Dennis Prager - Hamas is a Greater Obstacle to Peace Than Israel
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The Motion: This House Believes that Hamas is a Greater Obstacle to Peace Than Israel.
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The girl who asks a question personifies everything that's wrong in universities today.
TheHippyKiller123: I think she is an ideologue. She sure seemed to be adamant the way she popped up with arms crossed.
Ronayne Maher I can't actually believe she got into Oxford.Oxford clearly isn't what it used to be
She is an Arrogant know nothing!@@Anon54387
If she was in Saudi Arabia dressed like that and addressed a man in that same manner... would she honestly believe that she would be treated with the same respect and dignity that Denis Prager showed her? Or would be be beaten then thrown in jail?
yes, all that pesky critical thinking
8 years later and this is more relevant now than ever.
Why oh why is this still relevant? Certainly Dennis' argument, then, was clear and direct enough, for even the smartest of humans, to admit the emperor has no clothes. I fear the reason this argument continues to be relevant is because anti semitism completely eclipses basic common sense. I'm trying not to lose hope.
Yes it is and this guy shows the absolute delusion of most US commentators once they leave their own shores.
It’s crazy just how out of touch with reality & brainwashed by US media so many US people are & this guy is a prime example
It’s ludicrous that he got/gets to broadcast in the US to so many people because of his myopia but that’s probably the reason why he did/does
@@gilarappaport1020viva la Israel
This lecture was truly ahead of its time.
Was Britain occupying German territory in 1939?
Gaza is not occupied. Israel has left the Gaza strip in 2005. @@seanmacmillan5562
Any reason why UN statistics show that in the Israeli Palestinian conflict that 95% of ALL DEATHS are Palestinians? Could the media only showing Palestinian casualties be ACCURATE considering 95% of the time, it WAS a Palestinian person???
Yes, according to the third Reich@@seanmacmillan5562
The History of the imaginary Palestinian state:
1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before Alexander's empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was no kingdom of Israel in the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. 20. In fact, in this plot of land kingdoms fell and fell .. But there was never a Palestinian state or a people.!@##
The Palestinians are Arabs and Arabs came from the Arabian Peninsula, they are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula .
It is pure propaganda to claim that Arabs are native to Palestine or that the Palestinians are not Arabs.!@#mmm!!!!!@.
That British woman is a fool.
Hedgerow I’m British and I agree she’s a spoiled brat
And was clearly no match for Mr Prager.
I saw her in another video too, same shit happened. Search "curb your islamophobia"
Its okay bruh...we not take it deep...i meann yahhh...what do you expect from her outfits😂😂😂
They all are
What the hell? She asks "How come all of those groups are Muslim?" and thinks that's an indictment of Prager rather than militant Islam?
"Facile moral thinking"...well put Dennis!
I thought the same.
Her question was demonising to Islam and muslims
The notion that Israel is defending itself is as absurd as the notion that a rapist is defending himself from the victim, because Israel is the occupier.
The middle-east conflict….In a nutshell, it’s this: One side has been enduring displacement and occupation.
The Palestinians, descendants of the ancient Canaanites, aspire to live in their own homeland, free of occupation and with rights equal to any other nation. They recognize the Jewish history in the land but assert their own millennia-long connection to Palestine. The tragedy is that many, including some in Israel, do not recognize the rights of the Palestinians to self-determination in their own state.
This has been true since 1947 when the United Nations voted to divide the land called Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. While it is often mentioned that Arabs rejected this plan, the complexities of why are seldom discussed. For the Palestinians, this plan was seen as partitioning a land where the majority were Arab, without their true consent.
In 1948, as Israel was established, approximately 700,000 Palestinians were displaced from their homes, creating a refugee crisis that persists to this day. Known as the Nakba or "catastrophe", it is a sorrowful event for Palestinians, marking loss and dispossession.
Years later, in 1967, Israel expanded its borders, occupying territories including the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. These areas are considered by international law as occupied territories. Yet, settlements, considered illegal under international law, have continued to grow, taking more land from Palestinians.
When Palestinians resisted occupation, their uprisings were met with force. When they sought diplomacy, the path to statehood remained elusive. And when they tried to tell their story to the world, they often faced deaf ears.
For decades, Palestinians have seen their land shrink, their rights curtailed, and their call for justice muted. They have repeatedly asked for the end of the occupation, the right of return for refugees, and a capital in East Jerusalem.
Consider the reality of life in Gaza. The blockade has resulted in a humanitarian crisis, with limited access to basic necessities, medical supplies, and opportunities. Yet the spirit of the Palestinians remains unbroken, their culture vibrant, and their aspirations clear.
Think about these questions: If Palestinians were given their full rights and statehood tomorrow, would they still have grievances? And if Israel recognized the Palestinian right to a state and ended the occupation, what would happen?
In the first case, a long-standing injustice would be addressed. In the second, a significant step towards peace would be made.
Remember this: The land known as Palestine has been home to diverse civilizations and peoples for thousands of years, including the Canaanites from whom many Palestinians trace their lineage. Palestinians have a deep-rooted history in this land, and their aspiration for a state is a quest for justice and recognition.
That's the issue: Why can't the Palestinian people, with their rich history and contributions to civilization, have their own state and live with dignity and peace?
@@justsain3236 you are just absurd
The woman who asked the question looks like she really thought that question was a slam dunk
I really like Dennis Prager …Although Atheist and at the beginning i felt against him intellectually …. I grow to like him very much... a decent individual.
+Kostas Spiliotopoulos I didn't know who he was when he became my FB friend . Now I do know.
!!!help please
:I'm looking for data
1. The Palestinian prime minister prior 1967
2. The President of Palestine prior 1967
3. Palestinian currency prior 1967
4. Palestinian university prior 1967
5. Palestinian capital prior 1967
6. Palestinian government institutions prior 1967
+Paula Antonia Wells I think Palestine's capital was blown up in the new Star Wars movie. It was Hosnian System I believe.:)
Countries have different systems, why are you assuming that they had a western government system back then lol
arik rubin those were the same excuses used for the invasion genocide and occupation of many people, regardless of the name of the place they happen to be in, those people are from that place. Idiot. Using ideology rather than logic and fact will always make an idiot out of you.
1. The Palestinian prime minister prior 1967
- Wasn't one
2. The President of Palestine prior 1967
- Wasn't one
3. Palestinian currency prior 1967
- Wasn't any
4. Palestinian university prior 1967
- Wasn't one
5. Palestinian capital prior 1967
- Wasn't one
6. Palestinian government institutions prior 1967 _ Wasn't any
There, I bet you thought no one could answer you LOL
Unfortunately, this aged too well. I'm a young clinical psychologist and these student don't understand what a blessing it is to be around Dennis.
The notion that Israel is defending itself is as absurd as the notion that a rapist is defending himself from the victim, because Israel is the occupier.
The middle-east conflict….In a nutshell, it’s this: One side has been enduring displacement and occupation.
The Palestinians, descendants of the ancient Canaanites, aspire to live in their own homeland, free of occupation and with rights equal to any other nation. They recognize the Jewish history in the land but assert their own millennia-long connection to Palestine. The tragedy is that many, including some in Israel, do not recognize the rights of the Palestinians to self-determination in their own state.
This has been true since 1947 when the United Nations voted to divide the land called Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. While it is often mentioned that Arabs rejected this plan, the complexities of why are seldom discussed. For the Palestinians, this plan was seen as partitioning a land where the majority were Arab, without their true consent.
In 1948, as Israel was established, approximately 700,000 Palestinians were displaced from their homes, creating a refugee crisis that persists to this day. Known as the Nakba or "catastrophe", it is a sorrowful event for Palestinians, marking loss and dispossession.
Years later, in 1967, Israel expanded its borders, occupying territories including the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. These areas are considered by international law as occupied territories. Yet, settlements, considered illegal under international law, have continued to grow, taking more land from Palestinians.
When Palestinians resisted occupation, their uprisings were met with force. When they sought diplomacy, the path to statehood remained elusive. And when they tried to tell their story to the world, they often faced deaf ears.
For decades, Palestinians have seen their land shrink, their rights curtailed, and their call for justice muted. They have repeatedly asked for the end of the occupation, the right of return for refugees, and a capital in East Jerusalem.
Consider the reality of life in Gaza. The blockade has resulted in a humanitarian crisis, with limited access to basic necessities, medical supplies, and opportunities. Yet the spirit of the Palestinians remains unbroken, their culture vibrant, and their aspirations clear.
Think about these questions: If Palestinians were given their full rights and statehood tomorrow, would they still have grievances? And if Israel recognized the Palestinian right to a state and ended the occupation, what would happen?
In the first case, a long-standing injustice would be addressed. In the second, a significant step towards peace would be made.
Remember this: The land known as Palestine has been home to diverse civilizations and peoples for thousands of years, including the Canaanites from whom many Palestinians trace their lineage. Palestinians have a deep-rooted history in this land, and their aspiration for a state is a quest for justice and recognition.
That's the issue: Why can't the Palestinian people, with their rich history and contributions to civilization, have their own state and live with dignity and peace?
@@justsain3236 Do more research. Learn more.
My question is, when will she do the teapot dance?
I don't dance with her.
Fantastic speech
+MightyDemocracy As I posted recently on a video on PM Netanyahu's channel: To all who are Israel-haters and Bibi-bashers out there: Israel desires to live in peace WITH SECURE BORDERS that do not allow for murderous terrorist attacks. Hello ? DUH.
To even SUGGEST "that Israel is a greater threat to peace than Hamas" is preposterous to the extreme.
+Train Monrovia Stupid retort. No, really, quite stupid. In your mind, the mere fact of identifying someone as "AM radio talk show host" is an adequate put down and triumph over their views. Bizarre.
+Train Monrovia [True Moron] "How's that for a retort DG?" What? I didn't notice any retort. I saw some smug but incoherent gibberish from a stunted cortex ... but nothing that mitigated the original stupidity.
"Anything of substance to chat about?" Substance? I don't think you would recognise 'substance' if you stepped in some. I fear the only 'substance' you know anything about is a mind-altering drug. What are you doing on the Oxford University debating society channel ... did you get lost looking for Beavis & Butthead?
+Train Monrovia [True Maniac] You've gone off your rocker ... I guess you really are smoking some strange stuff!
+Train Monrovia [Tiny Mind] Projection is often a form of confession. You inhabit a moral and mental sewer and one can only hope that it is confined to your mind. Yeugh.
This is an embarrassingly low point in the history of Western history.
koyunbaba73 low point? a mere 75 years ago the west was engaged in the greatest man-made cataclysm of all time that killed 70 million people. That was quite embarrassing. Today, people in the west, on average, enjoy the greatest standard of living in the history of human-kind. Since WW2 we defeated Marxist -Leninism and helped to create conditions that elevated Western Europe and Japan, South Korea into modern admirable states.Western societies have also created a great deal of social saftey net and health care advances.
It is the Arab world that should be embarrassed. People like ISIS are embarrassed and are trying to re-create the Caliphate that dominated the middle east , Central america and parts of South Asia and South east Asia for hundreds of years.
The West defeated the evils of the past because it had a notion of good and evil. Now we have students and faculty of the most prestigious university in the world who cannot distinguish between the good of a life-affirming society versus the evil of a death cult. That is beyond embarrassing.
koyunbaba73 One of the great things about the west is our ability to self-criticize.I think leftist Professors love that liberty. They realize that Hamas and the like would create horrific societies, they just want to blame us for it.We are repsponsible for ISIL, Hamas,Al Qaeda, Taliban, Boko Haram etc.
We , and history, may have played role, but to equate the West with these guys is foolish.
What today's university does goes far beyond the bounds of constructive self-criticism. And if Oxford university and its faculty and students are not symbolic of the West, then I don't know what is. I actually do not understand you. Oxford university and virtually all Leftist universities (which is redundant) have chosen to take the side of the group which fires rockets into Israel while being situated in hospitals, because they know innocent Arabs will be killed in the counter-strike, and that makes for good media. Oxford chooses to support evil and you are making excuses for them! Meanwhile, it isn't Jews who are murdering British civilians. These are Islamic terrorists who share the same ideological origins as Hamas. And this is who Oxford supports. And this is what you call self-criticism. Your argument is ridiculous. And if you actually believe what you're saying (which I doubt), then you've taken the same position as Oxford. It doesn't seem to me that you are on the same side as Hamas. So how do you excuse those Western elites who do support Hamas?
koyunbaba73 was this directed to me? I actually agree with you.
That woman felt herself so much with that unbelievably stupid question. lol
She must be so proud and actually she was so stupid . That is the problem of the stupid people , they don't get what they do. LOL
@@silvia-vm7fe "When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. It's only painful & difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid."
@@theplainguy5102 you are so right !!
These people are so boring, fishing for any excuse to call someone a racist or "xenophobe" (irresponsibly hijacking medical terms)... then she cracks a smile thinking she's exposed something bad. Ego and narcissism are out of control in the modern west, we have so much.
She seemed very self-satisfied. Credit Dennis for giving her a straight answer.
Tell her to go wear that dress and walk the streets in the middle east!!!!!!!!
They wouldn't give her a second look.
! Thanks from an israeli/Jew! Well done 'Mr.Prager
@「Catch the Rainbow」 「Blackmore」 are you talking about war times or everyday lives of Arabs in the Israeli society?
פרייגר הוא אדם רע. פה הוא צודק אבל הוא עדיין אדם רע
@@omriolmer7012 ofc, tho extremists obviously exist on both sides we like to discuss on how to improve the well being of everyone. Easier said than done tho ofc, especially given all of the threats and the absurd world view on some topics
I'm glad that Dennis Prager put that woman with the purple dress in her place. We should send her to Gaza to view reality as it is..........and see if she ever gets out of there alive.....
With this Dress, I doubt.
@@penguin-ify6649 I think being a "strong female social activist" would do the trick rather then her dress
@@penguin-ify6649 with that dress and their ""tolerance"" of gaza - im sure she will be stoned
Somehow this 8 year old lecture is better at explaining the current conflict than any lecturer I've seen these days.
Truly remarkable.
He's right. WHY is that a debatable question in the first place?????
Because Israel is an Apartheid state. Being that this debate is before 2018 you have to now take into account Israeli law “The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish”
Israel is not an apartheid state. Israeli Arabs have FULL rights, and are elected to the Knesset. Educate yourself before spewing lies.@@Keatron3
@@tafferskilol, very low... clown Prager wouldn't last 5 minutes with Chomsky/Finkelstein/Shlaim haha
Got any argument or just talk?@@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721
@@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721your pfp is anti semetic
How was this 8 years ago? It feels so relevant today
The fact that Prager has to even participate in such a debate is unbelievably sad. Here's hoping his clarity on the matter reached at least a few Oxford brainwashed minds.
+TheHyphenate Naw, it was a pointless endeavor. The only way to fight the Left with is with doubt, which Prager wasn't able to accomplish in this debate.
Fantastic, I hope he enlightened some of the audience members.
+Photosynthesislove Most of them being liberals, they would be immune to logic and facts.
+Photosynthesislove probably not with a biased mind. they'll always look to twist the facts to suit their theories instead of twisting theories to suit the facts. sad but this is the human mind.
I'm a liberal and I agree with him on some points actually. Overall though, he's pretty insane/delusional.
+Thomas Riddle What are Prager's delusions? (odd, a liberal speaking of someone else's delusions)
gerry1202 He thinks anyone who isn't religious makes decisions based on feeling/emotion and that religious people are rational critical thinkers. Clearly he hasn't looked up the word "faith" in a dictionary or spoken with a creationist recently.
He criticizes Obama for making straw man arguments while at the same time presenting opinion pieces from Salon as the general opinion of the left, etc.
He recognizes that Trump is immensely damaging to the US, so he claims he's "not a real conservative." ...then why is he the front runner in the conservative primary?
I could go on. I feel that he's a decent, intelligent person, but the only way he can hold some of the opinions he does is by lying to himself on a daily basis.
Fantastic, I hope and he enlightened some of the audience members. Also, the woman in the purple dress was so smug and ignorant.
you need enlightenment... read the history if you can read... judging from your comment, might be hard for you
Hahaha a wild Social Justice Warrior appears
Dennis Prager use *COMMON SENSE!*
thats super effective!
Well said Mr. Dennis Prager. I am all the way with you what a silly cow. that asked the question
I will be sharing that with everyone, totally changed my point of view.
He is telling the truth and good that you were able to distinguish that
I'm stunned by how impressed the girl is with her question.
The worst part about the question...
When the camera pans around the room, look at the expressions of the majority of the people, it looks like a room full of stone walls. They are listening, but they are not hearing.
That is what you think , your interpretation which is of course wrong
I would rather say that they are hearing but not listening.
Because he didn't say anything
no.. they are stone walls because Dennis is full of shit and he is shovelling it by spades
Kol Hakavod.... Excellent Speech full of Truth
6 years ago he was already warning of the danger!
this class looks like done today!
super current and super true
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Indeed, it is so relevant for this moment. Unbelievable
I thought this video came out recently because of how relevant it is today
How is it relevant? He was clearly on the side of injustice. What gives Israel the right to kick people out of their homes and take it for themselves?
Watch professor Avi shlaim who is actually an Israeli who is on the opposite side of this debate and than come tell me what you think.
And yet here we are now 😢
Stand with Israel 💔🇮🇱
#HamasisISIS
@@mohaahassan2619 which "homes," the ones in the swamps or the ones in the desert?
a brilliant mind and a brilliant orator
brilliant actor
turns out I was wrong 8 years ago, turns out he was always a supremacist for his tribe... and a sex pervert@@ksyu_vasylchenko
"It takes a very frail moral mind, to believe that you determine right and wrong, by the number of dead. That's what we're told; 'look at how many gazans were killed, and how few Israeli's. Well look at how few Brits were killed and how many more Germans were. Does that make the Germans right in ww2. " Brilliantly articulated.
I loved that bit too! And the broken moral compass bit
So says a Jew 😂😂
What a brainless argument. Implying Palestine are like the Germans is brainless. Palestine never invaded anyone. It is the Europeans who invaded Palestine.
@@hen5555says someone who Is way clued up than a little hatful angry dirty muslim
@@hen5555you hateful muslims know you’re wrong and the fact you know this guy is spittin facts all you hateful and delusional people can do is try and give personal attacks. Dirty lil people
As of yesterday this still holds true
Hey pac. Please understand pac understood Muslims. Hamas is a product of oppression and occupation. Please delete your UA-cam name and please create a whole new handle because you are a shame and are a incompetent un intelligent animal. Please if you was in front of me. It would be a boxing match because you are using Tupac name. When Tupac understood what a Muslim was.
5:10 "In the age of beheadings" 💀💀💀💀
all of those Clapping perceive the profundity of the question that I didn't in her question." LOL that was good 1
*looking back in 2023*
Arabs & Muslims live, vote & have governmental positions in Israel. WHERE ARE JEWS GIVEN THESE RIGHTS IN ANY ARAB COUNTRY? That is the TRUE Apartheid!
In Muslim countries, Jews are regarded as “Dhimmi” and were subjected to a number of restrictions, the application and severity of which varied with time and place. Restrictions included residency in segregated quarters, obligation to wear distinctive clothing, public subservience to Muslims, prohibitions against proselytizing and against marrying Muslim women, and limited access to the legal system (the testimony of a Jew did not count if contradicted by that of a Muslim). Dhimmis had to pay a special poll tax (the "jizya").
I hate it that a guy for Prager is right---but he most certainly is. The world Hamas would create would rival the Taliban.
adstanra Exactly. Especially if they stopped getting UN and EU funding. What then would they do lol, no one really cares for the goat cheese or olive oil from Palestine or to vacation on the dirty beaches of Gaza, it would become Afghanistan overnight, run by ISIS admirers.
that's what I always say, don't love jews, hate your enemies and understand they're common
@@penguin-ify6649 why you hate Jews for nothing I don’t hate even Palestine’s our soldiers playing with their children’s
Prater spoke brilliantly here on this topic!
Pinkgirl217 Prager not Prater 👍👍
Pinkgirl217 Yes he did, he is brilliant.
The classless lady behind him in the red/green dress didn't even applaud. In our debate class, we always clapped for each other regardless of where you stood. She salty AF.
it is an indictment of the depravity of Oxford students that they did not applaud the rational arguments of Prager and Boteach - both of whom argued with sound logic and rational morality!
six years later, and he still could not be more correct!
lol, Dennis zionist mouthpiece Prager has been wrong on everything his entire life
That's why Dennis Prager will never ever debate real heavy weights like Finkelstein or Chomsky on I-P because he would be completely obliterated. Coward debating kids just like Sen Bapiro...
Prager is an oil bitch that misrepresents fact and history in favour of his dream ethnostate. Just look at the video they did on Robert e lee
Maybe he is wrong i many subject, i dont know, i do nit read or listen most of his work, but definitly he is right on this particular subject
@@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517 ignorance is your bliss.
@@danswank1817 It is when you agree with Prager.
What a great speech. Who is this guy?
some disgusting racist trump supporter named dennis prager.
i was being sarcastic.
@@adolfarrakahane Try to curb it, it didn't seemed sarcastic at all
Prager's ability to remain composed when faced with an antagonistic activist (let's spare the details on her manner, shall we) serves as a masterclass in the art of debate. Listening to this exchange even once could provide valuable insights into the art of constructing a persuasive argument. On the other hand, hearing it multiple times might turn you into a Middle East expert. The exchange is a brilliant dismantling of opposing views and a stark revelation of the moral ambiguity associated with those who embrace radicalism.
Well said ❤
To all the comments that came before me praising Mr. Prager I tip my hat and say perhaps there is hope after all.
I certainly disagree with Dennis Prager on several issues (after all he's conservative and I am liberal), but at this certain debate he was just as right as one can ever get.
Based on the comments praising Mr.Prager, I thought I would hear some compelling arguments. Sadly the only point I heard was Mr.Prager try to explain that this argument is foolish, and he didn’t even defend that point.
To point 1: Israel is the greater threat in all of those causes. The scenario doesn’t change because Israel represents some of the earliest western involvement in the Middle East during the 20th century. All of these militia groups arise due to the actions/existence of Israel, and the Arabic governments who support Israel. I don’t want to be unfair here, but these groups cannot really exist independent of Israel. They are opposite and opposing forces. Israel is the greater threat to peace in all of these scenarios because it brought with it the opposing forces that we are talking about. People seem to downplay how much of a shockwave the founding of Isreal has had in the Middle East. It has been a massive butterfly effect that we still feel today unfortunately.
To point 2: I have to agree with Mr.Prager’s note about wars being either between a free state and a police state, or between two police states. Except here we do not have a free state against a police state. If we are being generous, we can call the Israel-Hamas war a war between two police states. If we are being honest though, this is a war between Hamas, a militant group fighting for a sovereign state, and Israel, a police state opposing that state’s sovereignty. There is no way Israel is a “free” state, not with the backyard they have.
Mr.Prager says there were no settlements in 1967, why wasn’t there peace? Firstly, the settlements started right after the 1967 war. And maybe that war happened because in 1948 Israel muscled its way into the Middle East against the opinion of the majority. Are people just supposed to swallow that injustice? Jews were only 1/3 the population and owned just ~10% of the land. Yet they were offered 53% of the land by the UN. It was a blatant robbery on a world stage. There was also no Hamas at that time, so why wasn’t there peace? Who has been the consistent opposition to a Palestinian state after all of these years? It’s very true that justice is the prerequisite to peace.
at 8:00 -This whole mention of beheadings and low Arab morals is flooded with a western lens. People around the world have different values that they keep. In the west people value their freedom the most. In the East, people may value their dignity more, or their respect more, or maybe they don’t value the outside world as much as you. Or maybe they think it’s appropriate to behead someone for a crime. These beheadings are also done by fundamentalists groups and somehow that is supposed to be representative of the Arab world. This is the usual Zionist tactic of animalizing Arabs so you can treat them like such. Are we supposed to support a colonist state because they are subjectively a more “moral” society?
10:15 he mentions genocide in Ukraine and I believe he is referring to the Holodomor of the 1930s. The Soviets feared Ukrainian revolution and implemented unrealistic farming quotas. The Soviets began mass imprisonments and blockading of Ukrainians which lead to their demise via starvation. It’s certainly genocide but Interesting that Mr.Prager believes so too.
10:40 these actions by Hamas are not in a vacuum. Israel has its foot on the neck of those in Gaza and you really do expect them to do nothing about it. What should a Jew do in that situation? Should he/she support a resistance? Or should they just let themselves be subjected to the boot?
11:30 this comparison between Gaza and Germany is so sensationalized. He is comparing Britain’s actions from 70 years ago to those of Israel in modern times. And a reminder that Gaza does not have an army, no Air Force, no navy. These human beings with families are sitting targets to air strikes by their own neighbor who controls their air rights. That is why we care about the numbers Mr.Prager. The numbers don’t determine who’s right and who’s wrong, but history has determined Israel’s crimes and they also happen to have more blood on their hands too.
This whole thing was a deflection attempt by Mr.Prager but I hope we can eventually find peace. Peace to all.
Kudos for posting such a superb speaker, calm and rational, with an historic perspective sadly lacking in many.
lol all he played the whataboutism card.. rather than talking about about main points
@@jenniferphilips1916no, he spoke exactly what hamas are. There was no whataboutism, I don’t think you even listened
I dare the lady to say it after a small visit in Gaza....
8 years going and Dennis is still taking Ws.
Prager is awesome!
Прекрасный спич ! Но посмотрите на эти так называемые лица слушающие но не слышащие этого замечательного лектора. Каждое слова, это бриллиант. Это называется ‘’метать бисер перед свиньями’’
this is one of my favorite videos ever i still watch it every now and then
Me too
Hello from post 7/10/23 Israel. All the Hamas apologists are directly responsible for what has and will happen.
i love ur talk Dennis Prager
I can't stop laughing at that purple dress
Who won this debate, it may be a silly question in the real world but this is a university.
Hans Rosloot The Motion was defeated I.e those against Israel won
@@rasoulkailani8345 :( this is so idiotic
So clear, so brilliant. Thank you Dennis.
You find a white supremacist brilliant? You must be clinically stupid.
*"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."~George Santayana*
brilliant. well done Dennis Prager
where can i watch the full length of this debate?
Well. This lecture has aged…distressingly well.
As it says in the Bible: the truth will set you free. But firstly it requires brave individuals, like Dennis Prager, to proclaim it, even to those who can only kneejerk to complex issues.
Well done Dennis. I bet the truth was hard to take at Oxford.
thank you. the Truth will prevail, sooner or later. nobody can escape
מדהים.
This is why I support Israel! I don't care if I will remain the last one standing in this world of hypocrisy, but I will remain standing on the right side!!! I will stand with Israel until my last breath!!!
you are so right my friend. This world is full of hypocrisy . Unbelievable ,
it's amazing how so many people seek the truth and not getting influenced by the biased and ignorant media.
much love from israel man.
@@theplainguy5102 Regretfully there is still a huge huge amount of people not seeking for the truth , But I hope it will change
Go live and travel around the West Bank or Gaza Strip for a while.
@@The30115 I did, what makes you think I didn't? The fact that I support Israel? I've observed everything from first perspective. Yet all the intelligence you are getting is from Instagram and the media. Why don't you talk about civil war in Syria? Genocide in Libya and Nigeria? Such a hypocrite.
Thank you mister prager for telling the truth
Hello. I am a proud Jewish Israeli living in Israel. I've witnessed all my life how they are destroying my country, its values, and even worse, the truth. Israel wants peace, but its enemies hate it so much that they are willing to continue refusing peace throughout their lives. They raise their children to hate Jews and commit murder. They glorify the names of suicide bombers who explode and kill themselves just to take another Jewish life - what a twisted pride!
I wish that no one ever experiences what Israel has endured for generations - baseless hatred. Hatred without reason, do they hate us because we defend ourselves in Gaza? Let's see if you would remain silent when rockets are fired at civilians, and suicide bombers blow themselves up in crowded places, and you don't retaliate with war. Let's see how you cope with hearing about someone you know being killed by terrorists every few months.
The world needs to understand that this is a terrorist organization rooted in hatred. Hamas is ISIS. And no one will convince me otherwise.
I am proud of my homeland, my people, and the values of preserving our heritage and love for the land. May every nation have the unity that the people of Israel share.
There's a saying that some are ready for war, some are truly prepared for it, but I don't know of anyone who desires it. We are skilled in it, good at it, we've won in the past, and we will prevail today.
We don't seek support from any country! We have ourselves, and with that, we will triumph.
The truth is that Israel gave up territory in exchange for peace (including Gaza). Israel has provided Gaza with free electricity and water to this day, and the moment we stopped giving it to them for free, the whole world accused us of "Israel taking electricity and water from Gaza." How dare they? A. Because they took our lives. B. Because no rational person would provide weapons and assistance to their enemy, who seeks to kill them.
Go to your villa, sip your Starbucks coffee, and be quiet!
An excellent defense of common sense by one of our best thinkers of the day. Thank you Mr. Prager.
Randy Pacchioli LOL. You mean snake oil salesmen.
maybe change your word - you probably mean good sense (even then i doubt it)
common sense means what everyone believes - be it positive or negative - only ignorants talk of common sense -morals are common and change like rape and slavery is ok
i was thinking he was racist... lol hes just like "grrrrr those dam muslims and arabs"
I was amazed to find out that this debate was not done this week, but 8 years ago it is amazing how the prophecy came true just two weeks ago.
And the lady “the esteemed professor” should ask her self for that she could wear this dress in Gaza
How much hypocrisy is the those academic ?!?!institutes
This aged extremely well!
When the camera pans around the room, look at the expressions of these people, you see a room full of stone walls. They are listening, but are not hearing.
Moral clarity;. Great job Mr. Prager
Loved the broken moral compass but, so true
These arguments are still so relevant at this point in time.
The notion that Israel is defending itself is as absurd as the notion that a rapist is defending himself from the victim, because Israel is the occupier.
The middle-east conflict….In a nutshell, it’s this: One side has been enduring displacement and occupation.
The Palestinians, descendants of the ancient Canaanites, aspire to live in their own homeland, free of occupation and with rights equal to any other nation. They recognize the Jewish history in the land but assert their own millennia-long connection to Palestine. The tragedy is that many, including some in Israel, do not recognize the rights of the Palestinians to self-determination in their own state.
This has been true since 1947 when the United Nations voted to divide the land called Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. While it is often mentioned that Arabs rejected this plan, the complexities of why are seldom discussed. For the Palestinians, this plan was seen as partitioning a land where the majority were Arab, without their true consent.
In 1948, as Israel was established, approximately 700,000 Palestinians were displaced from their homes, creating a refugee crisis that persists to this day. Known as the Nakba or "catastrophe", it is a sorrowful event for Palestinians, marking loss and dispossession.
Years later, in 1967, Israel expanded its borders, occupying territories including the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. These areas are considered by international law as occupied territories. Yet, settlements, considered illegal under international law, have continued to grow, taking more land from Palestinians.
When Palestinians resisted occupation, their uprisings were met with force. When they sought diplomacy, the path to statehood remained elusive. And when they tried to tell their story to the world, they often faced deaf ears.
For decades, Palestinians have seen their land shrink, their rights curtailed, and their call for justice muted. They have repeatedly asked for the end of the occupation, the right of return for refugees, and a capital in East Jerusalem.
Consider the reality of life in Gaza. The blockade has resulted in a humanitarian crisis, with limited access to basic necessities, medical supplies, and opportunities. Yet the spirit of the Palestinians remains unbroken, their culture vibrant, and their aspirations clear.
Think about these questions: If Palestinians were given their full rights and statehood tomorrow, would they still have grievances? And if Israel recognized the Palestinian right to a state and ended the occupation, what would happen?
In the first case, a long-standing injustice would be addressed. In the second, a significant step towards peace would be made.
Remember this: The land known as Palestine has been home to diverse civilizations and peoples for thousands of years, including the Canaanites from whom many Palestinians trace their lineage. Palestinians have a deep-rooted history in this land, and their aspiration for a state is a quest for justice and recognition.
That's the issue: Why can't the Palestinian people, with their rich history and contributions to civilization, have their own state and live with dignity and peace?
Professor Shlain, if you're just standing there, we would remember your nice dress, but now we have to remember your stupid question.
God bless you, Dennis Prager!
It is a tragedy that we have so few people with such a moral clarity in the west.
8 years latter... Oct' 7th 2023 - 40 Israeli young children killed by Hamas in their homes, in front of their parents, siblings and grandparent
The British Woman has very poor body language and posture. Denis has confidence and facts and demonstrated excellent posture.
Whether you agree with him or not, Prager is a great orator. Much respect from Korea.
What’s not to agree with? Anyone who doesn’t agree is an absolute fool and should be sent to Gaza to find out for themselves.
If I remember correctly, his motion was defeated. The mind boggles at the power of hatred.
Wrong. The Pro-Israel line-up won in this event.
agreed - but the mind boggels that oxford students (supposedly educated) can vote based on hatred and not on rational facts
This is the clearest lecture on Israel. And it is so true.
Why are comments turned on for the pro-israelis but turned off for pro-hamas?
Does anyone knows what was the result of the debate, at the end of that evening?
An honest person who found him/herself convinced by these arguments to change his/her opinion on this topic must admit that it was an antisemetic bias that rendered the previous opinion tenable. How frail we humans are that what we want t to believe sounds reasonable - even when it so clearly is not!
Dennis nearly cry on this oxford presentation.. This moral bankrupt academe.
And I thought it was recorded yesterday...
Its so applicable today it's crazy.
Yes. What part of "Kill them where you find them" don't you understand? "them" being anyone who does not follow Islam. LOL laughing my arse off at that woman in the one-shoulder, purple dress. too funny.
Beware of the faces of many students behind him, some of them seam to suffer seriously Cognitive dissonanse. I pity them.
How can I put it politely... the lady in the purple dress (what is that all about?), Mr Pragers opponent on this topic, seem very... eager to be noticed. The way she stands up in the beginning in an aggressive way, how she keeps standing with her arm crossed etc. etc Am I the only one who feels that way?
No. She made a fool of herself even without talking...
Where can I find the other speakers, and which position won in the debate?
Who is watching this brilliant Dennis pragger debate in 2020
Maybe gay muslim
Dennis was absolutely right
The notion that Israel is defending itself is as absurd as the notion that a rapist is defending himself from the victim, because Israel is the occupier.
The middle-east conflict….In a nutshell, it’s this: One side has been enduring displacement and occupation.
The Palestinians, descendants of the ancient Canaanites, aspire to live in their own homeland, free of occupation and with rights equal to any other nation. They recognize the Jewish history in the land but assert their own millennia-long connection to Palestine. The tragedy is that many, including some in Israel, do not recognize the rights of the Palestinians to self-determination in their own state.
This has been true since 1947 when the United Nations voted to divide the land called Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. While it is often mentioned that Arabs rejected this plan, the complexities of why are seldom discussed. For the Palestinians, this plan was seen as partitioning a land where the majority were Arab, without their true consent.
In 1948, as Israel was established, approximately 700,000 Palestinians were displaced from their homes, creating a refugee crisis that persists to this day. Known as the Nakba or "catastrophe", it is a sorrowful event for Palestinians, marking loss and dispossession.
Years later, in 1967, Israel expanded its borders, occupying territories including the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. These areas are considered by international law as occupied territories. Yet, settlements, considered illegal under international law, have continued to grow, taking more land from Palestinians.
When Palestinians resisted occupation, their uprisings were met with force. When they sought diplomacy, the path to statehood remained elusive. And when they tried to tell their story to the world, they often faced deaf ears.
For decades, Palestinians have seen their land shrink, their rights curtailed, and their call for justice muted. They have repeatedly asked for the end of the occupation, the right of return for refugees, and a capital in East Jerusalem.
Consider the reality of life in Gaza. The blockade has resulted in a humanitarian crisis, with limited access to basic necessities, medical supplies, and opportunities. Yet the spirit of the Palestinians remains unbroken, their culture vibrant, and their aspirations clear.
Think about these questions: If Palestinians were given their full rights and statehood tomorrow, would they still have grievances? And if Israel recognized the Palestinian right to a state and ended the occupation, what would happen?
In the first case, a long-standing injustice would be addressed. In the second, a significant step towards peace would be made.
Remember this: The land known as Palestine has been home to diverse civilizations and peoples for thousands of years, including the Canaanites from whom many Palestinians trace their lineage. Palestinians have a deep-rooted history in this land, and their aspiration for a state is a quest for justice and recognition.
That's the issue: Why can't the Palestinian people, with their rich history and contributions to civilization, have their own state and live with dignity and peace?
@@justsain3236 yeah, occupying a land not only given us by G-d but, until bought and paid for by Jews, largely uninhabitable. Who wouldn't "want it back" now that it's developed?
Amazing how we can ridicule Muslim extremists groups, but American extremists groups are protected....
There were no settlements prior to 1967. Why wasn’t there peace?
That woman's got a right self righteous vibe about her
I wish there more people like Dennis Prager who can tell it like it is.
There are plenty. Unfortunately, the collective Media give them short shrift.
Thanks for explaining it so well, Mr Prager. Ignorance of reality should be addressed
What were the 1947 borders of the State of Palestine? Who was the leader? What form of government did they have? What currency did they use? I was not able to locate this information.
palestin was never it's own state
lol the faces of the students XD
Awesome!! Thank you!
Brilliant ❤️l love Dennis 🙏🏼
Where can I find the whole debate?
“People who shape our world”. With no ability to have civil debate. Comments closed on recent debates regarding the EXACT same subject. Disgusting. Intellect is doomed. It’s all about “us versus them” and that’s when intellectual discussion dies. Well done Oxford. Close comments to avoid any discussion, including intellectual discussion. Disgusting.