Israel Faces "Excruciating Dilemmas" in Fighting Hamas, Says Amb. Dennis Ross | Amanpour and Company
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- It’s been 30 years since President Bill Clinton presided over one of the most momentous handshakes in history. The Oslo Accords raised hopes for peace in the Middle East, and ambassador Dennis Ross played a key role in negotiating the agreements. He joins Michel Martin to reflect on why the promise of Israeli-Palestinian peace remains unfulfilled, and what must be done to reimagine a better future for the region.
Originally aired on October 13, 2023
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Palestinian women and children and babies face even more of an "excruciating dilemma"
No one is beheading their babies or putting their kids in cages burning them alive or raping then butchering their women.
At this time of great anguish in Israel and the diaspora, we take our place in solidarity with, and amongst, our people. I’m sure you are as familiar by now as I am, with images and reports of terrible atrocities committed by Hamas against men, women and children in the south of Israel and the thousands of rockets indiscriminately fired, landing as far north as Tel Aviv and east to Jerusalem and the West Bank. The threat to the northern border from an even bigger and more deadly Hezbollah remains very real. The murderous and frankly, sadistic acts reported to have been perpetrated on our women and babies have horrified us all beyond words.
Of course, you will be aware that the events to which I’m alluding came as an almost complete surprise to Israeli citizens and the entire world.
@rosykatzCATS the beheading ect.. narrative has been debunked it is not true. Search for the articles even the Biden administration admits this after Biden said he saw images. A lie.
For context I'm against all violence and Isreal should stop stealing homes and leave the Palestinian lands. Isreal has been accused of crimes against humanity and apartheid. They came to this land purposely to steal it and has faced blowback since. This atrocity by hamas was provoked and Isreal is doing what they wanted to do ever since initiating the zionist movement. That is the eradication of all Muslims.
@@rosykatzCATSsearch for the Nakba massacre of 1948 where jews k:!!ed @ 15,000 innocent men women and children Palestinian.
To stop supporting terrorism and give their children a chance?
do you know how they are treated every day? Have you been there or just listen to mainstream fake news to get your info? If you don’t know the truth or been there, don’t jump in to the conclusion so soon. Watching the war scenes doesn’t represent the real story behind.
Outstanding Interview.
Thank You.
As usual its the regular people, everywhere, who bear the brunt of extremists' hostility, rage, and hate.
Watching from Rhode Island-another excellent line of questioning Ms. Martin & much kudos for consulting with the so informative and insightful Ambassador Ross-I hope the Biden leadership is thinking like Mr. Ross-& consulting with him as well.
Really appreciate that among what he said he covered the idea (need) of rebuilding Gaza after this into something that's not a living hell. That is absolutely legit. And that he didn't hide the truth of what was likely to happen, what was unavoidable, and what little wiggle room Hamas has left to Israel when it comes to potential casualties.
But this is also a bit like the Vietnam war in that you have underground tunnels and support of many people within Gaza.
A large amount of that support is from desperation, or at gunpoint or both.
Regardless, Hamas will be able to hide and embed itself and it's like a hydra, once you cut off one head another grows.
I think the Ambassador is still in disbelief. I hope what he says is true that we can look forward to a breakthrough between Saudi Arabia and Israel, but this better be soon because a huge series of crimes are being perpetrated on the people living in Gaza, from both sides: Hamas and the extremist Netanyahu government.
so he's suggesting the Gazans to bring in a landscaper after Israel levelled it ,to make it...nice? Throw in some curtains and you've solved the entire Middle -East.🧐 This cyclical bombing and culling of a civilian population to squash their aspirations for statehood is literally known as 'mowing the grass' in IDF doctrine. That is A WAR CRIME!
but still keep it a prison, but a fancy one.
Their is another party Arab nations esp the oil states need to step up-they haven’t and they won’t even financially…the solution is OBVIOUS - place Gaza under under unc control and rebuild, pull back some settlements from west bank and finally settle in a permanent border-both will have to MKE COMPROMISES…AND don’t forget we still have the mess that is Lebanon- NOnE of the Middle East Arab nations are capable of self government or democracy, THAT is the problem. And Islamic fundamentalism only makes that dysfunction more medieval.
There you have it it ALL gets back to Ulsan doenst it ?
This is a brilliant piece. Very well executed and gives a sense of the “ground truth” from a major player in the “peace” movement who has had his life’s work sabotaged by Hamas on multiple occasions. Which is unsurprising given the commitment of Iran and their toadies Hamas to the complete and utter destruction of the state of Israel. A two state solution will never be possible if Hamas is one of the states since it foundationally opposes a two state solution but instead promotes the latest incarnation of the all too familiar “Final Solution” to the “Jewish Problem”.
Well said robert!
As MANY are starting to see it as the 2nd Nakba...
A two state solution fails at both states in question.
The Hamas terrorists (impotently) want to murder all jews.
The israeli facists (which have had some majority for a long time now) aspire to a palestinian genocide in a sick nazi reenactment ... complete with settlers claiming Lebensraum in the east and a giant, fenced in camp to effect murder on an industrial scale.
I’m watching shattered dreams of peace to get a better understanding of what’s going on very interesting
How can the Palestinians survive within Gaza without homes or infrastructure until rebuilding occurs. It’s nonsense. The wholesale destruction of the Gaza Strip cannot be allowed.
So we start all over after a few years, with Hamas having better weapons, more militias and indoctrinated even more of Gaza's residents.
So many opportunities were lost to avoid this. The immediate responsibility right now lies with Hamas, who are despicable and inhuman, but the Israeli governments in the history of Israel have also committed terrible injustices towards the Palestinians. My heart cries for all the innocent victims on both sides. Innocent Palestinians are just waiting to be massacred! Because it is impossible for all of them to evacuate, this is absolutely horrendous!!!
is it not interesting , where ever usa meddles in, there's always bloodshed an carnage ?
And the world knows, and appears to be doing precious little to avert it, despite it being televised. There will be no one on the planet who will be able to say "but we didn't really know or understand what was happening."
Injustice, leads to desperation, hence revenge. Sorry for the suffering and bloodshed. Nobody wins, you can win the war and loose the battle. There will be no peace without justice.
They are human. Stop dehumanizing people. Over 50% of Gaza is under 15.
@isabt4 Thank you for saying what you've said. 😥💔
Michelle, well done. This interview took a lot of restraint. Masterfully conducted.
Yes! The distinction between Hamas and Palestinians would help so much. I always feel that lumping all into one is so wrong and off-putting, to anyone who sees the bigger picture.
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This is disgusting collective punishment. The Israeli have been looking for an excuse to carry out ethical cleasing for 65 years and now they have it....they are illegal occupiers and now can close down the illegal open prison permanently while we stand by and meekly accept this slaughter... we should be so ashamed to allow this beyond awful injustice to take place under the disguise of getting terrorists.. this is world wide sponsored genocide
But the problem is that Hamas is in charge of the area and IS supported by large parts of the Gazan population. It's like a cancer, and cutting it out will entail lots of normal tissue being destroyed. It's heartbreaking for both sides, but unless you feel that Israel doesn't have a right to exist then there's not a moral equivalence. If Hamas laid down there arms there would be peace and a gradual opening to normalcy; if Israel laid down its arms they would be slaughtered.
@@WhizzingFish12 No one said lay down arms. There is no high moral ground in "We're going to kill thousands, to target Hamas."
Interesting interview Michele. Amb. Ross has a thoughtful understanding of this horrific situation.
Where has been the Humanitarianism for the past 75 years as Palestinians are being continuously pushed into a small piece of a desert land? Unless we treat humans like humans, we can’t expect them to behave like humans.
America and Britain created this horror show and fund it. Bibi finances Hamas to undermine peaceful solutions
She did a great job with this interview.
The problem goes back much longer ago than 30 years. The British and UN took away land from the Palestinians to create the state of Israel. What baffles me is how the Jews could be such victims of the Holocaust and oppression and then turn right around and do similar oppression to another group. This gentleman's perspective is completely one sided. Israel supported Hamas as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority. No mention of the Israel causing Gaza to be the world's largest outdoor prison.
EXACTLY !!!
BUT THEY ARE TWISTING THE NARRATIVE !!!
PROPAGANDA AT ITS FINEST.
And given what happened when there was a breakout of that prison (1300 murdered, 3000+ wounded), I'd say Israel has been proven right to turn Gaz into an outdoor prison. No one seems to see that, despite it being glaringly obvious now, proven de facto. Israel should have build better walls and control even better what was allowed in. Because that prison turned out have the best weapon stockpile of any prison in the world and containing the greatest concentration of the most ruthless, brainwashed serial murderers in the world. And Israel should have left them free to come and go between Israel and Gaza, importing anything they wanted, T-72, sophisticated missiles. Some times, when people are put in prison, their is a real good reason for it: to protect civilized society from them. Mind you, the Gaza civilians also suffered, but again because of the repercussion of Hamas behavior. Gaza's only chance, what will be left of it, is to be rid of Hamas. And maybe, if this time they have to rebuild it themselves, they may think about it twice before choosing leaders that will inevitably cause it to be destroyed again in 5 years just because they need killed Israelis and Palestinians civilian casualties to feed their Public Relation war.
And they took that land with no regard for the people on it. And you’re right about what the Jews have become. This is what hate does and what’s worse is that the far right are in charge. Authoritarianism doesn’t work, it’s just people wanting power at all costs. Israel’s behaviour has forced me to take sides.
@imirim In answer to your wondering how one group of historically stateless people (the Jewish people) could give rise to a second stateless people (the Palestinians), I can only recommend Hannah Arendt's 1951 "The Origins of Totalitarianism"--THE most scholarly, serious, and exhaustive study of the centuries of worldwide anti-Semitism I am aware of. And the Palestinian people have been paying the price for what those very centuries of anti-Semitism in nation-states OUTSIDE of the Arab world wrought.
As a side note, I've been hearing reports in the past three days of the widespread use of the long-banned methamphetamine-like drug Captagon by Hamas and ISIS. If true, it could largely account for the unprecedented, horrifying butchery so many innocent Israeli civilians suffered on October 7th. On the other hand, I cannot continue to bear to watch the unprecedented, horrifying butchery of sustained aerial bombardment of the "hostage" 2.3 Palestinians the Western world has deliberately abandoned for decades.
Arendt's book was written in 1951. I believe that if she were alive, she would tell us that NOTHING that we are witnessing should surprise any of us. Not a single thing.
It's like he didn't notice Gaza's been an open-air prison for decades… that's weird 🤔
Because they are just in the way. US wants the Saudi Israel corridor to counteract BRICS.
Excellent show. Great guest and the host asked great questions. Very very informative.
This was a tremendous interview. Well done.
Damn. Imagine being stuck between Hamas and Israel. Between the devil and his brother.
🤦♂️ unfortunately, you’re right…
@@RickMartinUA-cam I'm not sure I believe in "Evil" as a supernatural entity, but in effect, yes. It has been something from hell to the Palestinians.
@@RickMartinUA-cam It's more likely just genocidal psychopathy.
@@RickMartinUA-camhe mentioned Hamas first...the devil....Ishmael fighting against Isaac(Israel)
@@theobserver9131to do more observing...look at the history of the Muslim leadership...they do not want peace. They want to destroy Israel. Go back to history.
I discovered this site in the last week. It is very comprehensive. The moderator is very very good. There are always the best guest….like now.
Amanpour & co team has outstanding journalists and always thoughtful/in depth
Outside of the now retired Bill Moyers, Michel Martin is all time favorite interviewer. I'm no longer much on an NPR listener, but I'm glad she's now hosting NPR's Morning Edition. I loved her on her former show which was cancelled in 2014 - Tell Me More. I periodically listened to her on All Things Considered.
"Let's imagine a world without Hamas. Let's call that world the West Bank." That's what they mean when they say "reconstruction."
Michel Martin, tremendous, would like to buy either a coffee.
EXCELLENT!!
What Ambassador Ross says at 11:30
Hamas is violating the Geneva Code. They are guilty of war crimes. All innocent deaths both Palestine and Israeli are completely the fault of Hamas. Until Hamas is destroyed there will be suffering. Removing cancer often causes suffering to the body where the cancer is located.
Frame leveling Gaza as reprisal against Hamas and ask other countries to fund the rebuild and manage the new Lebannon.
It likely Hamas has gone underground, literally, and or blinded into or disappeared into the main stream of the people of Gaza, only to re-emerge after the Israelis are done with the destruction of Gaza, wherever Hamas has gone, it’s always the innocent who suffer the most in every war…sadly
Thank you so very much for making this discussion available via UA-cam; it's one that must be heard often, as this horror continues.
Yes yes yes. Thank you for this important interview 🙏
I think is time for a two state solution so that each of them will live in permanent peace.
That can only be possible when the aim isn't the destruction of Israel...HAMAS reject the two state solution and HAMAS has widespread support
There have been 4 proposals, all rejected.
3:24 this distinction is key - existential vs political. That’s where Oslo failed, I’d say by design! For the Palestinian state with little or no political or military power, relative to the Israeli position, it was existential. For the Israelis with all the military power it was mostly the politics of how to quietly erase Arab control in their land without drawing unmanageable criticism.
Given how events turned with Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount it must be self evident that the Israeli appetite to cede political rights to the Palestinians was tendentious and fragile at best and delusory at worst.
Great interview.
excellent insights in this interview !
Ross should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize a long time ago.
" Knowing Past Events does not give one the ability to know the future . " Remember that when you see Media manufactured News .
Barn doors don't belong in a house.
Fashion over function. Will do nothing to keep smoke out of the room, should there be a fire.
Excellent discussion.
What they did not tell you is that Rabin was murdered by an ultranationalist Israeli *not* by Hamas. And it was Netanyahu, yes the very same guy, after that torpedoed the Oslo accord. And they did not tell you about open calls to 'flatten Gaza', 'turn it into a parking lot' or 'turn it to glass' implying a nuclear strike (!). Hamas is not the only problem!
Israel will defend itself. They were attacked first, remember? If you were attacked, you would let them destroy you and your family?
Israel has been trying to, with all their might, to beat the life out of Palestinians for 50+ years. The mainstream media is Israel's lapdog.
Good points.
What an extraordinarily informative guest!
But, I do understand the defensive posture that Hamas puts Israel in , by operating ,within or under , the Palestinian civilians. But, I also know that the area is so tight that it is somewhat inevitable to operate in civilian space. Not to say that they do not purposely blend in to regular facilities for cover. Which is not fair to the civilians. I feel Hamas exploits their lives as much as Israel resents their lives.
Israel is almost seeing its worst nightmares coming true. Almost. And this encapsulates the existential crisis for both Israelis and the Palestinians.
IDK if it would ever have been possible to negotiate meaningful peace unless a measure of freedom and security were given to the Palestinians, yet those are the seeds of fear for the Israelis, because of opportunism by Hamas and Hezbollah. It's the Israelis who feel constantly betrayed. You could say security for Israel would be ensured by the humanitarian treatment of the Palestinians, but Israel is too scared to try and when it does make concessions or shows self restraint, it gets slammed into more fear by extremist acts from the likes of Hamas or Hezbollah.
In fact it's the ordinary Palestinians who are hostages to the entire situation but it seems almost quaint to point this out. It seems almost irrelevant like they're collateral damage. At least this is how Israel is reacting now.
You hope that the Israelis aren't walking into a trap because once they are set on the path of exterminating Palestinians en masse, then you lose your legitimacy as a world power and become synonymous with war crimes. Then you see the opportunism for groups who hate US hegemony and the status of the US dollar as reserve currency, you open up other scenarios.
Israel is calling Hamas' bluff by brutalising the Palestinians with the removal of power, water, gas food etc. As if Hamas gives a damn! They clearly don't care, and they have never cared. It makes me very concerned this is a trap to provoke Israel and the US. Wars happen in large part because people don't think far enough ahead. JIMO
I dont believe that Israel resent the lives of the Gazans. They just want to be left alone. And EVERY time they try for a 2-state solution the Muslim extremists sabotage it. Israel has breached agreements at times but NOTHING like the other side. In the end, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc are used as proxies/pawns by Iran, who do NOT want a stable Middle East.
I think it's bleeding obvious that Hamas exploits their lives.
Terrific interview. Michelle Martin the best interviewer on the planet.
This goes back to Theodor Herzel in 1890's and thru the WW1 & WW2 with the British & French and of course 1947 Palestine and 1948 Israel. This is the crux of the issue...
sadly ... no one appreciate historical facts ..
Hamas uses its own people as human shields.
What about the occupied West Bank? Israel needs to leave the areas that don't belong to them
force is all conquering, but its victories short lived
Didn't mention the PMs assasination after that historic handshake
From that same right wing political party and guess what..
bibi was already yapping at it all, nothing change
Very good speaker.
Excellent analysis.
This is such a clear, intelligent appreciation for the complexities of the situation with a potentially viable solution for the future. My only concern is that he does not speak to the ways in which Hamas is embedded into the culture in such a way as to give rise to a new generation of militants. That is the critical piece that has to be addressed, and as he'd so succinctly stated, you cannot reason with an ideology.
I think its absolutely right to say that the conflict can only be solved as a political conflict and the great danger is that a disaster in gaza will not only kill untold numbers of people, but will push the prospect of real peace back decades at the same time, and the danger of escalation along religious or ethnic lines ever forward.
Excellent questions, hard to hear answers.
They just muted my man. He must be kicking some real facts.
The sound is on now.
It’s a 2 Way Street…
One primary problem in Gaza is one that is also faced by Bangladesh, Haiti, China, India, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Half of Gaza’s population is under 18, and Gaza imports 95% of its food. As fuel and fertilizer become ever more expensive, as groundwater and surface water supplies are drawn ever further down, as fisheries and natural systems continue to collapse, and as burning fossil fuels continues to heat up the planet, the world will not be able to continue to subsidize overpopulated Gaza. Gaza and Haiti are even worse than Mad Max, and as the world warms, many other countries will begin to look like Gaza and Haiti.
If you can't feed them don't breed them
Sadly very little of the Oslo Accord has been implemented. Now we have no choice, as some has said.
Leadership on both sides placate extremists who refuse to concede anything.
Horrific situation. Gazans are basically imprisoned by both Israel and Hamas. This guys ideas seem sound and equitable but I fear he is giving too much credit to certain entities. Evidence seems to suggest that his vision will not be fully supported by the very parties (entities) that will need to embrace them and take on the responsibilities to enact them. They will not work as long as either Hamas is still viable in Palenstine or anywhere or Netanyahu and his ilk are in power in Israel. Both of those power bases have to go for there to be peace any advancement of peace and equity in that region.
IMHO, when Israel is finished there will be no people living in the area currently known as Gaza.😢
Great powers must take extreme actions to preserve their nations when facing existential threats, or they disappear in history. It’s not sweet, nice, moral, or humane, but it’s necessary for national survival. The first responsibility of a nation is to survive, to keep its sovereignty.
When America bonbs entire countries, it's called Democracy.
Finally, some sanity
International Humanitarian Rules of War established by whom?
THE PURPOSE IS NOT
TO SAVES LIVES
BUT, ONLY, RAGE VERSES RAGE
You would not feel rage if your wife was gang-raped, your baby beheaded, and your mother brutalized? Wow..
Its a difficult thing, I think the only way to make the fight remotely acceptable is to slowly move people around inside gaza, establish control in the south and bring in infrastructure to support people there, i dont see any other way to move a million people without at least 10s of thousands possibly dead as a result. Anything too quick has to end badly, i hope the war planners take this into consideration.
I wonder which is the group that doesnt commit atrocities here. Americans first
Amrica loves War 🔫
The same excruciating dilemmas faced by the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto.
Release the hostages.
Two states for the future that never came.
GAZA is so small that the Gazans can WALK out until the violence (Hamas) is finished.
Youth it’s your future?
Fascism or Democracy
The Rich and the Poor
On June 22 1982, Joe Biden was a Senator from Delaware and confronted then Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and threatening to cut off aid to Israel. Begin forcefully responded, “Don’t threaten us with cutting off your aid. It will not work. I am not a Jew with trembling knees. I am a proud Jew with 3,700 years of civilized history. Nobody came to our aid when we were dying in the gas chambers and ovens. Nobody came to our aid when we were striving to create our country. We paid for it. We fought for it. We died for it. We will stand by our principles. We will defend them. And, when necessary, we will die for them again, with or without your aid.”
Dennis Ross, where is a state for Palestine in this whole picture???
Michel Martin is a far superior interviewer than Amanapour. Good job!
They are both outstanding. There is no need to put one against the other...
The hate is GROWING
Who and what is Hamas? What nationality are their?
They are Palestinians primarily from Gaza. The organization started as a religious-based social aid movement and slowly shifted toward militarism. They won a majority of electoral seats in 2006 (one year after Israel withdrew from Gaza) and rested control of Gaza from Fatah to take sole control. They have been the governing organization of that territory ever since. They have launched numerous attacks over the years and killed many Israelis. Their primary strategy before this week was relatively small scale attacks such as suicide bombings of public transit in Israel, standard terrorism. Israel retaliated with measured response by bombing their control centers. They shifted strategies to launching rockets as Israel increased border protection around Gaza. Israeli response to rocket launches was to bomb the launch sites and storehouses when the knew where they were. Hamas' response was to build a vast network of tunnels under Gaza and to store weapons in civilian infrastructure such as hospitals and schools. Last week's attack is a shift to a new direct offensive strategy. Israel's response is full-scale war to eliminate the organization.
You can't change Islam... Endof.. Tony cuenca
Who are the 14 year olds throwing rocks? Is this group considered Hamas? If so(?) then what?
To warcrime or not ? nothing excruciating about that 'dilemma' ...and he's an ambassador? No wonder geo-politics are a mess.
Ross has one hell of a nerve... I lost count of how many outrageous, unchallenged statements he made, though I believe Michelle Martin tried harder than most reporters at the moment to get him off his bandwagon; so many commentators right now are fawning and fearful of losing their jobs if they push things too hard-- and that, in itself, can ultimately cost lives.
Of course, not one word is spoken about the continued expansion of settlements on illegally confiscated Palestinian lands--an issue of unending (and often violent) contention AND a violation of international law in which the U.S. colludes by providing billions in aid every year, part of which funds those settlements. Why does the U.S. not prohibit that settlement expansion as a condition of aid to Israel? Why?
At 17:08, Ross (to me) is either outright lying or utterly ignorant in stating essentially that the Middle-East "keeps imposing itself on us." Isn't the horror of all of this the result of seeds that were planted over decades starting in 1916 by the pirate, opportunist governments of the British, French, and U.S. in their "Conquest of the Middle East?" (as the great Robert Fisk put it in his monumental "The Great War for Civilization: The Conquest of the Middle East."
I am weeping, weeping and I wish that the world had not lost Robert Fisk. I believe we need him tonight, just to set even a LITTLE bit of the record straight, and even if only to honor so many thousands of Palestinians who have perished over the decades, whose suffering continues to fall on deaf ears and blind eyes and dead hearts, and not been widely reported by the press, as we could always rely on Robert Fisk and Amira Hass to do (when they could).
In my view, Hamas, the Israeli Government, and the U.S. Government should be standing in the dock at the International Criminal Court.
Of course, none of the three are signatories.
The Israeli and other citizenry who were viciously murdered and held hostage, and the benighted Palestinian people, were ultimately consigned to their dreadful present fates long ago by those three entities, who well deserve to rot in hell for their sins. 😢
Thank you for this comment
Seeds planted in 1919 huh?
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
On point. Mendacious and biased, the man who is himself a jew. The Israeli lobby has done a pretty good job in America and Europe, and the propaganda machine (news/politicians/ broadcasters) has gone into overdrive that any narrative other than that of projecting the oppressor/ occupier as a victim is attacked and described as a supporter of Hamas. Mass cognitive dissonance is at play here.
@@CosmicDamian I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "a Harvard signatory."
@@CosmicDamian So I assume that you were "guessing" that I myself am--or was--a "Harvard signatory." Perhaps better to have said, "Let me guess--you're a Harvard signatory." I was not aware of the student statement you refer to, so I will find it to see on what basis you guessed that I signed it or that I agree with it.
Enlightening interview. Our leaders should listen to this man. He makes perfect sense. Israel should extend humanitarian aid while fighting Hamas. It breaks my heart watching anguished parents ON BOTH SIDES mourning their dead and missing children. Hamas has a stranglehold on these people. No Palestinian in Gaza would dare to negotiate with Israel for fear of death. There is no compromise with Hamas, a group dedicated to the complete destruction of Israel. It might be possible to achieve detente between Israel and the Palestinians. But not as long as Hamas is the group wielding power in Gaza. Hamas has done no favors for the Palestinian people.
Perhaps a huge refugee camp in the Sinai with the portal from Gaza overseen by Israeli and Egyptian forces. Any Hamas member trying to sneak through is very likely to be caught and would certainly not be armed. That would give the IDF an empty city to deal with where there were only 100,000 enemy combatants. Once destroyed to a man the city could be rebuilt, there would be no shortage of labour due to the camp's proximity and some kind of rational government could slowly be re-established overseen by the Israelis.
It would take about 50 years though just like post war Germany.
Well that's my penny's worth. What do you think of the idea?
We cannot occupy their land for 8 decades and expect anything otherwise
Bravo to Dennis Ross for his clear and astute analysis. I detected some whataboutism in the interviewers questions.
That's called good journalism. This guy seemed to overlook key aspects of this conflict. Hamas is a barrier to peace and the west along with the right wing Israeli gov is also.
What fuckn history are yal reading
Israel has been trying to, with all their might, to beat the life out of Palestinians for 50+ years.
The US has NO business in negotiations. That is akin to saying that ISIS could broker a peace betwixt the US and Al Qaeda.
Shame on the US for being Israel's primary benefactor.
Both sides are wrong. Sorry. Who can take a side when you’re deciding between two evils?
You're comparing Israel with Hamas? Did Israel attack our country in 2021? These are the same type of people with the same ideology. Destroy America and destroy Israel. Wake up.
What about the States donate land for Israel settlers and then leave Hamas to be dealt with by the Arabs?
This fellow does not defend Oslo. It was an agreement for one side. He is a crook.
Netanyahu False Flag Ops. He benefits!
At the end of the day, it was never the Israel’s land. We took that from Palestine. Israel is the invader and I have never had sympathy for the over powered invader.
He's right we did the same thing to Mosul to get rid of ISIS. If Hamas is supported by Iran then it would seem natural the Saudis would support Israel's attempt to get rid of Hamas.
Hey thanks for finally giving us the Israeli perspective at long last. How refreshing. You might have mentioned that Ross is Jewish, is rabidly pro Israel and was called sarcastically Israel’s lawyer during the camp David summit. I hope people will at least take away from this the admission that his life’s work achieving “peace “ has been an abject failure.
Israel has been trying to, with all their might, to beat the life out of Palestinians for 50+ years. The mainstream media is Israel's lapdog.
He is seeing solely through the lens of Israel. And this is a dead end.
Thank you so much. My whole family is praying the situation is so dire. And I agree, no state can live in the suspension of horror and anticipation of terror, tearing down the pillars of citizenship precariously put in place after WWII.
Dennis Ross: "I never saw anything like this before; killing indiscriminately whether pro-peace or against peace, old or young". Everyone knows that Palestinian terror was ALWAYS about killing indiscriminately except for Ross. . The difference is this is on a larger scale than the past suicide bombings, etc.
#endhamas
From the river to the sea, Hamas shall no longer be.
Yes. This is a good interview, but Ambassador Ross does not discuss the systematic terrorism of Israel towards the Palestinians over the past 40 years.
Israel has been trying to, with all their might, to beat the life out of Palestinians for 50+ years. The mainstream media is Israel's lapdog.
Ahh yes, the same "excruciating dilemma" that Germany faced during WW2 in how to solve "Jewish problem".
not excruciating - that suggests concern and i can't see any concern towards palestinians at all
The idea that Israel could lump them all together put a fence around them and solve the problem is tragic. And we have seen the consequences this week. This type of terrorism cannot be solved from a far. If Israel is to survive boots on the ground is the only way. You cant build a prison without guards in the place. Otherwise your just creating more brutality for all involved. Yes the police action will involve police being killed but their is no other way short of extermination which is unacceptable. It will be costly in life as well money but if Israel is to exist this is the price.
Israel has been trying to, with all their might, to beat the life out of Palestinians for 50+ years. The mainstream media is Israel's lapdog.
Waste of time. Of all the people who could speak to this conflict you chose the one who is biased against Palestinians to a braindead extent.
Israel is still an occupying force that has Palestinian people living in an apartheid condition. This guy has not put the greater responsibility on the ruling force, Israel.
There is a need for a palestine
state
No wonder negotiations never went anywhere when this guy was involved, he is just another colonial stooge...
What does everyone in the comment section think about the people of Gaza, are they innocent or aligned with Hamas. Do you believe that those Hamas members who committed the Massacre in Israel where in fact members of the Palestinian families who are now seeking human right protection in Gaza?