Every episode I start with and “ugh! Another hour video. I don’t have time to watch all this.” Feeling. Then it’s over and and I think “Wait, that was an hour? I was jus getting into this!”. So rare to get deep dive info on a topic in you tube. Thanks guys, for sticking with the format!
Your show has produced among the most inspiring sounds ever recorded, not just among internet videos, but all recorded music. Period. Thank you so much for doing what you do!
After the last show, I set up wet/dry/wet with two Blackstar HT40’s outside, and an HT20 inside (all clean channel). Signal path was guitar -> Midi Deja Vibe -> Keeley Tone Workstation -> D&M Drive -> Angry Charlie -> Mini-Vent II, split -> “dry” into the HT20, “wet” into a TC X4 Delay, stereo out into -> TC Hall of Fame, stereo out to the 2 HT-40’s. Man what a sound! With the HT40’s set to the Blackface-style clean and the HT20 set clean, but on the edge of breakup. No phase issues at all that I could discern. It was absolutely the most unproductive band rehearsal we’ve ever had - I was too busy listening to my own awesomeness to worry about playing the songs correctly, haha! Cheers guys, great topic as always!
Mike Heugel hello. Can I ask what kind of a splitter you got? What if you only use 2 amps (wet/dry), do you have any problems with phasing with the splitter you use? Thanks.
yoctanuri Hello, I don’t have a splitter - I’m actually splitting the signal with 2 different stereo-out pedals. The fact that I don’t have phase issues is actually a miracle. First split is from the Mini Vent II, left output goes to the dry amp in the middle, right output goes into a TC X4 delay. Second split is out of the X4, which gets split into a stereo out, through the Hall of Fame (stereo in-stereo out), then out to wet amp left and wet amp right. I’ve got rehearsal tomorrow, so I’ll get a picture to show the setup.
You F'in' Guys!!! After the last show I HAD to build this rig. Turns out I recently acquired the tools to do so. With an ABY switch and a strymon flint, i set up 2 little practice amps with my bassman. Instant guitar nirvana. Of course I've set this all up while the missus is out of town, now seeing if she can extend her trip. HA! This channel is like a dream factory for guitar players, great ideas rolling out week after week. Please never stop.
Hate to comment again, this has nothing to do with guitar, but the lighting and focus is so amazing. There are side shots and they seem so personal. Second time through and the camera work is just crazy good. Cheers guys!!
Thanks for all the shows. Love the preamp and wet/dry/wet shows, especially. I'm playing a 5120 with Filtertrons running to a 5e3 clone left, 5f1 champ clone (12" speaker) pushed by a Nocturne Mystery Brain preamp/echo is center, and a 66 Supro Thunderbolt pushed by an Atomic Brain preamp is right. Wet rigs are also pushed by the Topanga (preamp) which adds considerably, especially from noon to 3. Turning the amps down allows for these preamps to shine. The chain goes tu3>Dongeomac Fuzz>wah>Supro Tremolo>joyo American>Joyo Tai Chi>HOF2 stereo output goes to Mystery Brain into champ (center). The HOF2's other output supplies the wet rig's Belle Epoch>Keeley Dynatrem>Topanga>Flashback2 (stereo out>Dr scientist tremolessence (stereo out). Eventually, I'll get a proper splitter, but for now, the HOF2 does good enough. Absolutely massive sound!
Mick - The FAT button on the Blues Junior adds a cathode bypass capacitor to the second 12AX7 gain stage. A cathode bypass capacitor will increase gain, lower output impedance, and increase harmonic content in a very pronounced way.
It's all about the inspiration ... which comes from many sources. I'm so grateful my son, Ian, referred me to a show that incorporates information with inspiration to try new things. My guitar sound continues to evolve and I like it better than ever. Excellent work, guys. Thank you!
I love the comment about playing beyond yourself when it sounds right. We've all been there... when the humidity and temp is just right and the stars align and you become a guitar god!
BOYS! Why have I never done this before?!?!?! I have been watching you guys for years and playing guitar for about 20. Well I just never thought of doing a wet/dry or even a wet/dry/wet setup! Well I can say it has changed my life and I absolutely love it so much! Thank you for bringing this knowledge to us. It might have seemed obvious to some but I just never thought of it. Also what I love about your show is that you are all about finding your own tone and this video is a big step towards making my own sound. I mean now I have a three amp wet/dry/wet setup - Hiwatt on the left, Hot Rod deluxe in the middle and Orange on the right playing a Tele and an ESP LTD Eclipse. I just love that with the help of your show I’m constantly expanding and building on my sound and it’s so fun and inspiring. Thank you so much for all your hard work!
Because of you guys I've built up my pedalboard to where it's wet/dry capable, and the first time I did it with a deluxe reverb and an old Supro Spectator, with the dual delay on my timeline and the tremolo on one amp only. I sat between the two amps while my brother in law played, and literally cried. It was unlike anything I've ever heard before. My whole board has been reworked to let me do that at any time, though I have yet to do it in a gig setting. Really love the show guys. Yall are my heros.
Gents: I didn't get a chance to post last week, but CONGRATULATIONS on the excellent new space! May it serve as your gear-batcave for years to come. :) However! I am sorry to say, but no TPS set can be complete without a prominent display of the original EHX Electric Mistress! Come on Dan! :D :P
FWIW... Mick, I’m sure the sound of the new space is giving you a bit of a fit, but I’ve watched you for years, and you really excel with a couple of pedals and a single amp. The stuff from a couple of weeks ago was awesome, but I really think you need to get your OG setup... Strat, TS, Super... and hear that room in a simple setting. Break into it slow, this setup seemed super over the top for you. This sound is Dan’s wheelhouse. This is why I love the show, 2 different guys attacking the same sound in each owns personal way, see what they can get out of it and how different it sounds for each player. Love the show, you guys are the absolute best.
BEST budget W/D/W rig I have ever setup was: Guitar > Orange Amp Detonator; Output A went straight to the DRY amp Output B went to the Mono input of my TC Electronic Nova Delay then out of the stereo outputs of the Nova into the stereo inputs of the HOF 2, then stereo out to my WET amps. BOOM! Inexpensive, amazing tone, 3 pedals!
That tone in the into. Damn! I could spend hours and hours on that rig. I vote you keep it as that Pedal Show. But, you've definitely inspired me to build a rig like this.
Now THIS is why I watch EVERY TPS show. Even the ones that I am not that interested in. I will jump to the chase. Today's show, 6-22-18. Just by seeing and hearing what you two can do when you do try something different, well ...that makes ME want to try something different. Maybe even something I have tried before, but with a new twist. Now WET/DRY with KILL DRYS on? I NEVER would have even thought of that. Sounded amazing. Who would have thought that the 3 amps were what they were. I loathed my HRD btw. If only I had G2. Because every change for me requires a new cord path and rerouting. But I got something today from the show today that really spoke to me. THIS is the kind of show that certainly I would like to see more of. Exploring what you can do with multiple amps by the placement and operation of the pedals. Duh...that's what you already are doing anyway, for the most part. Fab show today. Cheers From NM, USA (I am going to buy a T-shirt or two right now....big spender huh...)
Don't want to shamelessly self-promote, but thanks to you guys I made a video explaining my own super-simple wet/dry rig using an AC15 (dry), AC30 (wet) and a Radial Big Shot ABY to split it all. Just wanted to say thanks for giving me the knowledge to be able to do that! :)
I'm in the process of thinking up a wet/dry stereo rig with different pedals in each of the two amps. I have an Orange 2x12 combo which I run into a UK made Ashdown 4x12 cab with Celestion V30s, thinking about putting a 150w Celestion Redback and a Celestion G12T-75 in the Orange, not sure yet. For my second amp, I'm waiting on Ground FX's first amp, it's based on the Sunn Spectrum, it has a pair of KT88s. I want to buy a 6x12 for it from Zilla Cabs with six Celestion G12T-75s, so, a 12x12 wet/dry stereo rig. As for effects, that's a chapter in itself, hehe.
I run a 50w plexi with an ac15 (through the ox amp top box which lets me play with different cab types with ease) and I’m having sooo much fun. The combinations are endless and the idea of routing delay, tremolo and reverb only into the high headroom plexi (with a 4x12 greenback cab) and using ox’s room miking on the flat monitor is entirely thanks to watching your channel... so many thanks and keep it up! Btw, the ox can keep up with the live cab without getting into weird phasing issues due to latency.
Just tried my daughter’s Blackstar BEAM and my Yamaha THR10c via a passive Morley ABY box - stereo, in stereo. Glorious multiple oscillations going on. Walked away to make a cup of tea, & it was still going. Head-mangling stuff. All the kit was bought 2nd hand too. No going back now. “Shwangri-La”gets my vote too.
When you guys were talking about guys like Larry Carlton putting the 100% wet through studio monitors, I wanted to mention that on tour last year, John Mayer had an additional mic in front of one of the amps, which was fed into a rack mic preamp, then into the wet effects (or maybe only his Bricasti M7 reverbs), and then that 100% wet signal coming out of a pair of ridiculously expensive studio monitors, which were not mic'ed to the PA. So I'm guessing the studio monitors were just for the stage sound for reverb? I really wonder what that would sound like in person, ie not coming out of the FOH. Hmm. I'm sensing another W/D/W video using studio monitors!
Hey Josh! Thanks for the info! I saw that tour, too, but must have been a bit further back in the house than you. I thought those looked like monitors and not speaker cabs, but I was too far away to figure out what they were doing exactly. I'm wondering if you also noticed a very slow phase-type thing that was oscillating back-and-forth across the stereo field on some of his lead tones? Some, not all. Especially the opening obligato solo at the beginning of "Belief" to open the show. The closest I've been able to come to duplicating it is a very slow roto-vibe sound from my Strymon Mobius. Cheers!
A reasonable rig is attainable. I’m almost there with a Keeley Tone Workstation and a Boss MS-3 running into an AC-30 and Bassbreaker 18/30. The MS-3 has stereo outs and I don’t have any extra noise currently. I’m looking at something from Radial to split the dry into my 68 DR. The total rig as I envision it is under $4500, and I’ve been working on acquiring the gear for more than a year. Without the proper splitter, I’m only running stereo into the Vox and BB; but it still sounds “massive” and “mega.” Thanks Dan and Mick for all the tips and making me continue to imagine and tweak my dream rig.
Cheapest way I’ve found of doing it is to have a great tube amp as you dry, and two Roland Cubes as your wets. The benefit of this set up is you can buy Cubes in different wattages to suit your requirements, they have a great clean sound, plus you don’t have to re-tube them as buying tubes for three amps becomes an expensive proposition.
Andre Rodin I even heard Dave Friedman from Friedman amps suggest maybe using a small katana amp as “wet” amp in a simple wet dry setup ...mainly because you don’t need a ton of power for the wet effect only amp and solid state is fine.
I want to Thank you 2 lads because your show has made me fall in love with guitars and amps and pedals again!!!! The first time I REALLY wanted to play guitar was in 1983, I heard Texas Flood on the radio for the first time and since then I have never been without a guitar in my possession. Keep up the GREAT videos and give me a shoutout! I'm Don from Texas!!!
As far as the splitter, I don't use one for my wet/dry rig. Most "stereo" delay pedals are actually just separate wet/dry outputs... that's all I use for my split between my AC15 and my Fender Excelsior. The dry output of my delay goes direct to the Excelsior, while the wet output goes through the rest of my mod/delay effects and to the Vox (where I use the on-board spring reverb and excellent tremolo to enhance the wet signal.)
I have been trying to come up with a new name for your new place but the only thing for me that works is That Pedal Shed. It doesn't sound pretentious or silly it just sounds right. I think you guys were right the first time.
Its a practical matter. I ran a wet dry rig in the 80. I always used identical amps. Primary reason was the redundancy. If I ever had an amp failure then I had a built-in spare amp and could finish the gig. Stereo textures were great .... but mono had more balls. But for what it is worth when I had the deal with Peavey I NEVER had a failure with those Bandit 65s.
How is Dan getting on with his newly chosen 12 gauge strings? How about calling it Man's Pedal Cave (M=mick -and 'an is from Dan)? Sounds better then D-ick lol.
Pedals Advocate Heavy Pedal Pedal Tones The Pedal Vessel The Effects Set Love & Effection... Lol The Effects Collective Dan and Mick "The Effects Duet" G.A.S. - Great Ass Show Ow My Wallet "That Impulse Buy" I also second "The Pedal Cave" If this happens theres a chance at another signiture pedal. The Pedal Cave Reverb! Game Of Tones Dan and Mick, First of their kind, the Reverands of Reverb, Delegates to the House of Delay, the Unphased, Defenders of Distortion, Heirs to the Almighty Overdrive, Fathers of Fuzz, Keepers of the Flange, the Cosmonauts of Echoes, the Protectors of Pedals, they are the Kings of Tone. Bend the eq or lose your mids. All hail the true Kings of Effectsteros
Landau uses a somewhat more attainable approach to this that I find interesting (which you probably know all about). He has a dry board into his dry amp, then feeds a wet board via a second speaker out of the dry amp. The wet board is set to 100% wet and sends a split signal (delays on one side, ambient reverb down the other) into two inputs of a Fender amp. He then uses the separate volume controls on the Fender as a mixer or sorts for the wet sound. It's not a true stereo wet, but it has enough separation for a great sense of space, and you can do it with two amps.
Mick's face at 50:56 when he asks for Dan to set up the Echoplex to almost self-oscillation alongside the Boonar... The look of sheer excitement and almost mischief! =D
I think this show is great, but sometimes with TPS I get a little weary of the supposed problems/issues with digital (talk of latency). Much to the detriment of my bank balance, I own loads of gear, analogue and digital. I use a G2 with fancy pedals, I also use a Strymon Timeline and BlueSky (digital), I use an Ox (sounds amazing) and record into Logic. I've owned fully digital pedals in the past and not found any problems. My Line 6 M5 is great! In isolation analogue might sound a little better, but it's very marginal with the good stuff. To the extent I'm thinking about a nice small HX Effects - easy routing and good sounds. It's much more to do with the quality of the product and its use in context (as opposed to being used in isolation) than the principles of what seems to be prevalent here: analogue good, digital bad. I work in film and TV. I work with great technicians and musicians, we use digital all the time. Purists and romantics want to work on film, but for a lot of uses it's not better - lenses, cameras, lighting etc have a big impact. We add film grain to things and even tell you it's shot on film and you would be none the wiser. I work on film and I love it. But I also work on digital and love it. Pixar is all digital, is plasticine animation shot on film better? No. Like a good script and performance, the song and the playing is the most important thing that will resonate with you and your audience. Talk of digital latency vs analogue reminds me a bit too much of a trainset builder in his loft tinkering, when nobody even notices. Now, back to my Flying Scotsman...
Hulk Slayer nope, I’ve never done that, although I am using a Mark V and Amp 1 without issue (I don’t think the Amp 1 is digital, maybe elements are?). My comment was more about the general sniffiness around digital on TPS. I’ve used digital in various setups. I’ve never encountered latency with my Ox or torpedo live (which I had), I have picked up, and I’m sure others have too, what I think is a bit of a manufactured blanket bias against digital. I agree that valve amps sound better generally, but with effects and certainly recording devices and interfaces I think it’s much more of a mixed picture. I always have issues with my setup (flexibility comes at a price it seems) ground noise with amps etc and had to call the GigRig to sort out the routing. They were really helpful, but it is complicated and so I am considering an alternative rig with just an HX effects and nothing else on the floor. By and large I have found valve amps to my taste, but even then my views are changing. Kempers are very impressive (no latency) and I think class D amps are changing the game. Look at the Blug Amp 1 and the Milkman floor pedal. Talk to the GigRig guys about your setup, I know some of them are using kempers.
benbutterworth oh... well I think he was talking specifically running 3 amps as wet/dry/wet. That since SS and Tube amps work in different ways, that there might be a very slight perceived miss match in timing in that format. Which bummed me out cause I wanted to try it with my tube/hybrid/SS amps... but then I saw your post and got excited cause I thought you had done it before with no issues... let me know if you do it and post a video please
Hulk Slayer you’re right, but it just reminded me of a general disdain for most things digital on here. What about the Blackstar amps that are SS or a blues cube? Or a JC? Are they any good for you? Of course SS isn’t necessarily digital.
Maybe this is a question for another video BUT I would love to see this accomplished because I feel like this is what everyday users could aim for. On a reasonable budget, what would you use to accomplish the following: 1) Wet/dry sound (what 2 amps would be your go to) 2) what would be your go to pedals with these options: tuner, Fuzz, overdrive, boost, volume, delay/s (separator pedals or a multifunction like the timeline), harmonic tremelo, & reverb 3) don’t have access to a G3 or G3 atom, just the quartermaster. 4) Single coil & humbucker guitars. 5) favorite sounds to get out of them. Would love to see the construction of this whole thing like when your construct other boards/set ups.
Bad day, bad week. AND made the mistake of getting into a horrible, depressing UA-cam abuse fest. But this has perked me up no end. F*$% it! It's Friday and the weekend. Thanks for making the world a sane place again to you and all your followers. And as my Friday now seems to be free I can make myself a Wet/Dry/Wet rig.
Have you guys looked at the Orange Rocker 32? 2 12 combo with 2 power amps and 2 effects loops, so essentially stereo in 1 box. Would be interesting for you to do
Phase reversal solves phase issues with multiple speakers, not hum problems. Phase reversal can theoretically not only cancel your hum, but also your regular guitar signal. So you really need signal isolators to stop ground loops. Like the gigrig humdinger, or more affordably: a behringer hum destroyer. Or just embrace hum as a fact of life.
For home use only, my "wet-dry-wet" is set up in a corner of a small room (in a subdivision). I use a "Radial Big Shot ABY" which has 3 switches ( "LIFT", "180", & "ISO"). "A" goes to the center class A (sounding)amp set for slight crunch. It is angled up from about thigh height. "B" goes to a multi-effects pedal with separate stereo leads out to two "clean" amps set on stands at ear height. I carefully balance volumes using a decibel meter targeting 85 dB (minimum level for my ears) at about 9 feet away. The sound is full & rich and I've had no complaints as potentially neighbor-offending bottom end is removed from the equation. Expense is around about $450 US as the amps are hybrid with 8" speakers.
My dry amp is always a Roland JC-40 (priced in the same range as a Blues Jr and AC15) but any solid state that's clean clean 0 to 10 on the volume knob will work. Then I EQ all the high frequencies out of that amp. Clean-af. Wet amp is presently a Two Rock Sensor with Josh Smith/Matt Schofield one-hit delay + Tumnus in the front and a TC HOF reverb in the effects loop. It's the best guitar sound I've ever heard live and I learned it on TPS. When I was young I spent a lot of time learning some Al DiMeola runs. With my Wet/Dry-af rig I can hear every single note like a punch in the gut, even though the TR has quite a lot of delay and reverb and gain. So now I figure a Vox or Mesa or another Two Rock wet. I'll try it. I realize having basically a really loud acoustic guitar as the dry amp isn't for everyone. For me though, that's my sound. I can't get enough of it.
So... what you mean is that we don’t need £30k worth of gear now?! Just when hundreds of husbands out there finally just convinced their wife already... please, delete this video now!!! :D
For a while I’ve been doing it this way. ABY Amp1 is through effects ending in a TC Mimiq sending the stereo out to Amp2. Amp 3 is the second amp in the ABY output but 100% dry. Amps are Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall DSL 40 and dry is a Hampstead. Sounds epic!
I got inspired by this and built my own wet/dry/wet rig. Fender Bassbreaker on the left side, Peavey 5150 on the right and in the center a small solid state marshall practice amp. That and a couple of delays and electric lady and my life is complete (for the moment)!!!
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Every episode I start with and “ugh! Another hour video. I don’t have time to watch all this.” Feeling. Then it’s over and and I think “Wait, that was an hour? I was jus getting into this!”.
So rare to get deep dive info on a topic in you tube. Thanks guys, for sticking with the format!
That’s awesome Christian, thank you!
Your show has produced among the most inspiring sounds ever recorded, not just among internet videos, but all recorded music. Period. Thank you so much for doing what you do!
Wow! High praise indeed. Thank you sir!
You gentlemen are doing the Lord’s work.
It's so nice watching musicians who are emotionally moved by the sound. Not everyone has that. Great work, as usual.
Sounds and looks so darn good! Congrats guys!
Mary! Can I say I love you?
"Sounds and looks so darn good"
Mary, you just set yourself up for a bunch of blokey inappropriateness.
But you do, hey...:p
All righty then, you know a fellow who sells Humdingers, when's the video coming out?
After the last show, I set up wet/dry/wet with two Blackstar HT40’s outside, and an HT20 inside (all clean channel).
Signal path was guitar -> Midi Deja Vibe -> Keeley Tone Workstation -> D&M Drive -> Angry Charlie -> Mini-Vent II, split -> “dry” into the HT20, “wet” into a TC X4 Delay, stereo out into -> TC Hall of Fame, stereo out to the 2 HT-40’s.
Man what a sound! With the HT40’s set to the Blackface-style clean and the HT20 set clean, but on the edge of breakup. No phase issues at all that I could discern.
It was absolutely the most unproductive band rehearsal we’ve ever had - I was too busy listening to my own awesomeness to worry about playing the songs correctly, haha!
Cheers guys, great topic as always!
Mike Heugel hello.
Can I ask what kind of a splitter you got?
What if you only use 2 amps (wet/dry), do you have any problems with phasing with the splitter you use?
Thanks.
yoctanuri Hello,
I don’t have a splitter - I’m actually splitting the signal with 2 different stereo-out pedals. The fact that I don’t have phase issues is actually a miracle.
First split is from the Mini Vent II, left output goes to the dry amp in the middle, right output goes into a TC X4 delay. Second split is out of the X4, which gets split into a stereo out, through the Hall of Fame (stereo in-stereo out), then out to wet amp left and wet amp right.
I’ve got rehearsal tomorrow, so I’ll get a picture to show the setup.
First job when starting to watch a new TPS, is pressing the like button 😊
Fortunately, I have been re-watching episodes that I watched as a UA-cam noob and correcting the oversights.
You F'in' Guys!!!
After the last show I HAD to build this rig. Turns out I recently acquired the tools to do so. With an ABY switch and a strymon flint, i set up 2 little practice amps with my bassman. Instant guitar nirvana. Of course I've set this all up while the missus is out of town, now seeing if she can extend her trip. HA!
This channel is like a dream factory for guitar players, great ideas rolling out week after week. Please never stop.
Cheers OB - glad you’re finding some inspiration in here. Thanks for watching!
Schwangra-La. From far earlier down the comments. Fantastic!
Love this!
I like this sooooooo much.
Call this show any name....all I care is that I look forward to Friday for this great show!!!!! I think "That Pedal Show" says it all!!!!
Hate to comment again, this has nothing to do with guitar, but the lighting and focus is so amazing. There are side shots and they seem so personal. Second time through and the camera work is just crazy good. Cheers guys!!
Thanks for all the shows. Love the preamp and wet/dry/wet shows, especially.
I'm playing a 5120 with Filtertrons running to a 5e3 clone left, 5f1 champ clone (12" speaker) pushed by a Nocturne Mystery Brain preamp/echo is center, and a 66 Supro Thunderbolt pushed by an Atomic Brain preamp is right.
Wet rigs are also pushed by the Topanga (preamp) which adds considerably, especially from noon to 3. Turning the amps down allows for these preamps to shine.
The chain goes tu3>Dongeomac Fuzz>wah>Supro Tremolo>joyo American>Joyo Tai Chi>HOF2 stereo output goes to Mystery Brain into champ (center). The HOF2's other output supplies the wet rig's Belle Epoch>Keeley Dynatrem>Topanga>Flashback2 (stereo out>Dr scientist tremolessence (stereo out).
Eventually, I'll get a proper splitter, but for now, the HOF2 does good enough. Absolutely massive sound!
Wonderful stuff! Sounds epic from here!
Mick - The FAT button on the Blues Junior adds a cathode bypass capacitor to the second 12AX7 gain stage. A cathode bypass capacitor will increase gain, lower output impedance, and increase harmonic content in a very pronounced way.
Hello Kley, is the cathode bypass capacitor like a split cathode / shared cathode switch on some Marshall circuits? Or is it Marshally?
Thanks :)
Don't forget the impact of the flux capacitor driving the DMC at 88mph
@@squidwardjtentacles home child, one too many sniffs of the barmaids apron.
It's all about the inspiration ... which comes from many sources. I'm so grateful my son, Ian, referred me to a show that incorporates information with inspiration to try new things. My guitar sound continues to evolve and I like it better than ever. Excellent work, guys. Thank you!
Awesome, thanks Scot. And welcome! Hello Ian too - thanks for watching!
The Pedalladium! Great show again guys, it’s good to see you’re enjoying it.
I love the comment about playing beyond yourself when it sounds right. We've all been there... when the humidity and temp is just right and the stars align and you become a guitar god!
Is it just me or does Dan’s tele look even more gorgeous with the new background?
I think it sounds "punchier" in that room as well
It sounds more like the record now. 👍
Do you think plated or raw brass saddles sound better. ???
Man that tone with the strat at 32:40 just SINGS and when you kick in the Bad Bob it SCREAMS great playing as always Mick!
Salutations from North Carolina! I've decided that I'm never watching your show without headphones again. Great show guys!
HatsForRain . hey man, Rockingham, NC here. These guys are awesome right?
If you can throw them up one stereo speakers even better :).
Chris They really are! They're part of my Friday morning ritual.
Decent speakers can be just as good, decent meaning “not in a smartphone or a laptop.”
BOYS! Why have I never done this before?!?!?! I have been watching you guys for years and playing guitar for about 20. Well I just never thought of doing a wet/dry or even a wet/dry/wet setup! Well I can say it has changed my life and I absolutely love it so much! Thank you for bringing this knowledge to us. It might have seemed obvious to some but I just never thought of it.
Also what I love about your show is that you are all about finding your own tone and this video is a big step towards making my own sound. I mean now I have a three amp wet/dry/wet setup - Hiwatt on the left, Hot Rod deluxe in the middle and Orange on the right playing a Tele and an ESP LTD Eclipse.
I just love that with the help of your show I’m constantly expanding and building on my sound and it’s so fun and inspiring. Thank you so much for all your hard work!
DAN YOU'RE THE MAN!
Because of you guys I've built up my pedalboard to where it's wet/dry capable, and the first time I did it with a deluxe reverb and an old Supro Spectator, with the dual delay on my timeline and the tremolo on one amp only. I sat between the two amps while my brother in law played, and literally cried. It was unlike anything I've ever heard before. My whole board has been reworked to let me do that at any time, though I have yet to do it in a gig setting. Really love the show guys. Yall are my heros.
Gents: I didn't get a chance to post last week, but CONGRATULATIONS on the excellent new space! May it serve as your gear-batcave for years to come. :) However! I am sorry to say, but no TPS set can be complete without a prominent display of the original EHX Electric Mistress! Come on Dan! :D :P
Joe Satchton Gear Batcave is a cracking shout for this places name!
+Cameron Tyson: Why, thank you sir! :)
32:47-32:57 let’s talk about that cinematic gold freaking shot of mick and his strat! Simon!!! All the yes. Great shot
Sounds MEGA! Thanks very much for all the hard work and the quality. It Looks & sounds AMAZING. Big hug from The Argentina!
FWIW... Mick, I’m sure the sound of the new space is giving you a bit of a fit, but I’ve watched you for years, and you really excel with a couple of pedals and a single amp. The stuff from a couple of weeks ago was awesome, but I really think you need to get your OG setup... Strat, TS, Super... and hear that room in a simple setting. Break into it slow, this setup seemed super over the top for you. This sound is Dan’s wheelhouse. This is why I love the show, 2 different guys attacking the same sound in each owns personal way, see what they can get out of it and how different it sounds for each player. Love the show, you guys are the absolute best.
You’ll find next week’s show super interesting Eric... thanks for the feedback as always!
moist/dry/moist?
ashasha3 lol
Wet/dry/damp
BEST budget W/D/W rig I have ever setup was: Guitar > Orange Amp Detonator;
Output A went straight to the DRY amp
Output B went to the Mono input of my TC Electronic Nova Delay then out of the stereo outputs of the Nova into the stereo inputs of the HOF 2, then stereo out to my WET amps. BOOM! Inexpensive, amazing tone, 3 pedals!
That tone in the into. Damn! I could spend hours and hours on that rig. I vote you keep it as that Pedal Show. But, you've definitely inspired me to build a rig like this.
Now THIS is why I watch EVERY TPS show. Even the ones that I am not that interested in. I will jump to the chase.
Today's show, 6-22-18. Just by seeing and hearing what you two can do when you do try something different, well ...that makes ME want to try something different. Maybe even something I have tried before, but with a new twist. Now WET/DRY with KILL DRYS on? I NEVER would have even thought of that.
Sounded amazing. Who would have thought that the 3 amps were what they were. I loathed my HRD btw.
If only I had G2. Because every change for me requires a new cord path and rerouting.
But I got something today from the show today that really spoke to me. THIS is the kind of show that certainly I would like to see more of. Exploring what you can do with multiple amps by the placement and operation of the pedals.
Duh...that's what you already are doing anyway, for the most part.
Fab show today.
Cheers From NM, USA
(I am going to buy a T-shirt or two right now....big spender huh...)
31:52 when the tremolo hit the AC15 only I got so happy... Tremolo is (as always) the secret sauce...
Dan - thank you so much for making that diagram! It completely solved my wet/dry issue and now my rig sounds AWESOME.
Hooray!
The new place looks AWESOME!!
Don't want to shamelessly self-promote, but thanks to you guys I made a video explaining my own super-simple wet/dry rig using an AC15 (dry), AC30 (wet) and a Radial Big Shot ABY to split it all. Just wanted to say thanks for giving me the knowledge to be able to do that! :)
YES!!! It’s Friday with TPS!!!!!!
Welcome to That Pedal Palace. Great new space guys. And , as always, great tones and info. Thanks for all you do.
I'm not able to watch now, but seeing an episode with gear I actually own is always especially exciting.
👍🎸👍 lots of Gilmouresque tones today. Lovely!
I'm in the process of thinking up a wet/dry stereo rig with different pedals in each of the two amps. I have an Orange 2x12 combo which I run into a UK made Ashdown 4x12 cab with Celestion V30s, thinking about putting a 150w Celestion Redback and a Celestion G12T-75 in the Orange, not sure yet. For my second amp, I'm waiting on Ground FX's first amp, it's based on the Sunn Spectrum, it has a pair of KT88s. I want to buy a 6x12 for it from Zilla Cabs with six Celestion G12T-75s, so, a 12x12 wet/dry stereo rig. As for effects, that's a chapter in itself, hehe.
That's one hella rig. Think I put my back out just reading about it...
I run a 50w plexi with an ac15 (through the ox amp top box which lets me play with different cab types with ease) and I’m having sooo much fun. The combinations are endless and the idea of routing delay, tremolo and reverb only into the high headroom plexi (with a 4x12 greenback cab) and using ox’s room miking on the flat monitor is entirely thanks to watching your channel... so many thanks and keep it up! Btw, the ox can keep up with the live cab without getting into weird phasing issues due to latency.
I run a similar setup using an ox box as well. I too have not had any issues with the ox causing any latency or phasing issues..
Oooh, nice. Working from home means that I can listen to TPS on studio monitors instead of crappy headphones!
Just tried my daughter’s Blackstar BEAM and my Yamaha THR10c via a passive Morley ABY box - stereo, in stereo. Glorious multiple oscillations going on. Walked away to make a cup of tea, & it was still going. Head-mangling stuff. All the kit was bought 2nd hand too. No going back now.
“Shwangri-La”gets my vote too.
How about that pedal show??😜
Barrel of laughs. More than a peck, at least.
Oooh! That D&M with the Blues Jr. was quite a surprise, then again it is "Red" playing through it.
Red is a crazy guitar. Dan is a crazy human. Go figure. :0)
When you guys were talking about guys like Larry Carlton putting the 100% wet through studio monitors, I wanted to mention that on tour last year, John Mayer had an additional mic in front of one of the amps, which was fed into a rack mic preamp, then into the wet effects (or maybe only his Bricasti M7 reverbs), and then that 100% wet signal coming out of a pair of ridiculously expensive studio monitors, which were not mic'ed to the PA. So I'm guessing the studio monitors were just for the stage sound for reverb? I really wonder what that would sound like in person, ie not coming out of the FOH. Hmm. I'm sensing another W/D/W video using studio monitors!
Hey Josh! Thanks for the info! I saw that tour, too, but must have been a bit further back in the house than you. I thought those looked like monitors and not speaker cabs, but I was too far away to figure out what they were doing exactly. I'm wondering if you also noticed a very slow phase-type thing that was oscillating back-and-forth across the stereo field on some of his lead tones? Some, not all. Especially the opening obligato solo at the beginning of "Belief" to open the show. The closest I've been able to come to duplicating it is a very slow roto-vibe sound from my Strymon Mobius. Cheers!
A reasonable rig is attainable. I’m almost there with a Keeley Tone Workstation and a Boss MS-3 running into an AC-30 and Bassbreaker 18/30. The MS-3 has stereo outs and I don’t have any extra noise currently. I’m looking at something from Radial to split the dry into my 68 DR. The total rig as I envision it is under $4500, and I’ve been working on acquiring the gear for more than a year. Without the proper splitter, I’m only running stereo into the Vox and BB; but it still sounds “massive” and “mega.” Thanks Dan and Mick for all the tips and making me continue to imagine and tweak my dream rig.
Boss katana 50 is great for w/d/w setups on a budget, as a wet combo. 50 watts, 12 inch speaker and a bunch of cool fx included
+1 on that. Mick here.
Definitely. It's like taking a JC-40/120 and sticking a bunch of pedals in front of it, but in a simple form factor and at a very reasonable price.
I have a katana 100, I am thinking of getting a vox ac15 to have it as the main dry amp and use the katana with the effects
Cheapest way I’ve found of doing it is to have a great tube amp as you dry, and two Roland Cubes as your wets. The benefit of this set up is you can buy Cubes in different wattages to suit your requirements, they have a great clean sound, plus you don’t have to re-tube them as buying tubes for three amps becomes an expensive proposition.
Andre Rodin I even heard Dave Friedman from Friedman amps suggest maybe using a small katana amp as “wet” amp in a simple wet dry setup ...mainly because you don’t need a ton of power for the wet effect only amp and solid state is fine.
I want to Thank you 2 lads because your show has made me fall in love with guitars and amps and pedals again!!!! The first time I REALLY wanted to play guitar was in 1983, I heard Texas Flood on the radio for the first time and since then I have never been without a guitar in my possession. Keep up the GREAT videos and give me a shoutout! I'm Don from Texas!!!
Pedal Cave. Surely. The Batman and Robin fighting bad tone KAPOW💥
As far as the splitter, I don't use one for my wet/dry rig. Most "stereo" delay pedals are actually just separate wet/dry outputs... that's all I use for my split between my AC15 and my Fender Excelsior. The dry output of my delay goes direct to the Excelsior, while the wet output goes through the rest of my mod/delay effects and to the Vox (where I use the on-board spring reverb and excellent tremolo to enhance the wet signal.)
Next time you do this could you please, please, pretty please use a P90's loaded guitar and a humbucker loaded guitar. Just for me and anyone else.
Right on Nigel, and a Gretsch would be nice too, any thing with Filertron or Broadtron pickups. Pretty please with sugar on top :-)
I have been trying to come up with a new name for your new place but the only thing for me that works is That Pedal Shed. It doesn't sound pretentious or silly it just sounds right. I think you guys were right the first time.
Bastards! I left my amp out in the rain for the wet sound.
My wife is also saying that I've pressed the fat button too...
did you leave it out in the rain with the cake?
Its a practical matter. I ran a wet dry rig in the 80. I always used identical amps. Primary reason was the redundancy. If I ever had an amp failure then I had a built-in spare amp and could finish the gig. Stereo textures were great .... but mono had more balls. But for what it is worth when I had the deal with Peavey I NEVER had a failure with those Bandit 65s.
How is Dan getting on with his newly chosen 12 gauge strings? How about calling it Man's Pedal Cave (M=mick -and 'an is from Dan)? Sounds better then D-ick lol.
"Hey guys, Man here!"
"Dick here, hello!"
Blues Jr, Green Bullet, and a harmonica. What a combination!
That Pedal Studio?
That Pedal Sonicallysuperiorrecordingspace?
I wish I knew where to look to find Dan's "crazy wig-out" "Airwolf-on-acid" bit you guys spoke about at 26:40.
Pedals Advocate
Heavy Pedal
Pedal Tones
The Pedal Vessel
The Effects Set
Love & Effection... Lol
The Effects Collective
Dan and Mick "The Effects Duet"
G.A.S. - Great Ass Show
Ow My Wallet
"That Impulse Buy"
I also second "The Pedal Cave" If this happens theres a chance at another signiture pedal. The Pedal Cave Reverb!
Game Of Tones
Dan and Mick, First of their kind, the Reverands of Reverb, Delegates to the House of Delay, the Unphased, Defenders of Distortion, Heirs to the Almighty Overdrive, Fathers of Fuzz, Keepers of the Flange, the Cosmonauts of Echoes, the Protectors of Pedals, they are the Kings of Tone.
Bend the eq or lose your mids. All hail the true Kings of Effectsteros
You sir, have a talent for the smithery of words! Glad tidings to you!
That Pedal Show Thanks guys! Great show as always! Love the new space!
Landau uses a somewhat more attainable approach to this that I find interesting (which you probably know all about). He has a dry board into his dry amp, then feeds a wet board via a second speaker out of the dry amp. The wet board is set to 100% wet and sends a split signal (delays on one side, ambient reverb down the other) into two inputs of a Fender amp. He then uses the separate volume controls on the Fender as a mixer or sorts for the wet sound. It's not a true stereo wet, but it has enough separation for a great sense of space, and you can do it with two amps.
Call it the Pedal Shedal.
Or the Stomp Box.
Or the Guitar Hangar.
Mark McQuillan I like the stomp box.
Mick's face at 50:56 when he asks for Dan to set up the Echoplex to almost self-oscillation alongside the Boonar... The look of sheer excitement and almost mischief! =D
I think this show is great, but sometimes with TPS I get a little weary of the supposed problems/issues with digital (talk of latency). Much to the detriment of my bank balance, I own loads of gear, analogue and digital. I use a G2 with fancy pedals, I also use a Strymon Timeline and BlueSky (digital), I use an Ox (sounds amazing) and record into Logic. I've owned fully digital pedals in the past and not found any problems. My Line 6 M5 is great! In isolation analogue might sound a little better, but it's very marginal with the good stuff. To the extent I'm thinking about a nice small HX Effects - easy routing and good sounds.
It's much more to do with the quality of the product and its use in context (as opposed to being used in isolation) than the principles of what seems to be prevalent here: analogue good, digital bad.
I work in film and TV. I work with great technicians and musicians, we use digital all the time. Purists and romantics want to work on film, but for a lot of uses it's not better - lenses, cameras, lighting etc have a big impact. We add film grain to things and even tell you it's shot on film and you would be none the wiser. I work on film and I love it. But I also work on digital and love it. Pixar is all digital, is plasticine animation shot on film better? No.
Like a good script and performance, the song and the playing is the most important thing that will resonate with you and your audience. Talk of digital latency vs analogue reminds me a bit too much of a trainset builder in his loft tinkering, when nobody even notices. Now, back to my Flying Scotsman...
benbutterworth you've set up multiple SS and Tube amps together and had no issues? Which ones did you use? Is there a video I could watch please?
Hulk Slayer nope, I’ve never done that, although I am using a Mark V and Amp 1 without issue (I don’t think the Amp 1 is digital, maybe elements are?). My comment was more about the general sniffiness around digital on TPS. I’ve used digital in various setups. I’ve never encountered latency with my Ox or torpedo live (which I had), I have picked up, and I’m sure others have too, what I think is a bit of a manufactured blanket bias against digital. I agree that valve amps sound better generally, but with effects and certainly recording devices and interfaces I think it’s much more of a mixed picture.
I always have issues with my setup (flexibility comes at a price it seems) ground noise with amps etc and had to call the GigRig to sort out the routing. They were really helpful, but it is complicated and so I am considering an alternative rig with just an HX effects and nothing else on the floor. By and large I have found valve amps to my taste, but even then my views are changing. Kempers are very impressive (no latency) and I think class D amps are changing the game. Look at the Blug Amp 1 and the Milkman floor pedal.
Talk to the GigRig guys about your setup, I know some of them are using kempers.
ua-cam.com/video/QyvDZDYFFQY/v-deo.html Josh at JHS puts it well.
benbutterworth oh... well I think he was talking specifically running 3 amps as wet/dry/wet. That since SS and Tube amps work in different ways, that there might be a very slight perceived miss match in timing in that format. Which bummed me out cause I wanted to try it with my tube/hybrid/SS amps... but then I saw your post and got excited cause I thought you had done it before with no issues... let me know if you do it and post a video please
Hulk Slayer you’re right, but it just reminded me of a general disdain for most things digital on here. What about the Blackstar amps that are SS or a blues cube? Or a JC? Are they any good for you? Of course SS isn’t necessarily digital.
This is beyond my favorite channel on UA-cam.
That look mick gave dan when he started playing bryan adams....18:00
I don’t buy pedals anymore, but I love this show. The sound now is gorgeous.
21:38 oh damn that was my goal. I guess you can't mix torpedo and mic :(
Sounds amazing! Love the pedal palace! @54.25 I think Mick was killing it! Cheers guys thanks! Seriously thank you for the knowledge drop!
I'm a simple person; when I see a new TPS video, I drop everything I'm doing and watch.
Alfalfa Male Only slightly more sophisticated I open a beer can in between dropping everything and watching TPS
Maybe this is a question for another video BUT I would love to see this accomplished because I feel like this is what everyday users could aim for. On a reasonable budget, what would you use to accomplish the following: 1) Wet/dry sound (what 2 amps would be your go to) 2) what would be your go to pedals with these options: tuner, Fuzz, overdrive, boost, volume, delay/s (separator pedals or a multifunction like the timeline), harmonic tremelo, & reverb 3) don’t have access to a G3 or G3 atom, just the quartermaster. 4) Single coil & humbucker guitars. 5) favorite sounds to get out of them.
Would love to see the construction of this whole thing like when your construct other boards/set ups.
That Pedal Bordello!
Now I like that A LOT. Mick here. :0)
Bad day, bad week. AND made the mistake of getting into a horrible, depressing UA-cam abuse fest.
But this has perked me up no end. F*$% it! It's Friday and the weekend.
Thanks for making the world a sane place again to you and all your followers.
And as my Friday now seems to be free I can make myself a Wet/Dry/Wet rig.
That pedal palace?
For the win!
Was going to suggest that my self, great name!
That Pedal Palace at Schwangri-La.
Have you guys looked at the Orange Rocker 32? 2 12 combo with 2 power amps and 2 effects loops, so essentially stereo in 1 box. Would be interesting for you to do
The new place should be called ”The Headroom”
sound is pleasantly boosted from the first new shed episode! you guys are murdering it
The Temple Of Tone
The Pedal Grotto looks and sounds amazing! Thanks for all your hard work putting it together and sharing it with us.
The pedal den.... the pedal lair...... the pedal sanctuary...... the hall of tone....
Great minds think a like. We both suggested That pedal Den only 10 seconds apart.
Too funny
Hall of Tone is nice
macleanclassics t the hall of tone is pretty good...
I'd flip it for Tone Hall
Love that ya'll are using amps I can afford! Thanks!
My problem with running multiple amps is that I get twice as much hum.
You need phase reversal in your outputs.
Phase reversal solves phase issues with multiple speakers, not hum problems. Phase reversal can theoretically not only cancel your hum, but also your regular guitar signal. So you really need signal isolators to stop ground loops. Like the gigrig humdinger, or more affordably: a behringer hum destroyer. Or just embrace hum as a fact of life.
That's what I meant! lol
Joseph Smith Ground lift with a Tele in the middle position or a humbucker and there is no hum
You may be having ground loops. Try something like EB Tech Hum Eliminator or Hum X.
Dan + delays = heaven!
And there was I hoping to see a video deconstructing 'Love is All Around'... may be I'm a little too wet.
Ace. A big thumbs up for signal chain graphics.
When's Pete gonna be on?
Sooooooon. :0)
For home use only, my "wet-dry-wet" is set up in a corner of a small room (in a subdivision). I use a "Radial Big Shot ABY" which has 3 switches ( "LIFT", "180", & "ISO"). "A" goes to the center class A (sounding)amp set for slight crunch. It is angled up from about thigh height. "B" goes to a multi-effects pedal with separate stereo leads out to two "clean" amps set on stands at ear height. I carefully balance volumes using a decibel meter targeting 85 dB (minimum level for my ears) at about 9 feet away. The sound is full & rich and I've had no complaints as potentially neighbor-offending bottom end is removed from the equation. Expense is around about $450 US as the amps are hybrid with 8" speakers.
Every time i hear a wet and dry setup, i change my pedalboard. stop it ;)
Tone from today was totally sick guys!, i've had heard that tone my mind/head a thousand times! love it!. You guys are the best! cheers!
The Pedal Files
Oooof.
banjoboys Noooo
Dan, every time you play the blues junior, a huge smile comes on your face :) great video!!
That Pedal Sty
My dry amp is always a Roland JC-40 (priced in the same range as a Blues Jr and AC15) but any solid state that's clean clean 0 to 10 on the volume knob will work. Then I EQ all the high frequencies out of that amp. Clean-af. Wet amp is presently a Two Rock Sensor with Josh Smith/Matt Schofield one-hit delay + Tumnus in the front and a TC HOF reverb in the effects loop. It's the best guitar sound I've ever heard live and I learned it on TPS. When I was young I spent a lot of time learning some Al DiMeola runs. With my Wet/Dry-af rig I can hear every single note like a punch in the gut, even though the TR has quite a lot of delay and reverb and gain. So now I figure a Vox or Mesa or another Two Rock wet. I'll try it. I realize having basically a really loud acoustic guitar as the dry amp isn't for everyone. For me though, that's my sound. I can't get enough of it.
New name ; “That Ampy-theatre” ... (as in the Greek word amphitheatre)
I love the "ambience"/dryness of the new place. Both videos have sounded phenomenal. Congratulations :)
"D&M SHOW"
So... what you mean is that we don’t need £30k worth of gear now?!
Just when hundreds of husbands out there finally just convinced their wife already... please, delete this video now!!! :D
For a while I’ve been doing it this way. ABY Amp1 is through effects ending in a TC Mimiq sending the stereo out to Amp2. Amp 3 is the second amp in the ABY output but 100% dry. Amps are Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall DSL 40 and dry is a Hampstead. Sounds epic!
"That Pedal Farm"
Richard McEntee beat me to it 😀
Dan, your technique is amazing!!1..a pleasure as always to listen to you play!
One moron must have accidentally hit the dislike button.
We have one, usually in the first 10 mins. I get concerned when they’re late! Mick. :0)
Haha they must be jealous. Amazing sounds today, as always!
Can’t please some people
I got inspired by this and built my own wet/dry/wet rig. Fender Bassbreaker on the left side, Peavey 5150 on the right and in the center a small solid state marshall practice amp. That and a couple of delays and electric lady and my life is complete (for the moment)!!!
I miss seeing the Lazy J by the way!
YES! If it inspires, we’re happy. :0)