Be Quiet! Noise, Hum, Gates & Suppressors - That Pedal Show
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
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Are you buzzing, hissing or humming? Well, enough about Saturday night/Sunday morning and on to this week’s show. Groan.
Regular viewers will know that Dan and I are not big fans of noise gates and suppressors… for reasons on which we expand in this episode. However there does come a point where it can be appropriate to use one, so we discuss the causes of noise, potential remedies and solutions before exploring when and where you might wish to bring in some technological, pedal-shaped help.
Do we run through all the commonly available noise gates and suppressors on the market? No. And we never will, but we do offer some food for thought if you //think// you might need one.
Please enjoy the episode…
Pedals in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• D’Addario Pedal Tuner
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2tIN4lD
USA: bit.ly/3IRrhPE
Australia: bit.ly/2tfHqHN
• Laney Black Customs TI Boost
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2Ip9fVb
USA: bit.ly/3m3UBcc
• Ibanez Tube Screamer Mini
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2dRVXa2
USA: imp.i114863.net/mM4KX
• Amp Tweaker Tight Metal Pro - no longer made, links to latest version
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3JM8bet
USA: bit.ly/337KsV0
• Walrus Audio ARP-87 Multi-Function Delay
UK: bit.ly/2khFrA2
USA: bit.ly/3s5wr4J
Australia: bit.ly/2xXMsvF
• TC Electronic Sentry
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2Lcwa7X
USA: imp.i114863.net/rMEKR
Australia: bit.ly/2JfKQBv
• Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2NJLafe
USA: bit.ly/33uw6yp
Australia: bit.ly/2NJt1xS
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 0:00
- What are we doing today? 0:54
- The bigger question: 1:20
- Today’s amps: 2:02
- Amptweaker Tight Metal Pro and the Strymon Big Sky - noisy! 5:35
- Death to the daisy chain! 6:45
- Clean power is the MOST important thing: 8:50
- Goodbye daisy chain, hello isolated power: 9:47
- When gain adds noise: 12:30
- Pickups, hum and strategies for coping: 16:35
- Humbuckers. Bucking hum: 22:25
- The problem of high gain and noise: 29:25
- But I want loads of gain! 31:35
- Time for a gate or suppressor. But only now: 33:50
- Gate or suppressor? 34:25
- TC Electronic Sentry: 37:50
- Tight Metal Pro noise gate: 45:27
- Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor: 47:58
- What about other loop effects? 53:20
- Why not just forget about all that other stuff except the noise gate? 56:30
- General conclusions and observations, long-winded windbags that we are! 58:20
- The stank face and Mick’s power supply story: 59:05
Guitars in this episode:
• Fender Custom Shop 1952 Telecaster - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2Hlpy5Y
• Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335 - no video yet
• Collings 290 DCS - watch Mick’s video at bit.ly/2dDG96k
Amps in this episode
• Victory V30 The Countess MkII with V212-VH (1 x Celestion Vintage 30, 1 x Celestion G12H Anniversary)
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2Dh1f7Y
• Marshall 1987x with 1960AX cabinet with 4 x 12-inch Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
UK & Europe: bit.ly/31eVWmc
USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/3v3Xazc
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There's a T shirt for you. "With great power, comes great isolation."
CodyMBB I would buy at least two of those shirts.
Not sure how well this comment aged
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This is funny. You don't need a noise gate! *constant noise throughout the entire video*
These deaf boys can't hear the CONSTANT noise
Every Time I feel like I have a handle on guitar info, you guys come along and show me I know nothing. Asymetrically wound? I had no idea that was a thing! I used to think I hated learning. You both have showed me that while I HATED school, I absolutely love learning. Cheers gents. Never stop.
Ah that’s awesome Eran :)))
Let's cut right to it...it's time for a new Grammy category and time for these two fellows to be recognized for the sheer body of and value of the work they have done...! Talent...this is as good as it gets. EXCELLENT as usual!
Larry Marseglia I fully agree. Best guitar gear show. I have learned so much in a short (and in guitar universe, a few years is short) period for absolutely free. Not 1 shop will take the time to explain even 5% of what these amazing guys do.
This show deserves so much more subscribers.
Now I'm going to order the TPS shirt Mick is wearing.
Thank you so much guys!
This is going to be such a useful episode for so many players out there. We get emails every week from people asking about how to rid noise from their systems so I'll be pointing a lot of folks to this video. I like Mick's point about single-coil hum being a part of that guitar's sound.
For a time I thought the buzz from my amp was a power supply issue. Nope. It was the effects loop of Marshall JCM and an ESP noise suppressor did the trick. For high gain patches, I need to loop in a TCE Sentry to kill the bad frequencies that come up in the gain. To know all that hiss, crackle and buzz is not there anymore does make your tone cleaner, more palatable. It's subtle, but its there particular the higher volumes you go.
I think the issue is less to do with the single coils themselves but the hum that’s increased when it’s run through pedals and amplified. I use both your SlideRig and Cali76 pedals..the larger format versions. Running a SlideRig into a wah into a Fuzz and into my modulation pedals. All that with my Strat (even with noiseless pickups) sounds incredibly noisy and as such I’ve struggled to record using that setup. I’ve just been using my Roger Linn Andrenalinn iii pedal and just going direct. I really don’t think the argument of “its part of the guitar’s sound” is practical when you are trying to get the best guitar sound in a home recording sense.
I would say the ISP Decimator G String is the best noise suppressor/gate on the market today.
For me it's not so much a problem with the guitar itself, like I said I have noiseless pickups in my Elite Stratocaster but soon as I run it through my SlideRig and into a Fuzz it's noise city.
Living with the noise or accepting it as part of the guitar's sound is a bogus argument. It may be all well and good in a live setting or if you are in a punk or Grindcore band but it's not realistic when you are laying down a guitar part in a score for a motion picture or when it's so noticeable in the mix to the point where it's distracting.
Well man at the end of the day you get what you can afford. Unfortunately top quality stuff is priced accordingly.
Like I said...get what you can afford.
Getting the Boss NS-2 installed on my board has been a game changer (all my gain pedals going through the NS-2 loop). I'm working with a singer who is sensitive to amp noise and this is a great solution as well as helping in with the textured ambient playing I like to indulge in at home. Even playing in a regular reggae band, it works a treat. Every now and then I switch the NS-2 off to see what its doing and wow the noise is loud, and definitely not missed. And it's important to note, when you are playing the amp hum and the noise of the single coils are fully there in the sound, so nothing is lost.
Many thanks as always TPS for a great overview and information!
Hi, how do you set all your gain pedas through the NS-2 loop?
Dan, hearing you play Raining Blood made my morning.
Also, I was surprised that white Ibanez Jem didn't make an appearance.
I always wear a tinfoil hat when I play guitar. Perfect for that electromagnetic interference.
This is the correct answer.
Saved my time on this video. Id rather buy a noise supressor than watch this hour long video :D
Starts video saying you never need a noise suppressor. Then spends an hour making a case for why you should have one. Lol
And 66 minutes are still not enough to mention that both the pedals have both a gate and a suppressor function.
Important episode - thanks for doing that. The need for clean and isolated power can not be over emphasized. I learned it the hard way 🤬 Dan has been very polite in not mentioning it - I have no connection to the company whatsoever but I wanted to say: his modular GigRig power system is just the absolute best solution out there. Small, light, powerful, clean, modular ... just absolutely stellar ... my wallet is in pain after buying so much of it, but it is worth it. All noise, hum, cable mess, daisy chain troubles are history now. Trying to save money in the power system is not the way to go. If the pedals are worth it for us, the power must be too.
Totally agree. A quality power supply with isolated power is the way to go. So may guitar players object to spending money on their power supply and wonder why their set up sounds crap when they get tons of noise, hum etc. I use the T-Rex Junior it’s an awesome power supply and I run half a dozen pedals with zero noise.
Saw the NS-2 in action today and went out and bought one used at my local shop... best $40 I've spent on my board.
Seems like every week you add a thousand subscribers to the channel. Love it. Keep up the great work, guys!
I use the Boss NS2 and the TC Sentry for specific purposes (ideal for synth pedals like the EHX 9 series). Mick noticing that the Sentry changed the tone is spot on - it's digital so therefore there is A/D conversion and some latency, hence the phase change Mick noticed. TC don't publicise this but this is how they can do frequency gating in the digital domain. The Boss is totally analog with a colored sound. The Boss is not capable of hard gating and It is not intentionally changing the frequencies either. It is really an Envelope Controlled Amp. This means that the amplitude of the gate follows the amplitude of the input signal. That can be either very useful or very annoying. Saturated signals basically are brickwall limited and don't have much dynamics left. The NS2 can be used to impose the original guitar dynamics onto the saturated signal. But for synth or metal sounds we may not want this. That is where a hard gate can be much better - where the gate is either on or off like a switch and does not change the dynamics in between. The TC can do this. The Decimator is pure analog signal path whith sophisticated hard gating which is why I believe it rules for metal. At 52:30 when Mick notices that the reverb is gated he is correct. It is the NS dynamic behaviour that was letting some reverb through but when he damped the strings the reverb got shut off too. Time based FX don't make much noise and could be inserted *after* the noise gate but still in the amp FX loop. That would allow the reverb tails to ring out fully and mask the hard gating. Some metal guys use two noise gates but I don't see the need for this if it's done correctly with the clean envelope detection immediately from the guitar, and the actual gating done immediately after the final dry sound stage but before any wet FX that need to ring out. Great show :)
It's like, Dan shows his metal/shred roots once in a while and he's at home. He does the blues kind of stuff and stumbles because it's not his thing. Just shred Dan, SHRED AWAY.
Mick, you can chug decently too tho
I'm happy for Bea to become That Pedal Show's resident Djent/Prog expert.
Excellent episode guys. Just hearing that you guys are actually getting the same noise that I do and that it is normal alleviated so many worries. You also presented great solutions. Thanks so much. On a side note, the lighting is improving as you guys are getting used to your new digs. It looks a lot brighter without sacrificing warmth. Keep it up guys and thanks as always.
Bravo Dan. I love when you guys do this type of video. Very very useful and educational. I know a little bit more now than I did an hour ago.
That ending was the best thing that ever happened on TPS
They literally look like Beavis and Butthead rockin out.
The thing I didn't realise at first about the NS-2 (and similar pedals) is that the level detection and gate/expander happen in different places. Using the NS-2 jack labelling, the level detection happens between Input and Send, and the gate/expander is applied between Return and Output. That is, the Input signal is a sidechain for the gate/expander. This arrangement lets you use the lowest-noise, uncompressed signal for the level detector (by plugging your guitar straight in to the Input), and it doesn't matter how much extra noise is present in the signal coming back into the pedal's Return, it'll get muted when the guitar is quiet.
So, put your wah, compressor, boost, distortion, preamp, etc. between the Send and Return. Then route the pedal's Output into your amp's Return (yes, the pedal won't reduce noise from your amp's power stage, but that shouldn't be a problem). And, as explained in the video, you should place any delay/reverb effects after the pedal's Output so it won't be gated as well (unless that's what you're going for).
About the only issues with the scheme are: 1) the fadeout/gate when you cross the threshold can be abrupt, especially if you're relying on feedback to sustain a note or chord, and 2) changing conditions as you move around can raise the guitar's noise level above the threshold. And 3) the potential confusion of the extra cabling and having the amp in the pedal's FX loop and the pedal in the amp's FX loop simultaneously. :)
I love when Professor Dan takes us to school! I must have watched the VCPI episode half a dozen times when putting together my first pedal board (after 20yrs playing guitar) just to make sure I understood what to do about noise and such. Thank you guys for all the help! Much love to everyone involved
I've been wanting an independent video on this subject for so long, thank you guys so much for giving me the info I need so I know what do to when I look for pedals for my dream board
Great episode. Sometimes I watch tps just for fun, sometimes it’s to solve a problem with my guitar tone. Today was the later, and I’m glad I did. I need to tame down the noise from my combination of boost and fuzz. I’m not a super high-gainer, but I like being able to roll my guitar volume knob to get anything from thick fuzzy goodness to chimey OD. The Land Devices harmonic percolator is perfect for that, but especially with my always on dirtyish boost in front of it, the noise is massive (even with an isolated power supply, MXR Iso-Brick)!
I cannot thank you guys enough for this video. Particularly the first half. Indispensable information.
In the beginning, there was a plan. You came into existence with a purpose! And you’re fulfilling that universal purpose! Best pedal channel imo.
Loved this episode. It is so much better now with me recording via a clean amp with a power brick instead of daisy chaining. Always find the shows useful from you guys. Thank you. :)
Hey Daniel and Mick, the TC gate is probably the worst gate ever to take as an example. And you’re right Mick noticing a difference in loosing frequencies, when turned on. It’s a shame you didn’t have the ISP G-string, because it is by far the best gate pedal on the market.
I am always amazed as to how you guys take what seems to be a simple pedal, into a science experiment, AND have it all make perfect sense. I have a whole new respect for power isolation and when to use a gate (even if the hiss got really grating at times - lol). And one thought, might be good to put a cabling graphic up when talking signal chain. I'm not sure I get how it was setup, but would be nice to see it visually. Thanks guys!
I can NOT thank you guys enough for the amount of info shared in this medium format. VCPI episode and this made me feel like I went to audio engineering school for rockers. Absolutely brilliant! I will have to live with that single coil hum, it’s just that sound. Tone chasing is a never ending quest.
I use the ISP decimator ll when I have to and it sounds great, no tone suckage at all and it also doesn't kill the sustain at all. Best noise suppressor I have ever used. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, J.S. nothing to do with wiring or power supply.
Great show (again). Thanks.
Humble request here please: Might you be able to put up on screen a "napkin-sketch" of the signal chain/path at the end of each vid.?
I know there's a lot of the G2 wizardry going on, but when Dan said the guitar goes into the NS, is that direct and then the out of the NS goes into G2? Or is there a loop out from the G2 going into the NS which then does a merry dance around any number of combinations of loop/pedals then split into humdingers then back to the input of amp(s) then... etc. For me a very basic sketch would be most useful in the learning curve...
Thanks again.
I tried them all and owned a few. I use 60 pedals. YES 60. They are in 5 loops. The dirt pedals are in 3 and I use 3 Sentry gates. I have no problems at all. The Sentry are the very best!!!
One thing I should add. Once setup for your particular rig you can leave it alone. But before I do a tune you reset the decay knob with a minor tweak to just get the right perfection for the tune I'm doing and the pedals I have selected. I can tighten up parts of tune like when playing chords for backing a vocal when I use a medium gain OD. It makes all the parts I play come off like the sound you hear on recordings where the engineer has cleaned up all the slop. I couldn't live without them. Without them the overall sound sounds crude and amateur.
Don’t forget the merit of the in-between pickup positions when using single coils.
I’ve had to change all the lighting in my studio due to interference from transformers.
This is such a great subject guys thanks for covering it.
Another great video. Being a metal player I knew pretty much everything covered but still enjoyed it. Obviously with you not playing in that world you don't need these pedals but its not always possible to turn down the volume in fast start/stop parts & that's where gates etc are essential.
38:57 Raining Blood time! You two are awesome!!!!!
Mitja Jalovec SLAAAAAAAYER!!!
I used to need a noise gate....isolated power from gig rig and a G2 has made me forget all about that 🤙
Thank the good lord for That Pedal Show. I've been using the Sentry for over a year and still had a bit of noise (not much) from the high gain channel. I finally get around to watching this video. It's simple. Just run the send and returns through the fx loop. Problem solved. I had no idea. Thanks guys. SLAAAYEEEERRRR \m/
Top notch vid, I as a metal guitarist have been Ummming over the sentry gate pedal for at least a year as mine only cuts the obvious sound and therefore ruining attack and tone and this has helped me decide to take that plunge and just from watching this vid I've confirmed what my main signal issues are...just the kind of info I've needed recently so this vid was a treat!
I love how Dan is trying to make a serious point *Mick reaches over and drinks out of comically large water bottle* actually though. That thing must be a half gallon of water! Hydration = Tone
Great show gents. Loved the Slayer!
My experience.. I was using two handmade power supplies that I ordered from one guy that makes them in another city untill I finally had a budget for a new proper power supply. I bought the Fender Engine Room 12 and was blown away by how silent my rig was as soon as I turned it on for the first time. I even thought that my amp volume was at zero haha. But there was another revelation after that.. I have two power sockets in my room, and the difference in noise between those two is very noticable. One socket is waaay too noisy. So there you go, those guys are right when they say that it's important to consider and fix all of those problems before investing in something further. Someone inexpireienced could easily been caught up in it if the sockets were the main problem even after buying a good supply or something similar.
This was the best episode! most in depth about a subject we all most go through NOISE.
Thanks guys!
Great episode! I was using an ISP decimator g string and it worked great for some time. But once I discovered my power supplies were causing proximity noise I replaced those and my rig was quiet as a mouse.
Hooray. :0)
Still saving for the whole G2 system for a big board however at the moment my small gig board, used all the time, uses a 1 spot daisy to power a D+M and a keeley comp only, then i have an HX FX and use its included supply...i also have a 1 spot cs12 brick on my medium board, its great...great episode guys!
Mike Nappi +1 for the CS12, superb power supply
I agree, I have one and it's great, but still doesn't have enough connectors. There are never enough!
That's why I use two bricks and two separate 9v adapters. C'est la vie.
what a great and helpful video - now I immediately will go down to my basement music room, put a sign on the door "Bucking Hum Palace", use candles instead of electric lights and re-cable my pedalboard :-D
my gosh ! that tone with the P-90 thru the tube screamer, TB, and big sky ,just great .
I find the 1 spot pro 7 to be a great power supply, I've never had noise issues using it.
Dan playing Slayer on a Telecaster. Pure gold.
Great show as always! Just wanted to share a signal path that served me wonders as a someone who uses gain pedals as well as heavy amp gain.
Guitar->tube screamer -> OCD -> Input of NS2-> Send of NS2 into input of amp -> send of amp -> GE7 -> return of NS2. And by using it all with a switcher I can get rid of the NS2 when I'm playing clean.
I just love this show. Every second is instructive and/or entertaining. Awesome work guys, cheers!
16:46 Mick demonstrates how the light saber sound was achieved
Really, really looking forward to the show where you bring Rabea on again!. Stop teasing!
Great job guys ! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Amazing video, great demos and explanations, thank you guys!! You’re the best! I just got a preamp Engl E530, really high gain equipment and the noise supressor works just like you say! :-)
Cheers!
Greeting from Portugal and stay safe, stay healthy.
Dan, it’s not Red, but i have to say I am liking butters more and more...
Saw Radiohead last night for the first time. Dan, beautiful work on Ed’s board. The sounds manifesting were otherworldly. That is all.
Ah, cheers mate :)
Great shows as always, gentlemen. Thanks for the content.
Really helpful advice here. As a Worship guitarist I’ve struggled keeping the noise down with drive pedals / single coil hum but then had issues when doing volume swells where the first part of the note is lost... sort of have a love/hate relationship with noise gates etc and as my playing has progressed I’ve also come to the realisation that without is better and knock the volume off when not playing! So glad you guys are on this same wavelength! I guess I’ve learnt a lot from you guys over the episodes! Thanks
i know it seems silly. but please do a video on tuners... there an essential. and ive always wondered why you have the di'addario or the strobe? please do one. everyone i know wants it ;')
Daniel Harper big issue with tuners is always how easy they are to read in bright sunlight. So, outside broadcast needed for That Tuner Episode. Before the British summer ends. This weekend really...
Ooooookay. We use the D’Addario because it works and they sent it to us. Nice and bright, big display. I use the TU-3s, Mick here. Dan uses the Sonic Research jobbe. Very personal decision. Cheers!
Basically get a Korg or Boss... Done. - I've had the TU-2 for over maybe 15 years, still working despited being stomped on very regularly. - The only reason I'd want a different one is the looks and design and perhaps newer ones would respond a little quicker. But every time I just kinda shrug and don't bother replacing it, cause it's still like new and doing nothing wrong actually.
keep in mind that having a meter that shows how many cents off-pitch a note is can be crucial for some musicians picky about intonation/temperment. Check out guitarist James Taylor's youtube video on how he tunes his guitar.
Honestly I can't hear the difference when I follow his oddly specific instruction vs standard tuning. Some people have 8 strings with a fanned fretboard, and the advice may not apply to them. Others rely on a trem/whammy to fine tune each note they play and DGAF about tuning.
@@ThatPedalShow two things in observation here. 1 being that the lights interfering with lights etc. I'd recommend getting your guitars shielded as it will help reduce noise
thank fuzz it's friday!
Loved your approach to this complex topic about noise - you guys are always teaching me new things - nicely done! I just started using a TC Sentry for my P90 LP when pulling high gain out of my Marshall amp. Easy to switch the Sentry off when the gain is dialed back and its not needed. I just run it in the effects loop, but I will have to try the setup you used today. That Boss noise suppressor did a nice job as well ... hmmm. Loved that P90 guitar Mick! The creamy tones you pulled out of that guitar were amazing! 60 cycle hum is something to be embraced, not feared :)
I really appreciate this topic. I play a lot of metal and hardcore and it has taken me years and years to come to terms with how giant crunch and clipping gain sounds are produced AND perceived.
Dan and Mick haven’t heard Metal since 1986. 😂😂😂😂😉
Maybe if you bring Rabea for a Metal equivalent of this, you can get Kevin Shields and do a proper Shoegaze show.
9:30 "If you don't power your pedals right, NOTHING else matters".
I have my NS-2 on top of my amp, the signal is treating the input and the loop of the amp. I use the shortest possible cables and I use a parametric eq in conjunction with the NS-2. I did all the suggested things as far as proper power and fixing the ground loop problems as well. It made a world of difference. I used 2 gates previously. Now, I just need one now. I use the Two Notes Torpedo Captor 8 to tap a signal to send to fx now. So, the amp is a master preamp and can be used dry only for wet/dry/wet.
Great video, Im a big fan of both of you guy, i really love to learn every time a little more about the gear world!!!
I’m sure this will be a useful episode for a lot of people. Personally I find the hum of single coils and noise from a dimed fuzz rather reassuring that everything is about to sound glorious😄
I’m 100 per cent with you. Mick here.
absolutely yes
This is the proper way o' things. ✊🏼
That Pedal Show I have an AC30 with only the one pedal (Wampler Plexi Drive) and for some reason when I plug it in via amp and guitar, it makes a lot of noise. Is this because the power adapter I use to power the pedal is terrible?
George Richards
It could be. Make sure what you use is the proper volts and ma(milliamps) for the best result.
Does your Vox have a Bright, or second channel, that gets more of the noise? Because your using a Marshall in a box style pedal, with your Vox, so you want to have your amp set right as well.
Wampler will answer questions on his channel quite often, maybe email him. It doesn't hurt to try.
Did you see the episode the boys did on Fuzz/distortion with Vox amps? It's a good one you might find interesting, if you haven't already.
I love my ISP Decimator II.
Evan Ward it's a decent pedal. Wish I would have known about the G-string before I picked it up, tbh. Anywhere between 12, and 1 o'clock, the decimator 2 really starts affecting tone
george adkins Not for me.
Bought your pedal, I use it with my Friedman BE 100 amp. Truly an amazing sound. I know that has nothing to do with the context of this show I had to give a shout-out. After chasing a sound I’m 100% happy with for 35 years the search is over.
Wow! Thanks Kevin. Whatever you have, we’re just glad you’re inspired by the sound. That’s all that matters!
What a truly educational and interestingly informative show. I prostrate myself at your feet Dan as the true guru of sound. 👌🏻
I love how natural and how unforced these guys act, it just makes the viewing experience . It’s so much nicer over the usual shouty delivery of other content creators
William Campbell I like the sarcasm, however I don’t think you understood my point.
What I mean is that they don’t look like they put on some false persona i.e: they don’t act overly enthusiastic, shout lots and attempt to force comedy nor do they actively make out like everything they try is the best thing since sliced bread.
William Campbell sorry for taking your message too literally, it can be difficult to understand the tone of message over text 😁
Got a D&M Drive on the weekend.
Love at first shwang. Well done
Hooray! Hope you love it!
What a coincidence this video turning up this week. It just so happens that I ordered a shiny new power setup from Gigrig earlier in the week because I was suffering the exact symptoms you demonstrated here. Can’t wait to rewire the board with the generator, distributors and isolators and get it nice and quiet.
Hey guys! Another fantastic video! Just a comment on the boss. I've used both the boss ns-2 and the sentry the same way you used them in the fx loop of the amp. I've found that if you use the "hiss" mode on the sentry it essentially acts the same way the ns-2 acts. However I've found that the sentry has way more natural of a cut off than the boss. Just an opinion. Maybe something you guys could try yourselves. I know it's definitely helped me. I use a cranked Victory Kraken on Gain 1 pretty much all the time and my sound floor is almost silent. The settings on the pedal are Damp 1:00 Threshold 11:00 Decay 11:00.
Thanks again for making these awesome videos! You guys are what got me really into pedals! Keep it up!
That metal show!
You need Jazzmasters and compare the P90 pickups with the Jazzmaster
Erjim Delos Reyes agreed
That guy on the left use a p90 and it sounds fine without noise gate
Jazzmaster pickups are very noisy. It would have been great to include them.
Came here because of last week's VCQ and, man, I'm so glad I did. Learnt so much. The daisy chain is in the bin! I now have a power brick. Dan you're a legend and thanks to both of you as always 👐👊
Thank you very much gentlemen. Appreciated.
It wasn't your imagination -- I've heard that "weird phasing sound" with all TC products I've ever tried, Spark boost excepted. Something about their A/D conversion, I reckon.
Never did get on with TC so maybe that's why
Great show. My only problem noise is the preamp on my old Boogie for some mainly acoustic type gigs. I use an NS2 rigged the same way as here with the preamp in the NS2 loop. I set the NS2 decay to minimum and the output then goes to delay, reverb and looper on the board before going to the FX return on the amp. Delay and reverb tails sound so good when not competing with background noise!
Great show as always, guys.
I have a note for you on the difference between suppressors and gates. Dan rightly described the way a gate works: kills all signal below the threshold. A suppressor works a bit differently. It's kind of like the opposite of a compressor. A suppressor uses gain reduction to lower the noise floor. Like a compressor, you set a threshold. But like a gate, the gain reduction is applied to signals below the threshold. A typical suppressor applies between 20 and 80 dB of gain reduction below the threshold. The gain reduction is full frequency, though. The operation is just less brutal than a gate. Because of the way a suppressor operates, some people find them to sound more natural.
Btw, LOVED the Slayer nod at the end. Totally was not expecting that.
Great show guys. You’ve definitely started to hit your stride in the new “That Pedal Lounge”
Really enjoyed it. The new Victory sounds amazing. 😄🎸🎛🔊🎼❤️
I use a isp decimator in my loop just for when I am using a strat with high gain. Helps with shrieking feedback, though I do play a 100watt peavy xxx in my living room these days.
I have got the same amp actually cheers! Theyre amazing underrated metal amps especially for the price you can get them on the used market these days
My neighbours asked me to play them a tune, "sure, what key would you like it in?"
"Torquay." was the reply.
I live in Manchester.
Thank you, good explanation, cheers
The Stone Deaf Noise Reaper is a good option if you're in the UK. No noticeable difference from the Zuul or ISP Decimator. All three were keyed from sidechain in my comparisons
Isp decimator is great, especially to kill hum between songs
I got hooked by a Tosin Abasi Pedalboard video and got my ISP Decimator II. Never looked back.
What's the steady low hum I'm hearing throughout the entire show? Really annoying after a while...
Oh, right... it was the fridge in the room next to me.
I was just sitting here thinking about that. After years of modeler amps/pedalboards and bedroom playing I’ve joined a band and bought myself a proper amp rig and have started buying pedals and I’m trying to make sense of it all, then I was watching this thinking “oh god that must be unbearable in the room” then I realized my computer, fridge, air conditioner, etc all making so much noise all the time that I’ve just grown immune to. not that I don’t feel like a noise suppressor wouldn’t help, but I guess I don’t need to go throw another $200 or so down the drain after I’ve just bought another pedal this week.
My dog is snoring
This is fantastic! I guessed this was the problem with my pedals last week and ordered an isolated power supply. Now I get a full explanation about why I needed to do it!
Yes chalk and cheese, I just finished my board with the gig rig power the best thing I have purchased.
Now I can just play more and not plug and take pedals out to get good sound now all pedals are on and I can just play.
Thanks Dan and Mick for all the knowledge
30:40 Mick talking about bass there in metal, it's funny because John Petrucci said he often has the bass off on his rhythm tone, but compensates a little with a graphic eq
Oisin McPhillips unsure of that context, but Petrucci isn't what I would call metal.
stubkar ummm, what? The guitar player who is a leading figure in the prog metal scene? Not metal? What would you consider him as instead? Alternative?
petrucci isnt metal ????? whattTTttt????
I think the Petrucci quote is from dialing in his Mesa mark 2c+s. His Mark series amp has pre gain stage bass eq. so turning the bass up makes the amp flabby and farty. Thats why there is an five band graphic Eq post gain for adding in bass. this makes the bass tight and much cleaner. Petrucci has a lot of bass in his sound but it is tight and controlled.
Correct, I think he sets the preamp bass about 2 and dials in the classic Boogie V on the eq. Boogie's get flubby with too much pre-amp bass dialled in.
I didnt know David Vonderhaar plays guitar!
Noise gate/suppressor is a valuable tool to have on gigs; it can save a gig from noise caused by bad electricity at ”not so great” venues/bars or some random noise from pedalboard (noise that isn’t normally there).
A long overdue subject for TPS to address. Great job! I definitely learned a few tricks/remedies to try the next time hum & noise takes over my rig.
Should have got hold of a Fortin Zuul. About the best gate on the market.
Super smart design for a gate. I bet Dan would be impressed.
There is no noise. Only Zuul.
have u actually used it ?
Daniel Simon yep.
Without getting too deep, I’m curious as to what distinguishes Zuul from its competition? Does it work similarly to the Sentry only better or...? I should probably do some of my own research lol.
I think it is essential if heavy drive or compression are used .I really like my boss ns2 and it actually slightly enhances the sound on my pedalboard
nicholas peter gagg why would you need gate with a compression pedal?
because one of the things a compressor does is make the quiet parts louder. So, if your sustain is up high, the otherwise quiet noise will become MUCH more noticeable.
My Comp has an inbuilt gate. You can roll it off completely and bring it up if necessary. Mi Effects Compressor.
I have my NS2 at the beginning of the chain, love it, also use it to power half my board, great pedal.
Interesting! I never had noise problems because I use independent transformers and batteries. But it's a pain in the neck sometimes. One day I will solve that with some of your stuff Dan.
Cheers!
Keep your cell phone away from your guitar cable too.
SLAYER! Lol
Yea, they need a jcm 800 for this episode
I love my MXR Smart Gate! There is nothing out there that sounds as natural and cleans up your noise as well. Not weird harsh cut offs when ringing out notes. Try it out!
Awesome Episode ... great explanation of different sources of noise ...VICP !! Thanks for this one guys! Cheers