Thank you gentlemen ....... Another epic podcast....... Priceless aspects of leadership from "Monti" .... Thanks for helping us know the path... Cheers
"Dominate" comes from the Latin word "Domino" which means lord/master. Montey may have been referring to the caring and providing for subordinates like a lord or nobleman when using the word "dominate".
Montgomery lived in a more aristocratic society and military than any we have nowadays in the West. To him, gaining unconditional loyalty and submission from his men, as a suzerain from his vassals, was probably a way of looking at the requirements of command more in line with his background. Domination was very likely more important, more reasonable and more easily available to him.
dunno if you guys cares but if you're bored like me atm then you can stream pretty much all the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my brother for the last couple of weeks :)
From age 12 to 15 i arose at 04:00 🕓 to be outside 6 Mornings/week to deliver 70 newspapers. On my Route was a WW2 Veteran of the “Battle of the Bulge”. ~ He told me that his hair turned permanently white after the War... especially that Battle.
@@hantzleyaudate7697 ~ I cannot imagine going into combat. ~ I've almost been killed on i80 in a horrific crash...different of course, but didn't have time to feel afraid b4 getting knocked-out! ~ lol
I appreciate your reading the message from Commander Montgomery about the Brits not smiling. I always get something from your lessons on your podcasts, even if it’s just one little sentence, (it’s usually a lot more, though) it makes me smarter. I read something recently that I want to share with y’all. “There are two kinds of people in this world: ones that think since they had to go through it, you should too. Then, there’s the ones that think that since they went thru it, they want to work towards solutions so that others don’t have to.” I normally immediately dismiss the “two kinds of people in the world” compare/contrast, broad, stereotypical statements. But that one stood out as particularly on point for some reason. It seems like it’s true. Anyway, thank you so much for your podcasts as always. I really wish I could get my teenager to listen! I have started turning up the volume real loud so he has to hear it 😂🤷🏻♀️ something’s gotta jump out at him eventually bc he loves the things y’all discuss he just doesn’t like it bc his parent likes it. Annoying!!!!! Anyway, we saw Avengers & I’m totally pissed at how much Thanos looks like Jocko. Like... NO! I totally associate you guys with the good guys! Total cognitive dissonance situation, trés bizzaro
Montgomery, Rommel, Patton, Bradley, MacArthur, Tojo, Yamamoto, Eisenhower, Paulus, Heitz, Ricthofen, Zhukov, etc. There were so many great generals (regardless of sides) during such a worldwide conflict. It's amazing to be able to hear the thoughts and reflections of one of those great men during said time.
He means Dominate as in Dominate and here's why. The wars he fought were at a time when they were about conquering of other peoples and Nations. The Germans were trying to conquer everyone in both wars of his time. Further proof is that his Comparison to Napoleon and Alexander shows that He considered greatness to be about dominating and conquering which these two leaders were all about. To Monty, Leadership in Mitary action is synonymous with dominating...
I do wonder exactly what kind of job would require skinny knees and huge biceps? For real though, Echo's biceps have inspired me to do extra sets of curls at the gym.
I would say if your troops hate you, it doesn't automatically mean you are doing something wrong. For example, in Heartbreak Ridge, they hated him for a while but it was because they were used to being lazy and lax and he was trying to make them Marines.
A leader is like a parent. This also applies militarily. The most effective leaders are a blend of feared, respected but loved by their subordinates as a child loves and aims to please their parent. My analogy. Lol
@Mono Maxos it is indeed very good. The author, Steven Pressfield, has another book which is a short read called, Warrior Ethos. I recommend that as well.
I think he means "unyielding solidarity of will" when he's using "dominate". The internal fortitude to see his plans through and win without wavering. And when he's referring to "dominating" his men he's talking about winning them to his cause. You see how much I had to write to break it down? That's probably why he just used "dominate" instead. In our modern lexicon "dominate" must have different connotations than it did at that time.
The difference between a political and a military leader Montgomery emphasises is not one of presence or absence of politics or effectiveness, rather it is an issue of which matters most in the different areas. Consensus, efficiency, and effectiveness are all necessary in the military, in politics and in business. But the key issue differs among these types of activities and leadership. The ultimate KPI in business is the bottom line (on the long term preferably), i.e. efficiency in creating and taking opportunities trumps the other two. In the military is the victory (in battle and ideally in war) i.e. effectiveness and the entire military machinery is designed to deliver effectiveness above efficiency and consensus. In politics, de defining element is getting the majority of the votes, even if this means abandoning the original plans, even if it means becoming ineffective and inefficient from an implementation point of view. Building alliances is what matters and this is why it is the dirties and the worst performing sector of the three. So, a politician who prioritises efficiency or even effectiveness (in anything but building a winning coalition) will be defeated even when he stays nominally in power, like Cromwell, a dictator whose policies all failed. He probably overemphases it to encourage soldiers to stay away from the temptation which successfully lured his contemporaries, generals De Gaulle and Eisenhower.
As always a great podcast brother. One thing I have to question is why you think grooming is important (your reference to the soviets)? I when I was a grunt in Afghanistan we had MPs embedded in our FOBs, we didn't have to shave or have hair cuts. We spent more time on patrol and I truly believe we had better relations with the locals for it. Also as a SOF operator on operations grooming is also not a thing yet everyone is disciplined and focused on the mission. Why do you believe grooming is so important? Interested in your thought process! Thanks Jocko
dominate (v.) 1610s, "to rule over, control by mastery," a back-formation from domination or else from Latin dominatus, past participle of dominari "to rule, dominate, to govern," from dominus "lord, master," from domus "house" (from PIE root *dem- "house, household"). Meaning "have chief influence over or effect on" is by 1818. Intransitive sense of "predominate, prevail" is by 1816. Related: Dominated; dominating.
Great episode as always. Although it is probably a good thing Monty was a general, not a theologian. His analysis of the Exodus narrative is perhaps a bit iffy.
GOOD. podcast. I still believe you need to change up the opening and when Jocko says "Good evening, Echo". Echo should respond. "Stand by: To Get Some."
Great podcast but I wouldn't make sweeping statements about Cromwell unless you put the context in there. Cromwell (who I am not a big fan of btw) was in Ireland due to the Irish Rebellion and the Plantation Massacres where 12,000 Protestants were either directly murdered or starved to death. Now you could argue that the Protestants were an alien population (but so are the Celts who originate from Austria and parts of what is now Turkey) but that doesn't hide the fact that it was the Irish that started the killing. Cromwell is infamous for the siege of Drogheda where after the town was captured about 3000 English Royalists and Irish Catholics were murdered. But the problem is that Cromwell did demand their surrender first and the English Sir Arthur Aston refused. It wasn't unique that "Havoc" was called after a city refused to surrender back in those days.
Think of a sled dog owner dominating his dogs to achieve his will and the objective. He cannot reason with them, he must make sure the dogs go, perhaps against instinct, into danger and pain.
David Goggins isn't like in the SEAL community because he's not a team player and wasn't actually competent in the field. David was good at staying in shape but not on the important mission stuff
Jocko you do a hell of a lot of reading/dissecting/explaining to excuse the behavior of those whose chosen career path is security. When really, all you gotta do is acknowledge that the lot of em are out here walking around w/ a huge ass chip on their shoulders like somebody’s putting them out when really, the only unnecessary thing in the equation is THEIR ATTITUDES. Must be sooooo hard having to protect victims & their families that no one’s pursuing anyway. Glare & stare a little harder. I’m sure that helps the victims understand exactly why it’s going down like that. 🤨👎🏼 Just sayin. We ALL got problems to deal with every damn day. Not just these particular “in the know” subsets. To tell the truth it gets really really old. Complacency kills, does it not?
Thank you gentlemen .......
Another epic podcast.......
Priceless aspects of leadership from "Monti" ....
Thanks for helping us know the path...
Cheers
"Dominate" comes from the Latin word "Domino" which means lord/master. Montey may have been referring to the caring and providing for subordinates like a lord or nobleman when using the word "dominate".
Montgomery lived in a more aristocratic society and military than any we have nowadays in the West. To him, gaining unconditional loyalty and submission from his men, as a suzerain from his vassals, was probably a way of looking at the requirements of command more in line with his background. Domination was very likely more important, more reasonable and more easily available to him.
Glad I checked before I wrote the same
dunno if you guys cares but if you're bored like me atm then you can stream pretty much all the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my brother for the last couple of weeks :)
@Rocky Nasir definitely, I have been watching on InstaFlixxer for months myself :D
From age 12 to 15 i arose at 04:00 🕓 to be outside 6 Mornings/week to deliver 70 newspapers. On my Route was a WW2 Veteran of the “Battle of the Bulge”. ~ He told me that his hair turned permanently white after the War... especially that Battle.
Ric Caruso dear Lord that’s insane
@@hantzleyaudate7697 ~ I cannot imagine going into combat. ~ I've almost been killed on i80 in a horrific crash...different of course, but didn't have time to feel afraid b4 getting knocked-out! ~ lol
Jocko should review Liddell Hart’s “Scipio Africanus: Greater than Napolean.” The leadership lessons contained therein are truly timeless.
Agreed.
Jocko, Echo, Thank you so much! You guys are Awesome!
I appreciate your reading the message from Commander Montgomery about the Brits not smiling. I always get something from your lessons on your podcasts, even if it’s just one little sentence, (it’s usually a lot more, though) it makes me smarter. I read something recently that I want to share with y’all. “There are two kinds of people in this world: ones that think since they had to go through it, you should too. Then, there’s the ones that think that since they went thru it, they want to work towards solutions so that others don’t have to.” I normally immediately dismiss the “two kinds of people in the world” compare/contrast, broad, stereotypical statements. But that one stood out as particularly on point for some reason. It seems like it’s true. Anyway, thank you so much for your podcasts as always. I really wish I could get my teenager to listen! I have started turning up the volume real loud so he has to hear it 😂🤷🏻♀️ something’s gotta jump out at him eventually bc he loves the things y’all discuss he just doesn’t like it bc his parent likes it. Annoying!!!!! Anyway, we saw Avengers & I’m totally pissed at how much Thanos looks like Jocko. Like... NO! I totally associate you guys with the good guys! Total cognitive dissonance situation, trés bizzaro
What Winston Churchill said of the Battle
"This is NOT the end"
"NOR is it the beginning of the End"
"But it Is the END of the Beginning"
Dang! Dragon looks jacked. :)
Have Goggins on the podcast! Thank you for all you do, Jocko!
Goggins and Jocko are different animals. All that Goggins motivational speach makes me bored. "Let's grind and overtrain!"
Goggins has an incredible life story but he's a bit of a one trick pony...I think Jocko prefers guests that are more nuanced?
Definitely put a smile on my face when I saw Jocko on Billions today!👊
This podcast is on Spotify incase anyone didn't know and they're always up earlier than UA-cam
Their popup ads freeze to the screen though.
@@BillyGreen1920 yeah, well - ua-cam.com/video/BvQ571eAOZE/v-deo.html
@@thebugsy7633 right 😂 time to buy premium you cheap fuck
1:36:57 Echo looking jaaaaaacked!
When you're 26 years old, you gotta make your own Easter Eggs, SON!
Where time wise is this, im trying to find it again, it was GOOD
@@donovanc7795 17:55 Had to re-listen to find it. GOOD
The most important point I got from this podcast is I really need to go watch Major League.
Montgomery, Rommel, Patton, Bradley, MacArthur, Tojo, Yamamoto, Eisenhower, Paulus, Heitz, Ricthofen, Zhukov, etc. There were so many great generals (regardless of sides) during such a worldwide conflict. It's amazing to be able to hear the thoughts and reflections of one of those great men during said time.
He means Dominate as in Dominate and here's why. The wars he fought were at a time when they were about conquering of other peoples and Nations. The Germans were trying to conquer everyone in both wars of his time. Further proof is that his Comparison to Napoleon and Alexander shows that He considered greatness to be about dominating and conquering which these two leaders were all about. To Monty, Leadership in Mitary action is synonymous with dominating...
I do wonder exactly what kind of job would require skinny knees and huge biceps?
For real though, Echo's biceps have inspired me to do extra sets of curls at the gym.
Another great podcast as always. Please try to get Dan Crenshaw on the podcast or Tim Kennedy back.
Jocko, you need to do a Blood Meridian episode. You’re ready to get after this one
Can you invite Devon Larratt on the show. Canadian special forces shot during service and also world champion Arm Wrestler.
ITS HARD TO DOMINATE....
WHEN U HAVE SKINNY KNEES!!!!
Jocko have You considered doing a podcast on Stonewall Jackson. An Outstanding Leader and Man!!
You misspelled war criminal, and traitor.
I would say if your troops hate you, it doesn't automatically mean you are doing something wrong. For example, in Heartbreak Ridge, they hated him for a while but it was because they were used to being lazy and lax and he was trying to make them Marines.
A leader is like a parent. This also applies militarily. The most effective leaders are a blend of feared, respected but loved by their subordinates as a child loves and aims to please their parent. My analogy. Lol
Echo, when are you guys doing 'Gates of Fire'?
@Mono Maxos it is indeed very good. The author, Steven Pressfield, has another book which is a short read called, Warrior Ethos. I recommend that as well.
I would like to hear Jocko thoughts on Eddie Gallaher case.
I think he means "unyielding solidarity of will" when he's using "dominate". The internal fortitude to see his plans through and win without wavering.
And when he's referring to "dominating" his men he's talking about winning them to his cause.
You see how much I had to write to break it down? That's probably why he just used "dominate" instead. In our modern lexicon "dominate" must have different connotations than it did at that time.
Jocks has made me find materialistic things irrelevant
Good evening, Echo.
Great pod lads, thank you.
The difference between a political and a military leader Montgomery emphasises is not one of presence or absence of politics or effectiveness, rather it is an issue of which matters most in the different areas. Consensus, efficiency, and effectiveness are all necessary in the military, in politics and in business. But the key issue differs among these types of activities and leadership. The ultimate KPI in business is the bottom line (on the long term preferably), i.e. efficiency in creating and taking opportunities trumps the other two. In the military is the victory (in battle and ideally in war) i.e. effectiveness and the entire military machinery is designed to deliver effectiveness above efficiency and consensus. In politics, de defining element is getting the majority of the votes, even if this means abandoning the original plans, even if it means becoming ineffective and inefficient from an implementation point of view. Building alliances is what matters and this is why it is the dirties and the worst performing sector of the three.
So, a politician who prioritises efficiency or even effectiveness (in anything but building a winning coalition) will be defeated even when he stays nominally in power, like Cromwell, a dictator whose policies all failed. He probably overemphases it to encourage soldiers to stay away from the temptation which successfully lured his contemporaries, generals De Gaulle and Eisenhower.
Pre listening thanks
Good evening Echo!
“Dominance” was probably intended to mean strength of purpose....
I think the intended meaning was probably similar to Jocko's "Default Aggressive"
As always a great podcast brother. One thing I have to question is why you think grooming is important (your reference to the soviets)? I when I was a grunt in Afghanistan we had MPs embedded in our FOBs, we didn't have to shave or have hair cuts. We spent more time on patrol and I truly believe we had better relations with the locals for it. Also as a SOF operator on operations grooming is also not a thing yet everyone is disciplined and focused on the mission. Why do you believe grooming is so important? Interested in your thought process! Thanks Jocko
It's discipline
dominate (v.)
1610s, "to rule over, control by mastery," a back-formation from domination or else from Latin dominatus, past participle of dominari "to rule, dominate, to govern," from dominus "lord, master," from domus "house" (from PIE root *dem- "house, household"). Meaning "have chief influence over or effect on" is by 1818. Intransitive sense of "predominate, prevail" is by 1816. Related: Dominated; dominating.
Great episode as always. Although it is probably a good thing Monty was a general, not a theologian. His analysis of the Exodus narrative is perhaps a bit iffy.
GOOD. podcast. I still believe you need to change up the opening and when Jocko says "Good evening, Echo". Echo should respond. "Stand by: To Get Some."
39:50... I deal with this as a 1st shift supervisor EVERY DAY.
Do 10 burpees everytime Jocko says "that being said"
Dragon Boy! 😂 Amazing
Great podcast but I wouldn't make sweeping statements about Cromwell unless you put the context in there. Cromwell (who I am not a big fan of btw) was in Ireland due to the Irish Rebellion and the Plantation Massacres where 12,000 Protestants were either directly murdered or starved to death. Now you could argue that the Protestants were an alien population (but so are the Celts who originate from Austria and parts of what is now Turkey) but that doesn't hide the fact that it was the Irish that started the killing. Cromwell is infamous for the siege of Drogheda where after the town was captured about 3000 English Royalists and Irish Catholics were murdered. But the problem is that Cromwell did demand their surrender first and the English Sir Arthur Aston refused. It wasn't unique that "Havoc" was called after a city refused to surrender back in those days.
Jocko at 4 am... cheeeckk
How do you even upload a two and a half hour video, my WiFi would die!!
I want to do that online course! Put links in the description! Thanks for sharing
Think of a sled dog owner dominating his dogs to achieve his will and the objective. He cannot reason with them, he must make sure the dogs go, perhaps against instinct, into danger and pain.
I wonder if Monty stole the nickname idea 💡
Get Sum !
If its illegal to question...then i gotta ask
Dichotomy
Who dares to click on thumbs down? :D
I used to know girl nickname was big knee caps
Echo been playing too many video games lately or something
Based on these comments, echo may get stuck with skinney knees as a nickname
OMG Montgomery? Seriously?
Hello Jocko, are you able to bring David Goggins? Did you work with him in the seal teams? Thanks for all your hard work. Z
David Goggins isn't like in the SEAL community because he's not a team player and wasn't actually competent in the field. David was good at staying in shape but not on the important mission stuff
Jocko you do a hell of a lot of reading/dissecting/explaining to excuse the behavior of those whose chosen career path is security. When really, all you gotta do is acknowledge that the lot of em are out here walking around w/ a huge ass chip on their shoulders like somebody’s putting them out when really, the only unnecessary thing in the equation is THEIR ATTITUDES.
Must be sooooo hard having to protect victims & their families that no one’s pursuing anyway. Glare & stare a little harder. I’m sure that helps the victims understand exactly why it’s going down like that. 🤨👎🏼
Just sayin.
We ALL got problems to deal with every damn day. Not just these particular “in the know” subsets. To tell the truth it gets really really old. Complacency kills, does it not?
Echo has been going on more and more borderline incoherent rants lately, hahaha. You can hear Jocko take a big breath right before they start.
He seems pretty lucid and cogent to me. I think he does a good job expanding on a point and illustrating other examples.