Tips & Ideas For Two Guitarists Playing Together - That Pedal Show
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
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In this episode we take a gentle stroll through some of the issues you might face with two guitars in the band. This is an almost endless topic so we’re starting with the basic stuff.
We’ve all been there with volume struggles, tones not working together, poor definition of parts… and worse than all of that: not knowing what to do about it. So Dan and I talk through some ideas that may help, before indulging in some petit jammagé. Where the gremlins begin…
SORRY ABOUT THE DEAD CAMERAS
We had a whoopsie-daisy with cameras, losing media from two cards. Arrrrggggg!!!!
Before the cameras die, Mick’s guitar is panned slightly left; Dan’s slightly right.
During the jams Mick goes right and Dan left because that makes sense when you’re looking at our pedalboards. We didn't edit the jams so they are a bit meandering. Only one take, obviously. We left it all in as the sounds are interesting.
WHAT ABOUT THE BACKING TRACKS?
I used the Drummer in Logic to create grooves. Then called up the loop library in and dragged in bass parts. During the filming it was playing from my laptop over our PA, enabling Dan and I to jam over. I then simply put the tracks underneath the show audio, lined it up, and did a basic mix.
Enjoy the episode, we hope it helps spark some ideas and inspiration.
Pedals & stuff in this episode…
Dan’s board:
• Schmidt Array SA525 Board
www.schmidtarray.com/sa525
• Sonic Research ST-300 Turbo Tuner Mini
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Australia: bit.ly/2mR1s8c
• JAM Pedals Rattler
www.jampedals.com/rattler/
• Analog Man Mini Bad Bob Booster
www.buyanalogman.com/Analog_Ma...
• Fredric Effects Dresden Synth Fuzz
www.fredric.co.uk/dresden-synt...
• Boss VB-2w Waza Craft Vibrato
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2j1ZyQf
USA: bit.ly/3yhYOOq
Australia: bit.ly/2zeZWWx
• Hartman Analog Flanger
No longer made
• Keeley D&M Drive
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USA: bit.ly/3E2Eqmw
Australia: bit.ly/2pUDUAE
• Analog Man King Of Tone
www.analogman.com
• Analog Man ARDX 20 Dual Analog Delay & Amazeo
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• Red Panda Tensor
Australia: bit.ly/2URKYlb
• TC Electronic Sub’N’Up
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Australia: bit.ly/2ZzUb0r
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
Mick’s board
• Schmidt Array SA525 Board
www.schmidtarray.com/sa525
• Boss TU-3S Tuner
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USA: bit.ly/3rcyZO7
Australia: bit.ly/2Li9A0Y
• Analog Man Sun Face BC183 Fuzz
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• Mythos Pedals Argo Octave Fuzz
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Australia: bit.ly/2UTfbR3
• The Massive Secret
No info yet
• Kingtone The Duellist
www.kingtoneguitar.com/produc...
• Klon Centaur
No longer made
• Boss DC-2w Dimension C
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USA: bit.ly/2KEE1gi
Australia: bit.ly/2CQ9IhY
• Dawner Prince Boonar
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2lXzfON
• Analog Man ARDX 20 Dual Analog Delay & Amazeo
www.buyanalogman.com/category...
• Neo Instruments Mini Vent II
USA: imp.i114863.net/4V6k9
www.neo-instruments.de/en
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing - now that’s a lot of modulation! 00:00
- What are doing today? 3:35
- Our pedalboards and amps: 6:56
- A funky choppy example: 8:25
- Unison guitar? 12:30
- Different chord voicing… and then a capo: 16:30
- Inversions and voicing without a capo: 22:40
- Back to unison for gain structure chat: 25:44
- EQ & frequency, fat and thin…: 33:28
- …and thin and fat: 38:00
- Introducing effects to rhythm tones: 41:00
- Movement with modulation in rhythm parts: 44:57
- Volume problems: 49:25
- Jamming over backing tracks: 53:19
Guitars in this episode:
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
Amps:
• Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III with standard speaker - No longer made, link to latest version
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USA: imp.i114863.net/dd4XM
• Sovtek MIG-50 with Custom Bob Burt 1x12/Celestion Alnico Cream speaker
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This could be the single most important video band guitarists should watch.
I agree 100%.
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I say keep the “practical application” topics coming....
...yes jam context of a sound for two or more instruments playing at the same time.
Main camera hates flangers. Close camera hates playing to backing tracks. Pedal cam likes pedals. Be like pedal cam.
Thanks for posting this despite the camera drop outs - this is super handy to send to people as a reference. :)
Change of pace idea for a TPS show or Vlog: What physical preparations do you take to get ready for a generic gig? i.e. how many guitars? why? how many amps? heads? combos? why? which pedals? how many cables, mikes, power cords, stands, extra strings, picks, batteries? do you bring tools along? med kit? cases? wheeled carriers? In what order do you pack all this in your vehicle? why? I'm sure there are important questions I don't even know to ask! I've done less that a dozen gigs and I'm sure I could learn a lot from such a video!
Honestly, there is at least one person in every band that needs this video, regardless of the instrument. Thank you for putting it out despite the technical difficulties. This channel should be mandatory curriculum for guitar players. The content is priceless.
You said it! I was seeing them in my mind as I watched lol!
I was in a band with 3 guitarists for a long time. We usually split our parts as such: one played lows and root-chords, another played mid-ranged notes and the third played in the higher range. I was the root-chord guitarist and eventually switched to baritone guitar to add even more range and possibilities. We also spent a lot of time thinking about our sound to make sure our instruments didn't clash or fight with one another (and with the bass).
@Pat Flanigan - I tried baritone and didn't like it, but I did wonder how it would fit in if the band also had a bassist.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 Baritone gives you an extra couple of notes that neither Bass nor Guitar have (when playing their typical range). It's just a matter of writing good parts that have that instrumentation in mind.
@Pat Flanigan - Can you think of an example of a band that uses bass, standard and baritone guitar? I vaguely recall seeing one on Audiotree, but I can't remember their name.
Patrick Fitzgerald Hate to plug my own stuff, but look up Horsedog on Apple Music or Spotify. The frist 3 songs of the album have bass, baritone and guitar.
Patrick Fitzgerald o’brother is a good example on audiotree and they SLAP!
In the Eagles, Don Felder and Joe Walsh always used one humbucker guitar and one single coil to differentiate their stage sound.
Lynyrd Skynyrd differentiated their sound by using guitars featuring Humbuckers, Mini Humbuckers and Single Coils in their three “Guitar Army”.
...and Thin Lizzy said let's all use Les Pauls lol
Although, Brian had PAF equipped Lester and Scott had mini humbuckers in his.
@@TheBlaggers-uv7vc ...that's a good point - I noticed Gorham had smaller humbuckers.
Also, Mr Gorham used a modded 50 watt Marshall. Whilst Robbo used a straight hundred watt Marshall and a colorsound wah. Just a wah, but he sounded great.
Guys, jamming over these loops with drums and bass is the absolutely best way to show us how the pedals really sound. I found that super interesting and there were quite a few sounds that would have been meh on their own and sounded awesome in the mix. For example, I always hated tremolo, but in the context it sounded really good. Please do more of that! Cheers, thanks for a great episode.
I’m diggin’ that Keeley D&M drive, I think you should try it more. It’s got you two written all over it! 😉
Ha ha... I see what you did there... 😉
Yep I to am seriously thinking about getting one!
I can't recommend the band Television enough if you're into bands with dual guitarists. Tom and Richards guitar work is mindblowing, especially on Marquee Moon.
& Days on Adventure
Exactly what I was thinking when he discussion turned towards complementary parts/arrangements. Other great examples for me are Blind Melon and INXS (how's that for variety!)
Most definitely!!
RIP Tom 😪
I love the fact that even though this is a gear-oriented show, the first thing you demonstrated and explained is the fact that what you play is by far the most important thing.
Reminds me of a time, quite some years ago, when I got invited to join a band for a practice session, to add some electric guitar rhythm and lead to their songs. The band had an acoustic guitar (amped up), a cello, a thumping bass player, a loud drummer and a slightly screechy singer. They said "we will play a couple of songs and you can join in". When they finished playing, I hadn't played a note and was staring at them with bewilderment. When they asked why I hadn't joined in, as politely as I could, I explained that there just wasn't any sonic room left for my guitar.
Great upload as always, with lots of good info. Cheers.
When I think of a two guitar band with interesting, interlocking parts, the first band to come to mind is Television. Both Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine were terrific.
David Ewing absolutely agree, same here. Also Luna with the interplay between dean wareham and Sean Eden
Adam Swenson does also bring to mind the blue aeroplanes with their ridiculous numbers of guitarists at once 😂 or the feelies with two drummers
Absolutely. That first album is on my "Desert Island" list.
Absolutely, there's also some chaps called the Rolling Stones (thinking of later years with Woods & Keef for an economy of parts that interlock). Los Lobos is another band that does the interlocking thing very well.
We have to mention Sonic Youth. The influence of Television and the early punk/post-punk bands led to SY breaking new ground in terms of what two guitarists can achieve.
HEROICALLY LOUD has to be a t shirt
yes! love that with a slight caricature of Dan's face while saying it
Well that’s what experience, professionalism, and artistic determination get you - when the wheels fall off, the wagon keeps rolling; what’s more you’ve both put your monies where your mouths are and ably, more than ably, played/practiced what you’ve just preached. Along with many others here I would gladly listen to you two jamming along like this for some long time yet. I hope that when you’re together with the good people of Drums, Bass, Keys & Vox that you give yourselves the opportunity to do more of the same. Artistic fulfilment that way lies. Keep up the sterling work boys - WE LOVE IT!!!!!
Ah man, thank you Matthew!
That Pedal Show you really are welcome. TPS is an absolute joy, week after week. You two have an excellent, informative, watchable style of presenting information that, whilst ostensibly niche, is ultimately about making music, and making it better. And we love it. Even my wife, who doesn’t play guitar but is happy that I do, enjoys your “content” because it is so well presented. And that’s down to you two.
The churning guitar sounds of the Tragically Hip are worth checking out. The hip are popular in Canada. Moderate success in the USA. I am not sure if they got much play in the UK. Great lyrics as well.
53:15 As a video professional, let me say. I’m there with you. Just like playing in a band, it seems with shooting there are times when things all go wrong. No reason. And, it doesn’t matter how “professional” you are ... in fact, the more “professional” you are, the bigger the chance you’ll have a session where all the equipment goes on strike. If it’s never happened to you, you haven’t done it long enough. As the man whose never done it before says “Well, that wouldn’t happen to me!” Great show...it is the highlight of my week!
I'm in a two-guitar band for the past decade, and deal with these issues all the time - the volume wars, the 'same-ness' of both guitars. Since the other guitarist was used to being the only one, his sound is loud, with lots of bass and reverb, so I've learned to have more midrange, less bass and less reverb. He's more of a strummer, so I play more muted parts, and higher up the neck. We both play Fender single coil guitars normally, but I've found that we don't fight each other as much tonally when I switch to a humbucker, such as a Gretsch or Les Paul.
I play in a two strat player band. This is where I learned that the other player rarely uses the middle pickup and I started using it to sit in the mix more. Now I love that pick up and just live there most of the time. Also helps that I play a Princeton and he plays an AC15 with complimentary pedalboards. Lots of confirmation of my own findings in this video. The learning videos are always my favorite even if I know the lesson.
Techniques like this are what made Johnny Marr so great. He was the master of layering different parts.
Amen to that. Soooo good at that and such an awesome geezer too. Love Johnny.
Your finest ever show. And that is a very very high bar. I jam with another guitarists all the time and thought I had an ok idea of how to do it. This is genius. So much to consider and digest. Will bear many watchings I suspect.
Agreed, couldn’t help but remind me of Star Wars??? Jedi Master and his aspiring Padawan! ObiDAN CANKNOWITALL and MICK Stratwalker if you know what I mean? Think I better check what’s in my coffee...
But you’re right what a superb episode.
I love seeing all the positive comments on here. Honestly, reading the kind words and helpful suggestions is almost part of the channel. It says a lot about Dan and Mick that people are contributing in a constructive way. Keep it up guitarists! And I for one and thankful for Dan and Mick's hard work.
"You are part of the guitar...onslaught".Right on, brother,; glad they still speak & teach English somewhere in the world.
Oooh DAN! There's a music shop on Waiheke Island that has a Crowded House toured AC30 in its flight case for sale at the moment. If you're interested...
Many of Bowie's songs are good examples of how to use two or more guitars. Ronson used different inversions and voicings for tracking different parts, as did Slick and Alomar.
Yes Mick locked in better than anyone with Bowie in my opinion and not just in terms of guitar.
Please do something similar with humbuckers or mix humbuckers and single coils. Great episode here!
If one of you has HBs and the other singlecoils, that's half of the work already done for you. ;-)
Camera failure actually forced more focused listening instead of trying to take in the visual as well. I found that helpful to be honest. The downside to UA-cam is that something has been forgotten about the fact that music is mainly an audible experience. I guess I am guilty of forgetting this myself. This video has turned out to be quite serendipitous for me really.
I've been playing mainly in 2 guitar, heavy rock and metal bands for most of my playing career so far. Usually both guitarists are playing the same part for a sort of live double tracked effect, so I've spent most of my career trying to make 2 EQs compliment each other. Recently got a gig in a one guitar band, and suddenly it's a completely different approach I need
I'm glad to hear that even someone as good as Mick struggles with harmonic playing, since I find it quite difficult.
Jerry Harrison Talking Heads was brilliant at the 2nd guitar parts..watch Stop Making Sense DVD, him and Alex Weir.. magical. Never got in each other’s way.
One of the best performances ever! All around amazing music
I’ve gotta say the “forced pod cast” was an awesome outcome for the reason that it really focused me the listener on the sounds that you had talked about at the head of the video, and the backing tracks worked fantastically well... awesome show gents
Excellent show as always gents. I'd love to see a follow up about fitting in with a band, possibly even with a keyboard player.
Also, I managed to learn masses about inversions, voicings and other theory by forcing myself to either play in a certain area of the neck for a song, limiting the strings I use or a combination of both.
It really helped me get out of the way of the other musicians.
Loved this, thank you. Another fairly obvious but incredibly useful tool is to always record yourselves. It’s too easy to only listen to your own playing in practice, especially if you’re all next to your own amps. Listening back to a recording allows you to really hear what might not be obvious in the room at the time. Keep up the fantastic work guys.
It's amazing how well these two get along. Guitar players are always trying to one up one another and it doesn't show with these guys.
Life's too short to play with douchebags. So much more fun to play (and sounds better) when it's not a competition.
19:34 - one guitar capo'ed -- my absolute favourite example of this: Storyville, Good Day for the Blues, with David Grissom (PRS, 'natch) with capo at 5th fret, David Holt (Strat) open strings. Just wonderful - there's plenty of examples on UA-cam; the Austin City Limits version is pretty fine!
Brilliant. This is why I watch this show. Thanks, guys.
seeing these pedalboards in action and in context is priceless, very useful
Dope video, guys. Thanks for this.
Dan, my man, when are those highly antecipated fancy-chord lessons coming out?
Cheers
It’s happening Ricardo :)
@@ThatPedalShow Cool, mate! Thanks a lot!
YES! Yes! Yes! The show we’ve been waiting for for ages. Any time you two play together (and I emphasise PLAY not “jam” or “trade licks”) then this is what inspires us to express ourselves too and in this case how much fun it is to do it with a friend.
44:13 welp... that solo intro lick was all I needed to hear to add the Vent to my long pedal list
I am only 2:30 into this one and already feel like I got my money's worth. Really great playing. I could listen to it all day.
Holy smokes that intro jam was epic! Well done gents - absolutely fantastic.
I Agree. So Melodic. Great choice of notes. It's not all about speed-Shredding. Love that type of playing.
Took me a long time to understand where my guitar sat frequency wise in the band. So many gigs being told I couldn't hear you. Pedal after pedal until I realised I was competing for frequency with the bass. Sorted now and the music is all the better for it. Really interesting video. Thanks.
1:03:25 Dan goes Yeeeaahh!!! Love it!
just want to mention that The National is AMAZING when it comes to combining two guitars
"It isn't all about the guitar, but it should be!" Love that line
Yes!!! Bring Dave onto the show. Possibly a 12 string episode? My all time favorite
Every guitarist sound checks with his/her guitar on 9! Surely!!! I always do!!!
Affirmative! Maybe 8. /0)
Great video. My bug bear is seeing ( and being in) amateur or semi pro bands where the song is intro then everyone in piles in and chugs along to the end. Makes you realise that part of being more professional is having the confidence to play nothing at times.
I Can't thank these guys enough!!!! They have helped me grow & and expand my understanding as a guitar player!!!
Hi Dan Hi Mick it’s Koen here from Sauble Beach Ontario Canada. I will always love your videos and your channel. It has really inspired me to learn more about the pedal world. By the way I just wanted to say that ever since I got them, my main 5 pedals out of all the pedals on my board have been the Timeline, Mobius, D&M Drive, Keeley Aria, and the FullTone Plimsoul and I haven’t changed those out since. I’ve had the D&M and the Aria since they came out and I’ve have had the Plimsoul for 3 years. The Mobius I got in November of 2018 and the Timeline I’ve had for a month. Just wanted to say how you guys and That Pedal Show actually means to me. Thanks guys and keep rocking. 😄✌🏻
Gentlemen, what about nashville tuning for one of the guitars? Dave Gregory on the 12 string made me think about it. another splendid show leading to ( hopefully) better questions.
Wow, that intro jam took me to nonphysical places. Places I needed to go, thankyou!
This was a great video, it reminded me of Pedal Show at it’s best, taking time to discuss something that everything thinks that they probably *should* know... but would never like to ask out loud.
Whilst Mick waxed lyrical about volume, it reminded me of something important that I don’t think gets discussed enough. Matching amps (and their volume/headroom) to venue size. I recently saw Joey Landreth at a teenie venue in the UK (*really* tiny... pretty much as tiny as you can be as a venue and still fit a drum kit). God bless him, he rocked up with a Two-Rock and a Victory stack, and drowned the room out. God bless him, he was on tour in a foreign country so it’s not like he could turn up and suddenly switch to an AC15 or Blues Jr. But anyway, his setup was too gargantuan for the small 4 walls around him, and the room-sized PA struggled to match the output he was generating, He had to fit (Tetris-style) around his amps and fought feedback throughout the set. He was fab anyway, but I didn’t half feel sorry for him. Anyway, I’ve seen guys turn up at the same bonsai-club before with small 5-10 watt tweed combos that have sounded massive - but in all the right ways - because the room was the right size to get the tubes cooking without causing a sonic boom. Anyway, enjoyed the vid, top stuff,
Ah weird. I saw him in Witney and it was great! Just the right volume. And then last night in Guildford nowhere near loud enough. Weird!
And here I am, on my way to find my jam buddy, the Looper pedal. 🙃
The JILL of guitar pedals
Even with the camera problems... still worth every minute.
I play each week in a church. It's been a recent revelation to try to have unique and sympathetic harmonic voicing between two acoustics, rhythmic awareness between the guitar and piano, register awareness between piano left hand and bass guitar, and locked in bass, drums and guitar. Above all, the vocals - in fact, the "crowd" (congregation) - must be supported by the whole band. This is a very useful and insightful video. Thanks again guys!!!
i played with another guitarist, who ALWAYS hit his LOUD button as soon as I did a solo. in a one guitar band now :D
Your comments regarding volume problems: all the gigs I've done have gone better when we've had a conversation with the sound engineer about where sounds sit, what should be louder and quieter, what's more important and less important, etc. I play guitar in a 2 piece electronic band. We have a complex sound and setup, and every gig we've done that's gone WELL, we've talked to the engineer, they know what we're going to sound like, they know what we're trying to do and (where possible) let us do our thing. Whenever we've not had that conversation, the gig has ALWAYS gone terribly - they don't know what we're doing, and don't know how to mix for it.
I've also been on the other side of this equation as the engineer - when I knew what the band wanted and how they were trying to construct their sound, I was able to facilitate that better. When the band didn't tell me what they were trying to do, I would get heavy handed, trying to pull it back to a place where I felt I had maximum control.
I suppose what I'm saying is: it's about trust. You, as the guitarist/musician, need to be confident that the engineer will let you do your thing, and the engineer has to trust that you know what you're doing.
Of course, it all falls apart if you *don't* know what you're doing......
PS: as always - great show, good topic, well covered, with some really helpful and useful ideas. 👍
Brave and important focus on the relationship between musicians. Since a lot of us use the guitar instead of words to express emotions, it is essential to take time and accually communicate to position ourself from the knowledge that we are 50% of every relationship, even with a so called "lead" guitarist. Sometimes "shut up and play yer guitar" is a great advice, sometime it is dead terrible".
Where was this video 20 years ago ? :o) Probably the most informative and usefull video ever for anybody starting to play in a band. Even that some things were not new to me (after all i've been around for some decades), to condensate so much usefull info in 1h, its simply amazing. Congratulations and thanks a lot.
The Clash, The Cult, Allman Bros., Grateful Dead, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Smashing Pumpkins, Tom Petty and Heartbreakers, are just a few off the top of my head, that have a distinctive two guitar sound, both in studio and live.
Even though the video screwed up. I do love the touch of using your graphics lit up when speaking and actually seeing your boards when playing. Some proper lemonade out of lemons stuff here.
OMG, I just found an old video of Dan on the analogman page where he is showing how he sets his OD pedals. Dan with no glasses and long hair looking wild!! Video washed out & kind of resembles the Bigfoot photos. love it! I think it might be Dan's evil twin! :)
This is great for us playing with a looper aswell! Even more so, since you rarely change guitars between parts!
Geirmund, I was thinking the same thing
The let's just change voice using a capo is a killer trick- thanks guys!
Best video ever. Now how do i get the other guitarist in the band to watch it and sign on to the principles of "sharing the space" without yet another argument? Thanks guys as always
Hey guys, I really enjoyed seeing the pedal cam during your jamming. It was super interesting to see what you were engaging and how you were tweaking on the fly. Way to make lemonade out of lemons!
I really dig this kinda content, I personally don't care which version of TS a specific player used or what diodes are in a fuzz. It just comes down to serving the song and having fun with it. Great job fellas!
You guys need to record some more songs with the TPS band!! Those jams with the backing tracks were awesome! I could imagine myself driving around at night blasting those tunes!! Loved them!!
Dan’s pedalboard?!! Did I miss an episode?
Am I ever glad the audio is recorded separate from the video, this information helps me out greatly when playing with other guitarists. I would like to add that the playing with backing tracks was ace.
When Dan walks from the V - I @ 44:12, the right side of my face dropped. Involuntary "blues" palsy!
When sound engineers ask for my loudest tone, I give them my crunchy rhythm tone. Never ever ever give them the volume boosted lead tone. I've found that rarely do you peak the channel later when hitting the lead boost and if it does, the mix is such that it's really not audible. Not ideal but helps get past the micromanaging sound guy.
Me too!!
What a great show, you two were on fire! It would be great to see you jam together more often, as it sounds ace and also great to hear these concepts demonstrated in this context. Right on chaps!
"both of you may want to sit off a part..." ha I love the way you play and talk.
I applaud Dan & Micks indulgence into this very sensitive topic when it comes to two equally talented guitar players having to work together for the benefit of the band and the music, which is really what the end result should be all about. Lots of useful tips and tricks in creating that '2 guitar wall of sound' while not intruding into each other's musical boundaries. I'm from the generation where 2 guitar bands were very abundant - P. Green's Fleetwood Mac , Allman Brothers, Wishbone Ash, Atlanta Rhythm Section, Outlaws, Thin Lizzy - Listening to them , you can learn a lot. There's a lost art in it's subtleties.
Dynamics: mogwai are my kings. Like Herod or Mogwai fear Satan. Near silence in a gig to total noise in heartbeat. Love this show x
Wow! That jam at the end was bloody amazing. More please!
Once again Mick showing off his melodic flare! Also, I know an obvious gag...nice to see Dan and Mick playing with each other!
2 things finally happened: 1. You guys gazed at shoes at the beginning 2. The literally became That Pedal Show, and the pedals were happy
It has always been so that recorded sounds, not only guitar, when heard in isolation sound entirely different from how they sound in the mix.
A good example of this is the famous Clapton “Beano” guitar sound, actually numerous guitar sounds. Witnesses at the session and EC himself have said that, to the best of their recollection (a serious problem- see below) the sound of EC’s guitar heard directly from the amps’ speakers during the recording were continually altered, often quite radically, as the processes that go into the making of a record progressed and ultimately bore little similarity (for better or worse) to the original “on the studio floor” sound by the time the record was released.
Such sound scaping in, this example, was caused by the addition of reverb, delay, compression/limiting, EQ, the sonic anomalies of the room, the microphones, the tape decks, the tape, the mixing board, the studio’s speakers, the control room, the mastering suite, the disc pressing machines, the way the other instruments and voices enhance and/or mask various guitar frequencies and more, all complexly contributed to one degree or another to the final sound. Of course, those guitar sounds and any similarly recoded guitar sounds are later impossible to precisely reproduce live with an amp and pedals, even by the artist.
Also, the ears and what we think we remember hearing have a very short and fragile memory. We’ve probably all tried at one time or another to get that “Beano” sound and probably thought we came close. However, re-listening to that recording is very “ear opening” and you, as was I, may be quite surprised to hear what EC’s guitar actually sounds like compared to what we thought we remembered it sounded like.
Best way to always start my weekend. Thank you for all of the hard work guys. Cheers!
It's FRIDAY!!!!! -Thankful for "two grown men staring at their feet" :)
Great episode! Just starting playing in a 60’s cover band with two guitarists and we’re trying to fit in all our parts together. Very helpful ideas!
Beautiful intro this week guys!
I loved hearing Mick’s tangent on sound men at the gig. It’s so relatable! Maybe consider having a FOH guy come on and discuss their perspective and how guitarists can work best with them?
Such great playing and tones in the intro. Love it!
Yay! Thanks gents! Been waiting for a two-guitar jam for a while. Keep them coming!
Can you guys do more teaching videos like this. Fantastic to help me specifically to not only get better sounds out of pedals but also become a better guitar player.
You guys playing together has just made an already excellent show even better. You can really hear the pedals in the right context when played with another instrument
That jam at the hour mark was like old Pretenders, space invaders, takes me back...
This would be a cool conversation to have with Ian Thornley. Big wreck keeps dynamics and don’t muddy the tracks up, just add to the song.
I rate this episode up with the "Better Solo Tones for Everyone," which I've watched three or four times since it first appeared.
Always fabulous to go back to the basics. More experience playing with keyboard players such a different, magical breed of a musician. It's always a blast to jam with mates on guitar. Different parts is so key, makes the jam seem interesting and not bland. Thank you TPS for the tips as always.
Like Dan I have only recently starting playing with a second guitarist. As the other guitarist is actually a singer, I find I am having to vary my sound a lot to accommodate him mainly because his knowledge on guitar is limited.
I have actually found this “problem” inspiring me to think about the part I play in the song and this episode has really helped realise I am doing all the right things.
Thanks guys
That's cool. If you can actually make some time to sit down together and work some stuff out it's soooooo satisfying to really properly play as a team. I love that stuff. Mick here. Dan loves that stuff too. :0)
The end jams are probably the most interesting and creative and rocking thing that you guys have done yet. Mind blown.
Good show despite the technical issues with the cameras. When I was in a band, I usually played humbucker guitars and the other guitarist played a Tele. We stayed out of each other's way without much drama at all. The principles you demonstrated are solid and eternal. Thanks for putting this out!
One of the most instructive episodes, but at the same time it made me feel much better about myself as a guitarist in a 4 or 5 piece band :) been doing a lot of it unconsciously, so it is nice to know the "theory" behind it - but also got a bunch of new ideas on how to improve :) Thank you for this, guys :)
Wishbone Ash, Thin Lizzy, Allman Brothers - Its all coming back !
That first song was wonderful. I'd listen to that jam as a song.