Douglas Murray: Racism, Marxism, and the War on the West | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
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0:00 - Introduction
1:47 - Western civilization
10:28 - Slavery
14:04 - Reparations
19:09 - Institutional racism
26:22 - Lived experience
35:47 - Resentment
47:53 - Critical race theory
1:02:26 - Racism
1:21:24 - Stalin
1:25:58 - Churchill
1:32:01 - Marxism
1:48:40 - Madness of Crowds
1:57:13 - Ego
2:04:20 - Donald Trump
2:11:04 - America's future
2:18:31 - Advice for young people
2:27:15 - Love
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1:47 - Western civilization
10:28 - Slavery
14:04 - Reparations
19:09 - Institutional racism
26:22 - Lived experience
35:47 - Resentment
47:53 - Critical race theory
1:02:26 - Racism
1:21:24 - Stalin
1:25:58 - Churchill
1:32:01 - Marxism
1:48:40 - Madness of Crowds
1:57:13 - Ego
2:04:20 - Donald Trump
2:11:04 - America's future
2:18:31 - Advice for young people
2:27:15 - Love
Lex, please read up on the term ‘cultural marxism’ before using it. (Wikipedia has a nice article.)
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@@fluffyunicorn7155 he may have been using the term differently and you can argue he uses it incorrectly if that means so much to you but he does adress this potential source of confusion in the intro by defining what he means and is referring to when using those words. so we're all on the same page on this issue, the rest is semantics as murray points out, litterally the first sentense he sais is 'i don't get stuck on definitions'
Come join us on 4chan, Lex. :)
So, I'm a Marxist and Christopher Hitchens was too, and both of us have (or had in Hitch's case) Thomas Jefferson in high regard, despite his actions (or lack thereof) towards slavery. Of course we need to see historical characters in the context of there own times. By the by, both of us despise Stalin. I find Doug's argument a bit flawed. Maybe he only knows SJW's and thinks those are the marxists... that or Stalinists. Oh well.
I love the fact that Douglas will not under any circumstance stand down from answering as truthfully as possible. One really gets to known him here, if we care to listen. Maybe even credits to lex here for being cheeky at times to distill it even further for us ! Sorry for the abysmal language, I come from Germany
Don't worry it was written almost perfectly. Great comment too.
I'm still waiting for him to say something racist as many people say he is.
You write better than I do!
Klar magst du diesen Nazi, Kevin
No worries Kev your English surpasses that of many Brits including me
Lex it’s a year later please have Douglas back. IMHO there’s no better interviewer or interviewee
Seconded
Thirdeded@@skidcaesar
I'd be interested in his view after the 2024 US Presidential Election
This !!
I won't go that far, with the interviewer and interviewee, but Lex brings out a side of Murray that I've never seen done. It's fascinating to see a "relaxed" even comedic side of the Murray. Would also love to see LEX interview a few guests regularly. Murray and Rogan are at the top of my list.
The more I listen to ‘Douglas Murray’, the more books I add to my library… as he weaves references to them in the way they’ve informed his worldview.
This was my first introduction to Douglas. What a fine young brilliant man he is. Thanks Lex.
His books are worth reading. His oratory is even better.
He has some great podcasts with other individuals: Sam Harris was great Chris Williams was quite prepared
@@carycimino7699 How good is Chris!
He is a charlatan who avoids debating Norman Finkelstein after Doug the poof endorses ethnic cleansing in Gaza
Idk how old you are but Mr.Murray is 44 years old.
Not since the passing of Christopher Hitchens have I listened to such a fearless truth and sense talker as Douglas Murray. I find his relative youth comforting and hope he lives a long and healthy life as he massively needed.
I don't think it's truthful to claim that Darwin "clarified" anything, if Murray actually believes that he's just delusional.
Like the truth he talks about wiping Palestine off the map ?
He is the pure embodiment of evil and all the collective filth in this world.
An Aethiest who found god when he knew he was dying? Strange
@@skoomalegend1 That's crap. His son was by his side up until his last breath and totally denied this.
Wishful thinking by the religious zealots.
@@robbiet1969 I do wish that more people would put their faith in Jesus Christ before they die, it's not too late for you. John 3:16
Murray makes me proud to be British. A voice of reason in the west.
Murray is a cynical liar. He is exactly the kind of person that were he gone, the world would be a better place.
He's definitely good in the accent department. 😍
He makes me wish he was American. He’s slowly become one of my heroes.
You should be proud of him. Fantastic human.
@@chuglyc You want me to be proud of Murray? Really !? For what, exactly? The man is a defender of a corrupt establishment. Murray prosecutes the "culter wars" rubbish - it is total rubbish - there are no culture wars other than that which people like Murray conjure up from next to nothing. He does it to distract from real issues that impact the likes of me - namley the class war waged by the very rich against eveyone else.
So why, exactly, should I be proud of a low-life like him?
This guy is "on another level" ... Top notch podcast. No bullshit, no fear, searching for approval, just pure facts and truth.
Love listening to Douglas. Does his homework and does nit back down.
He literally did 0 homework on marxism
(27:05) "I have the right to talk about whatever the hell I want, and no one gonna stop me or intimidate me or tell me that I can't simply because of my skin color". Well, he hit the nail in the head. Bravo.
And leftiest have the right to talk about what they want. Something that murray says shouldn't be allowed.
Hypocrisy abounds.
@@jessepalmer1957 You obviously haven't listened to him.
"Hit the nail ON the head " c'mon man.
@@James-cs3rp meanwhile Murray tells leftists what they can and can't talk about. Hypocrite.
@@jessepalmer1957 Could you point me in the direction of content where Douglas Murray is advocating for stifling speech along partisan lines?
Lex managed to get more out of Douglas than I’ve seen from any other interviewer or podcaster. A joy to listen to. Respect to both gentlemen.
Eric Weinstein did a podcast with him which was utterly brilliant. However, you’ll have to search out the audio version; the video wasn’t ever released, unfortunately.
Ian Mid. Didn't you think Douglas was flirting a bit?
@@abexx8485 held back on what?
@@yvonnehayton6753 Your comment constitutes an example of micro-aggressive homophobia.
Vivi Cohen. My comment shows that I don't differentiate between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Both are capable of flirting with the sex they are attracted to. Neither homophobic nor a micro aggression (whatever that is). I would have expected better from someone called Vivi (or Cohen for that matter.)
Douglas Murray is the greatest social commentator of my lifetime. I wish we had his equal (or near equal) in the US.
What about Thomas Sowell? He’s amazing.
@@GavNic71he's old now but i like the phrase "there are no solutions, only trade offs" from him mainly because most of the time i'm questioning if the compromises made by "conservatives" were worth it and i don't see how it is looking at modern society
@@GavNic71 how about charlie kirk?
@@redvany I've only seen you tubes of him ripping woke loonies apart. He does seem sharp as a tack though! I'll try to find some good long form discussions.
I am an East Indian man who has "made it" in America. Doug Murray is proud of his roots as he should be. There is no denying the fact that the Europeans were the original discoverers and are responsible for creating the "western" way of life that I and other non white immigrants thrive in.
I do think you need to differentiate America from the rest of the 'western' world that Doug Murray talks about. Doug Murray talks about it in the podcast himself - America was created on the basic premise that 'All men are created equal'. I don't actually feel that in other countries (including a non white country like China) but I mostly do in America.
Doug will sell many books (as will other non white 'oppressed' classes who complain about their lack of opportunity due to their skin color) but I urge all listeners here to move the discourse to a higher level where America is the first color blind society.
To my fellow white Americans who are appalled and resentful towards the minorities who increasingly bring up the race card - the pendulum has swung a bit too far left but it is a pendulum after all - it will course correct and let's let this country be the one shining light on the hill where men of every color (including white) are increasingly looked at with a colorblind lens.
I hope and pray the political discourse in 2024 is about the values and principles that have made America this awesome heterogenous society I and other dozens of non white immigrants now call home. May God bless America in 2024.
You obviously don't know american history
I am glad you have joined us, welcome !
I have heard this same insight from many Europeans who are successful in America....thank you for this reminder. It is an enshrined value and something to be proud of.
"I drink vodka and I hang with the peasants." Lex's sense of humor really has come a long way.
A true testament to how far AI has come.
Firmware upgrade…
Machine Learning > Metas
Seems like something a self-attention transformer would say. Definitely new architecture.
Al unaffected by the vodka that culls many out...
Excellent and important conversation. And yes, we each have the right to "talk about whatever the hell we want to talk about".
100% agree. I believe its also our duty/responsibility to ensure we do not shy away from talking/discussing everything we feel we want/need to aswell especially on contentious or controversial issues. There is beauty in openly and honestly discussing your views on an issue in good faith and without intent to offend or cause negative impact but purely to seek better understanding. More often than not I find my views, knowledge and opinions are changed to some degree in a positive way and are truer than they were before!
@@danielpohl29 That's what the guy who stares at me through my window at night says.
You're godamn right! 😉. But no seriously, open discussion is the only way we get through the shit.
@@graemejack9040 I think you're right about that, but there are often some hurdles to get through. Speaking from my own perspective, it's been increasingly difficult to separate myself from a tribalistic instinct where some part of me wants to associate with one group or the other. For example, I've tended to find myself aligning more with conservative groups lately because they're more likely to oppose the parts of the far-left that I find objectionable, but I'm not fully sure I'd really align with what hardcore conservatives want, either.
Having rejected the far-left, it would be easy to find myself aligning more with the political right, and in fact, I have been doing so to a degree that I never have before recently. Part of this is because my rejection of the far-left has become an opportunity to listen to the conservative right in a way that I had never given such a fair consideration before. But now, as I listen to conservatives in a way I never have before, I have to be careful to give fair consideration to both sides while also keeping in mind what it is about both the far left and the far right that has repelled me in the first place. Determining exactly where those lines are, on both sides, has been an ongoing problem that I have yet to solve fully on a personal level beyond having decided upon where the right goes too far (as it regards naziism and similar extreme nationalist ideas) and where the left goes too far (regarding the pursuit of "equity" over equality, and other race and ethnicity-based pursuits).
We each have the right to talk about whatever the hell we want to talk about, except we're apparently not allowed to say "retard."
Murray is by far the intellectual I admire the most in the current landscape.
Couldn’t agree more. He really stands out amongst the crowd. He really inspires me.
Absolute gentlemen, both.
If only such video conversations were played and discussed as a basis for school education.
We ARE living at the end of a low, dishonest decade. The dishonesty of our institutions is ubiquitous.
Actually , deceit and dishonesty has, been going for,many millenia
@@Alan-jb9jv and we certainly aren't at the end
Aren’t we at the beginning of an even more dishonest decade? It’s 2022. We have another 8 dishonest years.
Unfortunately this is only the beginning. Gas prices will continue to rise. Baby formula will continue to be absent from shelves. Supply chain issues will not abate. Drag queen (pedo) story time will also continue. And last but not least the wide open border will become even more problematic as word continues to spread across all of South America that America no longer has a border.
There is just simply more info available to the masses.
What I loved most about this was watching two people whom I greatly admire betray their obvious friendship, admiration, love, and acceptance of one another, especially near the end.
Damn it, I enjoyed this whole interview so much. Thank you.
They seem to be flirting actually at least Douglas murray
@@littlewitch2175 Flirting? Wtf kind of mind do you got?
Douglas Murray has a lot of experience in life, I think. He seems to have a very strong feeling about living to a maximum. And he also gives me lots of interesting things to think about in my life. He is also fun listening to.
Great serious person. 😊
The snakes n ladders metaphor 🔥 The Jacko bomb.. "no one wanted to give up dancing to Bad at weddings" 😂 Brilliant!
And the "Genius Opt-out"
Douglas Murray you Sir are a Genius level observationalist and you're fastly approaching my favourite critical thinkers and speakers. The true Poet. 💯🔥👏🏻
I know I'm a little late to the conversation here, but as someone who was in a PhD program headed toward a CRT-type dissertation--and so gratefully thankful that that path didn't pan out--I can say with total truth that Murray is absolutely right about academic "activists" who push these ideologies out into society mostly for the benefit of furthering their branding within a career--tenure, book deals, speaking tours, pensions, and paying off sh!tloads of the student-loan debt they undertook to do this. Not to mention a practically self-serving idea of "changing things for the better"--well intended as they may think they're being--but it's mostly for the betterment of themselves. Genuine thirst for knowledge and truth--even when it's inconvenient--go out the window in favor of, perhaps not ill-intended, but nonetheless practical selfishness and positioning of themselves as "better" or "smarter" than "the masses." That ivory-tower thing is very real.
Yes. Using a really expensive novelty and useless time at a prestigious school to fix a problem that doesnt exist on everyone for your own personal gain because you simply think that your superior than everyone else.
Would almost match what the ideal of a racist or bigot is. Just with extra steps and will be known as the racist college kid that made a problem where there wasnt one because they could.
It does seem like just about every societal problem can be explained with the phrase "Follow the money"
@@jordesignIndeed, money is power. And from that we can deduce that those who dominate the West are antiwhite.
this, and the academic battle for funding, has led directly to the demise of honest-to-goodness intellectual pursuits
Sorry to hear you flunked out but yeah dude LOL it's 100% all the woke lib professors fault when society asks you not to be a dik to trans people u rocket scientist
I just discovered this podcast. I am a long-time fan of Douglas Murray. This might be his best interview ever. Lex did a wonderful job of bringing out the best of Douglas. Their wry sense of humor created some wonderful spontaneous moments.
I've been listening to lex for the last year, my first time hearing of DM and he's great. Lex is a great interviewer imo. He's so calm and doesn't interrupt, very good at playing devils advocate even when he agrees with whoever he interviews.
Very true, I feel I have to reassess Lex as an interviewer, I didn't rate him highly during few podcasts I'd listened to, but he brought out a completely different side to Murray and drew him on subjects I'd never heard him talk about before.
It was the best ever.
i love someone who isn't scared to talk facts and not lie to protect someone's feelings.
Lex is insufferable.
I've probably watched this video all the way through 30 times myself, never get tired of hearing Douglas Murray speak the truth about anything and everything.
Douglas is a global treasure. It takes a strong mind to speak it and not be dissuaded by uneducated trolls
I just discovered this channel and it's very different watching than just listening. There is a lot of dry humor that I missed. Facial cues are important. Very enjoyable conversation.
it certainly is with Murray, whom I just discovered through this interview!
@alvareo92 He is absolutely brilliant. Check out his books where he has time to focus his intellect in long form. He's one of the most rational and penetrating thinkers of our time, on the same rung as Jordan Peterson.
@@WhizzingFish12 Should be noted that JP did an interview with Murray as well.
@@alvareo92 37:02 laughed out aloud the this one +15s.
Good to just listen, too... while completing other tasks
It's impressive how well spoken he is and how he can see a useless argument and explain why there is no good in going down that path.
It is. I notice broken and paradoxical thinking in the people around me all the time but I rarely have the drive to speak on it. If for no other reason than my own lack or charisma.
@@benjammin9745its because they won’t stfu long enough to listen, just wait for their turn to talk/interrupt you or they think one gotcha moment derails everything you stand for.
And this is why the left hates him
The better skill now days is knowing which argument is worth debating since 90% of them are complete BS.
Before enslaving Blake Africans, Americans enslaved white Irish too. Therefore, this argument that White people didn’t consider blacks as their brothers and were willing to enslave them.
Just finished The strange death of Europe and War on the West. Mr Murray is brilliant. These books are a must read.
What an incredible intellectually stimulating and entertaining discussion. An epic set of concepts to think about and get one's mind jogging. High quality podcast and wonderfully pragmatic, logical and wide-reaching philosophies almost touching the length of breath of the condition of our civilisation.
I love that you always ask your guests I'd they have any advice for young people. I just turned 31 so I'm not a youngin anymore, but even then I find myself keying in to listen very closely, and I wish so bad I could have had this podcast when I was a teenager. My mind was so unoriented and I was so sure of myself while also being so utterly confused. This podcast would have been a great help.
Trust me, you’re still very much a yougin.
You tube is the education I wish I had, I can search for the best information and have someone I like explain to me. I had no idea how complex everything is.. but I can find out. What a time to be alive
I am 63 in June, in June 1991 I most certainly felt young in my early to mid 30's were my best times, better than my teens or 20's.
Me too
"...mind so unoriented...so sure of myself...so utterly confused". Damn, that's a so much better way, to now describe Myself, as I was as a teenger, than anything I ever came up with
I am still incredibly grateful to find these individuals and the conversations that are available for me to eavesdrop on. People so incredibly different from myself and nearly everyone else in my life, but who seem to connect with me on a deeper level of thought, contemplation and challenging ones own honest authenticity. Thankyou.
Well said Brent, and I can only echo those sentinents. It helps me maibtain resolve, to listen to logic be articulated as decisively as is the case here. Surely decisive, surely, perhaps.
@Lill Frigg says the person uploading videos about "freedom convoy coming to Europe" and teary videos about lost white privilege which "they" stole from you - so.. save your crocodile tears about importance of civil conversation etc. - white supremacist like you have to live with the fact that their world view is not the most popular one, deal with it!
Idk, this Douglas guy seems a little racist to me. Not surprised Lex would have him on his show...
@@jdavis8970 Oh STOP it!
thats what ITS ALL ABOUT BABY
expanding your consciousness at a commensurate rate of the elite expanding their power is the ONLY thing gonna save us from a permanent nightmare of Class-ism you've only see depicted in Sci Fi
Douglas Murray - a breath of fresh air amongst the thick smog that is society these days.
I watched all of this. Douglas Murray is so self assured and rightly so. He gives almost anyone and everyone a chance to debate him and he is such a gentleman.... But I do love watching debates where he goes "beast mode".... He always wins, without trying, because the truth doesn't lose.
“The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' - this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.” - Huxley
That is neat, a great insight on Huxleys part.
Huxley was so much closer than Orwell.
Btw if you want an interesting tidbit read about huxley’s death.
Fabulous quote. However, I'm not sure Huxley would ever spell favour without a u.
This comment.
Easily the best interview with Douglas Murray that I have seen. Many others just seem to ask him the same scripted questions. Lex asks some unique ones.
Look up the Bret Weinstein interview... and Jordan Peterson interview, on his show... bot are on par with this
@@Crusde I don't have to have the same opinions as you
I think my favorite thing about Douglas Murray is his ability to effortlessly position himself between both sides of an argument, which is where the truth usually lies.
Shows how important long format interviews are, in an age of decreasing attention spans.
I sure do like and appreciate Douglas Murrays’ thoughts and ideas and his common sense outlook and approach to things. He doesn’t speak in riddles or rhymes or strive to make the listener think he’s smart. He seems very comfortable in his own skin, which is rare these days. Great interview.
I am probably the polar opposite to Murray in terms of his social conservatism, but I love listening to him speak. He makes me challenge my priors and I think keeps me thinking about these issues from both sides of view.
@@limbothytimothy I sure do understand that. I wish we had more people like Douglas on BOTH sides. Maybe then, if people would listen, then we might all be at each others throats all the time and take more time to listen and converse with each other. Talking and arguing aren’t the same thing.
Please don't appreciate Murray too much. He is an elitist, status quo apologist. If you want or need reasons to feel good about the West, there are many more logical - and less sold-out - people out there.
I’ve known about Lex for a while but have never listened to a full interview. The guests that he has on combined with his interview style is incredible. I wish you the best of success Lex and I commend you for your relentless pursuit of truth. The truth will set you free. Much love to anyone watching and listening to this with an open mind.
Lex - you ought to have, in the description perhaps, a bibliography/reading list, of all the authors and books, poems, etc, from each interview. It would be a fantastic prompt for viewers to refer (quickly and efficiently) to, to follow up, and expand upon the discussions you have.
Just a thought
I was a freshman at UCLA in 1967. This is when courses like Black studies got their start. However I majored in chemistry so it had no affect on me.
Probably the thing I love most about Douglas is his ability to always come up with a new and insightful take on a subject, no matter how many times he has discussed that subject previously.
Yes. His ability to frame things is exceptional. He gives his brain a very good work out in his ability to think deeply on subjects.
People need to stop referring to black women as Marxists. They don't know who that is. You have to refer back to African ideology
A great intellectual chemistry between you two. I'd like to see another conversation between Lex and Douglas.
😊
Definitely need a Part 2.
THIS WAS MANLY HOMOEROTIC
;)
Nah it was complete shit
My grandparents were sharecroppers in very rural Missouri and I can recall my Grandmother describing only having biscuits with water gravy to feed her children and she didn't eat because there was not enough to go around. In what calculus would I owe reparations to any modern-day group of people? Clearly, my family history had zero participation in any gains from association with the corrupt horrors of slavery.
Did Douglas just make a Fiddler on the Roof reference to American politics. I love it.
I think it's great Mr. Freedman has so many subscribers, because alot of his conversations are not basic, entry level stuff. They are quite deep. This podcast doesn't rely on any gimmicks or flash. It's just the quality of the conversation standing alone. The fact that so many people are interested in listening to ACTUAL conversations about real and serious problems gives me hope. He is also able to have conversations with a higher caliber guest due to his large audience as well. Win win.
He consistently tries to make light his own biases and attempts to frame anything that may be biased in that fashion. I love it. Whenever I read a news article, I always bias check the stated organization. It's laborious but crucial to have any true understanding on most issues.
@@benjammin9745 unfortunately you are definitely correct on this front. I wish we lived in a time where you could take what was being said at it's word, sadly we do not.
@@brianclingenpeel5123 I think it's called journalistic integrity. RIP journalistic integrity. Even though I may never have met you I sure do miss you.
@@benjammin9745 I would say its probably worse than described. Journalistic integrity is a professional standard, which most journalists fail completely to match, and are in fact encouraged to fail. Pairing this with the typical uncritical acceptance of tribal thought reinforcement we get the furtherance of social decay.
While I appreciate and respect Lex's impartiality and openness, I cannot help but to feel it contributes to a false equivalency between opinions offered by guests. While all voices should be heard, it is not correct for them to be weighed equally. Some people are wrong, most people are not entirely correct.
@@benjammin9745 because youtube is broken I cannot read your whole comment
Douglas at the 40 min mark you were talking about my Aunt who just passed last week. She died with virtually nothing from a "stuff" standpoint. But the lives that she touched viewed in literal term by the diversity of race, religion, and viewpoint that came to cry with us as she lay in her last days is bringing tears to my eyes all over asi write this. She had virtually nothing to give monetarily in her life but what she did give so much more than any green piece of paper ever could. You gave it freely to any and all with love. Thank you Lex and thank you Douglas. You both give me an endless supply of Hope for this world as did my aunt.
It seems your aunt was great person
My nana was like that. I spent many summers staying with her and loved the free things in life hime grown fruit and veg. Daisy chains and much more. 💜
@@WhatstheteawithTrishaG Life's not all about having the latest iPhone so that you can whine about how you're persecuted, is it.
She was a special lady. Thank you for the comments and I'm glad it brought some positive personal memories.
@@danpearce4547 exactly
27:30 spot on. Claiming you have no right to speak on a topic is just another way of telling someone to shut up. At that point the person trying to silence has lost the argument by default.
To me personally, the more frightening aspect is when debating the very few who'll sit down and debate the topics in this video is how fast they are when backed into a logic corner or faced with facts and figures to immediately resort to "Its a lie". The data "is a lie". Russian authors writing about how bad it all was "is a lie". Picking and choosing what they believe.
This man is the reason I'm proud to be British in a falling society!
Fallen. Long fallen friend. Veterans on the street whilst terrorists are housed in hotels. Long gone. 1997.
@@martinsmith6049😂 cope
I had an Irishman asking to start work on Monday... because of your comment I've stood him down for a Romanian. Makes no difference to me who does the job. Haha!@@colmivers
@@martinsmith6049 I mean the solution to the problems in the country is inviting in thousands of uneducated people who often refuse to integrate, share an entirely different value system and stick entirely to their enclaves. /sarcasm
What could go wrong?
@@colmiversCope with what?
Douglas Murray is the only guy I ever followed who has something new and fresh to say in every single interview that I've watched. A great writer, and I love his sense of humor. I always buy his books in audio form and I listen to it while I walk my dog. I love it!
I wonder if your dog can tell which book you are listening to , or that you are listening to 'him' rather than another.
@@richardearnshaw2719 hahaha. Probably not, since it's on my headphones :D and she is super busy with sniff sniff
I know, I love the chap. It's embarrassing really because I have never disagreed with anything he says which is not the case with other thinkers I really admire (Mark Steyn is the only other).
@@b.alexanderjohnstone9774 yes! Steyn is quality also. Why are these people so few and far between? Is it cowardice?Absolute treasures.
There are plenty of other things worth listening to 😂
Always fascinated by any conversation with Douglas Murray.
Douglas raised the question why is it that explorers in the ancient world were mostly from the west, and not from eastern powers. He attributed this one sided affair to something inherent in the collective psychology of each of those groups. But as always the reason is geo-political and economical factors. Europe was a predominantly sea fairing group with strong ship building culture. In contrast, India for instance was very much a land based culture which had enough internal strife between regional kingdoms and invasions from what is today Pakistan/Afghanistan that very little driver existed for ship building. We know the rest of this history of course with expansions of the various European supply chain companies (most notably the East India Company). Back to the modern era, because the industrial revolution happen to organically occur in Britain (driven by the protestant reformation and invention of financial instruments) while the Indian kings were busy fighting amongst themselves, the west is richer than the east. Peoples of low or for that matter middle income nations don't get to be explorers. This has nothing to do with the inherent lack or presence of the desire to explore. Additionally, the US has through its export of popular culture and perhaps misguided liberal ideology marketed the idea of it being this melting pot of the world, land of opportunity and nation of immigrants, without having the proper entry pathways for needed skilled workforce in its immigration policy. A workforce which by the way it needs to sustain economic dynamism and vitality. Instead, it releases thousands of unskilled perhaps even illiterate peoples who cross the border in its liberal northeastern cities. Then there are the border smugglers who rake in millions of dollars from naive people who have been suckered into the USA brand marketing and pay these smugglers their life saving to be crossed over. Then there are people who are fleeing conflict and inarable lands of a warming world. Peoples have always explored and migrated to new locations for one reason or the other and have explored new cultures, adapted and integrated or decimated. Sapiens left African savannah, the Proto-Indo-Europeans expanded into Europe and Asia, the Europeans and much later in a much smaller scale other nationalities into the fertile lands of North America. So to state that the need to explore is a natural quality limited to European culture does a disservice to our collective human history.
I’m a huge fan of Douglas Murray - he’s one of very few willing to speak out about these issues . Oh and the idea that only people of certain races or groups can speak on certain issues is idiotic .
Yeah, I am yet to listen to someone who gets it better than he does.
I did not wholly agree with him but, I like that he is able to say what he believes openly and boldly. He is honest and I defend free speech, I defend his free speech even though I do not agree with all he says.
We definitely need him
A great Author, who is a word class communicator, Harvard educated, Dr. of Philosophy, worked for the Labor Department and later Stanford, now retired. He wrote a thought provoking book, containing over 300 references. Its absolutely fresh material and a mind expanding read. Jarring Title:
"Black Rednecks, White Liberals" - by Dr. Thomas Sowell.
@@Beristw he’s correct 99% on these subjects that’s for sure
Not only can I relate deeply with the content of Douglas' book as a resident of the UK but God, I could listen to that man talk about anything ad infinitum. He has such a timbre and eloquence to his voice that when paired with that razor sharp wit, is nothing short of a balm for the ears.
Thanks for providing us with this awesome conversation with Douglass Murray.
Brings up a great point about slavery….every race was a slave at one point. Natives owned slaves. Blacks sold slaves, and slaves still exist to this day…..no body owes you anything. Be a good human and contribute to your community be a part or your family. ❤
Douglas is amazing. I could listen to him for hours. He so casually flows between history, philosophy, and searing critiques, all in an endless tango with sophisticated humor and wit.
And will also be blunt and brash when the situation calls for it. His “fuck that” reply was brilliant.
You're kidding? There's nothing special about him. He's pretty mainstream and boring.
@@this-is-bioman keep huffing that copium. ❤️🫂🙏🏽
@@BigDaddyDru IKR?
@@this-is-bioman mainstream?
Probably the best of your conversations Lex, absolutely loved this. The cheeky humour threading through alongside an almost sibling like rivary and one upsmanship. All with great reverence and respect for each other. Please have Douglas Murray back on
Actually we call that passive aggressiveness. Lex is out of his league.
@CRS1952 you're not good enough at being passively aggressive to attempt to use it in this arena lol
Helen, men or women of this level of skill do not engage in hopelessly petty thinking.
The entire dilemma of Black experience, racism, slavery etc... is just a crutch and a pure example of victim , identity politics that is pointless and useless. ALL people have grievances from the past and the idea that they can be remedied or "solved" in the present is ridiculous.
This type of podcast is what I was hoping 24 hour news was going to do. Get in depth in the topics. Thanks!
Fantastic idea!
The Lex News Network?
Turns out 24h news is just there to keep you endlessly distracted with shallow "content".
We all hoped that, but human nature takes over
But instead all 24 hour news did was cycle through the same inane stories on a 30 minute loop with a lack of any real depth or complexity.
When the constraints on time we’re apparently lifted when we went from two 30 minute slots per evening to a full 24/7, the editorial decision to keep each item to between 2 and 7 minutes remained unchanged.
Superb interview. I came for the issues, I stayed for the humour. I learned a lot, albeit that needs not be said. Thank you, Lex Fridman and Douglas Murray.
Douglas would easily be a great stand-up comedian!
“If you want to be a writer you have to be a reader” -DM
Douglas you are an example to me , regarding logic: Thank you for teaching me how to think critically
Douglas's honesty is greatly appreciated, it's Amazing to listen to two brilliant chaps, one never gets tired hearing a genuine heart to heart intelligent discussion.👌❤
I often use Lex’s interviews to fall asleep but the more I do this the more discover the treasures in his discussions. Stay real Lex! I’m proud of you.
Proud of him? What are you his daddy?
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No one wants to picture you in bed asleep
The more I use his interviews to fall asleep, the more I succumb to the subject and formulate arguments for or against. Now I can’t reach REM sleep. Thanks Lex. Grrrr.
Me too
I love Douglas. He's brilliant. I've agreed with literally everything he's said in this video. That's a rare event.
This was excellent! @lexfridman, you need to get Douglas Murray on again.
always admire Douglas Murray's clarity & courage to express his view directly
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@@JonathanRootD if you can hear the whistle, you're the dog
@@JonathanRootD 😢😂👀
Two of the most complimentary words
@@stephenbrody2717 Wow, that's trenchant.
I am so addicted to these pod casts from Lex. It's become a routine. KEEP THEM COMING LEX! Great content.
Me too… I forgot TV NETFLIX etc. I just open UA-cam . It’s a habit now
I’m pretty sure we’re getting close to Versailles and a let them eat the cake moment here in the US.
Fantastic interview! listened at work and it made my day fly by.
FIrst, thank you Lex and Douglas, we really appreciate your time and the discussion.
As a funny-ish aside, I look at the duration of these shows and think to myself, "I love these deep discussions they are always so engaging and yet I don't have the time to invest in this right now at this moment." Then, two hours and thirty-eight minutes later my mind laughingly offers up a single-word retort, "Quite."
Deep gratitude to you Lex for being a voice in the wilderness of modern life. Please keep up the good work sir.
I hear that !! I enjoy lex and his choice of hosts but I just don't have the time. I pick and choose and always get what I can afford out of every listen. Bravo !
It gets harder and harder to find someone to have an intellectual convo with. I appreciate these videos. It's more more enjoyable for me to have face to face discussions like this. Wether we agree or not it can still be a meaningful convo 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
It's like we are splitting as a human species. Some are evolving some are stuck or devolving. But it's clearly two different ways of thinking.
Nothing has really changed in regard to the moral acceptability of slavery, in principle.
Most people today who are engaged in a show of wincing at the idea of slavery are not really opposed to slavery in principle. What they find abhorrent are only certain instances of slavery, at a certain time, and by people of a certain race. They actually have little problem with slavery in most other forms & instances, especially modern government administrated forms that are closer to the actual definition of slavery.
If we use Abe Lincoln's definition: "you work, I eat" then even the chattel slavery of the 1860 South did not quite meet the definition, since slaves had to be fed, given medical care, a roof over their heads - basic survival. They got SOMETHING for their labor, while the wage earning taxpayer of today gets precisely nothing for their mandatory service to welfare recipients, which by definition & principle is a form slavery. You may be saying "well that is nothing like slavery in 19th century America...."
Of course it isn't, which is why I brought up the actual definition of slavery, and the fact that most people today are not really opposed to it.
They're opposed to black people being owned by white people, and by extension, the idea that the founders of their society were misguided in everything. And they're strangely not bothered that history also includes black people owning other black people, as well as owning white people. However, none of these other instances of slavery seem anywhere near as repugnant to them.
Why?
Because, like all modern dog whistle words it's not about slavery at all. As with all Left wing logic, the issue is never the issue.
It's about being part of a peer group that shares a comfortable sense of faux grievance and pity that demonstrates to each other that they have a keen group moral sense, and are entitled to a position of moral authority, and superiority to previous generations, many of whose other moors they have rejected because they lack the self-discipline required.
So they compensate by claiming those who taught such morals were morally deficient anyway, therefore the sexual morals they promoted must be unenlightened as well.
The fact that the 'slavery' hating masses of young people today want a UBI [Universal Basic Income], which is a form of institutional slavery, tells you everything about their real feelings on the subject.
They don't hate slavery at all. In fact they want a much more universally administered and entrenched form of it, permanently. They couldn't care less about principles - and just like the people they so love to condemn, they only care about outcomes.
That's all the old slave owners cared about, and that's all the modern socialism-loving entitled person today cares about. "Give me a living for free". At someone else's expense, of course.
How is that different from the philosophy of a slave owner?
No way is slavery unpopular today. It's more popular than ever. It just needs to serve the right crowd - that's the only important thing about it. As long as it serves the young socialist of today, it's all good.
@@Jebsauce Yup, I went through the same transformation, I guess I'm trans-left now. Then again, it's not that I have changed, but rather society did.
@@Jebsauce Man, that was giant leap.
@@jameseverett4976 - I despise gender politics and wokeism. However, I would support Universal Basic Income. The word "Universal" being key - or at least living in the country administering the basic income, and criminals in prison should not receive it.. However, it would better not to have it at all, if the alternative was that any other conditional terms are placed upon people receiving the income. No way should it be used to encourage people to be a "good citizen". The precise benefit of it would be it should add to people's freedom,(whether that be a millionaire or a homeless person), and not to decrease it. More and more as I get older, I am less concerned in left or right politics, yet more concerned with libertarian versus communitarian. And I am firmly on the side of libertarian. Government mandated covid nonsense has clinched these beliefs for me.
Hi Lex - You flashed up the wrong Neil Ferguson when Douglas mentioned him at 50:22 - that guy is called Neil Ferguson but he's an NHS wonk in the UK. The man Douglas was referring to is Niall Ferguson, a historian and the husband of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Absolutely brilliant! Honest questions & answers from both
The banter between these two is so fun and a joy to watch.
I’m so proud of Doug, the dude’s delivery gets a tiny bit more and more like Hitchens over time, progress not perfection Professor Murray!!
I was thinking the same thing!
they were drinking mates, although Douglas was a complete amateur compared to Christopher.
@@jamiekelly7280 Douglas no doubt looked up to hitch for his oratory skills, wit and humor.
He's posh, that's about the only similarity. I suppose being a southern English person myself, I'm not fooled by how he speaks. He's really quite average imho. I think he hoodwinks a lot of Americans though.
Really hope that you are joking. His analysis of reparations in U.S. is so out of touch. He obviously believes racism ended in 1860 !
Douglas Murray is a wonderful human being. The temptation to feel more intelligent after listening to him is countered by being humble in my ability to understand him.
When Douglas talked about going on the celebrity alumni game show and watching old episodes of it…omg I got a mental image of him in his pajamas with a glass of scotch and a notebook “preparing” as best he could. F****n ADORABLE, mate!
I'd never heard about Douglas. Solid guest. Loved the depth of this discussion. A lot of substance to think through.
I'm fans of both of them and have listened to many hours of each.
I'm not sure I've ever heard either of them have so much fun on a podcast!
Great mix of interesting talk/analysis and silly jokes . . . . what could be better!
one of the best Lex has done. I also found out a lot more about Douglas
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Very true!
1st video. So he prefaced his views on Marxism. Ok.
Sexual sparks evident. We know about Murray's interests, but what about Lex?
1:53:53 nothing wrong with knowing where we fall short. it becomes wrong when we dwell on it and not do anything about it if there is something we can do about it. if none, take it as part of life and move on.
This interview was incredible and Douglas Murray has blown my mind with his intelligence, wit and demeanor.
This is one of Murray's best interviews
He's wrong about Michael Jackson though. I'm not a fan of the guy, the only thing from him I enjoy are The Jackson 5 songs but if you look deeply at the allegations you'll realize they're all bogus. MJ was most likely innocent and he himself was a victim of mainstream media, Sony and jealous psychopaths. I recommend watching videos about it on YT. Leaving Neverland was thoroughly debunked.
I'm sorry it took me a year to find this...that said, it's amazing how well this conversation has aged! Keep talking! Keep speaking out! Keep fighting for reality!
This is the fourth time I've watched this interview - Lex, can we have another interview with Douglas Murray?
Friendly post; I would like to be a apprentice of Lex, are there any options for doing so? Thankyou I wanted to keep this brief because I know Lex's time is limited but I am curious if there are any options available in the cyberspace.
The look on Lex's face when Douglas said that Kipling's ''If'' poem was slightly nauseating was priceless! I know that it's one of his favourites.
Lex has mentioned in an earlier podcast that the second thing he does after he wakes in the morning is to think about all the things he is grateful for. I think his success is built on that.
Sounds like prayer to me
@@blanctonia It's a practice commonly used in stoicism
@@kempakarlsson and Buddhism. I’m neither, strictly speaking, but gratitude is something I practice even on a bad day. I have very few of those.
@@blanctonia meditation is not unlike prayer except usually no deity invoked.
@@stanh24You nailed it; the grateful thoughts go to the world and other people rather than an all powerful fate determiner
Thank you for answering the personal questions Douglas. For those with the secret, or who once had it, it’s quite special to hear you speak about that topic. Amazing interview
Замечательное интервью! Каждый раз, когда чувствую упадок сил, включаю какое-нибудь интервью с мистером Марреем, и сразу настроение повышается :) Большое спасибо!
It just hit me Douglas Murray has many of the same mannerisms as William Buckley ! My new hero! There’s something fantastic about a superior person who is not ashamed of his vast intellect. It humbles the rest of us while simultaneously filling us with admiration and pride of the human race..
Murray has very few of Buckley’s affectations. Fortunately.
Douglas Murray is much more likable, and William Buckley had very strange, but charming and scary mannerisms, not at all the same. Most people would be frightened to have an impromptu conversation with Buckley, no one would feel frightened of Murray in spite of his enormous intellect. I have seen Buckley absolutely destroy people in a debate, often using unethical methods in my opinion.
I love what Lex has been doing recently: try his best to present different sides of an idea / thought / argument fully. Reminds me of Dostoyevsky's books!
Shuddup gewek
true democracy, yin yang, t-lex the man lol.
I agree. This is what makes a great conversation, as opposed to attempting to reinforce our own beliefs.
He's working for the KGB or whatever it is now (FSB?). He's a Russian plant whose job it is to sow discord in our society
@@TimeStampCopv4they don't need to plant agents in our society, elements of our society will gladly do their bidding without even knowing it. Its a neo Marxist insurgency gathering strength before your eyes, Russia's been at it since the 50's. ww2 didnt end it just changed
Can I ask, as I've had to rewind a couple times to figure out if I sensed some tension, and if so what caused it on the starlin to Churchill section, I felt that something annoyed you, if so what was it, just curious?
Excellent interview. Mr. Murray has never been this interesting to me. The relationship between interviewer and interviewee brings out the best in both. Two witty minds playing off each other. Excellent!
This could've and should've lasted another 2 hours! A further delve into his current book, a bit more on Madness of Crowds and a lot more on Strange Death of Europe. Also, his takes and parallels on modern day politics with Historical lessons!
A part 2 is in order.
Brilliant episode 👏🏾
Amen, Starks!
The end came too soon.. they had much more to share, create & discuss…
The discussion on resentment is worthy of deep consideration all by itself. Thank you!
Yes, the resentment part is amazing. 33:05 Nietzsche : the ripping apart of healed wounds to facilitate self-pity, profound.
Love this guy and his no nonsense style of truth telling.
47:13
“I stir my whiskey with a nail.”