Wait a second... if fainted Pokemon can't be caught because they have no HP, and therefore, have no digital signature, then what about Pokemon you've already caught that faint? They go right back into their Pokeballs...
Good question. You could say that the Pokemon you already caught are only registered in their own Pokeball by default, and that makes them able to return back inside. That’s the same reason why you can’t catch other trainer’s Pokemon. They only belong to one specific Pokeball. This is my just my opinion 👍🏻
The way i always looked at it, you cant capture a fainted pokemon because it isnt awake and cant willingly submit... The pokeball is an inventation of submission, not a forced capture.. its why pokemon can break out of the pokeball at will. In order to capture a pokemon, it must decide that you defeated if, and its willing to submit to your training in order to become stronger. If itd fainted, it cant make the choice to submit... it has nothing to do with digital signatures... Or atleast thats how i believe it works... thats my theory on it.
finalfrontier001 there are several cases of pokemon learning to speak perfectly in the human language, as well as references that state that some pokemon were at one point human... pokemon are not animals, they are monsters.. besides that, even a dog can willingly submit to someone's rule.. so animals can submit, and make a willing choice to follow someone.. so my theory isn't flawed no matter how you view pokemon..
***** i havent watched too much of the anime, so i could be wrong.. but isnt that only happens in the video games to make the task of capturing them more daunting.. i dont remember it happening in the anime like that.. but if you were to take that "RNG" into count in the theory, maybe the pokemon is undecided on whether it wishes to be captured or not, and repeated attempts make it decide to give in and accept the offer? i mean, its clear that pokemon are capable of intelligent thought so maybe some just need time to consider the option.. that'd be my best guess to make it work in my theory.
***** i do know that in the anime a lot of times ash will help a pokemon out, offer to let it join his team.. it'll accept and he'll throw a pokeball at it and it always captured, further supporting my theory of it being the "pokemon's willingness to be captured" preventing it from being captured while fainted.. *shrugs*
My theory behind this has always been that Pokéball capture requires consent. The battle is to gain the respect of the Pokémon, which then consents to be captured and become the trainer's partner. If the Pokémon has fainted, consent cannot be given.
Lil Layne Master ball is special and specifically designed to force any Pokémon to submit, but it still requires a conscious Pokémon to manipulate. (Just my theory)
***** Given that sleeping Pokémon are still capable of performing attacks (e.g., Sleep Talk, Snore, etc.) that are commanded by their trainer while sleeping, there must be some level of consciousness a Pokémon has during sleep and thus some level of awareness for consent.
Something I didn't see you mention was actually one of the most obvious things. Jessie from Team Rocket literally captured a fainted Pokemon. In the Hoenn advanced generation series, episode eight, a tail with a twist, Jessie gets her hair cut off (and it magically regenerates later) by a wild seviper, and then she beats the crap out of the Seviper, only to have James and Meowth (who were terrified the whole time) tell her to catch it, and she catches it, while it is fainted. With this, I'd say that in the games you CHOOSE not to catch fainted Pokemon, because you have a heart.
***** learn to actually make your argument make sense. Based on your structure you are claiming "I have only seen characters catch fainted pokemon" which is wrong. If this is not what you meant, then actually make your sentence clear instead of using double negatives.
+InfernosReaper I think that if there has to be an explanation that makes sense with the pokemon lore and not the game mechanics, I think that pokemon that are battled will not be captured if they are very determined to not get captured, but when weakened they may lose their will to resist. Naturally legendaries would have greater willpower.
I was thinking back to the first episode in the anime where they mention that wild pokemon tend to get jealous. I do see the flaws in my theory though.
But PROTO -why fainted pokemon can return to there pokeball if they dont have digital signal? -why ash throw the pokeball on pikachu to return insteam to beam it? -why i cant capture an allready captured pokemon
VENOM For number 2; Because he is an idiot? I mean he just started when he tried to do so, he may not have known how to use a pokeball properly by then.
I wrote a Pokemon fanfiction a long time ago, and in my fanfiction I explained that a Pokeball actually compressed a Pokemon's molecules(explaining why you can fit a gyarados into a ball the size of your fist) and put them in stasis. However, they needed to scan the pokemon's DNA and energy signature in order to compress them properly. But if a Pokemon was completely out of energy and had no energy signature, the scan would malfunction, and the Pokemon would either be rejected or sometimes destroyed, making an attempt to capture a fainted Pokemon pointless at best and life-threatening at worst. (Returning a fainted Pokemon to it's ball was perfectly safe however, as the ball already had the Pokemon's DNA and energy signatures.) Although let's just face it: the people who designed the games just designed the game mechanic that way so that capturing Pokemon wasn't too easy; they didn't spend 1.5 seconds thinking about the logic behind it.
+Jace Roberts My fanfiction also described that the reason Pokemon broke out was that they used some of their remaining energy to short out the electronics in the Pokeball and destroy it to make their escape, which was why the more energy they had left the easier they escaped. Higher levels balls were just made with more expensive parts and design, and could scan faster as well as having more heavily guarded circuitry. But that's kind of off the subject. Please forgive my nostalgic rambling.
+Jace Roberts even if it already had the signature registered it would still need an exact signature to compare to in order to be assured the pokemon returned was the same one previously housed. Additionally if a pokemon evolves it's signature would change meaning the same ball would not be able to continue housing it.
Nick momo I know, I wrote it a long time ago. If I recall correctly I wrote in that evolution was certain dormant genes being activated and some of them mutating, but the DNA from the previous evolution was still in there, only it was dormant now so the Pokeball could still recognize their energy signature. Basically it meant that a Magikarp had all the DNA for a Gyarados, but they were dormant, and when it evolved all that happened was it switched which sets of DNA was dormant and which was active and the Pokeball could still read it. Poor explanation, I know, but hey. I was like 16 and trying to come up with a scientific explanation for something that had none.
Nick momo Oh and as far as returning a Pokemon, when the Pokeball records the energy signature upon capture, it saves the data so it can correctly return and store the same Pokemon again. Which is why you can't use a Pokeball on two different Pokemon, because it already wrote the data from the first Pokemon onto it's miniature hard drive.
just one hole left. When playing the game and trying to catch a pokemon belonging to another trainer it appears possible to catch though is always prevented by the trainer themselves physically blocking the pokeball from touching the pokemon. If a pokeball specifically registers a pokemon then this means all pokemon ever being caught have to enter a gigantic database which catalogs them and blocking the pokemon from another trainers ball would be redundant...
That's not it. Minus the masterball's forced will, the pokeball will not catch the target if the target does not see the trainer as worthy. Basically, it has to accept that the trainer is worthy in order to let itself be captured. This is why legendaries have a super low catch rate, because they are well above the trainer, and the trainer has to prove itself. This is also way it doesn't work on fainted, as the pokemon cannot state that it chose the trainer if it's knocked out. The Masterball is the only ball that bypasses this ruling, and is considered forcing the pokemon to your will.
That sounds more plausible. and that got me into thinking... why don't game freak made the Pokemon who was caught by masterball to not obey the trainer, unless a requirement has been met, like defeating the champion. that will make the game more logical to support the theory
i think this was best explained by my brother when i was like 8. it's unconscious, a body no brain. the being of worth thing kinda makes sense but only in the games with strict rules. in the show/manga anything goes because the characters are less two dimensional. consider this, in the show a pokemon can learn more than 4 moves. so while yes there is some ground for a theory here unless game freak or Nintendo says something it will remain speculation.
BlazerT48 Nothing said all of pokemon was innocent. Masterball can be equal to forcing it against it's will, so you're kind of a douche to any pokemon you throw it at. Better treat it well.
while that is true and that does come up in the first movie. if a pokemon refuses it refuses except in this one instance. and even that is more due to mewtwo himself than anything. buuut then again i could be entirely wrong i haven't sen that movie in years
There is, not enough badges will restrict this. level 100 arcius? Only got 2 badges? (you hacked the game to cheat spawn him in) He will refuse to obey.
Then why is it when a Pokemon faints it returns to the pokeball? You know, if the digital signature prevents you from capturing fainted Pokemon the same logic should apply if it faints after being caught. Sorry but the theory doesn't work, take a cue from the game theorists then try again.
+Gr3nadgr3gory Doesn't explain the plot hole of them not producing a signature when being fainted and the pokeball using it as the basis for the link so that completely throws this theory out the window and contradicts itself very badly.
Unfortunately you didn't take into consideration that Pokemon use HM moves/or field moves when fainted. And I'm sure I have seen some instances where anime Pokemon were caught when fainted, like Ash's Bulbasaur, But as for the games, I'm pretty sure the reason you can't catch fainted Pokemon is simply just because the battle ends. The trainer doesn't even get a chance to do anything, and since most of the time, the point is to just get experience points, it would be a chore to have to cancel capturing a fainted Pokemon each and every time. And even if there was an option to turn it off. I kind of think it would be too easy to capture fainted Pokemon might be another reason why. I do slightly agree with your suggestion that it might be that it's not very sportsman like to catch fainted Pokemon, because the Pokemon couldn't try to escape being caught but then again the whole point of weakening it is so that it doesn't have energy to break free. Only anime examples have shown some Pokemon finally accept being caught.
+Dustin Benzel Well there is an episode in the anima where Ash wanted to capture an injured(fainted?) Dotrio but misty stopped him because it wouldn't be right. It was not because he could not do it but rather because it would be immoral. Something about because the Pokémon could not defend itself and have a proper battle. So this single episode could easily debunk the energy required theory. +ProtoMario even used an image in his video. Fainted Pokémon in the Anima can and are captured. Not all of them have to be as seen with Caterpie who was captured without battle and with one shot. The reasoning behind the games is mechanics mostly. There is a capture strategy in Pokémon that just going around catching fainted pokemon by using your level 100 _______ would break. It doesn't really have anything to do with, that you'd have to cancel the capture animation or what not any more than it requiring you to first call out your lead Pokémon before deciding if you want to run or battle them. A simple "______ fainted, would you like to try to capture it?" message would solve that easy enough. Further more the capture mechanics work better in the games if the pokemon in question was still able to battle due to the requirement of having a capture rate on higher quality balls. Otherwise why have better or more encounter specific types? You get the message I quoted followed by either a "Capture failed/succeeded" message where the encounter ends and you loose that Pokémon or it asks if you want to throw another Pokéball up until you can no longer try and capture it due to not having any left to use.
***** Well the exact dialog escapes me as it has been a time since I've seen the episode in question. I do know you are correct however in regards to the moment in question because I remember the premise of the episode. They were helping a doctor's office/ Pokecenter (Forget what one) treat some Pokémon who got injured from an accident. This however doesn't change the fact that she did not stop him because it was not possible to catch a fainted Pokémon, but rather it was an immoral thing to do and they had more important uses of their time. I think I'll look up the episode while I am here and watch it to be certain.
But if a Pokemon doesn't want to be captured; why don't Pokemon just RUN the first time they're let out after being captured? Most Pokemon are extraordinarily fast; and the anime and manga have shown that Pokemon can dodge; or deflect, the Pokeball's recall beam.
Asura Arklin Let me try to explain my thoughts on this.....In the very first season of the Pokemon anime, Pikachu did try to run from Ash. But Ash eventually won over Pikachu while risking his life to protect Pikachu. If Pikachu was successful in running from Ash at the time, there really would have been nothing that Ash could do. Ash can try to look for it but it depends on whether or not he can manage to find it. It also depends on whether or not Pikachu would be willing to return with Ash. I think the main reason why pokemon don't run from their trainers is because in defeating (Not fainting) the pokemon first, they are more likely to see the trainer as someone with more power/authority than they have. Thus, they would be more willing to *let themselves be captured* in the first place. They'd have no reason to run away from someone they chose to follow right?
Asura Arklin I'm sorry, but the dude above me makes it sound like this is a game of willing slavery or something... I do believe its more like certain Pokemon, seek out stronger enemies to make themselves stronger, as such is nature. When they meet a Trainer, they wanna prove themselves superior and won't think twice to fight back. Now when they are weakened and trapped by a pokeball, first instinct it to gtfo. If they do, it is similar to saying "Is that the best you got?!" or "FU!" & they wanna keep fighting. There were times when the Trainer ran out of Pokemon or ideas to capture the Pokemon they do run away & has been noted a couple of times before. Now, about those roaming legends and timid Pokemon, they ARE willing to run away asap to get away from Trainers, especially if they live in solitude. They were Pokemon who even batted Pokeballs away because they refuse to battle. Which leads to the conclusion that if a Pokemon does not run away or defend itself without battle, it either wants to battle or be captured. Both equating to the Pokemon simply wishing to become stronger and believing that this Trainer can provide this for them. Then there is that middle ground where the Pokemon literally is a run away or just seeking adventure, leaving one to think that Pokemon have the same instincts as Humans and actual pets & wild animals: looking for others to make themselves stronger via both strength & character. It is the Pokemon's choice to stay with their Human, and its pretty damn clear that Pokemon can just will themselves out of their Pokeballs or destroy them. Which is why the Masterball was invented because Humans are greedy sons of bitches. And I believe the other balls (Great, Ultra, Net, Love, etc.) are even more tests of a Pokemon's will to fight. An easy capture differs greatly from a catch you worked pretty damn hard to land. Think about it: Would you rather toss a Master on a Fearow without battle only to find it doesn't have the right stats/moves/etc. you want/need OR go toe2toe with a hard to catch one and find the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow? The strong seek the strong, the weak huddle with more weak, as such is life (although comparing Running Away to Weakness is sorta unfair.)
Parrallagram Emma Burns Because A Ditto will transform into the other ditto. They will both transform into the same sex from that, and when one tries to change, the other will as well.
Ohhh I see I see My Dumb Ahh lol. I forgot 2 ditto's can make a Ditto. Plus I read the Main Question wrong. johnny elkins Yeah Ditto is genderless but I would assume it transforms into the opposite gender of the partnered pkmn and produce an egg or shoot the gun depending on who the partner is.
Damn now I'm thinking about it I understand what you mean johnny elkins , Ditto won't Make a Dihh or a Puhh with another Ditto. I'm about to eat breakfast now cause My Head ain't working right now. lol.
Now I have a theory as to why Pokemon have a chance to escape the poke all when they are initially captured. It goes hand in hand with this theory. All Pokemon gain a digital signature when a pokeball is thrown at them, but this process takes a few seconds. In those few seconds, a locking mechanism is slowing moving into place. If the Pokemon has low HP or a status condition, it is more difficult for the Pokemon to break free before the signature is assigned and the locking mechanism clicks. If a Pokemon should break free before that happens, the incomplete signature fades and the process has to be started over.
Proto said that the Pokemon needs to leave a signature (ressisting the pokeball) to be catched. When a pokemon wants to be catched, it doesnt ressist the ball.
I saw the first 20 seconds and the question. Because Fainted Pokemon in the wild are actually dead. Trainer Battles are restrained. There is your answer.
My theory is that when they faint, they recover a bit of energy. To bond their digital signature to the Pokéball, they need a bunch of energy. (This makes up for the, BUT PROTO WHY CAN THEY RETURN WHEN FAINTEEEED) Sometimes Pokémon recover quite a bit of energy at the beginning, or at last. It depends on the Pokémon. (BUT BLOCKY WHY DO WE NEED TO KNOW THIS?!) I'm getting there. The little bit of energy is enough to return when the digital signature is already made. So, short for all: - You need quite a bit of energy for the bonding. So that's why a few Pokémon can't get caught when fainted. - Depending on the Pokémon (Not like Happiny can and Scyther cannot, no, really on the Pokémon itself) the recovery of energy can go quick at the beginning or the end. If it's at the beginning, it can get caught when fainted. - It only takes a bit of energy to return, which is already recovered after a few seconds.
+Alron D'Abreo Well as a trainer you only need to count till 6... 1=Pikachu 2=Charizard etc.Richie or what ever hi sname was wrote the names of his Pokemon on their balls so he could remember.
But PROTO How do fainted Pokemon use HMs? But PROTO What dose digital signature mean? If I die, I'd still have traceable DNA in my corps. But PROTO What dose the Pokemon's opinion matter? If it dislikes ben captured. why not escape? But PROTO Why are voices so whiny when you read aloud our comments? But PROTO! But PROTO!! But PROTO!!!
At least answer me this Proto: Why do fainted Pokemon not have digital signatures? What so special about them being conscious that allows poke balls to Id the Pokemon digitally? w/e that means...
So let's assume that this digital coding of Pokemon is done using their 'life energy' (which I find unlikely to begin with), wouldn't completely depleting a Pokemon's life energy, you know, kill it? Pokemon can in fact die. There have been Pokemon cemeteries is many of the games, but we know that fainting and dying are not the same since you can revive a fainted Pokemon. Listen, the idea of HP is a game mechanic. It is not canon in any games that I know of. That's because there is no such thing as a mathematical fraction that describes how alive something is. There are numerous variables involved in an organism's vitality, and it cannot be expressed by a single fraction (at least not one the size of your typical HP meter). Ultimately this is a game mechanic, and I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to think up hypotheses to explain game mechanics canonically, but you're making it needlessly complex. A much more likely explanation is that if you abuse Pokemon by fainting them, and not giving them a say in capture, you're going to have a resentful bad-egg who ignores you, or even gets violent with you. And to anybody who says that the Pokeball scans the Pokemon's DNA, that's bogus too. Especially because Pokeballs preserve wounds, which are far from genetic. You can't inherit a bruise or a broken bone. Everything about Pokemon is epigentic. From EVs, to Move Sets, to held items. Even certain evolution paths (Eevee for example) are examples of epigentics at play in Pokemon. Pokemon change based on their environment, and the way they're trained. Just like people, their development is not bound by their environment. If you train your Pokemon to be fast, it'll be faster than other Pokemon of the same species. Just like it you eat healthy, you'll be healthier than other people.
I've gotten a good idea for a pokemon theory: Are Pokémon humans that are li living with some aliens in symbiosis? That would mean, that the humans are giving the aliens a safe home and the aliens are giving the humans special powers. In the "Sinnoh Myths" they are saying that a dead fish-Pokémon will rebirth. That's because the alien in the human heals its owner after a while too. Maybe there are some Pokémon which remember that they were humans like the protagonist of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team. That's my little theory!
Interesting. I always had it in my mind Pokémon battles only go on until a Pokémon loses consciousness once, but that they usually get right back up after three seconds, still alive and able to move, but too weak to fight without risking death. This would also explain why Pokemon can use HM moves while fainted. Too weak to fight, but possibly still able to swim and push inanimate objects around as long as they don't have to worry about further injury. So basically, under this system, you can't catch fainted Pokemon because they only lie there fainted for a few seconds, and then they run away because they're afraid of being killed, essentially acknowledging defeat. Sort of like how in the Safari Zone, if you throw too many rocks, the Pokemon flees. Making a Pokemon faint could be an equivalent of that. I noticed that in some of the recent shows, they say that the Pokemon is "unable to battle" after a certain point, and it doesn't even have to faint now. It just has to be unable to stand for several seconds, and it's considered to have lost... even though it does get up after that point and move around injured/slowly, like a wrestler dragging themselves back to their corner after losing a round.
Some of it could also be early installment weirdness as it is sometimes called. When a story is started they don't always have all the rules of the world down and all the characters down and whatnot. Some things get solidified later on, leading to some things in the beginning disregarding cannon.
Delta Semple Yea I'm not too fond of some of the stuff that went down in season 0. I only saw a few episodes of it. The characters just seemed a lot flatter and, they couldn't really keep my interest. The rest of the info I learned about it was just stuff that I heard on line. A lot of people disregard season 0, and it certainly makes things a lot less complicated and consistent. I know they decided to keep some elements from that part, but disregarded a lot of it. They should really just redo that part of the story to make everything make more sense.
Actually we're missing a very important fact, and probably the most logical reason (at least in terms of the games and not the anime). In the games, making a wild Pokemon faint causes 2 things. 1 it gives exp and two it exits the battle phase. It would be ridiculous if you could both gain exp for defeating the Pokemon and be able to capture it as well.
I get your point, but it does raise the question of what about when trainers recall their fainted Pokemon? I suppose you could say in the games they automatically return to the Pokeball, or even that with periodic hosting of the Pokemon they are able to maintain a charge. I wonder if that means a caught Pokemon can stay away from its Pokeball long enough that it loses its bind.
In some of the more recent games, when you've fainted a legendary, you're prompted with a response that's something like "It ran away." We also know that fainted pokemon aren't necessarily knocked out since they can still use HM moves. I propose that fainted wild pokemon simply retreat into the grass (or sink beneath the waves or hide behind a rock or whatever). That's why you can't catch fainted pokemon. I'd love it, if in future games, you could catch fainted pokemon if you had something that kept them from fleeing, such as Arena Trap or Shadow Tag or Wrap.
Interesting theory, though it's all really just idea crafting. There's little to no evidence to support this, nor did you offer any. SO this idea of pokemon having a "Digital Signature" seems far fetched. Yes, Pokemon are given a number when they're caught, but the number they are given is not unique. It is the ID number of the trainer that caught them. Trainers are given an ID when they start out, and given that you have to be a trainer in order to purchase Pokeballs, it seems likely that trainers have to present their ID to show them as legal purchasers, and like purchasing a gun, the pokeballs are registered under that trainer. So the Trainer ID number that's displayed alongside the pokemon is more likely stored locally in the Pokeball's memory and not encoded into the contained pokemon in any way.What's far more likely is the dark concept that pokemon that 'faint' are actually killed. There's far more evidence to support this, especially when considering the Pokemon Origins mini series and the Pokemon manga. pokemon die in the manga, Haunter as you said used explosion to prevent it's capture, which killed the pokemon. There have been several scenes where a pokemon has been killed in battle, such as Charmeleon slicing Arbok in half. This is what happens when a Pokemon is 'fainted'. To a lesser degree, a pokemon can be severely injured to the point where it can't continue to battle, and the trainer must make the hard decision of recalling the pokemon, or watching it die as the opponent continues to wail on it. THis is depicted perfectly in Pokemon Origins, where Red's Charmander is getting it's face gnawed on by Squirtle, writhing and screaming in agony while red watches on. Red had to swallow his pride and recall his Charmander before any permanent damage could be done. So pokemon death can happen. In the wild, a pokemon dies when the trainer inflicts too much damage on it. Because it's 'fainted' aka dead, there is no point in capturing it. In a trainer battle, a trainer who refuses to call back their pokemon in a battle, or fail to have it properly tended to at a pokemon center in a timely manner after suffering greivous injury, can result in a pokemon death. This is why places like the Pokemon Tower exist.The only reason why the video games and the show do not normally depict pokemon in this way, is because it was designed for children. Pokemon gets a bad enough rap as a dogfighting ring, where you pit animals against each other and make them fight for their owner's profit. Now add in the countless slaughter of wild animals for no other purpose than to get better at at a competitive sport. At least the manga and Origins was more candid about how Pokemon actually works.
You know what i think is really interesting, though? In the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series, you actually DO make pokemon completely faint so have them join your team. Once you kill them they'll magically pop back alive and ask you join your team. Should you accept with a spare slot in your party, they'll join you with full health! This really has nothing to do with the main series or the pokeball, just an interesting idea that gamefreak has put into pokemon itself.
I can lighten your mind pretty easy if you could capture fainted pokemon in the game then where is the challenge in the game if you can capture them even the legendary then you would complete the pokedex in under one day if you had a day of and accomplish a ton of other things in the games I like the challenge of lowering the energy as much as possible when trying you have to think about what move and how much damage it does is it strong or weak against your opponent ( wild pokemon ) and think of how much hp it has before attacking and a bunch of other things
I think I know the answer, if a pokemon faints and you try to capture it, the method of turning it into energy is too risky on the pokemon, it could lead to you killing them. I suppose you could try and risk it, but odds would be against you if you tried. Thats my theory anyway
Interesting take on it, but there's a few flaws with this theory: the first coming to mind being that in the anime, Ash catches Pokemon that have been fainted. There's actually quite a bit of gameplay that contradicts the anime, but that aside, Nintendo really should fix the no catching Faints rule. I've always figured they added it to make it harder to catch Pokemon, which you mentioned as well, but instances like traditional Safari Zone were quite a pain. I never understood the sense in rock throwing myself. At least Bait had SOME sense to it... As for the Pokemon not recognizing their Trainers for catching during a Faint and disobeying, Charizard actually CHOSE Ash to be its Trainer back when it was Charmander, so that really had nothing to do with it. It literally jumped into Ash's Pokeball. Aside from in the movie with Mewtwo, Pokeballs don't typically break when a Pokemon capture fails, either, as seen in the anime. The ball simply floats back to the Trainer's palm (funny, since if it works and catches the Pokemon, it just sits on the ground). The no-D.S. theory seems a bit far-fetched because Pokemon HAVE been captured while fainted in the show, and recognized their Trainers forevermore. In fact, other than Caterpie, I can't think of a time when a (battled) Pokemon that WASN'T fainted was caught in the show. If the Pokemon awoke in the ball after a knock-out catch, I imagine the D.S. would generate and bind at that point. Sure, it may resent the Trainer, but many captured without being fainted do anyway. I'm probably forgetting some aspect of innermost game workings, but what did you mean in the part about the Masterball "catch any Pokemon, except for having that 0.001% chance"? And who or what is Black Fog? Is that a nickname for a "hidden" Pokemon like the "Ghost" of Red/Blue? I haven't read any Pokemon manga, so just curious. As for Venom's second question, I believe he's talking about when Ash threw Pikachu's ball at it to recall it, rather than doing the traditional "hold your arm out, let the beam of light zap and absorb the Pokemon" method. You actually show this around 3:37 or so in this vid. I really didn't mean to write so much, but this has been on my mind since game one. XD
Was i the only one to notice that when he showed the R from team Rocket in the middle you saw Meowth and Persian. Probably just a coincidence but still!
I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. Digital signature being gone simply from fainting? And the brilliant scientists that made these pokeballs couldn't even use DNA to give them a signature instead of some waking health points that are not even canon (only in the games). No, I think the reason is simply that pokemon you capture in game and in the manga WANTS to get caught by a good trainer. That's why you have to battle it first, to prove that you are worthy. They appear out of nowhere and attack you, but why? Are all pokemon to ever scratch the surface of the pokemon world naturally aggressive? I don't think so.
Here is what I think. It's not the signature that matters. It is important for storing and swapping pokemon, but not for capturing. Pokemon are energy based creatures which assume phisical form as their higher energy state. Pokeballs were designed to keep pokemon at lower energy state,when they can be compresssed for better mobility of a trainer. When you battle pokemon, you drain it's energy, no mater what type it is. You can't do any real damage to Muk or any ghost pokemon or Ditto, because there is nothing to damage, but they can be defeated and caught when their energy is low. Pokeball can handle only so much before overloading and releasing pokemon that still has too much hp(energy). That's why you can't catch fainted pokemon. It's HP is mostly intact at that time. Also, I think energy limit comes from size of a pokeball. Make one big enough, and you could catch Articuno with your eyes shut. But let's face it, no one would want to haul 6 beach balls on their backs.
1:39 "Team Rocket sells Pokemon to kids who are dead with X's over their eyes" . . . Well why the Hell would people buy something without inspecting the merchandise first? These kids must be stupid. Team Rocket could sell them nine Magikarps clamming they're Eevee and all eight of Eevee's evolved forms.
Should've mentioned the episode "Primape goes bananas" here. Thats the kind of thing pokemons would do if captured while fainted. Suddenly being in an unknown place and called out by someone you don't know to fight for you, Primape knows how to deal with this ;)
It's a great theory, and great work.. but it begs the follow-up question: If a pokémon doesn't produce enough energy to have a digital frequency when fainted, how come you retrieve the pokémon into the pokéball after they've fainted in battle?
I think its mostly a game feature added to actually give pokémon games any type of challenge to them. Another theory of mine is that its simply not a fair way to catch pokémon. To not give them a chance to struggle, *Ignoring the Master ball* and break free of their balls. If you knew you could just go all out against any legendary pokémon it would make the game less interesting...
simple, they're too wounded, without a trainer to call them back they fight to the end, only legendary pokemon know when to fight and when to flee, and a trainer's pokemon is taught their limits and probably pretend to faint (like a possum playing dead to survive a predator encounter) so they can recover and continue to live, the only exceptions I can think of being gardevoir, aegislash, and kangaskhan. (the kid at risk)
This theory opens up the concept of storage it takes to store a pokemon. Based on what you said with energy, it would be that the more health a pokemon has, the more data it has. With the continued enhancement of pokeballs, i would expect pokeballs that allow for multiple pokemon within them to be a thing, once the digital storage of them becomes increased. I suspect this is a risk factor. If you threw a pokeball containing 3 pokemon and then then the pokemon you are trying to capture breaks the ball, it could cause harm to the other pokemon inside. With that said. I would still think people would of attempted this. -Folix
A much simpler answer could be that when a pokemon in the wild runs out of hp it doesn't really faint but that's the point where it basically says "I'm screwed" and flees. So a wild pokemon's hp could represent it's will to battle more than it's ability to stay conscious. Plus several times in the anime you can see a pokemon appear to be fainted just before it's caught
I have to disagree. I believe in the anime it may be possible to capture fainted pokemon. For the games I would have to say because when encountered a pokemon is generated by the game and when it faints and has no pokeball to return to it's data (or life) is returned back to its source. Thus in game fainted pokemon no longer exist because their data is erased, also explaining the lack of bodies all over the routes. So pokeballs allow that pokemon a safe place to store it's data when it faints, therefore N is wrong lol
Proto says that some guy had a theory that if a fainted pokemon were to wake up in a pokeball it wouldn't know how it got there and burst out, so then why can a pokemon be caught permanently while sleeping? DEBUNKED
You make some very good points in this, it was something I never really had thought about and it makes a lot of sense, it would also coincide with the lottery aspect of some of the games. However, you tend to repeat things quite a bit making your videos much longer than they need to be, which can make people disinterested.
pokemon are everything but digital... in the anime it is clear that all of ash's pokemon are staying at Oak's house because when they are videochatting you often see krabby or muk or something...
I’m pretty sure that a Pokémon would still have energy since it’s still alive whenever you faint it. Even if it was dead it would still have energy stored in its body waiting to be used by plants.
In the manga, It's explained that to capture a pokémon, you must target it's life force. When it is fainted, it's life force it too weak to be targeted by the ball.
no. the reason is, pokemon choose to be captured out of deference to their trainers. it is simply impossible to capture a pokemon that hasn't deemed you worthy as it's trainer, and a fainted pokemon cannot make that decision. the end result is the same though. a pokemon captured fainted would simply escape the pokeball or refuse to return to it upon it's next release.
what if the science of a pokeball wouldnt allow a fainted pokemon to eb caught. i think it could be ran on the level of friendship that the pokemon has for the owner if it can feel its spirit of the trainer. thus why the pokeball rotates that way its a measuring system of the friendship or stuff like that idk that would be a reasonable explanation.
i dont think theres a reason to be honest i just think the people making the game decided if you could catch them when they fainted it would be too easy of a game especially when it came to legendary pokemon and they couldnt really say the pokemon broke free because the pokemon had fainted how could it break free
Something cheesy like pokemon trainers are supposed to prove their strength to the pokemon and obtain the pokemon's acknowledgement of that strength so that it will willingly be captured by the trainer?
Actually in some episodes of pokemon Ash made the pokemon faint before catching it... that is only in the games when if the pokemon faints the battle is over and the pokemon magically disappears.
I reckon the shock of going from unconscious in the wild to awake in the poke ball would kill it from shock. when it has been in one before, it recognises the surroundings and is completely fine
Any blow hard enough to render a creature unconscious is hard enough to potentially cause brain damage or death. You can't capture fainted Pokémon because they're dead.
lol I laughed so hard at the second butthole joke. Believe it or not i have been gored by a bison and it in fact tore me a new one. I connected with that joke on a personal level lol.
maybe when the pokemon is weak enough it submits to being capture, but when its fainted it still hasn't submitted and will break free when it is revived
I think the process which binds a pokemon to a pokeball (that's why you can't switch pokeballs because they're somehow bound to it) is taxing on a pokemon/pokemons body so capturing a fainted pokemon risks killing it. Once bound a trainer can return a fainted pokemon to it's pokeball because it doesn't have to go through that process again.
Well in the games, when you find a pokeball holding an item, a pokeball can also be an itemball, but no one can explain why people can't keep the ball.
Wait a second... if fainted Pokemon can't be caught because they have no HP, and therefore, have no digital signature, then what about Pokemon you've already caught that faint? They go right back into their Pokeballs...
Good question.
You could say that the Pokemon you already caught are only registered in their own Pokeball by default, and that makes them able to return back inside. That’s the same reason why you can’t catch other trainer’s Pokemon. They only belong to one specific Pokeball.
This is my just my opinion 👍🏻
The way i always looked at it, you cant capture a fainted pokemon because it isnt awake and cant willingly submit...
The pokeball is an inventation of submission, not a forced capture.. its why pokemon can break out of the pokeball at will.
In order to capture a pokemon, it must decide that you defeated if, and its willing to submit to your training in order to become stronger. If itd fainted, it cant make the choice to submit... it has nothing to do with digital signatures...
Or atleast thats how i believe it works... thats my theory on it.
darcraven01 That is FLAWED what you said because you are saying Pokemon's are self aware..... which is not the case because Pokemon are like animals.
finalfrontier001 there are several cases of pokemon learning to speak perfectly in the human language, as well as references that state that some pokemon were at one point human... pokemon are not animals, they are monsters..
besides that, even a dog can willingly submit to someone's rule.. so animals can submit, and make a willing choice to follow someone..
so my theory isn't flawed no matter how you view pokemon..
***** i havent watched too much of the anime, so i could be wrong.. but isnt that only happens in the video games to make the task of capturing them more daunting.. i dont remember it happening in the anime like that..
but if you were to take that "RNG" into count in the theory, maybe the pokemon is undecided on whether it wishes to be captured or not, and repeated attempts make it decide to give in and accept the offer? i mean, its clear that pokemon are capable of intelligent thought so maybe some just need time to consider the option.. that'd be my best guess to make it work in my theory.
***** i do know that in the anime a lot of times ash will help a pokemon out, offer to let it join his team.. it'll accept and he'll throw a pokeball at it and it always captured, further supporting my theory of it being the "pokemon's willingness to be captured" preventing it from being captured while fainted.. *shrugs*
***** thats exactly what im saying...
Does Ash's rice ball have digital signal? Because he "captured it" in the mankey episode.
I wonder
No no no. It was a donut he caught!
No
Just no
Does that mean you can capture a human with a poke ball
My theory behind this has always been that Pokéball capture requires consent. The battle is to gain the respect of the Pokémon, which then consents to be captured and become the trainer's partner. If the Pokémon has fainted, consent cannot be given.
What about a master ball?
Lil Layne
Master ball is special and specifically designed to force any Pokémon to submit, but it still requires a conscious Pokémon to manipulate. (Just my theory)
+culedoods Yeah if you think about it both fainting and sleeping, the Pokemon is unconscious
*****
Given that sleeping Pokémon are still capable of performing attacks (e.g., Sleep Talk, Snore, etc.) that are commanded by their trainer while sleeping, there must be some level of consciousness a Pokémon has during sleep and thus some level of awareness for consent.
+vistatrista7 dude what you are saying isn't helping you
Why fainted Pokemon can't be caught
Pokemon games would be too easily
Is That Aspost To be Funny... Or?...
Very true... No more shiny Mewtwos fainting from struggle... ;-;
Something I didn't see you mention was actually one of the most obvious things.
Jessie from Team Rocket literally captured a fainted Pokemon. In the Hoenn advanced generation series, episode eight, a tail with a twist, Jessie gets her hair cut off (and it magically regenerates later) by a wild seviper, and then she beats the crap out of the Seviper, only to have James and Meowth (who were terrified the whole time) tell her to catch it, and she catches it, while it is fainted.
With this, I'd say that in the games you CHOOSE not to catch fainted Pokemon, because you have a heart.
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series one, intro, fainted bulbasaur is cought. what about that?
+stefanyugioh That was in the episode Ash caught Bulbasuar.
Mine is:
The pokeball can't detect if the Pokemon is real or not, since they aren't moving.
It wasn't fainted... It had normal eyes, not the swirls that fainted pokemon have
+stefanyugioh and in one episode they keep making voltorbs use selfdestruct and faint so they can be mass captured
+ProtoMario well done sherlock
since you mentioned the series as well
Pokemon: Advanced / Episode 8 / A Tail with a Twist
at 13:00 Jessie catches Seviper when it's fainted
matthigast matthias Your comment needs more likes.
finalfrontier001 lol
***** Well... I just told you one where it happens...
matthigast matthias lets remember, pretty much everything in the anime doesn't match the manga or the games
***** learn to actually make your argument make sense. Based on your structure you are claiming "I have only seen characters catch fainted pokemon" which is wrong. If this is not what you meant, then actually make your sentence clear instead of using double negatives.
But proooooooto I like the old but prooooooooto better :(
Naim Romero Yeah I do too, that old one is a classy, the new one is... well too artificial in many ways.
This theory is ridiculous. If they've got no digital signal when fainted, how do they return to the ball when they faint?
The truth is, they are dead
+InfernosReaper I think that if there has to be an explanation that makes sense with the pokemon lore and not the game mechanics, I think that pokemon that are battled will not be captured if they are very determined to not get captured, but when weakened they may lose their will to resist. Naturally legendaries would have greater willpower.
That makes no sense when they are "fainted" which is unconscious. They would have less will power. They've gotta be dead in all seriousness.
What I forgot to add was that the pokemon has to want to be captured. When it is fainted it doesn't have an opinion.
Why does an beatup pokemon *want* to be captured? The entire point seems to be about beating it until it *can't* resist.
I was thinking back to the first episode in the anime where they mention that wild pokemon tend to get jealous. I do see the flaws in my theory though.
But PROTO
-why fainted pokemon can return to there pokeball if they dont have digital signal?
-why ash throw the pokeball on pikachu to return insteam to beam it?
-why i cant capture an allready captured pokemon
VENOM i think that last one has already been answered by Proto.
VENOM Fainted Pokemon can be returned because they are already bonded to that ball.
VENOM For number 2; Because he is an idiot? I mean he just started when he tried to do so, he may not have known how to use a pokeball properly by then.
PokeMadness1996 Then it wasn't fainted
VENOM actually picatu dosen't go i the pokeball because its not his his has a lighting bolt on it watch the first ep to see more
I wrote a Pokemon fanfiction a long time ago, and in my fanfiction I explained that a Pokeball actually compressed a Pokemon's molecules(explaining why you can fit a gyarados into a ball the size of your fist) and put them in stasis. However, they needed to scan the pokemon's DNA and energy signature in order to compress them properly. But if a Pokemon was completely out of energy and had no energy signature, the scan would malfunction, and the Pokemon would either be rejected or sometimes destroyed, making an attempt to capture a fainted Pokemon pointless at best and life-threatening at worst. (Returning a fainted Pokemon to it's ball was perfectly safe however, as the ball already had the Pokemon's DNA and energy signatures.)
Although let's just face it: the people who designed the games just designed the game mechanic that way so that capturing Pokemon wasn't too easy; they didn't spend 1.5 seconds thinking about the logic behind it.
+Jace Roberts My fanfiction also described that the reason Pokemon broke out was that they used some of their remaining energy to short out the electronics in the Pokeball and destroy it to make their escape, which was why the more energy they had left the easier they escaped. Higher levels balls were just made with more expensive parts and design, and could scan faster as well as having more heavily guarded circuitry. But that's kind of off the subject. Please forgive my nostalgic rambling.
+Jace Roberts even if it already had the signature registered it would still need an exact signature to compare to in order to be assured the pokemon returned was the same one previously housed. Additionally if a pokemon evolves it's signature would change meaning the same ball would not be able to continue housing it.
Nick momo
I know, I wrote it a long time ago. If I recall correctly I wrote in that evolution was certain dormant genes being activated and some of them mutating, but the DNA from the previous evolution was still in there, only it was dormant now so the Pokeball could still recognize their energy signature. Basically it meant that a Magikarp had all the DNA for a Gyarados, but they were dormant, and when it evolved all that happened was it switched which sets of DNA was dormant and which was active and the Pokeball could still read it. Poor explanation, I know, but hey. I was like 16 and trying to come up with a scientific explanation for something that had none.
Nick momo
Oh and as far as returning a Pokemon, when the Pokeball records the energy signature upon capture, it saves the data so it can correctly return and store the same Pokemon again. Which is why you can't use a Pokeball on two different Pokemon, because it already wrote the data from the first Pokemon onto it's miniature hard drive.
just one hole left. When playing the game and trying to catch a pokemon belonging to another trainer it appears possible to catch though is always prevented by the trainer themselves physically blocking the pokeball from touching the pokemon. If a pokeball specifically registers a pokemon then this means all pokemon ever being caught have to enter a gigantic database which catalogs them and blocking the pokemon from another trainers ball would be redundant...
When the Team Rocket R logo appeared on the screen, the two pokemon in the loop in the R where Meowth and Persian. o_O
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That's not it.
Minus the masterball's forced will, the pokeball will not catch the target if the target does not see the trainer as worthy. Basically, it has to accept that the trainer is worthy in order to let itself be captured.
This is why legendaries have a super low catch rate, because they are well above the trainer, and the trainer has to prove itself. This is also way it doesn't work on fainted, as the pokemon cannot state that it chose the trainer if it's knocked out. The Masterball is the only ball that bypasses this ruling, and is considered forcing the pokemon to your will.
That sounds more plausible. and that got me into thinking... why don't game freak made the Pokemon who was caught by masterball to not obey the trainer, unless a requirement has been met, like defeating the champion. that will make the game more logical to support the theory
i think this was best explained by my brother when i was like 8. it's unconscious, a body no brain. the being of worth thing kinda makes sense but only in the games with strict rules. in the show/manga anything goes because the characters are less two dimensional. consider this, in the show a pokemon can learn more than 4 moves. so while yes there is some ground for a theory here unless game freak or Nintendo says something it will remain speculation.
BlazerT48 Nothing said all of pokemon was innocent.
Masterball can be equal to forcing it against it's will, so you're kind of a douche to any pokemon you throw it at. Better treat it well.
while that is true and that does come up in the first movie. if a pokemon refuses it refuses except in this one instance. and even that is more due to mewtwo himself than anything. buuut then again i could be entirely wrong i haven't sen that movie in years
There is, not enough badges will restrict this. level 100 arcius? Only got 2 badges? (you hacked the game to cheat spawn him in) He will refuse to obey.
1:29 Look at the two Pokémon you can see through the gap in the "R" when he mentions Team Rocket.
Shizuru Nakatsu omfg your a genius
OMG , who notices this much ?
Its shiny Electrode and Shiny ???
Its all the shiny pokemon
@@jingquecordero5385 Meowth and Persian. Two very famous Team Rocket Pokémon, at least in the anime.
Then why is it when a Pokemon faints it returns to the pokeball? You know, if the digital signature prevents you from capturing fainted Pokemon the same logic should apply if it faints after being caught. Sorry but the theory doesn't work, take a cue from the game theorists then try again.
the fainted pokemon return to their poke ball because they already have a link to it.
+Gr3nadgr3gory Doesn't explain the plot hole of them not producing a signature when being fainted and the pokeball using it as the basis for the link so that completely throws this theory out the window and contradicts itself very badly.
+Revan maybe its similar to how you can delete a file from a computer but then go back and recover it. Just a thought
1:32 suspiciously places R of team rocket so Meowth and Persian in the hole in the R...
OMG
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+Oliver Chen u saw that two
Oliver Chen
Anyone remembers how did Jessie caught Seviper? Go and check..first she kickes its ass till it faint and then she throws a pokeball u.u
Unfortunately you didn't take into consideration that Pokemon use HM moves/or field moves when fainted.
And I'm sure I have seen some instances where anime Pokemon were caught when fainted, like Ash's Bulbasaur,
But as for the games, I'm pretty sure the reason you can't catch fainted Pokemon is simply just because the battle ends. The trainer doesn't even get a chance to do anything, and since most of the time, the point is to just get experience points, it would be a chore to have to cancel capturing a fainted Pokemon each and every time. And even if there was an option to turn it off. I kind of think it would be too easy to capture fainted Pokemon might be another reason why.
I do slightly agree with your suggestion that it might be that it's not very sportsman like to catch fainted Pokemon, because the Pokemon couldn't try to escape being caught but then again the whole point of weakening it is so that it doesn't have energy to break free.
Only anime examples have shown some Pokemon finally accept being caught.
+Dustin Benzel How do you explain if the Pokemon was a Legendary/Shiny Pokemon? Wouldn't you want to get it anyway?
+Dustin Benzel Well there is an episode in the anima where Ash wanted to capture an injured(fainted?) Dotrio but misty stopped him because it wouldn't be right. It was not because he could not do it but rather because it would be immoral. Something about because the Pokémon could not defend itself and have a proper battle. So this single episode could easily debunk the energy required theory. +ProtoMario even used an image in his video. Fainted Pokémon in the Anima can and are captured. Not all of them have to be as seen with Caterpie who was captured without battle and with one shot. The reasoning behind the games is mechanics mostly. There is a capture strategy in Pokémon that just going around catching fainted pokemon by using your level 100 _______ would break. It doesn't really have anything to do with, that you'd have to cancel the capture animation or what not any more than it requiring you to first call out your lead Pokémon before deciding if you want to run or battle them. A simple "______ fainted, would you like to try to capture it?" message would solve that easy enough.
Further more the capture mechanics work better in the games if the pokemon in question was still able to battle due to the requirement of having a capture rate on higher quality balls. Otherwise why have better or more encounter specific types? You get the message I quoted followed by either a "Capture failed/succeeded" message where the encounter ends and you loose that Pokémon or it asks if you want to throw another Pokéball up until you can no longer try and capture it due to not having any left to use.
+Tony Cast (Prowl Nightwolf) No, Misty stopped him because he was supposed to be TREATING the Dodrio's injuries, not catch it.
***** Well the exact dialog escapes me as it has been a time since I've seen the episode in question. I do know you are correct however in regards to the moment in question because I remember the premise of the episode. They were helping a doctor's office/ Pokecenter (Forget what one) treat some Pokémon who got injured from an accident. This however doesn't change the fact that she did not stop him because it was not possible to catch a fainted Pokémon, but rather it was an immoral thing to do and they had more important uses of their time.
I think I'll look up the episode while I am here and watch it to be certain.
But if a Pokemon doesn't want to be captured; why don't Pokemon just RUN the first time they're let out after being captured? Most Pokemon are extraordinarily fast; and the anime and manga have shown that Pokemon can dodge; or deflect, the Pokeball's recall beam.
Asura Arklin Let me try to explain my thoughts on this.....In the very first season of the Pokemon anime, Pikachu did try to run from Ash. But Ash eventually won over Pikachu while risking his life to protect Pikachu. If Pikachu was successful in running from Ash at the time, there really would have been nothing that Ash could do. Ash can try to look for it but it depends on whether or not he can manage to find it. It also depends on whether or not Pikachu would be willing to return with Ash. I think the main reason why pokemon don't run from their trainers is because in defeating (Not fainting) the pokemon first, they are more likely to see the trainer as someone with more power/authority than they have. Thus, they would be more willing to *let themselves be captured* in the first place. They'd have no reason to run away from someone they chose to follow right?
Asura Arklin I'm sorry, but the dude above me makes it sound like this is a game of willing slavery or something...
I do believe its more like certain Pokemon, seek out stronger enemies to make themselves stronger, as such is nature. When they meet a Trainer, they wanna prove themselves superior and won't think twice to fight back. Now when they are weakened and trapped by a pokeball, first instinct it to gtfo. If they do, it is similar to saying "Is that the best you got?!" or "FU!" & they wanna keep fighting. There were times when the Trainer ran out of Pokemon or ideas to capture the Pokemon they do run away & has been noted a couple of times before. Now, about those roaming legends and timid Pokemon, they ARE willing to run away asap to get away from Trainers, especially if they live in solitude. They were Pokemon who even batted Pokeballs away because they refuse to battle. Which leads to the conclusion that if a Pokemon does not run away or defend itself without battle, it either wants to battle or be captured. Both equating to the Pokemon simply wishing to become stronger and believing that this Trainer can provide this for them. Then there is that middle ground where the Pokemon literally is a run away or just seeking adventure, leaving one to think that Pokemon have the same instincts as Humans and actual pets & wild animals: looking for others to make themselves stronger via both strength & character.
It is the Pokemon's choice to stay with their Human, and its pretty damn clear that Pokemon can just will themselves out of their Pokeballs or destroy them. Which is why the Masterball was invented because Humans are greedy sons of bitches. And I believe the other balls (Great, Ultra, Net, Love, etc.) are even more tests of a Pokemon's will to fight. An easy capture differs greatly from a catch you worked pretty damn hard to land.
Think about it: Would you rather toss a Master on a Fearow without battle only to find it doesn't have the right stats/moves/etc. you want/need OR go toe2toe with a hard to catch one and find the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow?
The strong seek the strong, the weak huddle with more weak, as such is life (although comparing Running Away to Weakness is sorta unfair.)
01:28 is it a coincedence that the hole in the R of team rocket circles meowth and persian?
Yeah I noticed that too!
Tony Beuwolf Holy shit that's crazy
Dam. Illuminati confirmed
Tony Beuwolf I WAS GONNA SAY THAT!!!
Joy Edbert it so does
In the anime they catch fainted Pokemon all the time!
Hey Proto, can you make a video on how dito can breed into other pokemon but not them self.
Parrallagram Emma Burns Because A Ditto will transform into the other ditto. They will both transform into the same sex from that, and when one tries to change, the other will as well.
Justin Omoi But Ditto does not have a Sex it goes by is shows gender less
Justin Omoi you can breed 2 dittos together and create baby dittos. I'm not kidding. It's possible
Ohhh I see I see My Dumb Ahh lol. I forgot 2 ditto's can make a Ditto. Plus I read the Main Question wrong.
johnny elkins Yeah Ditto is genderless but I would assume it transforms into the opposite gender of the partnered pkmn and produce an egg or shoot the gun depending on who the partner is.
Damn now I'm thinking about it I understand what you mean johnny elkins , Ditto won't Make a Dihh or a Puhh with another Ditto.
I'm about to eat breakfast now cause My Head ain't working right now. lol.
wait what then how can you call back your own fainted pokemon...
teamSKDM ik but if your pokemon faints then it would have no digital signature (as he says) and the pokeball wouldnt work too much
Itd already have one because its already been ID'd
Now I have a theory as to why Pokemon have a chance to escape the poke all when they are initially captured. It goes hand in hand with this theory. All Pokemon gain a digital signature when a pokeball is thrown at them, but this process takes a few seconds. In those few seconds, a locking mechanism is slowing moving into place. If the Pokemon has low HP or a status condition, it is more difficult for the Pokemon to break free before the signature is assigned and the locking mechanism clicks. If a Pokemon should break free before that happens, the incomplete signature fades and the process has to be started over.
But Proto! Pokemon in the anime that WANTS to get captured, doesnt resist the pokeball throwned at them. Where is the digital signature?
Proto said that the Pokemon needs to leave a signature (ressisting the pokeball) to be catched. When a pokemon wants to be catched, it doesnt ressist the ball.
Cyclon I think you need to watch the video again. That's not what he said at all.
I saw the first 20 seconds and the question.
Because Fainted Pokemon in the wild are actually dead. Trainer Battles are restrained. There is your answer.
1:27
Look at the two Pokemon in the R. That's a nice touch, Proto :)
What the goldeen and the jolteon
+Darth Kaos (RevanKaos) The Persian and Meowth from team rocket
I searched 5 minutes until I found out,that you didn't meant right
its 1:28 ... i spent 5 mins trying to understand it....
Don't pokemon have to trust the trainer and agree to go in the pokeball for it to work? An unconcious pokemon couldnt be able to make that descision.
Pokemon Theory: Why Can't we change the pokemon ball.
like when we catch a pokemon inside a master ball or something,., why can't we change the pokemon ball to a normal poke ball or something?
Pixel Boyz the pokemon's code is linked to pokeball
Pixel Boyz because you could use the master ball 1000 times over XD
I would really like to change my pokéball to match the Pokemon. Like a mask over the ball.
same.
My theory is that when they faint, they recover a bit of energy. To bond their digital signature to the Pokéball, they need a bunch of energy. (This makes up for the, BUT PROTO WHY CAN THEY RETURN WHEN FAINTEEEED) Sometimes Pokémon recover quite a bit of energy at the beginning, or at last. It depends on the Pokémon. (BUT BLOCKY WHY DO WE NEED TO KNOW THIS?!) I'm getting there. The little bit of energy is enough to return when the digital signature is already made.
So, short for all:
- You need quite a bit of energy for the bonding. So that's why a few Pokémon can't get caught when fainted.
- Depending on the Pokémon (Not like Happiny can and Scyther cannot, no, really on the Pokémon itself) the recovery of energy can go quick at the beginning or the end. If it's at the beginning, it can get caught when fainted.
- It only takes a bit of energy to return, which is already recovered after a few seconds.
i got a question.. how does ash or any other trainer for that matter know which pokemon is in which pokeball? all pokeballs look the same..
+Alron D'Abreo Well as a trainer you only need to count till 6... 1=Pikachu 2=Charizard etc.Richie or what ever hi sname was wrote the names of his Pokemon on their balls so he could remember.
But PROTO
How do fainted Pokemon use HMs?
But PROTO
What dose digital signature mean? If I die, I'd still have traceable DNA in my corps.
But PROTO
What dose the Pokemon's opinion matter? If it dislikes ben captured. why not escape?
But PROTO
Why are voices so whiny when you read aloud our comments?
But PROTO!
But PROTO!!
But PROTO!!!
At least answer me this Proto: Why do fainted Pokemon not have digital signatures? What so special about them being conscious that allows poke balls to Id the Pokemon digitally? w/e that means...
So let's assume that this digital coding of Pokemon is done using their 'life energy' (which I find unlikely to begin with), wouldn't completely depleting a Pokemon's life energy, you know, kill it? Pokemon can in fact die. There have been Pokemon cemeteries is many of the games, but we know that fainting and dying are not the same since you can revive a fainted Pokemon. Listen, the idea of HP is a game mechanic. It is not canon in any games that I know of. That's because there is no such thing as a mathematical fraction that describes how alive something is. There are numerous variables involved in an organism's vitality, and it cannot be expressed by a single fraction (at least not one the size of your typical HP meter).
Ultimately this is a game mechanic, and I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to think up hypotheses to explain game mechanics canonically, but you're making it needlessly complex. A much more likely explanation is that if you abuse Pokemon by fainting them, and not giving them a say in capture, you're going to have a resentful bad-egg who ignores you, or even gets violent with you.
And to anybody who says that the Pokeball scans the Pokemon's DNA, that's bogus too. Especially because Pokeballs preserve wounds, which are far from genetic. You can't inherit a bruise or a broken bone. Everything about Pokemon is epigentic. From EVs, to Move Sets, to held items. Even certain evolution paths (Eevee for example) are examples of epigentics at play in Pokemon. Pokemon change based on their environment, and the way they're trained. Just like people, their development is not bound by their environment. If you train your Pokemon to be fast, it'll be faster than other Pokemon of the same species. Just like it you eat healthy, you'll be healthier than other people.
BUT PROTO BULBASAUR IS THE COLOUR OF JOHN CENA
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I've gotten a good idea for a pokemon theory:
Are Pokémon humans that are li living with some aliens in symbiosis? That would mean, that the humans are giving the aliens a safe home and the aliens are giving the humans special powers.
In the "Sinnoh Myths" they are saying that a dead fish-Pokémon will rebirth. That's because the alien in the human heals its owner after a while too.
Maybe there are some Pokémon which remember that they were humans like the protagonist of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team.
That's my little theory!
I have horrible luck so 1/62500 chance for a masterball to fail and I have had it happen
On a shiny arceus that was ditto compatible
Nordic Ducks you cant get aurceus in any game anymore besides from cheating
It was a joke because he wouldn't be ditto compatible anyway
Interesting. I always had it in my mind Pokémon battles only go on until a Pokémon loses consciousness once, but that they usually get right back up after three seconds, still alive and able to move, but too weak to fight without risking death. This would also explain why Pokemon can use HM moves while fainted. Too weak to fight, but possibly still able to swim and push inanimate objects around as long as they don't have to worry about further injury.
So basically, under this system, you can't catch fainted Pokemon because they only lie there fainted for a few seconds, and then they run away because they're afraid of being killed, essentially acknowledging defeat. Sort of like how in the Safari Zone, if you throw too many rocks, the Pokemon flees. Making a Pokemon faint could be an equivalent of that. I noticed that in some of the recent shows, they say that the Pokemon is "unable to battle" after a certain point, and it doesn't even have to faint now. It just has to be unable to stand for several seconds, and it's considered to have lost... even though it does get up after that point and move around injured/slowly, like a wrestler dragging themselves back to their corner after losing a round.
Well Protocol is wrong bulbasaur in season one of pokemon fainted and ash caught it anyways
Some of it could also be early installment weirdness as it is sometimes called. When a story is started they don't always have all the rules of the world down and all the characters down and whatnot. Some things get solidified later on, leading to some things in the beginning disregarding cannon.
+MoonstonePearl21 true look at yugioh
Delta Semple Yea I'm not too fond of some of the stuff that went down in season 0. I only saw a few episodes of it. The characters just seemed a lot flatter and, they couldn't really keep my interest. The rest of the info I learned about it was just stuff that I heard on line. A lot of people disregard season 0, and it certainly makes things a lot less complicated and consistent. I know they decided to keep some elements from that part, but disregarded a lot of it. They should really just redo that part of the story to make everything make more sense.
+MoonstonePearl21 mostly it was errors in the rules that needed balanced
Silver Infernape he said it could come out though
Actually we're missing a very important fact, and probably the most logical reason (at least in terms of the games and not the anime). In the games, making a wild Pokemon faint causes 2 things. 1 it gives exp and two it exits the battle phase. It would be ridiculous if you could both gain exp for defeating the Pokemon and be able to capture it as well.
I get your point, but it does raise the question of what about when trainers recall their fainted Pokemon? I suppose you could say in the games they automatically return to the Pokeball, or even that with periodic hosting of the Pokemon they are able to maintain a charge. I wonder if that means a caught Pokemon can stay away from its Pokeball long enough that it loses its bind.
In some of the more recent games, when you've fainted a legendary, you're prompted with a response that's something like "It ran away." We also know that fainted pokemon aren't necessarily knocked out since they can still use HM moves. I propose that fainted wild pokemon simply retreat into the grass (or sink beneath the waves or hide behind a rock or whatever). That's why you can't catch fainted pokemon. I'd love it, if in future games, you could catch fainted pokemon if you had something that kept them from fleeing, such as Arena Trap or Shadow Tag or Wrap.
It's part of game mechanic. Since you leave the battle screen when the fight is over it makes you have to catch them before they are fainted.
I lost it at "Now throw rocks at that bull pokemon and wake up in the hospital, and wonder why you have a second butt hole"
I prefer the theory that pokemon must allow themselves to be captured and when fainted they cannot do this
Interesting theory, though it's all really just idea crafting. There's little to no evidence to support this, nor did you offer any. SO this idea of pokemon having a "Digital Signature" seems far fetched. Yes, Pokemon are given a number when they're caught, but the number they are given is not unique. It is the ID number of the trainer that caught them. Trainers are given an ID when they start out, and given that you have to be a trainer in order to purchase Pokeballs, it seems likely that trainers have to present their ID to show them as legal purchasers, and like purchasing a gun, the pokeballs are registered under that trainer. So the Trainer ID number that's displayed alongside the pokemon is more likely stored locally in the Pokeball's memory and not encoded into the contained pokemon in any way.What's far more likely is the dark concept that pokemon that 'faint' are actually killed. There's far more evidence to support this, especially when considering the Pokemon Origins mini series and the Pokemon manga. pokemon die in the manga, Haunter as you said used explosion to prevent it's capture, which killed the pokemon. There have been several scenes where a pokemon has been killed in battle, such as Charmeleon slicing Arbok in half. This is what happens when a Pokemon is 'fainted'. To a lesser degree, a pokemon can be severely injured to the point where it can't continue to battle, and the trainer must make the hard decision of recalling the pokemon, or watching it die as the opponent continues to wail on it. THis is depicted perfectly in Pokemon Origins, where Red's Charmander is getting it's face gnawed on by Squirtle, writhing and screaming in agony while red watches on. Red had to swallow his pride and recall his Charmander before any permanent damage could be done. So pokemon death can happen. In the wild, a pokemon dies when the trainer inflicts too much damage on it. Because it's 'fainted' aka dead, there is no point in capturing it. In a trainer battle, a trainer who refuses to call back their pokemon in a battle, or fail to have it properly tended to at a pokemon center in a timely manner after suffering greivous injury, can result in a pokemon death. This is why places like the Pokemon Tower exist.The only reason why the video games and the show do not normally depict pokemon in this way, is because it was designed for children. Pokemon gets a bad enough rap as a dogfighting ring, where you pit animals against each other and make them fight for their owner's profit. Now add in the countless slaughter of wild animals for no other purpose than to get better at at a competitive sport. At least the manga and Origins was more candid about how Pokemon actually works.
You know what i think is really interesting, though? In the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series, you actually DO make pokemon completely faint so have them join your team. Once you kill them they'll magically pop back alive and ask you join your team. Should you accept with a spare slot in your party, they'll join you with full health! This really has nothing to do with the main series or the pokeball, just an interesting idea that gamefreak has put into pokemon itself.
I can lighten your mind pretty easy if you could capture fainted pokemon in the game then where is the challenge in the game if you can capture them even the legendary then you would complete the pokedex in under one day if you had a day of and accomplish a ton of other things in the games I like the challenge of lowering the energy as much as possible when trying you have to think about what move and how much damage it does is it strong or weak against your opponent ( wild pokemon ) and think of how much hp it has before attacking and a bunch of other things
I think I know the answer, if a pokemon faints and you try to capture it, the method of turning it into energy is too risky on the pokemon, it could lead to you killing them. I suppose you could try and risk it, but odds would be against you if you tried. Thats my theory anyway
Interesting take on it, but there's a few flaws with this theory: the first coming to mind being that in the anime, Ash catches Pokemon that have been fainted. There's actually quite a bit of gameplay that contradicts the anime, but that aside, Nintendo really should fix the no catching Faints rule. I've always figured they added it to make it harder to catch Pokemon, which you mentioned as well, but instances like traditional Safari Zone were quite a pain. I never understood the sense in rock throwing myself. At least Bait had SOME sense to it...
As for the Pokemon not recognizing their Trainers for catching during a Faint and disobeying, Charizard actually CHOSE Ash to be its Trainer back when it was Charmander, so that really had nothing to do with it. It literally jumped into Ash's Pokeball. Aside from in the movie with Mewtwo, Pokeballs don't typically break when a Pokemon capture fails, either, as seen in the anime. The ball simply floats back to the Trainer's palm (funny, since if it works and catches the Pokemon, it just sits on the ground). The no-D.S. theory seems a bit far-fetched because Pokemon HAVE been captured while fainted in the show, and recognized their Trainers forevermore. In fact, other than Caterpie, I can't think of a time when a (battled) Pokemon that WASN'T fainted was caught in the show. If the Pokemon awoke in the ball after a knock-out catch, I imagine the D.S. would generate and bind at that point. Sure, it may resent the Trainer, but many captured without being fainted do anyway.
I'm probably forgetting some aspect of innermost game workings, but what did you mean in the part about the Masterball "catch any Pokemon, except for having that 0.001% chance"? And who or what is Black Fog? Is that a nickname for a "hidden" Pokemon like the "Ghost" of Red/Blue? I haven't read any Pokemon manga, so just curious.
As for Venom's second question, I believe he's talking about when Ash threw Pikachu's ball at it to recall it, rather than doing the traditional "hold your arm out, let the beam of light zap and absorb the Pokemon" method. You actually show this around 3:37 or so in this vid.
I really didn't mean to write so much, but this has been on my mind since game one. XD
Was i the only one to notice that when he showed the R from team Rocket in the middle you saw Meowth and Persian. Probably just a coincidence but still!
I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. Digital signature being gone simply from fainting? And the brilliant scientists that made these pokeballs couldn't even use DNA to give them a signature instead of some waking health points that are not even canon (only in the games). No, I think the reason is simply that pokemon you capture in game and in the manga WANTS to get caught by a good trainer. That's why you have to battle it first, to prove that you are worthy. They appear out of nowhere and attack you, but why? Are all pokemon to ever scratch the surface of the pokemon world naturally aggressive? I don't think so.
Here is what I think. It's not the signature that matters. It is important for storing and swapping pokemon, but not for capturing. Pokemon are energy based creatures which assume phisical form as their higher energy state. Pokeballs were designed to keep pokemon at lower energy state,when they can be compresssed for better mobility of a trainer. When you battle pokemon, you drain it's energy, no mater what type it is. You can't do any real damage to Muk or any ghost pokemon or Ditto, because there is nothing to damage, but they can be defeated and caught when their energy is low. Pokeball can handle only so much before overloading and releasing pokemon that still has too much hp(energy). That's why you can't catch fainted pokemon. It's HP is mostly intact at that time. Also, I think energy limit comes from size of a pokeball. Make one big enough, and you could catch Articuno with your eyes shut. But let's face it, no one would want to haul 6 beach balls on their backs.
1:39 "Team Rocket sells Pokemon to kids who are dead with X's over their eyes" . . . Well why the Hell would people buy something without inspecting the merchandise first?
These kids must be stupid. Team Rocket could sell them nine Magikarps clamming they're Eevee and all eight of Eevee's evolved forms.
Should've mentioned the episode "Primape goes bananas" here. Thats the kind of thing pokemons would do if captured while fainted.
Suddenly being in an unknown place and called out by someone you don't know to fight for you, Primape knows how to deal with this ;)
It's a great theory, and great work.. but it begs the follow-up question: If a pokémon doesn't produce enough energy to have a digital frequency when fainted, how come you retrieve the pokémon into the pokéball after they've fainted in battle?
I think its mostly a game feature added to actually give pokémon games any type of challenge to them.
Another theory of mine is that its simply not a fair way to catch pokémon. To not give them a chance to struggle, *Ignoring the Master ball* and break free of their balls. If you knew you could just go all out against any legendary pokémon it would make the game less interesting...
simple, they're too wounded, without a trainer to call them back they fight to the end, only legendary pokemon know when to fight and when to flee, and a trainer's pokemon is taught their limits and probably pretend to faint (like a possum playing dead to survive a predator encounter) so they can recover and continue to live, the only exceptions I can think of being gardevoir, aegislash, and kangaskhan. (the kid at risk)
This theory opens up the concept of storage it takes to store a pokemon. Based on what you said with energy, it would be that the more health a pokemon has, the more data it has.
With the continued enhancement of pokeballs, i would expect pokeballs that allow for multiple pokemon within them to be a thing, once the digital storage of them becomes increased.
I suspect this is a risk factor. If you threw a pokeball containing 3 pokemon and then then the pokemon you are trying to capture breaks the ball, it could cause harm to the other pokemon inside. With that said. I would still think people would of attempted this.
-Folix
A much simpler answer could be that when a pokemon in the wild runs out of hp it doesn't really faint but that's the point where it basically says "I'm screwed" and flees. So a wild pokemon's hp could represent it's will to battle more than it's ability to stay conscious. Plus several times in the anime you can see a pokemon appear to be fainted just before it's caught
Master ball: 0.000000001% chance of failing, hahahahhahah*starts sobbing*
I WAS THAT .000000001%!!!!
***** the emerald deoxys. From the event.
Gaming Master Anthony happened to me with shiny ho-oh
Gaming Master Anthony my brother had it happen to him, but I have never seen it.
I have to disagree. I believe in the anime it may be possible to capture fainted pokemon. For the games I would have to say because when encountered a pokemon is generated by the game and when it faints and has no pokeball to return to it's data (or life) is returned back to its source. Thus in game fainted pokemon no longer exist because their data is erased, also explaining the lack of bodies all over the routes. So pokeballs allow that pokemon a safe place to store it's data when it faints, therefore N is wrong lol
Proto says that some guy had a theory that if a fainted pokemon were to wake up in a pokeball it wouldn't know how it got there and burst out, so then why can a pokemon be caught permanently while sleeping? DEBUNKED
You make some very good points in this, it was something I never really had thought about and it makes a lot of sense, it would also coincide with the lottery aspect of some of the games. However, you tend to repeat things quite a bit making your videos much longer than they need to be, which can make people disinterested.
pokemon are everything but digital... in the anime it is clear that all of ash's pokemon are staying at Oak's house because when they are videochatting you often see krabby or muk or something...
I’m pretty sure that a Pokémon would still have energy since it’s still alive whenever you faint it. Even if it was dead it would still have energy stored in its body waiting to be used by plants.
In the manga, It's explained that to capture a pokémon, you must target it's life force. When it is fainted, it's life force it too weak to be targeted by the ball.
no. the reason is, pokemon choose to be captured out of deference to their trainers. it is simply impossible to capture a pokemon that hasn't deemed you worthy as it's trainer, and a fainted pokemon cannot make that decision. the end result is the same though. a pokemon captured fainted would simply escape the pokeball or refuse to return to it upon it's next release.
what if the science of a pokeball wouldnt allow a fainted pokemon to eb caught. i think it could be ran on the level of friendship that the pokemon has for the owner if it can feel its spirit of the trainer. thus why the pokeball rotates that way its a measuring system of the friendship or stuff like that idk that would be a reasonable explanation.
i dont think theres a reason to be honest i just think the people making the game decided if you could catch them when they fainted it would be too easy of a game especially when it came to legendary pokemon and they couldnt really say the pokemon broke free because the pokemon had fainted how could it break free
Something cheesy like pokemon trainers are supposed to prove their strength to the pokemon and obtain the pokemon's acknowledgement of that strength so that it will willingly be captured by the trainer?
Actually in some episodes of pokemon Ash made the pokemon faint before catching it... that is only in the games when if the pokemon faints the battle is over and the pokemon magically disappears.
Do you have a video on why sleeping Pokemon can escape capture? To my mind, the only Pokemon who should be able to do this is Abra.
I reckon the shock of going from unconscious in the wild to awake in the poke ball would kill it from shock. when it has been in one before, it recognises the surroundings and is completely fine
But... Pokemon can still be picked up by their trainer's pokeballs after they faint. How does that work with your theory?
Wait, so if they have no digital signature when fainted. What stops them from escaping when you use them in battle and they faint? Please respond!
I'd say like anything, if you haven't won it's respect it could be a bad idea to catch a fainted pokemon for moral and humane reasons.
That explains why you can catch them while they're asleep because they still have energy.
Any blow hard enough to render a creature unconscious is hard enough to potentially cause brain damage or death. You can't capture fainted Pokémon because they're dead.
+Steampunk Papercut Pokemon battles. A Fight till the DEATH!. Hi i murdered all the pokemon of the Elite Four.
2:46 I shit you not that the 0.0001% chance *COUGH* actually happened to me...
Legends Arceus and some old sourc e books form earlier generaitons suggest it'sbecause they shrink down to a size that's too small to be detected.
4:25 but Proto, Pokemon don't have an ID, only trainers do! All Pokemon captured by that trainer will have that ID!
lol I laughed so hard at the second butthole joke. Believe it or not i have been gored by a bison and it in fact tore me a new one. I connected with that joke on a personal level lol.
it's to dangerous to walk into tall grass without any pokemon at the safari zone they take away your pokemon and give you rocks, mud and bait
The real reason: they were intended to die in the first game. Fainting was introduced later, yet the mechanics remained. Hence, the problem.
maybe when the pokemon is weak enough it submits to being capture, but when its fainted it still hasn't submitted and will break free when it is revived
if they faint and have no digital signature so cant go into a pokeball.
why can you return fainted pokemon to the balls.
I think the process which binds a pokemon to a pokeball (that's why you can't switch pokeballs because they're somehow bound to it) is taxing on a pokemon/pokemons body so capturing a fainted pokemon risks killing it. Once bound a trainer can return a fainted pokemon to it's pokeball because it doesn't have to go through that process again.
Oh hey I have that same theory too
Why isnt it possible to catch a fainted pokemon, but fly, surf etc. on/with fainted pokemon?
Just a small thing but around 1:30 the middle of the big r us around meowth and Persian, two team rocket Pokémon
But proto what about eggs they have no hp so how can they be deposited in the pc?? Surely this disproves your theory???
this is over thinking. imagine how easy the pokemon games would be if you could catch them fainted.
my theory is that the pokeball prevents it that there is some sort of tech in it that just says no when trying to catch a fainted one
I think it is because it doesn't have the energy to turn into the white or red gas to come in and out of the ball 👌🏻
If your captured pokemon fainted in battle, how would its digital signiture be read?
But Ash caught a rice ball. Also items can be used as storage device as in game.
Well in the games, when you find a pokeball holding an item, a pokeball can also be an itemball, but no one can explain why people can't keep the ball.
Furball the Raichu and Pikoo the Pikachu awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=040411 This will probably explain it lol
But Proto, remember when Ash caught a whole herd of Tauros how was that possible??
It would make catching pokemon too easy. That's why.
However, in the anime episode in which Ash catches his Palpitoad, he catches it after it has fainted.