@@kryse4806 What games did you try and what was your base fps? I tried in Control, War Thunder, Diablo 4 and Cyberpunk 2077 and with base fps at 90 - 120 it was pretty good
i didnt mean that i dont like LTT i just wanted to mark how organizend and professional iceberg seems eventhough he is a smaller youtuber whos videos have the quality like that of a big team (just more on a budget)@@shrishpotdar343
Upgraded from my retired old GTX 750 TI to a RX6600 because of your first video on switching to AMD, so far best upgrade ever, NVIDIA prices are completely unreasonable in Brazil, a performance matching NVIDIA card would be double the price.
Can confirm, NVIDIA has its own premium here in brazil, got a friend of mine a 7700xt for about the same price as a 4060, for a card that's competing with the 4060 ti 16gb, i'd say that was a nice deal.
It's not just in Brazil if you're on a budget Nvidia is not the way to go anymore, there's too much of a performance gap. It's not that anything under the 70 serie isn't the "best deal possible" now, nah it's rather that it's straight up a bad purchase decision.
for 1200 ~1400 reais the RX 6600 is a no brainer. I wanted to give intel a try, but the A750 is close in price to the RX 7600, and have many driver issues(1600 reais).
It's hard to have a conversation online about prices because of how many US people there are with their perspective being completely irrelevant to the rest of the world. In my country the 4070 Super costs the same as the 4070ti, while the 7900XT is that exact same price and is much better at raster and almost equal in RT. Moving down the stack it's the same story, where the only reason to buy Nvidia is for DLSS, because their RT performance isn't above and beyond each price point and of course is a tier below in raster (like you said a 7700XT vs a 4060 is no competition). I'm pretty sure Nvidia is only making money outside the US from prebuilts and business use, and AI/crypto shovel-selling.
Fancy graphics that require a fortune just to run at 60fps won't make games any better. It's annoying how the industry has been chasing flashy visuals over quality gameplay for decades now just to produce mediocre titles that are forgotten about 6 months after release.
Currently playing the Recomp of Majoras Mask at 5120x1440p@240fps, your right graphics really dont and most of the best games of all time are old anyway. I do however want a 5080 when it releases the 6800XT doesn't cut it at this resolution but thats merely for my own pleasure than ANY necessity
Honestly. The only people we can blame are the CEO's of these AAA game companies, because THEY are the ones who ultimately make the important decisions. They fail to realize the true potential and talent of the programmers, 3d artists, and story writers that they have working for them. Instead of giving them the proper amount of time to develop everything, they force them to produce a final product under extreme time pressure. I can't imagine how frustrating it is for them, because they followed their career path most likely out of passion for game development, but are forced to conform to the greediness of their higher-ups.
The greatest trick Nvidia ever pulled was convincing the world that ray tracing was the inevitable future of gameplay and fidelity. When in reality it is marketing for their overpriced GPUs. And I say that as an Nvidia owner. My next card will be AMD, and I will not miss future ray tracing performance as much as I currently miss the extra 8GB my 3070 should have shipped with.
Yeah it's either Nvidia DLSS or AMD VRAM - both brands are too expensive so it depends on how games use/waste vram versus how unoptimized they are so DLSS is needed. DLSS balanced versus FSR quality, pick your poison.
Raytracing was the answer to a question no one was ever asking. Remember when the 2000 series with RT came out, there was not a single game that supported it (for months to follow). And up to this date the majority of ppl. either dont use RT or cant even tell the difference between on and off. Because guess what, there where existing solutions to things like, shadows, lighting, reflections,... already built into engines (not requiring special hardware). Same with DLSS, while its results are better, i think FSR is the better implementation overall - its open source, it can run on any GPU, doesnt require tensor cores, und most importantly: its easy to implement by devs, because it does not required an AI Model to be trained for each game specifically. But my biggest critique on nvidia is pricing. They were responsible for skyrocketing prices of the 2000 series by selling to miners first and intentionally creating shortages. To be fair: AMD quickly followed that path. But what about the last 2 years: nvidia made insane amounts of money with enterprise business. It would not have hurt them even a little to bring back prices for the gamers to a reasonable level. But no, they kept up the preassure - also on its partners. Thats the reason why EVGA left the game - no time to develop a product, nothing but restirctions in terms of design and prices from nvidia,... for what? To earn 50$ when selling a 2500$ card? Sorry for the long rant...
@@thed8278 Was there ever a person who played a game, stopped and said: "My god this RT looks so good". Normal person can't even notice if its on or off while gaming. You follow the story, shot things, think about tactics, read, solve puzzles, etc. We all care for good visuals but this shit is pure 100% marketing trick to fool people into giving hundred of dollars for something they don't even understand that well. And somehow it worked. Same with DLSS and FSR. Meaning these "new" cards don't have power to deliver the results they market. We still test shit on 1080p for some reason. 20 years later. Imagine that. Now they market 4k cards for 3 generations. Yeah, right. And only top of the offer can push it decently.
i'd say ray tracing is the future eventually, right now the raw power just isn't there, in the mid range at least. But the fidelity really is great compared to traditional shader techniques and from what i heard it also makes the production of games easier.
Went from a PS5 to a 5600/6700xt build. Now have a 7600x/7900xt build. No issues with my purchases and would buy AMD again so long as their products come at a discount for their shortcomings in RT and upscaling.
I did something similar recently. After I cashed out my PTO from switching jobs this past September, I treated myself to an upgrade from an RTX 2070 Super to an RX 7800 XT. There were some teething issues with RDNA3 being a new architecture, but I'm very happy with the performance so far at 1440p. Especially getting that card for 520 USD.
Because your not running stupid RT which everyone knows is not worth it and not where AMD shines. Rasterization is all that matters. Enjoy! Great GPU!!~
8:39 - Hot Tip. Works with any game if you haven't got a VRR monitor: Leave VSync off in game and in the Radeon drivers enable "Enhanced Sync" for the game. All the benefits of Vsync, but with the ability to drive it at high refresh rates.
Just beware Fallout 4 and older Bethesda games, if you uncap their framerate you need a mod to bring the physics/script timers in line or things start flying everywhere (even more than usual). Enhanced/fast sync let the FPS underneath run without limits but you only see the 60FPS or whatever your monitor Hz is set to.
@@InnerFury1886 I would wager a minor fraction of games are affected by that, not exactly a reason to dismiss it as a broad solution to those running without VRR.
I'm running a 7900X / 7900XTX in 4k on a 32" Samsung Odyssey Neo G7. I've been playing games in 4k for about 6 years now, moving from the RTX 2080 (upgrading from a GTX 1070 in 1440p), up to the 3080 Ti, up to the 7900XTX. In my opinion, getting the best possible visuals in 4k has nothing to do with RT being on (with the major exception being Cyberpunk). It usually has everything to do with whether or not you can run the game in native 4k res. (Also by wasting a lot of money upgrading your GPU every gen.) This means disabling upscaling supersampling tech like FSR/DLSS/XeSS. I can do this with the 7900XTX in everything I play, and it's why I love it. I don't like FSR, DLSS, or XeSS as I find everything looks a little blurry and feels a little more sluggish regardless of which one you are using. (This is less of a problem in lower resolutions where objects don't look as sharp due to the lower res.) The blurriness tends to get A LOT worse as the polygons get further away from you: looking at objects like trees, mountains, animals, etc., look blurrier the further away they are with supersampling enabled. This is something you can't really experience watching YT reviews, and it's something that only became completely clear to me once I was able to stop using supersampling with the 7900XTX. Even if you have to lower your settings to to high or medium, native 4k looks better than ultra quality with supersampling enabled. EDIT: Also, Adrenalin is so much better than GeForce Experience that it boggles the mind that NVIDIA took so long to create a new software solution.
I agree, they are both good video cards but I prefer Radeon any day ove Nvidia. I also have the 7900xtx and it does an amazing job with 4K. People who fight over who has the best ray tracing is ridiculous. Ray tracing is a fad that will be put into game engines anyways. ray tracing is technology from the 70's first invented to predict lighting effects so manufacturers could cut the perfect diamond. Games are looking so amazing these days the only way you can tell if ray tracing is on or off is by looking at your FPS, there is a reason its usually shown how amazing it looks in games 10+ years old. This is Nvidia's go to argument of why they are better, and yes, Nvidia does have better ray tracing but that has always been my least priority when it comes to gaming lol. Solid 4K is much sharper then upscaling and the 7900xtx does an amazing hob for sure.
Very honest question, do you really see 4K res over 1440 in most titles? Whenever I play I tend to run at most 1440, the only game lately I played at 4K was MH Rise. But I really barely notice a difference aside from the game itself
@@jammiemc4447 Yes, the difference is massive if you're talking native 4K vs native 1440p. Does that game have a film grain effect? Sometimes that will make 4K not look like 4K. The other possibilities are that your eyes are getting worse as you age and you may need prescription lenses in the near future, or your monitor isn't great. You might also be running upscaling when in 4K? My 4K and 1440p monitors are both high-end Samsung Odysseys, and I can assure you that they look VERY different.
@@iHumanist I have a Samsung 4K monitor, but tbh I haven't any idea of where it falls performance wise. But probably, yeah my eyes are quite shitty💀. But alright. Good to know
@@jammiemc4447 I don't mean any offense, ofc, it's just that when I look at something in 1080p or 1440p and then back to 4K, it's night and day different. It's hard for me to imagine not being to tell the difference! :D
Since I read it so many times here: Undervolt and OC your GPU, always, regardless of the brand. GPUs come way overtuned mostly to make sure most silicon runs stable. They dont want to have cards returned just cause of stability issues so the sell them on high voltage settings at stock. Even my 7900xtx sapphire nitro+ went from 420W stock to 280W on full load (less than a stock 4080) while never crossing 50C°. No performance loss. And Im not into extreme undervolting or overclocking. These are super standard stable settings and Im just amazed how the card performs while being so extremely cool. UV+OC your (somewhat) modern GPU, whatever u have. Literally 0 risk, your GPU lives longer, ur system is cooler and u safe some money too. The worst that can happen is that a game makes your system crash and it goes back to default GPU settings automatically. Just follow a guide on youtube, takes only a few minutes but gets u so many benefits.
I have my 6650XT running at 1.150v and 2800mhz, stable as bedrock and draws ~155w. AMD's Adrenalin makes it so easy. Hotspot temp hits 85C after hours of 1440p Cyberpunk. It's actually wild how good AMD is on the price/performance metric.
7900xtx Nitro here also! And i completely agree, this can also be further improved by just capping the framerate, 260w~ D4 at 200fps, even drops below 200w at 150 :-) With a slight undervolt
I must be giga unlucky cause my RX 7600 can't even run at 1180 mv while *underclocked* to 2600 mhz. If I change *any* of the settings at all, besides the fan curve, it will crash in-game randomly. Not a great introduction to AMD for me, and I kinda wish I went with a 4060 instead.
@@sudomywoodo Idk man. Its 165W TDP. The 4060 is 115W TDP. It is a difference but 50 watts is nothing..Even if ur gaming 8 hours a day, 7 days a week on full load its a laughable difference, even in countries with high electricity cost. Maybe someone can offer some stable settings but those cards usually struggle with modern (AAA) games and run already on a super low power usage. And if ur playing indie games or somethign similar they obviously dont run on full load and are super efficient that way..So yeah..
@@sudomywoodo sounds to me like a defective card that you could easily get to RMA. The 4060 is a terrible card, there's no scenario where it's a convenient purchase, unless for some reason you absolutely need the best performance out of a low profile card. Your best choice for around 300 USD would've been a 6700 (non-XT), XT or 6750 XT, right now it's hard to catch one at that price.
switch from gtx 1650 to rx 6800xt. I chose it mainly for its vram and AMD's history in maintaining software features to their old gen. bought it for 350 usd last year. Still rocking it to this day playing all the games i play at ultrawide 1440p at 60 to 200 fps max graphics.
I think if one plays at 1440P, hi refresh rate...AMD offers some compelling GPU products/price points. 4K with RT ON...less so...but I don't need it, so there that!
but, you do know that nvidia supported the 1000 series / maxwell longer than amd supported their RX series/ polaris and vega which came out later than the 1000 series ? support is winding down for the last GCN products (Polaris and Vega). There is a driver for RDNA+Polaris_Vega in the release notes (underneath main driver link), but GCN is probably only getting critical security updates and bug fixes at this point (aside from WDDM driver model updates). While Nvidia still updates maxwell regularly. Yeah they supported polaris/vega for over 7 years but nvidia supported maxwell (gtx700 series) for over 8 years. Now nvidia has cut em off but still supports the 1000 series which is the gpu generation today that is the one that has been out for the longest between both nvidia and AMD, as of today nvidia supports their cards longer back than amd does, the thing amd does that is good is that FSR works for every amd card out there no matter generation, so making a gpu jump based on "amds history in maintaining software features for their old gen" is factually very wrong and not valid at all if you actually look up their respective closures regarding support on various gpu series...
I have the same card. It's the best bang for ya buck atm. My 5800x is letting it down tho. I need to upgrade to a 7800x3d to really get the best from the 7900 XT.
I'm so glad this video is popping off and that your hard work is paying off. Just keep grinding, eventually you'll become a reference in the PC enthusiast scene :p
I also just got my first Amd Card this Week after a GT 620 to a Gtx 750ti to a Gtx 960 i now have a Rx 5600 XT and so far im very happy. The Performance Jump from the 960 was Huge.
Yup countless reddit threads complaining that they're immediately returning amd GPUs because they think they're plugged n play, that DDU means using windows uninstall for drivers or just they "reinstalled Windows" but in reality they just upgraded windows with the save my data features therefore keeping the Nvidia software and registry lines. I've had 3 Nvidia cards and 3 radeons in the last 5 years. I can't remember the last time I had a system or game crash with the amd gpus.
Almost exacly a mirror of what I did. The Last of Us made me switch from a 2080 to a 6900XT (sold the RTX for almost the same price as the RX). A lot of fighting with the drivers and core temps, but I´m now enjoying the benefits.
same, during the initial tests I went through hell dealing with the drivers. suddenly I did a clean install (as I always did) and no it's working flawlessly. I was with NVIDIA for so long that it took a while to get used to it but I'm having a really good experience so far.
Do these driver issues and other problems mainly crop up if you don't do a clean windows install? That's what it seems like. Generally people say AMD and NVIDIA are on basically equal terms with drivers these days. And issues mainly happen when switching from one to the other without completely wiping and reinstalling. For me I just built my first PC and went with AMD. Absolutely zero problems, though it's a completely fresh new build. So I assume most problems occur when switching.
@@sawdust8691I think they definitely do come from switching. I was prepared for a lot of problems with my 6800 when I built my first pc in August but haven’t had a single issue yet. Ironically enough, I’ve somehow been crashing less and have been more stable than my consoles were.
@@fabioribeiro4627 UA-cam v a nced. Idk if it hid my comment last time but that's it. There's a non root install and I just moved to the magisk module install
i bought a 7900xtx last august for $850 and squeezed it into my $2k budget PC build. 4080s were still above msrp at the time so i saved well over $400 and get to game in native 4k on ultra settings in just about any title at 60+ frames. Can't really complain for the amount of juice. I have nothing against nvidia and the super refreshes were a promising sign they have come back down to earth on price, but im feeling good i will be set for the next half decade at least. Pleasantly surprised with my AMD experience after having nvidia gpus for a decade plus.
@@pluschy7886absolutely. There's not a single game on 1440p ultra that ran below 100 FPS for me. Most crack the 144 FPS mark easily without RT in native res. Slap an X3D CPU into your build and you're good for a while.
Prices of AMD and Nvidia will likely drop when 8800 xt and 5000 series launch. I've loved my 7900xt, but allegedly the 8800xt will be comparable to the 7900xt and supposedly better in some RT workloads. I think the continuous improvements of fsr and afmf will continue to improve over time. If you're set on getting a new AMD GPU right now and want decent RT capabilities, the 7900gre is only an extra 50$ and should have a nice uplift over the 7800xt. They both compete well with 4070 cards and definitely have the edge on the 3070. Another thing I'll recommend is doing as much research as you can, look for videos showcasing the GPUs you're interested in and how they perform in the games you play. These newer games are eating lots of vram, so I'd think either one would be a better long term investment than a 4070 or 4070s.
I upgraded from an RTX 3060 Ti 8GB to XFX 6800 XT 16GB in April 2023. [Also upgraded from a 2600X to a 5800X3D January 2024] Loving every bit of it. AM4ever.
This sounds pretty similar to my set up I have a 6gb 1660 super right now but I’m wanting to do 4k gaming I just got a 5800X3D and now I’m just wondering what card I should get!
Fantastic video and I will continue to support you on Patreon. I am no content creator so I went with AMD several years ago. Got an RX 5700 and I upgraded last Christmas to a 6900XT just like you. I am not interested in ray tracing, rather high resolution high refresh rate since I only play older games with the occasional new release like BG3. I am CPU-limited with my 3600 so I'll upgrade my cpu soon-ish. I can see myself holding onto this 6900 XT for a long time. Thanks again for the killer videos and I wish you the best.
I actually love your setup, because it is way more reasonable than most out there, and quite a bit more relatable too for most the audience - with the prices as they are, very few sport anything above the level of an RTX 4070 / RX 7900 GRE / RX 6900 XT. Also, with prices per fps not significantly dropping anytime soon, something at the level of an RTX 4060 Ti / RX 6800 ( 16GB 4k gaming ) likely will serve you well for years to come.
Been using a 6900xt gpu for about 18 months or so now, and it’s been really good for the majority of experiences. But Helldivers 2 does not like all their additional post-processing tweaks they apply by default and has caused me a lot of headache. Turned off all those settings and it has resolved the issue. Nice vid and great channel. Earned a sub!
HD2 works fine....not sure what you mean. FPS is low for the hardware (80-90 fps 1440 nearly maxed out) on OCed 6800XT, but gameplay is smooth. The real problem is its cpu usage and intel sucking LOL. No problem for me with OCed 5800x3d.
I switched from an old 970 ti and went with the 7900 xtx. I was so mad at myself and regretted it so so much because I had so many issues with it. I had constant driver crashes, I run dual monitors and regularly it would stop recognizing a monitor and not display to it, FPS issues and more. I dealt with this for the last year. I was so so close to selling it on eBay and getting a 4080 or 90 until about a week ago I decided to update my bios. I updated it when I first build my PC but never touched it again. Just like that every single issue is gone. I feel so dumb for not doing it sooner, I built my first PC over 10 years ago so I like to think I have a decent understanding of what’s going on. I am so insanely happy now that it works. I wish I would’ve tried it sooner.
That's where the issues come from. In an ideal world it should run without having to do stuff like updating BIOS and troubleshoot to make it work. That's why nvidia is probably the better product for the average consumer. That being said, I couldn't be happier with my XTX and haven't had any real issues myself in the year I owned it.
TL;DW 1. It takes him 5 mins to actually talk about the topic. 2. He bought the card 6 months ago, hasn't played games on it since then. (This alone should give you some idea) 3. He played some games for an hour or 2 just to make this video. 4. Starts the video with the most terribly optimized SP game, Jedi Survivor. Talkes minutes on a game that doesn't work properly at all.. 5. Enables V-SYNC on games and caps at 60 on a comparison video.... 6. Likes some, dislikes some on other games. 7. Conlusion: He isn't interested in AMD cards. Prefers NVIDIA.
10:31 -- The perf drop could be because of the dense foliage and vegetation that uses a lot of textures with alpha transparency. The ray-intersection test has to make several passes for each alpha textured surface to figure out what pixel is transparent or opaque. One of the RT enhancement in Ada Lovelace deals exactly with this problem -- Opacity Micro-Map -- but I don't know if the feature is implemented in this particular game or it just runs faster on RTX hardware.
7900XTX for ~940 USD after tax during prime day. Haven’t looked back. Considering that’s cheaper than the $999 MSRP of the 4080 Super (and much cheaper than the MSRP of the 4080 when it came out), I’m super happy. Also price is usually higher since I’m in Canada, so that’s nice too.
I recently swtiched to amd. I love it really much now 1650 to 6600 xt this was the biggest upgrade i could have with my tight budget. The performance is insane and so called driver "issues" I never had a single one
@alpha63gaming57 uhhh, that is a great, great card. I was choosing between the new 6600xt and used 6950xt. Bought the used one. Came from R5 1600AF, rx 580 and 1080p 60Hz to R7 5700X, 6950XT and 1440p 144Hz monitor. Pff, I was actually blown away.
I have an RX 580 8 gb and its still running strong. I mostly play Warhammer Verminder 2, The Evil Within 2, Wolfenstein and Tom Clancy's Division 2. All of them are running between 50 and 70 fps at max settings and I'm pretty happy with it. I plan on buying R7 5800X3D and RX 7700 XT this year.
I love my 7800XT. I feel it's performance versus cost wins hands down over an equally performing GeForce card. And while the titles I have tried RT on ran just fine, I really don't care about RT. Like you mentioned not appreciating RT in racing titles, I feel the same way. Focus is on the action rather than the eye candy.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 RT is pretty cool when you have the horsepower to run it-- but the current state of the GPU market keeps it from being a mainstream thing.
There are many reasons why I love AMD, either for the price, vram etc etc, but I also like how in 6 years, because of their open sourceness someone like Nimez will probably create legacy drivers for the GPUs that will be way way cheaper than Nvidia cards for people on lowend budgets
Coming from the 5500xt i got in 2020, which after 1 week of use, sold it. The drivers, holy smokes, so bad. Now, the 6600 i have now, it's a beast. Been using their cpus since 2020, though. Their cpus rock. Now i have a amd gpu, rocks 10x harder.
After using Nvidia for like 15 years what really blew me away was the Adrenaline software. It made Nvidia's software look like some ancient crap. And to think that a huge number of people don't even know what they are missing. I went with a discounted 6900 XT. I'd also like to point out how Radeon cards perform better in CPU limited conditions.
Switched from a 3060ti to a 7900xt and honestly have had no complaints whatsoever. Excited for your upcoming videos on the 2011-v3 chips you listed! Just bought a 2667v3 for $10.
Honestly, I switched to AMD simply because I like the company and it's mission more. Nvidia doesn't care about gamers and continuously screws us over. They only care about dirty money and crypto-miners, regardless who they fuck over on the way. AMD is a company of gamers, for gamers. They care about their fans, work hard to improve their products, and price their products fairly. At the end of day, the choice to switch was easy for me. I'd rather feel like a gamer than a chump getting squeezed for money.
Mining is a bad example, because the vast majority of AMD cards went to miners during the mining craze and Nvidia actually released LHR (low hashrate) cards (the protection was circumvented after a year, but still) to get cards to gamers.
I think it's a somewhat exaggerated view, even as a longtime Team Red member myself. But I agree it's definitely not just "one semi-evil megacorp vs another" 🙄
Great video. It's always interesting and educational to see a long form review of living and working with a product, rather than a week of benchmarking on release. I had to upgrade myself from the 3070 due to lack of VRAM. Lesson learn't for the future. I am curious, did you choose the 6900XT because it lined up well fiscally with your 3070? I was just confused after your intro where you mention that you won't be reviewing old gear because that content already exists, I expected you'd be looking at the 7000's series.
There's something about your review, and in your channel that keeps me coming back. I am subbed to LTT, Jay2C, TechJesus and Hardware unboxex, but your narrating, flow, and reviews are so polished, mate. Even the GTX TITANS, love it! love your content! you deserve a million subs, even more
I was always a big fan of the Elite Force games back in the day. They were fun! It would be interesting to see what a modern Star Trek FPS would look like!
Been using a sapphire nitro 7900xtx on my rig for nearly a year now and it’s been an absolute pleasure. Forgot how good sapphire were at making AMD cards. Great performance, no coil whine, quiet, no crashes or issues, great temps. Basically plug in and forget.
I regret switching to an rx 6700xt because somehow it can't handle 8k hevc vr video, while my old rtx 2060 had no problem with that. Deovr has confirmed this is a problem from amd. But I got a used one for only about 150 bucks, so at least it was cheap.
@@flamingophone yeah you can get pretty good deals on the used market i got mine for about 190$ with box and everything powercolor red devil version about 6 months ago
@@yugdesiral Ehem... I can say that furry has always been the pioneers in technology. 👀 They've been experiencing 8k vr180 passthrough animations recently. You can find them on google with those keywords.
@@yugdesiral About that, furry fandom has always been the pioneers in technology and has been experiencing 8k vr180 passthrough animations for a while now. I hope you can catch my drift. 👀
Going from my first own self purchased gpu, the Rtx 2070 to a 7900 GRE Has been game changer in regard to experiencing games now: I Cannot recommend it enough for a new video, especially after updating from a near 6 year old card.
Here is a hard truth gamers need to accept. Ray tracing is a marketing ploy to make you spend WAY more money than you need. Ray tracing just simply is (in my opinion) not that visually better. Unless you play very slow games with little motion, it just doesn't look good. Even cyberpunk is not noticeable when you are in action which is 90% of the game.
it's a tool for developers to implement so they don't have to spend as much time on lighting effects. whether or not it's a visual upgrade doesn't really matter anymore because it will eventually become the standard when the next generation of consoles hits the market
Went from a 3070 to a 6800xt about 5 months ago, myself. I've got one thing to say to you: AMD Fluid Motion Frames. I have no idea how it works, but it does. It's insane.
I tried it in more than a dozen games, but all the noise (flickering, ghosting etc.) it adds drives me crazy. Also, it always felt much less fluid than "real" frames, even when the base FPS were at 90ish, and 60 to 120 felt and looked worse than a locked 60 without FMF.
For the budget minded gamer nothing beats a one generation old AMD card, I have heard rumors of teething issues with new cards, but my options were RTX 3070 or RX 6800 when the time came for my last upgrade and I am very happy I went with the 6800, I have had zero issues and it runs anything I throw at it.
22:02. That's why this is the only benchmark channel that i follow. You are realistic with your tests and opinions. Of course the 4090 is a better card, but i don't have the money to burn in a piece of plastic that's gonna run my games with better reflections. Great video !
You would think since AMD hardware is in both Microsoft and Sony game consoles games would be more optimized for AMD, but we are still dealing with unoptimized AAA(???) garbage from greedy and lazy developers.
I get what you're trying to say, but in most cases it's not the developers who have a say in the quality of the end product, so blaming them isn't really fair. If you did intend to mean the developers, I would like to hear your reasoning.
While no it's not all games, but enough, that are fully optimized for AMD hardware in the console version when ported to PC have all of that removed from the game and in some cases at the request of Nvidia. No I'm not saying Nvidia is behind all of it, but when they do have the chance to influence such things they have.
I switched from gtx1080 to RX7900GRE and i am satisfied :D . Don't have any drivers problems . Previously also switched from gtx760 to rx470 with good results .
And here I am, still rocking my RX 570...will I change it maybe? But for now, still suits my needs. Gr8 vid, keep on delivering quality content like this. Don't even mind a deep dive to technicals if a script requires it.
I hope you consider getting a 5800X3D next for your personal rig. The X3D plus 6900XT combo is so smooth. My 1% lows went up greatly and in fortnite alone, they went from 120 to 170, which is only 50 fps away from my average fps of 230 (at 1440p btw)
@@mitchjames9350 The motherboard in his personal rig is AM4. Unless he wants to use AM5 for the build going forward, then the 5800X3D would be the best he can get.
If beloved Terry Wogan had bought a computer, he would have been able to make longer videos than this about having his computer and things, but this is such a delight for those who miss Terry.
I've had Radeons, the latest one being a 6800XT. Never. Ever. Again. There's a very good reason, why the "meme" of Radeon drivers being bad is still a thing. Ever since I switched back to nVidia, in the same use case (gaming, browsing web) this PC has become much easier to live with. That money you save by getting a Radeon, is wasted quickly on the time spent troubleshooting. My Radeon experience was simply sub-par.
20:48 is the exact reason why Nvidia has been able to charge whatever they like for their underperforming cards. If someone gave me a free 4090 TI, I'd sell it to another sucker. I had only 4 major issues with my 3 years of using AMD RX 6600. I worked around 2 of them by downgrading the driver until the next update fixed it. One was Windows automatically updating my GPU drivers for some reason, and the last one seems to be an anomaly with my specific card, where Square Enix's GotG runs horribly. I also play all my single-player games on Linux and never had to even worry about a single issue, other than how to overclock my card like I do in Windows... and also GotG running horribly (which is why I think it's an anomaly). Nvidia has completely sold most of the average and the rich gamers on the idea of RTX, frame-gen, etc. This is like believing that you have a chance of having a relationship with an Instagram model that you have crush on, only to end up being the camera operator and a tool to enhance their public perception, just like Nvidia has become one of the highest valued companies. Say what you want about AMD and Intel, they have done more for benefitting the entirety of the consumer computers by publishing open-source firmwares and drivers, and being much cheaper with performance beyond acceptable for the price. I praise and curse them wherever they deserve. I'm able to see which of their actions are beneficial to everyone in the long-term and/or the consumers as a whole, and I hope more people are able to do so too.
My first pc was with already used gpu, later my brother changed that gpu to rx 480 4gb (idk if it was used or not) but that pc worked almost 7 years for me(i mainly played competitive/fps games) of course with some issues. Now after it got completely dead amd unusable im planing to build a pc for the first time by my own. Would you recommend rx 6600?
@@fubkegt4964 I have no issues in recommending the RX 6600, just make sure to turn off the automatic driver updates from Windows because it will automatically download and update the GPU drivers to something older than what AMD offers. The Windows drivers lack the latest features and conflicts with the Radeon Software. I don't know why Windows does this. However, RX 6600 is from an older generation at this point. So do the usual research for the GPU that fits your needs for the budget you have.
I think game developers are the ones who re pushing RT not really NVIDIA but nevertheless... Anyway, let's say you play on 4k and you want the best out there to keep things maxed out ... What other choices do you have besides 4090 ? In my opinion (and I had a bunch of cards in my life ), 4090 is a league on its own. And for the price of it, you can partially also thank to AMD for that for not having a competitive card to 4090...and giving more reasons to NVIDIA to charge it as much as they want.
@@Need4FPS I'm a reasonable person, I don't see the point in gaming at 4K. And my point still stands for it -- those who want that are being exploited because they can't get 4K out of their head. Those who have the money, don't care about the price. AMD knows that most of their customers are the ones who don't want or can't afford Nvidia's prices, so they don't even bother aiming to compete against 4090.
4090 is a luxary product, like a sports car. Nobody needs that much performance, no matter how much they might say it, they just want it, for graphics flexing.@@aaronplays_
Considering the effort and enthusiasm you spent on the videos, I think the number of subscribers to your channel is much less than it deserves. You've done a great job, keep it up.
really good content i'm full AMD since 2017 for the price / performance reason rocking a 6700 xt atm but looking to upgrade as i have a 4k 120hz tv amd also makes more sense in this case as i'd rather have more vram than better RT, at a lower price RT is nice but only in a handful of games you see a big difference in image quality FSR is getting closer to DLSS quality, frame gen is also a thing now with Fluid Frames
I had 1060 6GB last year before eventually switched to RX6800. But after having 6800 for about a year and half, I'd switch back to GeForce for a reason: AMD driver software. It's been years and they are still unable to fix issues on their driver. From pixelated rendered from Radeon adrenaline recording, Premiere Pro acting crazy, to in-game bugs in some games, especially in COD MW3. I don't know about the others, but in Warzone, if I play for few hours, I will experience this thing: flashy white objects (doors, gulag) and audio loss (no sounds from crates). Tried it on Nvidia, never had any issues. Mad thing. Anywyay, I enjoyed your content. Subscribed already. Cheers!
It's the game... Try to play with a 120hz monitor with the game set to 60hz, and it runs like ass, but set the monitor to 60hz also and it runs significantly better with far few stutters...
This man asked Do I regret upgrading to a significantly more powerful gpu? The obvious answer is no... saved you 25 minutes. He went from a 3070 to amd's version of the 3090 and then said he is not satisfied because he wants a 40 series for the reason of 'doesn't everybody (want one)'....
IMHO, most people don't seem to understand how RDNA3 works. The "voltage" control isn't the same as previous versions. The voltage setting is maximum amount it can be "offset", the most wattage you can draw basically. I found 1125mv-1130mv worked best. The Core frequency controls the total draw and to a minor degree the fps cap(2965= +8% max fps -3% on 1% fps/ 447 watts). If you set a RX 7900 XTX to 2665 core max, the video memory to 2714 with default timings, voltage to 1130, and fan to 35% max, you will find it runs about 365watts max with 55 C core, 78 C mem junction, and 75 C hot spot after HOURS of gaming. I run dual 1080p 144mhz refresh AOC monitors using Display Port. My Uningine: Heaven (defaults) benchmark was 9674. I lock fps to 120 in all the games I play and don't see any issues, even with unoptimized games like Palworld.
I'm genuinely happy to see someone running a AMD gpu have no driver issues, I would be running one myself but both times I've owned one I have suffered horribly with driver issues.
Your content is great, but, you should've postponed this vid to release around now. (8months post switch) That is because 12 hours of gametime over 6 months is borderline laughable if you're trying to compare it to your time with Nvidia cards, which is at least 10-fold, this comparison is too ambiguous to be taken at face value.
Radeon Chill can help you with tearing, enabling it will cap hardware side to give only demanded number of frames, which will aswell help with tearing This and eyefinity are 2 things that Radeon nailed and Nvidia wasn't able to make work decently, tbh Radeon Chill can make your Haven benchmark output only 60fps, which was funny when i was testing things
just got a 7900xt after having a 3080 on lease from a friend after my 3060 fried itself, and even coming from a 3080 the 7900xt is a huge jump. im super happy with its performance and being a linux user its way more simple driver wise. looking forward to sticking with team red for a while!
I recently bought the RX 6800; it was my first upgrade from the GTX 1660, and all I can say is that it feels like switching from the Skoda Fabia to the BMW 5 series. Very high performance and total quietude. The only "bad" side is its massiveness; I'm going to buy some support bracket to fix that.
@@rockapartie Yes but an Xbox is not a PC so don't expect it to have all the same features as a desktop GPU. Upscaling on an Xbox I kinda get but FSR 3 also includes frame generation. It's kinda pointless to have frame generation on Xbox when TV's already have frame interpolation. Am I also not expecting Playstation to get FSR 3.1, just because it has an AMD GPU?
@@DavidJonSpem Oh, you wouldn't want to use frame interpolation of the TV. It's nice for videos (if you like that effect) where input latency is irrelevant, but most TVs have horrible input latency outside of their dedicated game mode. I kept dying and dying in Hotline Miami once (even more than usual ...) and guess what: Game mode was off 🙃 What I meant in terms of FSR was: Of course, developers can use it on Xbox and PS4, too, because it's open source and unlike DLSS not bound to any specific GPU (well, there are some features that work better on RDNA 3, but still). There are even Switch games that use FSR.
i'm quite amazed by those kind of "experiments" like it's special, i used ATI/AMD graphics and GPUs since the 3D rage pro from 1998 and never had a problem, ditched NV since the geforce 4ti4200 and never looked back, i'm still integrating NV's gpu's on the builds i do for customers, mostly for productivity/content creation but for 100% "gamers" , you'll get better bang for your bucks with a radeon most of the time...
Hey Mr. Tech, have you seen the FSR 3.1 presentation? It looks very promising and very well could close the image quality gap between fsr and dlss! Also Frame gen being decoupled from fsr is also super cool imo :D
I do computer building for clients as a side gig, and if they are looking for strictly a gaming PC with no intention of doing any sort of heavier workloads or streaming I recommend them full AMD systems. if they want to stream or any heavy workloads are intended for the system, I recommend NVIDIA only due to their encoders being better. My own system has a 5800x3d and a 4080Super but I plan on streaming eventually and might be getting a different full time job where the gpu will get more use. But this is down the road.
I also build custom PCs for a living. I like to have an interview with clients to see what their use case, games, and expectations are, and I'll often suggest an amd card, but sometimes that literally loses the sale, because obviously "I couldn't be a professional if I'm suggesting a 7800xt over a riced triple fan RGB 4060 ti" Maybe the 8000 series will live up to the leaks.
appreciate that your channel is more grounded in financial reality for most people. i splurged on a 4080 recently, but my financial situation has greatly improved over the last couple years and just a few years ago I would never dream of spending 1k US on a gpu. And so many of the other tech channels are focused on the newest stuff which is just bonkers in terms of price:performance and overall value proposition.
I bought an amd gpu (rx 6650 xt) and experienced major issues even after doing DDU stuff and everything, I only managed to fix it by using the "minimal install driver only" install options on the driver installer and actually got the studio driver because the amd drivers were causing blue screens (definitely amd signed DLLs or other files were the causes, I checked the logs and minidumps) and were making my monitor freeze in place when using google chrome, word, blender, photoshop, darktable, lightroom... , 40% of the time not even a driver reset via the shortcut (ctrl-shift-b, I think) would work and I'd just have to turn off my pc using the power button. Going from a gtx 950 2gb which couldn't run davinci resolve at any frame rate to a gtx 1660 super which was amazing at it (1080p60 from a 2017 DSLR), going to an rx 6650 xt was definitely a downgrade (lagging just as you mentioned with any effects, color grading or even text and transitions, barely managed to complete my latest project on it, but it works now, I guess) and for 2.5x the cost it's disappointing, even though I mostly edit photo and not video, I still do it somewhat often. My Blender performance also decreased and the app would just shut down randomly without an error message exactly like in that other guy's video that you mentioned (I got really scared when I found out that was a common issue a few months ago, though it fixed itself with the studio driver), another thing that fixed itself was the google chrome and word issues, word would have flickering text issues and I was struggling so much while writing my 10 page essay about opossums (lol, don't know why that's funny) that I actually learnt LaTeX even though I had a 3 day deadline, that's probably the only other good thing besides the increased gaming performance as I now use LaTeX for everything from physics to math to random ass projects I do that involve equations, I even used LaTeX for my German homework... no game ever crashed though, they all work flawlessly except cs2 on release which was dogshit, it still runs under 90 fps most of the time, but that might be because of my weak old ryzen 5 2600 CPU, but performance this low? going from 260 fps in csgo on a dirty old gtx 950 with the i7 2600 and 300 fps with the ryzen 5 to this sussy mess where it drops below 50 was a definite slap in the face from valve. Not gonna say AMD is trash, not that I had any problems gaming, it was just really shitty for my very mixed "programming, photography, videography, physics, math, random school stuff, 3d rendering" workflow... Also, I experienced crashes in premiere pro and photoshop when clicking on the "pop up buttons that bring up those tutorial menus", though I don't use adobe software anymore (I got a free 1 month sub so I tried the apps, I had prior experience using 2015 versions back in 2019 on an athlon II X2 220 and they were fine, I don't like the new version though, they kind of look like phone apps lol, really unprofessional and cheap, way too hard to use as well). Sorry for the long comment, just wanted to share my experience with AMD.
Trust me it's your 2600. I had a 2700 non-x paired with a 2060super, and doing normal things felt like glue after a month of two of a fresh windows install. I upgraded to a 5600 on the same motherboard with a new bios and practically doubled my frames in cpu limited scenarios. CSGO went from 150 fps to 500-600 fps (before cs2 came out). Windows haven't slowed down ever, it's been 2 years since I dropped in the 5600 with a new windows install.
Hopefully your experience doesn't discouraging from supporting good competition. There's a reason why Ryzen CPUs occupy 7 out of top 10 sellers on Amazon, and have woken up Intel to compete in the past few years. Yes, Intel and Nvidia have this mindshare that they're stable and reliable, but nothing is 100% unbreakable right?
@@Salty_Nutella I'm not really in the mood for an upgrade as I'll likely be needing a laptop in about 12 months for university. Though the ryzen 5 2600 has been great in csgo running at well above 250 fps all the time, it has been underperforming in cs2. That may be true, but all my other very shitty experiences are 100% GPU related as I've gotten better performance with a gtx 950 in some cases which is around 5x weaker I believe.
most of the "people" bitching about AMD gpus dont even own an Radeon card and fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck ray tracing
imagine buying the "best" GPU from AMD and not being able to run top tier games at max settings. Thats the reality. AMD fan boys will settle for mediocre performance and justify it with pathetic reasons like "value"
bought a 6750xt and i absolutely love it, its my first pc build and have only encountered an issue so far with warzone but fixed it with one change in the sotware settings, it runs all esport titles at over 150 fps 1440p mid settings, and title like hogwarts legacy look stunning on it
*When you go with AMD:* *AAA titles 1, 5, 8, and 14 get better framerate than Nvidia.* *When you go with Nvidia:* *AAA titles 2, 4, 7, 9, 10, and 13 get better framerate than AMD.* *Games 3, 6, 11, and 12 are equal in performance.*
Better price more performance compared to nvidia 7800XT > 4070 7900XT > 4080 Both are cheaper than the nvidia counterpart And iirc 7900XTX > 4080 super but not sure about that one
Oops, my bad. Control was set to a render resolution of 1080P, but wasn't using FSR, just the standard internal scaling.
Remember you can now use AFMF in games that don't have FSR3 , that would help with your fps in Control
I mean half a year and you are still using it :P
im thinking buying the rx 7800 xt because i have rtx 3070
@@adi6293afmf feels off to me, feels like there's a lot of input lag
@@kryse4806 What games did you try and what was your base fps? I tried in Control, War Thunder, Diablo 4 and Cyberpunk 2077 and with base fps at 90 - 120 it was pretty good
Going through comments has me realizing that you're still a smaller tech channel, the content is just so polished I tend to forget. Lovely video
true he seems real professional more than LTT
LTT for people who have a personality besides their computer
(to avoid the trappings of poe's law, I don't doubt you have a personality)
@@Tadoss why do you think that??
They're fun people who have lives outside the PC things.
Ironically, I have zero life outside my channel.
i didnt mean that i dont like LTT i just wanted to mark how organizend and professional iceberg seems eventhough he is a smaller youtuber whos videos have the quality like that of a big team (just more on a budget)@@shrishpotdar343
Upgraded from my retired old GTX 750 TI to a RX6600 because of your first video on switching to AMD, so far best upgrade ever, NVIDIA prices are completely unreasonable in Brazil, a performance matching NVIDIA card would be double the price.
Can confirm, NVIDIA has its own premium here in brazil, got a friend of mine a 7700xt for about the same price as a 4060, for a card that's competing with the 4060 ti 16gb, i'd say that was a nice deal.
It's not just in Brazil if you're on a budget Nvidia is not the way to go anymore, there's too much of a performance gap. It's not that anything under the 70 serie isn't the "best deal possible" now, nah it's rather that it's straight up a bad purchase decision.
for 1200 ~1400 reais the RX 6600 is a no brainer. I wanted to give intel a try, but the A750 is close in price to the RX 7600, and have many driver issues(1600 reais).
@@jose294052I hear the drivers are decent now
It's hard to have a conversation online about prices because of how many US people there are with their perspective being completely irrelevant to the rest of the world. In my country the 4070 Super costs the same as the 4070ti, while the 7900XT is that exact same price and is much better at raster and almost equal in RT.
Moving down the stack it's the same story, where the only reason to buy Nvidia is for DLSS, because their RT performance isn't above and beyond each price point and of course is a tier below in raster (like you said a 7700XT vs a 4060 is no competition).
I'm pretty sure Nvidia is only making money outside the US from prebuilts and business use, and AI/crypto shovel-selling.
i find it funny how i saw this channel go from literal 0 to 60k, good work there buddy.
I saw his videos from 20k subs
Soon 60k to 1 mil
I know right?? it's grown so fast! It's that damn intro music that gets me everytime for some reason
@@goregejones7248i came around 11-13k i keep thinking hes a big channel😅
He really has grown allot since the start
Fancy graphics that require a fortune just to run at 60fps won't make games any better. It's annoying how the industry has been chasing flashy visuals over quality gameplay for decades now just to produce mediocre titles that are forgotten about 6 months after release.
genuinely these games are just videos at this point like mate I get the lovely visuals but come on Where's the GAME
This is the exact reason why games like ea fc 24( fifa) are failing and games like lethal company are thriving
Currently playing the Recomp of Majoras Mask at 5120x1440p@240fps, your right graphics really dont and most of the best games of all time are old anyway. I do however want a 5080 when it releases the 6800XT doesn't cut it at this resolution but thats merely for my own pleasure than ANY necessity
Honestly. The only people we can blame are the CEO's of these AAA game companies, because THEY are the ones who ultimately make the important decisions. They fail to realize the true potential and talent of the programmers, 3d artists, and story writers that they have working for them. Instead of giving them the proper amount of time to develop everything, they force them to produce a final product under extreme time pressure. I can't imagine how frustrating it is for them, because they followed their career path most likely out of passion for game development, but are forced to conform to the greediness of their higher-ups.
@@tony_T_ yeah its the shareholders and greedy ceo people
The greatest trick Nvidia ever pulled was convincing the world that ray tracing was the inevitable future of gameplay and fidelity. When in reality it is marketing for their overpriced GPUs. And I say that as an Nvidia owner. My next card will be AMD, and I will not miss future ray tracing performance as much as I currently miss the extra 8GB my 3070 should have shipped with.
Yeah it's either Nvidia DLSS or AMD VRAM - both brands are too expensive so it depends on how games use/waste vram versus how unoptimized they are so DLSS is needed. DLSS balanced versus FSR quality, pick your poison.
Just sold my 4080 , it never met my expectations. Towards the end i never used rtx. Im glad i was able to recover something
Raytracing was the answer to a question no one was ever asking. Remember when the 2000 series with RT came out, there was not a single game that supported it (for months to follow). And up to this date the majority of ppl. either dont use RT or cant even tell the difference between on and off. Because guess what, there where existing solutions to things like, shadows, lighting, reflections,... already built into engines (not requiring special hardware). Same with DLSS, while its results are better, i think FSR is the better implementation overall - its open source, it can run on any GPU, doesnt require tensor cores, und most importantly: its easy to implement by devs, because it does not required an AI Model to be trained for each game specifically. But my biggest critique on nvidia is pricing. They were responsible for skyrocketing prices of the 2000 series by selling to miners first and intentionally creating shortages. To be fair: AMD quickly followed that path. But what about the last 2 years: nvidia made insane amounts of money with enterprise business. It would not have hurt them even a little to bring back prices for the gamers to a reasonable level. But no, they kept up the preassure - also on its partners. Thats the reason why EVGA left the game - no time to develop a product, nothing but restirctions in terms of design and prices from nvidia,... for what? To earn 50$ when selling a 2500$ card?
Sorry for the long rant...
@@thed8278 Was there ever a person who played a game, stopped and said: "My god this RT looks so good". Normal person can't even notice if its on or off while gaming. You follow the story, shot things, think about tactics, read, solve puzzles, etc. We all care for good visuals but this shit is pure 100% marketing trick to fool people into giving hundred of dollars for something they don't even understand that well. And somehow it worked. Same with DLSS and FSR. Meaning these "new" cards don't have power to deliver the results they market. We still test shit on 1080p for some reason. 20 years later. Imagine that. Now they market 4k cards for 3 generations. Yeah, right. And only top of the offer can push it decently.
i'd say ray tracing is the future eventually, right now the raw power just isn't there, in the mid range at least. But the fidelity really is great compared to traditional shader techniques and from what i heard it also makes the production of games easier.
Went from a PS5 to a 5600/6700xt build. Now have a 7600x/7900xt build. No issues with my purchases and would buy AMD again so long as their products come at a discount for their shortcomings in RT and upscaling.
bros upgrading every year, damn.
🤘🤘🤘 I did something very similar to you and love my pc !!
is the price difference between amd and nvidia NOT a result of shortcomings in RT and upscaling? partially anyway
fsr 3 coming.
they already annouced FSR 3.1 😭 @@TrueCasualYT
I upgraded from a rtx 2060 super to rx6800 and so far no complaints. The prices was 500$ at the time.
What model is your rx 6800?
me too! I upgraded from 1660S to MSI RX 6800 Gaming Trio (non XT) and it plays everything smoothly on 1440p!
I also got an RX 6800 last year for my 2023 build. It's an Asrock Phantom Gaming model.
same here i upgraded from gtx 1650 to rx 6800xt this card is a hidden gem fr i cant believe no one buys it!
I did the exact same lmao 1660 super to msi card and all @@shiningthetruth
I did something similar recently. After I cashed out my PTO from switching jobs this past September, I treated myself to an upgrade from an RTX 2070 Super to an RX 7800 XT. There were some teething issues with RDNA3 being a new architecture, but I'm very happy with the performance so far at 1440p. Especially getting that card for 520 USD.
I hate to be cynical, but isn't that above MSRP?
Because your not running stupid RT which everyone knows is not worth it and not where AMD shines. Rasterization is all that matters. Enjoy! Great GPU!!~
@@Tartarus144it is now
@@Tartarus144 Only about $20, some 3rd party GPUs are slightly more expensive for a few reasons.
@@Tartarus144 good observation. It was right after launch so demand was high, hence prices were higher. Still better than the 4070 pricing
8:39 - Hot Tip. Works with any game if you haven't got a VRR monitor: Leave VSync off in game and in the Radeon drivers enable "Enhanced Sync" for the game. All the benefits of Vsync, but with the ability to drive it at high refresh rates.
Do you know if there's a similar setting for Nvidia cards?
@@danielm.595 Yes, I believe it's called "fast sync"
Just beware Fallout 4 and older Bethesda games, if you uncap their framerate you need a mod to bring the physics/script timers in line or things start flying everywhere (even more than usual). Enhanced/fast sync let the FPS underneath run without limits but you only see the 60FPS or whatever your monitor Hz is set to.
@@InnerFury1886 I would wager a minor fraction of games are affected by that, not exactly a reason to dismiss it as a broad solution to those running without VRR.
This makes the game micro stutter
I'm running a 7900X / 7900XTX in 4k on a 32" Samsung Odyssey Neo G7. I've been playing games in 4k for about 6 years now, moving from the RTX 2080 (upgrading from a GTX 1070 in 1440p), up to the 3080 Ti, up to the 7900XTX. In my opinion, getting the best possible visuals in 4k has nothing to do with RT being on (with the major exception being Cyberpunk). It usually has everything to do with whether or not you can run the game in native 4k res. (Also by wasting a lot of money upgrading your GPU every gen.) This means disabling upscaling supersampling tech like FSR/DLSS/XeSS. I can do this with the 7900XTX in everything I play, and it's why I love it.
I don't like FSR, DLSS, or XeSS as I find everything looks a little blurry and feels a little more sluggish regardless of which one you are using. (This is less of a problem in lower resolutions where objects don't look as sharp due to the lower res.) The blurriness tends to get A LOT worse as the polygons get further away from you: looking at objects like trees, mountains, animals, etc., look blurrier the further away they are with supersampling enabled. This is something you can't really experience watching YT reviews, and it's something that only became completely clear to me once I was able to stop using supersampling with the 7900XTX. Even if you have to lower your settings to to high or medium, native 4k looks better than ultra quality with supersampling enabled.
EDIT: Also, Adrenalin is so much better than GeForce Experience that it boggles the mind that NVIDIA took so long to create a new software solution.
I agree, they are both good video cards but I prefer Radeon any day ove Nvidia. I also have the 7900xtx and it does an amazing job with 4K. People who fight over who has the best ray tracing is ridiculous. Ray tracing is a fad that will be put into game engines anyways. ray tracing is technology from the 70's first invented to predict lighting effects so manufacturers could cut the perfect diamond. Games are looking so amazing these days the only way you can tell if ray tracing is on or off is by looking at your FPS, there is a reason its usually shown how amazing it looks in games 10+ years old. This is Nvidia's go to argument of why they are better, and yes, Nvidia does have better ray tracing but that has always been my least priority when it comes to gaming lol. Solid 4K is much sharper then upscaling and the 7900xtx does an amazing hob for sure.
Very honest question, do you really see 4K res over 1440 in most titles? Whenever I play I tend to run at most 1440, the only game lately I played at 4K was MH Rise. But I really barely notice a difference aside from the game itself
@@jammiemc4447 Yes, the difference is massive if you're talking native 4K vs native 1440p. Does that game have a film grain effect? Sometimes that will make 4K not look like 4K.
The other possibilities are that your eyes are getting worse as you age and you may need prescription lenses in the near future, or your monitor isn't great. You might also be running upscaling when in 4K?
My 4K and 1440p monitors are both high-end Samsung Odysseys, and I can assure you that they look VERY different.
@@iHumanist I have a Samsung 4K monitor, but tbh I haven't any idea of where it falls performance wise. But probably, yeah my eyes are quite shitty💀. But alright. Good to know
@@jammiemc4447 I don't mean any offense, ofc, it's just that when I look at something in 1080p or 1440p and then back to 4K, it's night and day different. It's hard for me to imagine not being to tell the difference! :D
I remember you getting the 6900XT like it was yesterday... incredible that it's already been 6 months.
Same
I sold the RX 6900 XT LC for 1000€ and bought a 4090 for 2240€ when it was released and yes it was worth it. 🎉
@@Serandi1987 Cap.
@@kadrix732to each their own
Since I read it so many times here: Undervolt and OC your GPU, always, regardless of the brand. GPUs come way overtuned mostly to make sure most silicon runs stable. They dont want to have cards returned just cause of stability issues so the sell them on high voltage settings at stock.
Even my 7900xtx sapphire nitro+ went from 420W stock to 280W on full load (less than a stock 4080) while never crossing 50C°. No performance loss. And Im not into extreme undervolting or overclocking. These are super standard stable settings and Im just amazed how the card performs while being so extremely cool.
UV+OC your (somewhat) modern GPU, whatever u have. Literally 0 risk, your GPU lives longer, ur system is cooler and u safe some money too. The worst that can happen is that a game makes your system crash and it goes back to default GPU settings automatically. Just follow a guide on youtube, takes only a few minutes but gets u so many benefits.
I have my 6650XT running at 1.150v and 2800mhz, stable as bedrock and draws ~155w. AMD's Adrenalin makes it so easy. Hotspot temp hits 85C after hours of 1440p Cyberpunk. It's actually wild how good AMD is on the price/performance metric.
7900xtx Nitro here also! And i completely agree, this can also be further improved by just capping the framerate, 260w~ D4 at 200fps, even drops below 200w at 150 :-) With a slight undervolt
I must be giga unlucky cause my RX 7600 can't even run at 1180 mv while *underclocked* to 2600 mhz. If I change *any* of the settings at all, besides the fan curve, it will crash in-game randomly. Not a great introduction to AMD for me, and I kinda wish I went with a 4060 instead.
@@sudomywoodo Idk man. Its 165W TDP. The 4060 is 115W TDP. It is a difference but 50 watts is nothing..Even if ur gaming 8 hours a day, 7 days a week on full load its a laughable difference, even in countries with high electricity cost. Maybe someone can offer some stable settings but those cards usually struggle with modern (AAA) games and run already on a super low power usage. And if ur playing indie games or somethign similar they obviously dont run on full load and are super efficient that way..So yeah..
@@sudomywoodo sounds to me like a defective card that you could easily get to RMA. The 4060 is a terrible card, there's no scenario where it's a convenient purchase, unless for some reason you absolutely need the best performance out of a low profile card. Your best choice for around 300 USD would've been a 6700 (non-XT), XT or 6750 XT, right now it's hard to catch one at that price.
switch from gtx 1650 to rx 6800xt. I chose it mainly for its vram and AMD's history in maintaining software features to their old gen. bought it for 350 usd last year. Still rocking it to this day playing all the games i play at ultrawide 1440p at 60 to 200 fps max graphics.
I think if one plays at 1440P, hi refresh rate...AMD offers some compelling GPU products/price points.
4K with RT ON...less so...but I don't need it, so there that!
What cpu? Ram?
@@pre-dawnraid9037 cpu is the 5800x3d
but, you do know that nvidia supported the 1000 series / maxwell longer than amd supported their RX series/ polaris and vega which came out later than the 1000 series ?
support is winding down for the last GCN products (Polaris and Vega). There is a driver for RDNA+Polaris_Vega in the release notes (underneath main driver link), but GCN is probably only getting critical security updates and bug fixes at this point (aside from WDDM driver model updates). While Nvidia still updates maxwell regularly. Yeah they supported polaris/vega for over 7 years but nvidia supported maxwell (gtx700 series) for over 8 years. Now nvidia has cut em off but still supports the 1000 series which is the gpu generation today that is the one that has been out for the longest between both nvidia and AMD,
as of today nvidia supports their cards longer back than amd does, the thing amd does that is good is that FSR works for every amd card out there no matter generation, so making a gpu jump based on "amds history in maintaining software features for their old gen" is factually very wrong and not valid at all if you actually look up their respective closures regarding support on various gpu series...
Thats equivalent to 3080 ti with much cheaper price and lower performance
Few months back I jumped from an RTX 3060 ti (excellent card btw) to the Radeon RX 7900 XT. Honestly I am very happy with its performance.
I switched from a gtx 1660 ti laptop to a build with a 4070 ti super(similar performance to 7900xt) and im very happy with it!
I have the same card. It's the best bang for ya buck atm. My 5800x is letting it down tho. I need to upgrade to a 7800x3d to really get the best from the 7900 XT.
In such cases I hardly see what you sacrifice. The Radeon even has better RT than your old card. The 7900s are comparable to 3090s.
Yeah performance is good but with the missing of DLSS its only usable for esports games
I switched from 1080 to 7900 GRE. Insane difference
I'm so glad this video is popping off and that your hard work is paying off. Just keep grinding, eventually you'll become a reference in the PC enthusiast scene :p
I also just got my first Amd Card this Week after a GT 620 to a Gtx 750ti to a Gtx 960 i now have a Rx 5600 XT and so far im very happy. The Performance Jump from the 960 was Huge.
same here its unmatched
I upgraded from the Nvidea 1660 super to my first AMD 7900xt just because of the ram size, I have no regrets. AMD isn't as bad as it's made out to be
@@rowanhorsley761nvidai and intel nood vs amd ryzen radeon god $
Most “problems” people have are bc they don’t uninstall drivers before installing the new ones. Like the vast majority of problems
Yup countless reddit threads complaining that they're immediately returning amd GPUs because they think they're plugged n play, that DDU means using windows uninstall for drivers or just they "reinstalled Windows" but in reality they just upgraded windows with the save my data features therefore keeping the Nvidia software and registry lines.
I've had 3 Nvidia cards and 3 radeons in the last 5 years. I can't remember the last time I had a system or game crash with the amd gpus.
Almost exacly a mirror of what I did. The Last of Us made me switch from a 2080 to a 6900XT (sold the RTX for almost the same price as the RX). A lot of fighting with the drivers and core temps, but I´m now enjoying the benefits.
same, during the initial tests I went through hell dealing with the drivers. suddenly I did a clean install (as I always did) and no it's working flawlessly. I was with NVIDIA for so long that it took a while to get used to it but I'm having a really good experience so far.
Do these driver issues and other problems mainly crop up if you don't do a clean windows install?
That's what it seems like.
Generally people say AMD and NVIDIA are on basically equal terms with drivers these days. And issues mainly happen when switching from one to the other without completely wiping and reinstalling.
For me I just built my first PC and went with AMD. Absolutely zero problems, though it's a completely fresh new build. So I assume most problems occur when switching.
@@sawdust8691I think they definitely do come from switching. I was prepared for a lot of problems with my 6800 when I built my first pc in August but haven’t had a single issue yet. Ironically enough, I’ve somehow been crashing less and have been more stable than my consoles were.
I'm wondering how the RTX 2080 and RX 6900XT compare in Ray Trace?
@@hrayz The 6900XT seems to run better with RT, but tbf, I game at 4k, which the 2080 struggles even without RT, so not a fair comparison.
For the love of god, skip to 20:10 and save yourself a lot of time.
Lmao my modded app even recommends skipping to that part as the "highlight". Ty for the info
@@panikk2whats is your modded app?
@@fabioribeiro4627 UA-cam vanced. I installed it with magisk but you can install it non-root
Im guessing hes using something like youtube revanced @@fabioribeiro4627
@@fabioribeiro4627 UA-cam v a nced. Idk if it hid my comment last time but that's it. There's a non root install and I just moved to the magisk module install
i bought a 7900xtx last august for $850 and squeezed it into my $2k budget PC build. 4080s were still above msrp at the time so i saved well over $400 and get to game in native 4k on ultra settings in just about any title at 60+ frames. Can't really complain for the amount of juice. I have nothing against nvidia and the super refreshes were a promising sign they have come back down to earth on price, but im feeling good i will be set for the next half decade at least. Pleasantly surprised with my AMD experience after having nvidia gpus for a decade plus.
Do u think the 7900 xtx will be good for 1440p ultra for the next few years?
@@pluschy7886 sure, a 7900XT will also be great for 1440 the next few years as well.
@@pluschy7886absolutely. There's not a single game on 1440p ultra that ran below 100 FPS for me. Most crack the 144 FPS mark easily without RT in native res. Slap an X3D CPU into your build and you're good for a while.
Prices of AMD and Nvidia will likely drop when 8800 xt and 5000 series launch. I've loved my 7900xt, but allegedly the 8800xt will be comparable to the 7900xt and supposedly better in some RT workloads. I think the continuous improvements of fsr and afmf will continue to improve over time.
If you're set on getting a new AMD GPU right now and want decent RT capabilities, the 7900gre is only an extra 50$ and should have a nice uplift over the 7800xt.
They both compete well with 4070 cards and definitely have the edge on the 3070. Another thing I'll recommend is doing as much research as you can, look for videos showcasing the GPUs you're interested in and how they perform in the games you play. These newer games are eating lots of vram, so I'd think either one would be a better long term investment than a 4070 or 4070s.
I upgraded from an RTX 3060 Ti 8GB to XFX 6800 XT 16GB in April 2023. [Also upgraded from a 2600X to a 5800X3D January 2024]
Loving every bit of it.
AM4ever.
This sounds pretty similar to my set up I have a 6gb 1660 super right now but I’m wanting to do 4k gaming I just got a 5800X3D and now I’m just wondering what card I should get!
@@Zuccleberry For 4k60, the 7800 XT or RTX 4070 and up would be a good starting point for today’s line of cards.
Cringe.
@@sandboy5880 Yes you are.
@@dakbassett
Cringe.
Fantastic video and I will continue to support you on Patreon. I am no content creator so I went with AMD several years ago. Got an RX 5700 and I upgraded last Christmas to a 6900XT just like you. I am not interested in ray tracing, rather high resolution high refresh rate since I only play older games with the occasional new release like BG3. I am CPU-limited with my 3600 so I'll upgrade my cpu soon-ish.
I can see myself holding onto this 6900 XT for a long time. Thanks again for the killer videos and I wish you the best.
oh man u truly deserve more views and subs! your videos are so entertaining
Great presentation in this video! Keep it up!
I actually love your setup, because it is way more reasonable than most out there, and quite a bit more relatable too for most the audience - with the prices as they are, very few sport anything above the level of an RTX 4070 / RX 7900 GRE / RX 6900 XT.
Also, with prices per fps not significantly dropping anytime soon, something at the level of an RTX 4060 Ti / RX 6800 ( 16GB 4k gaming ) likely will serve you well for years to come.
Your content is really polished for someone with under 100k subs.
Keep it up man.
Consistency is the key!
Been using a 6900xt gpu for about 18 months or so now, and it’s been really good for the majority of experiences. But Helldivers 2 does not like all their additional post-processing tweaks they apply by default and has caused me a lot of headache. Turned off all those settings and it has resolved the issue.
Nice vid and great channel. Earned a sub!
HD2 works fine....not sure what you mean. FPS is low for the hardware (80-90 fps 1440 nearly maxed out) on OCed 6800XT, but gameplay is smooth.
The real problem is its cpu usage and intel sucking LOL. No problem for me with OCed 5800x3d.
I switched from an old 970 ti and went with the 7900 xtx. I was so mad at myself and regretted it so so much because I had so many issues with it. I had constant driver crashes, I run dual monitors and regularly it would stop recognizing a monitor and not display to it, FPS issues and more. I dealt with this for the last year.
I was so so close to selling it on eBay and getting a 4080 or 90 until about a week ago I decided to update my bios. I updated it when I first build my PC but never touched it again. Just like that every single issue is gone. I feel so dumb for not doing it sooner, I built my first PC over 10 years ago so I like to think I have a decent understanding of what’s going on. I am so insanely happy now that it works. I wish I would’ve tried it sooner.
That's where the issues come from. In an ideal world it should run without having to do stuff like updating BIOS and troubleshoot to make it work. That's why nvidia is probably the better product for the average consumer.
That being said, I couldn't be happier with my XTX and haven't had any real issues myself in the year I owned it.
TL;DW
1. It takes him 5 mins to actually talk about the topic.
2. He bought the card 6 months ago, hasn't played games on it since then. (This alone should give you some idea)
3. He played some games for an hour or 2 just to make this video.
4. Starts the video with the most terribly optimized SP game, Jedi Survivor. Talkes minutes on a game that doesn't work properly at all..
5. Enables V-SYNC on games and caps at 60 on a comparison video....
6. Likes some, dislikes some on other games.
7. Conlusion: He isn't interested in AMD cards. Prefers NVIDIA.
10:31 -- The perf drop could be because of the dense foliage and vegetation that uses a lot of textures with alpha transparency. The ray-intersection test has to make several passes for each alpha textured surface to figure out what pixel is transparent or opaque. One of the RT enhancement in Ada Lovelace deals exactly with this problem -- Opacity Micro-Map -- but I don't know if the feature is implemented in this particular game or it just runs faster on RTX hardware.
It's absolutely the vegetation & it's not even limited to just RT either, it just amplifies the impact of it.
7900XTX for ~940 USD after tax during prime day. Haven’t looked back. Considering that’s cheaper than the $999 MSRP of the 4080 Super (and much cheaper than the MSRP of the 4080 when it came out), I’m super happy. Also price is usually higher since I’m in Canada, so that’s nice too.
I recently swtiched to amd. I love it really much now 1650 to 6600 xt this was the biggest upgrade i could have with my tight budget. The performance is insane and so called driver "issues" I never had a single one
That was also a great card at the time. Wish you well!
@@MarioAPN Also sorry I meant 6600 xt
@alpha63gaming57 uhhh, that is a great, great card. I was choosing between the new 6600xt and used 6950xt. Bought the used one. Came from R5 1600AF, rx 580 and 1080p 60Hz to R7 5700X, 6950XT and 1440p 144Hz monitor. Pff, I was actually blown away.
@@MarioAPN Damn big upgrade broski hoppe you like your new setup also the 6950xt is really good for 1440p
amazing content for this kind of channel size, keep it up!
I have an RX 580 8 gb and its still running strong. I mostly play Warhammer Verminder 2, The Evil Within 2, Wolfenstein and Tom Clancy's Division 2. All of them are running between 50 and 70 fps at max settings and I'm pretty happy with it.
I plan on buying R7 5800X3D and RX 7700 XT this year.
I love my 7800XT. I feel it's performance versus cost wins hands down over an equally performing GeForce card. And while the titles I have tried RT on ran just fine, I really don't care about RT. Like you mentioned not appreciating RT in racing titles, I feel the same way. Focus is on the action rather than the eye candy.
I Love my RTX 3080
I just bought a 7800XT as well. Highly impressed, for 500$ I feel like I got my money's worth coming from a 2080.
I also jumped on the 7800 XT train. Tons of performance in every game I try provided that I turn RT off.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 RT is pretty cool when you have the horsepower to run it-- but the current state of the GPU market keeps it from being a mainstream thing.
There are many reasons why I love AMD, either for the price, vram etc etc, but I also like how in 6 years, because of their open sourceness someone like Nimez will probably create legacy drivers for the GPUs that will be way way cheaper than Nvidia cards for people on lowend budgets
Coming from the 5500xt i got in 2020, which after 1 week of use, sold it. The drivers, holy smokes, so bad. Now, the 6600 i have now, it's a beast. Been using their cpus since 2020, though. Their cpus rock. Now i have a amd gpu, rocks 10x harder.
Dont forget amd SAM@@Daotha67
RX 5000 series did indeed have bad drivers because it was a completely new architecture after a decade almost of using GCN. @@Daotha67
After using Nvidia for like 15 years what really blew me away was the Adrenaline software. It made Nvidia's software look like some ancient crap. And to think that a huge number of people don't even know what they are missing. I went with a discounted 6900 XT. I'd also like to point out how Radeon cards perform better in CPU limited conditions.
@@valentinvas6454Adrenalin is so good, it took me like 5 minutes to OC my 6650XT. I then spent about 5 hours tweaking it, lmao
Switched from a 3060ti to a 7900xt and honestly have had no complaints whatsoever. Excited for your upcoming videos on the 2011-v3 chips you listed! Just bought a 2667v3 for $10.
I was thinking of doing the same any recommendations for what card to choose, I do want the 7900xtx but I'm not sure
@@Teddy_5040 if you are going for amd sapphire, powercolor or xfx stay away from gigabyte msi etc
@@Teddy_5040where I live the 7900xtx is twice the price of the 7800xt, so naturally I bought the 7800xt
UA-cam just recommended this channel to me, and I'm loving the content so far. Will be keeping updated here from now on. Gg wp
Honestly, I switched to AMD simply because I like the company and it's mission more. Nvidia doesn't care about gamers and continuously screws us over. They only care about dirty money and crypto-miners, regardless who they fuck over on the way. AMD is a company of gamers, for gamers. They care about their fans, work hard to improve their products, and price their products fairly.
At the end of day, the choice to switch was easy for me. I'd rather feel like a gamer than a chump getting squeezed for money.
Mining is a bad example, because the vast majority of AMD cards went to miners during the mining craze and Nvidia actually released LHR (low hashrate) cards (the protection was circumvented after a year, but still) to get cards to gamers.
I think it's a somewhat exaggerated view, even as a longtime Team Red member myself. But I agree it's definitely not just "one semi-evil megacorp vs another" 🙄
AMD don't care about gamers. They all just want money. They're profit generating beasts
AMD devices are very buggy and all their cool sound post effects or enhancements make the game run like shit and don’t work
More like ai now
Great video. It's always interesting and educational to see a long form review of living and working with a product, rather than a week of benchmarking on release. I had to upgrade myself from the 3070 due to lack of VRAM. Lesson learn't for the future.
I am curious, did you choose the 6900XT because it lined up well fiscally with your 3070? I was just confused after your intro where you mention that you won't be reviewing old gear because that content already exists, I expected you'd be looking at the 7000's series.
I got an rx 6800 in November and I don't regret it, great purchase at a good price.
0:50 ... my eyes, my ego, my god ... the amount of "blur" in these "new gen games" :/
There's something about your review, and in your channel that keeps me coming back. I am subbed to LTT, Jay2C, TechJesus and Hardware unboxex, but your narrating, flow, and reviews are so polished, mate. Even the GTX TITANS, love it! love your content! you deserve a million subs, even more
Very enjoyable video! I also like your more organic approach to GPU testing. Thank you 🙂 You have a new subscriber.
did not expect to see Star Trek Online in your steam library, one of my fav games at the moment
Played it once after a friend was talking about it. My actual Trek gaming ended with... maybe Armada 1?
TREKKIES UNITE! :)
@@IcebergTech you should check out the armada 3 mod for sins of a solar empire rebellion, its super good
@@MichaeltheORIGINAL1 Live long and prosper, my friend ;)
I was always a big fan of the Elite Force games back in the day. They were fun! It would be interesting to see what a modern Star Trek FPS would look like!
Been using a sapphire nitro 7900xtx on my rig for nearly a year now and it’s been an absolute pleasure. Forgot how good sapphire were at making AMD cards. Great performance, no coil whine, quiet, no crashes or issues, great temps.
Basically plug in and forget.
I regret switching to an rx 6700xt because somehow it can't handle 8k hevc vr video, while my old rtx 2060 had no problem with that. Deovr has confirmed this is a problem from amd. But I got a used one for only about 150 bucks, so at least it was cheap.
HOLY SHIT ONLY 150 BUCKS. THATS SO CHEAP
@@flamingophone yeah you can get pretty good deals on the used market i got mine for about 190$ with box and everything powercolor red devil version about 6 months ago
ahem, can you point me toward those 8k hevc vr videos? i am ready.
@@yugdesiral Ehem... I can say that furry has always been the pioneers in technology. 👀 They've been experiencing 8k vr180 passthrough animations recently. You can find them on google with those keywords.
@@yugdesiral About that, furry fandom has always been the pioneers in technology and has been experiencing 8k vr180 passthrough animations for a while now. I hope you can catch my drift. 👀
Going from my first own self purchased gpu, the Rtx 2070 to a 7900 GRE Has been game changer in regard to experiencing games now: I Cannot recommend it enough for a new video, especially after updating from a near 6 year old card.
My next GPU will be from AMD, I'm sick of Nvidias anti consumerism locking frame gen to 40 series
Here is a hard truth gamers need to accept. Ray tracing is a marketing ploy to make you spend WAY more money than you need. Ray tracing just simply is (in my opinion) not that visually better. Unless you play very slow games with little motion, it just doesn't look good. Even cyberpunk is not noticeable when you are in action which is 90% of the game.
it's a tool for developers to implement so they don't have to spend as much time on lighting effects. whether or not it's a visual upgrade doesn't really matter anymore because it will eventually become the standard when the next generation of consoles hits the market
My friend, rtx is not for gaming, is more focused on the 3d/rendering market (it explains the insane amouns of cuda cores, rt cores and tensor cores)
Went from a 3070 to a 6800xt about 5 months ago, myself. I've got one thing to say to you: AMD Fluid Motion Frames.
I have no idea how it works, but it does. It's insane.
I tried it in more than a dozen games, but all the noise (flickering, ghosting etc.) it adds drives me crazy. Also, it always felt much less fluid than "real" frames, even when the base FPS were at 90ish, and 60 to 120 felt and looked worse than a locked 60 without FMF.
They are the gods in gaming right now
I have never had that Death Stranding Vsync issue before, does adaptive sync help at all?
Yes, alas my capture card doesn’t work with it 🙁
on the road to 60k,
love your work and love to see you grow
keep growing 💪
Thank you for your honesty and frankness
For the budget minded gamer nothing beats a one generation old AMD card, I have heard rumors of teething issues with new cards, but my options were RTX 3070 or RX 6800 when the time came for my last upgrade and I am very happy I went with the 6800, I have had zero issues and it runs anything I throw at it.
I'm waiting for AMD's next rdna gpu launch so I can snag a discounted 7900 xtx
That'll be Sweet..
@@Airbomb Mmmm, nothing better than a former flagship at a sweet discount!
22:02. That's why this is the only benchmark channel that i follow. You are realistic with your tests and opinions. Of course the 4090 is a better card, but i don't have the money to burn in a piece of plastic that's gonna run my games with better reflections. Great video !
You would think since AMD hardware is in both Microsoft and Sony game consoles games would be more optimized for AMD, but we are still dealing with unoptimized AAA(???) garbage from greedy and lazy developers.
I get what you're trying to say, but in most cases it's not the developers who have a say in the quality of the end product, so blaming them isn't really fair. If you did intend to mean the developers, I would like to hear your reasoning.
While no it's not all games, but enough, that are fully optimized for AMD hardware in the console version when ported to PC have all of that removed from the game and in some cases at the request of Nvidia. No I'm not saying Nvidia is behind all of it, but when they do have the chance to influence such things they have.
I went from a 1080 Ti to a 6950 XT this past February! It's been a little rocky but I love the card for what it is.
I switched from gtx1080 to RX7900GRE and i am satisfied :D . Don't have any drivers problems . Previously also switched from gtx760 to rx470 with good results .
And here I am, still rocking my RX 570...will I change it maybe? But for now, still suits my needs. Gr8 vid, keep on delivering quality content like this. Don't even mind a deep dive to technicals if a script requires it.
RX560 pretty decent also, if its ROG(non evo) or some other good build
@@regisegek4675 Have an rx460 with unlocked bios (1024 unified), frm XFX, right now works great for 5 years in my wife PC.
Gtx 1650
I hope you consider getting a 5800X3D next for your personal rig. The X3D plus 6900XT combo is so smooth. My 1% lows went up greatly and in fortnite alone, they went from 120 to 170, which is only 50 fps away from my average fps of 230 (at 1440p btw)
I suppose it's an old video since Iceberg Tech is already using 7500F.
@@korosoid he could also not be using the 7500f since the lower core count could make his video editing worse.
@@steaksoldier 8700K ➡5600X ➡ 5700X ➡ 7500F
Why not get a 7800x3D.
@@mitchjames9350 The motherboard in his personal rig is AM4. Unless he wants to use AM5 for the build going forward, then the 5800X3D would be the best he can get.
I hate nvidia with a burning passion and don’t like amd but I don’t hate amd so I will always get them… oh well. Lesser of 2 evils.
If beloved Terry Wogan had bought a computer, he would have been able to make longer videos than this about having his computer and things, but this is such a delight for those who miss Terry.
I've had Radeons, the latest one being a 6800XT. Never. Ever. Again. There's a very good reason, why the "meme" of Radeon drivers being bad is still a thing. Ever since I switched back to nVidia, in the same use case (gaming, browsing web) this PC has become much easier to live with.
That money you save by getting a Radeon, is wasted quickly on the time spent troubleshooting. My Radeon experience was simply sub-par.
Still rocking my RTX 3060 Ti, but next card, I'm going back to amd, RX 8000 series
why?
Why?
Why not ?
20:48 is the exact reason why Nvidia has been able to charge whatever they like for their underperforming cards. If someone gave me a free 4090 TI, I'd sell it to another sucker. I had only 4 major issues with my 3 years of using AMD RX 6600. I worked around 2 of them by downgrading the driver until the next update fixed it. One was Windows automatically updating my GPU drivers for some reason, and the last one seems to be an anomaly with my specific card, where Square Enix's GotG runs horribly. I also play all my single-player games on Linux and never had to even worry about a single issue, other than how to overclock my card like I do in Windows... and also GotG running horribly (which is why I think it's an anomaly).
Nvidia has completely sold most of the average and the rich gamers on the idea of RTX, frame-gen, etc. This is like believing that you have a chance of having a relationship with an Instagram model that you have crush on, only to end up being the camera operator and a tool to enhance their public perception, just like Nvidia has become one of the highest valued companies.
Say what you want about AMD and Intel, they have done more for benefitting the entirety of the consumer computers by publishing open-source firmwares and drivers, and being much cheaper with performance beyond acceptable for the price. I praise and curse them wherever they deserve. I'm able to see which of their actions are beneficial to everyone in the long-term and/or the consumers as a whole, and I hope more people are able to do so too.
My first pc was with already used gpu, later my brother changed that gpu to rx 480 4gb (idk if it was used or not) but that pc worked almost 7 years for me(i mainly played competitive/fps games) of course with some issues. Now after it got completely dead amd unusable im planing to build a pc for the first time by my own. Would you recommend rx 6600?
@@fubkegt4964 I have no issues in recommending the RX 6600, just make sure to turn off the automatic driver updates from Windows because it will automatically download and update the GPU drivers to something older than what AMD offers. The Windows drivers lack the latest features and conflicts with the Radeon Software. I don't know why Windows does this.
However, RX 6600 is from an older generation at this point. So do the usual research for the GPU that fits your needs for the budget you have.
I think game developers are the ones who re pushing RT not really NVIDIA but nevertheless...
Anyway, let's say you play on 4k and you want the best out there to keep things maxed out ...
What other choices do you have besides 4090 ?
In my opinion (and I had a bunch of cards in my life ), 4090 is a league on its own.
And for the price of it, you can partially also thank to AMD for that for not having a competitive card to 4090...and giving more reasons to NVIDIA to charge it as much as they want.
@@Need4FPS I'm a reasonable person, I don't see the point in gaming at 4K. And my point still stands for it -- those who want that are being exploited because they can't get 4K out of their head. Those who have the money, don't care about the price.
AMD knows that most of their customers are the ones who don't want or can't afford Nvidia's prices, so they don't even bother aiming to compete against 4090.
4090 is a luxary product, like a sports car. Nobody needs that much performance, no matter how much they might say it, they just want it, for graphics flexing.@@aaronplays_
People also have genuine problem on nVidia GPUs
4090s literally burning up their cables
Considering the effort and enthusiasm you spent on the videos, I think the number of subscribers to your channel is much less than it deserves. You've done a great job, keep it up.
really good content
i'm full AMD since 2017 for the price / performance reason
rocking a 6700 xt atm but looking to upgrade as i have a 4k 120hz tv
amd also makes more sense in this case as i'd rather have more vram than better RT, at a lower price
RT is nice but only in a handful of games you see a big difference in image quality
FSR is getting closer to DLSS quality, frame gen is also a thing now with Fluid Frames
I had 1060 6GB last year before eventually switched to RX6800. But after having 6800 for about a year and half, I'd switch back to GeForce for a reason: AMD driver software. It's been years and they are still unable to fix issues on their driver. From pixelated rendered from Radeon adrenaline recording, Premiere Pro acting crazy, to in-game bugs in some games, especially in COD MW3. I don't know about the others, but in Warzone, if I play for few hours, I will experience this thing: flashy white objects (doors, gulag) and audio loss (no sounds from crates). Tried it on Nvidia, never had any issues. Mad thing.
Anywyay, I enjoyed your content. Subscribed already. Cheers!
6:52 Not the gpus fault here. Only using 180w clearly shows a cpu and overall game optimization problem.
I Definitely would think its the games fault, the cpu is below 20% and the gpu is pegged at 99%
It's the game... Try to play with a 120hz monitor with the game set to 60hz, and it runs like ass, but set the monitor to 60hz also and it runs significantly better with far few stutters...
definitely not cpu problem, its a gpu issue, you wouldnt see that with rtx 3070
This man asked Do I regret upgrading to a significantly more powerful gpu? The obvious answer is no... saved you 25 minutes. He went from a 3070 to amd's version of the 3090 and then said he is not satisfied because he wants a 40 series for the reason of 'doesn't everybody (want one)'....
IMHO, most people don't seem to understand how RDNA3 works.
The "voltage" control isn't the same as previous versions. The voltage setting is maximum amount it can be "offset", the most wattage you can draw basically.
I found 1125mv-1130mv worked best. The Core frequency controls the total draw and to a minor degree the fps cap(2965= +8% max fps -3% on 1% fps/ 447 watts).
If you set a RX 7900 XTX to 2665 core max, the video memory to 2714 with default timings, voltage to 1130, and fan to 35% max, you will find it runs about 365watts max with 55 C core, 78 C mem junction, and 75 C hot spot after HOURS of gaming. I run dual 1080p 144mhz refresh AOC monitors using Display Port.
My Uningine: Heaven (defaults) benchmark was 9674. I lock fps to 120 in all the games I play and don't see any issues, even with unoptimized games like Palworld.
I'm genuinely happy to see someone running a AMD gpu have no driver issues, I would be running one myself but both times I've owned one I have suffered horribly with driver issues.
my RX 5700 still powerfull..
Sure
Your content is great, but, you should've postponed this vid to release around now. (8months post switch) That is because 12 hours of gametime over 6 months is borderline laughable if you're trying to compare it to your time with Nvidia cards, which is at least 10-fold, this comparison is too ambiguous to be taken at face value.
Radeon Chill can help you with tearing, enabling it will cap hardware side to give only demanded number of frames, which will aswell help with tearing
This and eyefinity are 2 things that Radeon nailed and Nvidia wasn't able to make work decently, tbh Radeon Chill can make your Haven benchmark output only 60fps, which was funny when i was testing things
Nice video, great editing you will be a big youtube creator very soon!
just got a 7900xt after having a 3080 on lease from a friend after my 3060 fried itself, and even coming from a 3080 the 7900xt is a huge jump. im super happy with its performance and being a linux user its way more simple driver wise. looking forward to sticking with team red for a while!
Not using DDU is I think the biggest problem for those that complain about AMD drivers.
I recently bought the RX 6800; it was my first upgrade from the GTX 1660, and all I can say is that it feels like switching from the Skoda Fabia to the BMW 5 series. Very high performance and total quietude. The only "bad" side is its massiveness; I'm going to buy some support bracket to fix that.
FSR 3.1 just dropped btw
Does the amd 6000 series support the fsr 3.1 or only 7000 series?
@@marcozaghloul1888 yes all GPU's support FSR 3.1. Even Xbox is gonna support it.
@@DavidJonSpem What do you mean by "even Xbox"? It has an AMD GPU.
@@rockapartie Yes but an Xbox is not a PC so don't expect it to have all the same features as a desktop GPU. Upscaling on an Xbox I kinda get but FSR 3 also includes frame generation. It's kinda pointless to have frame generation on Xbox when TV's already have frame interpolation. Am I also not expecting Playstation to get FSR 3.1, just because it has an AMD GPU?
@@DavidJonSpem Oh, you wouldn't want to use frame interpolation of the TV. It's nice for videos (if you like that effect) where input latency is irrelevant, but most TVs have horrible input latency outside of their dedicated game mode. I kept dying and dying in Hotline Miami once (even more than usual ...) and guess what: Game mode was off 🙃
What I meant in terms of FSR was: Of course, developers can use it on Xbox and PS4, too, because it's open source and unlike DLSS not bound to any specific GPU (well, there are some features that work better on RDNA 3, but still). There are even Switch games that use FSR.
I used to be AMD but realized they don't last long in viability....heck my old 1080 GTX is still freaking viable ffs
i'm quite amazed by those kind of "experiments" like it's special, i used ATI/AMD graphics and GPUs since the 3D rage pro from 1998 and never had a problem, ditched NV since the geforce 4ti4200 and never looked back, i'm still integrating NV's gpu's on the builds i do for customers, mostly for productivity/content creation but for 100% "gamers" , you'll get better bang for your bucks with a radeon most of the time...
Hey Mr. Tech, have you seen the FSR 3.1 presentation? It looks very promising and very well could close the image quality gap between fsr and dlss! Also Frame gen being decoupled from fsr is also super cool imo :D
Yes, looks exciting. Can't come soon enough!
I do computer building for clients as a side gig, and if they are looking for strictly a gaming PC with no intention of doing any sort of heavier workloads or streaming I recommend them full AMD systems. if they want to stream or any heavy workloads are intended for the system, I recommend NVIDIA only due to their encoders being better. My own system has a 5800x3d and a 4080Super but I plan on streaming eventually and might be getting a different full time job where the gpu will get more use. But this is down the road.
I also build custom PCs for a living. I like to have an interview with clients to see what their use case, games, and expectations are, and I'll often suggest an amd card, but sometimes that literally loses the sale, because obviously "I couldn't be a professional if I'm suggesting a 7800xt over a riced triple fan RGB 4060 ti"
Maybe the 8000 series will live up to the leaks.
Nice video. Very comprehensive. Good voice-over. Subscribed.
appreciate that your channel is more grounded in financial reality for most people. i splurged on a 4080 recently, but my financial situation has greatly improved over the last couple years and just a few years ago I would never dream of spending 1k US on a gpu. And so many of the other tech channels are focused on the newest stuff which is just bonkers in terms of price:performance and overall value proposition.
I bought an amd gpu (rx 6650 xt) and experienced major issues even after doing DDU stuff and everything, I only managed to fix it by using the "minimal install driver only" install options on the driver installer and actually got the studio driver because the amd drivers were causing blue screens (definitely amd signed DLLs or other files were the causes, I checked the logs and minidumps) and were making my monitor freeze in place when using google chrome, word, blender, photoshop, darktable, lightroom... , 40% of the time not even a driver reset via the shortcut (ctrl-shift-b, I think) would work and I'd just have to turn off my pc using the power button. Going from a gtx 950 2gb which couldn't run davinci resolve at any frame rate to a gtx 1660 super which was amazing at it (1080p60 from a 2017 DSLR), going to an rx 6650 xt was definitely a downgrade (lagging just as you mentioned with any effects, color grading or even text and transitions, barely managed to complete my latest project on it, but it works now, I guess) and for 2.5x the cost it's disappointing, even though I mostly edit photo and not video, I still do it somewhat often. My Blender performance also decreased and the app would just shut down randomly without an error message exactly like in that other guy's video that you mentioned (I got really scared when I found out that was a common issue a few months ago, though it fixed itself with the studio driver), another thing that fixed itself was the google chrome and word issues, word would have flickering text issues and I was struggling so much while writing my 10 page essay about opossums (lol, don't know why that's funny) that I actually learnt LaTeX even though I had a 3 day deadline, that's probably the only other good thing besides the increased gaming performance as I now use LaTeX for everything from physics to math to random ass projects I do that involve equations, I even used LaTeX for my German homework... no game ever crashed though, they all work flawlessly except cs2 on release which was dogshit, it still runs under 90 fps most of the time, but that might be because of my weak old ryzen 5 2600 CPU, but performance this low? going from 260 fps in csgo on a dirty old gtx 950 with the i7 2600 and 300 fps with the ryzen 5 to this sussy mess where it drops below 50 was a definite slap in the face from valve. Not gonna say AMD is trash, not that I had any problems gaming, it was just really shitty for my very mixed "programming, photography, videography, physics, math, random school stuff, 3d rendering" workflow... Also, I experienced crashes in premiere pro and photoshop when clicking on the "pop up buttons that bring up those tutorial menus", though I don't use adobe software anymore (I got a free 1 month sub so I tried the apps, I had prior experience using 2015 versions back in 2019 on an athlon II X2 220 and they were fine, I don't like the new version though, they kind of look like phone apps lol, really unprofessional and cheap, way too hard to use as well). Sorry for the long comment, just wanted to share my experience with AMD.
Trust me it's your 2600. I had a 2700 non-x paired with a 2060super, and doing normal things felt like glue after a month of two of a fresh windows install. I upgraded to a 5600 on the same motherboard with a new bios and practically doubled my frames in cpu limited scenarios. CSGO went from 150 fps to 500-600 fps (before cs2 came out). Windows haven't slowed down ever, it's been 2 years since I dropped in the 5600 with a new windows install.
Hopefully your experience doesn't discouraging from supporting good competition. There's a reason why Ryzen CPUs occupy 7 out of top 10 sellers on Amazon, and have woken up Intel to compete in the past few years. Yes, Intel and Nvidia have this mindshare that they're stable and reliable, but nothing is 100% unbreakable right?
@@Salty_Nutella I'm not really in the mood for an upgrade as I'll likely be needing a laptop in about 12 months for university. Though the ryzen 5 2600 has been great in csgo running at well above 250 fps all the time, it has been underperforming in cs2. That may be true, but all my other very shitty experiences are 100% GPU related as I've gotten better performance with a gtx 950 in some cases which is around 5x weaker I believe.
Very atypical hardware matchup paired with really atypical software
My dude is playing on 60hz
most of the "people" bitching about AMD gpus dont even own an Radeon card and fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck ray tracing
imagine buying the "best" GPU from AMD and not being able to run top tier games at max settings. Thats the reality. AMD fan boys will settle for mediocre performance and justify it with pathetic reasons like "value"
great video! thanks for the content :)
bought a 6750xt and i absolutely love it, its my first pc build and have only encountered an issue so far with warzone but fixed it with one change in the sotware settings, it runs all esport titles at over 150 fps 1440p mid settings, and title like hogwarts legacy look stunning on it
*When you go with AMD:*
*AAA titles 1, 5, 8, and 14 get better framerate than Nvidia.*
*When you go with Nvidia:*
*AAA titles 2, 4, 7, 9, 10, and 13 get better framerate than AMD.*
*Games 3, 6, 11, and 12 are equal in performance.*
Are those numbers for 4090 4080 4070 4060 4050 ?
Thanks
I bet 90% of people who watched this had issues with AMD or have a friend who had issues with it
I got way more issues with ShrekVidia
@@DRedGuiaAMD drivers suck!!
u are a genuine person , u got a sub.
Well made video. Thought you were a larger channel until I saw the subs.
Upgraded from 2060 to 4070ti last summer, dunno why people still buy amd
Very very few people do😂
Most that do are literally on this comment section 😂
Better price more performance compared to nvidia
7800XT > 4070
7900XT > 4080
Both are cheaper than the nvidia counterpart
And iirc 7900XTX > 4080 super but not sure about that one
@@ahmadbugshan9603
DLSS >>>AMD
it is just poor people reassuring themselves thinking they made the good choice
@@shavonmeI bet you only have something like a 4070 and then call people with 1k AMD cars "poor" lmao