Is a Used Shelby GT350 a better buy than a new Mach 1? Know this before buying!!
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- I give you my thoughts on the Shelby GT350 Mustang and if it's worth buying over the new Mach1. The Shelby is a fantastic car to drive but it does have some things to be wary of. Which car would you choose?
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Just a few things. The heated/cooled sport seats are upgrades over the Recaros. Recaros came standard and the sport seats were optional. The oil filter "issue" was solved in the early run of the 17 model year. Ford switched to a canister style system to alleviate that problem. The issue stemmed from engine harmonics vibrating the spin on filters off the mount if they weren't torqued to 18-20 lbft. Ford sent owners of the earlier cars the appropriate filter wrench for their cars which needed simply a torque wrench to install the filter correctly. You can install the newer canister style housing on the earlier cars if you wish. Ford made upgrade kits to do it that are still available.
The engine issues. It's a hand built "track" engine in a street car. They were never meant to be a jump in and rev to the moon engine. They simply won't last if treated that way. They have to be completely warmed up to temp before putting any RPMs on them. Can't count the number of times I've seen a YTber or idiot at a car meet let the engine sit till cold then jump in and rev them to the moon. That's not great for an assembly line engine, never mind the Voodoos. And people wonder why they let go. Oil consumption, see what I just wrote. Not saying there weren't issues with some of them, of course there were. Some were built on Friday. You can say the same for just about any vehicle. There are crappy ones. Is what it is. You don't buy a GT350 and treat it like a GT. It's not a Coyote. The reason the Voodoo isn't really the best platform for boost is the compression. The Voodoo is 12:1 from the factory. 12:1 isn't a ratio anyone would pick for boost in a street motor. It'll work, but YMMV. The Voodoo engine itself is one of the big reasons the GT350 was laid to rest. And not because of issues with it's performance or reliability. The Voodoo engine couldn't be certified overseas due to emissions. The Coyote has been certified for years. The Mustang platform is a "world" platform and it made sense for Ford to discontinue the engine altogether and stick with the Coyote. I don't believe the new GT500 can be sold "On the lot" at a dealer overseas for the same reason. The GT500 engine is a Voodoo based engine but with the traditional cross-plane crank.
If treated properly the GT350 is as reliable as any other vehicle really. If you buy or own one, you just need to treat it a little differently in those first 10 minutes. Once it's warmed up, it's show time. Have at it. They're not street brawlers. My 705rwhp 13 GT500 was a street brawler. If you want a street brawler, like you mentioned, look elsewhere. If you want a car that will out handle most everything on the street and cars that cost 2-3x more as well, with brakes that will suck your eyeballs out, with a sound that you can't find anywhere else but from a GT350, then it's your car. If you want a fancy Coyote with bits and pieces from the GT350 and GT500, and you like the looks and perceived "reliability" of the Mach, then that's your car.
You can't lose with either really. You just have to know that the Shelby has some quirks you must accept in order to be happy with it long term. You don't have those same quirks with the Mach but in the end, it's a Mach. Not a Shelby. Depends on your motivations. :)
what do you mean Perceived "reliability" Its been proven coyotes are EXTREMELY strong engines. World record manual transmission car is a Coyote mustang. That being said the voodoo is not a different engine its still a coyote. It has a flat plane crank. the issues i know of are the rod bearings were too small and spun the bearings. You cant sell a street car as a street car and claim oh its a race car you have to warm it up ect. Then dont sell it as a street car. That out the way, Im so sad that they axed the motor. Its one of the coolest sounding motors ever.
Your absolutely right. 13/14 gt500s are absolute street brawlers.
And the GT350 looks better. Front/rear fenders, hood, grill. It's special. Nothing against the Mach1, but looks wise it's pretty much just a GT with some badging. The 350 has different metal. I daily drive mine probably about 3 days a week with zero problems.
@@DragNetJoe the mach 1 is a gt350 with different aero and a gt coyote engine. same suspension as the gt350r and the same chassis and mostly same interior.
@@sariahreigns3666 The GT350 has different metal. It's more than just the aero. The front and rear fenders and hood are different also. Does the Mach 1 have the extra oil and transmission coolers (I don't know)?
350 looks nicer, more exotic and will age like wine. BUT, it had its issues. Mach 1 is definitely the more reliable drivers car. And still looks good.
Had a 350R as my daily for a couple of years. Absolutely amazing car and turned a lot of heads. Issues on these seem hit or miss, mine had minimal oil consumption and ran like a champ.
do you happen to know if yours was a gen 1 or gen 2 motor?
My 2018 engine exploded at 6k miles, threw all the rods out but had 100+ psi oil pressure.. ford bought it back no questions and I bought a 18k mile 2017 grabber blue and haven't had a single problem. Oil consumption is about a quart per 2k miles? Seems fine to me!
@@catlyst8563 Mine was an 18 which I believe was still a Gen 1 but had the cartridge filter vs the spin on that the earlier ones had issues w/
My 2018 has 21k miles with 2 track days and has been flawless. Love the thing
Most insane car from America besides the new Z06.
Getting a gt350 with Gen2 motor solved many of the issues including getting the upgraded parts that they now use in the Gt500 motor. No one has a perfect engine without issues. As for boosting it, only needs a few modifications that you have done on your coyote. A Gt350 is meant to be N/A
In the market and the 19-plus GT350 seems to be the sweet spot. They're still MSRP, which is still a relative bargain for what it is.
The Soundtrack of the GT350/R can’t be beat... The issues with the Voodoo are hit and miss! Mine has been Flawless! 🤙🤙😎
Same here man.
Same 22k miles on my 2018
@@amac8487. Nice Aaron! 🤙🤙🐍🐍🐍
37k miles on my 2017. Runs hard every time I drive it. I always check the oil and watch the oil pressure. They’re great motors. Unlike any other V8 I’ve driven
The Shelby GT350 will go down as one of the best driver's cars ever to come out of America. Watch CJ Pony parts UA-cam video on 350 vs 500. 90% of people would pick the Gt350 over the 500 for what the 350 is. As a collector, the GT350 is what people are gonna be lusting after. Mach 1 great car, just missing the Magic that Voodoo has, regardless if the hype of failures. The Mach 1 in the end is just a modified 5.0.. It will never reach it...
It's a loaded gt with a decal package and hand me down parts. Its nowhere near as cool as a gt350 imo.
@@midnight347 not nearly as cool but effectively just as fast if not faster, if you're buying to drive and enjoy it's an interesting comparison
Love my 2019 GT350. Absolute beast. Handling, comfort and looks are just flat out on another level!! Gen 2 Voodoo motor is the 350r motors with all the coolers. Shelby hands down!
Do 18s have the Gen 2? I heard that some of them have it?
I do agree with you, the Mustang GT350 is definitely better than the new Mach 1. Love your videos Racer X very informative.
I’d definitely get the Shelby for the snake alone. Shelby always holds value much better than the other Mustang trims. I’m still debating if I want one of these.
I really wish I could have been able to purchase a 350R when they came out. Absolutely an amazing car.
Just bought my 2020 GT350 techpack car a few months ago, almost the same spec you are showing in the video. So far, it's been amazing! Fast, comfy when needed, very sticky. Vert track capable.
Glad your enjoying the car my friend
Well said... I have a 2018 Shelby GT350 and actually spun a rod at Road Atlanta 7 weeks ago. My car has 30,000 miles on it with 95% of those miles being on track. Ford stepped up and replaced my motor under warranty so I now have the V2 Voodoo motor. I have a 1000 mile break in period and I'm halfway there. I can't wait to be able to get on it again once I hit 1001 miles. Thanks for the video RacerX!
Yea, I run a lot of HPDEs. The issues with the GT350 show up every HPDE I attend with the Mustang clubs where somebody has issues. I know folks who lost motors and one buddy has a GT350 with 80K miles on it (!!) and he has a ton of HPDEs. His only issue is the oil filter backing off. I have some buddies with zero issues on an R and std GT350. I guess it's a crap shoot.
For daily driving: bad turning radius, tram lining on even roads, slow warm up, gas tank meant for an Eco Boost, and the worst…the gearing. It’s a 5-speed with a huge overdrive 6th that I personally only use above 70 mph. Mine is a 2018.
Gt350 are a hidden gems right now and gonna be very desirable in the future
One of my favorite cars of all time. Hands down my pick for anything south of $150k. And certainly my favorite car that I may just have the slightest possibility of getting myself into.
I had my 2011 GT500 out last night first time in a long time. The sound of my super charger my borla exhaust together and the grip of my super car 3 tires and the launch you feel when you step on it in second gear or third it is like a streamline super fast roller coaster at Disneyland that you can ride all day if you want and the fun just never stops.
Yes, I have been waiting for this one, This is in my wheel freaking house. This is my favorite Mustang out of all of them.Just can't afford them, and love that dark blue, my favorate color on a mustang.
Man Racer X you got me wanting one so bad, and the fact they only come 6 speed manual is why i truly want one of these badass cars. Man thanks for this one really enjoyed it bud.
Thanks for the great content RacerX, gt350's are about 8/9k over what they should be..I was in the market for one about a year ago and should've pulled the trigger then..Most of the problems were with the 2016's..
GT350 all day, no question here. we can come back to this in 10-20-30 years and we will see the Shelby's hold onto their value 100x better.
Yessir those Voodoo Motors sound amazing!! Great upload X!!
Thanks buddy
I`ll preface my comment with saying, I am not a Ford guy...at all. I owned one once for about 4 months. A 2000 F150 4x4 with the 4.7 Triton V8 brand new. Starter went at 800 kms. Rear main seal had to be replaced at 2700 kms and again at 12,000 kms. It was in the shop more than on the road. That said, the Voodoo platform has too many issues. If I had to choose between the new Mach 1 and the GT350, I would go with the reliability of the Mach1 with the 6 speed Tremec. (I currently own a 2021 Challenger 392 T/A 6 speed Tremec...and pulled an 11.94 with it at the track, bone stock. If you know how to power shift well, having a manual is not necessarily a disadvantage even against today`s auto transmissions). This all said, I do love the exhaust note of the 350 and a Shelby is a Shelby. They are special cars.
I’ve heard of people having issues with their voodoo motors, but I’ve honestly had nothing happen to me. I even daily drove mine for a year and a half when I bought the car. Mine’s a Gen 1 also. They’re solid motors, you just have to check the oil, let it warm up before you go high rpm, and watch the oil pressure. It’s worked well for me so far at almost 40k miles.
I’ve also seen several of them go boosted, and love it. Just keep in mind the high compression and use the right fuel. Trying to run 93 octane above low boost probably isn’t the best idea.
We bought a 2016 GT 350 with only 7000 miles on it 3 years ago. It's 2022 and now has 40000 on it, still low for that long. We don't really drive it to death, baby it like crazy. Ride a Vespa down the street to the store, leave Shelby in the garage. Car is insanely special. Feels like an invisible hand is pressing the car down on the road from above. And wow, what a sound!
I would say YES a GT350 is better than the Mach1. I think the Shelby will hold its value better also.
The 19-20 350’s have cartridge style oil filters along with many other motor upgrades to combat the issues the Gen 1 voodoo had.
The 2018 has the cartridge style filter too
Yes you'll pay a fat premium for 19-20
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks I faired pretty well getting my 19 just before the market went crazy for them. Got mine at the beginning of 2021.
@@MStrange88 that's great you did well! I've been selling all my vehicles left/right buying stocks/crypto. Likely 2024 I'll be back in something 🔥 hopefully C8Z or top trim S650 mustang
GT350's built after Feb 2017 received the cartridge style old filter. So both Gen1 and Gen 2 had that type of filter. Gen 2 do not seem any more reliable than Gen 1.
How much is that GT350? And yeah the Scat Pack Challeger widebody is a punch in the gut with that toqure and the Shelbys have always been good cars. Thanks for the info on cars again always enjoy learning and your great content 👍🏻.
2019 GT350 here. 6 different tracks, 10+ track days (3 of them in 110+ degree weather), 20+ canyon runs out here in California, 40,000+ miles and still going strong. Planning on taking her to Road America in Wisconsin and driving her back to California this summer.
I live in Wisconsin and still need to bring my 2018 to Road America. I'm going to put the ford catch cans on it then I might finally go.
@@RCXDerp Catch cans are a great idea...ive collected about a quarter of fluid in my passenger side catch can in the 40,000 miles ive driven it. I am going to the first track day in August at Road Americam hopefully see you there.
you the mann thank you for the videos
In 2019 ford made all the adjustments you mention in this video with the Gen 2 Voodoo thanks for sharing :)
I like the high RPMs of the Mustangs. I was a Honda kid with an 8400 RPM JSpec block and now have an M3, but I love seeing them 8s growling on the streets.
I just read that the new flat plane Z06 in testing, had the same problem with the oil filter backing off. Chevy decided to go with a cartridge type filter as a pre fix.
Love the video. I roll my window down every time next to a 350. I feel like thats a car that sits in the garage and a magic voice whispers in the air, Drive me! Really want a mach 1 but just don't think the price tag is called for on that car. Pretty much the same price as the 350 minus brembo on all 4, voodoo motor, and a shelby badge.
You are 100% accurate on the "drive me!" voice. 10 track days, 20+ canyon runs, and 40,000+ miles on my 19' GT350. I have to hide the keys from myself.
That's my favorite Mustang right there. There's just something special about that particular model.
I have a 350R with a replacement engine and runs great, no oil consumption now. Honestly it’s a great investment.
I’ve had my ‘19 GT350 over two years now as a daily driver. I still love the car; so much fun. Uses about half a quart of oil in between oil changes, most of it going to oil catch can. I won’t be selling anytime soon. The 2nd gen engine (19-20) apparently is much more bulletproof.
Viper owner here, woop woop! 🙌🏼 I'm looking at getting another Mustang. These seem to be maybe a better value.
Over time it’ll be seen that the Mach 1 will be the more reliable vehicle. Better handling and you can mod to out perform any Shelby..
I still own a 2017 GT350. Only issue was with the A/C. No oil consumption, not loose oil filter, nothing else. It's an awesome car!!
Awesome content
Too many issues with the voodoo platform. Got out of mine earlier than I wanted to but it was fun to drive, and there’s nothing like that exhaust note
Gen 2 Voodoos have stronger internals
What years was yours David?
@@cdmills252 2016
The newer ones aren't like that. I would Def take a gt350 over a mach 1 all day every day. A Mach 1 is a loaded gt with a decal package and hand me down parts from the gt350 like trans and suspension and stuff. Nowhere near as special. Doesn't look as good either imo.
@@midnight347 there have been documented engine failures with the 19 and 20 model year (Gen 2) as well. Some on the way home from the dealer after purchase. Including GT500’s. These engines are or were $25k to replace. I wouldn’t take that gamble out of warranty.
Love the 350. Just bought a 2022 Shelby GT500 Base Model, gets here this week. Would love to own a 350 down the road. Would be cool to have both the GT500 & GT350(R)
Got the markup on the GT500 down to $7k from $25k. Still BS, but kept the GT500 in the price range. Only reason for the huge markdown, a friend of the family is the Finance Manager. I got super lucky.
Really hope dealers stop with the insane markups.
Small world I bought me a new F150 last month them. That Ford GT is still in the show room floor
I have a Mustang GT 2019 performance premium all black. The GT 350 is my dream car.
Excellent video as always. I’d choose the Shelby if it had low miles. The Mach 1 is a nice vehicle nevertheless.
Ive had both. The Mach1 with the track pack is a better car and 6 speed. Almost identical track times, the difference is the 5.0 has superior reliability, and the 5.0 can be built to far more power. Its been updated, digital dash, better ride, car. The one thing the Shelby has is that sound. That is outstanding and the fact that it is a Shelby. A boost added to the Mach1 and you will be at GT 500 power.
Great to hear your opinion, since you have owned both! I looked at used GT350s and chose a new (2023) Mach1. They were basically the same price (within $3,000). I couldnt be happier with the feel, ride, speed, performance of the Mach1 ....but I still see GT350s and wonder if I settled? Glad to hear your opinion as it tells me I made a good choice (on a decision where there ARE no bad choices!)
@@OtisSpringerpilot if you could find a 2019, the 350 may be worth it. But with all the issues, the 5.0 will be the more reliable motor and has the capacity of more hp with forced induction. Enjoy!
Flat plane crank engines have vibration issues hence the cause of the oil filter backoffs....Chevrolet had the same problem when designing the new Z06 FPC
I have a 2019 GT350 in Ford Performance Blue with white stripes. It is a sick car. Bought it right before the pandemic shut down dealerships here in NY. The values are crazy right now and I'm considering selling it. I have 5,100 miles and cant find one on the internet for under 70k. Not sure if the values will go up much higher unless I keep it longer term. Any advice?
If your not using it, sell it. While the values may hold or go higher...the R's will be the ones highly sought after in the future.
I haven’t drove either vehicle but I think the GT350 is the one the I will go for, like you said a very special car.
Does ford warrantying the engine problems? the 350. Has ford put a re-call for the gt350?
I have a 2017 R. Love driving this rare beast. Can’t see letting it go. What would I replace it with? The only other car is a Porsche north of $150k. No issues with oil consumption. Best sounding exhaust system!!!
10000000000% better than a Mach 1 the voodoo platform is perfect it’s very accepting of mods and extremely fun in its stock form
Feel really lucky to have gotten my 2020 GT350 New for 5K UNDER sticker. Right place right time.
Hands down gt350. If only my wife would let me have one. Only car I haven’t own. That sound.
The oil filter is changed on later built 2017 and up 350s. The new design is a cartridge filter and not a spin on. It doesn’t back out.
Love the vid! Wish you had the MACH 1 next to the GT350 side by side comparison! We never got a cold start or no revs! Wanted to hear it rev to 7500rpm.
I'd rather hear it Rev to 8250 which is the gt350s stock redline.
@@midnight347true. I must’ve misheard him
GT350 was one of my dream car but I would still choose my Mach 1 over the GT350 just because of the spotty reliability of the voodoo engine .
Hardly spotty. Vert small percentage. Just regurgitated internet hype
@@poopscooper5038 I run HPDE's with a couple different Mustang clubs. Sadly it's not internet "hype". Now, some issues aren't gonna result in a blown motor, but when you're balls out on a track you don't have long before bad things happen.
I told a lot of people to get the 350 while It dropped. I forget when it dropped, but I remember seeing around 2018 the GT350's drop to sub 40k prices for cars with 20k miles or less... If you would have bought one, even a 2016, it would probably gain 10-20k in value since then. even if you drove it to 50k miles or more.
Just now I looked and found some 2016 350's w/ 10k miles for 60k, 2016 350 with 20k miles for 53k....
I honestly think if you get a good car, the 350's will only increase in price... and then there's the curb appeal, it's a shelby... park it next to an 18 mustang, and people will usually look at the shelby 9/10 .
That being said, the 18-23 5.0 are great.... boosted can make 900-1000 hp pretty easily, Now ... if only they would include forged rods in the S650... really stupid how they don't put forged rods in the gt500 too, it's 1-2k for essentially 1000hp capable engines and safe engines from the factory.
Ford really knows how to make a car!!! I like how after each drive you can pop your trunk and and take out a couple quarts to add to the engine oil as its already burned that amount. And like you said knowing your driving around a ticking time bomb as the vodoo engine is very prone to failure. Also I love that ford had a lighter less robust tremec transmission that can handle way less hp is so reassuring. Oh also the transmission over heats often!!! Ford has done it once again and made such a beautiful car with the worst possible drivetrain. Also there was a post above that stated the voodoo engine “was a hand built track engine ” as a excuse to the many issues they have. I call bull crap, look at a c5 z06 LS6. That was a track built engine and they have zero issues. Its just very rare can ford put out a good product any more plain and simple. Thank you Ford!!
I daily / track a 350. It's better looking, sounds better, and is all around more badass. As a daily, the mach1 is probably a better car. The 350 is really a track car and is geared like it. The FPC combined with the gearing means you will be revving your ass off everywhere you go which can get annoying.
I’ve tracked both n spanked more 350 guys w mach than vice versa. Crazy how no one talks abt the handling ability and downforce of the M1’s gurney flap n the sicknPS2’s (over the much smaller 295/305 on 350)
Now a 350R- diff animal
And how sounds is all personal preference. I think Mach in sport or track sounds Lot better- again- personal opinion
I love my 21 mach 1 6 speed w the handling package. Looks great, sounds awesome and in my opinion I think they underrated the hp. Thankfully I ordered it from a dealer that stuck with msrp and as long as they do that it's an amazing value. Nothing like driving a muscle car on a nice day with your 2 sons u turned into gearheads!🙂
Got over 23k miles on my 2017 GT350, bought it new and oil consumption is as stated in the manual. Thinking about a trade? Maybe. 🤔
Black gt350. Sick looking car
As an owner of a 2010 GT500 and also a 2016 5.0, I would pass on the GT350. Have seen several in the service shop pay getting new engines. I bought both of my mustangs pre-owned with a warranty. New Mach 1 for me if I was gonna lay out 65 grand.
I’m of the opinion, The Mach 1 has the better power down low and we know it to be a fact it is a better and faster overall car than the Gt350. Parts bend or not, it has All the Best parts.
Love love love my '17 GT350. Added Cup II tires and the rest is history. Always let it come up to temp properly and then enjoy the best Mustang ever produced. The End.
My wife and I bought a 2017 GT350 last year as a long-term investment. Some may question that strategy, which is fine, but certain cars do well over time (Shelbys are such. Look at prices of 65-66 GT350s vs any other Gen1 Mustang other than a Boss 429). Simply amazing car. If you want a daily driver get the Mach1, you will probably be able to live with it better, understanding its not in the same class as a GT350 or the new GT500. The 5.2L FPC makes it bespoke, they only made them for 5 years and they are already getting bought up and stored.
While I understand your decision, I truly do hope your are actually enjoying the car. This car does not deserve to be garaged and looked at, it deserves the open road!
@@kpxkrnkidx My car has 29K miles on it, so its not a low-mileage never drive it beauty queen. It does live in the garage and is not used for a daily or in the rain.
@@robertaugustine5350 excellent. Mine has 28k miles and is a weekender only. Honestly the most fun (if you push it can manage to push it hard around the bends)
I have a 2020 GT500. Hold or sell?
Great video Bro. I love the GT350. My concern would be replacement parts since everything on it for the most part is unique to it and it's now a discontinued model. Like you said, that's the only model using the NA Voodoo 5.2.
In the end it's just a coyote based engine. There isn't anything truly unique to it outside the crank. The heads are shared with the gt500 I believe and it is also a 5.2 just different crank. It's a coyote based engines so alot of parts work for both.
@@midnight347 It's not what I heard. The Voodoo is a whole different platform. Some parts might work for both, but a lot won't. 5.2 vs 5.0 means a lot of things won't fit right. It's an expensive gamble if you need replacement parts in the future.
@@thullraven1 what are you going to replace? It’s an s550 platform so every chassis part is the same as the GT/mach1.
@@cmdrdredd I'm talking about basic physics. Bigger displacement means bigger dimensions on the engine block and the internals will most likely be different dimensions as well. I'm not talking about the chassis.
@@midnight347 If what your saying is true I wouldn't have to pay a minimum of $1800 for headers while 5.0 owners can buy $700 ones. Granted, the GT350 does share a majority of its general parts with a PP2 mustang.
I would pick a voodoo over a new shelby gt 500 because its the ultimate naturally aspirated ford mustang gt! 350
Nothing Sounds better than the Flat plane Crank!!!
And only in a Manual!!!
Man's Car!!!
Shelby and its not even close. And these "issues" people are talking about or wayy overblown.
There's a all black one for sale where I'm drive by all time love it
I own a 20 GT350 and I will tell you that I have Zero issues with the voodoo engine. No oil consumption whatsoever and my god is this thing a blast to drive.
The GT350 years from now will be sought after by collectors unlike 99% other cars, including the Mach 1. Bottom line the GT350 will be remembered and talked about with its special motor years from now. The Mach 1, great car but nothing special
I wish I could afford one because I think it's going to be worth a ton in 20-30 years.
New sub ! Liked 🚀👍😀❤️
They went to cartridge filters in 2018.
I'd choose the Gt350...which I have, as my 10th Mustang! Special they are!
A lot of guys were racing the 2016’s without the track package and blowing the engines. Which is why they made track packs standard 2017 and up. Also, if you change the oil, you MUST torque the filter to 16-18 ft lbs. Don’t blame Ford for these guys not following simple instructions. As for my GT350, the only oil I lose is from wiping off the dipstick. Never loses oil and drives like a gem and I drive her hard. Not for sale but really get annoyed with the bad publicity these cars get.
What does having a track pack have anything to do with the engine blowing? The early engines had issues they resolved with the later gen 2 voodoo.
@@midnight347 no track pack means you have no oil cooler, no differential cooler, no transmission cooler.
This is my home dealership. Wonder if it is still there
Owner comment the only voodoo 5.2 that had filter issues was the 2016 build after 2016 the filter was converted to the internal cartridge just like gt500 oil filter. The other tip always let the engine warm to operating temperature oil must be 180 F or don't rev it wait be patient. The voodoo engine is designed loose on tolerance let it warm up tolerance come into spec at operating temp
Boss>gt350. I know the gt350 is a modern American ferrari. It's king. But for style and driving experience, you can't beat the boss. And I love the shelby when i had one. The mach 1 is cool too. A capable modern wonder just like shelby. But just lacks a bit of soul and tradition. Which is also a good thing when you think about. The gt350 was the rebirth of fords mustang
I owned both at the same time! My 2012 Boss with 85,000 trouble free miles was my go to car over my Oil burning 2017 Gt 350 with just 23,000 miles on it! The only advantage of the Gt350 was looks.
The answer is yes.
Bought a 21 mach, boosted Whipple Stage 2, very fun car, didn't buy the gt350 with Oil consumption issues that many people claim, otherwise I would've bought the Gt350. Either way. Mach 1 still an awesome car!
If you are going to buy a gt350 used you need to make sure the last owner was always checking the oil. They are known for burning up esp the early cars and they hold 10 quarts. Can’t run low and you are also supposed to keep the revs low until the shell really warms up to like 180. There’s stories of them blowing up. The regular gt Coyote is more reliable overall esp the gen 3
The voodoo plus the headlights on the gt350 are much more appealing
I paid $63k for a new 350R in 2019. Crazy these prices now.
Interesting car. Sounds awesome! If it wasn't plagued with critical problems, it would have been a serious contender to the Scat Pack. The "Voodoo" of the 392 is a bit stronger, IMO.
The GT350 beats a scat pack in every possible metric. At the track it wouldn't even be close.
Sovereign Knight
Great job Racer X 🤔more mopars please 😎✌️
I got 67,000 on mine because (A). It's torqued to spec and (B). I'm not revving to the moon from a cold start, then acting innocent when I break it.
apparently the Mock 1 comes in a ten speed....... I had no idea that was the case. aside from a ten speed Mock 1 the GT350 is the the more powerful car to go with, that 5.2 Voodoo engine is a masterpiece in typical Ford fashion. At the end of the day you can't go wrong with either car.
GT350R is the most high performance “Track Car” ever produced by an “major” American auto manufacturer (in my opinion) 😉👌👍
Viper ACR: do i even exist? LoL
2019 and 2020 voodoo motors can handle up to 12lbs of boost. They share engine components with the gt500 motor that make the engine able to handle boost
The flat plane crank was the problem. Bad... vibration and balancing caused bearing wear ,vibrations that loosened oil filters and bad ring sealing + high oil consumption
I saw a Mach 1 the other day. I’m a Mopar guy, but I really liked the look and features. The GT 350 is cool, but I wouldn’t want to put many miles on one.
Be honest are you a hefty boy?
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks Why hell yeah. Why do you think I’m a Mopar guy.
@@justpray365 😆 love it! When you said wouldn't put many miles I'm like what... this is like luxury grand tourer from my Miatas I daily. I MUST stay fit to drive lightweight forever gravity is real haha
I was able to find a '16 GT350 with only 7000 miles on it for $43,000... at the price it was a no brainer
I would take both 🚗🐺🐎💰🤣👍🏿🔥
All the gt350s ive seen recently are at least 15k miles and they are all 70k+ too expensive for most people and unfortunately any lower mile 350s at this point are gonna end up in rich peoples garages who will never drive them
I like the Shelby GT350. In my opinion it’s possible the best looking Mustang every built ( Bonestock). Unfortunately I haven’t had the pleasure of driving one, dealers in my area want a complete commitment to buy. I always say no drive, no buy.
Used 350 vs New Mach1 - no brainer, 350 all day long. In my area, got a used R for less than ADM Mach 1 at same dealer.