I BOUGHT A SEADOO SPARK TRIXX | Spark VS XP | Seadoo Spark TRIXX | Ep1
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- It’s true! I did buy a brand new Seadoo Spark Trixx! But, and it’s and important but, my 2 strokes are going nowhere. This new series and new ski is about me experiencing firsthand, in an unbiased way, what the new gen Spark has to offer.
The Seadoo Spark has now been around for 10 years... that’s as long as any of the classic models we all love, so it’s about time I give it some attention and see how it stacks up against our beloved 90s 2 smokes!
Watch along as I introduce the Spark to the channel officially and compare it against the Seadoo XP X4 1995. It’s a really helpful video to show just how these 2 skis, separated by over 25 years, compare out on the water!
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:40 Introducing My New Spark
01:40 Comparing XP & Spark
05:08 Spark First Ride Impressions
08:41 Spark Fast Laps
10:35 Spark Donuts/Spins/Wheelies
12:48 XP Ride Review
16:07 XP Fast Laps
17:04 XP Donuts/Spins
18:20 Talking About Differences
22:26 XP Vs Spark Race
25:39 Spark Timed Lap
26:25 XP Timed Lap
27:07 Conclusion - Outro
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Your production skills are great man. The editing on these are top notch and comparable to channels with millions of subs. The sparks are great to ride but have fun taking it apart to do the spark plugs. Not a fan of doing all that for simple maintenance. They really wanted to sell labor at dealerships with those given they don't make a ton of money when they sell them. Thanks BRP. No thought given to the average consumer.
Honestly thank you so much for the appreciation for the effort that goes into these videos... Every video I really try to push the standard to the best I can... Hopefully in due course more people see my content and I grow...but equally I started this channel as I generally just love these skis...The fact that others like the skis and content is amazing! I'll report back on how I find the spark over a sustained maintenance period... currently have 24 hours on it... I did 10 hours break in and then an oil change at 10 hours, where the top deck came off... IMO it was pretty easy...whilst it was off I took the time to completely protect the engine to minimise salt corrosion over time, as for every ride wash its hard to reach all areas from the small hatchs... I have seen the RIVA aftermarket access mod...and annoyingly the new spark now has the access panel but overall I'm aware of the things to look out for... do I wish I had the XP access... 1000% but there are positives to less openings also... after every ride I see virtually no water from the drain plug... the main area where salt gets in, is actually the air the ski breaths I would say. Anyway thanks for watching and the support, means a lot🙌
@classicjetskis The videos are great, but as is commonly the case, music dominates when I just want to hear the skis.
The hull splitting is the exact reason why I went with the sparks. I got so tired of breaking my arms to work through the seat hatch and dropping bolts into the abyss. Now when I have to do anything serious (basically never) I have complete access to every little crevice of the engine after a 15 minute hull decoupling. You can also lift it off alone.
@@maccoretti51 Thanks for the feedback dude, I will keep this in mind as do agree I love hearing the engine. If I had my way I would have nothing but engine lol...not everyone is as die hard as that sadly... Thanks for watching 💪💪
@@sliceablejoe Interesting take on this, whilst I agree with the fact its great being able to take the full top deck off to access everything for maintenance with the Spark, the biggest issue for me with the Spark is the routine washing between rides, where realistically its not practical to take the full top deck off to just wash down the engine bay.
I ride in both salt and fresh and for me on all of my older 2 strokes I take time to wash down and air line blow off any water, and dry out the engine bay, before spraying it in XPS. This has always kept my engine bays looking like new. The biggest issue with the spark, is you only have 2 holes to wash down into (battery small hatch and oil hole) and lets face it, squirting water through the engine bay hatch you then can't really dry it out. I have tried lots of methods but now use a long flexible air line hose that I feed in to blow off as much water as I can reach, but inevitably you are always left with water sat inside the spark hull.
Seadoo claimed back in 2014 when they launched the spark that it was something silly like 99% water tight so no water can get in, but years later they introduce a top engine access hole as they realised water does get in, and even in the cases when you ride calm and no water gets in, salt air gets in and the salt crystallises resulting in salt deposits.
Some people say about coating the whole spark engine whilst the top decks off, in fluid film or alike, but the issue with this strategy is its been proven to actually trap in salt particles and stop evaporation. Moral of the story is its much harder to wash and keep a spark engine bay clean vs an old 2 stroke.
As for actually maintenance, I agree full top deck off is great. Thanks for watching dude 👌👌
First I have to say: Thank You for being the first person on youtube to properly put the classic XP up against the Spark.
When I was a kid my dad had a pair of matching '94 Xp's and I have to say I love the green and white much more then the yellow and white. He later on bought a 3 up yamaha wave runner from around the year 2000. I hated that machine as a kid, It was so boat like and almost impossible to get wet on. I just hated the machine, it was so boring.
Ironically enough I ended up getting a pair of Xp's a '94 and a '95, Its amazing how much more power the 717 has over the 650. Its neat to stumble across your channel as I was hunting for videos to fix odds and ends on my machines.
Last time I was in the dealership I was shocked at how big these sparks seem, especially out of the water. It does seem like they did a proper job of attempting to emulate the XP's pf the 90's however they seem to have made them a lot more novice friendly. Which while good for the sport theres something untamed about the xp"s in my opinion, they never 100% will behave how you think they will, and I have to love them for it.
Thank you dude, really appreciate the support and glad you liked the video... I have for sometime wanted to see how the Spark stacks up against the 717 XP...I couldn't find a video so I thought I would just make it aha.
I do love the 93-94 XP in that neon green and pink/red... interestingly though, not many people realise the 93-94 XP although they share the identical top deck design as the 95-96 xp, the 93-94 didn't have the X4 hull... the 93-94 used what was called the 'SP gen 2 hull' Great skis... I agree though, mid 90s skis being naturally smaller IMO are the prime great examples of what a PWC should be, so get your sentiment about the later GP/Wave runner etc being too big.
Yes I agree the 717 does feel like a power step up and from what I was told (as I was born in 93) is the 95 717 at the time was mind blowing for people that would upgrade, as not only was it an engine power upgrade, but the introduction of the X4 hull!
Glad you found my channel and enjoying the videos, thats epic!
Your closing point couldn't be more on the money dude! The spark is as close to an XP in the modern day and the design/dev team at Seadoo did a great job, but they also 1000% ironed out a lot of the rider skills needed like we saw from the XP... if you look at the sponsons on the spark, they are way more aggressive to help the cornering, thus rider compliance... ironically this is what the aftermarket scene was doing to the XP back in the day... i.e. adding aftermarket sponsons...
In general, the spark is a great 4 stroke remake...could it be better, sure... but we have to remember sadly unlike 95 and the 90s, in general the XP were top of the tree in terms of high performance craft... the industry now is geared towards machines like the RXPX with the T3 hull and RXTX with the ST3 hull, its sad but the spark isn't seen as the platform for performance, its seen as the platform for fun... Can you imagine if Seadoo harnessed the spark in the right way with more power.... I can only imagine a lot of the 90s xp die hard fans would then be tempted if we see a 170hp spark doing 65mph stock!
Great comment, thanks for watching dude!🙌
I rode a regular 3up spark, really impressed with how fun they are to spin and jump. Super linear power band vs my 94 VXR Pro and 96 Wave Venture 700 2 smokers! Nothing like sliding 90's hulls though.
Yeh agree the spark is a blast and yeh what you have described with the power band is spot on... its because it fly by wire electric throttle vs mechanical throttle... that said you can't beat that 2 stroke kick in power! Thanks for watching dude 🙌
The Spark is a nice and bold move from Sea doo. Something to bring for beginners but I really love my 96 XP 785. Outruns a Spark easily. Mine just got an R&D intake grate and beachhouse Sponsons and a MX handlebar which is wider then the OEM. Besides that I like the X-4 hull which first is made of Fiberglass instead Sparks recycled plastic. I doubt unfixable hull, if damaged, can handle the surfriding that I do most of the time. Still the Spark has its followers and on the long run it we all are having fun on the water. That's most important
Agree with a lot of what you have said buddy, nice to hear someone with a balanced view on old vs new... I would say though, the spark IMO is about being a beginner ski, as really its the only modern day ski that is truly lightweight, playful fun, so to me the spark is the only ski comparable to old skis fun factor... the issue with this spark as you say is it needs more top end... as for low end the spark is comparable...that fly by wire throttle on the spark has great pick up but top end it leaves a lot to be desired for sure... IMO the 951 XP/GSX is the perfect top end... 63pmh stock and turns, feels connected to the water... As for polytech vs fiberglass, there is pros and cons to both... IMO wave jumping a spark is as good, if not better than an X4, so that low end instant fly by wire throttle gives you on demand power, faster and the sparks are so light you can effortlessly 180 spin them in the air... at this point polytech is pretty much proven as being perfectly fit for purpose and strong even with riders jumping them a lot, so don't think the argument of strength is really relevant any more... after all, if you jump a fiberglass hull and not pencil it on the hull, you will crack that with stress cracks too... the great thing about the spark hull is pulling it up onto a sand beach, those hulls just don't mark like a gel coat hull... they're so resilient. I love my old skis but owning a spark has opened my eyes to how well the engineering of seadoo did to bring back the 90s spirit in 2014 with the spark, as for the trixx that is pretty much a modded handlebar x4.
Thanks for watching dude
If you find a 95xp 785 or 800 buy it, best 2 stroke ever made. If not a 787 96 xp that 110 hp engine is a lot faster than the 720 on the regular 95 xp
Its on the 'to find' list for sure, however I would prefer to find a 1999 SPX 787 x4 as would like a SPX badge model as already have a X4 717 xp... IMO the 717 offers good reliability... and if you're like me, I have a 951 if I want to go faster and hit 60+... The rav 787 are great skis from everything I have seen, but come with their problems hence why I went for the more reliable 717... my understanding is the xp800 has more mid range... I'm keen to ride one for sure, but like I say, want a 1999 spx more... that has the hump seat also... Thanks for watching dude 🙌
@@classicjetskis yes i think like you, the spx 1999 have the best color and graphics plus the hump seat but they are hard to find.
Great video.
I wouldn't call the 95XP 717 the "holy grail", the 95 XP 800 with the 787x engine would be the holy grail with 2500 made and only 500 of them having the 787x engine.
As far as comparing the 90HP Spark to the 717cc 85HP XP is more comparable HP to HP. But really I feel comparing the 90 HPSpark to the 787 (800) X4 would be better. And comparing the 60HP Spark to the 717cc XP would be ideal.
If you're hitting 50mph on the 717 XP then you got it tuned perfectly as the 787 XP would average only 56-58mph.
I typically see about 47mph on my 95 XP 717s and about 56 on my 800 XP. With about 63 on my X4 with a 951 swapped in.
Love the video.
Also adding aftermarket bars on the X4 will make it feel totally different as well, more like the Spark feel.
Aftermarket intake and sponsons on the XP will help alot, especially in the chop and the corners.
Love my WORX sponsons on mine.
Hey dude, Holy grail was referring to the X4 hull in general, which I think is a fair comment, but agree engine wise most would say the 787 is the true GOAT! Still trying to find one... when I do, I will for sure make the comparison, although 110hp in the 787 vs a 90hp spark isn't a fair comparison, the 717 with the 85hp is a perfect match up to compare.
It made me chuckle reading, 'As far as comparing the 90HP Spark to the 717cc 85HP XP is more comparable HP to HP. But really I feel comparing the 90 HP Spark to the 787 (800) X4 would be better. And comparing the 60HP Spark to the 717cc XP would be ideal'.
This just feels like a way to make the Spark look less impressive... You have to keep in mind the 60hp spark is just a detuned same 900 ace engine, so really we are just talking about the Seadoo tiering of the same engine...
I think the likes of the earlier SP would be interesting against the 60hp spark, based on me riding both they feel similar power wise although the Spark power band is more linear!
I've been told that I should be seeing 54mph from my 717, I've currently only see 50mph... However I'm using a phone GPS App so likely isn't that accurate.
I agree 63-64 for a 951 is what I see... most I have ever seen on my XPDI is 65 on glass... that was epic!
I would love a full race trim X4 as never going to mess with my pristine beauties mate, the sponsons are very tempting though aha!
Thanks for watching and supporting dude, hope you're recovered now from your ride injury.
Take it steady!
@@classicjetskis
GPS app is probably more accurate than the stock oem speedo wheel sensor.
Im healing up, the purple bruising is gone but I still have some swelling around the waist belt area and some pain when sitting and sitting back in a chair and laying on my back.
My new job doesn't help. Im working 11to 12 hour days at a tractor assembly plant building tractors. Good money tho, making $26.22 hr. But leaves me little time to make and work on videos for my channel. Hoping to get a microphone soon tho as you suggested.
If you ever get a chance to come to the USA, specifically Minnesota, it would be awesome to do a video with you and let you ride my custom 95XP800 with the 951 engine swapped in
As far as the X4 being the holy grail, well holy grail is usually referred to as something rare and hard to find.
They might be hard to find in the UK..but theres tons of X4s here..so many that people are literally trashing X4 empty hulls. I just took a 95XP717 hull to the dump that i parted out cuz the hull was in horrible condition not worth saving and i still have 4 more of them. And theres tons of X4s in my Facebook Marketplace for sale..they are everywhere. And theres like 3 powersports businesses that part out skis and they have piles of empty X4 hulls. Very sad to see them all parted out and destroyed. You know me, i prefer to restore and save them whenever possible.
I hate seeing good solid hulls being destroyed. Which is why i have 2 storage units and a yard full of skis hahaha.
Also i am really surprised you haven't added any 3 seaters to your line up, i mean old 2 stroke 3 seaters. I guess your spark 3up is the only one but i wouldn't really consider that a 3up just like i dont consider the XP a 2up haha.
You need something like a 717 GTI or GTX with a 787 or 951. After you get an X4 787 of course.
My fiancee and her daughter love riding my 96 GTI 717.
@@GCEXTREMEMN Nice man, glad to hear you're making a recovery... riding season is coming to an end now, so you're not missing too much! Thanks for the ride offer, if I'm ever over there I will defo take you up on it!
I saw Neewer just launched a slightly cheaper pair of mics thats worth checking out... very similar to the rode ones I use but a fraction of the cost...
I hear you dude, for me they're rare here but get over there, maybe not so much... over here no one has clean ones like mine, people don't really understand its history or what it is!
As for 3 seater, I love the millennium GTX 951 red one... thats stunning but honestly I have not much interest in a 3 seater... I like the smallest hulls... the only reason we have a 3up spark is like you say, really its a real world 2up... in any case the plan is to keep the longer seat on it but take the 3up platform off to make it lighter and shorter...
Great video, as a kid we had all the x4’s and tbh you cant beat them imo, i can see the idea of the spark and tbh its grown on me, i think the best of the x4’s is the 99 spx and as i recall is the lighter of the x4 hulls and that hump seat 😎 but the holy grail has to be the 96 xp! Without a doubt the best xp there has been!! Love how clean the 95 is you have 😎 love the videos
Thanks dude for watching 👌I would agree the 1999 SPX is my favourite X4 also, as its the most refined from all the years to that point... I believe what you are referring to with the weight though with the 1999 is actually the 1998, the 1998 has something lighter to do with the pump... I did know the details but slipped my mind exactly what it was... In any case I love the full circle with the 99 having the throw back hump seat... But would also concede as far as most iconic X4 goes, that the yellow and pink from the 1996 is by far the most iconic! It just looks so retro and love it! That said from the super hardcore X4 fans I have spoke to, they do say the 1996 had more issues vs the later SPX... one of the reasons I actually bought the 1995 717 was people told me it was a far more reliable easy ski to work on, with out the ravs... I would still buy a 1996 though if a clean one came up, never seen one though in the UK in good enough shape. Thanks again for watching
A friend of mine may have a 96 xp coming up for sale in future, will let you no if it does 😎👍🏻
@@tjolly5378 Hell yes, please do send over some more details and pics if he does, assuming you're UK.... Send to classicjetski@gmail.com Thanks in advance
I have a 91 XP (which is what brought me to your channel) and that is the most fun machine I've been on
Nice man, like you I love my XP 1991... my plan is to make alot more videos this year on it... Stay tuned. Thanks for watching buddy ✌🙌
The trick to the 95XP or 96SPX hull was to NOT lean into the turns. She would corner like she was on rails and flat as a pancake at-speed.
Watching you ride the XP brought back fond memories. I spent much of my 20s riding the mouth of the Detroit River and the west end of Lake Erie getting pounded by the chop. She was sporty, but put a hurtin' on me. I did love seeing the XP out-run the spark though!
The spark is a fun ride, but just too light for me any more. I'm at the age now that I need a three-seater sea couch with a nice cushy seat on it.
That being said, serviceability on the Spark is FAR better. Splitting the hill takes all of 15 minutes and EVERYTHING is completely accessible. I loathed working thru the seat opening on my SPX. It was impossible!
Thanks for the advice 🙌 I have to be honest, riding a spark and then X4 back to back is hard work... the spark just gives you complete confidence and does everything effortlessly... whereas the X4 you have to work for it... I'm not saying thats a bad thing and I love it as it tests me more but the evolution of the spark hull has made use of the years of refinement of hull improvement from a compliance point of view.
I love hearing that I bought back memories for you... the XP is so much fun in the chop and as you say, still has a respectable top speed to this day... kind of embarrassing that a spark can be outrun by a stock 717!
Interesting what you say about the spark being better access wise... I would agree for proper maintenance as in spark plugs, service etc, but as for routine ride access... its terrible... I hate not being able to fully thoroughly wash down the engine bay, mounts etc on the spark like an xp... on my xp I wash it and can air line it all to be completely dry then re-lube/spray to everywhere... with the spark its spray into the access engine panel and oil hole and pray for no corrosion... whilst you can wash down into a spark access hole, its virtually impossible to get all the water out and dry it all off... I have a flexible airline hose I put in the access hole and try to blow off everywhere I can reach, but its not the same...
Its not as if you can/ would want to take the top deck off after every ride on a spark, in the same way you can take the seat of a xp...
My Dad is also the same, he loved riding the xp, gsx but now he loves his 3 seater RXTX 300!
Both great but IMO you need both lol. Thanks for watching ✌
Amazing content as usual.
Thank you dude that means a lot... trying to keep levelling up my content... think the audio commentary helps keep the ride sections interesting 😊
@@classicjetskis The audio commentary was spot on. It offers real time feelings about what you’re doing plus we can hear the engine noises as well. It’s not just some voice over after the fact without context. Job well done sir.
Unbelievable how clean that XP is, but the Spark wins for me! Thanks for sharing, love your videos! 🙌
Thanks mate 🙏 I think I need to get you on the xp to see if you still feel the same… the spark is definitely a better ski for you to start with, as it will allow you to build confidence whilst maintaining speed. But the xp is a blast to get the hang of.
Please do one of these videos with old and new superjet! I want to get into stand-up and would love you see some in your very high quality videos 👍
Your wish is my command... I have to first clue myself up on the stand up world... I do love the old school square nose yam but don't see myself buying a new modern stand up... never say never though... I 100% will buy an old stand up, just whether its a yam or kaw.
Another top notch video. 👌
Thank you Steve, I'm really glad you appreciate the time and work that goes into these. Thanks for watching 🙌
If you havent already, try riding it without that 3up deck on. You'll see why
I have toyed with the idea of removing it however online the consensus is the platform once you're up on the plain doesn't create any drag... that said I think it would be easier to jump and be more playful. I will try at some stage as easy to take off. Thanks for watching ✌
That XP IS MINT bro, as soon as i learned from you the extra drag on the plastic hull ill always stick to fiberglass so thanks for that info
Thank you, really appreciate the acknowledgment of this XP... Yes there isn't alot in it between the XP 717 and Spark 900 but for sure the XP seems to pull harder and just feels faster IMO... The Spark does handle more effortlessly though, with less skill to ride fast in the corners. Thanks for watching ✌
Really enjoying your videos
Thank you, really appreciate that and the support, thanks for watching 🙏🌊🌊
Hey man, great video.
You influenced me to look for an older ski.
I was about to buy that 97 spx but i did a vin check on it, found out it was some type of total loss and the seller didnt tell me, then i drove 600 miles total to buy a 91 xp, but it ended up not starting, big waste of time, im gonna end up buying something new, either a new yamaha or a spark x if it ever comes out. Maybe one day i can find something mint like you have!
Thanks for watching dude 🙌
I love that the channel and my videos have inspired you to buy a 2 stroke, thats epic! So glad you didn't get burnt, a big part of looking for and buying old is taking your time to do your homework...
The amount of times I have drove hundreds of miles and then the ski be a flop... I feel your pain but don't give up dude, one will come up. As for going new, IMO if you're thinking of a spark...I was like you and holding out for a spark x... I can't see them doing it for some time... I have made a video on this topic, check it out. Seadoo don't want to take sales from the GTI, GTR etc... if they made a faster spark IMO would devalue the bigger ski value proposition...talking about the polytech 2 hull skis, not the HPC rxp etc, they are a different category all together... A turbo spark would be perfect.... do let me know what ski you go for and hopefully this video helped give an insight to the merit of new and old.
Don’t give up! 91 xp is too old. Keep looking for a 96xp, 97,98,99 Spx. You will not be disappointed!
@@travisanderson4557 Agree the 91 XP is pretty old but thats not a reason to not buy one, if a good one comes up, I love my 1991 XP its like a SP on steroids. That said having been exposed to the X4 hulls I don't find myself reaching for the SP Gen 1 hull under the 91 XP as much. If you're talking X4 hulls, the 717 is more reliable than the 787. But the 787 in the 96-99 XP/SPX is more powerful. Thanks for watching dude 🙌🙌
And by this magnificent video u got me subscribed
Keep the good work borther
And what about doing a vid about yamaha waverunner 700xl
I think it's the most reliable 2stroke pwc ever made
That’s ace man… love this, to be honest when I made this video, it had a special feeling about the way it turned out, the level feels much better than other videos… feel proud of this video, so thanks for the appreciation 🙏
We radared a 1995 XP 720 at 54mph and our 95' Kawasaki 900 Zxi hit the same and our 96' GTX 787 hit 55 in 1996. I'm not sure how much gas was in the tank of any of them. The 787 XP was about 58mph but the motor was more of a pain in the *** to work on and sometimes oil would leak into the cyls causing a lock. 54 on the 720 is not bad at all in comparison. It's not the same but it's not bad.
Yes one of my other buddys pointed out 50mph is incorrect...currently investigating it lol... to be honest the tanks were both full to keep it fair and the speed runs I was only using an app on my phone which is likely not very accurate...I need to run it back... I'm sure with the spark though 50-51 is max. Thanks for watching dude... I totally agree the 717 is a great balance between everything with good reliability for its time vs the rav 787... I do want a xp800 though lol... or a spx 800 as its a x4 also.
I’m still die hard, waveblaster and superjet man, I still have a few seadoo 580s kicking around in the fleet, And I’m wayy to cheap to buy a new ski.. but I enjoyed this video.
I hear you man, thats why my garage is still full of 8 classics including a B2 and Raider 1100... still trying to find a clean B1 and square nose Yam... The spark is great as an all rounder and work horse ski to keep the classics clean... Thanks for watching
If you want to see what it clocks in at put the trim right up as it creates less drag as more of the nose is being lifted out.
I've tried everything to see what this ski can do and tops I've had is 52mph on glass... I find the best for top speed is one above middle... this year I may try removing the 3up platform to reduce drag although online people say it makes no difference, worth a try though. Thanks for watching 🙌
I think it would be a better comparison with 2up spark, I have mine with additional deck and it makes it very sluggish comparable to 2up no deck setup. Also in the end of a race, the second driver looks significantly heavier than you, that should have been accounted for and maybe you could swap jet skis for the second run for example.
Yeh a couple of people have said about taking the 3up platform off... I might do this, this season, as would still have longer seat for Megs but would hopefully give it more playful characteristics. As for the race at the end, honestly dude we ran this every which way and this was the most competitive out of all the races, hence why I did a fair lap with me riding both the Spark and XP which was timed. I did it where I was on the Spark and the other way around and each time the XP is faster off the line, it has alot more pull than the spark.
The biggest thing about the Spark is they have ironed out alot of the rider skill needed to ride it fast, its a very compliant hull to ride which is great for newer riders, but after literally 1-2 laps you can basically ride it full throttle around most of the track, which compared to the XP, the XP requires alot more practise and skill, but once you master it, its quick and you get alot more satisfaction on nailing a lap, as you have earnt it, if that makes sense.
Maybe the Spark could be faster without the platform, so will try it out and see, however from what I have read online though, is once on the plane the platform is out the water so drag really isn't an issue, the main area of difference would be playfulness with spinning etc.
I love them both but for out and out performance the XP is a faster hull, just has more pull than the Spark. The Sparks main strength is reliability and wheelies but outside of that I would pick a 2 stroke as the Spark feels slow to me, which sucks, as I spent 10k buying a new one... I'm holding out for a Spark X 150hp, then things would get interesting, as this comparison is using the 717 baby XP from 1995, if I would have put it against the 787 XP the gap would be bigger...
Thanks for watching
I love my 2-stroke, but I'm planning to get a Spark in the near future.
I hear you dude, the 2 strokes are irreplaceable but the Spark does offer a comparable, close as you will get, modern day remake... what I would say is, perfect scenario is to have at least 1 2 stroke and a Spark to get best of both worlds...and IMO the 717 is such a great ski that you can pick up for a good price....thanks for watching dude 🙌
Went from my 98 XP limited 951CC into my new spark trixx 3 up last year. I do like the spark better. Has the power i want and all the options. I find it more stable for sure :)
Thats super interesting... So I have a 951 XPDI and have a 951 GSX and IMO the 951 eats the 900 ace spark all day long... my XPDI 951 does 63mph, my spark will only do 50-52 on glass... I would agree the 3up is way more stable, which coupled with the better fuel economy, extended trim is a great overall package... but better than a 951 I find hard to agree with (sorry dude). I love my spark but I would be gutted if I didn't have a 951 in my garage for its better top end. Thanks for watching ✌
Oh for sure the XP was faster.... :) I just think nowadayz for me the trixx has all i need. :) Im getting old i know hahahaa@@classicjetskis
Fair enough, enjoy my friend 💪
Is a more equivalent comparison to the spark 2up rather than the 3up.
In the future I will run it back but from all the videos, stats I've seen, I don't think its as big a deal as it visually looks... on the plane the 3up platform sits out the water, so lap time wise don't think we are talking a lot of difference... if you look at top speed runs on a spark 3up vs 2up its negligible... the area where maybe it would show is spinning the spark and wheeling as the platform makes it longer, thus harder to spin vs the smaller XP... IMO the 3up spark is great as if you're like me, I can still ride it like a 2 stroke but me and Megs can go exploring on it and its ideal for 2... IMO the 2up spark isn't comfortable for 2 for extended time... At some point I will take the 3up platform off, as it's a plug and play part... we can still keep the bigger seat on... I'll report back with how this effects things... Thanks for watching dude 😊
I'm looking forward to when you get the Spark Trixx MAP tune. You should borrow another Spark so you can A/B test it!
I'm 95% sure about doing a remap but then I have seen online guys that have done remaps, new impeller, new intake, new ride plate, ribbon delete, filter, new sponsons, exhaust and you are looking at like 4-5mph for 5-6k spent... I feel like a turbo kit is a better investment to get real gains... plus if you're not running crazy boost levels I've seen good longevity from people with turbos.... a turbo spark not pushing it will do 65 easy.... its when people start pushing 70+ I think you will see a big drop off in longevity...we will see what happens, the other tricky thing is, If I want to do 60+ I have the 951 gsx ltd or xpdi so is it worth messing with the spark 🤔
Great content, but the spark can turn way better and be more playful but you need to use weight transfer.
If you lean on the turn it will immediately do a 180 on the spot. Like the back end slips out because you lifted the back sponson out of the water.
I hear you dude but what this video was trying to show is how both compare with the exact same rider input, for sure you can make the spark more playful with throwing your weight around more, but this would sku what I was showing, the XP and spark need different levels of rider input to be playful. Seadoo have made the spark more of a compliant easy hull to ride. Compliance IMO takes alot of the fun factor away and then you have to push the skis nearer the edge of what it doesn't really want to do... As for the XP 1995, that spins with very little need to use your body weight as its inherently designed to be a playful hull... Where the spark comes into its own with those aggressive sponsons is around a course, its an easier faster ski to ride fast but again whether thats a good thing I'm not sure, as it takes alot of rider skill out of it. I love both, but when you ride both back to back, you will see what 180 really feels like on an old hull vs a spark, even when a spark hull lets go and flicks around, it still feels so controlled vs an xp... Hard to explain what I mean, but some of the footage in the video when I'm spinning the XP on the drone clips, shows how loose it is. Thanks for watching
@@classicjetskis Not gonna lie, I have ridden both and I feel differently about what you just said. Having to put a little body weight to make it work exactly how you want is way more fun.
If I had to guess I bet you own a spark hence the reluctancy for you to accept the sparks limitations.... Dude I have both a 717 XP and a spark so have no reason to put down the spark as I love it, but if you really have rode an old XP X4 hull and still find a spark as playful, then I would have to politely say you likely didn't ride the X4 to its full potential, to draw an accurate conclusion on both hulls characteristics... Honestly the spark is a blast and agree with you that you can spin it but not to the same effortless degree a XP spins.... have a watch of my birthday lodge tattershall vlog where I'm spinning the spark as you say, but it 100000% does not flick around like a X4 hull and my point around using your body weight you misunderstood, I was explaining how Seadoo have designed the spark to be more rider friendly and compliant, so in order to get it to flick around like an older hull, you have to essentially bi pass the sponsons which are designed to give that hull compliance.... thats why loads of riders take the sponsons off the spark, to make it looser...
I can ride the spark at virtually full throttle around this course in the video, and the handling is very tight with those sponsons, the negative of that is when it comes to spinning it, you have to essentially push it to let go in a fashion it wasn't designed to like the XP!
IMO the spark is a great fun hull but doesn't require anywhere near the rider skill level to ride like an old X4... what ever way you cut it, a 30 year old 717 as this video shows, out drag races a 900cc spark and turns way more directly...
Conclusion you need both a spark and old skis for both their merits (and Seadoo need to make a spark X lol) Thanks again for watching, appreciate the input
@classicjetskis just different opinions that is all! Nice to see the subtle attacks from a UA-camr lol
@@Blackomega95265 We can agree on that, I do respect your opinion but as you can see from everyone of my videos I get back to every comment, but when I read something I know to be biased, I like to give a view on it, as if not, someone reads your comment and maybe takes it as accurate... from my point of view I come at this as objective as I can, I have 8 different classics and 2 new skis, I bought the new skis to give a balanced opinion vs commenting on new without real world experience. I think the video shows my point perfectly, but like I say, appreciate you watching and giving your thoughts. I'm not saying you're wrong, just struggled to see how you came to such a conclusion... I guess it could be I literally rode these back to back so its about as close a comparison you can have, in terms of feeling the difference.
What I would say is, if you do like that playfulness dude, you need a 2 stroke as they do what the spark does but better. The sparks main strength is its reliability, stability extended VTS and fuel economy. I think if Seadoo brings out a spark X, then it could be more of a compelling argument.
Thanks again 🙌🙌
I feel like if I ever get enough money I will buy a top of the line 3 seater, but will have a 787 xp on hand for sheer fun on the lake
Makes sense dude, over the years I have come around to the fact embracing new gen and keeping old is the best balance. Thanks for watching ✌
how did you get a stock spark to do 55mph??? the most i've seen out of mine is 52mph and that is on a perfect glasstop lake... normally it is a 48mph ski... my old 1997 787 110hp SPX would hit 57mph all day long however...
I weigh 70kg and on glass you can get 53mph... I'm sure in the video I put a text box correcting myself saying 50mph... but yes 53 is max I've seen... I would say however 48mph seems 2-3mph off what you should be seeing.... Yes agree older 2 strokes kick ass... my GSX 951 does 63-65 on glass all day... the spark really needs to be a 60mph ski for me.. Thanks for watching
Hello I am in the market for a reliable and fast classic jetSki that is fun on the water. I am a snowmobile/ Dirtbike rider! I want to stay away from the full standup but would like something that is fast, agile and reliable. My buddy’s all ride the wave raider 701 but I want to have something different. Unless that really is the best ski.
Thank you in advance!
Great question! Ok so for out and out reliability, agility and still gives you 50mph (comparable with 700 wave raiders) a 717 XP or SPX Seadoo would be perfect. The 717 are one of the most reliable engines Seadoo made. I actually have the 1100 wave raider, so can't comment on the 700 but know the wave raider hull well and comparably to the X4 XP hull (X4 hulls are iconic for their playfulness and race craft) is night and day, the X4 are a much better hull. If you want a bit more power you could look at the 787 or 951 Seadoo engines or like I say the Wave Raider 1100 is a beast 65mph vs the baby 700 raider.
Hope this helps, thank you for watching 💪
P.s. 2 strokes inherently there is no such thing as consistent reliability, they require work to keep them running sweet ( just to manage expectations)
How does the spark go against the 98 gsx 951 ?
The GSX 951 has alot more power and top end but the Spark holds its own for the initial launch if you get it right. The GSX is more fun to ride and spin but the spark on a course is faster as handles consistently better over a lap, as its more predictable so you're confidence curve is higher vs the GSX which bites back. The GSX is a beast and love it for its raw power. Thanks for watching
@@classicjetskis Thanks for the feed back, I just picked up a 98 gsx with original 100 hours one owner. So I am excited to test it out. I paid $1500. AUD for it.
@@adamg6199 Nice man, enjoy it dude 🙌🙌
Did I miss the Drag race? What was the top speed of both machines?
Yes there was a drag race towards the end... I'm going to add in time stamps to help people find each segment of the video...No top speeds in the video documented as thus far I haven't accurately recorded both... Most I've seen on the Spark is 50mph on glass... The XP i'm told will be 52-54 range...Thanks for watching 🙌
Sounds about right. My spark hits 49mph. On light chop. My Superjet gets up to 47. Likes a bit of a head wind. lol@@classicjetskis
@@StefanMailey I think if I did some mods I can get 52-53 but not sure if the cost is worth it... we will see...
Shoulda got a 2up
I was going to but easy to take 3up platform off 2up, but still get longer seat if you get 3up from manufacture. Also we ride 2 people on spark so 3up is the way to go... Will make a video showing the 3up off at some point, thanks for watching ✌
Do you think the xp is iconic?
1000000% I would argue maybe one of, if not the most iconic sitdown models, alongside the likes of the Blasters... The XP ran from 1991 to 2004 so with a lifespan like that, its iconic.
Thanks for watching dude ✌
I think the Spark Trixx 2 up would compare closer to the XP
In the future I will run it back but from all the videos, stats I've seen, I don't think its as big a deal as it visually looks... on the plane the 3up platform sits out the water, so lap time wise don't think we are talking a lot of difference... if you look at top speed runs on a spark 3up vs 2up its negligible... the area where maybe it would show is spinning the spark and wheeling as the platform makes it longer, thus harder to spin vs the smaller XP...At some point I will take the 3up platform off, as it's a plug and play part... we can still keep the bigger seat on... I'll report back with how this effects things... Thanks for watching dude 😊
Gotta love a 2 stroke BUT there's people in America running V8 turbos! 😅
2 stroke will always be king for me... just love them! Thanks for watching dude 💪
@@classicjetskis 2 strokes are unique, even if the power was the same the 2 strokes would give more torque so immediate acceleration is achieved, and the motor would be lighter. Thank you for the video
@@paulojorgemachado5573 I agree dude, one of the main things that keeps me riding 2 strokes even now having been exposed to 70mph 1630 super chargers and the 4 stroke 900 ace spark, is the power band, for me that arm pull is unmatched... I do think noise and smell has a big play to plan as well... When you ride a 2 stroke its an event, the same can't be said about the newer stuff, even though the performance of the new stuff is insane! Thanks for watching ✌✌
All the red 🔴🟥♥️
I think it’s a good decision you got a spark I’ll be interested to see what route you take to make it faster too 👊🏼
Red all day long... when I saw the 2021-2022 year colour, thats what made me jump and buy one!
Thanks man, really appreciate the support.... Turbo time 😉
Should have ran the sea doo hx as opposed to xp
I'm still restoring my HX... I will for sure run it back with HX VS spark but keep in mind, Seadoo based the Spark hull on the X4 not the limited run HX.... the HX only ran for 3 years so that hull isn't as renowned as the X4... I will compare all the hulls against the spark at some point.. Thanks for watching 💪🙌
@classicjetskis I'm aware. In 1996 I bought a HX off the showroom floor and parted with it before the spark came out in favor of a stand up. I have always wanted to see someone who can ride an HX properly, do a comparison with the spark. Hope you get yours running, the HX was the best thing to come out of the 90s for Sea Doo.
Wow thats ace, so did you have a 95,96 or 97 HX? so you had it until around 2014? Thats mega! Yes got all the parts together now for a minty restore... then can't wait to get out on it... Thanks again for watching 🙌
The spark has a sweat speaker mount on the front too
I like the new 2024 design but not a fan of the permanent mount on the 1st gen... a lot of the ancillary accessories are way more considered on the new gen...shame it looks worse than the original spark IMO... thanks for watching ✌
@@classicjetskis I do agree completely!! The mount is clunky but the speaker is good for what it is! Enjoy the content!!!
I must admit music on PWC is epic... however they need to make it more intelligent and be able to get louder when you're full speed.... never understood why the speaker didn't have some kind of intelligence to give more volume at higher speeds, as when you're going fast you really can't hear anything...
XPis the ugliest jet ski I've ever seen (purple & yellow yuck)the red/black spark pretty looks good
Really 😳 I think your on your own with this one buddy! I would say the exact opposite… the XPs for me (and many others) are some of the most stunning skis ever made… the spark is nice in its own right but the XP is special.
Thanks for watching 🙏
@@classicjetskisI 100% agree with you man. The x4 XP’s from the 90’s are ALL sexy. They have such classic/retro look from that era. I never liked the spark. Looks ugly to me.
@@7771ham I know right, the XP along with alot of the 90s styling is where it is at! I think new gen riders struggle to understand just how different skis looked in this period, so understand that they can misunderstand a time period styling as odd now but for its time, they where right at home. This many years later I just really appreciate the style, every newer ski seems to be black or mass market safe. Thanks for watching 💪💪