The Framework 16!, Unboxing, Setup, & First Impressions!
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Unveil the @FrameworkComputer Laptop 16 with me as I unbox and assemble the modular laptop. Expect honest thoughts on the DIY experience, component quality, and overall value. Join the journey of assembly to first impressions in this deep-dive tech review series.
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00:00 - Intro / Agenda
01:07 - Unboxing
08:34 - Assembly
09:46 - GPU Swap
11:20 - OS Install
12:49 - The Good, The Bad and the "Ugly"!
21:30 - More Than a Simple Review!
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CJ just want to say this is by far the best unboxing first impression video and really shows your authenticity. This review also confirms my decision in canceling my batch 1 order while they were shipping due to all the mess of their roll out of this product.
Framework is always a fun conversation topic! This seems like a first generation product but still many things done right, while $2700 is quite a bit of money i remember about 15 years ago people paying about a 50% premium for their laptop to just write vaio on the case, and i dont remember them to be that reliable! The good thing is that there is the possibility for framework to fix/upgrade many of the problems down the line, like a bigger touchpad module or a better keyboard or screen etc
If nothing else at least for me Framework is making interesting products, even if they are quite a bit outside my price range, which seems to be most tech products nowadays!
Never buy based on the promise and, especially, a hope of one.
Well fortunately, they already have a stellar track record.@@burger-enjoyer
looking forward to more videos on this laptop. I almost pre-ordered it but couldn't justify the cost for my use case. I love the idea behind framework but the cost is what always holds me back. maybe one day i can pick up a framework used
Framework launched an outlet where you can pick up a refurbished or B stock framework 13 for as low as $499.
@@ElevatedSystems Oh snaps! def didn't know about that. I'll have to look into it, thanks for the heads up
Omg this is amazing! Can you link to this gold mine? @@ElevatedSystems
@@TokenTech Don't buy the b stock. The screens have manufacturing flaws.
@@HeyBuddays thanks for the heads up, I am currently not looking but I do have some friends who are so I will pass it along to them to look out for
Really appreciate the straightforward view, non-sensational, no music, lack of unnecessary jump cuts, etc.
Given their focus, I’ll keep my batch 2 order and expect them to resolve any of these issues. If they can’t handle that within the return window... well. I trust they will, but they’ll have to prove themselves regardless.
Batch 3 order here, it's honestly been a massive like challenge keeping up to date with the reviews. I'm holding on rn but really hope the final product in my hands is a lot better. And the any issues get sorted out and customer support is good in the interveing months.
Man, your honesty is very much appreciated. I never really cared about those useless graphs for benchmarks and all that jargon. I need stuff like this, real reviews of the essentials. Like you said, we are spending our hard earned money on this and we definitely need our money's worth. Great video, brother. Looking forward to the series.
Most people just buy new Laptop after 4 years, upgrade parts, muahahaha, not for most.
build it yourself, out of the box, some only !
Hope the issues smooth themselves out. I’m excited for my order and want Framework to keep improving
Yeah, thanks for the support !
Good luck upgrading parts !
we all hope this is the future, give them 10 years, be critical then !
YAY!!!!!! Hey CJ, I can't really put my finger on it but I liked this assembly-to-music more than the one you did with the PC you build in a recent video (the PC you're setting up to put against the new Framework). If you were deliberately trying something a little different, it worked for me :D.
I’ll grab some similar tracks to lay on the remaining vids in the series.
Hey, thanks for this really awesome Video. Best one on the Framework 16 I have seen so far.
Conceptually, I see machines like this as ideal for group deployments like student laptops at schools. In the likely scenario that something breaks due to rough handling it would be easier and less expensive for an IT person to replace individual parts than a whole machine. That said, the price point and the fit/finish quirks might be a tough sell. I hope that Framework is able to address and iterate on some of the common issues moving forward. It feels like they have a decent platform (a "framework" if you will) and that improvements (like different screen, keyboard or track pad configurations) can be released to meet those pain points in the future.
Thank you for your honest observations.
Thanks for the video!
I bought the 13 partly based on your reviews and I'm very happy with it, it was exactly what you described. I was considering to recommend the 16 to my dad, though given the current reviews I'll probably give it some more time.
Thanks for an honest video of first impressions!! 🎉
Thank you for your honesty! Mike in the UK
Nice analysis and rundown. My next laptop will likely be a Framework, and I've been seriously looking at the 16, but I think I might wait until the next gen of the 16's design. There are some fit/finish things you highlighted that I'd like to see worked out. I'm patient and my current daily laptop still have another couple years of life in it yet.
While the modularity of the keyboard and track pad is neat, I hope they have options for a solid all-in-one face plate in a few configurations, mimicking the look and feel of the 13" models. I would opt for a number pad on the right, and the keyboard and touch pad to the left as one solid plate.
You want the track pad to not be in the center?
Also why left? Assuming your right-handed wouldn't it be better on the right?
@@bland9876 Because that's how all other laptops with a number pad have it. If the track pad was on the right my palm or wrist might activate it. Normally the track pad is centered on the keyboard, making it on the left when there is a num pad. Also, I'm left-handed but I still use my right hand for mouse activities.
@@mllarson hmm wonder why laptop makers did that.
Finally YT is suggesting your videos- yay!
The best review out there, not even close, you rock.
just arrived loved the video keep the good work uè
This makes me not feel as bad that my pre-order is in batch 9.
Great video, thank you
Like you, I’m all in on the serviceability and upgradeability of Framework (got a 13).
Although I’m still likely to get a 16 at some point, I’m grateful for your review. I’ll definitely hold off for now.
Great video! I really appreciate your honesty. We are all big fans of the framework, but we know it has its flaws too. :)
Good video. I think I have watched every other review on UA-cam to date, showcases to me that it is an interesting product, but that it feels like it isn't quite done yet. Though the communication between Framework and the preorder customers seems to indicate the same.
I am looking forward to more of your vidoes about this product, but all of the reporting has somewhat tempered my interest for the device, though the Framework 13 is looking more interesting. Personally I was hoping that the overengineered cooling could allow me to have a laptop that is perfectly silent.
So far, and again it's only been a couple days, I prefer the FW13.
Finally! Let's go!
My pre-order is on it's way and I'm really hoping that I'm able to upgrade/improve my framework over time. This laptop is my replacement for my venerable 15" MBP 2013 (best laptop ever!) and I will be doing a lot of similar tasks, particularly Fusion 360. I need a big screen otherwise the 13" would have been the right choice by far. Also, I hate disposable electronics so I'm hoping this encourages other companies. Thanks for doing a deep dive over time.
Good review. All the points made, are valid. Criticism on point. I hope to order one at the end of this year, but the cost is the biggest hindrance in the thought process. The high cost defeats the idea of making it mainstream. But making it cheaper is hard, because of the low volumes produced. I have ten months to excuse the high price to my self. I come up with something eventually 🤣
This is a great overview of what I think are the important first impressions for a laptop! I have an early framework 13” model, and they hit the nail on the head with it considering what they were trying to achieve (price, modularity, form). The 16” doesn’t seem to have succeeded as much. I’m hoping in future revisions they’ll make necessary changes to fill the shoes they laid out for themselves.
Man if only Framework has a touchscreen screen option and a KVM module. I am still having my Framework 13 12th Gen waiting to upgrade but haven't seen anything really compelling yet. Thanks for the review. Still waiting for upgrades on the Framework 13, hoping as the years go, CPUs and iGPUs get more powerful.
CJ thanks for the unboxing, would you recommend removing the expansion bay shell?
*Hey man U r my favourite Framework related channel and idk why I felt care about u I hope u r doing good. Please take rests and required tests needed. I somehow felt that U r doing lot of work lately. Please take ur care and stay healthy.* 😊🙂
Comment for the algorithm. Also can't wait for framework to have an even bigger laptop with more expansion ports.
I'm really looking forward to more videos from you about framework. I know you had mentioned maybe quitting UA-cam, I hope you don't. I am one of the people not really interested in case reviews, but I do my best to watch all your framework content. Thank you for your videos!
sethperry6616
Are you new here, why you say that ? Everyone here needs the change !
Who need to upgrade an 3 year old system, or buy a new laptop ?
UA-cam reviews, why you trust this guy ? More content, i will check !
I’m pleased I cancelled my pre order and went for a framework 13. I prefer the look of the 13
If you didn’t need a dedicated GPU and don’t want a numpad then the 13 inch model is definitely the better option.
Thanks cj
I'm going to wait a bit to get one, it's on the horizon but can't justify it just yet. Looks great!
Red Pill: Don't get one, the keyboard is horrible.
I'm in Batch 5 so I'll be interested to see how mine works out! Good constructive video, I hope they will take on your critiques and use them to refine the 16.
I remember the Left Spacer issue from a video, but I forgot who made it. But I definitely saw this mentioned some time ago. A bit sad its still not fixed.
Can't wait world wide massive launch
for someone with multiple browsers opem, spotify, and VScode, what kind of battery life would I expect to get with a framework? Are they better than the typical windows laptop or about the same? Awesome video man, thanks for putting in so much work for all of us to benefit from!
At [5:39] (skip through the second frame by frame), you can see a small gap between the touchpad housing and the actual touchpad. So it looks like grime and dust can enter there during use.
[6:30]: Are the old USB-C modules you have rated for USB-PD-ESR?
Realest review of the Framework 16
Have you tried to set up a virtual machine running windows on it yet? I can’t find the virtualisation setting on mine and I an using oracle vm
Heck yeah lets GO!
Looking forward to your future videos on this! I am actually likely to cancel my Framework 16 pre-order should I ever be notified that it will be shipping soon - I am about to make a down payment on a house, and I can't afford a sudden $2000 expenditure. If mine doesn't end up shipping until July or so, then I should be fine, but otherwise I'll need to cancel and purchase later :)
I'm hoping they solve the problems with fitment and finish by the time they ship my Batch 4 order. Still, the main reason for ordering it is the repairability for a workstation/gaming class computer. Every laptop I've had that wasn't a full CNC metal chasis has had hinge failure. I suspect that the framework will *also* have hinge failure. It is inevitable on a workstation/gaming class computer due to the thermal envelope reducing plastic lifespan. I have heard so many: "This never happened to my dell/lenovo/hp/etc." but again, most people aren't doing workstation class work with a business/consumer laptop. Its all about the use case. I have been known to have multiple laptops going for 14+ hours a day for multiple days while on the road. We will see if this meets the needs. But at least with this I know that a hinge failure likely isn't going to damage the main board and user-available replacement components exist. I am not expecting it to be inexpensive to repair, but I am expecting to be able to repair it before further damage happens. I keep my computers until they die. I'm hoping this one might last until I die - even if it is the "Laptop of Theseus".
I actually like that the shades are different. I'm kind of done with these perfectly egal slabs of aluminium and plastic.
It’s a first gen product and much better than any other modular laptops, lime the first gen play station or iPhone it will get better in 1 or 2 generations
Thanks for the review! So glad I cancelled my batch 2 order. At this price point, this laptop is simply not worth it and the only reason to buy this is because you support the FW mission statement. However, even that is somewhat problematic when you can get Thinkpads and HP Elitebooks that are equally user repairable with available components and official tutorials but with better build quality. I even believe LTT did a video on the high user reparability of the Elitebook 845 G9. But the FW 16 is a gen 1 product and can only get better. Looking forward to more of your videos as well as seeing how FW expands on this concept moving forward! Nice job CJ as always!!!
Love the video and attention to detail. A little disappointed by the bad and the ugly parts.
Watching you go through the 16 screws and the flimsy expansion shield was rough lol.
I think the 16 inch will be a hard pass for me this go around. Look forward to the upcoming videos about the performance of the unit
The concept is mildly reminiscent of the Sandbenders laptops in William Gibson's _Idoru_. These were highly customized/individualized machines with a recycled chassis and DIY components: "And once you had the case, when the manufacturer brought out a new model, well, if the electronics were any better, you just pulled the old ones out and put the new ones in your case. So you still had the same object, just with better functions."
I doubt the Idoru copyright holders would go for it, but if Framework takes off i wonder if they might co-brand a Sandbenders model... or some 3rd party can do it.
i have no idea if the Framework (batch 11) will save me money or create less e-waste over time (maybe chassis will get "old" and I'll want a whole new system, or maybe the easy upgrades will incentivize more incremental upgrades over time creating more e-waste).
Odd about the SSD, the 2230 is the secondary storage and the 2280 is the primary when configuring at purchase. What type connector is on the modules? It's interesting that you can put different connection types in any of the slots for the most part, Ethernet, hdmi, usb, work on the same ports.
As many have stated, the keyboard trackpad should have been one unit with multiple configurations. That would have limited the alignment and color matching faults you encountered while keeping some of the modularity.
Not all people need al, always Keyb, mouse always !
This is awesome.
Thanks for this video and your observations.
I love what framework is doing.
This 16 inch model isnt for me.
I'm hoping that they are eventually able to make a 13 incher with a 360° hinge and a touch screen with wacom pen support.
I hope others wirh less eclectic needs keep framewoek going... And I'll keep recommending the 13 inch model to folks where appropriate...
single hand opening is also much easier when you have more mass on the bottom
Personally, I don't need a modular laptop but what I do need is something that can rebuild old Lenovo/IBM Brickpads into mobile gaming machines. They were great laptops to use, you could drop them out of a plane and they'd still work.
They could make a version with non customizable keyboard and focus the customization on the CPU and GPU and screens only.
It would improve the ergonomics of the laptop.
Will it run enterprise operating systems such as oios Solaris 11 BSD etc
Its their first laptop in bigger laptops (although I would still love to see them enter 17.3 arena where thicker laptops are more acceptable, and with ample space I would hope for ample internal IO. For me that's party breaker, only 2 m.2 slots. Suprisingly for my priorities, issues you found aren't that big of a deal (for me, personally) if only it had more IO, which is big problem for me.
I just picked one of these up. While there’s a lot to be excited out, I think that left trackpad spacer poking and scraping my palm would make me want to throw it to the fire! Please work with customer service to try to fix this and post a followup!!
I did, this is the final video in a 8 part series on the FW16. You may want to check out my FW16 playlist.
@@ElevatedSystems Got it. Great series, and I’m glad you followed up on that. Very useful information.
Well i found this interesting just got no usecase for it right now sadly even though i like its modularity.. one of the reasons is that i dont need a powerful laptop right now.. it mainly needs to be a mobile camera and storage/ Display Device for my digital files while on the go. What mightve still sold this to me would ve been a 10G and 5g Option on the ethernet module, because i am really looking for a notebook with one of those so i dont need to use dongles for those ... speaking of the ethernet adapter: I am also saddened that it sticks out wich makes it smarter to transport that separately.
Nice! Better than L1 Tech's review.
I like the projects and stuff you do with your framework but Bro! You can buy a 16” laptop with a 13900HX & RTX 4080 for that price😮
But how long can you guarantee that will last you?
@@theninjascientist689 good question. If it's finances only, is it better to spend more now on a framework for potential savings down the line, vs invest/save the cost difference now and get a full upgraded system later.
Also this comparison is affected by wear and tear on the screen and chassis of the Framework, and maybe you won't be happy with it at upgrade time.
I'll like there not to be so much e-waste with my consumption habits, which is why I bought this machine (batch 11), but... it's marginal... at upgrade time there will still be e-waste, just less of it. And then with a lower price point and greater incentive to make incremental upgrades over time it's an open question whether framework owners would make *more* e-waste over time than if those same people had bought less upgradable machines and waited longer to go all-in in a full upgrade.
In short it's more of an emotional buy for me... I like supporting a new design, but I'm just buying good feels (which is fine, we do that all the time), it's not backed up by financial or environmental data.
After hearing the concerns with the keyboard, I have to wonder why Framework didnt opt for a 15 inch machine instead. I imagine recycling the 13 inch parts into the design would have been less awkward.
Regarding whether price is important for a review - I kind of land somewhere in the middle. A product is either good or bad, and separately, is priced too high, too low (this _can_ be a problem) or just right. Another aspect to Framework is that the price to performance should be at least within a reasonable margin of the competition, but I think a full half of the value of the laptop is the design philosophy, component interchange and repairability.
Love the look of this and the entire upgradability, but when i can get a more powerful machine for a similar or lower price i cant justify it. Also doesnt help just moving to Mac XD
They should sell the keyboard and trackpad modules as single piece modules. without those side tabs. It's less customizable on the fly but the reality is that people aren't switching these things constantly.
Oooft, the bezel pinching on the screen and the little corner jutting up on the spacer is yikes. I'll need to get myself some fine sandpaper just in case for when mine arrives. It's definitely some additional QA steps they could do on the floor for those problems.
I try to avoid first gen products and while it has issues, it is still very promising
now now now, we can build a build in laptop in table that can upgrade
I hope if Framework listens to You really tell them all the world now moving to 14" as the king of sizes in terms of performance and portability. So, I hope they rethink at the idea of the 13" and make it 14" with the option of HS AMD processors or even Intel.
A 14" Framework would kick ass. Funnily enough compared to other decent offerings at that size, even the 16" Framework is very competitively priced, at least where I live.
Which tech UA-camr made that price quote about laptops? Was it linus?
I'm not calling anyone out by name, but it wasn't specifically about laptops, it was just a statement about reviewing tech in general.
My 17 inch hp laptop i got back in 2006 was $1700. With inflation that's around $2300. that laptop is still cheaper by $100 despite the amount of customization you put into it.
is there a software/hardware switch to turn off the discrete graphics?
It’s a software switch and it’s automatic. The system runs on the iGPU until a program is launched that requires the discrete graphics. You can also disable the 7700s in the Radeon software.
@@ElevatedSystems thanks for the info!
Now I wonder who that reviewer is, lol.
I can see one can make points without price being involved but the issues with a product can be lessened by a lower price. And one can view something as the better product but because of the price something worse can be the better value.
Anyway nice to see all the extra parts you also got, so you can go more in depth.
I'm a bit disappointed that the usb slots are right in the middle of the sites. At the top would be better to make cables, usb-sticks etc. further away from you and a potential use of a bluetooth mouse. fans should only be at the back where the expansion module is.
Imagine if our display screens has PCI slot where we can attach multiple GPUs, wouldn't that free our laptops & desktops from having discreet GPU? It is graphic processing power on demand.
I'm getting this as my next laptop when I need one. I don't mind paying a little extra for being able to fix and upgrade it - it feels like that should be the default feature of every computer, but the truth is that it just isn't, and this is a clear "vote with your wallet" moment.
6:49 who is he throwing shade at here? Marques?
Wasn’t throwing shade. Just illustrating a point. Cost is a huge factor in adequately assessing a product.
If it had a nvidia option I might of but they didn't so I didn't I just got myself a rtx 4070 laptop and put 8 tbs in it
I love the idea of swapping components i had tons of Thinkpads over the year and repaired them 1000 times. However. You buy this laptop for 2500 and it might last you for 10 years or more, however a macbook will cost aroundthe same and will last the same time, feeling much more premium from the start and with huge benefit to use FCPX or Logic, which are a bargain if you are not overly pro. Ok i don't want to rise polemics about which one is better because none is better, but if you want to charge the price of macbook make it the same quality. Of course if your mb battery or screen dies you are in a huge trouble i acknowledge that
Does it have to be windows ?
Damn after just a few years framework is already on their 2,09,22,78,98,88,000 laptop??? Good for them ig
This is the fist review I see that even touches on build quality besides some propaganda-level bull from other creators too amazed by a whole 6 expansion ports total on a 2K notebook to notice ANYTHING about build quality.
I compared the diy version vs the prebuilt and it doesn't save you that much money going with the diy option
prebuilt: 2128$
7840hs
16 gbs 5600 (2x8)
512 gb ssd with windows home
7700s
numpad
power adapter
2 usbc modules
3 usba modules
1 headphone jack module
DIY version: 1961$
7840hs
7700s
numpad
power adapter
2 usbc modules
3 usba modules
1 headphone jack module
2128-1961 = 167
You basically get 167 to make up the difference in ram, ssd and operating system.
a 16 gb stick of 5600 ram is about 60$ (on amazon, the ram sold by framework is 80$) ssd cost will depend on your model but you're left with 107$ left for the ssd and operating system.
if you're a windows user and don't want to use a grey market key, The prebuilt option is more compelling.
I got 32 GB of Memory for $99 and 5 TB of storage for $320, Windows 11 Pro has been basically free for years now as you can use it without activation with zero problems. I only activate Windows if I'm using it on a system where it will be the only operating system in used. Like on my gaming PC.
@@ElevatedSystems sorry my comment wasn't targeted for your configuration, more so for casual users, who don't need all those upgrades.
Just out of curiosity I'll do a cost comparison for the overkill specked prebuilt
So 420$ for upgrades
2161$
7940hs
32 gbs 5600
5 tbs ssd(s)
7700s
numpad
power adapter
2 usbc
3 usba
1 headphone jack
2161+420=2581
Total cost of DIY (not including windows license) 2581$
2518$ Prebuilt
7940hs
32 gbs 5600
1 tbs ssd(s)
7700s
numpad
power adapter
2 usbc
3 usba
1 headphone jack
a remainder of 63$ for a 4 tb ssd (assuming the included ssd in the framework prebuilt is a 2230) you save 161$ or more going with the diy version. so it makes perfect sense for you to go diy.
The main concern is the screen pinching for me because if the screen is already pinched some shock or vibration while traveling can damage the screen as LCD screens are really fragile and that would end up a expensive mistake. Since this is laptop it is expected it will be carried around and some shock or vibration will happen.
Fit and finish also should've been better for laptop that costs that much. Users shouldn't be scraping their hands on the modules and the difference in color is also something that should be addressed as it's not a good look.
Framework has good idea but the execution is lacking especially considering the price.
Just hammer in the standard module EZ
Whats Starfield? Tell me that's a game that's included.
I’m batch 8. Can’t wait for my FW16. You’re crazy to upgrade to the 7940HS. That cost v perf gain scenario is way too poor for me to upgrade to the 7940 over the 7840HS.
!Impressed... This laptop pricing makes MacBooks look like a complete bargain...
This is an almost assembled computer.
I'd love a Framework 16 to use as a Linux workstation, but the price.... 💰
I think future upgrades besides memory and ssd are pointless. This thing will be even more dated in 4 years so upgrade to gpu or cpu will make even less financial sense down the road, also you can argue that you pay upfront the true upgrade costs when comparing it to a non upgradable machine.
2716 USD, with that fit and finish, lmao.
Get yourself a Thinkpad P16s at equivalent specs for HALF the price. It'll be cheaper to literally buy a new one in 3 years bringing you to the cost of a single framework (that will cost you the price of yet another P16s to upgrade!).
And the fact that Lenovo sells thinkpad batteries that are drop-in 5 minute replacements for years makes this useless for me.
While I'm sure you will get more bang for your buck with Lenovo, you will also be purchasing a product from a company that has this track record: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_incidents
And has this policy towards repair and upradeability: ua-cam.com/video/Ahw1cppZi-g/v-deo.htmlsi=oW2QkcHybn4VWx26
ua-cam.com/video/U2k9D81fbpA/v-deo.htmlsi=RFqxFFDOdWu_VWJq
@@peterscott8747 while the first one is definetely a concern, the second is... not really. Again, it costs HALF as much, so you can completely destroy your thinkpad in 2-3 years, buy a new one and have couple of more years with it.
Like, if the question was about 200-500 bucks difference, then sure, it's a good price to pay for repairability. But TWICE? That's... inadequate. Like, sure, some enthusiasts will buy it, but a regular customer? Never
13 was a good value product, this one is just..strange.
I was a little disappointed that you have to disassemble laptop to change the gpu module. I was hoping for "i am going to university, so i will leave gpu at home in one move" type of thing ...
All things considered, i would say that while framework 13 is unquestionably a successful product, this one is... Less obvious choice
13 really made me understand that companies bullshit us when they say their products need to be unrepairable to be refined. 16 looks really messy
hot
whats the point? They dont sell worldwide.
Another example of cool idea, terrible implementation.
7/10 idea 4/10 execution.
USBC hub with all ports you need are 20 USD on amazon why waste space on 6 expansion cards put 99 Wh battery and 2 extra speakers and the idea of replaceable GPU is dead because of nvidia and most of the damage a laptop gets is liquid damage good luck with that with this design. Thinkpad drain system keyboard was better and replaceable. And why did they make it open from the top of the deck not from the bottom It's very stupid.
Unpopular opinion? Just get a cheap decent laptop and remote into your desktop if you need more power.
Most people don't have the tech capabilities to do that. Also what if you don't have internet or you can't always have your PC on?
@@nikoszatcarnyi4028 then buy this. But for $2700 you can get a great laptop and desktop... A bit of research into VPNs and you can use it anywhere you have good Internet. Mainly useful for LAN setups though NGL. But if you have 100mbps with low latency then it'll be fine.
What if you don't have a desktop?
@@gwenmorse8059 if you have $2,700 to spend on a laptop... You could spend $1,700 on a amazing desktop in a thousand on a really good laptop. Remote into your amazing desktop and have the best of both worlds as long as you have good internet. Look and do remote desktop such as Chrome remote desktop. Or something like moonlight or parsec for lower latency gaming.
@@nikoszatcarnyi4028 you could easily set up wake on lan. Sends a magic packet that'll wake your computer up. And yes this only works if you have good internet connection. 4g or better.
let's hope institutions like universities will adapt to framework hardware and break their bond with apple: overpriced. unrepairable. unupgradable.