Long time Firefox user here. Every time I've bought a new computer or phone from the late 2000s onwards, I've downloaded Firefox and transferred everything across. I'll continue to use Firefox for as long as it exists.
Same here. I feel like i've been using Firefox since it's release at this point. I've never had any major issues with it as far as i can remember and will continue to use it for as long as i can.
Med too. I have seen no reason to switch. I have the Chrome browser too and use it ONLY when I want to search with google. But I use Firefox 99% of the time with Duck Duck Go as the search engine.
I can never not use Firefox. Too good, far more trusting, and less restrictive than overlord browsers. I only use chrome for manga bookmarks lol. Slowly been replacing it with Brave over the years.
@@scottlee38 I use both plus Floorp and Vivaldi. It depends on what I'm doing but Firefox is my most used because of the abundance of useful extensions.
Amazing how there hasn't been a lawsuit against it. Where you can basically site the same reason as Microsoft getting that anti trust lawsuit with explorer.
Wrong. Samsung phones have that thing that Samsung calls Internet Browser (sorry but it's straight up terrible) and people switch to Chrome. I know that it's already pre installed but you still have to find it and replace the Samsung browser with Google Chrome.
Firefox is not going anywhere. Firefox was cool back then and it's cool right now. Google apps & UA-cam works perfectly fine in Firefox & this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't let influencers get in your head & tell us it's over for Firefox. It's here to stay
Fun fact, most of the time, if something doesn't work on Firefox, changing your user agent to chrome make it mysteriously works just fine. Almost as if this was just sabotage. But hey, what do i know, right ?
Once he said that Firefox dominated and then showed at 30%, I knew to only trust what he said by his sources 😂 (which I've watched before, like Michael Horn)
Actually yeah, HTML5 was introduced way back around 2010 by the organization that still holds the main control over Internet protocols, the W3C, which could shut Google Down in an instant if that org decided to by simply shifting internet protocols to something Google would find very unfriendly to their business model. W3C doesn't have any reason to do this so far, however, so they allow Google to do their thing.
If you mean headless browsers, then I don't think they account for that much. 70% of visits are from phones, 70% of those use Android and 62% of those are Chrome as it's the default browser. There's where you get a lot of those numbers.
@@dominiksramko phones are pretty common for bots because they are cheap and low power. ive seen farms with hundreds of phones hooked up and mounted on a wall.
@ It is based on user agent. You can check the FAQ on statcounter. They do mention making an effort to eliminate bot activity so it doesn't affect their statistics, but who knows how successful they are.
Firefox isn't "dead", it's just underground. As long as it's around, we're good. Things are going to change soon enough, am feeling the daily frustration of people with pointless ads/interruptions etc. There's going to be a breaking point eventually.
I would only consider switching if Chrome on Android gets extension support. Right now, Chrome is simply behind and has been for a while. Also it should allow to access WebView settings.
Been using Firefox since Windows Vista, never even considered looking back. Open source, best privacy practices, and most important to me, not based on Chromium
@@real_mvp3811 Is that a sincere question? Firefox. It has been since Vista. Every OS I've had since then I have installed Firefox and set it as my OS's default. I'm a Windows power user. Changing the default browser and programs is a pretty basic thing to do for a power user
@@wisenber Does it though? Chromium, based browsers are required to adhere to Google's Chromium policies. A browser is only as private as the backend that runs it and Google is that backend for Chromium. Brave is Chromium based. I suppose you missed the part of my comment where I said "most important to me, not based on Chromium" Interesting how you missed that considering that the quote you pulled is directly beside the quote I just provided
Could it be possible that these browser usage stats are skewed? Perhaps since many firefox users use privacy addons, those are blocking the usage stats for firefox, translating to a lower than actual usage percentage?
Possibly, but also consider that since Firefox's high point internet usage on phones has gone from a niche thing to the most common method of internet browsing. Almost 100% of those phones are on Chrome or Safari, Firefox is mostly for PC so it's a segment of the smaller market.
while true, maybe some of it would be more accurate (excluding those who spoof the user agent), as Google Analytics for example is offering server-side analytics (where instead of the website relying on a script on each user's browser to collect the data and send it back, it'll be measured on the same servers hosting the website/webapp the user is using) so in which case your best defense would be trying to use something that blends users together and actually resists fingerprinting, as the days of simply being able to block third party tracking/fingerprinting scripts to opt-out on most websites are numbered. Edit: Of course stuff that is designed to resist or randomize fingerprinting even for unknown or server-side trackers (e.g. LibreWolf, Brave, Mulvad Browser or TOR Browser) has drawbacks on convenience and may break features you'd like or need to use on some webapps/sites.
@@fix0the0spade Firefox has been my main & favorite browser for 15~20 years on desktop, which is STILL where I do almost all of my internet browsing, but I never installed it on my iphone because I recall reading that it lacked some basic feature like syncing bookmarks between phone & computer, which would be an absolute necessity for me. But I'm scrolling through reviews on the app page now (both good & bad rated reviews) and can't find any mention of that being a problem, so now I don't know if my memory is effing with me. Although the amount of bugs of being complained about is still pretty daunting. So many that are serious functionality issues, and are repeated my many people, and are all from within the last few months. Plus there are features that people complain it lacks which developers respond confirming is the case (usually blaming "iOS limitations). So regardless what I did or didn't read in the past, it seems clear that the mobile version of Firefox is far inferior to the desktop version, and this may be a large factor in why so few people use it on their phones.
One thing i will never understand is the EUs antitrust lawsuits regarding browsers. The EU sued the crap out of Microsoft for having Explorer as default browser in Windows but they haven't done the same to either iPhone or Android that comes preloaded with Safari/Chrome or that Chrome OS comes preloaded with Chrome in the same way Internet Explorer was sued for.
Apple's market share is so low that the EU don't care about it as much. It was an issue with Microsoft because Windows has over 90% market share at the time.
The EU did force Google to pay a fine and Chrome isn't loaded by default on new Android devices. Instead you're given a browser install prompt on device load up. The fine came in 2018 and the removal of chrome as default takes full effect this year.
@@Daniel15auand despite that Apple got the sideloading decision and the payment one too so it would seem that the EU does care about what Apple does. but yeah, i think it is also true that Google does not get the same treatment as Microsoft did - if not on how closely linked things are but rather the way they seem to slow down other browsers accessing their products (like youtube or google docs… ) so yeah… there would be grounds for investigation
So many people don’t know the difference between Windows, Microsoft Office, and web apps. I was tearing my hair out on the phone to my GF the other day trying to ascertain whether she was using Word natively, in the Teams app, or online. She didn’t understand what I meant.
video literally starts out by saying firefox marketshare has gone from 30% to 3% tiktok must have ruined your ability to retain information for longer than 10 minutes or something sure he says later people have abandoned chrome on the grounds of privacy and the youtube adblock situation. but you already know that is a small minority of people. the vast majority of internet users just use chrome because that's what everyone else uses. privacy and convenience be damned.
Librewolf and Waterfox might be more your thing, then. They remove a lot of telemetry and other nonsense. Librewolf is the more extreme option, likely to cause site breakages due to how much it removes.
I use safari. its chrome light, it has less features, they steal my data, but I can have hundreds of tabs open without bricking my laptop. It is a good laptop though.
@@rohithkumarbandariHowever, Chrome does not have ad blockers built in, and no downloaded extensions. Therefore all the banner ads, data collection, trackers, etc. significantly slow down the browsing experience. These ads slow down the performance as its running in the background and gigging RAM. Firefox for Android has extensions you can download including ad blockers and other things.
Ads are still basically bloat of internet. Nobody cares about making legit ads there and most ads are just made as quickly and as cheaply as possible. It should be called not ad blocking, but resisting crappy software.
With all due respect. This video is incomplete at best. Take a look at Firefox's non-technical problems. The Mozilla Foundation already expressed their will to change from a Browser company to a "group of global activists". Aside from that, they had a lot of drama in the last decade, like the acquisition of pocket and the bonuses some executives received while the market share for Firefox plummeted.
I think they need a partner like Proton, which has a stable base of privacy interested paying customers. They need to find a way to adress people, who are likely to pay for security. To rely on Google is a bad idea, if your only selling point is, that you are a anti-google. First thing a new FF user most likely is doing (compared to Edge, Chrome and Safari users), is switching the search engine, because they care about privacy and Google knows.
"We need to go beyond deplatforming" or something like that, a few years ago, and the crazy investments of the firefox (mozila?) foundation made me quit, i used it since its release, but oh well...
Also CEO pay. There is an inverse correlation between market share of Firefox and CEO pay. While market share went to shit, CEO pay went from $500k to $7million.
Evil Microsoft: "We bought out and closed or assimilated most of our small and medium competition, as well as most promising software companies with that MS-DOS money. We also started bundling our own internet explorer for free with Win OS, killing all companies who were selling them. FU Netscape! Our OS is now installed on almost 80% of world's computers." Google: "Hold my beer!"
From what I remember, Chrome had a huge ad push during the time where people were looking for something to replace IE because of how bad it was. It felt like it just exploded in popularity overnight when I realized most of my friends back then started using it. It felt like Firefox was mostly known to the enthusiast market since they just couldn't advertise as much as Chrome could.
I switched to Firefox about 6 months ago and haven't looked back since. One time I was with a friend and we were planning to download something and he opened Chrome and I was immediately disgusted by the barrage of Google Ads and logos everywhere. I absolutely resent Google Chrome and have switched all my friends and families to Firefox.
Firefox is WAY faster then Chrome when I use it. I absolutely love it. Sometimes there are bugs on websites due to the prioritization for Chromium, but I have Chrome for some very small edge cases. For me I only notice problems on Google websites (haha). But as a developer myself, I put a lot of effort into prioritizing a consistent experience across Firefox/Chrome/Safari, etc. I hope that this starts changing.
FF is definitely faster if you change some things in about:config page. I don't know wtf Mozzila is thinking, but standard FF config only can use like 256 MB of disk cache and 256 MB of VRAM. Also there are some preloading/prefetching/prerendering settings. Dunno what exactly phc does, but turning it off feels like getting rid of constipation. Really some settings there look like they haven't been updated in two decades.
I’ve been a Firefox user since the Windows XP days. Recently however, I’ve been using Brave more than Firefox due to glitches on websites I frequent. My switch over to Brave was about three years ago, but I always keep Firefox installed on my PC to occasionally see if performance has improved and glitches were resolved… and for old time’s sake.
my reason for sticking with Firefox is that it's built with privacy by default, but it's so extensible you can harden it even more and control hidden settings
Brave has to keep changing its ad blockers to keep up with Google's constant crackdown. So as long as you keep updating the app, then you're good. But the issue is Brave drops support on older devices (on Android and iOS) so you're screwed if your phone's OS is outdated (can't update app, therefore ad blockers will not work anymore)... However, Firefox has extremely long app support, currently it still supports Android 5.0. Plus, Firefox has downloadble extensions while Chromium based browsers don't, so there are different ad blockers you can use and other extra things (I use one called Popup Blocker strict which is a much stronger kind of popup/dialog message blocker)
@@kosmosXcannon It`s a tandem, Brave is by far the best chromium based browser for privacy and add block - using it too. But FF ist the backup browser of choice. Would go with FF, if it would be as consistent as Brave by blocking Scamvertisment, or "customization" of youtube...
Brave will get much more inferior at adblocking because of Google. It can't keep supporting ManifestV2 when it's dropped from Chromium, hence why it's better to just use Firefox.
Well, we CAN save Firefox. If we want an ad-free experience. Ironically there's an old game called: "Starve the Fox". What we can do is to actually fund Firefox with donations. The more people who donate, the stronger Firefox gets, and the less power Google will have. Are we willing to pay for an ad-free, non-spyware browser? Or are we content just complaining until its too late to do anything about this?
Funny enough, I'm watching this video on Firefox right now. It's what I use when watching UA-cam on my Galaxy Tab since it supports extensions like UO on Android devices.
What I love about your channel you follow your own unique content path. I never thought much about Firefox and now an interesting video for me to learn interesting things about the product I use occasionally. Keep up the good work man.
If you put in the time and effort then you can learn to just give it generic information so that it is difficult for it to uniquely identify you (on desktop).
@ Would say we should do both, but switching is for the most folks more easy than going on a fight with full time MS programmers. After every update you have to clean up your MS and check all settings, you just cant trust them... Do you have a nice source for someone, who would put time in it? :)
The codebase is NCSA Mosaic (1993, source available through contract), Spyglass (1994, commercial, became I.E.), Netscape (1994, shareware, a.k.a. Nutscrape), Navigator (1995), Communicator (1997, became bloatware, eventually splits off Thunderbird, Seamonkey and more), Mozilla (1998, finally open sourced Communicator), Phoenix (2002, open sourced Navigator), Firebird (2003, renamed for trademark dispute), only then finally Firefox (2004, again over trademark).
i only care about two things in a browser: the existence of the LTS version (version that doesnt add more features and only applies bugfixes) of it, and also the fact it is open source. Of all the browsers, Firefox is *the* only one that has both of those things (firefox calls LTS as "ESR"). tragically, there is no firefox-esr version for android yet. there must be soon, cuz android is targeted by exploits from shady sites alot cuz many people use android.
Started using firefox back in 2008, never changed, it is still an awesome browser, letting you install adblocks and other extensions that chrome wont let you.
In the halcyon days of early 2010's I was an enthusiastic Firefox user and advocate. But for me things with Firefox soured gradually, features by extensions I'd like to have but weren't there. I sold my soul to Google and Chrome, not proud but satisfied for now. I flush my cookies weekly, a bit of a drag with some login-based services but a good password manager alleviates the situation greatly. Any Chromium browser is also good when I don't like to log in as my Google identity. BTW, I love your channel and your narration, well done and carry on!
It doesn't support Web Apps by default, And a big one for me as a teacher, with the slow internet and computers we have, the forced close when it makes an update, is like half the lesson is gone.
I moved to firefox when Chrome started limiting Manifest V2 chrome extensions. Ublock origin is literally the only reason I moved to firefox. I still use chrome for google photos because the videos just don't play on Firefox.
Same. Google Chat videos don't load on Firefox for me. I moved from Safari to Firefox for uBlock Origin. The only issues I have with Firefox are from Google lol.
Market share vs YOY usage growth must not be mistaken like this. Firefox user base has been steadily growing over the years, for the most part every year has been a better year than the year before, the issue is the other platforms have been growing far more, specifically due to the larger number of Android devices with default Google browser, Microsoft moving to Edge which is Chrome underneath, etc. Portraying market share as a sign of decline is very misleading.
oh the answer is simple because mozilla keeps fuxing up everything people love about the browser the less unique features and less actually useful things (e.g. removing powerful extensions, removing rss feed reader, removing friggen page encoding selector) the less reason there is to use firefox as much as I love firefox and dislike chrome, I hate mozilla destroying everything firefox stood for...
I've used Firefox since the beginning and still use it. I still prefer it over Chrome. But even if I didn't, the fact that Chrome is really just a spyware app for Google, is one reason I would never switch to Chrome even if I liked having poor options, features, and control over my browser.
Firefox is the best browser. Every other notable browser is a reskinned and possibly slightly modified version of Chrome (and there are some like that are based on Firefox.) People for some reason just seam to trust Google and their Chrome browser, even though they keep making the browser worse and worse. And the few that switch, they usually switch to something like Brave, which is Chrome but with some crypto stuff, and some built in ad-blocking. You can have all that a Chrome fork can offer, and much more, by just switching to Firefox. Though, now that Google might not be able to have as much control over Chrome because of the antitrust stuff they are going through, and they did already hand over control of the Chromium project (the thing that powers Chrome, Edge, Brave, Opera, Vivaldi, etc.) to The Linux Foundation... but I wonder what will happen if/when they don't get to control Chrome anymore. Hopefully it means that Firefox will finally get some well deserved attention.
I ahte all the AI crap Google is shoving into Chrome. On my chromebook I have for development, I noticed that there is a new force-installed Gemini app. ARHGHGHGHGHGHGH!!!!!!!! I switched to Firefox a long time ago and I'm never looking back!
You failed to address some of the huge missteps from the Mozilla. They embraced BAD politics, early on and over 10 years ago. Even before they kicked the Firefox founder out (for bogus reasons), Mozilla was already trying to become gatekeepers and guardians of misinformation and fact-checking. They chased politics, not performance or product. I remember this and it is the major reasonable all else that I left their browser, after being an advocate of them for 10 years.
I started having increasing issues when using Firefox, some things like Microsoft Teams and Facebook calling just refusing to work so i gave in and switched to Brave. Im fairly happy with it so far.
Untold part of the story is, Firefox also go Woke, and as expected they are going broke. They had a pink / purple haired CEO whom canceled the most important project for Firefox which was brand new next generation core engine that would make them able to compate with Chrome, called Servo engine. She also fired devlopers while incresing her sallery. She sprend the fundations money to BS projects which are not related with Firefox browser. Look it up the Firefox CEO images, you will spot her instanly.
What is interesting is that Google was keeping Firefox alive so that it wouldn't be classed as a monopoly and as a result forced to be broken up. It's not so unlikely now that Firefox will die due to lack of funding. Open source developers need to get paid as well.
The thing about Firefox being slower I always laugh at, because Firefox with an adblocker is faster than Chrome without one. So if Manifest v3 defeats adblockers, Firefox will be faster overall when both browsers are equipped with blockers. I notice you didn't mention Yandex browser, which IMO is the best Chromium-based browser. It may suck up a lot of data, but that data is going to be in Russia, not with Google. A lot of Americans don't think about that, but as a foreigner, it's more of a factor.
being opensource and non profit are really irrelevant factors.. they don't affect the browsing experience..... you could argue it's better in security and privacy but really, the difference is pretty marginal unless you run everything without any kind of adblocker etc... which few these days do because internet without it is just downright unusable and Firefox has made one stupid decision after another for yeeeeears...I got tired of it
Chrome dominates because Google sold it through its browser and it's the default one in Android. FireFox lose terrain because it's not tied to a big company like Edge, Chrome or Safari. I still use FireFox no matter they did some stupid decisions like enforce the Chrome-like tab presentation (even creating a configuration folder called "chrome-something").
Microsoft Edge is the Best Web Browser. Very customizable (Vertical Tab Switcher, Side Bar, etc), lots features (Snipping & Screenshot Tool, Collections, etc) while being faster than either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Brave is the Best Open Source Web Browser (Faster than Firefox and renders web pages more accurately (Because of being Chromium-based)). Vivaldi is also quite nice! (Source Available?)
Edge is just as bad if not worse than chrome, if you like Edge. I'd recommend Zen browser (firefox fork built upon Betterfox user.js), using it right now and it's fast. Same feel as Edge with more customization than Edge. Brave is not open source, it's built on Chromium so it's closed, I do like the built-in ad and tracker blocking. Glad they're keeping that after mv3
dude, i just came back to firefox, its so good now, it feels more responsive than chrome too, and you can block a lot of the shit that chrome has to track you and stuff, at the same time its not as difficult as brave, I love it
Temporarily switched to Chrome as a little experiment the other day. It sucked real bad and adblock wasn't working-saw too many ads for crypto, gacha games, get rich quick schemes, etc. when I was surfing the internet on it. Only lasted for like ten minutes. Meanwhile, Firefox never failed to give me a clean experience on the Internet with minimal to no ads.
Firefox could double its user share overnight if they only fixed their developer tools. It's incredible how bad it compares to Chrome in that regard. If I can't even see the scripts that have loaded and put breakpoints there, how can I build apps with Firefox in mind?
Firefox is my main browser, and has been for years. Better customization, better privacy, and it still allows ad blockers. People use Chrome because they've always used it and it's all they know.
Firefox is awful, for no reason of it's own. Firefox and Chromium support different features of HTML, with Chromium being dominant that leads to a small amount of websites being completely non functional for Firefox users, forcing them to switch if the websites are essential to them. You did mention it in the video, but this is the reason for me using Edge, alongside Edge having great text to speech with natural voices.
Long time Firefox user here. Every time I've bought a new computer or phone from the late 2000s onwards, I've downloaded Firefox and transferred everything across. I'll continue to use Firefox for as long as it exists.
✅ Definitely .
Same here. I feel like i've been using Firefox since it's release at this point. I've never had any major issues with it as far as i can remember and will continue to use it for as long as i can.
Med too. I have seen no reason to switch. I have the Chrome browser too and use it ONLY when I want to search with google. But I use Firefox 99% of the time with Duck Duck Go as the search engine.
👍 Team FireFox
I really don't understand the appeal of the other browsers. How is performance even an issue?
Logically Answered: "The slow death of Firefox"
Me: **Laughs in Firefox**
😄🔥🦊
Fox best
I can never not use Firefox. Too good, far more trusting, and less restrictive than overlord browsers. I only use chrome for manga bookmarks lol. Slowly been replacing it with Brave over the years.
Laughs in lower fps UI
@@NicoTheCinderace Watching this video on Firefox & it's working perfectly fine & this guy in the video doesn't know what's he talking about
Three months ago I moved to Firefox, it feels faster than Chrome for my everyday tasks and it's not literal spyware
It's way faster than Chrome for everyday tasks *because* it's not literal spyware.
Switch to Brave
@@scottlee38 I use both plus Floorp and Vivaldi. It depends on what I'm doing but Firefox is my most used because of the abundance of useful extensions.
@@scottlee38 If I not wrong, Brave is using Chrome Engine....so, it is similar to Chrome.
@ Ah..
We might be doomed!
The biggest reason is Chrome is the default browser in Android and people are lazy in downloading a different browser.
True
Correct. Its inconvenient to download another browser. it will take you 5 minutes to download it. 5 minutes is very long nowadays.
Amazing how there hasn't been a lawsuit against it. Where you can basically site the same reason as Microsoft getting that anti trust lawsuit with explorer.
@@kosmosXcannon the "arbitration clause" you automatically agree to upon thinking of the phone you want to use in question:
Wrong. Samsung phones have that thing that Samsung calls Internet Browser (sorry but it's straight up terrible) and people switch to Chrome. I know that it's already pre installed but you still have to find it and replace the Samsung browser with Google Chrome.
I never stopped using Firefox since like 2010, I dont know what anyone else even found worthy of complaining about, it always worked just fine for me.
Ublock Origin works on Firefox Android. Its huge.
What is the ram usage of firefox?
Less then chrome more then edge
me as well. when i occasionally have to use chrome i'm blown away by the ads. i dont know how people cope with them!
@@danielcooke9668 People are mostly idiots.
Firefox is my main browser and has been for over a decade
About 17 years here brother 🧡
Firefox is not going anywhere. Firefox was cool back then and it's cool right now. Google apps & UA-cam works perfectly fine in Firefox & this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't let influencers get in your head & tell us it's over for Firefox. It's here to stay
@@tonopdebank6718 I've yet to have my tabs crash - except for that time I tried to load a 5 gb discord message log, but even chrome crashed on it
@@tonopdebank6718 Are you on an Intel computer running a 13th or 14th Gen chip?
If so, that's more likely a problem with your CPU than your browser.
15yrs
Fun fact, most of the time, if something doesn't work on Firefox, changing your user agent to chrome make it mysteriously works just fine. Almost as if this was just sabotage. But hey, what do i know, right ?
So it's not just me then!
Some things didn't work even with switching user agent. That's where Brave comes in.
How do you switch user agent
@@jonathantheyorkie brave is a chromium browser
@@TheModeler99 with an extension
"The adoption of Chromium ... introduced ... HTML5" seriously what???
Also developer tools came from Firefox, not Chrome
Once he said that Firefox dominated and then showed at 30%, I knew to only trust what he said by his sources 😂 (which I've watched before, like Michael Horn)
just goes to show how to create a piece of garbage video with a clickbait title just to spice up your monetized videos..
@Cyb3rT3chz Not gonna get much monetization from us firefox users, we have adblockers
Actually yeah, HTML5 was introduced way back around 2010 by the organization that still holds the main control over Internet protocols, the W3C, which could shut Google Down in an instant if that org decided to by simply shifting internet protocols to something Google would find very unfriendly to their business model. W3C doesn't have any reason to do this so far, however, so they allow Google to do their thing.
developer tools in firefox doesnt let you download videos
I have a hypothesis that the market share is so low because there are so many bots using chrome as a client artificially bloating the values.
It makes you wonder.
If you mean headless browsers, then I don't think they account for that much. 70% of visits are from phones, 70% of those use Android and 62% of those are Chrome as it's the default browser. There's where you get a lot of those numbers.
@@dominiksramko I'm mainly assuming these stats are collected from user agent values. So the client just picks whatever is popular to not get blocked.
@@dominiksramko phones are pretty common for bots because they are cheap and low power. ive seen farms with hundreds of phones hooked up and mounted on a wall.
@ It is based on user agent. You can check the FAQ on statcounter. They do mention making an effort to eliminate bot activity so it doesn't affect their statistics, but who knows how successful they are.
Firefox isn't "dead", it's just underground. As long as it's around, we're good. Things are going to change soon enough, am feeling the daily frustration of people with pointless ads/interruptions etc. There's going to be a breaking point eventually.
I love Firefox. Never going back.
Unfortunately, most people will not fight back against ads. Yes, they will complain. WHILE still watching ads...
Current trajectory of FF usage is it will go below 2%, which will trigger gov'ts & some corp sites from stopping worrying about FF compatibility.
Just like the Gopher & Gemini Protocols, sadly.
I've been using Firefox for 15+ years. I have no desire to switch to anything else.
I would only consider switching if Chrome on Android gets extension support. Right now, Chrome is simply behind and has been for a while. Also it should allow to access WebView settings.
Been using Firefox since Windows Vista, never even considered looking back. Open source, best privacy practices, and most important to me, not based on Chromium
What default browser do you use though?
@@real_mvp3811 Is that a sincere question? Firefox. It has been since Vista. Every OS I've had since then I have installed Firefox and set it as my OS's default. I'm a Windows power user. Changing the default browser and programs is a pretty basic thing to do for a power user
"best privacy practices"
Firefox has the best privacy practices. In practice, Brave has more privacy.
@@wisenber Does it though? Chromium, based browsers are required to adhere to Google's Chromium policies. A browser is only as private as the backend that runs it and Google is that backend for Chromium. Brave is Chromium based. I suppose you missed the part of my comment where I said "most important to me, not based on Chromium"
Interesting how you missed that considering that the quote you pulled is directly beside the quote I just provided
@@wisenber Agreed. 💪😎
Could it be possible that these browser usage stats are skewed? Perhaps since many firefox users use privacy addons, those are blocking the usage stats for firefox, translating to a lower than actual usage percentage?
Possibly, but also consider that since Firefox's high point internet usage on phones has gone from a niche thing to the most common method of internet browsing. Almost 100% of those phones are on Chrome or Safari, Firefox is mostly for PC so it's a segment of the smaller market.
@@fix0the0spade Yeah that definitely skews things
while true, maybe some of it would be more accurate (excluding those who spoof the user agent), as Google Analytics for example is offering server-side analytics (where instead of the website relying on a script on each user's browser to collect the data and send it back, it'll be measured on the same servers hosting the website/webapp the user is using)
so in which case your best defense would be trying to use something that blends users together and actually resists fingerprinting, as the days of simply being able to block third party tracking/fingerprinting scripts to opt-out on most websites are numbered.
Edit: Of course stuff that is designed to resist or randomize fingerprinting even for unknown or server-side trackers (e.g. LibreWolf, Brave, Mulvad Browser or TOR Browser) has drawbacks on convenience and may break features you'd like or need to use on some webapps/sites.
@@fix0the0spade Firefox has been my main & favorite browser for 15~20 years on desktop, which is STILL where I do almost all of my internet browsing, but I never installed it on my iphone because I recall reading that it lacked some basic feature like syncing bookmarks between phone & computer, which would be an absolute necessity for me.
But I'm scrolling through reviews on the app page now (both good & bad rated reviews) and can't find any mention of that being a problem, so now I don't know if my memory is effing with me. Although the amount of bugs of being complained about is still pretty daunting. So many that are serious functionality issues, and are repeated my many people, and are all from within the last few months. Plus there are features that people complain it lacks which developers respond confirming is the case (usually blaming "iOS limitations). So regardless what I did or didn't read in the past, it seems clear that the mobile version of Firefox is far inferior to the desktop version, and this may be a large factor in why so few people use it on their phones.
i still use firefox and i will continue using it
I moved back to Firefox because of the Adblock BS.
One thing i will never understand is the EUs antitrust lawsuits regarding browsers. The EU sued the crap out of Microsoft for having Explorer as default browser in Windows but they haven't done the same to either iPhone or Android that comes preloaded with Safari/Chrome or that Chrome OS comes preloaded with Chrome in the same way Internet Explorer was sued for.
Apple's market share is so low that the EU don't care about it as much. It was an issue with Microsoft because Windows has over 90% market share at the time.
The EU did force Google to pay a fine and Chrome isn't loaded by default on new Android devices. Instead you're given a browser install prompt on device load up. The fine came in 2018 and the removal of chrome as default takes full effect this year.
@@Daniel15auand despite that Apple got the sideloading decision and the payment one too so it would seem that the EU does care about what Apple does.
but yeah, i think it is also true that Google does not get the same treatment as Microsoft did - if not on how closely linked things are but rather the way they seem to slow down other browsers accessing their products (like youtube or google docs… ) so yeah… there would be grounds for investigation
Ironically I went back to Firefox from Chrome this month.
Same it covers UA-cam ads completely. No regrets
Welcome back, brother!
Google doesn't pay Firefox, it pays the Mozilla foundation, which spends the money on a lot of dodgy activism rather than Firefox.
Yes, it's shame Mozilla foundation spends the money this way
I find that many people have no idea what a browser or a web page is. They just use "the internet" or "my phone".
So many people don’t know the difference between Windows, Microsoft Office, and web apps.
I was tearing my hair out on the phone to my GF the other day trying to ascertain whether she was using Word natively, in the Teams app, or online. She didn’t understand what I meant.
A bit of a clickbait title, no?
Yep. Worked with me.
Yep...a little sad to see
video literally starts out by saying firefox marketshare has gone from 30% to 3%
tiktok must have ruined your ability to retain information for longer than 10 minutes or something
sure he says later people have abandoned chrome on the grounds of privacy and the youtube adblock situation. but you already know that is a small minority of people.
the vast majority of internet users just use chrome because that's what everyone else uses. privacy and convenience be damned.
30% -> 3% sounds like a tragic decline to me
Dont comment on that kind of vid. Comment is what they want.
Now aday I just dislike and may be block channel entirely or report in some case.
I use Firefox since 2016. I like my privacy and I don't intend to swich to Chrome or anything else.
Librewolf and Waterfox might be more your thing, then. They remove a lot of telemetry and other nonsense. Librewolf is the more extreme option, likely to cause site breakages due to how much it removes.
I have no problem with ads. But I have serious problems with too many ads and intrusive ads.
Chrome is so slow. Bad privacy issues
I use safari. its chrome light, it has less features, they steal my data, but I can have hundreds of tabs open without bricking my laptop. It is a good laptop though.
Unfortunately true
Not as slow as firefox was at the time everyone started switching. Firefox died years ago
v8 engine, the underlying js engine that chrome is built on is the most performant in the browser engine space. So no chrome is definetly not slow.
@@rohithkumarbandariHowever, Chrome does not have ad blockers built in, and no downloaded extensions. Therefore all the banner ads, data collection, trackers, etc. significantly slow down the browsing experience. These ads slow down the performance as its running in the background and gigging RAM. Firefox for Android has extensions you can download including ad blockers and other things.
If they just made all the ads to be non-intrusive, most people wouldn't install ad blockers.
If internet ads were as harmless as newspaper ads, I wouldn't be bothered enough to block them.
Ads are still basically bloat of internet. Nobody cares about making legit ads there and most ads are just made as quickly and as cheaply as possible. It should be called not ad blocking, but resisting crappy software.
With all due respect. This video is incomplete at best. Take a look at Firefox's non-technical problems. The Mozilla Foundation already expressed their will to change from a Browser company to a "group of global activists".
Aside from that, they had a lot of drama in the last decade, like the acquisition of pocket and the bonuses some executives received while the market share for Firefox plummeted.
I think they need a partner like Proton, which has a stable base of privacy interested paying customers.
They need to find a way to adress people, who are likely to pay for security. To rely on Google is a bad idea, if your only selling point is, that you are a anti-google. First thing a new FF user most likely is doing (compared to Edge, Chrome and Safari users), is switching the search engine, because they care about privacy and Google knows.
"We need to go beyond deplatforming" or something like that, a few years ago, and the crazy investments of the firefox (mozila?) foundation made me quit, i used it since its release, but oh well...
Firefox kicked itself out of my life. Thanks for reminding me why...I'm now a brave due to Zuck drinking water like a duck.
Also CEO pay. There is an inverse correlation between market share of Firefox and CEO pay. While market share went to shit, CEO pay went from $500k to $7million.
this. The rest of the comments down here seem to ignore this
BRO WTF The fox is still alive and kicking far better than chrome or edge
Based
Most of their operating income comes from Google, so that is the primary risk
@@zandr0not anymore google got forced to stop paying them to use google as default due to a monopoly case in the US supreme court
@@SuperEpicCookies Thank god.
@@SuperEpicCookies so who's paying them now?
Google's old motto, "Don't be evil" was abandoned long ago. Their motto today should be, "We replaced the devil."
Evil Microsoft: "We bought out and closed or assimilated most of our small and medium competition, as well as most promising software companies with that MS-DOS money. We also started bundling our own internet explorer for free with Win OS, killing all companies who were selling them. FU Netscape! Our OS is now installed on almost 80% of world's computers."
Google: "Hold my beer!"
Windows:❌
Chrome:❌
Linux:✅
Firefox:✅
Related - Linux Zorin has been great on a old PC
...one without the required hardware to upgrade to Windows 11
A strong second, Kubuntu, Mint, third.
Firefox is too buggy on Linux, had to switch to Brave.
@necuz brave is a firefox reskin y'knew that ? Try librewolf too
edit:apparently its based on chromium 😨
@ Chrome works great on Linux :)
I know, sacrilege
fedora baby
Wait until mv2 is finally no longer available, sometime before 2026,
which I think will be the year of firefox.
I still use firefox specifically because it's not chrome
From what I remember, Chrome had a huge ad push during the time where people were looking for something to replace IE because of how bad it was. It felt like it just exploded in popularity overnight when I realized most of my friends back then started using it. It felt like Firefox was mostly known to the enthusiast market since they just couldn't advertise as much as Chrome could.
crazy i have been using firefox since like 2006, i hope it keeps going
I abandoned Chrome forever for fighting an unworthy cause (Blockers ARE needed, especially today), and came back to Firefox.
I switched to Firefox about 6 months ago and haven't looked back since. One time I was with a friend and we were planning to download something and he opened Chrome and I was immediately disgusted by the barrage of Google Ads and logos everywhere. I absolutely resent Google Chrome and have switched all my friends and families to Firefox.
Firefox is WAY faster then Chrome when I use it. I absolutely love it. Sometimes there are bugs on websites due to the prioritization for Chromium, but I have Chrome for some very small edge cases. For me I only notice problems on Google websites (haha). But as a developer myself, I put a lot of effort into prioritizing a consistent experience across Firefox/Chrome/Safari, etc. I hope that this starts changing.
FF is definitely faster if you change some things in about:config page. I don't know wtf Mozzila is thinking, but standard FF config only can use like 256 MB of disk cache and 256 MB of VRAM. Also there are some preloading/prefetching/prerendering settings. Dunno what exactly phc does, but turning it off feels like getting rid of constipation. Really some settings there look like they haven't been updated in two decades.
One's really feel special when are in the 1% of people watching this video from Ubuntu in Firefox.
I am watching in Mint/Firefox :)
fedora/firefox baby lets go
@@starlit-c8j same with librewolf
Kali/Chrome
@@chownful Kali and Chrome. It looks strange, doesn't?
Main reason not to use Firefox? The Mozilla foundation itself.
I’ve been a Firefox user since the Windows XP days. Recently however, I’ve been using Brave more than Firefox due to glitches on websites I frequent. My switch over to Brave was about three years ago, but I always keep Firefox installed on my PC to occasionally see if performance has improved and glitches were resolved… and for old time’s sake.
my reason for sticking with Firefox is that it's built with privacy by default, but it's so extensible you can harden it even more and control hidden settings
Brave with that built in adblock is why I switched. YT is supposedly cracking down on adblock, but I haven't had an issue with Brave (yet)
Obligatory "But Brave is basically Chrome" meme
Brave has to keep changing its ad blockers to keep up with Google's constant crackdown. So as long as you keep updating the app, then you're good. But the issue is Brave drops support on older devices (on Android and iOS) so you're screwed if your phone's OS is outdated (can't update app, therefore ad blockers will not work anymore)... However, Firefox has extremely long app support, currently it still supports Android 5.0. Plus, Firefox has downloadble extensions while Chromium based browsers don't, so there are different ad blockers you can use and other extra things (I use one called Popup Blocker strict which is a much stronger kind of popup/dialog message blocker)
@ I have no issue running most chrome extensions on Brave. Might be an issue later, but it isn't right now.
@@kosmosXcannon It`s a tandem, Brave is by far the best chromium based browser for privacy and add block - using it too. But FF ist the backup browser of choice.
Would go with FF, if it would be as consistent as Brave by blocking Scamvertisment, or "customization" of youtube...
Brave will get much more inferior at adblocking because of Google. It can't keep supporting ManifestV2 when it's dropped from Chromium, hence why it's better to just use Firefox.
Well, we CAN save Firefox. If we want an ad-free experience. Ironically there's an old game called: "Starve the Fox".
What we can do is to actually fund Firefox with donations. The more people who donate, the stronger Firefox gets, and the less power Google will have.
Are we willing to pay for an ad-free, non-spyware browser? Or are we content just complaining until its too late to do anything about this?
The NSA requires chrome and Microsoft.
Funny enough, I'm watching this video on Firefox right now. It's what I use when watching UA-cam on my Galaxy Tab since it supports extensions like UO on Android devices.
What I love about your channel you follow your own unique content path. I never thought much about Firefox and now an interesting video for me to learn interesting things about the product I use occasionally. Keep up the good work man.
Thank you man! Def try to go for undercovered topics
The Adaxum project has some strong points. Took a position while the presale is still open.
Willingly installing spyware to me is crazy
Hope Windows is already gone :)
@@Simon45-v9t Exactly. Get that Recall crap out of my face.
If you put in the time and effort then you can learn to just give it generic information so that it is difficult for it to uniquely identify you (on desktop).
@
Would say we should do both, but switching is for the most folks more easy than going on a fight with full time MS programmers.
After every update you have to clean up your MS and check all settings, you just cant trust them...
Do you have a nice source for someone, who would put time in it? :)
after 8 years of chrome use i recently moved to firefox, as a developer i'm concerned about my privacy.
Firefox + uBlock + arkenfox = S tier
POV: Watching this on Firefox
I reloaded Firefox because of this! Thanks for the reminder they exist 😊
The codebase is NCSA Mosaic (1993, source available through contract), Spyglass (1994, commercial, became I.E.), Netscape (1994, shareware, a.k.a. Nutscrape), Navigator (1995), Communicator (1997, became bloatware, eventually splits off Thunderbird, Seamonkey and more), Mozilla (1998, finally open sourced Communicator), Phoenix (2002, open sourced Navigator), Firebird (2003, renamed for trademark dispute), only then finally Firefox (2004, again over trademark).
i only care about two things in a browser: the existence of the LTS version (version that doesnt add more features and only applies bugfixes) of it, and also the fact it is open source. Of all the browsers, Firefox is *the* only one that has both of those things (firefox calls LTS as "ESR").
tragically, there is no firefox-esr version for android yet. there must be soon, cuz android is targeted by exploits from shady sites alot cuz many people use android.
I heard some conspiracy theory that Google maintains Firefox to have an excuse to say that they aren't a monopoly?
Started using firefox back in 2008, never changed, it is still an awesome browser, letting you install adblocks and other extensions that chrome wont let you.
Firefox is my favorite browser. I also use a derivative of Firefox called Waterfox,
"There is no free lunch" - Google and Meta. If something is free, you are the product.
In fairness, Firefox is also free.
i never knew how much of a push-over Microsoft has become
Googles now famous motto: "Always be evil".
In the halcyon days of early 2010's I was an enthusiastic Firefox user and advocate. But for me things with Firefox soured gradually, features by extensions I'd like to have but weren't there. I sold my soul to Google and Chrome, not proud but satisfied for now. I flush my cookies weekly, a bit of a drag with some login-based services but a good password manager alleviates the situation greatly. Any Chromium browser is also good when I don't like to log in as my Google identity. BTW, I love your channel and your narration, well done and carry on!
Great content as always but the background song is too loud
Thanks for the feedback man!
It doesn't support Web Apps by default, And a big one for me as a teacher, with the slow internet and computers we have, the forced close when it makes an update, is like half the lesson is gone.
Now that Chrome is making it more difficult to use Adblockers (especially when watching UA-cam) Firefox has become my goto browser.
Firefox user here ❤❤
Although not a techie, i use Firefox for basic internet
Will use Firefox as long as it is the only browser that lets me sync across devices and has a bottom address bar on mobile.
Your channel shows great content with good research BUT please turn that invasive music off or at least reduce the volume... a lot!
I moved to firefox when Chrome started limiting Manifest V2 chrome extensions.
Ublock origin is literally the only reason I moved to firefox.
I still use chrome for google photos because the videos just don't play on Firefox.
Same. Google Chat videos don't load on Firefox for me. I moved from Safari to Firefox for uBlock Origin. The only issues I have with Firefox are from Google lol.
Market share vs YOY usage growth must not be mistaken like this. Firefox user base has been steadily growing over the years, for the most part every year has been a better year than the year before, the issue is the other platforms have been growing far more, specifically due to the larger number of Android devices with default Google browser, Microsoft moving to Edge which is Chrome underneath, etc. Portraying market share as a sign of decline is very misleading.
oh the answer is simple
because mozilla keeps fuxing up everything people love about the browser
the less unique features and less actually useful things (e.g. removing powerful extensions, removing rss feed reader, removing friggen page encoding selector) the less reason there is to use firefox
as much as I love firefox and dislike chrome, I hate mozilla destroying everything firefox stood for...
Removing powerful extensions? What are you talking about? What extensions?
I've used Firefox since the beginning and still use it. I still prefer it over Chrome. But even if I didn't, the fact that Chrome is really just a spyware app for Google, is one reason I would never switch to Chrome even if I liked having poor options, features, and control over my browser.
Firefox is the best browser. Every other notable browser is a reskinned and possibly slightly modified version of Chrome (and there are some like that are based on Firefox.)
People for some reason just seam to trust Google and their Chrome browser, even though they keep making the browser worse and worse. And the few that switch, they usually switch to something like Brave, which is Chrome but with some crypto stuff, and some built in ad-blocking.
You can have all that a Chrome fork can offer, and much more, by just switching to Firefox.
Though, now that Google might not be able to have as much control over Chrome because of the antitrust stuff they are going through, and they did already hand over control of the Chromium project (the thing that powers Chrome, Edge, Brave, Opera, Vivaldi, etc.) to The Linux Foundation... but I wonder what will happen if/when they don't get to control Chrome anymore. Hopefully it means that Firefox will finally get some well deserved attention.
Why does no one remember Safari
@@LeoLau-jw7ji only avaible in Apple products.
I ahte all the AI crap Google is shoving into Chrome. On my chromebook I have for development, I noticed that there is a new force-installed Gemini app. ARHGHGHGHGHGHGH!!!!!!!! I switched to Firefox a long time ago and I'm never looking back!
@@LeoLau-jw7ji I switched from Safari because of Adblock. uBlock Origin is the only blocker that can block everything.
Brave also has fingerprint protection, vertical tabs, some manifest v2 extensions built-in, and its own AI.
just recently switched to firefox from edge. This feels targetted...
You failed to address some of the huge missteps from the Mozilla. They embraced BAD politics, early on and over 10 years ago. Even before they kicked the Firefox founder out (for bogus reasons), Mozilla was already trying to become gatekeepers and guardians of misinformation and fact-checking. They chased politics, not performance or product. I remember this and it is the major reasonable all else that I left their browser, after being an advocate of them for 10 years.
I use both Firefox and Firefox Nightly.
But it doesn't have some featurea that chrome has like grouping tabs and better extension management
I started having increasing issues when using Firefox, some things like Microsoft Teams and Facebook calling just refusing to work so i gave in and switched to Brave. Im fairly happy with it so far.
I have been using Firefox since 2008.
Untold part of the story is, Firefox also go Woke, and as expected they are going broke. They had a pink / purple haired CEO whom canceled the most important project for Firefox which was brand new next generation core engine that would make them able to compate with Chrome, called Servo engine. She also fired devlopers while incresing her sallery. She sprend the fundations money to BS projects which are not related with Firefox browser. Look it up the Firefox CEO images, you will spot her instanly.
What is interesting is that Google was keeping Firefox alive so that it wouldn't be classed as a monopoly and as a result forced to be broken up. It's not so unlikely now that Firefox will die due to lack of funding. Open source developers need to get paid as well.
Once add-blocker completely stops working on Crome, I will switch to Firefox full time.
Why wait?
The thing about Firefox being slower I always laugh at, because Firefox with an adblocker is faster than Chrome without one. So if Manifest v3 defeats adblockers, Firefox will be faster overall when both browsers are equipped with blockers. I notice you didn't mention Yandex browser, which IMO is the best Chromium-based browser. It may suck up a lot of data, but that data is going to be in Russia, not with Google. A lot of Americans don't think about that, but as a foreigner, it's more of a factor.
being opensource and non profit are really irrelevant factors.. they don't affect the browsing experience..... you could argue it's better in security and privacy but really, the difference is pretty marginal unless you run everything without any kind of adblocker etc... which few these days do because internet without it is just downright unusable
and Firefox has made one stupid decision after another for yeeeeears...I got tired of it
I agree that the internet is intolerable without adblockers, however the vast majority of browser users do not use an adblocker addon/plugin.
Firefox and Brave are *better* than Chrome. Period. They're not what you call privacy-focused.
Mozilla's decision making is questionable at best... The future does not look fantastic for Firefox or anything based on it.
Chrome dominates because Google sold it through its browser and it's the default one in Android. FireFox lose terrain because it's not tied to a big company like Edge, Chrome or Safari.
I still use FireFox no matter they did some stupid decisions like enforce the Chrome-like tab presentation (even creating a configuration folder called "chrome-something").
Microsoft Edge is the Best Web Browser. Very customizable (Vertical Tab Switcher, Side Bar, etc), lots features (Snipping & Screenshot Tool, Collections, etc) while being faster than either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Brave is the Best Open Source Web Browser (Faster than Firefox and renders web pages more accurately (Because of being Chromium-based)). Vivaldi is also quite nice! (Source Available?)
The best on Edge is, that if you can`t find something anymore, you can call MS Service Hotline, they know :)
Edge is just as bad if not worse than chrome, if you like Edge. I'd recommend Zen browser (firefox fork built upon Betterfox user.js), using it right now and it's fast. Same feel as Edge with more customization than Edge. Brave is not open source, it's built on Chromium so it's closed, I do like the built-in ad and tracker blocking. Glad they're keeping that after mv3
I will never abandon Firefox as my MAIN browser, I will just occasionally use Chrome.
Clickbait title, videos like this will hurt firefox more
well the main problem is youtube ads.. If Firefox would be able to circumvent these damned youtube ads it would blow up like crazy.
Fully agree.
dude, i just came back to firefox, its so good now, it feels more responsive than chrome too, and you can block a lot of the shit that chrome has to track you and stuff, at the same time its not as difficult as brave, I love it
😂most of people don't care about that data Google is collecting! and Chrome works just fine.
True
Those are ignorant people. Yet ignorance is bliss for the masses!
@@thewaywardgrape3838 willful ignorance on mass is how humanity ends up being completely taken advantage of on mass...
privacy is a basic human right tho and google violates it on a daily basis
@@starlit-c8j There is no privacy in today's world. Your data is processed from the day you are born.
I switched to firefox from chrome after I inspected my HTTP header and found that I had an amazon ID on every HTTP request
Temporarily switched to Chrome as a little experiment the other day. It sucked real bad and adblock wasn't working-saw too many ads for crypto, gacha games, get rich quick schemes, etc. when I was surfing the internet on it. Only lasted for like ten minutes. Meanwhile, Firefox never failed to give me a clean experience on the Internet with minimal to no ads.
Firefox said they were going to push some voices and suppress others. I didn't want that in a browser, so I stopped using Firefox.
Loyal fanbase and I love it too so I wouldn't say it is declining.
Firefox could double its user share overnight if they only fixed their developer tools. It's incredible how bad it compares to Chrome in that regard. If I can't even see the scripts that have loaded and put breakpoints there, how can I build apps with Firefox in mind?
Watching this on Firefox, with my ad blockers and script managers still fully functional and all tracking cookies blocked...
Firefox is what I use at home. Chrome is what’s on the work computers, but I have limited interaction on work computers.
Firefox + Ublock Orgin is 💥
Absolutely !
As a web dev, i definitely dont like a ad blocker...
protecting data and blocking cross site cookie collection is good tho.
Firefox is my main browser, and has been for years. Better customization, better privacy, and it still allows ad blockers. People use Chrome because they've always used it and it's all they know.
Firefox is awful, for no reason of it's own.
Firefox and Chromium support different features of HTML, with Chromium being dominant that leads to a small amount of websites being completely non functional for Firefox users, forcing them to switch if the websites are essential to them. You did mention it in the video, but this is the reason for me using Edge, alongside Edge having great text to speech with natural voices.