I'm 66 and still learning. I'm heading out to buy a dolly and hammer because I have a lot of time and cars I can practice on, and maybe enjoy a new skill/hobby along the way. Thanks!
I called a PDR guy in my town with a very similar dent, right on my wheel well. He tried to pull it and made a couple new wrinkles then said that's as good as it gets. Seeing this technique I fairly confident that I can improve on his work. Thanks for showing this.
Excellent explanation on your process all the way through. I've been in the industry for over a decade and have a full set of body hammers and dollys but get them out infrequently. This was a great refresher.
I've been fixing dings in fiberglass for decades, but never knew how they were fixed on metal. This is a rabbit hole! I'm going to buy a bunch of tools now.
I learned alot watching this. In my inexperience I would just put a dolly behind it and smack the crap out of it until it was smooth-ish. You were barely tapping that hammer and it came out and that crisp body line also. Blew my mind. And I never heard of a polished hammer. I'll look into buying one now. Thank you!
Thanks Bob. Yes I'll be doing more videos on this subject. I haven't had as many views / subscribers as I was hoping for, so they will be going up more slowly than the standard PDR videos.
I’m a little late but man did you show me something I really appreciate you taking time off your day to make this videos I’ll be looking through your whole Chanel soon
Hammer and dolly work is under utilized in the pdr industry. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying we would love to see another video on this subject. Have you ever used this method to remove a deep pit?
Thanks for this great video about a very clear explanation. I'm starting to figure out how metal sheet reacts to any impact (both damaging and repairing impacts).
Its really nice to see someone using a hammer and a dolly. I am an old metal finisher from way back. Currently working in new car manufacturing at the end of the body line. Man, these kids are so green that the manufacturer wont allow them to hit sheet metal with a hammer...so when I start pulling out techniques like this, they all go berzerk. Even the supervisor level and "Heavy" repair personnel dont know this basic stuff. Its like they have been repeating kindergarten over and over again for years and years (and I am trying to talk PHD level particle physics to them). Which is stupid. They need to learn how to do it. It would solve so many problems.
Got some dents in the rear of the bed of my truck. Can't reach a dolly back there all the way. Can I hammer on the high spots without the dolly in the back?
Glad you found it useful Justin. You may also want to check out some of the other videos including the large dent theory videos. VERY helpful to those that are learning the trade.
Yep , I got a lot of it by heating and pushing up from behind with dollie and was more than a lil surprised how much I got it raised but might overdo it get it too high . I did had to tap it back down
How good could be use this technique of dolly and hammer in hail damage on hood, roof and trunk? Im begginer, and im looking for tips and tricks to make my job professional quicker! Thank you for the class!
Hi Bill. Some of the Stanliner tools are variations on some old school tools such as the knife edge tool for creases that sheet metal guys have used for decades. Even the DW Master tool is a copy of an old school slapper that have been used for almost a hundred years.
I'm really thinking of doing it myself though mine is wider though not deep with scratch a somewhat lil bit of a gouge . Is it that necessary to use only polished dollie and hammer ? Polished dollie since it's under the color fender ? Just heat and patiently tap it lil by lil ?
Hey Marty. Very cool never realized this could be used in PDR, How though would you use this method for example under a brace or low access area? Do you get different dollies to slide in and put pressure on the back then hammer out from the top? Show use this Method but under braced areas as we know that is where 95% of our dents are haha!
Thanks! Dollies are mostly for open areas like fenders, rear of quarter panels and doors when the trim is removed. You can use flat or taped tools under braces sometimes to do the same thing. There are lots of different types of dollies for speciality applications such as the stackable dolly shown in this video ua-cam.com/video/brCL5G1QHKQ/v-deo.html
What did you do to remove the dent between 2:45 and 3:00? At 2:45 you can still see the dent. There is a break in the video and at 3:00 the dent is gone.
Yes sorry about that. I mention in the video that I forgot to turn the camera on for a couple minutes after repositioning my reflection light so I could see better. Thats when most of the crown moved. There is still some of the dent left after that but I couldn't get the camera and myself to see it at the same time.
Thank you for the video. I am not a body guy but a DIYer that loves learning new stuff! You keep referencing 'polished' hammers. Is this something you do personally to your hammers? I assume they don't come that way? Thanks!!
I need to find a dolly i can use on a door panel, but can only access the panel from below and between the door card frame if that makes sense. In other words I can’t apply direct line of site pressure. Thinking I need a small dolly on the end of a hammer handle.
As I say in the video at 5:58 I did loose about 1.5 minutes of working footage after the reflection light change when I forgot to put the camera back on. You can still see some of the body line in after that. Filming while working is still something I'm getting used to, so the job went quick once I could see what I was doing. Rather than scrap the video I just mentioned this at 5:58. Doing the best I can here.
The dent was noticeable when added the board. The camera goes off then back on dent obviously was worked out before camera came back on with the board. Before camera came on after the board there was no matching crease. However there's a crease that goes all the way along the fender with the natural crease of the fender at this point. So the finishing work is just for show because it was already fixed prior so when you turn the camera back on. Which is pointless for those of us they are watching to learn or to see how it's done.
Ya not trying to pull anything. I address this during the video. I forgot to turn the camera back on for a few minutes after working the dent, but posted the video because the basic info was helpful. It was a very quick rough video.
Marty, thank you for another great paintless dent repair instructional video! Do you polish all those dollies yourself? How about that chasing / blending hammer, especially the smaller side, does it cause micro "pits" in the clear coat? Thanks!
Those are high quality dollies and hammers from either Martin Tool and Forge or Fairmount Tools. Eastwood is . a good place to get some of these. I hand dress most of my dolly and hammer faces myself though. If there's enough interest I'll put some videos up on how to do this.
It doesn't look like you are putting much force on the hammer at all, is it low force - A LOT OF TIME? Edit* guess I should have watched the whole video first :)
Great videos, Marty! Please check the modified version of our fender tool, now with an attachment for screw-on tips, as you suggested: ua-cam.com/video/q7qgYy-8lz4/v-deo.html
That is why I put the explanation for that error in the description rather than scrap the whole video, as the rest of the content was very informative.
I'm curious what you think the scam is? The work got done, it's obviously the same car and panel. What deception do you think he's trying to pull if he obviously repaired the damage? If it was something other than what he was showing.... what could it be, and why wouldn't he show that??
I'm 66 and still learning. I'm heading out to buy a dolly and hammer because I have a lot of time and cars I can practice on, and maybe enjoy a new skill/hobby along the way. Thanks!
Been a few years....how is the progress and practice goin? Orrr ya still with is? No offense
I called a PDR guy in my town with a very similar dent, right on my wheel well. He tried to pull it and made a couple new wrinkles then said that's as good as it gets. Seeing this technique I fairly confident that I can improve on his work. Thanks for showing this.
Your welcome Kevin
How did it go for you did you try it out?
Excellent explanation on your process all the way through. I've been in the industry for over a decade and have a full set of body hammers and dollys but get them out infrequently. This was a great refresher.
Thanks for the kinnd words. These really are money making tools.
So nice to see a master at work thanks for everything Marty you’ve helped me tremendously
Very nice of you to say Buddy, hope the videos help you enjoy the trade more and make more money!
Have fun!
I’m a beginner when it comes to hammer and dolly work , I can paint like a pro but my hammer and dolly skills needs work!! Thanks for the lesson 🙏🏻👍🏻
You bet.
This is so great ! Thanks for taking the time to film and edit it all so we can learn. Blessings from Australia.
Your welcome Brett.
I've been fixing dings in fiberglass for decades, but never knew how they were fixed on metal. This is a rabbit hole! I'm going to buy a bunch of tools now.
You're right, it is a rabbit hole LOL
As a car dealer which starting to do my own body repair, you got a loyal sub. 💪 #thankyou
Thanks Ruffian
I learned alot watching this. In my inexperience I would just put a dolly behind it and smack the crap out of it until it was smooth-ish. You were barely tapping that hammer and it came out and that crisp body line also. Blew my mind. And I never heard of a polished hammer. I'll look into buying one now. Thank you!
You're welcome Joe
Amazing how taking that crease out, popped the dent out. Highs then lows. Great way to remember. Thanks.
Thank you for this video. Nobody is teaching hammer and dolly for PDR. Could you please do more videos on this topic.
Thanks Bob. Yes I'll be doing more videos on this subject. I haven't had as many views / subscribers as I was hoping for, so they will be going up more slowly than the standard PDR videos.
I’m a little late but man did you show me something I really appreciate you taking time off your day to make this videos I’ll be looking through your whole Chanel soon
Thanks Miguel
You made a very informative video that my brain took note of, thank you
Your welcome
Marty I was a body tech for 18 years and I do pdr now for 8 years and I do work dents like a body man
Yup me to. Most PDR techs don't realize how fast and clean the old school metal working methods are.
Excellent tuition. Great starting video for DIY at home PDR too. Thanks.
Thanks Andy.
I'm just starting to learn this for a restoration project that my father and I are doing, this really helped!!
Glad you found it helpful!
You made that look so easy Marty. Would love to see more videos using dollies.
Thanks Peter. We'll get some more videos up on this subject.
Great tip. thanks. Do the stresses in the metal from the dent release as you shift the dent or will it have a tendency to pop back into place?
Hammer and dolly work is under utilized in the pdr industry. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying we would love to see another video on this subject. Have you ever used this method to remove a deep pit?
No I don't Don. I use very sharp tools for deep pit dents. I have a video on this you may want to check out.
Very helpful and informative, thanks for the video.
Glad it was helpful!
Does that method Also work with aluminum panels
It's a little different method and more difficult with aluminum.
awesome video best teacher on you tube
Thanks for that great comment Marcelino! We have more coming.
I found this very instructive and explaining of this skill set.
Thanks Craig.
Thanks for this great video about a very clear explanation.
I'm starting to figure out how metal sheet reacts to any impact (both damaging and repairing impacts).
You're welcome Jorge
Its really nice to see someone using a hammer and a dolly.
I am an old metal finisher from way back. Currently working in new car manufacturing at the end of the body line. Man, these kids are so green that the manufacturer wont allow them to hit sheet metal with a hammer...so when I start pulling out techniques like this, they all go berzerk.
Even the supervisor level and "Heavy" repair personnel dont know this basic stuff. Its like they have been repeating kindergarten over and over again for years and years (and I am trying to talk PHD level particle physics to them).
Which is stupid. They need to learn how to do it. It would solve so many problems.
I hear ya!1 It's amazing how techs look right past the obvious tools and techniques to do even simple jobs.
Thank you very much for demonstrating skills that take a long time to master.
Your very welcome Carl.
A very big lesson I learned today. Thank you Marty.
Thanks Bilal!
Thanks for another great lesson. Referencing the technique you taught in the last three minutes, does it work as well on aluminum as on steel?
Yes it does but aluminum needs to be worked a bit differently
Marty, I apologize if you've covered this already but can you place a link to the hammer you're using in this repair. Thank you!
Just get a jewelers hammer (also called chasing hammer) from amazon or any metal working tool site.
Thank Marty. I have learned so much from you.
Your very welcome Joel! Glad your benefiting from them.
Very good instructional video from an expert.
Thanks John
If a dent is not on body line, can it just be popped out? Or is this hammer dolly method best
I bought Maddox kit and heat gun . Just did it and looks better if not perfect . The somewhat minor gouge gonna be tough .
Got some dents in the rear of the bed of my truck. Can't reach a dolly back there all the way. Can I hammer on the high spots without the dolly in the back?
No it won't work well.
In body shop class now and doing dolly and hammer work. This is great stuff to help.
Glad you found it useful Justin. You may also want to check out some of the other videos including the large dent theory videos. VERY helpful to those that are learning the trade.
Yep , I got a lot of it by heating and pushing up from behind with dollie and was more than a lil surprised how much I got it raised but might overdo it get it too high . I did had to tap it back down
Awesome! Old school meets pdr
You got it. The old school techniques are making a comeback!
How good could be use this technique of dolly and hammer in hail damage on hood, roof and trunk? Im begginer, and im looking for tips and tricks to make my job professional quicker!
Thank you for the class!
It wouldn't be as effective as standard methods except in open areas
Hi Marty thank you for the lesson would it be fair to say that stanliner tools and technics may evolved from the dolly ? Thanks.
Hi Bill. Some of the Stanliner tools are variations on some old school tools such as the knife edge tool for creases that sheet metal guys have used for decades. Even the DW Master tool is a copy of an old school slapper that have been used for almost a hundred years.
Excellent tutorial Marty!! Thanks for posting.👍👍
Thanks John!
Thank you for the video you did a great job explaining this.
Thanks Dennis
Good work Marty, thanks for sharing with us!
No problem Slavik
I'm really thinking of doing it myself though mine is wider though not deep with scratch a somewhat lil bit of a gouge . Is it that necessary to use only polished dollie and hammer ? Polished dollie since it's under the color fender ? Just heat and patiently tap it lil by lil ?
Depends on you skill level. Go slow and be patient!
Hey thank you for posting this.
Your welcome William.
Hey Marty thanks much for the lesson. Where can I find a hammer like that?
Eastwood or Finesse PDR tools have them
Amazing as always🎉
Jimmeney this is great! can't wait till my first wrecked side swipe is parked ....
Just found this channel. Just subbed! Hoping to see the advanced dolly techniques in your video list 🙂
Hey Marty. Very cool never realized this could be used in PDR, How though would you use this method for example under a brace or low access area? Do you get different dollies to slide in and put pressure on the back then hammer out from the top? Show use this Method but under braced areas as we know that is where 95% of our dents are haha!
Thanks! Dollies are mostly for open areas like fenders, rear of quarter panels and doors when the trim is removed. You can use flat or taped tools under braces sometimes to do the same thing. There are lots of different types of dollies for speciality applications such as the stackable dolly shown in this video ua-cam.com/video/brCL5G1QHKQ/v-deo.html
Marty, is that dolly flat surface made by you? Those type of dollies have all some convex in the utility surface. Thanks
Thats a Fairmount Tool Company standard dolly with a slight convex (not flat) shape.
@@TopGunPDRTraining
Perfect. Thanks for the data Marty.
@@UY_pdr2020 You bet.
Absolutely superb. Thanks for the tips...I've got an identical dint and all the kit :-) worth a try :-)
What did you do to remove the dent between 2:45 and 3:00? At 2:45 you can still see the dent. There is a break in the video and at 3:00 the dent is gone.
Yes sorry about that. I mention in the video that I forgot to turn the camera on for a couple minutes after repositioning my reflection light so I could see better. Thats when most of the crown moved. There is still some of the dent left after that but I couldn't get the camera and myself to see it at the same time.
Excellent work.. Still practicing.. Takes some skill..
That's it Jon. Practice correctly and you'll get there.
@@martyrunik who are you?
I made this video.
@@martyrunik Awesome job.
Thank you for this video 😊
You're welcome Justin.
Another master denter spotted!
Sensei! Plss do hire me! 😍
Thank you for the video. I am not a body guy but a DIYer that loves learning new stuff! You keep referencing 'polished' hammers. Is this something you do personally to your hammers? I assume they don't come that way? Thanks!!
Hi Roger. I have a video on this subject, just search this channel.
@@martyrunik Thank You!
where can I get a small hammer like that ? Only can find bigger hammers
I need to find a dolly i can use on a door panel, but can only access the panel from below and between the door card frame if that makes sense. In other words I can’t apply direct line of site pressure. Thinking I need a small dolly on the end of a hammer handle.
That is called a lollipop and can be found at swap meets sometimes. No one makes them new any more.
Could cut off a cheap harbor freight body hammer
What hammer is this? And where can i find it thanks in advance.
A Jewelers hammer.
How do you do this without damaging the paint?
Modern paint is much more flexible and resistant to damage than is used ti be.
Hey Marty could you teach me how to do pdr ?
Hi Jai. Go to my training website for details. topgunpaintlessdentrepairtrain...
Thanks for the wonderful lesson!
Thanks for all
Your welcome
Good work!
Thanks!
Did you do work off camera when you changed the light??
Yes I did. I forgot to turn it on until I had worked on it for about 2 minutes. My screw up.
Very good instructions
Yes we need more!
Thank you Marty ya please guide us through this procedure 🙏
Good job thanks for the video
Your welcome Ralph
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Your very welcome.
Very g[d workmanship
Great job 👍 men in bodymen for 15 years an I'm want to Learn how to do pdr what type of hammer you use where did you get it.
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It's a Jewelers or Chasing hammer. You can find them in many places, just do a search for the cheapest.
thank you so much thats helps a lot
You're very welcome
Kool video, I can now practice on my cars.
Why would you hit the front of the paint and not the back if you have access to it? :/
Not in PDR. The dolly moves metal while the hammer releases pressure with light hits.
WAIT a minute: where did that dent go at the scene cut at 02:57? He "repositions" and that sucker is damn near GONE after the edit. 🤔
As I say in the video at 5:58 I did loose about 1.5 minutes of working footage after the reflection light change when I forgot to put the camera back on. You can still see some of the body line in after that. Filming while working is still something I'm getting used to, so the job went quick once I could see what I was doing. Rather than scrap the video I just mentioned this at 5:58. Doing the best I can here.
LOVE IT
Thanks Tim.
Awesome tips
Your welcome Tsukasa
I'm interested
Where are you located?
Near Sacramento California.
I dont understand why you would go backwards to penal beating?
Because it's much faster than doing these with conventional PDR.
Respect uncle
The dent was noticeable when added the board. The camera goes off then back on dent obviously was worked out before camera came back on with the board. Before camera came on after the board there was no matching crease. However there's a crease that goes all the way along the fender with the natural crease of the fender at this point. So the finishing work is just for show because it was already fixed prior so when you turn the camera back on. Which is pointless for those of us they are watching to learn or to see how it's done.
Ya not trying to pull anything. I address this during the video. I forgot to turn the camera back on for a few minutes after working the dent, but posted the video because the basic info was helpful. It was a very quick rough video.
Shut Up man. Just watch and learn.
Great! Subscribed
Thanks!
Marty, thank you for another great paintless dent repair instructional video! Do you polish all those dollies yourself? How about that chasing / blending hammer, especially the smaller side, does it cause micro "pits" in the clear coat? Thanks!
Those are high quality dollies and hammers from either Martin Tool and Forge or Fairmount Tools. Eastwood is . a good place to get some of these. I hand dress most of my dolly and hammer faces myself though. If there's enough interest I'll put some videos up on how to do this.
I am too interested in the dolly and hammer
No neither end of the polished hammer causes . micro pits unless you hit too hard.
It doesn't look like you are putting much force on the hammer at all, is it low force - A LOT OF TIME?
Edit* guess I should have watched the whole video first :)
Gud video keep them coming
Great vid
Thanks.
Massa
can you harm the paint ?
Not if the face is highly polished.
👍👍👍👌
Highs First and Then Lows
ALWAYS!!
@@martyrunik These techs are all talking about the lowest low but they don't know HFTLA: highs first then lows ALWAYS
@@TimBoss2000 Ya I know. I probably should do a video on that.
Job vacancy pdr
I screwed it up just looking at it!
Great videos, Marty! Please check the modified version of our fender tool, now with an attachment for screw-on tips, as you suggested: ua-cam.com/video/q7qgYy-8lz4/v-deo.html
mate put some earplugs in
what a BS video...at 2:57 you blanked it out and when camera came back the dent was almost gone....Dont mislead your audiance!!!! waste of time!
That is why I put the explanation for that error in the description rather than scrap the whole video, as the rest of the content was very informative.
I'm curious what you think the scam is? The work got done, it's obviously the same car and panel. What deception do you think he's trying to pull if he obviously repaired the damage? If it was something other than what he was showing.... what could it be, and why wouldn't he show that??