⚠️WHY The Seadoo XP Vanished???⚠️ Full History of the Seadoo XP | Classic Jetskis
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2023
- Why did one of the most iconic Seadoo models vanish from their product line up? I have made a video doing a deep dive into the history of the iconic Seadoo XP, covering all the generations, its racing heritage, featuring a tone of achieve footage.
Who else wants to see the Seadoo XP back in their line up?
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The Seadoo X4 Hull the greatest Ski ever made. All these years later and they are still alive and well. East Coast Watercross this last season had over 30 X4's racing in the ciricut.
EPA regulations is what got rid of the two stroke Jet Skis around 2004. With the bigger heavier four stroke engines the hulls had to get bigger and less nimble.
Very very good point, I should have covered that as very very true... I know my Di was a push towards making the 2 stroke XP more emission conscious, but yes 4 stroke was for sure the death of the smaller machines... I still just love the old stuff more, can't help it... Thanks for watching and supporting dude ✌
Some of the waverunners xp1200s even had a catalytic converter which is odd to me for a 2 stroke
I currently have a 1997 SPX with a 95 xp hump seat. I love that ski!
Nice man, I have never rode a XP X4 or SPX for that matter with the hump seat... still have a 96 or 1999 spx x4 on my bucket list to find... thanks for watching dude ✌
We had one of those 97 models and 2 yellow GTXs. At the time, they had the best hulls. We had tried waverunners and they were so sketchy at high speeds. Those seadoos felt like they were on rails in calm water. Those GTXs were my favorite, and they were so reliable for cruising around in the intercoastal rivers here in FL.
Love this, thanks for sharing dude! So I have amazing memories as a kid of riding my Dads GTX Millennium! I must admit the X4 1up XP is where my love is and don’t know as much about the bigger GTX hulls, but for sure that period in time I would agree (as I have a Yamaha Wave Raider) the Seadoo handles a lot better... My 1100 Wave Raider can be sketchy as you say, especially with 2 riders! Thanks for watching dude
Living up north in the 90s I will tell you why these hulls will never come back for retail. I remember hearing more than once in spring of someone who took out an XP or SP on a warm April day. To the middle of a lake and dying of hypothermia because they fell off and didn't know how to remount the hull from the back. They would roll it over on the side. That's really what killed these hulls. The GTX line solved that problem and today we have these massive PWC.
Bingo. I actually had this happen to me when I was about 5 years old. I was riding with my mom. She slowed to an idle to chat with who we were riding with and we rolled over. I still remember the purple rub rail on the 92 XP going under water 30 years later lol.
Unable to remount the ski my cousin swam out about 100 yards with a jacket on, got on the ski, got me on the ski, fired up the ski (no dess, just held the kill switch) and got me back to shore to warm up.
We were all fine but we had a newfound respect for lake Erie on Memorial day when the water is only 55 degrees. Eventually, moved to 96 and 97 GTXs for a better ride, more stability, and more power.
I hear what you're saying but do have to politely disagree with your suggestion the GTX is the reason they stopped making more tippy skis... the X4 ran from 1995 to 1999 ( and before that, the XP was the SP hull and SP gen 2 hull) and were some of, if not the most popular models seadoos ever made.... tippy skis were a thing right up until the late 90s... the issue is, some riders that jumped on the XP/SP/SPI models, weren't really aware of the rider skill level needed to ride these more tippy hulls. Thereafter blaming the machine when in reality as you have touched on, they were just riding the wrong ski for their particular riding needs... the GTX wasn't brought into the solve any issues with the XP, it was brought in to increase market share for family's and riders that like you say, didn't want to deal with XP tippyness... in fact the GTX basically ran in parallel to the xp model every year... IMO a gtx is far too easy and stable for my riding style ( a logic many riders would agree with)... the gtx is a great machine for 2 up riding, although me and my better half ride 2 up on xps fine... I personally think people just bought the wrong model... this happens to this day... family's will buy a seadoo spark and then realise they should have bought a GTI/GTX.. it doesn't mean the spark hull is bad or wrong, as there are many that love the connection with the water that you tend to loose, the bigger the hull gets. What I would say though is, there is a real issue with people buying/or jumping on a friends ski, not taking the time to respect the water and then get caught out... here in the UK we have great training courses for the uninitiated but you will always get idiots that take skis out and take risks, make mistakes then that renders more issues for all riders. Normally aswell as I say, blaming great skis along the way.... A great example I always use is people that drive auto cars, when they drive manual tend to complain about changing gear, but for people that love to drive manual that is part of the experience, in the same way for riders that want to test their balance, endurance and so on, an XP still to this day is unmatched.
Thank you for watching and don't take what I'm saying as the GTX is a bad ski, my dad had one and I loved riding it, I also respect your input but wanted to give an alternative balanced view on this. 😊
Such a great video! Thanks for piecing together all the classic footage that tells the story of the evolution of the classic 2 seater!
Thank you, it took some time I must say, I even had to convert old VHS tapes my Dad had to get the digital files of these old promos/owner videos... I want to make a follow up as people have mentioned a number of areas I missed... so much to cover though. Thanks again for watching 💪
I was born just two years after you and I love my GSX!
Nice man, great to hear like me you have a love for the old stuff as a lot of people our age are seadoo spark or nothing... and a lot of the time, don't even know about 2 strokes... like you love the GSX... Keep it going dude, thanks for watching and supporting!
My friend has a 96gsx and I have a 97gtx. They’re older than us and have given us a life time of memories in the short time we have owned them. A bucket list item of mine is to rebuild a stock xp
Man thats epic! I totally agree an old 2 stroke will put every bit as big a smile on your face as going out and spending 10s of thousands on a new ski... My 717 XP 1995 makes me smile probably more than my 11k spark. All skis are fun but people don't realise picking up a clean 1-2k old 2 stroke to get you on the water, is so much more rewarding than committing to a 10k-20k ski. Thanks for watching 💪✌
The 90's was so great for jetskis. Racing was huge. The 96XP started the HP war between all the brands. Yamaha, Kawasaki and Polaris put out so many great skis. XP's were everywhere and are still so popular today. The new 4 strokes are no were near as fun as a 2 stroke.
I agree with all of this lol... couldn't have said it better myself... I wish I could have seen the 90s in real time... seemed like a truly epic time to be around skis... I would have loved to have bought a XP 787 1996 new... I can see what you're saying about HP wars... you look at the likes of the wave raider 1100 vs the 787.... thanks for watching dude ✌🙌
I had the honor of living through the SEA-DOO boom years and that purple and green monster 1991 XP revolutionized the "sit-down" watercraft market forever. I've owned the 89 SP. 94 SP. 95 HX. 96 XP. Today I own the SEA-DOO SWITCH in my 50's. The 90's were the best.
I do think today's PWC are better but the lawyers have taken a lot of the craziness out.
Love this... lucky man getting to live through these epic years... I love my 1991 XP... so much fun to ride with that flat bottom hull that spins so well... Also love the SP's... I have just picked up the HX and can't wait to get out on it, once I restore it... hopefully this summer.. Nice to here you're still out on the water... the switches look interesting with that modularity...
Interesting you say todays PWC are better... that I think will have to agree to disagree on😂... I love both old and new... but old rules 😊👌
My brother purchased the 97 XP and I want to get the same ski, he said just wait for 98 XPL and I did and there was a big difference between the skis, but we had so much fun riding everywhere and on everything, Kept my ski till 2004 with many mods for handling and performance. Then kids came along… bought boats off and on till I got sick of them…Came home in afternoon and surprised the bride and bought a 2017 RXP… then since finding you on YT I keep wanting to buy a 98 XPL… came close a couple times this year but not being able to find electrical components scared me off.
Keep up the great work mate. 🤜🏻
Man thanks for sharing this story, I love hearing peoples history with these classics... the 98 XPL was a great ski and is definitely considered a better year to buy with the 951 vs the 787... As for being scared off, IMO you can get any parts you need, there is a great community online and if you're prepared to be patient and find a clean example to start with, look after it, you shouldn't really be needing anything more than the usual wear and tear bits to keep these machines going... the key is to find a clean unmolested example to start with... But with all the said, the risk is worth the reward... the riding experience on the older skis IMO is far more enjoyable than modern day... the new stuff is great but as for simple fun factor, the old stuff rules... the great thing about the 951 xps, they had a balance between fun but actual true performance.
Thanks for watching and supporting dude 🙌✌
@@classicjetskis I’ve been searching for as you say a ‘ clean 951 ‘ it brings back good memories.… keep up the great work. Wishing you and the family a happy new year 🥳
Try and get 99+ instead of 98. More parts available as that year added the TPMS and changed rectifier
Man, watching this video brought back some childhood memories! Miss the old sea doo stuff.
Man thats ace to hear, thats ones of the main reason I make these videos.. to keep the spirit of these great machines alive. So glad its sparked good memories... Thanks for watching dude 🙌😊
Back in the 1990’s I had a 1992 XP and a 1996 XP. I did not like the new hull design they went to in 1997 for the XP. I also had a 1999 SPX. I loved all 3 of these jet skis. Most fun jet skis I have ever been on. So much fun. Small lightweight and with the 110hp pretty fast too. Seadoo needs to bring the XP back and as a X4 hull.
Nice skis that you had dude... I really want a 1999 spx X4... I love all the gen XP for different reason... for all out fun the flat bottom 1st gen XP is a blast... for a balance between fun and performance the X4 and then for all out performance, for me its got to be the 951... THE 951 IMO is when we truly saw out of the box 60mph speed which to this day feels like a true performance machine... the 787 were great but there is a reason people moded them... BTW I love the 787/717 but the 951 for me is the perfect performance curve for a stock ski lover like me...Thanks for watching as always dude 🙌👌
I have a 94 Yamaha VXR PRO I just rebuild the 701 engine on, thing is so much fun to slide around and fast enough (45ish mph) only thing is it drifts instead of carving into turns like the XP seems to. My other big fat 96 Wave Venture 700 turns better! Gotta keep the 90s skis ripping, awesome video!
Nice man, great work... I think 60mph is the sweet spot, hence why I love a stock 951 the most... my GSX LTD and 2003 XP both do 63mph easy and still very fun to spin and corner so well... as you say the X4 takes a lot more rider skill to get the most out of it... like you, initially I found the X4 hard to turn how I wanted it to... I then realised the more you push it hard and be brave, the more it turns into a race machine... the X4's are all about rider skill... when you mentioned the bigger Wave Venture, what you're experiencing there isn't better turning its better compliance... manufactures started to make skis easier to ride, thus creating a better sense of confidence in what the ski was doing... all skis have great characteristics in their own ways, but without doubt, when the X4 is rode like the old racers used to race them back in the day... they are great race machines... there is of course the necessity to mod them to get the most of out them, which is another reason why a stock gsx 951 IMO is a better out of the box ski. Thanks for watching dude 😊🙌
Great video and thanks for the information. I love my 90s Seadoos. I'm from the states and they get stored 6 months of the year. Every year I take them out they start right up because I store them correctly.
Good man, its great to hear you're giving your classics the love and attention they deserve, always breaks my heart when I see people abusing how they store these skis... A lot of riders overlook the importance of correct storage. Keep those classics alive my friend, thanks for watching and supporting dude ✌👌
Mate great informative video. You’re the best. 🥇
Aww thanks man, that means a lot... It was a long one and still more I could have covered but glad you enjoyed it... thanks for watching and supporting the channel 👌😊
The yellow 1996 XP was still the best ski ever made. I had 4 all @ the same time and then for some reason they started building huge boat sized ski’s that became more and more boring…. I am a Yamaha man now just because of reliability and haul material.
Hey dude! Totally agree, the yellow 1996 XP was an absolute legend. Four at the same time? That’s impressive! I get what you mean about the newer, larger skis losing some of that fun factor. Yamaha definitely knows how to build reliable machines with solid hull materials. Thanks for watching 🙌
Thanks, gr8 Vid. I see that you had a clip of an HX in their too. I always considered the HX to be the forerunner to the last gen XP Ltd, more so than the old XP's.
Yes 100% that is why there is some footage in there, however if I would have covered this I would have wanted to spend another 10 mins on this point alone... think I will make a follow up video covering more details around bits I missed. The HX as you say is 100% the foundation of the final gen XP parabolic v. Thanks for watching dude 🙌✌
They had the RX and RXX race models were out at the same time as the XP and i think they decided they overlapped too much and combined them to make the new RXP. I loved my RXDI, extremely fuel efficient, went 80 miles and still had half a tank! Awesome hull too
Very good point to be fair... I have so many great memories as a kid on a carb RX 2001-2002, if I remember correctly not sure when the DI took over the carb on the RX... but agree the overlap of the XP and RX was close but I would say the RX was more of a replacement for the GSX... Its a very/if not the same hull design... I love both the parabolic v on the final gen XP and the GSX hull but IMO the RX is a heavier, more clumsy version of the GSX 951... they just made it bigger and added reverse etc... so still think the XP is a better option from this period (early 2000s). I do agree the XP and RX are rolled into the 2004 RXP... Thanks for watching 👌
Greetings from Australia I reckon your content is fantastic. I always assumed the at skis got big and heavy due to the 4 stroke engines taking over but as you point out the market was heading that way anyway and the rise of the bulky seadoo GTX and Yam XL1200 happened when 2 stroke was still the go. I like your comments regarding the direct injected 2 stokes and can’t help but feel they are a sweet spot between old lightweight 2 stroke and modern and modern 4 stroke. Surely they could have refined that tech to make them even better much as Evinrude did with their outboards. Imagine if the 2014 spark had came out with a 950 DI 2 stroke with a further decade of development to what the XPDI had? That would be a weapon.
Thanks man, thank you for watching and the appreciation 💪 To be fair, larger 3 seater 2 strokes existed from the early 90s so larger skis weren't anything new, it was just that manufacturers tended to focus on performance being the smaller more nimble connected skis, with the water and the larger hulls/crafts for families... what manufactures do now is focus on larger more balanced hulls across the board, with the spark being the only really connected hull in the range (if you can call it connected that is, as very stable compared to an XP or alike) IMO 4 stroke is what killed off the smaller crafts as we know them/plus the desire to go faster and faster, super chargers and so on! Yes for me I really don't understand the hate for the DI models, at the time they were new tech but now direct injection is common place and no one comments... as you say with many more years improvement the di would be great... my di to this day is very comparable on fuel to my spark (no joke!). I love the 951, 63mph IMO is the perfect top speed for a smaller sized craft.... the issue is people want 70mph just for clout! I would way rather do 60 and be connected to the water vs 70 and be disconnected! Heck I would take 50mph in my 1995 xp 717 and be connected to the water vs my spark and thats crazy with 30 years removed! Thanks for watching dude!
Good video! i still have a SEADOO XP Bombardier 1992 Love it! )from Holland.
Man I love this! great work... keep that baby going dude... thanks for watching and supporting the channel 😊🙌
93's had big handling problems when they first came out. The hull didn't have sponsons and they were added as options and fixes later. I can't remember if they were a recall thing. I don't think they were. You said "94" but I think you were talking about the 93' model. 94's all had sponsons as standard. The older 91-92 hull could benefit from sponsons as well but it wasn't nearly as bad for porpoising or unhooking in high speed turns.
Thanks for the info dude, yes you maybe right... I thought the 1994 was still an optional extra but you're probably right, if the issue was there in 1993 then logical standard part/fix for the 1994 model... I actually love the spin out nature of the 1991/1992 xp but do hear you with the fact sponsons would improve things in areas... Thanks for watching dude ✌🙌
Yea! Much longer videos please
You got it, working on other history style videos to add to the playlist.... have an interesting one on the Yamaha blasters. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
I have been blessed unbeknownst to me at the time of aquirring with a 1992 spx and a 94 xp. Two of the funnest skis I've ever ridden.
Nice man... I have a 1991 XP and that is a blast... those earlier flat bottom SP hulls let go which makes them so fun... So the SPX and 94 XP don't have X4 hulls they have gen 2 SP hulls... the X4 hull is a great balance between fun and performance. Enjoy those skis man. Thanks for watching ✌
Great video! Still rocking my 99XPL. Wish they’d throw a 2 cylinder, supercharged 4 stroke in that hull - if they could get it around 225hp - and use a fibreglass hull again. They’d finally have me buying a new ski.
Love the final gen Parabolic V hulls on the XP... the higher seat and front mounted engine is great in the turns... I know right a 4 stroke in a GSX/XPL or ideally a X4 hull would be a dream... but these days realistically my hope is a faster spark, as thats more realistic... We can all dream... I don't actually have an issue with Polytech as pretty durable and less issue with beach/trailer marks etc. And if they use Polytech 2 on the spark vs the standard polytec that would be mega strong for a faster spark. Thanks for watching
Great video
Thank you for watching and supporting 😊✌
Great video, very nostalgic for me my first ski was a 95xp at 15 years old then a 1997 gtx with the 787 engine. Both machine 100% different from each other but both very fun. You need to find a 2000 gtx for your collection, so stable, dry ride, and best of all it ride in chop water fantastic.
I love this... so cool to hear your origin on the XP... I love my 1995 XP 717... So much fun... As for the GTX... my dad actually had a 2000 millennium GTX 951 carb and I have amazing memories of riding this as a kid... I sure in the future I may get a GTX but for now, my main love is 1-2 up skis like the XP as they are more tippy... I love skis that are harder to ride to test your skill level... Thanks for watching dude 😊👌
@@classicjetskis if you like hard to ride ski, try to find a seadoo hx that will be awesome. BTW I love your content and your collection of retro ski. Merry Christmas 🎄
I'm a huge fan of the last gen in the red.
I agree the 2003-2004 XPDI's are still to this day my favourite looking xp of any gen XP full stop... the viper red is just stunning... I love the yellow on the other models don't get me wrong, but that red flying along the water is a master piece. Thanks for watching and supporting dude ✌👌
awesome vid thank you im a blaster fan but still love the XP
Thank you man, appreciate you watching... and like you, I love all brands, I do have a soft spot for the XP though, as grew up wanting one... The Blaster 2 I have is so much fun, but dying to find a B1...
Good video, but the XP Limited or XPL models (97-04) with the parabolic hull and spring seat belong in a different category. I did not care for the H4 hulled XP models, but dearly loved the XPLs. I owned two 97s with the 785, one 99 with the 951 carb and an 03 with the 951 DI. The DI XPL was IMO, the greatest ski ever made. It used about half of the fuel of the 785 at WOT and with 16 gallons of fuel, had the longest range of any ski. I owned one of the 97s and the 03 for over 20 years. I currently own two RXP-X-300s, 21 and 23. I would buy a new XPL if BRP started producing them again. Unfortunately, the Spark is no XP of any vintage.
Thanks for watching buddy, appreciate the input to the discussion. I know for different people the XP means different things, but I personally love all gens for their own merits. What you have to think is when they moved away from the X4 XP, they were looking for a riding step change. Whilst not every riders cup of tea (English phase right there) the parabolic v provides a great buoy cornering experience when rode correctly, where it falls short is it got too heavy, thus loosing a lot of the connection with the water... the X4 when rode correctly gives you the rider, complete control... the final gen parabolic V XP started to move towards more rider compliance and became a lot easier to ride. I love that we share the same consensus on the 951cc XP with the direction injection... like you, my 2003 XPDI is actually a pretty fuel economical ski compared to its carb brothers, but for me its the fact the power band is more linear, similar to modern day experience, but it still has the 2 stroke power.
As for Seadoo reintroducing an XP parabolic V, that would be absolute goals my friend... they have already demonstrated they were able to bring back a similar die to the X4 XP in the spark (the spark is very similar just very under powered). I don't think they would as they wouldn't want to take sales away from the likes of a RXP... IMO I would pick riding a old x4 or parabolic XP over the big cumbersome RXP any day... sure they are fast but they don't corner in the same fun way, an old ski does... heck I would pick riding my SP over the bigger crafts.. you don't need to go 70mph to have fun.
Thanks for watching dude.
Should do a Video on Tigershark Daytona
95 XP 717 and 96 SPX had different gauges. The XP had 3 while the SPX had 2.
Also X4 literally means 4th gen...so calling the X4 hull a Gen 2 is confusing haha.
And im surprised you didnt mention how the bottom of the hulls are way different, mainly with the 95-99 X4s having removable trim tabs so they can put on custom and aftermarket tabs with different angle degrees for different riding styles.
Basically all 951s have water ingestion issues due to the intake openings being facing upward. The changes were later in the airbox being able to drain water with 1 way valves. Theres also rubber flaps to help reduce water going into the intake boots.
The issue with DI engines are there just more electrical crap, from injectors and regulators, fuel pump and then they also have an extra air compressor piston added to the engine which fail, and can cause issues and run the engine lean and ruin it.
Cables and carb jets are easily available...alot of the DI electrical stuff isnt so much readily available.
Fuel pump fails and you're looking at $600 for a new aftermarket one as new oem isnt available.
I believe an air compressor rebuild kit is about $300, again no oem ones available only aftermarket.
For a mere $150 i can get a full carb rebuild kit and choke and throttle cables are about $100-160.
Even a new oil injection cable is only $30 for the carb version...one for the DI isnt even available new anymore.
You covered alot in this video tho...some things you forgot.
You mentioned the manual trim in the 92 but didnt mention the electrical vts trim in the newer ones.
Also maybe should mention the gas tank recall, or maybe do a separate video on that?
Great video though. Love the clips of the old 90s seadoo marketing footage. I have alot of that too, was afraid to use it for copyright purposes tho.
What can I say dude, informative as ever 👌👌I hear what you're saying re number of gens but I think my breakdown in terms of aesthetic generations makes sense and easy for people to wrap their head around... I did cover the hull differences between 1993-1994 and then 1995-1996 and the fact the X4 is a huge improvement to the Gen 2 SP on the 1993-1994, but in terms of visual differentiators in reality its the exact same top deck design... We call 1997-2004 the same gen even though lots of details changed in those years, as like I say when a model looks the same, most call this the same gen even though details change, otherwise every year could be called a different gen... for me a gen is easiest described as the overall aesthetic generation. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, but that's my take on it.
I know you wanted me to cover more and maybe I will make a follow up covering the areas I missed, but things like electric trim vs manual... when I mentioned manual trim I recall saying something to the effect of, 1992 xp had manual trim unlike the later electric... The main focus for me was around the hull changes which I think I nailed but if I make another video I will try cover these other areas...
Re your thoughts on the DI, as discussed before mate I disagree... my Di has been fantastic and comparable to carb maintenance is night and day... your argument/complaint of more complexity is unfair as the DI used more complex engineering and was the start of the direct injection, so as with any engineering it takes a while to get it right... in the same way the white engine block vs yellow on the early xp/sp had cooling issues that got worked out... and no I'm not saying DI is the exact same as this example but what I'm saying is engineering takes years to get right... everything nowadays is DI and we take it for granted... My Di for the first 25mph is as quick as my dads RXTX 300... I have rode a RX carb 951 and GSX 951 and neither had the smooth power band to pull and do this... DI is smooth and effortless... I love a carb but you really should give more love to the XPDI... its a great machine, I think the DI is best described as a high performance athlete, as in when running right its untouchable, but isn't exempt to injury, as is no ski... The way I would conclude this point is a correctly maintained DI vs a correctly maintained carb... the DI will be on the button every time a carb will not...
As for the fuel tank, I agree this needs a separate video I think... I think you know more than me on this so could be a good one for you to cover mate.
As always thanks for watching and appreciate your input and take on things
The hx would probably be worth a history video
Agree dude, I will definitely be making a number of different model history videos like this, I really want to do the blaster 1 aswell. Thanks for watching dude ✌😊
Great video Joe
I had xpdi and loved it probably the best ski I ever owned I was brought up on 2 stroke ski,s and motorbikes and like you I'm keeping the classic 2 stroke s alive in the bike world. What I'm saying is I own four stroke s but nothing comes close to 2 stroke machines.
Questions will you be buying a x2
And what about a 3d
Love this Andy, like you I love the XPDI so much... had so much fun on it and great machine.... good to hear you are keeping the classics alive in the 2 stroke bike world... I do love the old 2 smoke crossers...
I will most certainly be getting a X2 along with a B1, if I can find clean examples... very very hard at this point, but it will happen for sure.
Thanks for watching dude✌
I currently own a 2000 rx 951 carb model and a 1997 spx and everytime I bring them to lake with groups of people with four strokes everyone wants to ride them most popular by fare
Likewise... I totally resonate with this! I think its the fact most assume more speed means more fun... most fun happens up to around 40-50mph, twisting and turning, jumping, falling off etc... and these old crafts just do this to a T... the newer skis IMO are more about speed and rider compliance. I honestly don't think seadoo designed these with the mindset to test riders skill and even for them to need to fall off any more.. BTW I love the 951 RX... is it the silver and red millennium one... if so I love this year colour way... they changed to the all yellow in the following years.
Thanks for watching dude 🙌
The GTX happened. Sorry. I was part of that. My family had a 1992 when I was 13. I love them all.
Nothing to be sorry about my friend, the GTX... and larger crafts are great machines but are definitely a different market to the 1-2up XP and alike... they are completely different machines for completely different riders... the GTX wasn't reasonable for the death of the XP... the XP ran along side the 3 seaters throughout all of the 90s and into the 2000's... the XP was taken over by the RXP in 2004, its odd though as at least initially the RXP was essentially a rebadge XP... Thanks for watching and great to hear you have been on these great machines from back in the day 😊👌
Also i think in 97 with the larger hourglass hull change, the XP kinda began to evolve into the RXP model, with BRP moving more towards larger hulls with larger powerfull engines. You also have the larger and still versatile RX and RXX models.
Good point... for me though the parabolic V with a 951 still has its own unique riding feel, which still feels like a vital part of the XP story model arch.... I love that a stock 951 XPDI holds its own to this day... stock that is... a X4 does not... sure if you mod one then yeh its a different story, but a parabolic xp has the best of 2 stroke but a more realistic platform for riding both course and sea to this day...
Me and megs can go out on our XPDI all day along side my days rxtx rs 300 and it holds it own... a 717 can't... I'm sure a 787 is better but you know me I'm a stock man... I'm sure you will say a modded x4 787 will hold its own, but you wouldn't ride a x4 2 up for long... a XPDI you can get away with it... the same is true of my gsx ltd 951... they have a great connection with the water plus more power out the box...
For me the X4 is a playful ski for spinning and jumping on the shore edge or lake buoy to buoy.
I love them all and like to lend into appreciating the merits of all skis.
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I dont know..to me, Im more comfortable on my X4 (96XP) than my 04 XPdi.
And with the higher seat on the 04 XPdi its even harder to ride 2 up. With my short fiance (4'9") and her 8yr old daughter, its way better to give one of them a ride on the X4 than the 04XPdi cuz of the XPdi seat being up higher..and forget trying to reboard the XPdi in deep water if you fall off with 2 people.
I have an aftermarket step on my X4 so that helps, have not added one yet to the 04XPdi.
I guess everyone's different... me and megs prefer to ride the XPDI 2 up vs the x4...the x4 feels small compared... and honestly never had any issues getting back on... we are both light and nibble though so can see how it could be hard but we have the perfect balance act to get on all these skis... as I say I love them all... the best ski for 2 up and still having playful fun is the spark all day mate...@@GCEXTREMEMN
@@classicjetskis yep..and if youre taller the higher seat on the XPdi probably is better, probably more leg cramped on the lower seated X4.
But i still feel like when it comes to the professional racing circuits I see more X4 hull skis being raced than the parabolic hulls...of course all of them are modded for racing and not stock
Yeh good point, thats a very good point I always fine my legs feel more cramped on the x4... I love it but might be why the xpdi feels more natural to me....
As for racing I think in closed short course the x4 rule mate@@GCEXTREMEMN
The HX played an important role too with the suspension seat to add G force to keep the pump hooked. The XP is greatest ski ever made. I was a HX owner of of still believe I could beat any ski in a buoy course even a 300HP
Very true, the HX was the test bed for the parabolic fully fledged XP that came after... I have literally just picked up a HX which I will be fully restoring and will be making videos on... I will bring more exposure to its history...although sadly it was only around for 3 years... from what everyone has told me its a great machine. I also believe you that you can hold your own on a HX... they carve insanely well around a course. Thanks for watching dude ✌🙌
Yeah it corners. The biggest miss was the manual trim. If trimmed all the way down you could submerge the entire thing. I used to to use as freestyle too. PM any time if you have questions about the HX. I have that thing memorized inside and out. If it skids out though. Hang on, you’re go for a ride. But if you do skid. Feet on one back corner and pull up and enjoy the show.
And you’ll love working on it. So much room in it. I wonder what a 951 would do in their with an electric trim. Too bad the 951 engine was crap. I had a wave raider, 96 GSX limited, 98 XP, and the HX. Yamaha 701 motors is the greatest engine ever built. But I could easily beat anything up to 65-67. In a closed course. The hole shot lagged but I’d make up for it quick. When drive. It’s a gun point and aim and throttle in that turn
I did see you can fit the trim from other XP's as the holes are there to drill out on the HX... I have already tracked down a fuel LCD gauge and tach gauge as these were optional extras... still trying to workout the wiring I need... I have found a fuel sender that will fit and also oil sender... I'll keep you posted on that....Can't wait to get out on it and play around like you have said @@Snikliw
I love the 951... great power and out the box 63mph... It would be cool to see a 951 in a hx but for me its going to be a pure OEM restore as always as thats what I love.... I do love the yamys also...@@Snikliw
I have a three pictures of my kids (8 and 3) on my 95 XP I took two days ago you'd totally appreciate (they love that mahine) -- how can i share them with you? Cant find an email address.
Man thats epic! You can either email me at classicjetski@gmail.com or follow me on Instagram or Facebook and drop me a DM. Thanks for watching
Thank you so much for the time you took to explain the history of the xp, I have an 94 xp with a yellow hood, and I'm trying to figure out how to wire the triple gauges ( rpm, LCD, mph) would this be possible? Thank you once again
Hey man! I'm glad you enjoyed the history of the XP, thanks for reaching out and for your kind words. That 94 XP with the yellow hood will have been retro updated by someone as it would have originally been green. Wiring the triple gauges (RPM, LCD, MPH) should definitely be possible, but it can be a bit tricky. I’m actually in the process of updating my HX to have gauges so doing the same thing at the moment. You’ll need to check the wiring diagram for 1994 model to make sure everything is connected correctly. If you need detailed instructions, then the Facebook groups have some super helpful dudes that have done everything when it comes to these machines. Keep me posted as keen to hear how you get on. Thanks for watching ✌
@@classicjetskis That sounds awesome, can't wait to see your HX, I was lucky enough to get a wiring chart from someone on a seadoo Reddit, those guys are great, don't have Facebook to join the 2 strokes family there😭, continue giving us great content, and as always stay safe, ride hard and have fun my friend👍🏾🙏🏾
EFI will beat a carb as the efi allows total control over the fuel curve.
Shame they never got the E-Tec...800cc 160hp emission compliant
The weird shapes now in BRP's words are the clients now grew up with transformers and all the designs of all their stuff reflects that.
Do you mean RFI? If so I must admit, I don't know a lot about these machines.. I have some buddys who have them... talk to me? Yes thats a good point, the modern stuff does tend to have a more futuristic look to it... Its the times I guess, that said, I love my gen 1 spark fighter pilot product styling... more so than the softer latest gen 2 spark they brought out... There is no doubt though, the OG skis from the 90s RULE! Thanks for watching dude 👌✌
@@classicjetskis you might still have same WOT power but the bonus is custom curve at every rpm point plus uses air temp etc to adjust constantly.
Except when its done for emissions you might not feel any more power.
The next version was dfi and that really cleans up emissions and makes power saves oil etc.
Two strokes are fun yep but they do pollute on a big way.
I'm upcycling 🤷♂ all jokes aside I hear what you're saying but people forget new gen machines also use combustion engines and sold in the masses. Yes a 4 stroke and direct injection is more environmentally friendly but the philosophy is the same. I appreciate you watching but I think saving and keeping a 30 year old machine going vs going to landfill is important vs the throw away culture we see today.
I have two XP's from 88, wouldn't that be considered gen 1?
If you have 88's thats not XP's that is called SP's... The first model Seadoo launched (other than there late 60s 1968 320 model) was called the Seadoo SP in 1988 and was a 580cc.... this used the gen 1 SP flat bottom hull.... the first XP wasn't seen until 1991 (the purple and green one I have). Thanks for watching dude ✌😎
They both are identical and say XP on the side and in the decals. Green bottom and top with mirrors and VTS control. They are both dated 88 on the back.
Interesting... Well as I say there was never any XP's made in 88... The first XP was not officially produced until 1991... If you have a green bottom thats a gen 2 1993-1994 XP hull... what might have happened is someone added XP decals to an 88 SP and maybe sprayed the hulls green... I've seen weird things with skis, like with car badging, owners sometimes add incorrect parts/decals and try emulate better skis... like when people make replica Ferraris but under the hood is a Ford... It could be that sort of thing going on.... If you fire me a pic to my Instagram I would be able to help more. Thanks
90's sea doos rule
Damn straight! They really do, thanks for watching dude ✌👌