gt350. Ford has had to replace a lot of engines because of oil consumption. I’ve had 4 coyotes and none of them consumed more than a half a quart over 4,000 miles.
@scottyV1000 I've owned 4 myself.. my last 1 my 18 gtpp1 consumed probably around 1 quart every 1000 miles. Gen 3 coyotes definitely do and it's based off the gt350 motor. I actually messed up my motor due to it. After seeing this a buddy of mines checked his and sure enough his was consuming oil as well. Took it to dealership took it apart ford says it's normal I can upload the statement if u like lol that's why the 18 and up hold 10 quarts of oil just like the 350 does ford knows this
@@Shiftnlift I have two gen 3s, My 18 Mustang is using very little and my 22 F150 hasn’t used any in 2,500 miles. I’m checking that one every 500 miles because the previous generation of F150s had a problem and I don’t know if Ford’s fixes worked but so far so good. I had a 14 GT that didn’t use a drop and a 2015 F150 that used the most about a half a quart in 4,000 miles.
@scottyV1000 yea man I had a 13gt myself no oil consumption issues. But I think driving characteristics play a roll too. When you rev them high is when they burn oil. I used to smell mines lol. My 18pp1 was a manual so I did rev it out more before shifting. My current one is a 18 10r80 I think that transmission shifting limits it more just my opinion
Very nice job on your video, when I bought my 2020 GT went with the level 1 and a Roush supercharger stage 2 from Ford if I was going to track it would have got the 350
**If you are considering buying a 350, you need to watch this entire video. ** There's a lot of valuable information here. Great job! Well done and informative, and presented quickly and very thoroughly. You packed a lot of good and pertinent information in 20 minutes. I"ve got a GT350 and know everything that you say, but I still watched all the way through.
what makes flat-plane V8 special compared to the x-plane ? pros and cons among them ? (i'm new to stangs' world and looking around for one for daily use)
You can really tell the sound of a GT350. This girl at my old job drove one. Omg every time she would drive by the building it was like a serenade. I would love to get a new Mach 1 at some point but 65k is out of my reach right now. Guess I will just make due with my grabber blue 2010 GT500 and my triple yellow 2016 GT premium 5.0 convertible with the old 6 speed automatic transmission. Being on a budget I purchased these both as one previous owner cars. Picked up the 2010 GT 500 back in 2012 with only 14k miles for 42 grand. Just recently got the 2016 5.0 convertible with 21k miles for 36 grand. Thanks for the great information. For me it would be a new Mach 1. There is a loaded one sitting in the show room at my local Ford dealer. I think the sticker is about 65 grand.
The gen 3 coyote has a 7400 redline and from my perspective has plenty of power at the top end. I bought my slightly used 2019GT vert with an A10, performance exhaust, 401A, and 3.55 gears for a sweet price before the price madness. My issue with the GT350 is that they never made available the digital gauge cluster. For the price they were charging, that’s a big omission.
I think the analog gauges are cooler especially the unique 200 mph gauges these had. I'm not into all this digital here screen there tech they're stuffing into cars these days. I'm not trying to get a BMW or Cadillac I want a race bred special mustang that is a true drivers car in every sense of the word and the gt350 checks all the boxes. The fact it has the 200 mph analog gauges is a plus in my book. 7400 rpm is significantly lower than 8250 that is why he said it's considerably higher than any of the 5.0s which is true. An a10 gt is a super common car that is everywhere a gt350 is special and unique in every way and looks wise its far superior stock vs stock.
@@user-bd8oq3cy2q the Corvette 3KT trims get the goodies because they are charging a price premium. 2018 and up 350’s should have came with the digital cluster full stop. They the digital gauge cluster in the GT500. Ford decided to cheap out and not spend any money on a design change for a short lived model run.
When it comes to the GT350, the cool factor is off the charts, but when it comes to price, its cheaper to get a GT and upgrade the suspension and throw on a blower than it is to buy a GT350. You also don't have to deal with the oil consumption issues. Sure, the MT82 might not be as good, but it can be upgraded if needed. I think the GT350 is a great car if you want to leave it stock and just want a car that's faster than the GT out of the box and you're willing to constantly watch the oil/buy oil for it and refill it. I feel the same way about the Mach 1, minus the oil issue. The GT is just the perfect modder's car. Its a canvas. the Mach 1/Bullitt/GT350 are cars best left alone so they'll be worth a fortune one day because they're a special limited trim level.
The gen 2 voodoo didn't seem to have oil consumption problems nearly as much. The gt350 is just an awesome looking and performing car that is a true drivers car in every sense of the word. It's a good car if you want a good base for an na beast and don't want to mess with suspension alot. Maybe do some lowering springs and call it a day. They're truly special cars. This is the last one Ford really got it right on they been swinging and missing in my eyes the past few years. You can clearly tell the company has different people at the top vs 8-10+ years ago.
Also imo Mach 1 and bullit really aren't that special. Everyone has an opinion and I respect yours I just don't think those cars are special like a gt350 is. The older svt and Ford performance cars just got it right. Bullit and Mach 1 are basically glorified gts.
So is it true a Mach1 with the handling package beat a Shelby GT350 on the track but with an auto? Only asking 'cause I own a 2021 Mach1 with the Handling Package and the Tremec and honestly love it! Haha, Sorry I couldn't resist guys but in all seriousness I have mass respect for anything with the Shelby name on it as well as 5.0s, if I had the money I'd be in a GT500. I've owned a few including a really nice '73 Mach1 so I'm probably biased. Great video!
Gt350 for a collector/weekend toy. 5.0 for everything else, only thing that would scare me about the 350 is the oil consumption issues and cooling issues. Few friends of mine had a 17/18 and both had issues with oil consumption issues. Coyote motor is not cheap to replace but the voodoo is ridiculously expensive to replace
I have read that the 2020 gt350 has some different suspension vs earlier years. Something about the gt500 knuckles. I also found that the front caliper bolts are different. Still trying to figure out differences on the 2020 gt350. One thing about carbon fiber wheels - longer wheel studs from the factory.
I’ve been puzzled reading in forums when people are debating getting a either a GT PP2 or a GT350. I think that the GT350 will hold its value better and it doesn’t have the unreliable 6 speed in it. Maybe the insurance for the GT350 is higher though?
Like your review. Please note, there was increase in power thru software upgrade on lower RPM starting with 2019 models. My 2019 GT350 picking up power faster in low RPM compare to 2018.
You can buy a base 5.0 and put every single gt350R piece on your Gt cheaper then spending the extra $$$ And buying the 350/R Regularly All the R goodies will bolt right up to a gt. You really can’t beat a Gt for the price!! plus u get the low end torque!!
For the 60k price of a shelby gt 350 you can get a 2019 mustang gt PP 1 buy a supercharger from vmp buy a borla attack catback with x pipe and it would be alot faster than the shebly gt 350 526 hp vs 830 HP tuned by palm beach dyno
Well done Sir !!! Outstanding .... I can tell you my 2020 has no oil issues ... drove from Northern Ontario Canada to Rhode Island (800 miles) for 13 hours straight and drive her like she should and not a drop of oil missing, prior to using Amsoil ... What do you use for Transmission oil? Amsoil or Ford? Thank you Sir
Which one do you think is a better buy- the new Mustang Dark Horse manual OR the new 2023 M2 manual? Just for street use not track focused driving anticipated. Interested in your educated opinion. Both cars will start in low $60’s.
both will be fun to drive. bmw will be more sophisticated but have higher maintenance/repair costs. dark horse will be a bigger car but will probably have a better power band. can't go wrong but you will be fighting big dealer mark ups on both cars.
If you wanna mod it with added hp mods don't go with the new mustang it's locked down with over the air updates and is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to tune outside of cookie cutter Ford approved tunes.
You said AFTER 17 the track pack was standard, but it was after the 2016 Model year that the track pack was standard. I know since I have a 17 GT350 when that became standard.
The GT350 is my favorite modern Mustang. I think it’s also one of the best looking modern cars on the road. The A10 GT is a great performance bargain as well but the owners usually think they are the fastest cars in the universe.
I know it's super annoying and they beat their chest like they did something special when it's the car and tuner doing all the work a monkey could drive that fast lol. So cringe and predictable. If you want a true drivers car gt350 all day.
I drove the GT350 it was great and felt special. However I much preferred the mach1. Having the low end torque going from 1500 ish rpm up to 3 k'ish was sooo much better. The GT350 just lugged so going from normal driving to trying to change lanes/pass was just horrible. Track wise, since I'm not a pro, I really don't think I'd go any faster in the GT350. Maybe an advanced driver would be faster but for me I'm just not. So since Mach 1 has all the track "goodies" the GT350 has but also low end I chose the Mach 1 Down side is the GT350 felt and sounded special for everyday driving. The Mach 1 feels just like a 5.0 until you start to push it.
The low end torque at low RPM is a significant consideration depending on your driving style. Even my Coyote based "Roadrunner" engine in my 2013 Boss 302 with 444 HP stock and 3:73 LSD Torsen rear end (again stock) seems like it has no low end compared to my much smaller Porsche 981 S 3.4L engine. The 981 just has this pull that you can feel pushing you back in the seat. Even in higher gears. I'm still not really sure how Porsche does that but I do like that feeling and style of driving. The Laguna Seca encourages me to drive like a maniac and I can't resist. Yes, it's amazing in it's own way! So if the GT350 is even weaker at low RPM I don't think I'd like that.
@@flat6fever680 on the plus side you can downshift and have no lack of power, but that gets old when you're just trying to go like 3 mph faster to get in front of grandma.
Nice video You forgot to mention the front fenders are wider and Aluminum. The suspension is different with different knuckles and are not interchangeable. Plus the 350’s are limited production with hand assembled engines. These were not easily obtained and has dealer markups for years. I’ve had two 5.0’s, which were great, but the 350 feels special and like a completely different car. Hope to keep my 17 350 as long as possible.
A quart every 500 miles is more than the old RX7 rotaries would use. I know lots of people with tuned turbocharged 4 cylinders that are under high stress with no oil consumption. Do those engines have a problem, or is Ford recommending a light oil to meet government requirements?
Gen 1 Coyote: 2011-14, Gen 2 Coyote: 2015-17, Gen 3 Coyote: 2018+ The Gen 3 Coyote had slightly larger displacement. Which gave it 30 more hp than the Gen 2.
The extremely slight displacement change didn't give it 30 hp on its own lol. It had 1 point higher compression, dual fuel, better intake with higher redline, better cams and higher flowing heads. Just the very small displacement change of like 5 cubic inches isn't gonna make that much difference it was all those things together.
I just ordered a 2018 GT350 with 30,000 now I'm worried the previous owner dumped it after not keeping up with the oil consumption. Anyway to easily tell on delivery/inspection?
Custom exhaust is the last mod. Or should be..stock exhaust manifolds are really good. Tires, get rid of all the rubber bushings, way better use of cash.
engine ticks, oil leaks, spark plug/coil failures, egr valve issues, throttle body failures. nothing earth shattering but stuff to look for. figure out what years/generation you are looking at to narrow down the problems by year as some have been addressed.
@Enthusiasts Garage thank you. I never realized the 5.0 had those issues. Today, they want 52k for a 5.0, which is unbelievable. I really like the gt 350 with 6 speed transmission, but 70k and up is steep. Thank you for the great advice.
@@EnthusiastsGarage Looks like Quality Control. Ford does't check for any of the mentioned issues. And here's the funny thing. Fords going to build electric cars. HA HA HA
Too bad tuning will be a nightmare and super limited not only that they will be able to see remotely if you've tampered with it far as mods and tuning.
Price difference in my country is around $120000 AUD between the 2 as 2nd hand vehicles......that's a lot of head room to modify your 17gt, thow in a calimer 1000hp trans, 5.2 voodoo built and supercharged, gt350r brake swap, and more.
Sub 150k, this is the car to have for me all day everyday. If you want a high revving, 500+ hp, manual transmission car, your only other option is the porsche gt3. Nobody is selling those for less than 150k especially the manual ones. For roughly 50k-60k for a good condition regular 350 and 70k-80k for a nice R, you can’t go wrong with this thing.
The GT350 motor was such a success that Ford has decided to never build a cross plane crank motor ever again. The IMSA race team thought it was such a great design they went and used a different one. Needless to say, at the end of the day the cross plane crank motor is great sounding, but durability wise it missed the mark which will leave it as a nice collectible novelty for enthusiasts seeking a fun street car.
I wouldn't do it. Those engines are very flaky and expensive to replace. If you do buy one. Make sure you ask if the engine had been replaced under Ford warranty before. They are notorious for having oil issues.
only problem is you add power that 10speed starts to become no good at 700whp. Stock they have issues finding a gear. adding power they get worse. You are better with the 6speed auto if adding power and there are a few good things about the gen 3 coyote but you are still better off with a 2017 gen2 6 speed. 6 speed auto can be build and gets stock sealed 5.0 deeper into the 7s in the 1/4 than a 10 speed which Midnight performance one of the best builders of the 10r80 10spd end up having you start in 2nd gear and actually for real race applications get rid of some of the gears. Another mistake is ppl love the smooth feeling in the gt350 and swear its far more seperior to the 6spd manual in the mustang gt. Yes it feels better but when it comes to adding power you go somewhere like Calmer transmissions get a stage 2 or 3 build and the mt82 from the gt will handle tons of power when the gt350 trans goes to shit with power hence why ppl are going sequential or built mt82. Top builders like Aldoweld and midnight performance and top tuners like lund and PBD will agree with everything i said. Basically if you are staying stock the gt350 trans and 10spd auto in the gt are great . but the FPC Voodoo in the gt350 is amazing but the have a tendency to vibrate themselves to death and you will end up trading in because of this. Thats where mach 1 is great if keeping it stock you get the good trans but coyote. Gt500 only thing that holds it back is if you are a dragstrip guy ppl need to understand the dct in the gt500 was developed for roadcourse so it makes it bad at drag racing. hence why a stock sealed coyote can get into the 7s and a v8 f150 go 8s in the 1/4 but yet gt500 stock sealed can make 1200whp 1300whp but trans overtemp issues and slipping its hard to get mid 8s. impressive still. because 10k of mods get a gt500 into mid to low 9s with little upgrades. but getting into the 8s the trans will give you issues. they have done low 8s with stock dct but most running those times had to go with a turbo400 drag trans. so i say if you are traying to go fast go with a mustang gt. Stock special car go gt500 or gt350. But everyone loves upgrading
You can have your tremec built to handle power just like an mt82. You are correct that if you wanna boost gen 2 coyote is the best. The engine can handle just as much as gen 3 and the 6r80 is stouter than the 10r. All those gears aren't needed when you're making big power.
Thi takes me to back in the days, the mid 90's (96) when i purchased my first car, A Saleen s281 speedster edition. Since the fox body generation Saleen had taken the torche from Shelby and with the mustang accomplished much of the same goals both on and off the track. His mustang in the pro racing circuit was winners, and in endurance GT class racing their has to be road going versions of those race cars. And similar to Shelby Saleen made a business around tuned mustangs. But his 'tunes' were so far removed from normal factory stock mustangs that they were officially classified as Saleens, serialized and had the racing DNA to prove it. The difference between factory and saleens creations were night and day. if a blind man had the ability to drive there would be no relation between the performance levels of the factory mustang versus the various models of Saleens. Going from mild to wild. Saleens drove better than ferrari's with an equally good soundtrack. they were not designed to be drag racing mustangs but instead were focused on the track, turns and balance. everything the factory mustang was not. And as such since most people here in the states were not into endurance racing, could they readily understand the higher cost of such mustangs. more over in terms of tunning suspension many third party aftermarket vendors sold handling upgrade kits, that enabled them to improve on the factory mustang, but without actual track and racing knowledge most people simply got it all wrong. And thats were Saleen accelled. Long before Ford brought back the shelby name under its own banner Saleen had laid the path to that level of performance. Saleen did it decades prior. But Ford did their homework as well. For them it began with their Boss302 of 2013. And its laguna seca edition. Ford using the same techniques as Saleen to solve the issues of the mustangs live rear axel. nutralizing its wayward ways. And with their Parnelli Jones eddition doubled down on the steering. But Ford also had one more trick, A trick that actually came from the GM camp side of things.. The magne-ride suspension upgrade for the Shelby GT 350. This made a cow dance like a gazzel around a track slowing down its dive and roll making a heavy car stiff and as nimble as a light weight sports car. And then they did something that quite of few mustang enthusiats had long wanted to see employed into the mustang... the use of a Flat plane crank. many articles were written about this, especially when comparisons were made with Ford modular 4.6 and Ferrari's 4.6 , what exactly separated the two. Ironically this much better performing engine layout was well known by Ford engineers for decades, as it was a common use for smaller displacement european engines. Their thought was that americans wanted displacement, not revs to produce power. That we wanted all our power down low in the revs making it good for dragracing and power off the line. This idea stuck, until the GT350 Fords new engineers broke from tradition, and everything that the engineers strayed from prior, they were set to execute and they did, They brought back the Shelby name, Made the FordGT, and took factory Ford back to Lemans. only thing one person did it with mustang and his own creation prior. Saleen. little known fact is that the same year the mclaren F1 debuted at lemans was also the same year Saleen RRR ran two of his racing mustangs. and but a few years later saw one of his S7' supercars win its class in the last GT1 class for lemans. Ford was going back to racing and their performance lineup all gained from that goal. So.... having long diverted from this video topic. is the Shelby GT350 worth it over a normal mustang? well in all due respect the normal mustang is a great car. but its not a Shelby GT350. and those little details in peformance amount to a vast difference in driving passion. This is the last generation of combustion performance sports cars from ford, eventually things will go electric. and no electric car will have the same passion as the beast that drinks and consumes fuel to live.
For the 60k price of a shelby gt 350 you can get a 2019 mustang gt PP 1 buy a supercharger from vmp buy a borla attack catback with x pipe and it would be alot faster than the shebly gt 350 526 hp vs 830 HP tuned by palm beach dyno
You talked about the internet overhyping the problems with the voodoo motor. That’s also true about the MT82 trans. The MT82 is stronger than the Tremec 3160. The 3160 is definitely a better driving transmission but it’s not stronger. Keep in mind there are way more MT82’s out there and there are lots of people who drive mustangs within an inch of their life daily. I have a 17 GT making 700 HP. Car only has 32,000 miles but 17,000 of those miles are boosted. LOTS of Mexico runs, lots of roll racing. Lots of high paced mtn runs. Car has been amazing. Stock MT82 and stock clutch are doing well. I do have a Mantic Twin disk and MGW waiting to go in at some point. The only unscheduled repair my car has needed were wheel hubs on both sides.
sadly Ford didn't give us a ten speed or possibly 7 speed DCT option for the GT350. the ten speed 5.0 is the superior car but both are fantastic Mustangs with great motors.
Thanks for the comparison, the GT350 is unique as a purpose built S550. I don't track mine but knowing that is much more capable of anything that I will ever throw at it is an amazing feeling. I probably would have been just as happy with a Bullitt and it's 480HP, also with it's lack of spoilers and badging just adds to it's mystique considering it's own unique sound compared to the GT350...either way how could you go wrong.....
Honestly, the 5.0 is better in most aspects. Unless you take a 60k car to the track often (you are either rich or dumb), the 5.0 is a much better platform. It's cheaper, can handle a lot of power, has more torque down low etc etc. If I wanted a track car, I'd use the 20-30k I save and modify the GT to smoke anything. The GT350 is very cool still, but it ended for a reason.
Owner of an '18 GT350R here. In '19 participated in the Ford Performance Racing School in Tooele, Utah. To truly appreciate the capabilities of these cars, you need to experience what they can do on a track. Cornering ability and high rev power are absolutely astonishing. On the street you really can't use over 70% of what they are capable of. At least not if you value having a drivers' license!
Living in rural/suburban Georgia, I get about 71% of what it’s capable of on the street lol. Can’t wait to track my R at Road Atlanta or AMP
@@MStrange88 What color is ur gt350R?. Im looking to get mine wrapped in either dark grey w/ black stripe, grabber blue w/ black stripe or classic wimbledon white w/ blue stripe like the Heritage Edition. Just deciding on color is difficult on a car that looks great in every color!! 😮💨
@@USAScrewedunderBiden mines black with black stripes. My favorite color. I have some vids of it on my channel.
The GT350 is a great road course car. But the cross plane crank is not very good for drag/roll racing.
Was there as well in 2018. Asked the instructor how much faster the 350 is on the track compared to the GT. He said he would lap a GT in the 350 in a handful of laps because of the brakes and suspension and the little extra HP.
I owned a 17GT pp1 and currently own a 19gt350. Both cars are fantastic in their own way. But they drive completely different. The GT is a great street car but if you’re planning on hitting the track on the weekends you want the 350. If you find the 350 underwhelming it’s because you should be driving 1 gear lower than you are. The real power is after 4500 which is another reason why it’s a drivers car. Keep your rpm’s up and you won’t be disappointed. If you’re still reading this have a good day and accomplish your goals
This is perhaps the most comprehensive guide or video done on the gt350. From a perspective buyer, this was really helpful. Thank you so much !
I had my Gen 1 Voodoo motor replaced for burning a quart every 300-500 miles. Did three separate oil consumption tests to verify, and it was decided I'd get a brand new Gen 2 motor. After some time spent in the shop and a very careful engine break-in period, everything is smooth sailing and have not consumed a drop of oil in 1500 miles
Glad to hear your burning issue was resolved with the new engine but to state your not burning a drop of oil is a little off lol, you do have some oil consumption whether your seeing it at the stick or not, it's totally normal and expected for these engines to consume a little bit even when in top notch shape. But glad you got yours fixed rite.
This was by far the best comparison video and in depth explanation of differences between these car models. Thank you! Really well done 👍!
I do prefer my GT350 but both can be great. The GT350 sounds better, performs better on the track and is more special.
Yes it's more expensive
@@Violator420 Mach 1 with the PP is more expensive my guy.
@@_SeeYouSpaceCowboy good to know
I'm not a fan of the stock exhaust sound. A lot of people are fans though...
The GT 350... A great car to go to church with... Excellent informative video
Thanks for the review! I appreciate that you took the time to outline the main differences between the 5.0 (GT, Mach 1, etc) and the GR350/GT350R. Good use of extra diagrams like the Magnaride pic(s), and the butterfly valve pic with the active exhaust.
Most comprehensive review on the gt350. Hats off!
WOW, VERY through in depth info on the GT350, very well said, this guy knows what he is talking about, this is coming from a guy-me who owns a GT350. Everything he said was spot on except the magneride, you can lower the car with specific coil springs that work perfectly fine with the magneride.
Been a Mustang guy for almost 30 years. Either platform is gonna be great. That being said, I love my GT350 more than any other performance car I've owned. Definitely my forever car.
One of the best comparison and review video I’ve watched, thank you very much 👍
As the owner of 2019 PP1, I'm extremely happy with the value for the money.
If you care about drag racing and boosting.. then 5.0 10AT all day.. if you want something special and want to keep stock.. GT350 all day.
Boosting a 350 isn’t a bad idea, can make 800 on 10 psi pretty reliably with stock twin pumps and e85. Just need to upgrade the injectors.
@@dropoutdrivez2667 I wouldn’t do it…5.2 Voodoo engines aren’t really meant to be boosted but remain NA.
@@mikehughes8023 Ford stated that the 2019 and 2020 uses the predator block and can handle up to 12 psi of boost. 10 psi is somewhat conservative relatively speaking. You don’t see too many boosted 350s and even less boosted failures
You lost me at the 10-speed buddy not f****** doing that, I want to feel every damn ounce of power through them gear shifts
@@SlvrWlf88 he said if you want something strictly for drag racing and boosting. The 10A will outshift you every time. Theyre still feeling those shift boy
Good video! I actually have been seeing low mileage 2019-2020 GT 350s dipping below $60k recently.
I've been looking around at prices for GT350s lately too. With interest rates going through the roof, and gasoline still pretty high, dealerships want to get rid of these types of cars more quickly than before. The average person looking to spend $70k on a vehicle isn't shopping for what's basically a 2-seater sports car. They're looking for a $70k SUV instead, and dealers know that the SUV will sell faster than the sports car.
That's when ya grab a super nice one! -NY
@@Biltware Yes..that's when ya snag one of these incredible sports cars & tuck it away in the garage! 👍🏻
I just found a 19 w 35k for 58
This man knows his Mustang stuff. I know because I own a GT350R. Great video.
You’re crushing it with these videos! Keep it up dude!
That color is SICK on your Shelby man. I considered the 350, as well as the GT but I wound up with a Chevy, hahaha! I got a hell of a great deal on my SS 1LE, and I enjoyed the low end torque. Still keeping my eyes open for a Gt 350, can't help but loving that car for the voodoo but I think I made a Damn good choice in the meantime. Great video bub. Thanks
Key maintenance tip with a flat plane crank engine that revs high: Check and tighten every bolt to spec on the engine every 6-12 months...depending on usage (miles and high-rev-time) These flat-plane crank engines vibrate a lot more than the cross-plane engines and tend to shake everything loose.
Excellent video, you nailed it on all of the differences between the Shelby and 5.0 + characteristics that make the Shelby special. Love my 350!!
Ford though they had the high displacement flat-plane V8 crown until team Corvette came along with the LT6 and took a giant dump on ‘em. It’s a good example of taking an existing cross-plane engine architecture and trying to make it flat plane vs. designing a flat plane V8 from the ground up. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Voodoo and I’m absolutely glad that Ford built it, but it’s not in the same league as the LT6. It’s a damn shame that we’ll never see the sixth gen Camaro Z28 with the LT6 and manual trans that was planned at one point.
It's not in The same league as my 7 liter. I walk these on the street. Is what it is
350 will always be my dream car
2014 shelby gt 500 is mine lol
Excellent run down and everything out of ur head u really did awesome thank u from my heart blessings to u ⭐️
Thanks bro'. I own an '18 GT350. I thought I knew everything youtube had to teach about the GT350 but you taught me a couple things I didn't know. I had always been a little fearful about blowing the engine because of the internet horror stories so was glad to hear that this is primarily related to low engine oil levels. I have been and will continue to keep on top of those levels so that I can drive this car without worry!
The only regret I have about the car is not getting the R.
If you wanted to transition to an R, now is a pretty good time as prices have come down considerably.
Add wheels, slightly higher front spring rate, you got an R! Oh, take rear seat out,
This really informed me with mustang knowledge I did not know about the 350/R's thanks for this video! Take my sub and likes!
I own both, a ‘19 GT350 and a ‘16 Shelby Hertz with started out as a GT. The Hertz is an auto and the GT350 is a 6spd. Both are very different in their own ways. The Hertz is a little more zippy from 0-30, but the 350 pulls much better from 50-100. I like the interior of the Hertz better. Both are fun.
Thanks for the detailed comparison review. This is the video i was looking for.
Great video. Lot of info i didnt know about my gt350.
Great info man. You killed it on info. Thanks for the awesome video
Love the video. I have a '22 GT. Love it. I'm going to add upgrades to mine and, basically, put my favorite parts from the Mach and GT350. Cold air intake? Check. H-pipes with resonator delete and Active exhaust? check. MagnaRide lowering kit? check. That gorgeous rear wing. hell yeah. Very complete review. Thanks and you've got a gorgeous car there.
I love my mach1 it is a automatic, it is very fun car , it is not the fastest car on the planet ,,the Perfomsnce to me is out of this world not as good as your GT350r but close enough for what I do ,, over all I love the mach1 ,, it does everything I want it to do & more ,, it may not have all the bells & whistles because it is a automatic,, but very fun very capable car for track days or drag racing over all for me it was a great fit for me ,,, love your video awesome job
The GT350 is overall a more capable vehicle and has the performance to back it up. And that engine is way too much fun.
Whoa super hot take
It is but it’s also significantly more expensive than a GT, also with the aftermarket support for the S550 you can easily make a GT handle as well as a GT350.
@@nickjackson4683 the shelby will also hold its value more in the long run as well as being more a bit more special then your everyday GT
@@cdcnd4spd13 definitely, its a much more collectible and sought after car. The GT is the bang for buck, the 350 is a perfected S550 where less corners were cut.
The choice to put a ferrari-type flat-plane crank into a ford mustang so it burbles and gurgles and sputters like a drunk bullfrog was absolute genius - thank you Ford!
Your mustang knowledge is impressive. I like that u pointed out the 5.0 has better low end torque. I actually kept the stock intake manifold on my s550 for that reason and it was a daily driver not tracked.
Nice informative video! 2017 GT 350 owner, love the car on winding roads.
I pretty much went through these decisions back in 18 where I had found a GT350 in the color I wanted and the dealer was willing to let it go for sticker but the oil consumption issues bothered me so I went with a GT premium PP1 6 speed and am happy with my decision since I don’t track it. I have no problems with the MT-82.
The gt consumes oil too lol
@@Shiftnlift Not like the Gt350. Ford has had to replace a lot of engines because of oil consumption. I’ve had 4 coyotes and none of them consumed more than a half a quart over 4,000 miles.
@scottyV1000 I've owned 4 myself.. my last 1 my 18 gtpp1 consumed probably around 1 quart every 1000 miles. Gen 3 coyotes definitely do and it's based off the gt350 motor. I actually messed up my motor due to it. After seeing this a buddy of mines checked his and sure enough his was consuming oil as well. Took it to dealership took it apart ford says it's normal I can upload the statement if u like lol that's why the 18 and up hold 10 quarts of oil just like the 350 does ford knows this
@@Shiftnlift I have two gen 3s, My 18 Mustang is using very little and my 22 F150 hasn’t used any in 2,500 miles. I’m checking that one every 500 miles because the previous generation of F150s had a problem and I don’t know if Ford’s fixes worked but so far so good. I had a 14 GT that didn’t use a drop and a 2015 F150 that used the most about a half a quart in 4,000 miles.
@scottyV1000 yea man I had a 13gt myself no oil consumption issues. But I think driving characteristics play a roll too. When you rev them high is when they burn oil. I used to smell mines lol. My 18pp1 was a manual so I did rev it out more before shifting. My current one is a 18 10r80 I think that transmission shifting limits it more just my opinion
Excellent breakdown.
I love my Shelby to death. Amazing driving experience each and every time. Would not sell her or trade her for any other car. IMO
i have no clue why i love the mustang gt350R’s performance, reliability, and style so much more than their chevorlet camero “competition”
Finally, someone gets it. Well done
Very nice job on your video,
when I bought my 2020 GT went with the level 1 and a Roush supercharger stage 2 from Ford if I was going to track it would have got the 350
**If you are considering buying a 350, you need to watch this entire video. **
There's a lot of valuable information here.
Great job! Well done and informative, and presented quickly and very thoroughly. You packed a lot of good and pertinent information in 20 minutes.
I"ve got a GT350 and know everything that you say, but I still watched all the way through.
THe clutch pedal on my 2018 Ruby REd Stripe delete GT350 keeps getting stuck and only coming half way back up. Any ideas?
@@71torinoman I actually do have really thick rubber mats...that must be it, thx!
what makes flat-plane V8 special compared to the x-plane ? pros and cons among them ? (i'm new to stangs' world and looking around for one for daily use)
I have a 2019 GT350. Awesome car!
Amazing video thank you so much. Now I know what my next car will be.
You can really tell the sound of a GT350. This girl at my old job drove one. Omg every time she would drive by the building it was like a serenade. I would love to get a new Mach 1 at some point but 65k is out of my reach right now. Guess I will just make due with my grabber blue 2010 GT500 and my triple yellow 2016 GT premium 5.0 convertible with the old 6 speed automatic transmission. Being on a budget I purchased these both as one previous owner cars. Picked up the 2010 GT 500 back in 2012 with only 14k miles for 42 grand. Just recently got the 2016 5.0 convertible with 21k miles for 36 grand. Thanks for the great information. For me it would be a new Mach 1. There is a loaded one sitting in the show room at my local Ford dealer. I think the sticker is about 65 grand.
The gen 3 coyote has a 7400 redline and from my perspective has plenty of power at the top end. I bought my slightly used 2019GT vert with an A10, performance exhaust, 401A, and 3.55 gears for a sweet price before the price madness. My issue with the GT350 is that they never made available the digital gauge cluster. For the price they were charging, that’s a big omission.
I think the analog gauges are cooler especially the unique 200 mph gauges these had. I'm not into all this digital here screen there tech they're stuffing into cars these days. I'm not trying to get a BMW or Cadillac I want a race bred special mustang that is a true drivers car in every sense of the word and the gt350 checks all the boxes. The fact it has the 200 mph analog gauges is a plus in my book. 7400 rpm is significantly lower than 8250 that is why he said it's considerably higher than any of the 5.0s which is true. An a10 gt is a super common car that is everywhere a gt350 is special and unique in every way and looks wise its far superior stock vs stock.
@@user-bd8oq3cy2q the Corvette 3KT trims get the goodies because they are charging a price premium. 2018 and up 350’s should have came with the digital cluster full stop. They the digital gauge cluster in the GT500. Ford decided to cheap out and not spend any money on a design change for a short lived model run.
When it comes to the GT350, the cool factor is off the charts, but when it comes to price, its cheaper to get a GT and upgrade the suspension and throw on a blower than it is to buy a GT350. You also don't have to deal with the oil consumption issues. Sure, the MT82 might not be as good, but it can be upgraded if needed. I think the GT350 is a great car if you want to leave it stock and just want a car that's faster than the GT out of the box and you're willing to constantly watch the oil/buy oil for it and refill it. I feel the same way about the Mach 1, minus the oil issue. The GT is just the perfect modder's car. Its a canvas. the Mach 1/Bullitt/GT350 are cars best left alone so they'll be worth a fortune one day because they're a special limited trim level.
The gen 2 voodoo didn't seem to have oil consumption problems nearly as much. The gt350 is just an awesome looking and performing car that is a true drivers car in every sense of the word. It's a good car if you want a good base for an na beast and don't want to mess with suspension alot. Maybe do some lowering springs and call it a day. They're truly special cars. This is the last one Ford really got it right on they been swinging and missing in my eyes the past few years. You can clearly tell the company has different people at the top vs 8-10+ years ago.
Also imo Mach 1 and bullit really aren't that special. Everyone has an opinion and I respect yours I just don't think those cars are special like a gt350 is. The older svt and Ford performance cars just got it right. Bullit and Mach 1 are basically glorified gts.
So is it true a Mach1 with the handling package beat a Shelby GT350 on the track but with an auto? Only asking 'cause I own a 2021 Mach1 with the Handling Package and the Tremec and honestly love it! Haha, Sorry I couldn't resist guys but in all seriousness I have mass respect for anything with the Shelby name on it as well as 5.0s, if I had the money I'd be in a GT500. I've owned a few including a really nice '73 Mach1 so I'm probably biased. Great video!
My daughter just purchased a 2011 CS, I need to research to see if there are is anything different other than wheels and badging.
Gt350 for a collector/weekend toy. 5.0 for everything else, only thing that would scare me about the 350 is the oil consumption issues and cooling issues. Few friends of mine had a 17/18 and both had issues with oil consumption issues. Coyote motor is not cheap to replace but the voodoo is ridiculously expensive to replace
2019-2020 gen2 engine fixed these issues
17 here zero issues
I thought if they had those issues. Ford would replace the engine with the gen 2
@@DatNinjaGuyD they might of did that. Me personally, I would jump into the gen 2 voodoo if I was going into a gt350
@@zeuscasey this...
I have read that the 2020 gt350 has some different suspension vs earlier years. Something about the gt500 knuckles. I also found that the front caliper bolts are different. Still trying to figure out differences on the 2020 gt350. One thing about carbon fiber wheels - longer wheel studs from the factory.
Composite front end? Oil cooler? Chassis differences?
Great Review and Comparison!!!
I’ve been puzzled reading in forums when people are debating getting a either a GT PP2 or a GT350. I think that the GT350 will hold its value better and it doesn’t have the unreliable 6 speed in it. Maybe the insurance for the GT350 is higher though?
Like your review. Please note, there was increase in power thru software upgrade on lower RPM starting with 2019 models. My 2019 GT350 picking up power faster in low RPM compare to 2018.
Interesting...I have a 16 gt350
Excellent video!! L0658 here!!
Which year of the 350 is the one to get?
You can buy a base 5.0 and put every single gt350R piece on your Gt cheaper then spending the extra $$$ And buying the 350/R Regularly All the R goodies will bolt right up to a gt. You really can’t beat a Gt for the price!! plus u get the low end torque!!
For the 60k price of a shelby gt 350 you can get a 2019 mustang gt PP 1 buy a supercharger from vmp buy a borla attack catback with x pipe and it would be alot faster than the shebly gt 350 526 hp vs 830 HP tuned by palm beach dyno
Well done. One one error. The Cup 2s on the 19 20s are not the same as the R cup 2s
Well done Sir !!! Outstanding .... I can tell you my 2020 has no oil issues ... drove from Northern Ontario Canada to Rhode Island (800 miles) for 13 hours straight and drive her like she should and not a drop of oil missing, prior to using Amsoil ... What do you use for Transmission oil? Amsoil or Ford? Thank you Sir
Which one do you think is a better buy- the new Mustang Dark Horse manual OR the new 2023 M2 manual? Just for street use not track focused driving anticipated. Interested in your educated opinion. Both cars will start in low $60’s.
both will be fun to drive. bmw will be more sophisticated but have higher maintenance/repair costs. dark horse will be a bigger car but will probably have a better power band. can't go wrong but you will be fighting big dealer mark ups on both cars.
If you wanna mod it with added hp mods don't go with the new mustang it's locked down with over the air updates and is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to tune outside of cookie cutter Ford approved tunes.
You said AFTER 17 the track pack was standard, but it was after the 2016 Model year that the track pack was standard. I know since I have a 17 GT350 when that became standard.
The GT350 is my favorite modern Mustang. I think it’s also one of the best looking modern cars on the road. The A10 GT is a great performance bargain as well but the owners usually think they are the fastest cars in the universe.
I know it's super annoying and they beat their chest like they did something special when it's the car and tuner doing all the work a monkey could drive that fast lol. So cringe and predictable. If you want a true drivers car gt350 all day.
True enthusiast. Thank you.
Can you do a gt500 5.8 vs the new gt500…or even a gt500 5.8 vs a coyote 5.0.
ill look into it for next year
Can the rear end gears be changed? Possible 3:70 or 3:90 gears?
I’m sure it can
I drove the GT350 it was great and felt special. However I much preferred the mach1. Having the low end torque going from 1500 ish rpm up to 3 k'ish was sooo much better. The GT350 just lugged so going from normal driving to trying to change lanes/pass was just horrible.
Track wise, since I'm not a pro, I really don't think I'd go any faster in the GT350. Maybe an advanced driver would be faster but for me I'm just not. So since Mach 1 has all the track "goodies" the GT350 has but also low end I chose the Mach 1
Down side is the GT350 felt and sounded special for everyday driving. The Mach 1 feels just like a 5.0 until you start to push it.
The low end torque at low RPM is a significant consideration depending on your driving style. Even my Coyote based "Roadrunner" engine in my 2013 Boss 302 with 444 HP stock and 3:73 LSD Torsen rear end (again stock) seems like it has no low end compared to my much smaller Porsche 981 S 3.4L engine. The 981 just has this pull that you can feel pushing you back in the seat. Even in higher gears. I'm still not really sure how Porsche does that but I do like that feeling and style of driving. The Laguna Seca encourages me to drive like a maniac and I can't resist. Yes, it's amazing in it's own way! So if the GT350 is even weaker at low RPM I don't think I'd like that.
@@flat6fever680 on the plus side you can downshift and have no lack of power, but that gets old when you're just trying to go like 3 mph faster to get in front of grandma.
Ford advertised that the R had 562hp. When the gen2 came out they stopped the claim.
Nice video
You forgot to mention the front fenders are wider and Aluminum. The suspension is different with different knuckles and are not interchangeable.
Plus the 350’s are limited production with hand assembled engines. These were not easily obtained and has dealer markups for years. I’ve had two 5.0’s, which were great, but the 350 feels special and like a completely different car. Hope to keep my 17 350 as long as possible.
A quart every 500 miles is more than the old RX7 rotaries would use.
I know lots of people with tuned turbocharged 4 cylinders that are under high stress with no oil consumption.
Do those engines have a problem, or is Ford recommending a light oil to meet government requirements?
great video, well explained and spot on for specs and the characteristics of the 350, own a 17 and love driving it....not daily but it's a unique pony
Gen 1 Coyote: 2011-14, Gen 2 Coyote: 2015-17, Gen 3 Coyote: 2018+
The Gen 3 Coyote had slightly larger displacement. Which gave it 30 more hp than the Gen 2.
The extremely slight displacement change didn't give it 30 hp on its own lol. It had 1 point higher compression, dual fuel, better intake with higher redline, better cams and higher flowing heads. Just the very small displacement change of like 5 cubic inches isn't gonna make that much difference it was all those things together.
I just ordered a 2018 GT350 with 30,000 now I'm worried the previous owner dumped it after not keeping up with the oil consumption. Anyway to easily tell on delivery/inspection?
Not really. Oil analysis might tell you if their is abnormal wear.
why spend that much when a small amount of mods can beat a gt350 easily
Excellent video...Thank you
Custom exhaust is the last mod. Or should be..stock exhaust manifolds are really good. Tires, get rid of all the rubber bushings, way better use of cash.
i love my GT350, i want a GT350R next. i do have the Gen 2 motor in mine which is GT350R motor
There are no GT350R motors. Period.
What issues did the 5.0 mustang gt have? I never heard of any. Was thinking of buying a 5.0 mustang.
engine ticks, oil leaks, spark plug/coil failures, egr valve issues, throttle body failures. nothing earth shattering but stuff to look for. figure out what years/generation you are looking at to narrow down the problems by year as some have been addressed.
@Enthusiasts Garage thank you. I never realized the 5.0 had those issues. Today, they want 52k for a 5.0, which is unbelievable. I really like the gt 350 with 6 speed transmission, but 70k and up is steep. Thank you for the great advice.
If you want reliability get the gen 3 coyote 10 speed. Got rid of the gt350 because of too many problems with the voodoos bro.
There also class action lawsuits on the gt 350 motor. Look it up
@@EnthusiastsGarage Looks like Quality Control. Ford does't check for any of the mentioned issues. And here's the funny thing. Fords going to build electric cars. HA HA HA
At least the Mustangs are still being updated for '24 w/a Gen7. *Even a new 486hp 5.0L Coyote engine. Good times* ! 👍🏻#04SVTCobra
Too bad tuning will be a nightmare and super limited not only that they will be able to see remotely if you've tampered with it far as mods and tuning.
How about comparing the GT350 to the Dark Horse?
Price difference in my country is around $120000 AUD between the 2 as 2nd hand vehicles......that's a lot of head room to modify your 17gt, thow in a calimer 1000hp trans, 5.2 voodoo built and supercharged, gt350r brake swap, and more.
Sub 150k, this is the car to have for me all day everyday. If you want a high revving, 500+ hp, manual transmission car, your only other option is the porsche gt3. Nobody is selling those for less than 150k especially the manual ones. For roughly 50k-60k for a good condition regular 350 and 70k-80k for a nice R, you can’t go wrong with this thing.
The GT350 motor was such a success that Ford has decided to never build a cross plane crank motor ever again. The IMSA race team thought it was such a great design they went and used a different one. Needless to say, at the end of the day the cross plane crank motor is great sounding, but durability wise it missed the mark which will leave it as a nice collectible novelty for enthusiasts seeking a fun street car.
Isn't voodoo the flat plane?
How to say you don’t know anything.
Welp...you helped me out tremendously. It will be the 2019 white blue stripe GT350 w/gen 5 whipple!!!
I wouldn't do it. Those engines are very flaky and expensive to replace. If you do buy one. Make sure you ask if the engine had been replaced under Ford warranty before.
They are notorious for having oil issues.
@@walk4348 the gen 2 voodoo is pretty solid they came in the 19 and 20. The earlier one was hit and miss.
5.0 good low end torque. 350 good mid to high.
only problem is you add power that 10speed starts to become no good at 700whp. Stock they have issues finding a gear. adding power they get worse. You are better with the 6speed auto if adding power and there are a few good things about the gen 3 coyote but you are still better off with a 2017 gen2 6 speed. 6 speed auto can be build and gets stock sealed 5.0 deeper into the 7s in the 1/4 than a 10 speed which Midnight performance one of the best builders of the 10r80 10spd end up having you start in 2nd gear and actually for real race applications get rid of some of the gears. Another mistake is ppl love the smooth feeling in the gt350 and swear its far more seperior to the 6spd manual in the mustang gt. Yes it feels better but when it comes to adding power you go somewhere like Calmer transmissions get a stage 2 or 3 build and the mt82 from the gt will handle tons of power when the gt350 trans goes to shit with power hence why ppl are going sequential or built mt82. Top builders like Aldoweld and midnight performance and top tuners like lund and PBD will agree with everything i said. Basically if you are staying stock the gt350 trans and 10spd auto in the gt are great . but the FPC Voodoo in the gt350 is amazing but the have a tendency to vibrate themselves to death and you will end up trading in because of this. Thats where mach 1 is great if keeping it stock you get the good trans but coyote. Gt500 only thing that holds it back is if you are a dragstrip guy ppl need to understand the dct in the gt500 was developed for roadcourse so it makes it bad at drag racing. hence why a stock sealed coyote can get into the 7s and a v8 f150 go 8s in the 1/4 but yet gt500 stock sealed can make 1200whp 1300whp but trans overtemp issues and slipping its hard to get mid 8s. impressive still. because 10k of mods get a gt500 into mid to low 9s with little upgrades. but getting into the 8s the trans will give you issues. they have done low 8s with stock dct but most running those times had to go with a turbo400 drag trans. so i say if you are traying to go fast go with a mustang gt. Stock special car go gt500 or gt350. But everyone loves upgrading
You can have your tremec built to handle power just like an mt82. You are correct that if you wanna boost gen 2 coyote is the best. The engine can handle just as much as gen 3 and the 6r80 is stouter than the 10r. All those gears aren't needed when you're making big power.
Thi takes me to back in the days, the mid 90's (96) when i purchased my first car, A Saleen s281 speedster edition. Since the fox body generation Saleen had taken the torche from Shelby and with the mustang accomplished much of the same goals both on and off the track. His mustang in the pro racing circuit was winners, and in endurance GT class racing their has to be road going versions of those race cars. And similar to Shelby Saleen made a business around tuned mustangs. But his 'tunes' were so far removed from normal factory stock mustangs that they were officially classified as Saleens, serialized and had the racing DNA to prove it. The difference between factory and saleens creations were night and day. if a blind man had the ability to drive there would be no relation between the performance levels of the factory mustang versus the various models of Saleens. Going from mild to wild. Saleens drove better than ferrari's with an equally good soundtrack. they were not designed to be drag racing mustangs but instead were focused on the track, turns and balance. everything the factory mustang was not. And as such since most people here in the states were not into endurance racing, could they readily understand the higher cost of such mustangs. more over in terms of tunning suspension many third party aftermarket vendors sold handling upgrade kits, that enabled them to improve on the factory mustang, but without actual track and racing knowledge most people simply got it all wrong. And thats were Saleen accelled. Long before Ford brought back the shelby name under its own banner Saleen had laid the path to that level of performance. Saleen did it decades prior. But Ford did their homework as well. For them it began with their Boss302 of 2013. And its laguna seca edition. Ford using the same techniques as Saleen to solve the issues of the mustangs live rear axel. nutralizing its wayward ways. And with their Parnelli Jones eddition doubled down on the steering. But Ford also had one more trick, A trick that actually came from the GM camp side of things.. The magne-ride suspension upgrade for the Shelby GT 350. This made a cow dance like a gazzel around a track slowing down its dive and roll making a heavy car stiff and as nimble as a light weight sports car. And then they did something that quite of few mustang enthusiats had long wanted to see employed into the mustang... the use of a Flat plane crank. many articles were written about this, especially when comparisons were made with Ford modular 4.6 and Ferrari's 4.6 , what exactly separated the two. Ironically this much better performing engine layout was well known by Ford engineers for decades, as it was a common use for smaller displacement european engines. Their thought was that americans wanted displacement, not revs to produce power. That we wanted all our power down low in the revs making it good for dragracing and power off the line. This idea stuck, until the GT350 Fords new engineers broke from tradition, and everything that the engineers strayed from prior, they were set to execute and they did, They brought back the Shelby name, Made the FordGT, and took factory Ford back to Lemans. only thing one person did it with mustang and his own creation prior. Saleen. little known fact is that the same year the mclaren F1 debuted at lemans was also the same year Saleen RRR ran two of his racing mustangs. and but a few years later saw one of his S7' supercars win its class in the last GT1 class for lemans. Ford was going back to racing and their performance lineup all gained from that goal. So.... having long diverted from this video topic. is the Shelby GT350 worth it over a normal mustang? well in all due respect the normal mustang is a great car. but its not a Shelby GT350. and those little details in peformance amount to a vast difference in driving passion. This is the last generation of combustion performance sports cars from ford, eventually things will go electric. and no electric car will have the same passion as the beast that drinks and consumes fuel to live.
I just want to put a Voodoo in my S197. Unfortunate that these awesome engines were put in such a sub-par exterior design.
TheGT 350R, is probably the Best all around Mustang Ever Built!
As a GT350 owner I will add that the body lines and stance make it a clear winner. The sound is icing on the cake. Both are better than the GT.
For the 60k price of a shelby gt 350 you can get a 2019 mustang gt PP 1 buy a supercharger from vmp buy a borla attack catback with x pipe and it would be alot faster than the shebly gt 350 526 hp vs 830 HP tuned by palm beach dyno
You talked about the internet overhyping the problems with the voodoo motor. That’s also true about the MT82 trans.
The MT82 is stronger than the Tremec 3160. The 3160 is definitely a better driving transmission but it’s not stronger. Keep in mind there are way more MT82’s out there and there are lots of people who drive mustangs within an inch of their life daily.
I have a 17 GT making 700 HP. Car only has 32,000 miles but 17,000 of those miles are boosted. LOTS of Mexico runs, lots of roll racing. Lots of high paced mtn runs. Car has been amazing. Stock MT82 and stock clutch are doing well. I do have a Mantic Twin disk and MGW waiting to go in at some point.
The only unscheduled repair my car has needed were wheel hubs on both sides.
The 5.0 consumes a lot of oil as well. A quart every 1000 miles. It's because they rev over 7 thousand.
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sadly Ford didn't give us a ten speed or possibly 7 speed DCT option for the GT350. the ten speed 5.0 is the superior car but both are fantastic Mustangs with great motors.
Thanks for the comparison, the GT350 is unique as a purpose built S550. I don't track mine but knowing that is much more capable of anything that I will ever throw at it is an amazing feeling. I probably would have been just as happy with a Bullitt and it's 480HP, also with it's lack of spoilers and badging just adds to it's mystique considering it's own unique sound compared to the GT350...either way how could you go wrong.....
No comparison and I’ve had a PP2 Mustang gt it was amazing... then I stepped into my GT350 lights out no choice and I daily it !
Wait your 350 came outside? 😲
Honestly, the 5.0 is better in most aspects. Unless you take a 60k car to the track often (you are either rich or dumb), the 5.0 is a much better platform. It's cheaper, can handle a lot of power, has more torque down low etc etc. If I wanted a track car, I'd use the 20-30k I save and modify the GT to smoke anything. The GT350 is very cool still, but it ended for a reason.
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Bro, the entire car is different, hence why it’s way more special.