the advantages hydrofoils offer are actually much more prevelent in rough weather than in smooth weather. In rough weather, if you have tall enough foils, you can maintain the smooth ride quality, whereas in a regular boat, you'll have a much worse ride than if you were in smooth weather.
@@Mandatoryuser then it's no worse than a regular boat. - If it's shallow and the weather's rough, you are going to have an equally poor experience on either boat. - If it's deep and the weather's rough, you're going to have a better experience on the hydrofoil than a regular boat. - And if the weather's nice, you're going to have a much better experience on a hydrofoil than a regular boat.
If people are interested in reading more check out the Pegasus class hydrofoil coastal missile boats the navy had in the 70’s. Interesting to think about how modern electronic control systems could maybe used to overcome the challenges hydrofoils have had with rough seas.
Scale models are actually harder (because moment of inertia). They're just cheaper. And I've seen several UA-camrs solve this problem with scale models, and a handful of cheap electronics. Personally if I was to design one of these I would also add active aerodynamics and take advantage of ground effect. In theory you could get some really sick short flights.
Looks awesome. I really hope they can scale this even faster than planned! I can imagine autonomous vehicle technology could support point-to-point electric hydrofoil services competing with air travel in some cases, at least for (small) cargo.
I Am just happy to see development in the Hydrofoil department at all. I hope we continue to see a ton of development in this field. It's such a fascinating aspect of the watercraft world
One thing about small watercraft is you can use it in relatively shallow water. What kind of draft do you end up with on a PWC compared to a normal PWC? It looks like you go from a few inches to several feet.
Great idea, wish this was done long ago, but at least people are working toward more efficiency in small boats. As I watched this I was thinking it would be cool to pair this vehicle with a EUC (electric unicycle) that could be mounted behind seat. So that way this vehicle could be a tender on a large ocean going vessel and when you get to harbor you can get to shore and you have a way to travel on land from there.
I LOVE THIS! I'm from Minnesota and grew up on a lake. I could see this technology used as Uber or Door ("Lake"??) Dash - delivering people and food across the lake to your dock. There are many places that take current deliveries a long time, because the route might go from one peninsula to the next - even though the water is really only a small distance from shore to shore. With current boats, it's possible but it'd be expensive and slower. With Valo, it could be as fast as a snowmobile in the winter. Also, I could see an industrial, autonomous container hydro-flying from one port to another -- no ship needed. You set a container on a Valo hydro-frame that autonomously delivers a container to the next port where the container is lifted off. Charge the frame up and deliver the next one. So cool!!! I want one! :) Thanks for sharing!
Pretty cool. Foil setups for other sports have become incredibly cheap over the last few years. People are diying their own jet powered foil boards (search youtube) but all of those options require the human to have highly developed balance capabilities and get are getting into the water. I like the self balancing approach they've built and the fact it can be battery powered is cool. I can see myself getting one of these and keeping it at Berkeley marina. I can then quickly ride over to SF, Sausalito, Alameda or even Redwood City without having to deal with the choked roads. Based on stats from their webpage, its ~8 miles from Berkeley to SF Marina at 25mph that would be roughly a 20 minute trip. To drive that on a good day from Berkeley to SF Marina is 45 mins and a bridge toll. I'll be buying one if they can get that trip time down to 10 minutes. This would give me more time to meet with my LPs and investments in the city each week.
I’ve watch surfers use surfboards with hydrofoils off of Oahu. Some were kite surfers. I found it amazing. They would do it in rough blustery weather and surf and slice through rough surf. They would do it at amazing speeds. I find these PWCs with hydrofoils intriguing. I hope it’s safe. Those PWCs look heavy.
We would love to use this technology to get people to and from our lighthouses some day! We could also charge the boats with the solar/wind/wave energy we generate at the lighthouses. I wonder how they will handle 3 foot waves in the Chesapeake Bay?
There are a bunch of these types of boats being worked on. I have never seen video of any of them in real waves or chop. It seems like your life would depend on the software and a lot of actuators working perfectly.
Looks awesome but as always the deciding factor will be cost. If you can bring something like this out and have it be competitively priced to the current PWC market you probably will do great. If it costs twice as much it's going to be a much harder sell.
Nobody rides a jet ski because its fuel efficient. They ride it because it's fun. Also a jet ski is one of the most fuel inefficient machines ever made. I have one, it will use 10 gallons in an hour. Its not just impressive, its shocking how much fuel it uses.
If you loose the active stabilization how you will get back to shore?, if you hit your "ailerons" you are done, or a very slow ride back to home. Long term business plan is full of competitors right now.
A hydrofoiling PWC. Now that's a unique idea. I wonder why nobody ever did it before. Like say in the 80s.....(cough wetbike cough) OK...not exactly the same thing but it suffers from the same issues
How will waves effect this more amount of height height that the control can operate in, seems to be a big problem. An extending foil, that goes down as the waves go up aha 😅 seems a big problem for small craft
as someone from miami... we want to see it in real world waves, real world areas with natural environment, not just a concreted in canal like glass surface😅
why was image quality so like 80s in the 2013s. also combine ground effect flying near out of the water surface. why not full one reference model, that can be modified. if you use hydrofoil combo with ground effect folding gilder wings, you get fast up to speed with the foil then up in air in ground effect wings lift. also you can keep all the power systems above water, if using air propulsion propeller. yep air powered jetski, like paramotor on water and in air. yep not only water, but also air. also any props invisible in the water are away from the water. no sea weed issues.
“15 times less cost”. If the electric propulsion gives a three times reduction in cost c.f. fuel as seen in cars then are they claiming the foil system improves energy efficiency by a factor of 5. This seems high. Hope it’s true and wish these guys all the best but 15 times the economy seems a bit high. Looking forward to seeing range figures on the second prototype. However, I do remember a video of a small Japanese guy being propelled by a 2hp 2 stroke on a small hydrofoil boat.
Just a though for this team - the craft is wrong. People go on a wave runner *TO get wet* and to splash in the waves. You should consider commuting boats. For instance, those that go between Long Beach, CA and Catalina, CA. Or Seattle, WA and Vancouver, Canada.
Back in the 1960s there was an Austrian or German hydrofoil boat with a fully enclosed torpedo shaped body called the Zip Boat, or Zipsch Boat or something like that. It was clearly way ahead of it's time.
No shallow water operation, no parking on the beach. This thing is useless. You say it's fast how fast my 24 yamaha go 67. The new 24 seadoo go 70 something.
@@MrBoatman46 And strip mining rare earth minerals doesn't harm the planet? Where is all of this electricity going to come from solar panels? Come on, get with the program.
technology, future, habla habla.. when we have passenger ships on duna river in hungary 75years ago like this. run daly between budapest and viena. check: "szárnyas hajó"
2h fun than need charging? How it will operate on seacost with bottom like sand and stones? There is a lot of places on the water with low water levels and if this wing thing will reach these stone places? Efoil big disadvantage is charging like any electric vehicle have a low battery life time so interesting here what is gonna be Idea is good but not sure that all technology are ready for this now mean long power fast charging batteries
I guess no one thought through launching and landing the craft on shallow drafts. 🤔 Also, you know "beaches" or "sawgrass" and other waterborne objects.
Most people have very limited knowledge on hydrofoiling but there is lots of knowledge that you can draw on. Hydrofoils are nothing new and have been around for many decades and its only fairly recently due to the "electric revolution" that it has come into its own as the only way to make electric make sense in the water specially. We developed an electric hydrofoiling craft from scratch in 6 weeks, from concept to full working electric hydrofoil dinghy back in 2021. We developed the design while creating a digital simulator to evaluate the design virtually as we did our rapid development cycle with the aim to have the craft fly first time and thats exactly what it accomplished.
Crazy idea - can these things work as generators? There are moored wing and wave energy concepts.. maybe there is some blend with there tech finding efficiencies at the boundary
Hydro foil will never catch on I ran a hydro foil ferry and when it was rough it was down right scary and dangerous because we couldn’t foil and we could not go fast to have stability. This company won’t exist in 10 years.
Gonna revolutionize transportation like the railroad?! You used ENGINEERING to add actuators?!!! Woah!!! You did iterative analysis and development?!!!! Omg you plan to start with a prototype then want to build bigger boats?!!! Y’all a smart csuite but this seems like a Bay Area startup joke
Car can be parked with just the gear while the small boats cannot so you'll never see the transition you wish for, stop dreaming and research electrostatics and magnetics fields
@@somenygaard btw, i am a shadowban educator here since 2011, i know deeply how it all works. Linkspage, Eli Pariser will explain it deeper for ya... cheers (might be shadowbanned ha 😅)
That already exists.. and electric has become super efficient now, and close to being direct solar powered, if not super efficient hybrid mix use hybrid(plus now, some lithium solar battery company can 2nd hook up to car alternator to charge while you drive in 2 hours flat now)
manufacturing and material science is not why foiling isnt mainstream. Issues with rough weather and debris collision are much larger issues.
the advantages hydrofoils offer are actually much more prevelent in rough weather than in smooth weather. In rough weather, if you have tall enough foils, you can maintain the smooth ride quality, whereas in a regular boat, you'll have a much worse ride than if you were in smooth weather.
the advantages a hydrofoil offers over a normal boat are already large enough in smooth weather, but they become much bigger in rough weather
@@TSERJIif you have large enough foils, yea sure. What if it's shallow?
@@Mandatoryuser then it's no worse than a regular boat.
- If it's shallow and the weather's rough, you are going to have an equally poor experience on either boat.
- If it's deep and the weather's rough, you're going to have a better experience on the hydrofoil than a regular boat.
- And if the weather's nice, you're going to have a much better experience on a hydrofoil than a regular boat.
Nobody addressed debris collisions. These could be catastrophic to the foils and occupants.
If people are interested in reading more check out the Pegasus class hydrofoil coastal missile boats the navy had in the 70’s.
Interesting to think about how modern electronic control systems could maybe used to overcome the challenges hydrofoils have had with rough seas.
Sea state is their biggest issue. I wish them luck as modern boats are crazy inefficient.
Very true, gonna see a lot of broken foils from people who are used to normal jet skis.
Scale models are actually harder (because moment of inertia).
They're just cheaper.
And I've seen several UA-camrs solve this problem with scale models, and a handful of cheap electronics.
Personally if I was to design one of these I would also add active aerodynamics and take advantage of ground effect.
In theory you could get some really sick short flights.
Fun inverted pendulum problem. curios to see how design will advance to enable even greater agility. Congrats on the sponsor!
both Ed and Reo seem knowledgeable, down to earth (som pun intended) and reflect on the potential of the tech. best of luck, guys!
I see their future! Smaller and faster shipping containers! Hmmmm could be good.
Looks awesome. I really hope they can scale this even faster than planned! I can imagine autonomous vehicle technology could support point-to-point electric hydrofoil services competing with air travel in some cases, at least for (small) cargo.
I Am just happy to see development in the Hydrofoil department at all. I hope we continue to see a ton of development in this field. It's such a fascinating aspect of the watercraft world
Love the ambition, and the execution. Look forward to seeing these craft everywhere, it makes so much sense.
One thing about small watercraft is you can use it in relatively shallow water.
What kind of draft do you end up with on a PWC compared to a normal PWC? It looks like you go from a few inches to several feet.
I could imagine making it retractable would solve this issue
Yes, love the technology and direction you are taking. Early days but good luck in getting closer to a production model.
I am sure these are very smooth over wind chop like they mentioned so many times, but I wish they had footage of it.
Great idea, wish this was done long ago, but at least people are working toward more efficiency in small boats. As I watched this I was thinking it would be cool to pair this vehicle with a EUC (electric unicycle) that could be mounted behind seat. So that way this vehicle could be a tender on a large ocean going vessel and when you get to harbor you can get to shore and you have a way to travel on land from there.
I LOVE THIS! I'm from Minnesota and grew up on a lake. I could see this technology used as Uber or Door ("Lake"??) Dash - delivering people and food across the lake to your dock. There are many places that take current deliveries a long time, because the route might go from one peninsula to the next - even though the water is really only a small distance from shore to shore. With current boats, it's possible but it'd be expensive and slower. With Valo, it could be as fast as a snowmobile in the winter. Also, I could see an industrial, autonomous container hydro-flying from one port to another -- no ship needed. You set a container on a Valo hydro-frame that autonomously delivers a container to the next port where the container is lifted off. Charge the frame up and deliver the next one. So cool!!! I want one! :) Thanks for sharing!
*"time is money"* really is this simple. If your product succeeds it will be because it saved someone time😊
Miss my Aussies, "designed the shit out of it!" 😊
The new Intro is dope...well done
Very cool guys, would love one. Common theme of Ozzies moving to US for start-ups, maybe something our gov should reflect on
Pretty cool. Foil setups for other sports have become incredibly cheap over the last few years. People are diying their own jet powered foil boards (search youtube) but all of those options require the human to have highly developed balance capabilities and get are getting into the water. I like the self balancing approach they've built and the fact it can be battery powered is cool. I can see myself getting one of these and keeping it at Berkeley marina. I can then quickly ride over to SF, Sausalito, Alameda or even Redwood City without having to deal with the choked roads.
Based on stats from their webpage, its ~8 miles from Berkeley to SF Marina at 25mph that would be roughly a 20 minute trip. To drive that on a good day from Berkeley to SF Marina is 45 mins and a bridge toll.
I'll be buying one if they can get that trip time down to 10 minutes. This would give me more time to meet with my LPs and investments in the city each week.
I’ve watch surfers use surfboards with hydrofoils off of Oahu. Some were kite surfers. I found it amazing. They would do it in rough blustery weather and surf and slice through rough surf. They would do it at amazing speeds.
I find these PWCs with hydrofoils intriguing. I hope it’s safe. Those PWCs look heavy.
We would love to use this technology to get people to and from our lighthouses some day! We could also charge the boats with the solar/wind/wave energy we generate at the lighthouses. I wonder how they will handle 3 foot waves in the Chesapeake Bay?
There are a bunch of these types of boats being worked on. I have never seen video of any of them in real waves or chop. It seems like your life would depend on the software and a lot of actuators working perfectly.
Pretty rad but the lack of shallow water ability makes it pretty specialized for deeper areas.
I worry about the marine animal impact. It seems to me like it would be hard to not get hit buy a hydrofoil.
The same thing applies to regular boats and cars and airplanes.
nice video! love the new style.
Looks awesome but as always the deciding factor will be cost. If you can bring something like this out and have it be competitively priced to the current PWC market you probably will do great. If it costs twice as much it's going to be a much harder sell.
How do you clear errant fishing line. Buoys, spectra, how do you deal with conditions that aren't a flat calm harbor?
All demo videos are in idyllic water conditions. Let's see some demos on the open sea.
they will never beat the efficiency of a tire
I'm a bit concerned about so many moving parts being submerged in seawater. Seems like a lot to go wrong due to corrosion.
So how do you trail your hydrofoil jet ski to the river and put it in? What happens in shallow water?
Nobody rides a jet ski because its fuel efficient. They ride it because it's fun. Also a jet ski is one of the most fuel inefficient machines ever made. I have one, it will use 10 gallons in an hour. Its not just impressive, its shocking how much fuel it uses.
Very very cool channel! Keep it up
rather than make a whole jet ski, you should make something that attaches to one. i expect some royalties :D
How do you ride the foil to the shore?
I'm not sure if I missed it, but how did they solve the shallow water vs foil mast problem ?
Surprised there isn't any defense funding for designing an efficient stealthy rhib for infiltration
If you loose the active stabilization how you will get back to shore?, if you hit your "ailerons" you are done, or a very slow ride back to home. Long term business plan is full of competitors right now.
Hydrofoil container ship 😂
The Jobs link on the homepage of the website isn't linked :(
Swedish company Candela is ahead of these guys in this foil tech but there is room for many players.
There is a dealer for them just on the other side of the bay (Sausalito) so I'm sure they are aware.
😮 FUN!
A hydrofoiling PWC. Now that's a unique idea. I wonder why nobody ever did it before. Like say in the 80s.....(cough wetbike cough) OK...not exactly the same thing but it suffers from the same issues
Check out the swedish company Candela and their boats instead. Same technology, but more refined and in production.
How will waves effect this more amount of height height that the control can operate in, seems to be a big problem. An extending foil, that goes down as the waves go up aha 😅 seems a big problem for small craft
as someone from miami... we want to see it in real world waves, real world areas with natural environment, not just a concreted in canal like glass surface😅
these guys need to get like seadoo and collab with my guy iBelongoutdoors for a fishski episode native ad collab... 100%
Have to walk before you can run
You forget there’s things in the ocean you’re probably going to chop them in half
Why aren't they using toroidal propellers? If it's efficiency they are going for, go all in!
why was image quality so like 80s in the 2013s. also combine ground effect flying near out of the water surface. why not full one reference model, that can be modified. if you use hydrofoil combo with ground effect folding gilder wings, you get fast up to speed with the foil then up in air in ground effect wings lift. also you can keep all the power systems above water, if using air propulsion propeller. yep air powered jetski, like paramotor on water and in air. yep not only water, but also air. also any props invisible in the water are away from the water. no sea weed issues.
Looks like it has pitch issues.
“15 times less cost”. If the electric propulsion gives a three times reduction in cost c.f. fuel as seen in cars then are they claiming the foil system improves energy efficiency by a factor of 5. This seems high. Hope it’s true and wish these guys all the best but 15 times the economy seems a bit high. Looking forward to seeing range figures on the second prototype. However, I do remember a video of a small Japanese guy being propelled by a 2hp 2 stroke on a small hydrofoil boat.
I saw this in an old James Bond movie
booosting the aaaalgoooo~
I think it would be better if it was gasoline powered or maybe a hybrid
Just a though for this team - the craft is wrong. People go on a wave runner *TO get wet* and to splash in the waves. You should consider commuting boats. For instance, those that go between Long Beach, CA and Catalina, CA. Or Seattle, WA and Vancouver, Canada.
Back in the 1960s there was an Austrian or German hydrofoil boat with a fully enclosed torpedo shaped body called the Zip Boat, or Zipsch Boat or something like that. It was clearly way ahead of it's time.
I feel like this craft would get boring after a while. If I'm on a jetski, I want to hit some waves. They should make it retractable.
Dudes running a million dollar company off the cheap AliExpress FNIRSI oscilloscope 🤔 Perhaps this is the way
No shallow water operation, no parking on the beach. This thing is useless. You say it's fast how fast my 24 yamaha go 67.
The new 24 seadoo go 70 something.
Yea but yours are killing the planet. It’s time to go electric bud, get with the program.
@@MrBoatman46 And strip mining rare earth minerals doesn't harm the planet? Where is all of this electricity going to come from solar panels? Come on, get with the program.
pretty cool, but not strictly a jetski, no jet, i saw a prop.
Getting it on a truck or assembling it in the field is a problem
Price: $100,000
Top speed: 20 mph
Run time: 2 hours
* Halon fire suppression system for the battery compartment not included.
Q: How is kelp handled? Q: Do you intend to design a kit to be attached to a shipping container? 20ft? Or, 40ft? What would be the range of such kit?
technology, future, habla habla.. when we have passenger ships on duna river in hungary 75years ago like this. run daly between budapest and viena. check: "szárnyas hajó"
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2h fun than need charging?
How it will operate on seacost with bottom like sand and stones? There is a lot of places on the water with low water levels and if this wing thing will reach these stone places?
Efoil big disadvantage is charging like any electric vehicle have a low battery life time so interesting here what is gonna be
Idea is good but not sure that all technology are ready for this now mean long power fast charging batteries
I'll test the durability and reliability for free, if after 6 months and it's still running it should last the average person at least two years
I guess no one thought through launching and landing the craft on shallow drafts. 🤔
Also, you know "beaches" or "sawgrass" and other waterborne objects.
Most people have very limited knowledge on hydrofoiling but there is lots of knowledge that you can draw on. Hydrofoils are nothing new and have been around for many decades and its only fairly recently due to the "electric revolution" that it has come into its own as the only way to make electric make sense in the water specially. We developed an electric hydrofoiling craft from scratch in 6 weeks, from concept to full working electric hydrofoil dinghy back in 2021. We developed the design while creating a digital simulator to evaluate the design virtually as we did our rapid development cycle with the aim to have the craft fly first time and thats exactly what it accomplished.
How do you study Aerospace, Electrical and Computer Science? Those are 3 different Bachelor’s.
Very smart person
Crazy idea - can these things work as generators? There are moored wing and wave energy concepts.. maybe there is some blend with there tech finding efficiencies at the boundary
Make it totally waterproof and electric I have another market that’s untapped.
Hydrofoil PWC? The whole point of a PWC is to have a rough ride.
coast guard ships
look alot like destroyers
just sayin
The squared off bow looks ugly. I take it that it has some practical purpose.
nobody will commute on a jet ski, they are recreational toys.
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Hydro foil will never catch on I ran a hydro foil ferry and when it was rough it was down right scary and dangerous because we couldn’t foil and we could not go fast to have stability. This company won’t exist in 10 years.
Getting the Ski/Jet in and out of the water is going to be a major selling point. Also, it looks like the turning ability is not good.
Gonna revolutionize transportation like the railroad?! You used ENGINEERING to add actuators?!!! Woah!!! You did iterative analysis and development?!!!! Omg you plan to start with a prototype then want to build bigger boats?!!!
Y’all a smart csuite but this seems like a Bay Area startup joke
Wetbike... who remebers?
Car can be parked with just the gear while the small boats cannot so you'll never see the transition you wish for, stop dreaming and research electrostatics and magnetics fields
Ubermobiles 😅
366 views 43 min ago, this might be shadowbanned.
It’s not particularly controversial. What would be the motive to shadow ban a video about hydrofoil water craft?
@@somenygaard experimental.. also the description words, and words used in the transcript is considered into why
@@somenygaard btw, i am a shadowban educator here since 2011, i know deeply how it all works. Linkspage, Eli Pariser will explain it deeper for ya... cheers (might be shadowbanned ha 😅)
ultimate boring
Another electric crap.
Ditcht the electric nonsense and put a two stroke in there. People are gonna dig it
That already exists.. and electric has become super efficient now, and close to being direct solar powered, if not super efficient hybrid mix use hybrid(plus now, some lithium solar battery company can 2nd hook up to car alternator to charge while you drive in 2 hours flat now)
@@dertythegrower what the hell are you talking about lithium solar?
Peter, you sound someone back in 1920 telling them to ditch the engine and put a good old horse back on the chariot.
@@MrBoatman46 nonsense. What use is a Jetski that you to charge after 30 min of use
@@petergriffin4629 A nice quiet one that doesn't piss everyone off by the goats that drive em.
RCTESTFLIGHT is doing this better and open-source.