Ikr? some people defending this shitty ending are like "Ellie didn't kill Abby because she needed to end the cycle of revenge" but they ignore that she actually made it worse, and I'm sure families from those people that Ellie killed because of Abby, they now will try to kill Ellie.
"Double blacklist him. No... triple blacklist him" "No... not triple blacklisting him. Show some mercy sir". "You heard what I said. Or Abby will come after you next"
Disappointed and fucking pissed off with how fucking stupid this games story was. Dropped all respect that was built up in the first game just to shove a shit stain new character that's not interesting at all and made Joel look like a fucking idiot.
@@crimsonghoul8983 *Revelation 3:20* Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. HEY THERE 🤗 JESUS IS CALLING YOU TODAY. Turn away from your sins, confess, forsake them and live the victorious life. God bless. Revelation 22:12-14 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
You play 20 hours as Karen wanting to talk to the manager at Mr Peanut. After murdering his family in front of him, the camera fades out as Karen eats a bag of peanuts and cries.
Will Silapheth right bro like I've never had a PlayStation except for my dad's PSP and even I'd pick that shit up bro like fuck leaving that shit I'm taking bitch wit me
@@jw1714 agreed, would have been so much better, but you know Neil Druckmann wanted to shock us and I guess shocking equals good writing for him 🤷🏻♀️😅
Also they justify Joel's death with plot "realism", yet Abby is saved by multiple plot amors throughout the game, with the last plot amor being the worst - "oh I just remembered Joel playing the guitar so I'm not going to drown Abby anymore hehe". Lame AF.
@@str8apem88 they did? What about the parts where you sneak up on groups of them that aren’t even aware Ellie is around? They were just minding their business lol
@@klazeyt2002 it's definitely explained that she knows where Tommy is and it's a lead to Joel. But running into Joel is pure happenstance and definitely lazy.
@KlazeYT It was TOMMY that revealed their names, not Joel. Tommy, who had been living in Jackson the whole time, and had even started trading with outsiders, therefore was comfortable identifying himself. You can also find notes from other people in Jackson that went out on patrols saying that they had offered strangers the opportunity to come back to Jackson.
Funny and sad at the same time. They had such a great foundation with TLOU1, and they managed to give us this shit. But what do I know, it's art and I'm obviously a simpleton...
@@MrQwertyman111 you'll notice how everyone defending this game has an elitist attitude.... Like "listen here, u little shit... This game good, ok??"..... Like we must be sexist, or transphobic or downright retarded if we don like this game....
I'm literally CRYING laughing after watching Joe send Abby off a cliff a few times. I've watched this so many times and it still sends my sides in orbit.
abby was a mistake, and nothing anyone says will change my mind on that. And what's worse, she's probably going to be back in the possible third game, FUCK!
Well, I would've cried laughing even more if I saw Angry Joe or you jump off the cliff over Joel's death despite the time he ruined the cure that'd save humanity.
Ellie killed a nameless guard and that guard’s daughter’s nanny’s coworker’s friend’s 5th grade teacher’s ex girlfriend’s college roommate is gonna kill Ellie in the Last of Us 3 and then we’re gonna play as her while Dina goes out for revenge, also Dina is gonna take her kid with her on this dangerous quest for revenge
Well, to give Naughty Dog a little credit.. Abby knew Joel had a brother named Tommy, so when Tommy said "I'm Tommy and this is my brother Joel", Abby was rather safe to assume this was the Joel she was looking for.
@@darencolby1916 It's more the fact that the Japanese games are bordering on simply softcore erotica, and Sony decides to full censor them. But a game showing fullblown nudity and the equivalent of gay sex, is A-Okay. I've been with sony since it's first console was introduced, and they were a beacon for developers and expression in games, these days, you know it's backwards when their competitor Nintendo, is being lax on sexual themes in video games! The PS5 doesn't look promising if this blatant censorship and xenophobia of foreign games continues.
Seriously man lmao Most of us (Hispanics) don't say Pendejo all the time, like how these Far-Left media's like to portray our people like lmao.. They're ironically being racist themselves. It's like if they made a black guy some sort of Gangster in a movie about oppression and un-justice in America. It goes completely agaisnt what they're trying to do 🤭 Such dumbasses with loud mouths..
Are they supposed to stand there and get killed by infected🤣 they would have to be the most paranoid people on earth to think they was about to get fucked up
@@alisoyupak2730 Joel is literally the ultimate paranoid survivor, it's fundamental to his character and what has allowed him to live for decades in a hostile apocalypse. Being forced to shelter with potential enemies doesn't mean you immediately lower your guard and become chummy - that's a common sense lesson Joel would have learned ages ago. And that goes double for when you're right outside of the town you're protecting, which Tommy specifically mentions is vulnerable to attack from groups like hunters. The fact is these people meant Joel great harm, and the real Joel would have sensed that a mile away. But alas, he needed to die, and the writers took the lamest and laziest way to achieve that - they dumbed him down.
the "AHYIAH AHYIAAH AHYIAAHTTAYAMIND!" needs to be made into a recurring special effect clip insert into all future Angry reviews. It's iconic, epic and hilarious. lol
Or the Rattler guy at the end that Ellie killed with the SMG, the guy who told her where Abby was. We should definitely get him as a DLC character and have more flashbacks inside of flashbacks inside of more flashbacks and have his sisters uncles brothers step fathers grandmother special ed son hunt Ellie down and kill her within 37 minutes of the game. And have 75% of the game be played as the sons neighbor who’s caught cheating and have him be redeemed until they catch up to the main timeline when Ellie dies. Idk that was messy but I still made a better story than this game did 🤣😂🤣
Joel was done extremely dirty in this game. He was one of the most interesting “protagonist” in gaming and was treated with no care. Kill Joel if you want but it could’ve done with respect to the character and the fans. Like Angry Joe said it was done for shock factor.
@meathead2934 I know right? It's insane that Joel could die like that in a world with no justice system or police to deter you from committing such acts. So unrealistic.. 😂
I'm convinced Mel (pregnant lady) was written into the story by a man or a childless woman. NO mother who was pregnant a few months would've said "Oh yeah, when I was 7 months along, I totally was ready to fight some Zombies and soldiers!" You feel tired, your feet are swollen, you need to pee every other minute and eat like a horse. Gunning down some people during a gang war isn't exactly high on the list of priorities at that point.
@@letsBrn fr, I’m still waiting on his next vid but it seems he’s going for hour long videos now so who knows what he will come up with next. I’m going to miss the idea of what last of us part 2’s story was suppose to be, if you ask me, this was suppose to be a coming of age story for Ellie while being a departure from Joel (whether it’s her leaving Joel to possibly find her mother or search for answers, with Joel dying in the 2nd or 3rd game). Because Ellie and Joel are what makes last of us, and what’s ironic is that Neil druckman had said that in the grounded documentary. It was really exciting for me to see where it would go with Ellie, and this mystery character that looks like it could possibly be Ellie’s mom or someone related. The fact she was 19 and I was 19 when the game released, with the game taking place in Washington where I had lived. With Ellie being someone like me who always wears converse and bullshits lol. I had even pre-ordered the game with the collectors edition before the leaks had come out about the story. I had ignored it though cause in my mind I was thinking there’s no way the story is gonna be bad. Then the first hour of the game happened and I was furious ngl when I saw her bring up the golf club so early into a 25 hour game. And Abby is not even related to Ellie as her mom or sister. Joel’s swept under the rug unless you count that one flashback with them which I thought was amazing, tommy is just all over the place and Dina and Ellie’s relationship doesn’t feel as purposeful or bittersweet in any way . And the story just went nowhere and I wish it never happened if I knew it was gonna be this bad. It hurts to say honestly cause that’s how much I wanted the 2nd game to be good, it may be weird to some but stories are everything to humanity.
This is a telltale game more than it is a zombie game. I dont even think its a zombie game with such poor reference to science or even the pretty well known area of biology from a layman. You dont have to be a dr to know fungus is the most stupidest choice for zombie apocalypse. Virus, Bacterial, Alien xenobiology, protozoan, fuck even archae would have made a better choice. The amount of true research depth done is the tell tale sign of how much effort was given for nuance and realism. And this lazy attitude can be seen across the entire series right from even part 1. Fungus general can survive out of dying things thats it. If the fungus were to continue the infection, it would need the host to be dying...not flailing around or with horde migrations..thats climate and geology which have no effects on fungus. Now that i think about it, even mutated algae wud have been more believable. This is not a zombie game, its a stoopid person who thinks hes a scientist or scifi writer game who completely obfusticates himself
I cannot agree with you more. I remember watching the trailers and thinking that the plot was that Dinah died and Ellie was seeking revenge against her killers. And Joel is trying to find Ellie to stop her from becoming like him.
Not enough people talk about Abby betraying the wlf, who she has been surviving with for at least 2 years. And her friends who she survived with her entire life, for lev. Someone she has known for 1 day.
@Toxicity Ellie brought it upon herself. She could have walked away at any point. She had a family and a future when she got back to Jackson, and she threw it away for vengeance.
I'm still shocked that they compared this horrible story to Schindler's list which btw actually made me cry, movies almost never do that for me and for them to say this games story was Schindler's list levels of good... it just bugged me on so many levels because I highly disagree.
I have come back to this review years later just because of how much Joe tells the truth in this one and how funny the skits are. TLOU2 still really leaves a sour taste in my mouth story wise and I have honestly thought about going back to give it another shot but there is no way I can bare this story a second time.
@@im-nobody It really isn't having to play over half of the damn game as Abby really makes you hate playing it. You just can't get invested in the story because it feels like someone brought home your long lost childhood dog to play with and as soon as you saw it happily trotting through the door, tail wagging, they blasted in the back of the head as your stare in horror and then they call you a racist/transphobic/misogynistic fascist when you dare complain about the bait and switch.
It's a remarkable game and Joe has no credibility given the fact that he covered the leaks and developed a strong hatred for the story before playing it. His critiques of the story are laughable and childlike. This review was a low point for this channel.
YES JORDAN! Finally I have found someone who understand how people work. Other opinions are neither good nor bad nor right nor wrong. Changing people’s minds to conform with your beliefs (ESPECIALLY FOR A VIDEO GAME) is bad and wrong.
As soon as Tommy acts like an idiot and goes on a suicide mission I already felt like the characters were now just plot devices and didn’t actually have brains in this game.
The thing I'm most pissed off about is the hypocricy. Revenge is bad for Ellie but then Abby does it it's ok. In general, one of the things I hate the most is hypocricy and double standards.
I just finished the game today. Feelings lots of feels about Joel and Ellie. Now I’m allowing myself to look at all the things that could have spoiled me through the years like this video lol. If you want my honest thoughts on this subject, I think it doesn’t matter. Ellie wanted Abby dead so that it could bring her peace, but at the end I think she accepted that she won’t get it. Killing Abby won’t bring Joel back. It won’t make her happy. But at least if she lets Abby live a little kid may have a life.
No it wasn’t “ok” for Abby. She got her revenge, but in the end it proved not to do anything for her. She was still having nightmares about her dead father. Her mission to kill Joel also fragmented her friendships and pushed them away, plus Ellie killed most of them as a direct result of Abby getting revenge. The point is that Abby went through with it and got punished for it, and while Ellie got punished as well, at least she was better than Abby in her ability to spare her.
Cause Abby is Trans and didn’t you get the memo Trans people can’t be bad and can’t make bad decisions DUH . Damn I hate woke culture is has help ruin so many things
4 years later and I still don't understand how Abby is so jacked. Did she find a stockpile of steroids? I work out. I eat protein. And my arms aren't twice the size of my head.
Sony is actually calling publications that gave it a bad review lol Polygon and Vice have talked about it. Other places are saying that they've been bullied in the past too.
I just watched the last 20 minutes of the game, and liked it. Basically from right before the boss fight till the end. I thought it was well done. Probably an unpopular opinion on this channel. Now, that's not necessarily how I'd feel about the execution of the game as a whole. Just the story, as a concept. Joel kills Abby's dad, betrays Ellie. Ellie doesn't forgive him, Abby kills Joel, denying Ellie ability to forgive him. Ellie tracks Abby across the land, has opportunity to kill Abby to take revenge, and forgives her. She couldn't forgive Joel, but she can forgive Abby. Just that concept, ignoring the execution, is pretty beautiful IMO. Note, I never played either of these games, I don't even own a PS4. But I think I can still comment on the story as a concept.
Albert Johnston you don’t understand. you didn’t spend the whole first game establishing an emotional connection with joel. you didn’t wait 7 years for the sequel. ND destroyed joel’s character for shock value. they made him leave his guard down which he would never do, and brutally murdered him with a golf club at the hands of someone we not only don’t know, but also don’t like. then we had to play as them. then we finally got a chance for a little bit of satisfaction and were denied that too. it’s terrible all around
@@elanadeshina7521 Like I said, I like the concept. I have little to nothing to say about the execution because I've played neither game. Though I do think the ending was executed well, if you isolate the shit out of it. As in, if a person like myself who has little context aside from knowing the overall story watches it, yeah, it's good. But I totally understand how that could be frustrating as shit to an invested person. I saw another comment that compared it to if John Wick left the guy alive that killed his dog, or even worse if it tries to make you like the guy and dislike John Wick. Fuck. That.
@@albertjohnston1026 Ok, but your analogy has a flaw, as Ellie garishly kills hundreds of innocent people to get to abby. It's more like: you are forced for 20+ hours to gorge on hundreds of mud-pies all childishly made and poorly constructed as enemies thus slowly working your way from dining table after kitchen table until lastly reaching (the last of us dessert boss)... (a piece of cake no less and its at the kids table.) One slice that you truly deserve to savor the flavor of as Abby finally surrender their brawny grasp on it and hand it over to you, it is your just deserts. But you suddenly decline the offer and like a tick now fully engorged, you say: "no thanks, I'm full." And then you foolishly desert your mission and slink off into the desert to die of dehydration or heat exposure.
@@albertjohnston1026 i find it ridiculous, and extremely unrealistic. No one is going to forgive abby and not kill her. to Not allow the player to make the choice to kill abby is fuckin outrageous. We should have been given the opportunity to avenge joel. Thats all I was thinking the entire time was "wow I cant wait to kill this butch bitch who killed my favorite character..." and then NOPE stolen from us. Our righteous revenge is not allowed. but its WONDERFUL for abby to get her revenge right? but not us?... screw that. It would be one thing if it was done well, but the story is not done well at all
he's right though, i don't care if that clip gets meme'd to death, they were out of their minds with this shit story, Last of Us shouldn't of had a second game, when we got shit like this
I love that Joe doesn't give a $#!t about companies giving him grief over perfect scores. He gives his truth and I respect him for it. We love you Joe!
This sums up his opinion. He did t like the characters because he had bias not because of bad writing. He wrote them off as soon as they introduced. 🤷🏾♂️ his opinion is shit in this case and part 1 had PLENTY of convenient moments where shit “just worked out” did it not?
@@wanted247ha8 I honestly don't understand why you people defend the game. I didn't even play the game and I hate it. I actually watched a walkthrough of it.
Hellstone I honestly don’t understand why you people hate the game you never even fucking touched it and you claim you hate it. Talk about a useless opinion that adds nothing to the conversation.
Joe's reaction to the Abby sex scene is gold. It's like he's hit with shock and horror at the same time, in sheer disbelief of what he's watching. Honestly, I'd have done the same, since the scene comes out of nowhere
@@thatromanfella8377 Honestly the sex scene would of been better at the beginning of the game cause those two waking up together like that I immediately thought they were lovers. But yeah... personally disliked both the characters and abby looks "badass" or is presented in that way but if we are talking about physical appearances or sexual attraction then no she looks like a dude or what some people assume butch lesbians to look like or trans MTF to look like. Not hating cause honestly I don't care about any of that shit as long as the character design is done right and they make the character likeable. Nowadays they seem to make tropes to appease SJW's or to be inclusive instead of designing good characters that are relatable/likeable. It's sad that characters from movies/games 20+ years old are more likeable/relatable or overall better designed than characters in movies/video games of today and that is because of the politics being brought into the media that is video games and movie industry.
Kaka poopoo you thinking the game is bad doesn’t make his opinion “unrealistic”... The game got unnecessary hate in my opinion... I mean the first game establishes many times that Joel isn’t a good guy. At least he wasn’t. And him killing Abbys father is one of the more “harmless” things he does... And don’t forget, you as the player want Abby dead for what she did to Joel, but don’t forget you killed her father too... The same thing.
It's funny how the writers and tlou2 defenders justify Joel's death plot with "realism", but then Abby gets like 10 plot armors throughout the game - talk about being realistic
@@pascal5318 I mean, the fact that Ellie did have plot armour in the second game is pretty undeniable. Also, i'm "fine" with the major events of TLOU2, i just think the structure was *really* bad.
I don't know who were the "main" writers of that game, but it's obvious they straight up copied the plots of The Road and Children of Men... and Naughty Dog made it seems like they invented this kind of post-apocalyptic drama, they took credit for something created by Cormac McCarthy and P. D. James. Which is disgusting, I just can't take this seriously... and guess what, these novels didn't had sequels, so Naughty Dog had to come up with their own story... and look at the result. I really hope in the near future, when Last of Us 3 becomes a thing, even more condescending and messier, people will look back at the first two games and realize they were never great to begin with, plagiarism does not deserve praise, period
@@darn0k1 Bruce Straley was the main writer for the first game, iirc. He was the one who shot down Neil's stupidest ideas, chief among them being that he wanted to make the second game's plot be the first game's. Apparently Tess, instead of Joel's most trusted partner/closest friend/probable lover, would have been a recurring antagonist tracking Joel and Ellie across the country because she wanted revenge after Joel killed her brother in a firefight. Bruce took one look at that plot and went "Tracking a person on foot for thousands of miles in a zombie-infested post-apocalyptic wasteland? That's absurd and totally immersion-breaking, that's going on the cutting room floor." He's well-regarded for fun, character-building dialogue, which the first game has in spades with Joel and Ellie. He co-directed all of the Uncharted games with Amy Hennig, but left after the release of Uncharted 4, which makes sense since that game was essentially Neil Druckmann strong-arming Hennig out of the company, throwing out her original plot and script, and shooting the franchise that was Straley and Hennig's baby in the head. The abominable crunch with UC4 because of Druck throwing out the original script also probably pushed him to leave. The Last of Us' good writing almost certainly rests on Straley's shoulders infinitely more than Druckmann's.
It's like this: Even if mankind was restored, it'll probably go back the same it was before....people living their boring lives, crime rates, economy....it'll feel like the cure for mankind was all for nothing
TLOU Part 3 start of storyline should be like *Somewhere in the forest* Joel: Ellie..Ellie.. wake up kiddo, we need to leave and get back to Jackson before dawn" Ellie: Oh shoot, my bad Joel, I had a very bad dream. Start of game.
Idea I made a year ago for the last of us 2: You start as Joel, eventually he goes in this building & 3-5 hours after game begins: So a building explodes and Ellie, realizing Joel was in said building, digs through rubble, then gives up, though Joel crawls through the wreckage and Ellie helps him. Some foreshadowing will happen here and there if you pay attention. Either late or mid game (or 3-5 hours before game ends) she gets ambushed by bandits who attempt to rape her. She struggles and screams to Joel for help, he proceeds to stand in place, with a horrified look on his face, like he's unable to do anything. A bandit says, "who the hell you screaming at bitch?" Ellie then comes to realization and flashbacks to a scene showing a dead Joel with one of his arms blown off, in the building wreckage, but hallucinates Joel coming out of said wreckage. She hallucinates other moments to sort of cope with his death. Example: certain characters being confused and looking at her weirdly when interacting with Joel. She then snaps out of it, grabs her switchblade to kill the bandits. She stabs the last bandit repeatedly till she then starts crying. Joel puts his hand on her shoulder. Ellie yells at Joel saying that she "failed him" & Joel saying something like "there was nothing you could do, don't blame yourself". They have a little chat, say their goodbyes, & as Joel gives a little chuckle, turns the other direction, and as he walks into the distance, fades into nothingness. Ellie curls into a ball a cries her eyes out for a minute, and proceeds with whatever she was doing. Foreshadowing examples: -If paying attention, you may realize Joel's clothes look unusually neat, despite being 25 years after the event, & being, idk, months after the explosion, I guess? -When interacting with Joel, some characters will act confused and look at Ellie weirdly. -Joel seemingly talks to others normally, but talks to Ellie in a calm tone of voice and hardly yells at her, like she's some child. -in a couple levels when you separate from Joel and reach your destination, he'll get to the location first as if he seemingly warped there. Ellie eventually asks how he does that, he simply replies, "found a shortcut". Something I thought of about a year ago, some stuff I thought of later on. What do you think?
Ismail Dude you’re awesome! The story makes waaaay more sense. That is the very reason why we loved the first game, the story just revolve around them. We can add a couple of new characters here and there but not necessarily force the players to play and love them. That is manipulative af. Yea we can accept Joel’s death but make it in an acceptable way, like this guy’s storyline. Kudos to you bro! 💪
I really like your suggestion of having players play as Abby and her father first not knowing who they are, it would've made us develop a liking to them, only to eventually find out Abby's dad (who the players would've been attached to as a "Joel" figure at that point), is the doctor Joel killed in the first game. That would've been SO much better! God, I wish we could go back in time and rewrite the past.
@@FireStarJutsu I disagree because this isn't the same kind of thing that part 2 was aiming for. We had to know next to nothing about Abby so we could have that enormous wall of hate to overcome. Giving her a backstory before she killed Joel horrifically would offset the impact of the ending when you realise you don't want both women to continue suffering. It's only because we don't understand anything about Abby at the start that we can begin to understand her through learning her backstory and seeing her developing relation with a child from an enemy faction. I'm not saying that idea which you proposed wouldn't work - hiding the relationship between Abby and her father with the story of Ellie and Joel's but it would've resulted in a way different theme and experience than what was intended.
@@bug688 and arguably a better theme in my opinion. You talk about the ending and players "not wanting both women to suffer anymore" and there's no way you can guarantee all players come to that opinion. Having Abby be a random that kills Joel does form that wall of hatred pretty well, but it runs the risk of that wall never melting away regardless of how much of her backstory or new relationship with Lev we experience. I feel like that's the angle you're not acknowledging. Look at Tommy. If a character in game can maintain that hatred, knowing what Joel did. Knowing Abby lost everyone else. Knowing she has Lev to take care of, and none of it mattering because of what she did to Joel...players will have that opinion too. Doing it in the inverse creates a genuine new bond for the players to form. One very similar to the one that worked in the first game. Players would connect with Abby and her dad's relationship naturally without the baggage of hating Abby for Joel's death. Making Joel's death more of a conflicting emotional event than just a "wall of hatred" producing event. I really don't think the themes would be that much different. The only difference between them is that with one, we don't feel that pure desire for revenge Ellie felt. We instead feel conflicted because we understand there's no right or wrong. Abby felt immense pain too. Joel was no saint. Actions have consequences. And revenge is a poison. Literally all themes the game tries to hamfist down the player's throat later down anyway, are more effectively executed this way. Sacrificing one minor intention for the overall success of many other of the game's themes results in a better story in my opinion
@@thedarkone7887Have to disagree. I played Ellies part full rage after Abby. I wanted that shit as much as her. Then i got to know Abby. When i the player didnt want revenge anymore, just wanted to be in peace with Dina in Farm, the game continued. And i tried to NOT kill Abby. To see If there were an alternate path. But i had to smash that drowning button. The prompt dissapeared exactly when i stopped pressing the Button in a last try of "alternate ending". I was fucking relieved when Ellie let Abby go. I feeled the revenge and i feeled the last fucking moment of regret. Just as Ellie. I thing ND did EXACTLY what they intended to do.
@yumartins7872 and that's alright. I'm genuinely glad you were able to have that experience. But I doubt that's the majority of the player base, yunno? I mean, I myself, in the end did the exact same thing as you. To be fair. I hesitated and died many times on that beach fishing for an alternative ending. But it wasn't because of any compassion for Abby or even Lev. It was simply because I felt Ellie didn't need that hanging over her. The guilt of Joel's death wouldn't have been as severe as the guilt of her revenge I think. I also think she should have stayed on the farm with Dina and the baby. I'm not saying it was completely ineffective the way they did it... just that, in my opinion, reversing the events would have helped it reach more players.
Its not wrong if you kill random people, but its wrong to kill someone for the sake of revenge. Its simple. Propably one the hundreds of random npcs you killed, had a kid that will Hunt ellie in part 3, and dinas daughter will then hunt the murderer. Such great storytelling, 100/10, masterpiece
It's the same how we're supposed to care about killing Alice the dog as this huge tragic moment but we've already been indiscriminately killing identical dogs for the last like 6+ hrs..
She let go of Abby because of Lev, but the game did a terrible job at showing the viewer that. The line "just take him", could easily be missed and I thought they should have done a better parallel between Lev and her at the beginning of the game.
@@PantakesVGP Ellie realises the error of her ways at the end though, she goes through a journey of death to see that death isn't the answer..and what does she get in the end? she's all alone. It's not rocket science people! :)
Nah, he got exactly what he wanted. He knew people would react like this, it's part of his artistic vision and exactly why Joel was killed at the start of the game, with no attempt to humanize Abby to start off. Get people to hate Abby, then try to convince them otherwise. Anyone who is unable to let go is labelled an immoral person for not forgiving Abby, or criticized for "not understanding the games message".
Sadly, for him to be kept up he would need to be a human, with human emotions. Cuckmann cares little for those he thinks are "beneath" him, which of course is funny since he took all the credit for a franchise he didn't create to then run it into the ground
Dutch: We can't always fight nature, John. We can't fight change. We can't fight gravity. We can't fight nothing. My whole life, all I ever did was fight. Marston: Then give up, Dutch. Dutch: But I can't give up, neither. I can't fight my own nature. That's the paradox, John. You see?
I know the feeling of going to a restaurant and ordering your favourite dish... And they changed the recipe or ingredients or chef and it doesn't taste good anymore. One of the worst, small sad things in life.
@@Breeceboy So first insults, now blanket judgments about my character. Over my opinion on a videogame. Your elite enlightenedness should know that seeking out people to insult based on a differing opinion says a lot more about you than anyone else.
Joel kills everybody for no reason and dooms the world because of selfish reasons. All after a game thats essentially 1 big escort quest. Tlou fans: "omg its the best game ever" A game with an actual engaging story about revenge and its consequences with an attempt to add more than 2 fleshed out cast members. Tlou fans: "reeeeeeeeeee its the worst game ever." Ya makes sense😂😂
Dina : "you recognize any of these guys?"
Ellie : "no."
TLOU Part 3 : ellie get killed by the father of a random bandit she killed in part 2.
Won't be so surprised if it happen.
@@iqbalmohamadradzi4387 "SubVErtInG eXpeCtATioNs"
BUT GUIS!!!!! ELLIE KILL!!!!! ELLIE EVIL!!!!!!! HURRRDURR
@@decentlyaverage9483 Exactly! 😂
Ikr? some people defending this shitty ending are like "Ellie didn't kill Abby because she needed to end the cycle of revenge" but they ignore that she actually made it worse, and I'm sure families from those people that Ellie killed because of Abby, they now will try to kill Ellie.
“it’s a story about right or wrong written by people who think they’re always right” - quote from a Japanese player which perfectly sums this game up
Who's this Japanese player?
Yup
Perfect
Wow that’s as concise as it gets!
@@__sleepy__5910 Hideo Kojima. Look him up.
Neil: “Blacklist Angry Joe.”
Naughty Dog: “But sir, you already made us blacklist him.”
Neil: *”Then un-blacklist him, and blacklist him again!”*
Jay curious yes he’s an awful person. Neil, that is.
Double-Secret Blacklist!
"Double blacklist him. No... triple blacklist him"
"No... not triple blacklisting him. Show some mercy sir".
"You heard what I said. Or Abby will come after you next"
Or send in the accusers!
Have the rolling stones killed
"In the last of us, I became Joel"
"In the last of us left behind, I became Ellie"
"In the last of us pt 2, I became disappointed"
NakeyJakey.
I quote, the hotboy himself, NakeyJakey
Disappointed and fucking pissed off with how fucking stupid this games story was. Dropped all respect that was built up in the first game just to shove a shit stain new character that's not interesting at all and made Joel look like a fucking idiot.
@@crimsonghoul8983
*Revelation 3:20*
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
HEY THERE 🤗 JESUS IS CALLING YOU TODAY. Turn away from your sins, confess, forsake them and live the victorious life. God bless.
Revelation 22:12-14
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Last of Us 3 synopsis: Ellie eats a Snickers. Finds out she’s allergic to peanuts. Dies. You play 20 hours as Mr Peanut.
least it would have been funny unlike this
You play 20 hours as Karen wanting to talk to the manager at Mr Peanut. After murdering his family in front of him, the camera fades out as Karen eats a bag of peanuts and cries.
you then watch a flashback of the peanut being processed into a snickers.
Keep in mind
You made the sequel to service the fans
You don't make a sequel to grab different audience
Genius, perfect sequel, I can't wait to never play it.
Ellie picks up all the trading cards
"Ellie sees a free PS Vita"
Ellie: naaahhhhh
PS Vita
She oldschool
Will Silapheth right bro like I've never had a PlayStation except for my dad's PSP and even I'd pick that shit up bro like fuck leaving that shit I'm taking bitch wit me
It even had Hotline Miami! COME ON!
@@gowary right, thank you..I never had a Vita so all I was thinking about was a PSP
49 minute review?
Joe: "You don't get to rush this."
'Puts on wig, brandishes golf club'
Oh yeah Gaymur time
Haters: "Who are you to do a 49 minute review?!"
Joe: "Guess."
@@GENKI_INU Haters: "Whatever speech you got rehearsed and let's get this over with"
@KitMellow
Salty Fanboys: “Im gonna find......and I’m gonna kill....every.....last... one of them”
@@cosmickeyboard9811 except for him, he gets to live...
Crazy how that one Joel and Ellie flashback brought more emotion than the rest of the game.
Yes!! One of the only good things about this game :(
@@oz2428 yeah it sucks they could’ve made an entire second game leading to Joel’s death without forcing anything but oh well
@@jw1714 agreed, would have been so much better, but you know Neil Druckmann wanted to shock us and I guess shocking equals good writing for him 🤷🏻♀️😅
Joel flashbacks were the only good parts of the game
Doean't work with me because I dislike Ellie so much.
"My name is Tommy and this is my brother"
"...Wiseau"
O hai Ellie
That’s hilarious
in tha minute is the tommy thing?
Nicholas Rowley “i did not hit her”
"So how's your sex life?"
**Abby & Neil Druckmann sex scene flashback**
Sony: Naked anime girls bad. Shame on you.
Also Sony: "Trophy Unlock: Naughty Dog-gystyle"
Neil definitely went hard for the sex scene to be added to the game.
At least Japan is Safe from the Sex Scene then Us
Those anime girls are underage in the story that's why.
😂😂😂 wait a minute, is that the actual name of the trophy 👀👀
LMFAO No way, the name of the trophy is a masterpiece.
All the build up to this game went into abbys body
Bruh 💀💀💀
that is actually a good read into the lines, meaning that our expectations for the game killed Joel.... according to Naughty Dog
Bruh im dead
and daily injection of testostrone + hgh for them manly arms.
Lol i stopped right after that
It’s amazing that the writers didn’t consider the fact that Ellie brutally kills like 200 people before sparing Abby
Also they justify Joel's death with plot "realism", yet Abby is saved by multiple plot amors throughout the game, with the last plot amor being the worst - "oh I just remembered Joel playing the guitar so I'm not going to drown Abby anymore hehe". Lame AF.
And even then they deserved it. Besides, they always attacked her first.
@@str8apem88 they did? What about the parts where you sneak up on groups of them that aren’t even aware Ellie is around? They were just minding their business lol
@@klazeyt2002 it's definitely explained that she knows where Tommy is and it's a lead to Joel. But running into Joel is pure happenstance and definitely lazy.
@KlazeYT It was TOMMY that revealed their names, not Joel. Tommy, who had been living in Jackson the whole time, and had even started trading with outsiders, therefore was comfortable identifying himself. You can also find notes from other people in Jackson that went out on patrols saying that they had offered strangers the opportunity to come back to Jackson.
I’ve been waiting for this more than the game lol
Truth
TheTruth0492 same
7 years
He’s preaching
We all did buddy
13:29 what makes it so funny is how genuine Alex's reaction is...... "what? you guys are leaving me? I don wanna play this shit.......!!"
That's essentially a torture lol
Haha that's hilarious
Funny and sad at the same time. They had such a great foundation with TLOU1, and they managed to give us this shit. But what do I know, it's art and I'm obviously a simpleton...
Hahahaha I don't how ppl even play this shit
@@MrQwertyman111 you'll notice how everyone defending this game has an elitist attitude.... Like "listen here, u little shit... This game good, ok??"..... Like we must be sexist, or transphobic or downright retarded if we don like this game....
That guy looks nothing like Abby, his arms are too small.
Abby should have been played by OJ.
@@hermannabt8361 Peak Arnold.
lmao
Abby: Do you even lift, BRO!?
dark souls
I'm literally CRYING laughing after watching Joe send Abby off a cliff a few times. I've watched this so many times and it still sends my sides in orbit.
abby was a mistake, and nothing anyone says will change my mind on that. And what's worse, she's probably going to be back in the possible third game, FUCK!
@@str8apem88 they had several years making this game it definitely wasn’t a mistake lmao
Funny how Joe doesn't like this but says he's not a transphobic or sexist BUT if u don't like episode 3 of the show ur homophobic!
Huh?
Well, I would've cried laughing even more if I saw Angry Joe or you jump off the cliff over Joel's death despite the time he ruined the cure that'd save humanity.
I tried my hardest to not kill npcs during the game, so they don't make a third game based on that
you have my 10th like sir
Well done soldier
Npcs?
@@theyarddawg94 Non Player Characters
You should know that with a naughty dog game, you don't get yo make choices. The narrative is set in stone. Duh...
“Just because something is explained doesn’t mean it’s good”
I only wish EVERYONE saw it that way. Not just video games.
True
Same man
What are you talking about??,
I also wish people would accept other peoples opinions. Some people hate it, some love it. Some dislike it, some like it.
The Last of Jedi feels, and the whole last season of GoT
Naughty Dog's writers went so hard for the Game of Thrones vibe that they even recaptured the disappointment.
I thought they went more for a walking dead vibe cuz of the way they kill Joel.
Please clap for this chap everybody. We all know your not gonna clap for the writers of this mess.
This is a dank ass comment, I actually laughed. Well done
Only Neil Drunkmann could accomplish something like that.
Axel Kasai Joel kind of forgot about the 9 iron fleet
Lmao @ Abby jumping off the cliff and Joe going into “this is a 10/10”
Ellie killed a nameless guard and that guard’s daughter’s nanny’s coworker’s friend’s 5th grade teacher’s ex girlfriend’s college roommate is gonna kill Ellie in the Last of Us 3 and then we’re gonna play as her while Dina goes out for revenge, also Dina is gonna take her kid with her on this dangerous quest for revenge
Then gonna be a random sex scene with her lul
OMG lolllll
I can't stop laughing
This comment is underrated 🤣
Seems accurate
Oh who cares. None of it ever made sense
Last of Us Part 3: Ellie finds out she’s allergic to peanuts. **Dies**
You then proceed to play as Mr. Peanut.
TLOU 3 was nuts bro absolutely stunning commentary on how bad allergies are 10/10
They'll add her on the box then remove her once the game is out
Damn the gameplay and graphics were nuts bro
Salty
Nice copy/paste idiot.
Abby just went and killed every guy named "Joel" just to be sure
Dayum lol
Dang I know a few Joel’s! I better tell them to stay away from any Abbys!
Well, to give Naughty Dog a little credit.. Abby knew Joel had a brother named Tommy, so when Tommy said "I'm Tommy and this is my brother Joel", Abby was rather safe to assume this was the Joel she was looking for.
good one LOL..
@@Gary.009 Abby should have said something like this:
"i am Abby Montoya you killed my father,prepare to die!"
and it would make more sense....
38:08 the comedic timing of Joe saying "no that's a girl don't be sexist" before getting her brains smashed in was legitimately hilarious
Since Sony was ok with this game having a hardcore s** scene. We have to demand Sony to uncensor all the japanese games they gutted these last years.
This is an underrated comment. Hope you get more likes.
Absolutely agree but it wasn’t hardcore lol
@@darencolby1916 It's more the fact that the Japanese games are bordering on simply softcore erotica, and Sony decides to full censor them. But a game showing fullblown nudity and the equivalent of gay sex, is A-Okay. I've been with sony since it's first console was introduced, and they were a beacon for developers and expression in games, these days, you know it's backwards when their competitor Nintendo, is being lax on sexual themes in video games!
The PS5 doesn't look promising if this blatant censorship and xenophobia of foreign games continues.
And force them to release DOA Xtreme 3 in the west.
PS5 my guy
"If I don't make the Mexican say pendejo every sentence then people won't know that he's a Mexican" - Neil Druckmann
Same with cyberpunk 2077
Seriously man lmao
Most of us (Hispanics) don't say Pendejo all the time, like how these Far-Left media's like to portray our people like lmao..
They're ironically being racist themselves. It's like if they made a black guy some sort of Gangster in a movie about oppression and un-justice in America. It goes completely agaisnt what they're trying to do 🤭
Such dumbasses with loud mouths..
@@hanjizoe2648 Yep. We mexicans (most of us) don´t say pendejo everytime in out daily life, and not to everyone of course.
@@hanjizoe2648 pendejo is used a lot by colombians but not sure about other hispanic countries
julio hernandez, uh no we don’t. It’s like saying Americans do barbecues in their back yard all the time, anyone can do it
He's not even mad, he's just tired and disappointed.
You can say... he was desturbed
His disappointment is immeasurable and his day is ruined.
we all are.
Those bags under his eyes... Yeah he's tired 😴
He cant be mad, He mustnt be mad for this channel sake, if he mad the lgbt community is swiftly strike him as Homophobic.
Joel and Tommy mindlessly standing in a room full of strangers with their guard completely down remains one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
Are they supposed to stand there and get killed by infected🤣 they would have to be the most paranoid people on earth to think they was about to get fucked up
@@alisoyupak2730 Joel is literally the ultimate paranoid survivor, it's fundamental to his character and what has allowed him to live for decades in a hostile apocalypse. Being forced to shelter with potential enemies doesn't mean you immediately lower your guard and become chummy - that's a common sense lesson Joel would have learned ages ago.
And that goes double for when you're right outside of the town you're protecting, which Tommy specifically mentions is vulnerable to attack from groups like hunters. The fact is these people meant Joel great harm, and the real Joel would have sensed that a mile away.
But alas, he needed to die, and the writers took the lamest and laziest way to achieve that - they dumbed him down.
@@maulcs nah ur wrong loool just having saved someone and on the run from infected, Joel and Tommy had no choice 🤣
@@alisoyupak2730 Did you even read my reply? "nah ur wrong loool" - what a great display of the intelligence of people who defend TLOU2.
In the 1st game joel is never revealing his name drives that truck right into folks no hesitation
the "AHYIAH AHYIAAH AHYIAAHTTAYAMIND!" needs to be made into a recurring special effect clip insert into all future Angry reviews. It's iconic, epic and hilarious. lol
I agree. One more epic line amongst the lines of: "4 HOURS!?", "DAT LOOK GOOD!", "You've done fucked it up!" and "IS THAT BLUE!?"
@@Zidane_Mina dont forget the famous single "Drop that dukey" or the "eaass and titties"
yes please xD 9:44
I don't know who is more passionate about games that they will show their rage. Angry Joe or Egoraptor?
I was about to ATTEMPT to spell that out until I read this comment. FUCK it's hilarious.
"you literally slammed your baby on a goddamn cage" had me wheezing lol!!!
Best line of the review
Time stamp on that? Lmao
@@tubu1ar86 20:26
@@tubu1ar86 20:08
18:30
In part 3 you will play as Manny’s dad and hunt down Tommy.
Panderooo! *Spit*
Or the Rattler guy at the end that Ellie killed with the SMG, the guy who told her where Abby was. We should definitely get him as a DLC character and have more flashbacks inside of flashbacks inside of more flashbacks and have his sisters uncles brothers step fathers grandmother special ed son hunt Ellie down and kill her within 37 minutes of the game. And have 75% of the game be played as the sons neighbor who’s caught cheating and have him be redeemed until they catch up to the main timeline when Ellie dies. Idk that was messy but I still made a better story than this game did 🤣😂🤣
Hell yes!!!!! Release date so I can pre order and pay off fast?????
Or a kid of a woman from the thousands of the female warriors who was in the early pregnancy period when Ellie or Abby killed her...
@@toddm7367 release date 2031 lol
Joel was done extremely dirty in this game. He was one of the most interesting “protagonist” in gaming and was treated with no care. Kill Joel if you want but it could’ve done with respect to the character and the fans. Like Angry Joe said it was done for shock factor.
7.5/10
Yeah it wasnt very shocking, it was actually just revolting and immediately made me wonder ok so why am I playing the game now?
Can't believe there are people defending his death and saying it had to "happen" like that
are you dumb bro? the death that drives the entire plot of the game is done "just for shock factor" 😂😂😂😂
@meathead2934 I know right? It's insane that Joel could die like that in a world with no justice system or police to deter you from committing such acts. So unrealistic.. 😂
Angry Joe ain’t no virgin for hating the sex scene, he was simply traumatized as it reminded him of the horrid sex scenes from 2013’s Ride To Hell.
I need to check out that review. It's freaking hilarious.
At least those look so stupid you can laugh at it. This is literally two pieces of shit cheating on a pregnant woman.
actually, i did too
Facts.
Considering we saw that THING beat Joel to death and after that celebrating by «getting it» from behinde
Who wouldn’t be traumatized?
Arthur Morgan was right.. "Revenge.. is a fool's game." - RDR2
ya ever notice the letters for Red Dead Redemption 2 look like a drunk misspelling of R2D2?
Now THAT was a good sequel, though it was technically a prequel
Yea but it felt damn good killing Micah in the end. So satisfying and it was earned.
Even Kratos from God of War said it best as well: the path you walk... vengeance... you find no peace
And this whole game is a 'fool's game'.
>stabs girl in neck
>picks up ps vita
>deletes dying girl's save file in front of her
evil as hell
Miami Vice That explains why everyone in the game is so violent
That is a waste opportunity to make player delete the saves files easter egg joke.
Savage! 😂
That'd be a better plot than what we got
I'm convinced Mel (pregnant lady) was written into the story by a man or a childless woman. NO mother who was pregnant a few months would've said "Oh yeah, when I was 7 months along, I totally was ready to fight some Zombies and soldiers!" You feel tired, your feet are swollen, you need to pee every other minute and eat like a horse. Gunning down some people during a gang war isn't exactly high on the list of priorities at that point.
Neil Druckmann wrote it lol, so that would actually make sense
But-but Mel was a STRONG, INDEPENDENT woman. The real hero of the story...
Same situation with the Abby sex scene, considering nobody would go in dry like they did but ig we’re virgins according to ign
@@Hasan-hm5fy True lol
You’re taking it too literal . In that case how did a woman even survive this long in the in-game world? By herself ?? Lmao gtfo
"AYYEEEAEAYY ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??????!!!"
Angry Joe
I’m the 160th like
Made me burst into laughter...
ARE YOU OUTTAAAA YOUR MINDDDDD !!!! Hahahah
Asriel Cypher same
@Element Hunter The "what" is the least memorable part ;)
Ellie better watch out in Part 3, one of the enemies that she killed in Part 2 could have a daughter with sports equipment skills.
I bet part 3 would be 100% about Abby
I hope there won't be a part 3.
Baseball Bat is next
@@jericocortes7289 Or a tennis racket.
Can't Think Of A Name
Unfortunately the game sold extremely well... Which means they will most likely make a part 3.
Playing as Abby after she kills Joel is like playing as Sephiroth after he kills Aerith.
I think it's even worse. Joel is literally THE main character in TLOU1. We play as him through 90% of the game.
Fax@@MossXM
“In last of us, I was Joel, in left behind I was ellie, in last of us part 2 I was disappointed”-nakeyjakey
I have seen that video to many times
@@letsBrn fr, I’m still waiting on his next vid but it seems he’s going for hour long videos now so who knows what he will come up with next. I’m going to miss the idea of what last of us part 2’s story was suppose to be, if you ask me, this was suppose to be a coming of age story for Ellie while being a departure from Joel (whether it’s her leaving Joel to possibly find her mother or search for answers, with Joel dying in the 2nd or 3rd game). Because Ellie and Joel are what makes last of us, and what’s ironic is that Neil druckman had said that in the grounded documentary. It was really exciting for me to see where it would go with Ellie, and this mystery character that looks like it could possibly be Ellie’s mom or someone related. The fact she was 19 and I was 19 when the game released, with the game taking place in Washington where I had lived. With Ellie being someone like me who always wears converse and bullshits lol. I had even pre-ordered the game with the collectors edition before the leaks had come out about the story. I had ignored it though cause in my mind I was thinking there’s no way the story is gonna be bad. Then the first hour of the game happened and I was furious ngl when I saw her bring up the golf club so early into a 25 hour game. And Abby is not even related to Ellie as her mom or sister. Joel’s swept under the rug unless you count that one flashback with them which I thought was amazing, tommy is just all over the place and Dina and Ellie’s relationship doesn’t feel as purposeful or bittersweet in any way . And the story just went nowhere and I wish it never happened if I knew it was gonna be this bad. It hurts to say honestly cause that’s how much I wanted the 2nd game to be good, it may be weird to some but stories are everything to humanity.
Hits hard
I knew how bad Naughty Dog quality was going to get from how awful uncharted 4 and left behind dlc was. I am so glad my instincts were right...
@@MrAnon00 Uncharted 4 was awful? Whuh?
04:51
"....within a genre I am tired of!"
*proceeds to look around himself nervously in case OJ shows up with another zombie game*
That was a good reference :D
I thought he was gonna pop up later lol 😂😂😂😂
*HEY JOE WANNA PLAY A ZOMBIE GAME?*
Honestly, I think TLOU 2 can barely even be called a zombie game with how little the zombies are used.
This is a telltale game more than it is a zombie game. I dont even think its a zombie game with such poor reference to science or even the pretty well known area of biology from a layman. You dont have to be a dr to know fungus is the most stupidest choice for zombie apocalypse. Virus, Bacterial, Alien xenobiology, protozoan, fuck even archae would have made a better choice. The amount of true research depth done is the tell tale sign of how much effort was given for nuance and realism. And this lazy attitude can be seen across the entire series right from even part 1. Fungus general can survive out of dying things thats it. If the fungus were to continue the infection, it would need the host to be dying...not flailing around or with horde migrations..thats climate and geology which have no effects on fungus. Now that i think about it, even mutated algae wud have been more believable.
This is not a zombie game, its a stoopid person who thinks hes a scientist or scifi writer game who completely obfusticates himself
I cannot agree with you more. I remember watching the trailers and thinking that the plot was that Dinah died and Ellie was seeking revenge against her killers. And Joel is trying to find Ellie to stop her from becoming like him.
I totally agree with u. Cant believe the interpretation for trailers could be exact same
Dude that would have been soo much better than their forced perspective.
That would have worked way better, a much more compelling story.
Damn. You just wrote a story that’s waaaay better right there!
Buttter Milk yeah that seems more like a direct sequel than this. Although i havent played the game yet so cant say anything at this moment 😅
Not enough people talk about Abby betraying the wlf, who she has been surviving with for at least 2 years. And her friends who she survived with her entire life, for lev. Someone she has known for 1 day.
Last of Us 3-
Joel ” hey you, you’re finally awake”
Yes please
You were trying to cross the border?
Don't... Don't give me hope
The use of "your" fucking ruined "you're" joke.
Thank you
I think what he meant is ellie will catch up on joel..
I love how when he said "within a genre I'm tired of" then he looks around for OJ getting ready to say "hey Joe you wanna play another zombie game"
OG angryjoe fans are expecting for OJ to appear as well ahahaha
@jocaguz18 Dead Island is just great, as are all the follow ups, like Dying Light and stuff.
heeey Sancho!!!! You want to play a zombie game?!!!
“There was a sequel. Wasn’t as good.” - Joel
he is right, Jurassic Park 2 sucked balls
this should be the next Joel in One joke
Nice
@@CynicalNarcissist last of us 2 too
@@CynicalNarcissist some how i love all Jurassic Park movie lmao
The last of us 3: We play as Dinas baby and we hunt Tommy for yelling at Dina on the porch
Just to forgive Tommy in the end Lol 😆
@@jordanshepherd6147 Oh and we lose both thumbs and a nostril 🤦🏽♀️
@@MvmmaRy lol soo true
I thought I waited 7 years to play the game, but I realized that I was actually waiting for this angry review
Underrated comment
@Afro Nah
@Afro Nah
@Afro Nah
@Afro why do you think he is angry?
Tlou fans: "They ruined our favourite characters just to add in dulled down new ones for most of the game!"
Halo 5 players: "first time?"
Star Wars fans: first time?
Assassins creed players... u too
Teen Titans: You’re all just so...
Adorable.
@@justsomeponywithamustache8731 Add Ben 10 to the list.
GOT: YOU GOT AN ADD IN??
"You better stick to them books boy, because revenge is a fools game."
- Arthur Morgan 1899
The last of us 2: Too bad
“An old friend of mine once said that revenge is a fool’s game” perfect line for this game
Don’t compare rdr2 to this turd In a shiny wrapper
@ralph waldo picklechips Redemption is way too boring.
@@gamer-px5cu your mother is booring
2018* to be fair, wich is after Cordyceps appeared in TLoU :^)
"What did you say Ellie?!!! Stop being so selfish".. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I come back here once in a while for that part 🤣
I laugh at that cut scene, and the one where Ellie (OJ) has a chance to get a better weapon, but just gets bullets and keeps her crappy rifle.
Actually she is selfish.
@@Icy-cb6dr she's not.
And to think, Ellie in the first game said "I'm scared of ending up alone"...
In the end everyone ends up alone.
@Toxicity Ellie brought it upon herself. She could have walked away at any point. She had a family and a future when she got back to Jackson, and she threw it away for vengeance.
Toxicity
To be fair she killed all of Abby’s friends and Abby had to live with that lol.
Toxicity check girlfriend reviews
@@gatogelato0037 she won't get rid of her nightmares of Joel
"This review is the Schindler's list of the reviews"
IGN - 10/10 masterpiece
@Lance AnthonyThis game make me feel like an angry lesbian and an angry girl on steroids! 😂
It has a little something for everyone
I'm still shocked that they compared this horrible story to Schindler's list which btw actually made me cry, movies almost never do that for me and for them to say this games story was Schindler's list levels of good... it just bugged me on so many levels because I highly disagree.
@@thelurker5950
'Schindlers List' was based on a fictional novel.
@@thelurker5950 Its fiction tho.
As the Joker once said....
"AND HERE... WE... *GO* "
Cuckmann ruined this series
To spill fax
i'm a man of my word eehahahaha!
Yeah not like we havnt seen this comment before..
I think the story had a good premise. I would love to see a rewrite.
I have come back to this review years later just because of how much Joe tells the truth in this one and how funny the skits are. TLOU2 still really leaves a sour taste in my mouth story wise and I have honestly thought about going back to give it another shot but there is no way I can bare this story a second time.
go in for the gameplay
I played it when she realised for 5 days and finished it, and didn't play it until now, it's not worth it
@@im-nobody It really isn't having to play over half of the damn game as Abby really makes you hate playing it. You just can't get invested in the story because it feels like someone brought home your long lost childhood dog to play with and as soon as you saw it happily trotting through the door, tail wagging, they blasted in the back of the head as your stare in horror and then they call you a racist/transphobic/misogynistic fascist when you dare complain about the bait and switch.
It's a remarkable game and Joe has no credibility given the fact that he covered the leaks and developed a strong hatred for the story before playing it. His critiques of the story are laughable and childlike. This review was a low point for this channel.
@@dnice4145his Cold War review was a low point. He knows nothing about COD to actually critique it. His TLOU 2 review is spot on.
“Just because something is explained does not make it good” Some very wise words I hope people listen to
Nazism is well explained by Carl Schmitt in Legality and Legitimacy, and that doesn't make it good.
Same as this game.
Wise words by Joe.
What is good or bad is subjective.
YES JORDAN! Finally I have found someone who understand how people work. Other opinions are neither good nor bad nor right nor wrong. Changing people’s minds to conform with your beliefs (ESPECIALLY FOR A VIDEO GAME) is bad and wrong.
Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad.
I agree
Abby: Who are you?
Joel: My name is Nathan and this is my brother Sam.
*END CREDITS*
This is a really smart Easter egg
And let's pretend they didn't killed him just because his name was Joel and they didn't have any other evidence that he was "the" Joel.
@@TheZeug come on we all know Abby killed every Joel in existence.
My name is Troy Baker and this is my brother in arm Nolan North.
No. Abby would have tortured them to find out where joel is. That was actually her plan.
“Twice the pride, double the fall” - Count Dooku
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." - Kylo Ren
“Master Kenobi you disappoint me”
Me to Ellie
Miranox naughty Dogs motto when it comes to making The Last Of Us 2
@@Miranox2 I was hoping for Kenobi why are you here? -Darth maul
I love how he butchered the themes and is so confident about it because he formed an opinion when he saw the leaks. Completely unprofessional and sad.
As soon as Tommy acts like an idiot and goes on a suicide mission I already felt like the characters were now just plot devices and didn’t actually have brains in this game.
Can't believe they killed off Angry Joe within the first three minutes of the review. 2/10
haha joe is right though I am a sony fan boy but hes right on what he says
They Did What?
dislike the video and unsub.....
How do?
And OJ kept getting shit on and never got his revenge..
More like a 10/10
"ARE YE......AREYE OUTAYA MIND?!?!?!?!?!"
Been a long time since I laughed so much lol
Same hahaha. I had to clean my monitor after watching this part.
9:04
this is literally feminism the game
“I’m Tommy and this is my brother J-jo”
“....”
“J-j-Jim Milton”
“Oh ok”
We live just up the road, in Tahiti
Y’all should come back with us. Restock your mangoes before you head out.
LUMBAGO
"and this is my brother jojo."
Independent Tapestry GET UP
The thing I'm most pissed off about is the hypocricy. Revenge is bad for Ellie but then Abby does it it's ok. In general, one of the things I hate the most is hypocricy and double standards.
I just finished the game today. Feelings lots of feels about Joel and Ellie. Now I’m allowing myself to look at all the things that could have spoiled me through the years like this video lol. If you want my honest thoughts on this subject, I think it doesn’t matter. Ellie wanted Abby dead so that it could bring her peace, but at the end I think she accepted that she won’t get it. Killing Abby won’t bring Joel back. It won’t make her happy. But at least if she lets Abby live a little kid may have a life.
No it wasn’t “ok” for Abby. She got her revenge, but in the end it proved not to do anything for her. She was still having nightmares about her dead father. Her mission to kill Joel also fragmented her friendships and pushed them away, plus Ellie killed most of them as a direct result of Abby getting revenge. The point is that Abby went through with it and got punished for it, and while Ellie got punished as well, at least she was better than Abby in her ability to spare her.
I hate the game don't get me wrong, but to be fair, Abby loses all her friends because she killed joel, so revenge is bad for her too.
@@gigachad3925 stfu you didn't even get what the commenter means
Cause Abby is Trans and didn’t you get the memo Trans people can’t be bad and can’t make bad decisions DUH .
Damn I hate woke culture is has help ruin so many things
Me: See’s AngryJoe’s Review of TLOU Part 2, click!*
Also Me: Scrolls straight to comment section*
Hello fellow scroller
@@illuvitarv5 heyo, how are you
@BennyJ
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Howdy bub.
Saaaaaammmmmeeee
The Red Dead Redemption games did the concept of revenge being more harmful to the one inflicting it so much better.
Succulous _ thats good writing.
Man the ending...
the whole game wasn't about revenge it was about change and how the gang didn't want to.
I will bet money you didn't play the game.
God of war 3 did it better, too
A wonderful meme is born. "are, are you out of your mind?"
Neil was out of his mind for the last 7 years
He's referencing the h3h3 meme of the dad confronting his daughter from social media, its not a new meme.
@@leeroyj2755 joe said it better
And he's milked it to death
@@Edward_Tinners He's way over in his head.
4 years later and I still don't understand how Abby is so jacked. Did she find a stockpile of steroids? I work out. I eat protein. And my arms aren't twice the size of my head.
This comment is stupid, just because you can’t doesn’t mean someone else couldn’t. You ain’t that guy I guess.
Maybe you should take in more protein and increase the weight you lift and the day's you workout no pain no gain.
@@afalseerra9517 what kind of moron still defending this woke crap to these days
@@afalseerra9517dude abby is living in a post apocalyptic world there is no steroids and lots of protein
@@LUXXEN-yx9hv literally tocu grass man
Tommy: I'm Tommy and this is my brother
Joel: My name is JEFF
*Roll Credits*
"We live very far away"
@@Plight_ "And we have a couple of friend posted nearby *just in case"*
They live happily ever after no golf club needed
Abby: Tommy litearly introduced you as Joel 10 minutes ago
@@Nrzpokrter *sweat intensifies* oh no, it was just in the heat of the moment my name is actually Jeff *RIGHT TOMMY*
Phone rings:
"Hi, This is Angry Joe..."
"Hi this is Sony. We need to talk"
We need to have a little chat.
Joe: you didn't even give me a free copy.......you done fucked it up **hangs phone**
Sony : We will give you free copy of every new games, free tickets to all our events, and we also like our games to have 10/10 score.
I don't know what's more amazing, Joes guitar song or the closing meme!
Sony is actually calling publications that gave it a bad review lol
Polygon and Vice have talked about it. Other places are saying that they've been bullied in the past too.
When Joe said : “WHAT AAUOEAAREYOUROUTOFYOURMIND!!!”
I felt that
That is epic rant right there.
Same.
The onomatopoeia of pure exasperation.
i had to stop the video to laugh my ass off and immediately cry after
I laughed my ass off. Joe's mind broke at that moment.
I literally died laughing when Abby fell off that cliff lol Definitely the canon ending in my mind
"Just because something is explained does not make it good."
I just watched the last 20 minutes of the game, and liked it. Basically from right before the boss fight till the end. I thought it was well done. Probably an unpopular opinion on this channel.
Now, that's not necessarily how I'd feel about the execution of the game as a whole. Just the story, as a concept. Joel kills Abby's dad, betrays Ellie. Ellie doesn't forgive him, Abby kills Joel, denying Ellie ability to forgive him. Ellie tracks Abby across the land, has opportunity to kill Abby to take revenge, and forgives her. She couldn't forgive Joel, but she can forgive Abby. Just that concept, ignoring the execution, is pretty beautiful IMO.
Note, I never played either of these games, I don't even own a PS4. But I think I can still comment on the story as a concept.
Albert Johnston you don’t understand. you didn’t spend the whole first game establishing an emotional connection with joel. you didn’t wait 7 years for the sequel. ND destroyed joel’s character for shock value. they made him leave his guard down which he would never do, and brutally murdered him with a golf club at the hands of someone we not only don’t know, but also don’t like. then we had to play as them. then we finally got a chance for a little bit of satisfaction and were denied that too. it’s terrible all around
@@elanadeshina7521 Like I said, I like the concept. I have little to nothing to say about the execution because I've played neither game. Though I do think the ending was executed well, if you isolate the shit out of it. As in, if a person like myself who has little context aside from knowing the overall story watches it, yeah, it's good. But I totally understand how that could be frustrating as shit to an invested person.
I saw another comment that compared it to if John Wick left the guy alive that killed his dog, or even worse if it tries to make you like the guy and dislike John Wick. Fuck. That.
@@albertjohnston1026 Ok, but your analogy has a flaw, as Ellie garishly kills hundreds of innocent people to get to abby. It's more like: you are forced for 20+ hours to gorge on hundreds of mud-pies all childishly made and poorly constructed as enemies thus slowly working your way from dining table after kitchen table until lastly reaching (the last of us dessert boss)... (a piece of cake no less and its at the kids table.) One slice that you truly deserve to savor the flavor of as Abby finally surrender their brawny grasp on it and hand it over to you, it is your just deserts. But you suddenly decline the offer and like a tick now fully engorged, you say: "no thanks, I'm full." And then you foolishly desert your mission and slink off into the desert to die of dehydration or heat exposure.
@@albertjohnston1026 i find it ridiculous, and extremely unrealistic. No one is going to forgive abby and not kill her. to Not allow the player to make the choice to kill abby is fuckin outrageous. We should have been given the opportunity to avenge joel. Thats all I was thinking the entire time was "wow I cant wait to kill this butch bitch who killed my favorite character..." and then NOPE stolen from us. Our righteous revenge is not allowed. but its WONDERFUL for abby to get her revenge right? but not us?... screw that. It would be one thing if it was done well, but the story is not done well at all
everyone: expects a great game
neil: subvert expectation
Well, he thoroughly subverted my expectations for a good story. Mission accomplished.
Smithing Bear well good on yah mate you liked the game congrats. Hears you achievement. 😃🎉👍
- you just made a turd
- no, hater, I subverted expectations
He played us all and won the title of Retard of the Lifetime.
People who watched the leaked: "You activated my trap card."
"WHAT!!!!!!!"
"ARE YOU ARE YOU OUTTA MIND?!?!?!?"
THAT WAS FUNNY ASF LOK
Legendary!
he's right though, i don't care if that clip gets meme'd to death, they were out of their minds with this shit story, Last of Us shouldn't of had a second game, when we got shit like this
Completely agree with everything in this review. They fucked up this game so badly. 😢
But got 50 game of the year awards
@@bahriaproperties1143sad
@@bahriaproperties1143Because it’s ‘woke’
Exactly
@@bahriaproperties1143 Okay??? And???
I love that Joe doesn't give a $#!t about companies giving him grief over perfect scores. He gives his truth and I respect him for it. We love you Joe!
Vox 96 he never has cared.
That's why he's the best game reviewer at his size.
Vox 96 quite a lot of people don’t care actually. Only game corporations shill. But either way it’s ok like the game.
+100 respect.
Joe is also entertaining
"Just because something has been explained does not make it good."
THANK YOU!!!
Read this as soon as he was saying it lol
This sums up his opinion. He did t like the characters because he had bias not because of bad writing. He wrote them off as soon as they introduced. 🤷🏾♂️ his opinion is shit in this case and part 1 had PLENTY of convenient moments where shit “just worked out” did it not?
@@wanted247ha8 I honestly don't understand why you people defend the game. I didn't even play the game and I hate it. I actually watched a walkthrough of it.
Hellstone I honestly don’t understand why you people hate the game you never even fucking touched it and you claim you hate it. Talk about a useless opinion that adds nothing to the conversation.
Wanted247ha Played it, hated it. Explaining a story beyond the game doesn’t make it good.
Joe's reaction to the Abby sex scene is gold. It's like he's hit with shock and horror at the same time, in sheer disbelief of what he's watching. Honestly, I'd have done the same, since the scene comes out of nowhere
And probably the fact that Abby looks like a slightly less muscular Brock Lesnar.
17:27
It makes no sense, they were talking about Abby's? Dead dad? How does that turn you on? The best part about that was the 3rd thrust crashed my game
@@thatromanfella8377 Honestly the sex scene would of been better at the beginning of the game cause those two waking up together like that I immediately thought they were lovers. But yeah... personally disliked both the characters and abby looks "badass" or is presented in that way but if we are talking about physical appearances or sexual attraction then no she looks like a dude or what some people assume butch lesbians to look like or trans MTF to look like. Not hating cause honestly I don't care about any of that shit as long as the character design is done right and they make the character likeable. Nowadays they seem to make tropes to appease SJW's or to be inclusive instead of designing good characters that are relatable/likeable. It's sad that characters from movies/games 20+ years old are more likeable/relatable or overall better designed than characters in movies/video games of today and that is because of the politics being brought into the media that is video games and movie industry.
My first thought to the sex scene was "Why is Abby wearing a bra? She doesn't need it. She has no tits."
They did subvert our expectations. We expected it to be good after all.
Abby throwing that toy at that dog a million times will never have the same emotional effect as Ellie petting that Giraffe once in the first game
@@ihate4286 I did, and hell no it didn't
@@ihate4286 at least have the opinion be realistic
Kaka poopoo you thinking the game is bad doesn’t make his opinion “unrealistic”... The game got unnecessary hate in my opinion... I mean the first game establishes many times that Joel isn’t a good guy. At least he wasn’t. And him killing Abbys father is one of the more “harmless” things he does... And don’t forget, you as the player want Abby dead for what she did to Joel, but don’t forget you killed her father too... The same thing.
Slaymettra - totally agree. She is the protagonist of the game, and once you understand what’s she’s fighting for, it’s hard not to be on her side.
@@ihate4286 Hmm...nope. Ended up hating them both. Felt kind of bad for Dina. But fridge-girl and girl who killed her own mother? Fuck them.
It's funny how the writers and tlou2 defenders justify Joel's death plot with "realism", but then Abby gets like 10 plot armors throughout the game - talk about being realistic
They’re trying to force feed their leftist ideals onto us. The last of us.
@@JohnSmith-cz3us Huh?
@@str8apem88 What are you huh'ing about? You could have made an entire montage of the times that Ellie had plot armour in this game.
@@TheArrowedKnee Criticism is a good thing, but some people just lose their minds when things don't go the way they want them to...
@@pascal5318 I mean, the fact that Ellie did have plot armour in the second game is pretty undeniable. Also, i'm "fine" with the major events of TLOU2, i just think the structure was *really* bad.
This might be the first time Alex's frame and physique actually fits character he's portraying.
I was expecting Alex to play Abby but still lost my shit when I saw it xD
He was a good Mr x too though.
Damn, this is the first review of Angry Joe that he didn’t seem Angry when he gave his rating. He looked...sad, and heartbroken.
Because he was.
He was expecting a Rambo type shooter lol.
Mate it's a game dont treat it like a dead person lmao
@@mahominishiyama124 Wow, that's being dickish.
@@AntMilt1 No, he didn't.
Neil was not the main writer of the first game. He just took all the credit.
Do you know who was it? Was it Amy Hennig?
I don't know who were the "main" writers of that game, but it's obvious they straight up copied the plots of The Road and Children of Men... and Naughty Dog made it seems like they invented this kind of post-apocalyptic drama, they took credit for something created by Cormac McCarthy and P. D. James. Which is disgusting, I just can't take this seriously... and guess what, these novels didn't had sequels, so Naughty Dog had to come up with their own story... and look at the result. I really hope in the near future, when Last of Us 3 becomes a thing, even more condescending and messier, people will look back at the first two games and realize they were never great to begin with, plagiarism does not deserve praise, period
@@darn0k1Halley Gross. She is the narrative lead for the whole game.
@@crimsonghoul8983 if so she has done poor job with Tlou2
@@darn0k1 Bruce Straley was the main writer for the first game, iirc. He was the one who shot down Neil's stupidest ideas, chief among them being that he wanted to make the second game's plot be the first game's. Apparently Tess, instead of Joel's most trusted partner/closest friend/probable lover, would have been a recurring antagonist tracking Joel and Ellie across the country because she wanted revenge after Joel killed her brother in a firefight. Bruce took one look at that plot and went "Tracking a person on foot for thousands of miles in a zombie-infested post-apocalyptic wasteland? That's absurd and totally immersion-breaking, that's going on the cutting room floor."
He's well-regarded for fun, character-building dialogue, which the first game has in spades with Joel and Ellie. He co-directed all of the Uncharted games with Amy Hennig, but left after the release of Uncharted 4, which makes sense since that game was essentially Neil Druckmann strong-arming Hennig out of the company, throwing out her original plot and script, and shooting the franchise that was Straley and Hennig's baby in the head. The abominable crunch with UC4 because of Druck throwing out the original script also probably pushed him to leave. The Last of Us' good writing almost certainly rests on Straley's shoulders infinitely more than Druckmann's.
AREYAAH- AREYAOUTTAYOURMIIIND?!
is forever gonna be an Angry Joe meme
BLUE? THIS MUCH FOR FRIGGIN BLOO?!
For me..that was one of the funniest things Joe has ever said. I laughed. I needed my inhaler... I laughed some more..
Everytime he does it I cackle lol
Timestamp?
Edit:
Nevermind, found it. 9:03
I’m sorry, I know he was made, but I laughed so hard!!!
Levels of Joe Anger
L1: Soft mumble
L2: Disappointment
L3: Loud voice
L4: Heavey breathing
L5: Hand motions increases
L6: *Super Saiyan*
First time I ever saw him on L5: Livid
Level 6: blue
L7: 4 HOURSSS!!!
Level 7: sith lord
L7: Aliens Colonial Marines
"ARE YA' - ARE YA OUTTA YOUR MIND?!" - Angry joe
Love your name and pic lmfao
The shaky effect make it more hilarious
Hands down my new fav quote from joe i lmao till i cried LOL
Can I get a time stamp for that moment?
Joe when says that XDXDXD
I was miserable through the entire game. The least they could've done was let us kill abby at the end.
This game basically confirms Joel did the right thing, the humans in this series really do deserve to go extinct.
in the real life
It's like this:
Even if mankind was restored, it'll probably go back the same it was before....people living their boring lives, crime rates, economy....it'll feel like the cure for mankind was all for nothing
@@abrahamlupis9354 Just the game only
I wouldn’t say he did the right thing more like he did the wrong things for the right reasons.
LOL
"When something is bad, it is not good."
- Sun Tzu
Wise words are wise.
no shit sun tzu
the core of this game is convincing people that something bad is great, like that shit song 'ordinary world - green day'
- Dominic Toretto
That’s deeeeeeepppopooppplhfcvjt
TLOU Part 3 start of storyline should be like
*Somewhere in the forest*
Joel: Ellie..Ellie.. wake up kiddo, we need to leave and get back to Jackson before dawn"
Ellie: Oh shoot, my bad Joel, I had a very bad dream.
Start of game.
If only....
Not even that would save it. :/
Or may be she wakes up from a hit in the head and that´s it.
Idea I made a year ago for the last of us 2:
You start as Joel, eventually he goes in this building &
3-5 hours after game begins:
So a building explodes and Ellie, realizing Joel was in said building, digs through rubble, then gives up, though Joel crawls through the wreckage and Ellie helps him.
Some foreshadowing will happen here and there if you pay attention. Either late or mid game (or 3-5 hours before game ends) she gets ambushed by bandits who attempt to rape her. She struggles and screams to Joel for help, he proceeds to stand in place, with a horrified look on his face, like he's unable to do anything. A bandit says, "who the hell you screaming at bitch?"
Ellie then comes to realization and flashbacks to a scene showing a dead Joel with one of his arms blown off, in the building wreckage, but hallucinates Joel coming out of said wreckage.
She hallucinates other moments to sort of cope with his death. Example: certain characters being confused and looking at her weirdly when interacting with Joel.
She then snaps out of it, grabs her switchblade to kill the bandits. She stabs the last bandit repeatedly till she then starts crying. Joel puts his hand on her shoulder.
Ellie yells at Joel saying that she "failed him" & Joel saying something like "there was nothing you could do, don't blame yourself".
They have a little chat, say their goodbyes, & as Joel gives a little chuckle, turns the other direction, and as he walks into the distance, fades into nothingness. Ellie curls into a ball a cries her eyes out for a minute, and proceeds with whatever she was doing.
Foreshadowing examples:
-If paying attention, you may realize Joel's clothes look unusually neat, despite being 25 years after the event, & being, idk, months after the explosion, I guess?
-When interacting with Joel, some characters will act confused and look at Ellie weirdly.
-Joel seemingly talks to others normally, but talks to Ellie in a calm tone of voice and hardly yells at her, like she's some child.
-in a couple levels when you separate from Joel and reach your destination, he'll get to the location first as if he seemingly warped there. Ellie eventually asks how he does that, he simply replies, "found a shortcut".
Something I thought of about a year ago, some stuff I thought of later on.
What do you think?
Ismail Dude you’re awesome! The story makes waaaay more sense. That is the very reason why we loved the first game, the story just revolve around them. We can add a couple of new characters here and there but not necessarily force the players to play and love them. That is manipulative af.
Yea we can accept Joel’s death but make it in an acceptable way, like this guy’s storyline.
Kudos to you bro! 💪
I really like your suggestion of having players play as Abby and her father first not knowing who they are, it would've made us develop a liking to them, only to eventually find out Abby's dad (who the players would've been attached to as a "Joel" figure at that point), is the doctor Joel killed in the first game. That would've been SO much better! God, I wish we could go back in time and rewrite the past.
I think that would go against the whole point of the game. Plus it would be so predictable to know who they are
@@FireStarJutsu I disagree because this isn't the same kind of thing that part 2 was aiming for. We had to know next to nothing about Abby so we could have that enormous wall of hate to overcome. Giving her a backstory before she killed Joel horrifically would offset the impact of the ending when you realise you don't want both women to continue suffering.
It's only because we don't understand anything about Abby at the start that we can begin to understand her through learning her backstory and seeing her developing relation with a child from an enemy faction.
I'm not saying that idea which you proposed wouldn't work - hiding the relationship between Abby and her father with the story of Ellie and Joel's but it would've resulted in a way different theme and experience than what was intended.
@@bug688 and arguably a better theme in my opinion. You talk about the ending and players "not wanting both women to suffer anymore" and there's no way you can guarantee all players come to that opinion.
Having Abby be a random that kills Joel does form that wall of hatred pretty well, but it runs the risk of that wall never melting away regardless of how much of her backstory or new relationship with Lev we experience. I feel like that's the angle you're not acknowledging. Look at Tommy. If a character in game can maintain that hatred, knowing what Joel did. Knowing Abby lost everyone else. Knowing she has Lev to take care of, and none of it mattering because of what she did to Joel...players will have that opinion too.
Doing it in the inverse creates a genuine new bond for the players to form. One very similar to the one that worked in the first game. Players would connect with Abby and her dad's relationship naturally without the baggage of hating Abby for Joel's death. Making Joel's death more of a conflicting emotional event than just a "wall of hatred" producing event.
I really don't think the themes would be that much different. The only difference between them is that with one, we don't feel that pure desire for revenge Ellie felt. We instead feel conflicted because we understand there's no right or wrong. Abby felt immense pain too. Joel was no saint. Actions have consequences. And revenge is a poison. Literally all themes the game tries to hamfist down the player's throat later down anyway, are more effectively executed this way.
Sacrificing one minor intention for the overall success of many other of the game's themes results in a better story in my opinion
@@thedarkone7887Have to disagree. I played Ellies part full rage after Abby. I wanted that shit as much as her. Then i got to know Abby. When i the player didnt want revenge anymore, just wanted to be in peace with Dina in Farm, the game continued. And i tried to NOT kill Abby. To see If there were an alternate path. But i had to smash that drowning button. The prompt dissapeared exactly when i stopped pressing the Button in a last try of "alternate ending". I was fucking relieved when Ellie let Abby go.
I feeled the revenge and i feeled the last fucking moment of regret. Just as Ellie. I thing ND did EXACTLY what they intended to do.
@yumartins7872 and that's alright. I'm genuinely glad you were able to have that experience. But I doubt that's the majority of the player base, yunno?
I mean, I myself, in the end did the exact same thing as you. To be fair. I hesitated and died many times on that beach fishing for an alternative ending. But it wasn't because of any compassion for Abby or even Lev. It was simply because I felt Ellie didn't need that hanging over her. The guilt of Joel's death wouldn't have been as severe as the guilt of her revenge I think. I also think she should have stayed on the farm with Dina and the baby.
I'm not saying it was completely ineffective the way they did it... just that, in my opinion, reversing the events would have helped it reach more players.
The Last of Us Part 3: we play as infected and hunt down all humans we met in Part 1 und 2 for revenge
We'll get to play as 'Clicky's' brother...
Last of Us 4: You play as the family of all the bottles thrown
I would be down for that. The infected are the best part 😂
@@762x69 same here, I love playing as the zombies in games
Nah man keep my words Abby gonna be there :))
Ellie vs complete strangers: no problem attacking
Ellie vs Abbie: “enough of the fighting”
Wtf
Its not wrong if you kill random people, but its wrong to kill someone for the sake of revenge. Its simple. Propably one the hundreds of random npcs you killed, had a kid that will Hunt ellie in part 3, and dinas daughter will then hunt the murderer. Such great storytelling, 100/10, masterpiece
"Makes you feel like Hulk" - IGN 10/10
It's the same how we're supposed to care about killing Alice the dog as this huge tragic moment but we've already been indiscriminately killing identical dogs for the last like 6+ hrs..
She let go of Abby because of Lev, but the game did a terrible job at showing the viewer that. The line "just take him", could easily be missed and I thought they should have done a better parallel between Lev and her at the beginning of the game.
@@PantakesVGP Ellie realises the error of her ways at the end though, she goes through a journey of death to see that death isn't the answer..and what does she get in the end? she's all alone. It's not rocket science people! :)
"you can have this bottle of piss, ellie now shut up!"
I about died laughing.
piss cocktail
Desert Fox It comes with a complementary shit stick
Mmm...Granny's Peach Tea...yum...
Ellie represents the TLOU fans
They are so pissed off about this Game
Like seriously, it's not even a joke, Abby gets the better version of every weapon Ellie has, and more!
*cries in flamethrower*
This is the review that keeps Neil Druckmann up at night
Neil Cuckmann
Apparently he doesn’t care about the negative reviews
Nah, he got exactly what he wanted. He knew people would react like this, it's part of his artistic vision and exactly why Joel was killed at the start of the game, with no attempt to humanize Abby to start off. Get people to hate Abby, then try to convince them otherwise. Anyone who is unable to let go is labelled an immoral person for not forgiving Abby, or criticized for "not understanding the games message".
Sadly, for him to be kept up he would need to be a human, with human emotions. Cuckmann cares little for those he thinks are "beneath" him, which of course is funny since he took all the credit for a franchise he didn't create to then run it into the ground
“War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter to kill each other”
-Niko Bellic
That's deep....👏🏾👏🏾
Or the foolish who follows without question.
Yes, to a degree, but it's also part of who we are.
Greg A. War is not apart of who we are at all, what are you talking about?
ROMAN ARE YOU SLEEPING?!
Dutch: We can't always fight nature, John. We can't fight change. We can't fight gravity. We can't fight nothing. My whole life, all I ever did was fight.
Marston: Then give up, Dutch.
Dutch: But I can't give up, neither. I can't fight my own nature. That's the paradox, John. You see?
Urrr taaahm is paaassst 🤠
I will never take RDR games for granted
@@whiteflame4850 lol relatable
This is like going to a restaurant that had the best food but now they made everything else better and made the food worse.
And you have Yelp reviewers saying "it's not about the food itself, it's about the experience"
I know the feeling of going to a restaurant and ordering your favourite dish... And they changed the recipe or ingredients or chef and it doesn't taste good anymore. One of the worst, small sad things in life.
"My favorite restaurant, I ordered steak but they gave me soup, they subverted my expectations so 5/5"
@@jmb9040 lmao
@@Walamonga1313 ikr, that sucks.
Once again returning to this glorious review which is in fact much more enjoyable than the game itself.
@@Breeceboy Imagine thinking this mess is a masterpiece. But thanks for your insults - how very enlightened of you.
@@Breeceboy So first insults, now blanket judgments about my character. Over my opinion on a videogame. Your elite enlightenedness should know that seeking out people to insult based on a differing opinion says a lot more about you than anyone else.
If the last of us were real, you would be one of the first to die 🤣
@@maulcs Imagine thinking this masterpiece is a mess.... I really feel for you :(
Joel kills everybody for no reason and dooms the world because of selfish reasons. All after a game thats essentially 1 big escort quest. Tlou fans: "omg its the best game ever"
A game with an actual engaging story about revenge and its consequences with an attempt to add more than 2 fleshed out cast members. Tlou fans: "reeeeeeeeeee its the worst game ever."
Ya makes sense😂😂