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- Are AMD Graphics cards BAD at Ray Tracing?! This pc gaming graphics card test looks at ray tracing gameplay on the RX 7800xt pc build, vs the rtx 4070 to see amd vs nvidia!
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00:00 Is AMD BAD At Ray Tracing?
01:18 Test System Overview
01:56 Cyberpunk 2077 4K Gameplay
03:32 Cyberpunk 2077 1440P Gameplay
07:01 Returnal Gameplay
09:15 Ratchet & Clank Gameplay
10:53 Control Gameplay
12:45 Alan Wake 2 Gameplay
16:11 Testing Against The RTX 4070
19:48 Final Thoughtsh - Наука та технологія
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What is your overlay tool that shows pc latency?
4:22 [AMD rtx || VS || Nvidia rtx] text-green-game-over???
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Can you reccomend some awesome cards to pair with a Ryzen 9 5900x.
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I have a 7700xt and can't fault it. Getting over 200fps on RDR2, so I don't understand why UA-cam people slate AMD.
My asus tuf 6800 has been awesome for two years no big problems. 1440p over 180 fps pretty easy with some in game setting tweaks
Love my 7700xt
$2.19 trillion is why
I think it's for views mainly, I had been on Intel processor and Nvidia cards for 15 years before switching to all AMD. It's been a stable and fast system, providing the same performance and stability of any of my other builds. Probably be on AMD based gaming systems for the foreseeable future. I switched because the Nvidia and intel tax is getting outrageous.
isn't that game like 20 years old
Nvidia forced me to love AMD
amd forced me to quit competitive shooters because of latency but whatever
u must have done something rly wrong lmao @@BrandonCole-sc7pq
You're one of those who wish AMD to become good just so you could get NVIDIA for cheaper?
@@GrainGrownNah, I bought 7900xtx
@@BrandonCole-sc7pqyapping
Here in italy I couldn't find an rtx 4070 under 600€
Found a slightly used Power Color RX 7800 XT RED DEVIL at 450€
The choice was a no brainer
And I'm having a great experience with it
And AFMF is underrated cause it can be enabled in any game, like Elden Ring which is locked at 60, with afmf it's 120fps with around 27ms frame gen latency according to the amd software and personally I couldn't notice the difference playing with a controller. The thing that I did notice is the overall fluidity of the gameplay, it feels way better. I know there are mods to unlock it but you can't play online with them
I went for the 7900 XTX, and no real problems on my side either.
thats actually a thing that i didnt have on my radar. using the driver level frame gen to get around fps locks, very big brain
fluid motion frames is neat tech. While still in its infancy i have been happily impressed. Helldivers 2 4k ultra i see around 120-160 fps with afmf on, fsr off on an 7900xtx
AMD ftw but PC is one mfr to avoid if at all possible their warranty and CS are shit the few $ more for XFX or sapphire is worth it hands down
@@konnorj6442 from what ive heard power color is one of the best aib partners of amd. ive heard much worse about xfx. Sapphire is the true goat tho, they have basicly reached EVGA levles
Atm I'll always choose framerate and resolution over RT. I'll reduce upscaling also before I'll enable RT. If the game SP will hold a lock of 70 or more, I'll use RT. There's been a lot of times I chose 120 or higher, and just disabled RT, because I find the frame rate far more noticeable than the RT in almost all games, for now. This goes for my Nvidia and AMD computers (LAN in the house).
Yeah I completely agree, not only the bad latency when using it but you do lose detail when upscaling vs playing it natively and I'd rather have a smoother experience personally.
You'll never get it locked at that framerate in Cyberpunk with RT at 1440p except maybe with a current gen flagship. The poor optimization and crappy game engine just tanks performance on most GPUs in certain areas. I've never seen bigger fps swings in any game except maybe Starfield. But who cares if the framerate drops in New Atlantis when you're just running around doing errands? The one time you have to fight in New Atlantis, framerates are much higher because they are only rendering a small part of the city and the rest of it is just blocked off.
Meanwhile, if you drive through the wrong part of Night City during a high speed chase, you're just screwed.
RT is just something you use when you have alot of fps but everything else is already maxed. I certainly wouldn't sacrifice Shadow or Texture quality for it
some of the newer games it's built in and can't turn it off
@@kennethpereyda5707 I have yet to find a game where RT is permanently on so if you could provide an example, that would be great. I suspect this isn't actually the case and you may have simply overlooked the option. It was enabled by default for FH5 even on a GTX1080, which actually wasn't as terrible as you might imagine...
It was easy to turn it off though. Really shouldn't be running RT on a 10 series, even if it is as basic as that found in Forza and you get playable framerates. It is still eating up tons of potential rasterization performance running RT instructions in software emulation on your CUDA cores.
7900 GRE (great option).
Funny thing, the 7900 GRE is 10% more expensive than the 7800 XT, but also scales almost directly in terms of performance as well, around 5-10% better perf than the 7800 XT. So now we've got two great midrange cards within eyeshot of each other lol.
Just got a Powercolor Hellhound last week. 13700k and this card is a lethal combo. Does everything I ask of it.
Always wondered why they named it the Golden Rabbit Edition
@@jerzy484I‘m still confused they didn’t named it the GBE, golden boy edition 😂
@@jerzy484 I think because it was initially exclusively launched at China last year, which was the year of the rabbit.
I have a RTX 4090 and RX 7800XT. Both are great video cards and once you've found the ideal settings and start playing games, I barely notice any difference. Both play all my games insanely good, granted the 4090 does push higher fps, but if you don't put a counter on the screen and stop looking for differences, the experiences are both amazing!
Same with the 4080 super vs the 7800XT. Turn off the counter you can’t tell the difference
In 4k you’ll tell the difference lmao
@bsgjj423 Yes, true. But I play at 1440p 165Hz.
hi, is there any reason why you picked 7800xt over 4070 super?
8k is way better to spot differences @@bsgjj423 😂😂
I have a 7900XT. When I bother with RT it's acceptable to me but it is also the 1st thing I sacrifice if I'm looking for more frames.
my 7900XT should arrive tomorrow. Im so excited to see what it can do. i also ordered a 7600x, 32gb 6000 cl30 ram and 3440x1440 180hz monitor. upgrading from a amd fx and gtx 960 so i bet ill be impressed regardless.
@@elitepauper7400 how is it?? my pc i built (but paid to have it put together) is done passing its testing n on the way and i got the 7900xt to go with a 7800x3d
I have a 7900XT it can do RT: Medium on Cyberpunk on max settings at a steady frame rate.
I think it would be more helpful to include resolution and a ballpark of where your fps are.
Because your comment could mean steady 10 fps at 1080p...
@@Lodorn Personally I played it on 1440p RT Ultra with FSR Quality, averaged around 75fps.
I'm not at my PC to test right now buy getting around the same with Medium RT and no FSR sounds right to me.
"steady" can mean 30
@@TheSometimeAfter it can mean anything as long as it doesn't flactuate much
RT still feels like a horrible tradeoff for me. Too costly and the graphic differences doesn't feel that ground breaking.
Mostly due to poor implementation, to make it fit to consoles, which are often much weaker in the graphics department.
Most of the Games shown, had no real RT GI goin, just a few handpicked features, like RT shadows or reflections, also i dont think that he turned Nvidia Reflex on, when testing the 4070, as this brings latency down almost to native levels when using FG and you dont insult an Nvidia GPU with bad FSR, but use DLSS.
Also due to the aforementioned reasons, the difference between, over decades used and improved, but time and spaceconsuming techniques, like baked in lightmaps and well done SSR and co, the differences can appear to be small, due to all the trickery involved.
While RT with Global illumination and all other Features active, dont use trickery, but real time lighting, which has real light sources, bounces, shadows, occlusion and reflections going for it...
And dont get me started on Full Raytracing aka Pathtracing...
Having that done in Real Time is a feature that is the future, as nothing comes near it, but it costs dearly yes...
But is used in film and photo for decades, just rendered frame by frame on big renderfarms instead on one single GPU in real time.
I for once, wont be playing Cyberpunk without RT Ultra and Ray-Reconstruction anymore (5800X3D at 1440P), it just looks so good!
The only limit being my 3080 12Gb, preventing me from using PT without having to resort to DLSS "Performance" which isnt recommended to be used,
as it introduces heavy ghosting and downgrades renderresolution drastically and introducing heavy artifacting...but RTX5K is coming so...^^
I can't believe they based this entire video off of a feature that most people keep off. Lol.
i found cp2077 more enyoable with 100 plus fps on high refresh screen than with 50fps and rt.. Just look at top games everybody is playing these days like Helldivers, Palworld, Baldur's Gate 3, online shooters and RT is nowhere to be found or always off in best case. I own 240hz screen, RT is secondary thing for me, fps destroyer..
I have just bought the 7800 xt for my first pc, moving from Xbox series s, and I cannot believe how good these settings look, it is amazing.
Bro about to do the same, have you tried apex legend or cod ? I take it you’re doing 1440p what kind of fps are you getting ?
You won't go back 😄
There is a reason for the saying "PC master race". Consoles have their advantages, but they cant remotely compete with an actual PC for gaming still.
@@dalehammers4425 PC Master races still lives as can now have Xbox platform or PlayStation Platform of theirs own software that will allowed us to play Consoles games on ours own PC
Have a 7800XT OC and 7900XTX Merc 310. Pricing been the main selling point and game bundles helped.
Really Great video as always. Thanks for naming the games you played, not all reviewers do.
Granted I have a 7900 XTX, but every game with ray tracing that I've played has performed well enough to the point where I can turn it on and not think "dang I wish I had something better"
Thats been my experience on my 7900xtx as well.
Which resolution do you two play on?
@@instagramaccount96 1440p because 4K is stupid for desktop monitor gaming.
@@instagramaccount96 I normally do 1440p.
coping
My 7900xt is a beast. I came from a 2060. On Cyberpunk with rx enabled it does more than 100fps @1440p as long as you don't enable ALL rx features. super happy with my experience
Yes that’s my next 💪🏾
I have a 7900 XTX with 5000x3D...Now let me tell you a quick story!
Always a 1440p gamer and it's the sweet spot and still is..I had a RTX 4070TI..
But this card (the 7900XTX)..Has let me make the jump to 4k gaming with no performance hit what so ever(,on most games)..
It Handles Ray Tracing well..(not to the point of the RTX granted)..
But playing 4k and getting good frames is pretty awesome.
The software is really good once you get off your backside and learn to work it out and use custom settings it opens the card up to a whole new world!!
So don't believe everything you read in the forums,you sometimes need to take that leap of faith.
(There are some good UA-cam tutorials out there also)
AMD cards don't have B-PP, I simply can not buy a S-PP card :/
Will there be a Video soon about the RX 7900 GRE?
Im currently in process of a 7800x3d build with the 7900xtx. Loved your recent video on it actually helped me find a way to save insyead of overspending on a cpu
Just built my PC using the 7800x3d and the Sapphire 7900xtx Nito+ 🤟
Glad its working great. It will be my 3rd pc went from a msi laptop to my current pc i traded from a friend. This will be my first build an Definitely nervous. @stevenjones5277
I'm waiting for the new Ryzen 7 9800X3D coming this year to pair with my 7900XT
Just built my first pc using 7800x3d and power color hellhound 7900 xtx and loving the experience so far. Playing cyberpunk and rdr 2 the way I want to has been dream come true
@@jerzy484I highly doubt Zen 5 X3D chips will come out this year. Regular Zen 5 CPUs will come out first, then you have to wait for other versions after AMD has sold plenty of the first ones. Zen 4 came out September 2022, and Zen 4 X3D came out March and April 2023. That's 6-7 months after the initial launch.
An RX 7900XT isn't fast enough for the 7800X3D to bottleneck it so waiting for a slightly faster CPU probably isn't going to make a noticeable difference. Edit: Either way, don't expect a next gen X3D CPU to come out for at least a full year from now.
7800xt gets me 85fps on Cyberpunk 2077 Raytracing Ultra FSR3 mod Performance Mode.
What resolution?
Raytracing you need a high end graphics cards. Next gen will be better with DDR7 with larger bus width
Thats not good... At all. If you are using frame gen mod you are like 40+ FPS tops... With upscaling on as well.
@@rowanhorsley761 The ray tracing accelerators are what need improvement. GDDR7 by itself won't be enough and not every next gen GPU will even have it. RDNA 4 won't for example but AMD also isn't going for a high end card for that generation (that's for RDNA 5). The 5090 might have GDDR7 but idk yet.
Turn Raytracing off, and then your FPS will be so good you could easily crank up so many more useful settings. Come on mate, I have an RX 6800 16GB. No need to cripple your FPS.
Well done video, mate!
What computer case and input fans are you using? ☺️
Love ur vids and im in the states, Love my new AMD 7800xt. Got the Merc edition from best buy, Havent noticed a hiccup from my 3060ti...In fact im newer to pc and i was able to put together a whole AMD system. 7800X3D cpu, and 7800xt Gpu. RT is not a huge priority on my list. only few few games u really care about RT
I'm thinking of going a similar build. Debating between the 7800xt or 4070 for 1440p gaming.
@@johnnyjets23437800 xt is better future proofing, especially if you play at 1440p
@@johnnyjets2343 Go 4070 Super or 7800XT. Skip the 4070.
You upgraded from a 3060TI to a 7800xt?
I just did that very same thing with my i7 13700k. I had a 3060Ti 8GB and go ta great deal on the PowerColor Red Devil Limited Edition RX 7800 XT 16GB and I'm thrilled! It' s certainly in a whole new class and I's ecstatic with the framerates! Being a Sim Racer framerates count and as much as nVidia has done with Ray Tracing, AMD does a really good job at their iteration of Ray Tracing. Not all cards are equal which is why we have so many variants to choose from but I wouldn't trade the extra VRAM for better Ray Tracing, not a chance!✌
There could possibly be a situation where I am willing to take the hit on performance for using Ray Tracing. So far, I have not found it.
Don't forget heat and power consumption. It's painful to see consumption skyrocket the moment I turn on RT. I usually avoid it, in most games it really doesn't make a justifiable difference.
for me I don’t like their drivers
They are still on old gpu architecture
the deal breaker was the amount of bloat you get when downloading drivers. Even when you strip the driver it’s still bad.
Ontop of that I was getting 8.0ms of delay compared to 0.78delay on Nvidia.
@@silfrido1768 RDNA3 is not an old architecture, it's the first chiplet gpu in the world. RDNA as a series is only 4 years old, 2 and 3 are new generations of it.
What bloat, adrenaline is awesome software that can handle a ton of functionality that requires dozens of programs with nvidia, it also adds no overhead, there is no performance difference with it installed vs removed.
There are no latency differences between brands, are you talking about the low latency modes? Because AMD has that too.
@silfrido1768 the bloat you get when downloading amd drivers? Amd adrenalin driver software has been the one thing consistently better than nvidia. Nvidia is just catching up with the Nvidia app, and GeForce experience was real bloatware
@@Jay-mx5ky I don’t stream so I never used GeForce experience. I always strip the driver & only use hdmi component & the driver component.
@@silfrido1768just use minimal install then? otherwise you are just biased beyond belief
I got one two weeks ago, testing it still. Trying to figure out my best settings.
the problem with raytracing its a niche setting that requires a very expensive monitor and thats if the game ur playing supports it. I bought a 7900 xtx which was cheaper than 4070 ti at the time i bought it
I was waiting for someone to make a video like this 👍
while a 7700x and 7900xtx system is a lot more high end than what was shown here, I can raytracing ultra at 1440p with cyperpunk and get 65 to 80 fps
how are you measuring latency? I looked into Afterburner's list of monitoring categories and didn't find it... would it be "frametime?"
Helpful hint. I recent played through Metro Exodus and Control on Radeon. You can mod in FSR2.2 into both games. I played at 1440p, and with FSR and VSR combined, the games looked spectacular while running very well.
after owning a 7800xt with a ryzen 5 7600x my first and biggest concern was the systems stability. I did run into some stability issues at first which is understandable since it was a new product at the time but after a few months and driver updates I've rarely had any stability issues since then and the framerate is good with 99% of games @1440p resolution and so far it's been a pretty good setup for me.
Thats what I am running right now, I built it two weeks ago. I still havent tinkered with amd adrenalin to find good settings. You mind sharing any settings you run ?
@@badtrunks I’ve only changed the recording keybinds, for OC I leave it stock on the gpu and cpu just to be safe.
@@badtrunks What I do with my 7900XT is I undervolt it to around 1070 first and then increase VRAM speed to 2700 and Clock speed to 3010 and adjust my fan curve to the temperature. Also always add +15% power limit too.
@@jerzy484 Undervolting! I need to do that.
Increasing VRAM speed and clock speed, is that considering overclocking ? or is it seperate from the general overclocking, undervolting and stock configuration? How is the uplift in performance when increasing VRAM and clock speed?
@@badtrunks Check out Ancient Gameplays. He shows people how to adjust GPU settings in Adrenalin software. He's the reason my 6700XT doesn't use more than about 180 watts in any game (still using my trusty 550 watt Seasonic Focus GX PSU from my first build and haven't upgraded it yet). I undervolted, increased memory speed and min. and max GPU clocks and power limit which ultimately makes it use less wattage than stock.
My 7800XT & 7800x3d has been kicking ass. Helldivers runs awful on my pc though, which is weird because cyberpunk at ultra runs at an average of 133 fps but helldivers runs at barely 70-80.
I'm running 7800 xt with a 5600x and hitting 160 fps at 1440p, full screen and vsync off was a big difference for me
@@CopiumgoldI’m glad to hear it’s running well cause I was thinking about upgrading from my 3060 ti 8 GB to the 7800xt with the same cpu as yours
helldivers has some issues on rx 7000 cards. make sure you have the latest bios
I get told that I am picky for mentioning that 120 is better than 60. Now I've met someone that thinks 70-80 is "awful". I feel emboldened. Let's raise the standard XD
I recently switched from nvidia to an sapphire nitro + 7900xt and have benn super happy with it. I do use some Ray tracing in Alan wake 2 and cyberpunk without any issues, way over 60fps at 1440p.
I just got a 7800xt for my first build and it does everything really well at 1440p. I managed to get a reference model too and I love it
i own a 7900xt and get awesome performance at 3440x1440p. I went from 90fps average to 60fps with raytracing. only issue is i had to use fsr2 to reach that and it made the game look bad. Love this card because of the price but for sure recommend turning off raytracing and enjoy your native gameplay with high fps. Also that 20gb of vram is huge for this resolution
y but what is the usage of 20GB ? no game in this world needs that much not if ur only gaming... Id rather get only 12 or 16GB with DLSS and a way better graphic including RT than a bit of RT with fsr2 and an way worse picture over all
@@TheL4r5 I’ve played games that will use exactly 16gb of the vram so even tho it didn’t hit 20gb I still wanna make sure that games in the future that will use more than 16 can be very playable on my system. Nvidia would be awesome to have in terms of dlss and ray tracing but I don’t think the pure performance and price is worth sacrificing to have a little bit better picture quality now. Just some future proofing that I want plus a super good price on the gpu compared to the 4070ti super
@TheL4r5 This is a niche situation, but super high-resolution texture mods can use up that ram.
Specifically, I'm using 19GB of vram in cyberpunk with the 4k texture pack.
If you’re hoping and praying that games in the near future don’t get as intensive as Alan Wake and Cyberpunk, which eat the 4090 alive even with raytracing off. If I wanted to game at 4K 60fps, I’d buy a Series X. Let’s just say I feel a little stupid for buying an Odyssey G8 when even the 5090 probably won’t even be able to push it to its limits, at least my monitor is future proofed, but these graphics cards definitely are not. Not for a Native 4K 120+fps snob like myself lmao. I have a 4090 and I doubt I’ll buy another graphics card until we see 4K Native 120fps 1% Lows. I’ll bite the bullet and use DLSS or lower my settings until then
@@NL_Python don’t get me wrong things will always end up outdated and bad at some point. It’s just that for the money the 7900xt is gonna last me a long time with 1440p UW. I’m upgrading from a 3060ti and yes I do absolutely miss dlss but it is what it is lol it’ll end up lasting longer. Wish I had that 4090 but they cost as much as my whole pc😫
I've got the rx 7900xtx and it's really good but I just got samsung odyssey g9 57inch and I get about 60 to 80fps in games so can't wait for new amd gpus
7900xt owner here. Bought it for sim racing/triple 1440p setup and its doing an awesome job at that. VR was crap in the beginning but now that they fixed the drivers it handles my reverb g2 like its not even there👍👍
You can use framegen in every game on the 7800xt due to the driver implementation switch in the Adrenaline software, so you could probably push some smoother frame with RT in some of these games.
It can cause bugs depending on the game. For example in 2077 it causes HUD and text blur
Yes, but usually it is minor@@JustSkram
RT on my 7900 XTX is absolutely fine I have no issue with low framerates in ANY game I play RT maxed no FSR 1440p
In all actuality the 7900xt is beating out a 4070 ti super. I have an 7900xt running 1440p
im afraid it doesnt. 4070 ti s is cheaper and faster. :)
@@stigero??? The 7900xt is 699 while the 4070 ti super is like 800
@@stigero the 4070 ti is litteraly more expensive
@@dacbiet okay, weird, they are almost the same price for me. And the performancedifference is big in nvidias favour.
For content creators/streamers, is Nivida still king?
Not to bothered about ray tracing, just want to be able to stream in 1440p, use OBS without encoder issues, and edit on davinci resolve
use the AMD Adrenaline software to get the metrics and use anti-lag, aswell as sharpening and fluid motion frames :o
Do you ever sell these pcs you build? If so I would be interested I’m in the uk
I think on its own, it will perform incredibly well at ray tracing, but may be slightly worse when compared to the high end nvidia cards
As an owner of a 4070 ti super, rt is cool and all but its either a turn it on and look at it for an hour feature, or a bring your friends over and get them to look at thoes reflections (cyberpunk,witcher 3, alan wake 2) for the flex. Its honestly not THAT worth it. Still cool to be able to do though😂
@@slite3276lmao fair, but i cant say i relate. (radeon 8 integrated gfx ftw lol)
@@slite3276 I mean the 4070 ti super is far too weak for RT. The 4090 is literally the only card worth using RT on, and only at 1440p. Its still too weak for 4k rt.
@@Dempig i mean with NATIVE 1440p/4k? Yes… but tbh dlss on quality and im chillin on alan wake 2 ultra settings (rt ultra/ pathtracing high) at 60-80 fps at 1440p… frame gen can bump it up to 100-120 area. And tbh i see very very little difference in native and dlss quality sooo
@@slite3276 I dunno man dlss looks bad to me even at 4k quality, but if you dont mind then might as well use it. I vastly prefer native 4k, so unfortunately I cant really use rt. DLSS just looks very bad and soft to me.
I still prefer to play on native with no upscaling no matter the resolution, higher frame rates, lower latency, and no loss of detail with native is why I do prefer rasterization overall.
seeing that case reminds me of long ago, once had a pc case which had a fan of around 30cm(2 times as big as the fans in that case in the video) to 40 cm on top.
it was insanley silent since it could spin at low speeds yet it would move insane amounts of air and so keep everything super cool could do overclocking with m ore than 1gh on all 4 cores(which back then was around half of the default max frequency), while it was only passively aircooled, so the aircooler didn't even have a fan on it, just worked due to the insane airflow of that pc case, also 1ghz was the most I tried, since by the point I tried to push it that far the motherboard already was that old that it became unstable, I didn't go beyond that more out of fear or destroying the motherboard since the cpu itself would only get just over 30 to 40 degrees celcius which is around 10 to 20 degrees above ambient temperature.
that was also while the PC actually had 2 high end GPU's in it in crossfire.
the case was also shaped speciffically for such airflow since it would litterally become wider and round on the top.
sold that pc for kind of okay price for the hardware in it, but still often regret having sold it, not because of the hardware but only because of the case it was in since it turns out such cases are now impossible to find anywhere and noone makes such cases anymore. sold the pc for around €160 to €200 which back then was pretty little even for the hardware and concidering the motherboard wasn't as stable anymore, since that was around the secondhand value of those 2 gpu's in it, and back then looking at the secondhand market most stuff was much much much slower, much more expensive, and then next to that also often still unstable.
from 2060 to 7900 xtx :)
There's 7900GRE now 7700xt even less compelling and 7800xt is kinda hard to choose if price kinda close (this happen in my country their price just differ in silver amount and over build gpu lower 7700xt might cost same or more than the msrp 7800xt and now mid 7800xt cost the same with msrp 7900GRE) kinda in a weird position NGL 😅
7700xt value might actually be region dependent cus in different markets, the price diff between the 7700 and the 7800 is more than 50 bucks which might make the 7700 more worth it in some regions
I need to know about productivity. I edit video in Davinci Resolve. How is it running image generators?
My sister is trying to snatch my 5600xt so I might get the 7800xt for an upgrade. Not following pc hardware space these past couple of years, will there be a new gpu launch for amd and nvidia this year that I should wait?
I have a RX 7800XT 16GB by SAPPHIRE and Ray-tracing is pretty middling for me, same with resolution scaling.
me too pulse version,happy gaming mate
i try not getting caught up with numbers, i mainly just keep an eye on my cpu /gpu temps maybe the utilizations as well. if my gaming experience is smooth then I'm happy.
-Running on a ryzen 5600X with a 7800xt with 32 DDR4 @ 3600 speed. planning on stretching the lifespan of my am4 platform by 3 more years with dropping a 5800x3D very soon.
ofc u wont see much dip in titles that are console ports since their RT implementation is on the lighter side.
in Control you said you are running 1440p but when you go to settings it shows 4k.
How do you measure latency? MSI Afterburner? Which option is it this PCL?
I am getting ~ 194 FPS at 4k in Nightingale and that is all I care about right now
I know from experience that the Radeon cards are beyond worth it. I’ve had several of the last 3 gen of cards and i settled on a 6950xt for now. It does everything i need and does it better than i need, i play 144fps 1440p and even with medium rtx on some games (only time i use it at all) it gives me great image. Mostly don’t care about RTX anyway so its even better
Previous card before that was a 3070ti and needless to say the 6950 was a masssive upgrade because the 370ti couldn’t handle ultra setting of any game at 1440p rtx or not
what telemetry are you using? doesn't look like MSI afterburner and not aware of the latency counter in afterburner either...
got a 7900xtx myself and basicly you can adjust so many things to adjust the performance. I normally put 4K 120Hz as the go to setting max all out exept the Psyco settings and put dynamic resolution put low latancy on always on FPS games FPS is then between 60-120 and latency around 10ms i tend to not check FPS during gaming but the experience is great. Normally i tend to undervolt and reduce the Fan curve so that the card makes less noise so i assume i am leaving some performance on the table.
personally i buy nvidia for dlss not RT
Well DLSS unlike RT actually is useful....
i personally wouldnt do that. fsr is fine at 1440p i went from a dlss card to an fsr card and ive yet to be dissapointed in visuals as long as it isnt the fsr1 implementation which thankfully barely any game uses these days
Why do our jobs when we can DLSS
You should do the 7900 xtx
I agree do the same testing with a 7900xtx
I have a 7900xtx doing 1440p max settings with fsr quality and medium ray tracing, solid 60fps but once I set high on ray tracing I noticed it went down to 50fps in dogtown.
I have a question and wondering if you can help. Is it better to run two sticks of ram with 64gb with xmp or 4 sticks of ram that equal 64gb ddr5
I've got a 6650xt and it was 50quid less than a 3060 and it's getting me 120fps at 1440p on dayz modded servers so I honestly can't fault it. The adrenaline software is much better in my opinion too
raytracing should be a great experience if it's low, especially with rx 7000 series
Misinformation. Frame generation saves nvidia. With both at their full potential, manual overclock, and frame generation enabled. The 7800xt is equally as good as the 4070 at Ray tracing. It is even better at higher resolution because it does not run out of vram. I've compared both. At 1440p they are about the same. The 7800xt outperforms it at 4k and higher, upscaled obviously. I have receipts.
@@DwaynedaGamer Yeah, frame generation is ass
@@DwaynedaGamer no it actually isnt. 4070 is bettter at rt. check daniel owens comparision
@@daedalus6433 I think it has it's uses, but also drawbacks. The fact is , Nvidia has been using it as their marketing ploy in there efforts to convince people that their GPUs are good at ray tracing. AMD is definitely not a long way behind, especially if you take into account that Nvidia has a generation head start.
@@smoothkebab I don't think you read properly what I said. Frame generation saves the 4070. If you apply the same technique on the 7800xt, which can be done with the fsr3 Mod, and with both manually overclocked. The 7800xt outperforms the 4070 overall. At 1440p they are similar performance. At higher resolutions, the 7800xt outperforms it because it does not run out of vram. Forget about Daniel Owen, he doesn't oc his cards nor does he use the fsr3 mod to give an idea of the potential performance boost that AMD cards are missing.
I have yet to see a game where enabling RT is a net benefit.
The hit to performance is too drastic, and arguably doesn’t look any better - just different.
Yeah, real time lighting/reflections makes no difference to image quality! /s
Cope harder.
@@JordanJ01 he said it isn't net positive, not that it doesnt make a difference. It eats a lot of fps, and sometimes when the quality of RT is low it can look worse than rasterized version of the image.
@@JordanJ01pay a company $5000 more dollars just to have better reflections? Yeah I'd be pretty upset too if other people enjoyed gaming by paying less. 😂
@@TheMrRadish Sounds like a complicated way to say "I can't afford a GPU that can actually use ray-tracing at playable frame-rates"
If you think path-traced quality can be achieved with rasterization, you are delusional and obviously don't understand how ray-casting works.
@@JordanJ01 at the time no one can, because to properly use ray tracing without annoing artifacts you would need a GPU more powerful than 4090. At low light with dlss quality on 4k you can still see a lot of smearing (and when using Ray Reconstruction oil painitng look) which is not present with rasterization even on lower resolution. It is also more blurry overall. If you value lighting more than clarity of the image then it may be worth it- but some people want to enjoy clean image with a lot higher framerates.
Hey mate what’s the overlay your using for the latency metrics?
Hi I have a question aio liquid cooler that have thermo paste on them is it better to add more on the cpu of what ever is on the aio liquid cooler is enough?
Pre applied is the right amount
When it comes to efficiency people tend to trash amd. My xtx out of the box likes to draw 400w which is insane in comparision to a 4080. But tuned the card will not draw above 300w while maintaining out of the box performance. I also didn´t have a single driver issue. Since the last driver update the card draws about 15-20w less on youtube. Just wanted to leave that on here.
Just curious, would you mind sharing your settings for your XTX? I know you can't generally use the same settings. I have a small memory OC on my XTX, and a custom fan curve, but I didn't know if I wanted to change power or voltage. It's very quiet now, but I use frame caps, which helps a lot.
min 2400mhz/max 2700mhz 1080mv pwr at +15% and vram at 2650mz @@TheCgOrion
Idk, seems like my comment got deleted or something. My settings are min 2400, max 2700, 1080mv, +15%pwr and 2650 memory. @@TheCgOrion
@@UbanGerd Oh OK. You limited the upper range a little. Do you notice much of a difference in temp or power draw from using the 2400Mhz minimum? Thanks Btw.
Maybe 3 degrees. But i have the red devil model which is very beefy. When i lock the frequency to 2400mhz max, the card uses about 40w less but i loose about 5 fps. @@TheCgOrion
I went with my first all white high end build last year with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 in the white phanteks nv7 case. The pc is a beast and I clean it once a month.
Would be interesting see what what happens if you throw in the 4070 super, which i chose over the 7800xt as it was only £50 more did i chose correct
I have the 7800xt sapphire nitro plus and this is exactly what i do with the resolution, use 2k instead of 4k with raytracing and it works well, change the default fan curve and undervolt and overclock a little works perfectly.
And what do you common normie think "2k" is?
I don’t need to think because I know, you common normie.
@@edwardshepherd9684 So you don't know what the K resolutions are and you're using them wrong. You must be a yankee.
I’m building my first pc and I don’t really have a set budget but I’d say it’s around $1,200. Should I go with the 1660 xt or is there better bang for my buck?
Hi I'm looking at Getting this graphic card please tell me if I play on a TV4k with hdmi 2.1 and 144hz does that mean I can play at 4k 120 fps +- in game mode? Please help 🙏🏻
i had a sapphire 7900xtx 24gb , but i met crash all the time during PUBG and APEX. some lag also in dota2. this is a bright new GPU and bright new PC. so i returned the GPU and plan to purchase a 4080super
The same happened to me but I was having issues with the drivers after the second day of owning it. At first it was like love at first sight and I figured I go with amd this time around. I was coming from a 3080 10gb so it was a big step up. Performance wise it’s a power house and at 1440p I was getting so much more frames although the 3080 was good too but I just wanted a bit more power. Anyways I ended up returning it for my money back and got me a 4090 and went back to nvidia and I’m loving it so far hahaha I do tend to get a 4k monitor soon enough but at 1440p man the card just destroys but it’s AAAAA LLLLOOOTTTT of money for a card yeah call me crazy but it is what it is. You only live once to experience the finer things in life. ENJOY UR GAMING 🙏🏻
Honestly i'd check if you fully uninstalled all past nvidia and display drivers as that can be the issue. I'd do that before downgrading a bit to the 4080 super.
@@jerzy484 this is a new build pc . All parts bought from Amazon italy and i installed new win11 system. I believe this is not the issue. I am waiting amazon return my money and i will purchase a 4080super to have a try. I saw some video about setting in Amd gpu . But it does not work. Still crash in pubg and apex. I met some crashes alsoin civilization 6 . I guess i had no chemistry with AMD gpu. I ll change any way
@@xbox360J yeah i agree. Try to have a better electronic product is always a good choice. If budget is not a serious problem.
thank you for doing this video, i can't tell you how much it annoys me that people still automatically say "amd sucks at rt" and I have a 4090 so im in no way bias. AMD is currently just a little better than the 30 series in RT witht the 40 series being about 30-50% faster in RT (depending on game) and not using frame gen (which sucks by the way).
I have a 7900xtx so yeah software could be a bit better and sometimes I think optimisation is necessary depending on what you are doing
Perfect timing on this subject. I just installed a 7800xt and was having RT FOMO so I started looking at 4070ti Super prices.
nah man, i wouldnt worry about RT for like another 5-10 years.
4070Ti Super crushes RDNA3 when you turn on RT. You’ll be getting 2x the framerate of a 7800XT pretty easily and Cyberpunk pathtraced at 1440p will run well.
Besides raw RT power you also get much better upscaling. So for 4K with AMD you really need to stick to FSR2 quality mode whereas with DLSS you can get away with DLSS performance and still get respectable image quality. Plus DLSS3 frame generation comes with NVIDIA reflex for lower input latency and VRR works correctly, both shortcomings for FSR3 at the moment.
The latest rumors is that AMD is working on an AI based upscaler so that should be good but it won’t close the gap on RT performance. NVIDIA cards dedicate silicon to having RT cores.
imagine spending 500$ extra for fancy a$$ reflections.
I like turtles
same
but does turtles like you?
@thefurmidablecatlucky3 hope he does, got that thing a giant tank to live in, costs way to much for him not to
At the end of the day unless you only play single player story mode games you not gonna care about RT, especially if you only play multiplayer titles it pointless, only silly Nvidia fan boys would spend the extra money for a gpu with RT and not even use it
facts
I got my 7800xt hellhound at release and ive had no complaints, i usually play my games at ultra settings(1440p) with some ray tracing and usually get really good frames
I would like to see what happens if you Brute force the RT with a 7900XTX?
Can you do an AMD adrenaline software walkthrough?
Ancient Gameplays has made fantastic walkthroughs for that.
To play games with RT on you need a RTX 4080/4080 Super or a 4090 to get good frames. Below that, just turn off RT and enjoy your games.
When I play in 4k at 60fps, my latency remains at 16 ms. Why is your latency so much higher even at higher fps like 140?
Comment before the video:
Built a system with a 7800 XT in November, and so far? No complaints. I play at 1080p, and rarely play games that offer RT at ALL (the RE games and Shadow of the Tomb Raider being two of the few I do,) but (outside a few stability issues early on due to dialling in undervolts and early adopter driver issues)
the card does fantastic in the games I play at maxxed out settings. Perhaps that's just me being easy to please though.
Ok, so I actually have a 7900 GRE (the Sapphire Pulse model for £529) and I can tell you from experience - the idea that AMD can't do ray tracing is pure propaganda. It's an excellent card at light RT loads, lumen in UE5 and other lightweight implementations. I play at 3440 x 1440 and in Cyberpunk I can get 60 average FPS with RT reflections, RT local shadows and FSR2 enabled at quality scaling. I can get over 90 FPS in Amid Evil with RT enabled and maxed out, FSR2 quality. I get 100 FPS in Lords of the Fallen with FSR3 quality (includes framegen) and optimised settings, that includes lumen and nanite. And lastly, I get a solid 60 FPS in Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition with every Nvidia bell and whistle maxed out, including RT, and if I drop to 2560 x 1080 because Metro doesn't have FSR, I get over 100.
Where it gets tricky is in ridiculous RT workloads. So RT Overdrive in Cyberpunk, Path Tracing in Alan Wake 2 etc etc. And you know what? They're just like gaming at Ultra settings - dumb and pointless. You should NEVER enable oath tracing - it looks the same or in some cases worse than rasterised, it kills your performance, it forces you to enable upscaling, it generates more artifacts and bugs and it does nothing to transform the experience. It's wasteful, vapid and pointless.
Edit now I've watched the full video - yup, I was right, AMD 7000 series can do ray tracing and to say otherwise is pure propaganda. You just need to use optimised settings. Which you should be doing anyway, because you're on a PC. If you crank it up to ultra and then wonder "why does it not work" you're kinda a dumbass, and the exact kind of mark Nvidia loves with their price gouging and upselling. Just keep RT at low or medium, or tweak the settings so you're not doing stupid RT and you'll get decent framerates.
It's okay. I don't know why you feel compelled to justify your purchase in such a lengthy comment. Though telling people they're dumb for turning on settings that your card can't achieve does sound like copium to me.
@@AkaiSuzumenot really. your comment kinda reads *tell me you've never tried RT overdrive without telling me you've never tried RT overdrive*, but somehow i'm huffing copium by being aware of glitches, artifacts and unusable performance? kay. sure. which by the way, it's completely unusable on a 4070 or 4070 Super (4070 ti Super and 4080 Super are borderline, but playable with framegen and still look worse than rasterised). path tracing is dumb and you should never do it. it's no different than gaming at ultra settings - nice, but pointless and a pure flex.
@@anarchicnerd666Sure bud.
@@anarchicnerd666 u need to exchange you vocabulary. and what kind of gpu have you compared your gre to? your new GRE doesnt even beat the 3080 ti from 2021. :) but its good to feel that u got a great card i guess.
@@stigero lmao and so does the 4060 ti and 4070, you and that AkaiSuzume sure crying at Jensen's lap for advertising their cards here. lol
I have a 6900XT and I played Watchdog legion with raytracing at something like 1080@50fps with very early drivers.
I went for the 7800xt cos I wanted the extra VRAM and noticed I never used raytracing on my 3070 🤷🏻♂️ there’s a purpose for both team green and red, you just gotta decide what one is best for you. I also noticed I didn’t even use DLSS. An amazing ‘nice to have’ but I just never used it so it was somewhat redundant for myself
If you’re buying a 7800XT to play at 4k, you’ve dug your own grave tbh
I bought a 7800xt and I'm playing at 4k.
I played 4k well on my 6800xt. Got 7800xt now & its also great with 4k. Just finished Banishers Ghosts of New Eden & played through it in 4k getting well over 60fps & i only have a 5600x cpu. So what is the problem with 4k on these cards exactly?
@@PlanetGamz 😂 They must think this is a Nvidia card with 12gb that runs out of vram.. The amount of misinformation about AMD cards is frightening, especially the 7000 series. I don't know if they just honestly underestimate them or what. There is not one game I cannot play at Native 4k. Then there is the cheat codes like upscalers and frame generation. What are these guys talking about?...
@@PlanetGamz that is what i have too and it works people talk about high fps and then use a 60hz monitor at 4k ..
@@DwaynedaGamer4k low settings yea
I'm happy with my PNY 4070 Super. Small, and very efficient GPU.😊
Yup, it’s the best GPU at the 500-600 price range, it has the best raster and the RT performance for its price range.
@@camdustin9164 Yeah and especially if games support DLSS 3 and frame gen, even higher FPS.
@@camdustin9164What? The 7900 GRE beats it in rasterized performance consistently, and its cheaper. No point to lie like that unless they're paying you. And, if they are paying you, hook me up lmfao. Clearly your lie works cause this guy licked it up. I'll gladly get paid to pander to individuals that will fall for such things.
What other cpus you would you reccommend with the 7800xt?
I was solely AMD for years and a fanboy then i got a 4070 TI Super and oh boy what a difference, higher FPS, clear images, massive heat reductions and Watts usage, sad to say AMD are way behind, then this is Ray Tracing, just wow!!
Thinking about buying 4070 for 1440 p gaming is good choice ? ( Some 3d stuff too )
@@VAMPS000 the 4070 is only 8gb of memory. You will struggle at 1440p with Anthony above medium on AAA games. If you can stretch the budget to a TI Super you will be great. It’s about 800 euro here
I'm on amd now. It's ok, but I'm gonna go Intel and Nvidia on my next build. I want to know why they have over 80% of the market.
@@VAMPS000yea its very good at that res. W/dlss you'll be able to use raytracing as well w/60fps. Cyberpunk runs 1440p w/Pycho raytracing at 60fps dlss quality. And some 4k too w/adjusted settings. Was happy w/my 4070 while I had it. Actually selling it at the moment cuz I tracked down a 4080FE super
@@Gamer4Eireincorrect. My 4070 is 12gb
You do realise AMD has frame gen in Radeon Software for all games. And you clearly did not use it or chose not to. So biased
Alann wake 2 biggest difference for me was to play it in a Oled LG with HDR, that is a world appart from HDr on an IPS Monitor.
Happy with the 7800xt except the sacre the first weeks because of the stupid drivers that made the system to shutdown.
7800xt + 7800 x3D + 3440 x 144OP = Alan wake * 2 high setting + fsr quality i have 70 - 100 fps.
Go AMD :) stop give your money to NVIDIA.
*Alan Wake
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Keep learning English, kiddo.
@@GrainGrown You're so creepy, ... Can you speak French, kiddo ? I don't think so, go find a job and a purpose in your life bro :3 good luck
RT = gimmick.....
Nope.
I have the 7800XT PURE and I run my games native 1440p ultra settings, no RT. I occasionally test RT just to see how it looks.
i have an rx 6700 xt and when i turn on ray tracing i only really lose about 20-40 fps depending on the game the only one ive had a really problem with was that portal rtx it just refused to run any good :/
This video in itself feeds propaganda..
Instead of saying that the 7800XT is faster than a 4070 in rasterization shouldn’t you test it? Isn’t that the point of a tech UA-cam channel?
We have a full GPU benchmark video on the channel, went up last week!
@@PcCentricwill check it out, thanks.
@@PcCentric nice job on the benchmarking in the prior video ... as expected the 7800XT falls between the 4070 and 4070 Super ... that would be good information to highlight in this video too.
I have the same setup with the sapphire xt card. I’ll try it out
Heyo im completely brand new to pc gaming and I was hoping to build my own with the help of watching your vids and others but when you guys say for example “rtx 4070 ti” but when I look it up on best buy they have multiple different “types” of rtx 4070 ti and some have different gigs and they’re normally have different prices. So I was wondering if you or anyone can recommend a gpu that is a bit "worse" than the 4090?
If you're going for around the 1000 price range 7900XTX is the 2nd best GPU followed by the 4080 Super and then the 7900XT and 4080 are basically tied with the 7900XT being around 700 around 200 cheaper than the 4080. I personally have a 7900XT but all you need to know is Nvidia for Raytracing and AMD for normal gaming.
@@jerzy484 what’s ray tracing?
@@jerzy484 I heard that I should get a gpu with higher gigs and I would’ve thought the higher the gigs the more expensive but on Best Buy the 7900 has 24 gigs and the 4080 super has only 16 but almost $200 more, why is that? Also thanks for the help.
still not buying amd
until next gen
Don't. They are such hit or misses in terms of software
honestly my nvidea gpu is just as unreliable@@navdeepsingh3508
Have an Asus tuf 6800 and it’s been great personally, my only gpu tho haven’t had a Nivida.
I'm currently on a gt 770 that's on its last breaths@@stonecoldkittle4664 so I really have to upgrade