These two had chemistry together. Jerry , very clever, philosophical, and emotionally controlled. Gary, all heart and sentiment. I could watch them sit on benches all day and riff off each other.
Jerry seems more cynical than philosophical. Having worked with the best character actors of his era (their having made him multi-miliions), why on earth would he boast of a hostility toward actors and their craft?
@@hd-xc2lz because he feels actors have stolen thunder from his kind (comedians). He was crystal clear: he said his bellyache is with our culture , not with the actors themselves. Of course he’ll complain society doesn’t put comics on the same pedestal as actors- he’s a comic. Sour grapes!
Not quite. At 7:00, Jerry recognizes something about what Garry was doing at put his finger right on it, then much later, added cars, and then, distilled it to coffee. Jerry recognizes tiny kernels when they're good, and then makes them into something that will grow huge... Larry with _Seinfeld,_ and Garry with _CCGC._ I think Jerry even credits Garry at some symposium, or something.
Garry Shandling was the most underrated comedian! His talent was immeasurable. The Larry Sanders Show was the best show on TV! Incredibly funny. I love Garry
You could not be more wrong! Go watch "The Zen Diaries of Garry Shandling". They don't make 4-hr docs on underrated comics. Garry was recognized as a genius (a troubled one, albeit) by the public, but even more so by his peers.
I loved his bit that his Mother wanted him to get married...so he doesn't die alone. Garry... So how is it better?... I'm dying and oh yeah, I'm with her. 😂😂😂
Did Jerry say anything about how the tv series IT'S GARRY SHANDLING'S SHOW was a sitcom starring a stand up comedian playing himself with his real name and occupation, and the show was about his life and he had a big-haired brunette platonic woman friend who would stop by, etc.?
Now this makes the Comedians In Cars bit about Matthew McConaughey selling Lincolns even funnier - Garry was still giving Jerry grief for the lost jacket.
I love how Shandling can really crack up Jerry Seinfeld! Probably one of the only people who could. These two were almost equals but I’d give the edge to Gary.
Neal Brennan said in a Comedians in Cars episode that he only watched like 7 episodes of Seinfeld and had this great line that "Every time I turned on Seinfeld, you guys were worried about a jacket!" - I found it incredibly accurate (love Seinfeld), but now I can see where Neal could probably got the idea. :)
I miss Gary SO MUCH HE WAS SUCH A JOY TO LISTEN TO. DIFFERENT. HILARIOUS. ITS GARY SHANDLING SHOW WAS ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITES FROM EPISODE 1 I NEVER MISSED AN EPISODE AND WAS A HUGE FAN EVER SINCE‼️ 📺 GARY NEVER FAILED TO MAKE ME 😂 LAUGH‼️💋🥰❤️🙏😇😘 IN ADDITION THAT EPISODE OF GARY ON COMEDIANS IN 🚙 CARS GETTING COFFEE ☕️☕️ WARMED MY HEART AND SOUL. THE WAY THEY EXPRESSED THEIR APPRECIATION AND LOVE FOR EACHOTHER AS REAL FRIENDS WAS A REAL GIFT TO EACHOTHER AND THE FANS‼️ THANK YOU 🎭 BOTH‼️❤️ 🙌 👏👏👏👏👏😭
hilarious, "there's a good little chunk". i'd kill to be that audience on the next bench. i love these types of conversations, garry always pushing boundaries. before comedians in cars.
Wow, Jerry's take at the very end on the rise and fall of a show is pretty damn brilliant. But it totally makes sense why the majority of shows considered good DO in fact cross the line, and end up being bad before the last episode. The majority see $ as the top priority, and clearly Jerry/Larry are rare breeds who see the product as the top and only priority.
I love when Jerry talks about the "Monster" of TV or Showbiz... how it always wins and to get out on top.... he has some deep fears there or something..... Jerry mentions it with Kevin Hart on his coffee show bout LA but love to hear a deeper convo from him about it
this is the way everything works. Ask Michael Jordan or Madonna. The other side of the coin is Lou Gehrig, Roberto Clemente, Len Bias, Kurt Kobain, Hendrtix, Mac Miller. Only the good (or great) die young. I was aware of this concept before I was 10 years old. My dad died when I was a baby, so I never knew him. I've never heard anything bad said about him ever. Even now. Of course he was a flawed human, just like everyone else.
"Whenever somebody gets sick I always think 'this is the big one' " Amazing footage, Jerry is legitimately bothered like the Yenta he is and Garry is just busting his balls
My mother worked as a waitress at that Soup Berg when she moved to NY from NJ in the 60's. I think it's a burrito restaurant now. I loved this bit more than the cars and coffee show.
Seinfeld is very cavalier here about actors. The other three (and the rest) on his TV show made him famous and mega rich. Is everyone else inferior because they didn't write the script ? Without the hugely successful show and the MASSIVE input from Larry David, Jerry Seinfeld would not be a world famous name.
Seinfeld chose Larry to work with him, after NBC chose him for the pilot. He spotted the rich vein of talent that jet propelled him to mega stardom. Same with picking the actors with Larry. His comedy skits are lame. His incisive use of words is his talent.
@@WARTV-dn5fk It is possible it cut both ways. the show barely survived the first 6 episodes ratings and the first season's. the writing and the performances both put it over. One mis-casting of the original 4 might have ruined the chemistry. Like Jerry's original casting of his buddy, whatsisname. it wouldn't have worked. I can't imagine him, or any actor other than jason Alexander doing that role. or Michael Richards. Or Dreyfuss. Those "other 3" are simply awesome comic actors. You can't really know if your assertion is correct.
10:05 reference/explanation of the dichotomy of vocation…it can be both a well of opportunity to express oneself in a meaningful way, and a way to heal oneself…explicated in the funniest way possible 😂
Jerry " You can order anything you want " Garry " but I ate earlier so I'm just having soup " Jerry " the soup counts. This is the meal. " Garry " Soup is not a meal Jerry "
Just recently got acquainted with Garry. Pure genius. Any idea if he and Larry David ever crossed paths or worked together? It seems as if they must’ve given how many close connections Jerry and Garry have. I just haven’t stumbled upon anything that suggests they did.
Gary’s Show was so much better than Seinfeld’s, imo these guys though, were tight and very similar approach to show business. It’s always good to see them together wish there was more
After watching so many of Seinfeld's appearances on talk shows, interviews, his Comedians in Cars thing, I've concluded he has real problems with being himself and being truly genuine with others. The facade never comes down, and he remains overtly distant and distracted throughout.
not sure how someone like Jerry could miss something so obvious..the essence of a joke often is about an element of novelty which is naturally lost on an individual after they've heard it once...but for something like acting, or music, it's about the experience which doesn't lose value in quite the same manner..
Beautifully said. Fans of Seinfeld rewatch episodes multiple times despite having most lines memorized, it's the rhythm, movement and timing actors bring to the words on the page for which the audience returns.
Well stated. Though I've long considered a lot of his stand up material great, I've also thought he was a bit of an ungrateful jerk. However, to be fair, I've no idea what it's like to be Jerry Seinfeld. I imagine people who reach mega success must become either bored with their lives or trapped by their own success. I can't imagine what it would be like to be so wealthy and famous that almost nothing is out of reach. While that could be a blessing, I see it more as a curse. I wouldn't trade places.
this is probably when jason michael and julia were fighting for points. for just repeating lines that were laboried over by him and larry. Though Michael really should get points for creating kramer.
For "just repeating lines??" If you're a fan of Seinfeld the tv show I guarantee you've watched your favorite episodes many times over, i.e. performance reshapes the text. Have some respect. Estelle Harris, who played George's mother, would be funny reading a phonebook.
My cousin went to Queens college with Jerry, good friends. Jerry would stay at my cousin’s house, instead of driving home to Long Island. My aunt always said, “such a good boy, that Jerry.” When I was visiting, I’d always ask if Jerry had been over recently, if she changed the sheets on the bed in the guest room. Of course she did. It was a lil dream of mine that I would have slept in the same sheets as Jerry. Oh, the 1970s and 80s!
"The good universe" is a phrase I've remembered ever since and it really does apply to the best TV shows. There's shows with good writing and acting but only a select few do you REALLY enjoy spending time in the world of a TV show. Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Succession, GLOW, Breaking Bad, The Wire and a few others come to mind.
i lost a jacket in baumholder germany in a bar when i passed out from drinking ratzeputz. i had bought that jacket in hong kong the year before when i was there on r&r from vietnam. that was in the summer of 1969...with respects to brian adams.
These two had chemistry together. Jerry , very clever, philosophical, and emotionally controlled. Gary, all heart and sentiment. I could watch them sit on benches all day and riff off each other.
Jerry seems more cynical than philosophical. Having worked with the best character actors of his era (their having made him multi-miliions), why on earth would he boast of a hostility toward actors and their craft?
@@hd-xc2lz because he feels actors have stolen thunder from his kind (comedians). He was crystal clear: he said his bellyache is with our culture , not with the actors themselves. Of course he’ll complain society doesn’t put comics on the same pedestal as actors- he’s a comic. Sour grapes!
@@hd-xc2lz : You’re reading too much into what people say. And his stuck up anger is a bit. All he cares about is being funny.
@@recipehacker9752 : : You’re reading too much into what people say. And his stuck up anger is a bit. All he cares about is being funny.
Yeah...both are catalysts
RIP Garry. Man, such a talent and a lovely guy.
I have not met him as many times as you, so I'll take your word for it man
So Garry Shandling came up with the idea for "comedians in cars".
Exactly, I had the same thought 😆😆
With out the cars..
Leno added the cars
Not quite. At 7:00, Jerry recognizes something about what Garry was doing at put his finger right on it, then much later, added cars, and then, distilled it to coffee.
Jerry recognizes tiny kernels when they're good, and then makes them into something that will grow huge... Larry with _Seinfeld,_ and Garry with _CCGC._
I think Jerry even credits Garry at some symposium, or something.
Gary could never have host a show like this, it'd be boring without Seinfeld as host.
It’s calld a conversation….
Garry Shandling was the most underrated comedian! His talent was immeasurable. The Larry Sanders Show was the best show on TV! Incredibly funny. I love Garry
The Larry Sanders Show is an absolute masterpiece. Totally genius and will remain so.
You could not be more wrong! Go watch "The Zen Diaries of Garry Shandling". They don't make 4-hr docs on underrated comics. Garry was recognized as a genius (a troubled one, albeit) by the public, but even more so by his peers.
I loved his bit that his Mother wanted him to get married...so he doesn't die alone.
Garry... So how is it better?... I'm dying and oh yeah, I'm with her.
😂😂😂
There is one person that loved Garry more: That's Jerry! Nothing more satisfying than listening to these two. RIP Garry!
for me the Larry sanders show is not funny at all but it is very entertaining nonetheless
The conversation at the end is great. Cool to hear Jerry so open. Gary was the man #rip
This seems like the seeds of comedians in cars getting coffee. It's practically the same thing!
Once again, Garry was ahead of his time
I saw Jerry in an interview recently and he admitted this conversation with Garry gave him the idea for Comedians in cars getting coffee.
Did Jerry say anything about how the tv series IT'S GARRY SHANDLING'S SHOW was a sitcom starring a stand up comedian playing himself with his real name and occupation, and the show was about his life and he had a big-haired brunette platonic woman friend who would stop by, etc.?
Practically?!
Exactly the same, except for the cars and the coffee part.
"You sound like a woman. Put your husband on...."
That's GOLD Garry........GOLD!
This is Gold, Jerry. Gold.
Classic Seinfeld humor. This guy made the 90's much more enjoyable then they would've been without him.
Of course it's gold! That's all they deal with, well! That n the odd diamond
Sounds like someone is strainin to do some explainin
banya was the voice of a new generation
Gold, Jerry!!
"It's Garry Shandling's show" and "the Larry Sanders show" were both way ahead of their time
@@nowadayswithandy I mean he didn't have to sign the autographs. And when they say thank you he looks them in the eye and says you're welcome.
Absolutely
Just Michael's entrance and exit through Jerry's apartment door is worth a special emmy!
I miss Garry. RIP.
It's Jerry Shandler
Garry became such a nice guy, Jerry still has time. R.I.P. Garry 🙏🏼
Hahaha, perfect comment.
gary was influenced by tom petty. jerry was influenced by dryfuss.
that ship has sailed. keep those hands together for the world.
Whether he becomes a sweetheart or not, he'll be fine.
How do you know he isn’t?
Two geniuses talking.
The interview started to get really interesting at the very end.
Now this makes the Comedians In Cars bit about Matthew McConaughey selling Lincolns even funnier - Garry was still giving Jerry grief for the lost jacket.
10:28 "I think I hear rage" ... lol 🤣
I love how Shandling can really crack up Jerry Seinfeld! Probably one of the only people who could. These two were almost equals but I’d give the edge to Gary.
Agreed
Yup
And make Jerry drop an F bomp.
Jerry Seinfeld laughs at anything
the edit wasn't to put another r in garry?
THIS IS GOLD!!! Love ya both. RIP Garry. Jerry, you already know this, you are a genius and thank you for sharing your comedy gift.
It’s terrific when friends can disagree but still respect each other
This is such a brilliant video. I come back to it time and time again.
A glimpse into the future of “comedians in cars getting coffee“ 🏆
Neal Brennan said in a Comedians in Cars episode that he only watched like 7 episodes of Seinfeld and had this great line that "Every time I turned on Seinfeld, you guys were worried about a jacket!" - I found it incredibly accurate (love Seinfeld), but now I can see where Neal could probably got the idea. :)
Jerry's got a better bluetooth here in 2004 or whenever this is than I do in 2021
Comedians on a park bench get fresh air.
Garry Shandling referencing the lost jacket in comedians in cars is too funny
I miss Gary SO MUCH HE WAS SUCH A JOY TO LISTEN TO. DIFFERENT. HILARIOUS. ITS GARY SHANDLING SHOW WAS ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITES FROM EPISODE 1 I NEVER MISSED AN EPISODE AND WAS A HUGE FAN EVER SINCE‼️ 📺 GARY NEVER FAILED TO MAKE ME 😂 LAUGH‼️💋🥰❤️🙏😇😘 IN ADDITION THAT EPISODE OF GARY ON COMEDIANS IN 🚙 CARS GETTING COFFEE ☕️☕️ WARMED MY HEART AND SOUL. THE WAY THEY EXPRESSED THEIR APPRECIATION AND LOVE FOR EACHOTHER AS REAL FRIENDS WAS A REAL GIFT TO EACHOTHER AND THE FANS‼️ THANK YOU 🎭 BOTH‼️❤️ 🙌 👏👏👏👏👏😭
hilarious, "there's a good little chunk". i'd kill to be that audience on the next bench. i love these types of conversations, garry always pushing boundaries. before comedians in cars.
Wow, Jerry's take at the very end on the rise and fall of a show is pretty damn brilliant. But it totally makes sense why the majority of shows considered good DO in fact cross the line, and end up being bad before the last episode. The majority see $ as the top priority, and clearly Jerry/Larry are rare breeds who see the product as the top and only priority.
It's a little easier when you've already made a billion.
So true. Look at the Office. Such a great show until Micheal left and they brought in every possible hack to juice up what should have been cut.
He definitely left Seinfeld on a high note. Season 9, the final season, was one of the most brilliant of all the years IMO.
These two should have done a 'The Trip' style movie.
HaHa!
i lost my favourite jacket when i had 300 euros in my bank account. jerry has 800 million and he is more upset than i was
It’s about the emotional connection to the clothes not the 💲💲💲
HE IS JUST A SPOILD BRAT....ALWAYS HAS BEEN! WATCH THE LARRY KING INTERVIEW..
Rest in Peace Gary. Rest in Peace Phil. Glad I saw this.
Jerry is right, that Phil Hartmann SNL DVD is amazing
I love when Jerry talks about the "Monster" of TV or Showbiz... how it always wins and to get out on top.... he has some deep fears there or something..... Jerry mentions it with Kevin Hart on his coffee show bout LA but love to hear a deeper convo from him about it
this is the way everything works. Ask Michael Jordan or Madonna. The other side of the coin is Lou Gehrig, Roberto Clemente, Len Bias, Kurt Kobain, Hendrtix, Mac Miller. Only the good (or great) die young. I was aware of this concept before I was 10 years old. My dad died when I was a baby, so I never knew him. I've never heard anything bad said about him ever. Even now. Of course he was a flawed human, just like everyone else.
Hey Now !!! Great phrase. Use it all the time....& that ......."and now because the charges were dropped, LARRY SANDERS !!!"
Scorecard:
Had a hit in the 80’s -G.S.
Had a hit in the 90’s -Both
Hit a series finale home run-G.S.
J. Seinfeld 1 -- G. Shandling 3
There's only ever going to be one Garry Shandling for all of time!!
"Whenever somebody gets sick I always think 'this is the big one' "
Amazing footage, Jerry is legitimately bothered like the Yenta he is and Garry is just busting his balls
Wow the great chemistry between these two was magical!!!
Apart from in the lobby
I absolutely love watching these two guys hang out that is more funny than any scripted show they can ever do together .
My mother worked as a waitress at that Soup Berg when she moved to NY from NJ in the 60's. I think it's a burrito restaurant now. I loved this bit more than the cars and coffee show.
~Jerry's SNL skit where he plays a high school history teacher is my favorite SNL skit ever!!!~
Gary and his act with his character "Patty" as his girlfriend is one of the funniest I have ever heard.
A profound statement on the power of television by Jerry at 22:15. Great insight.
That was amazing, he’s absolutely right.
I love these two, especially when they try, at their maddening best, to figure out why they are successful. BECAUSE YOU ARE CREATIVE…..😂
I worked at a health club in the early 2000s and the pair came in and they had lunch. Had no idea this was a thing for them.
Seinfeld is very cavalier here about actors. The other three (and the rest) on his TV show made him famous and mega rich. Is everyone else inferior because they didn't write the script ? Without the hugely successful show and the MASSIVE input from Larry David, Jerry Seinfeld would not be a world famous name.
How the heck do you know
No, Jerry made those actors successful 😃
Seinfeld chose Larry to work with him, after NBC chose him for the pilot. He spotted the rich vein of talent that jet propelled him to mega stardom. Same with picking the actors with Larry. His comedy skits are lame. His incisive use of words is his talent.
@@WARTV-dn5fk It is possible it cut both ways. the show barely survived the first 6 episodes ratings and the first season's. the writing and the performances both put it over. One mis-casting of the original 4 might have ruined the chemistry. Like Jerry's original casting of his buddy, whatsisname. it wouldn't have worked. I can't imagine him, or any actor other than jason Alexander doing that role. or Michael Richards. Or Dreyfuss. Those "other 3" are simply awesome comic actors.
You can't really know if your assertion is correct.
@@MarkTarmannPianoCheck_it_out did the actors suddenly get better after 4 seasons? Or did the audience finally catch up? I think the latter 😊
LOL, Jerry puts his sunglasses on to answer a call.
“… can I say something?”. . . . Lol😂😂😂
Hey, cool. Thanks for posting.
10:05 reference/explanation of the dichotomy of vocation…it can be both a well of opportunity to express oneself in a meaningful way, and a way to heal oneself…explicated in the funniest way possible 😂
''I think I hear rage.'' Brilliant line
Imagine our relief that Jerry found that jacket!
i have always wondered why brilliant shows end , now i know XX two legends XX
Comedians In The Park Not Getting Coffee
The comedy show they could have made together.
Ohh thank god it never happened!! Jesus! This was ENOUGH...exhausting! 😐
I have to put on mu sunglasses when I answer a phone call. It's the only way
Acting Workshop: Bobby Coldsman Teaches His Techniques - Saturday Night Live 14:24 ua-cam.com/video/m6MPiudd_Hw/v-deo.html
Thank you very much!
Jerry " You can order anything you want "
Garry " but I ate earlier so I'm just having soup "
Jerry " the soup counts. This is the meal. "
Garry " Soup is not a meal Jerry "
this is the real inspiration behind getting coffee series
You can see the influence Gary had on Jerry, even in early Larry sanders.
I'm psychic and I have the feeling that your jacket is somewhere.
Well, duh!
Just recently got acquainted with Garry. Pure genius. Any idea if he and Larry David ever crossed paths or worked together? It seems as if they must’ve given how many close connections Jerry and Garry have. I just haven’t stumbled upon anything that suggests they did.
"getting into show-business is a symptom of core dysfunction" LOL
Gary’s Show was so much better than Seinfeld’s, imo these guys though, were tight and very similar approach to show business. It’s always good to see them together wish there was more
this is gold i hope it stays on here 8:30
This is gold, Jerry! Gold!
Gary and Jerry could almost be Siblings!!....LOL.🤣😂
I loved Gary's show, it was like an early Seinfeld. RIP.
The first Comedians walking the streets getting coffee. 😎
After watching so many of Seinfeld's appearances on talk shows, interviews, his Comedians in Cars thing, I've concluded he has real problems with being himself and being truly genuine with others. The facade never comes down, and he remains overtly distant and distracted throughout.
Lots of fake, forced laughter too ---- like at 9:18.
I feel that Jerry's biggest insecurity is shown right at the end: he is afraid of appearing to be unsuccessful, even though that is now ridiculous.
The jacket episode was great ! With the pink stripes inside.
Lemme bounce something off ya lololol
Comedians in Parks getting Lunch…
Thank you🌺
RIP Gary and RIP Phil
Jerry invented being distracted with your phone while someone was talking to you.
not sure how someone like Jerry could miss something so obvious..the essence of a joke often is about an element of novelty which is naturally lost on an individual after they've heard it once...but for something like acting, or music, it's about the experience which doesn't lose value in quite the same manner..
Beautifully said. Fans of Seinfeld rewatch episodes multiple times despite having most lines memorized, it's the rhythm, movement and timing actors bring to the words on the page for which the audience returns.
Comedians need to remind the culture to not be so serious... laugh at each other and ourselves too.
Damn... Garry Shandling gone way too soon. I still enjoy the brilliant Larry Sanders show.
Thank you Garry
Seinfeld's arrogance is the dysfunction that he doesn't see.
Well stated. Though I've long considered a lot of his stand up material great, I've also thought he was a bit of an ungrateful jerk. However, to be fair, I've no idea what it's like to be Jerry Seinfeld. I imagine people who reach mega success must become either bored with their lives or trapped by their own success. I can't imagine what it would be like to be so wealthy and famous that almost nothing is out of reach. While that could be a blessing, I see it more as a curse. I wouldn't trade places.
this is probably when jason michael and julia were fighting for points. for just repeating lines that were laboried over by him and larry. Though Michael really should get points for creating kramer.
For "just repeating lines??" If you're a fan of Seinfeld the tv show I guarantee you've watched your favorite episodes many times over, i.e. performance reshapes the text. Have some respect. Estelle Harris, who played George's mother, would be funny reading a phonebook.
@@hd-xc2lz Now there's a thought! I'm even laughing from the idea, Estelle.
OMG, this is such an education. So informational. This is a gem.
What are you? Are you made of stone?
My cousin went to Queens college with Jerry, good friends. Jerry would stay at my cousin’s house, instead of driving home to Long Island. My aunt always said, “such a good boy, that Jerry.” When I was visiting, I’d always ask if Jerry had been over recently, if she changed the sheets on the bed in the guest room. Of course she did. It was a lil dream of mine that I would have slept in the same sheets as Jerry. Oh, the 1970s and 80s!
Go watch Garry talking with Tom Petty…awesome stuff
“This jacket is somewhere”, what a genius!
Can someone tell me what this is from? I would love to get more of these interviews.
this is like a cut scene in a gta 4 mission
What year was this. What program. What was it for.
Wait....at the end....is that Larry David filming?!?!?!?
This could be the predecessor to Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee
Comedians on a bench talking comedy
"...maybe it's not all yawning chasms of human insecurity..." !!!
I always wanted to know where they get their ideas from..
"The good universe" is a phrase I've remembered ever since and it really does apply to the best TV shows.
There's shows with good writing and acting but only a select few do you REALLY enjoy spending time in the world of a TV show.
Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Succession, GLOW, Breaking Bad, The Wire and a few others come to mind.
canadians in cars . . . coming soon.
I just realized that Curb Your Enthusiasm is what you get if the Larry Sanders Show and Seinfeld had a baby.
What year was this when they did this interview??
Can you guess how many episodes a jacket was talked about on Seinfeld?
Jerry can afford EVERY check for the rest of time. Lol.
i lost a jacket in baumholder germany in a bar when i passed out from drinking ratzeputz. i had bought that jacket in hong kong the year before when i was there on r&r from vietnam. that was in the summer of 1969...with respects to brian adams.
What???
@@chrisspathelf2310 whom are to posting too?
@@donwelch6612 He can't correlate all that data.
The microphone guy should have asked
" could you take off your jacket?"
is larry david filming ?
I haven't been keeping up like I should. What happened to Gerry ?