you forgot a very important point for persian archers and persian archer spearmen. The unit size is 15% bigger than other archer units ! For that cheap you can literally BLOT OUT THE SKY !
Good overview as always. You can just call the faction Media, the Greek word Atropatene merely stands for “of Atropates”, a Persian satrap during the Hellenistic era.
Great videos as always, it seems you're getting better at explaining with each videos. The thing about what I like about the eastern faction is that they got good horses and a ridiculous economy that can only be beaten by Rome. Plus Antropaktan is one of the faction with a large pool of units in the east which makes it very fun. And they also got a ridiculous building that raise their 1st class pop and that means high armoured horse units, my favourite.
Thanks mate I'm always trying to improve! I agree they are a fantastic faction, definitely super underrated I'd say. A head to head campaign with Atro VS Rome would be interesting O.o
Medes/Media/Median is probably the best term to use when describing the people, Atropatene/Atropatkan are more of geographical indicators. I think that Parthia represents the Parni/Dahae nomads that founded the Pahlavan/Parthian empire, while Parthava represents the region of Parthia that was later settled by the Parni after it revolted against Seleucid rule.
I definitely know what faction I'm playing next! That late Iranian noble shock cav looks amazing. I mainly play hellenic factions due to the good garrisons. It sucks that eastern and African factions have poor garrison units. As always great video! Looking forward to the next
Persian setting does not necessarily = desert ad setting sun . If anything Persia stands for the rising sun, or the daw. The birth of light , Zarathurstra , and the mountain are sacred to us, especially for the Medes who are the ancestors of the Kurds who are known as the people of the mountains. Iran is a very mountainous region with snowy peaks .
Yeah I think a lot of people in the West don't realize how diverse Iran/Persia's geography is and think it's just desert like Iraq. It has mountains, it has wetlands and sure it has deserts too.
Thanks for a very enjoyable and comprehensive overview. I've been looking forward to you covering this faction as I'm currently having a blast playing a Media campaign. Your hype for their varied roster and especially the awesome cavalry is both warranted and contagious :) A few additional notes: The Shield-Bearers are awesome for sure, but not really for their bows. Not only do they have low ammo, but they are less accurate and their projectiles are much weaker than even bottom-tier archers (damage of 7+2 AP on normal Sparabara and 9+2 AP on the Elite variant, vs. 12+3 AP on the low tier archers.) In general, my experience is that the shield-bearers are amazing at forming a battle line and eating missile attacks, while using their otherwise unimpressive missile attacks to make sure the AI rushes at them. The problem that I have with the elite archers, on the other hand, is that both the heavy archers and the royal archers take 1st class population, while the levy-tier archers are of course 3rd class *and* they have size 200 (as opposed to the normal 175.) It's been hard for me to justify spending the population on archers (that will potentially do less damage because of that smaller size) when I could use those same nobles for cataphracts and such (and it's not like Media needs more tools to counter enemy skirmishers, which this kind of high-tier archers seems to be geared towards.) I haven't played too many factions yet, but I certainly agree with your difficulty rating. I think Media is very well-equipped to deal with all the factions that surround it, with great tools against heavy cavalry, horse archers and pikemen. Especially since there's also AOR and mercenary elephants all over the place as soon as you move a little east or a little west. Edit: one last thing -- I've found that the one thing possibly missing from the roster is shock infantry for sieges; as much as the axemen and the elite infantry are nice, they're not amazing. I've been able to cover this by subjugating some of the Galatians and levying their awesome swords using the "Levy from Satrapy" mechanic. Takes a long time, but not many are needed for the job of taking the walls, and making satrapies feels very on theme with the Achaemenid legacy :)
Thank you mate and thanks for such a comprehensive comment! I see your point about the shield bearers but I think they are very useful because they can force the ai to push your line because they would refuse to sit and take fire. Then you get to manipulate the battle heavily. I almost agree with your elite archer statement although it’s worth considering they have much higher damage on their projectiles and high armor so even though their population class is precious they are more likely to survive taking skirmished fire themselves. They are also versatile with that massive attack stat that can swing a desperate battle your way if your melee units are all engaged
You can also use the better vassals and satrapy levies mod, which allows to levy more/better units of your satrapies. It's a little bit cheesy a times but you can use it however you like, cheesy or not ^^
first of all congrats for the 1000 subscribers !!! you diverse a lot more and l wish to see you have hundreds of thousands subs !!! . l am really surprised from the unit roster of atropatkan powerfull cavarly both shock and skirmish , awesome archers and good infantry ( especially with the ap damage ) . lusitani is a very interesting faction for the next overview , also a good scenario for future online battles could be parthia and atropaktan against a coalition of greek cities states ( athens and sparta ) as a recreation of the greco persian wars
Thanks a lot mate I couldn't have done it without support from people like yourself! And I agree its a surprisingly fantastic roster, one of the Iberians will probably be next so thank you for the that suggestion as well!
200 turns is soo long, I usually quit around 140 at most. Once I have more than 4 elit army the game becomes boring. DEI need to make Rome a lot stronger, and expand much faster to make late game interesting.
@@Immersaholic Yeah I think I agree, I personally had a pretty easy time as Media mainly due to the fantastic military and booming economy. Technically every campaign can become difficult due to extreme bad luck (just look at your Parthia series 😂) but in the case of Media everything is pointing at a more chill and fun time 😄
Atropatene VS Rome or Atropatene VS Armenia must be interesting. I'm from there (xd), I mean Atropatene, how's defeated Mark Ontony Roman general and his 130,000 army! Land of fires! Land of snowy mountains, Land of Iran defenders! Respect man (xd) just respect...!
The new update made Seleucid military stronger than it used to be. They are only able to hold on to Syria but in Antioch they got 3 full stack of slot troops. Assyria should be easy to take. Syria would be hard, the selucid army always stay with each other so u have to engage them all at once but Parthia will stab u in the back in the meantime
Media gets Artillery Penetrese for the navy which is basically all you ever really need, it's not as flashy as the Greek / Carthage / Roman but it's basically as effective. Ammunition bonus don't help Sparabara (nor does any of the perks that benefit archers, as it doesn't count as archers.), you can stack as much as you want and they don't work. Though the Elite Sparabara is quite useful until maybe the very end game. (same for the Satrap guard, which is a unit that looks a lot better in theory than practice. ) Their pikemen are good against Armenia / Georgia which isn't super range heavy but has a lot of annoying hard ass infantry like those heavy Spa etc, against almost everything else you probably shouldn't use them, they'll lose to any other pikeman badly, Parthia is kind of hard to say sometimes it's very useful but it's also pretty risky because sometimes they have a lot of range as well. it's probably better to just stick with elite Sparabara which can deal well either way. Oddly the archer spearmen levy count as archer, but the satrap guard doesn't, their normal archer and levy archer spearmen is also slightly larger in unit size than normal Heavy archer and Royal archer is the same unit (upgrade via imperial reform) both unit need T1 pop so you can't really spam them that easily (it's also hard to get enough of a melee line for this faction to really go super heavy foot archer. )
Media also has insanely powerful infantry, 300 strong elite spear unit that is actually fairly cheap. You can see how useful they are in my online battle of Rome VS Media if you like :)
Been waiting for this overview for a while now. I wholeheartedly agree that it is an easy campaign. I'd probably recommend it to someone new to DEI, just because population isn't really an issue with this faction. I'm currently playing my first Median campaign and I'm loving it! I started off with a cav-heavy army with the Sparabaras as my main battle line to draw the enemy into a frontal assault while my horse archers and medium cav destroyed their cavalry, then their archers, and finished them off with rear charges. Like your suggestion, I started with killing off Armenia, and then once the Seleukid satrapies rebelled I actually turned west and destroyed the Seleukids while they were facing multiple enemies. It quickly secured my eastern border and allowed me to focus everything on the Greeks. I found my army composition excellent at dealing with the pikes and their cavalry didn't stank a chance against mine. Best of all, since almost all of my forces were from the paigan class I could easily replenish any losses. Once they were dealt with, I added Syrian Elephants to my two main armies and then steamrolled the Parsa, the Parthia s, and the Baktrians in turn. A line of Elite Sparabaras anchored by elephants on each flank was a nearly inpenetrable wall that easily held until my cavalry could come in for the kill. I'm now finishing off my former allies Cappadocia to secure the last of the lands of the old Persian Empire for Shahanshah Ariistun the Great!
Sounds like a awesome campaign mate! I'm curious though, how did you handle the pikes themselves in melee? Even elite spearmen should get wrecked by mid-tier pikes because how powerful the pike itself is. Or did you just not engage them frontally?
@@Immersaholic I really didn't engage frontally. My two main armies were the general on the heavier, jav cavalry, a line of 7 Elite Sparabaras for the heavier armor, 6 reformed Median archer cav, 4 heavy cav, and two Merc Syrian Elephants in my two main armies or 2 early cataphracts to anchor the flanks. My archer cav and heavy cav draw out the enemy cav and eliminate them, followed by skirmishers. Usually by that time their pikes were engaged with my Sparas but only for a minute or two before elephants/cataphracts pinch in from the sides and my heavy cav and general from behind. Basically a version of this battle plan every time.
@@matthewhubbard1200 Nice job man sounds like you have a excellent setup. I'm struggling against Bactria in my Parthian campaign because Parthia doesn't really have decent melee infantry. I'm having to rely on AOR units which I can only get for one army. So I'm mostly having to do all cav armies and just bait them around the map skirmishing them to death until I can rear charge them when their morale is low enough. My next Parthian vid will show this especially.
@@Immersaholic I've been watching those videos. I do not envy your position as of the last one. Lol. One thing going for me is that I'm not playing on hard so I didn't have everyone and their brother declaring war on me at the same time like you did.
@@matthewhubbard1200 Thanks for watching man! Yeah playing on Hard makes the ai just hyper focused on the player. Its crazy man :D Not sure how much longer I can keep Parthia alive at this rate!
I think this faction has had a huge update I'm running a campaign now and it seems a lot different including unit roster and starting allies and enemies
Honestly I am into campaign now on hard campaign normal battle it’s better than vanilla 10 to 1 😂😀 it’s the best historical experience we can get .....1212 is awesome but not finished...DEI hasn’t finished yet but definitely better than Three kingdoms with all its glory not even a match....DEI woo woo
I'm currently playing as Media and other than beating some full stacks with very little units of my own against Armenia there were no difficulties at all. The Seleukids were a easy target (as always) and the rest of the eastern World were no match either.
@@Immersaholic Sure, I think both Armenia (my last campaign) and Media are both fairly easy, you take out Armenia or Media, grab Antioch and nearby cities from the weakened Seleukids and from there on noone can compete with you.
I have a question though; I can see in my campaign that most of the Seleucid satrapies become quite friendly to the Seleucids the more wars they fight together. Will they eventually rebel against their overlords even if they are friendly?
It is possible for the Seleucids to avoid the rebellion by having their satrapies love them so much. Its very unlikely for the ai to get this done but it is possible. You may also have only 1 or 2 satrapies rebel instead of all of them, its mainly based on their relationship with their overlords.
Now playing as Media Just when I finished off Armenia at turn 50 , Galatia and it's 2 vassal states in place of pontos all came to attack me , then the Greeks at the bosphour declared war , I can hold them off since they are all from one direction What's bad is if parthia declared war as well and it's game over then
Sounds like a fun campaign mate! Parthia can definitely be tough but at least you know you'll mainly face either really bad infantry or mainly cavalry, get some long range skirmishing and you'll be okay :)
@@Immersaholic I dont have any armies in Parthia's direction because can't afford another army upkeep 😅 So iam basically just giving them random money gifts every 5 turns like 3000s or something to delay them
@@rdg665 Instead of sending them money you could also try to make just a small army of like 5-10 units of cav or skirmishers and keep them next to a town they'd likely attack when they do attack. That way you can use the town to draw the enemy in then surround them easily.
@@Immersaholic i think a half stack of crappy archers and persian hoplites and satrap spearmen would be better than cav and skirmishers, If they declared war they will attack the first settlement on their way which is Ekbatana which has walls and stuff , Hoplites will do good blocking the streets and archers will kill any missile units they have and satrap spearmen to flank their blocked infantry/cavalry And i already have 4 cav units from the city garrison there to chase them down
Hi :) Thx for the video... it helping me as hell ... just playin this faction and i have to say its lot of fun ... but i wanna ask you ... when i can expect reformes ??? i am new to this mod so i am still leraning ... so far i am using only foot units but i cant wait to use horse archers ... :) :D :D :D
I'm glad I could help mate! Here is the info on reforms from the DEI website: "Iranian reforms happen for this faction at turn 65. Imperial reforms happen after securing Parsa, Nisa and Seleukeia and after turn 211."
@@Immersaholic Thank you sooooooooo much :) :) i am at turn 51 rn so yay its close . .:D :D Thank you for your reply and that you finded for me :) :) Keep what you doin mate cuz u doin it good :) :)
I can't recruit the gond-i shah heavy melee unit why...? It say need different reform. I already change to different goverment reform,but still can recruit them
G'day mate, I found this following quote directly on the DeI guide for the Media reforms: Iranian reforms happen for this faction by turn 65. Imperial reforms happen after securing Parsa, Nisa and Seleukeia and after turn 211. To get Imperial reforms you do NOT change your government to Empire by the way, you just have to complete the city takeovers mentioned and wait a very long time until turn 211.
Does anyone know if this faction is historically accurate? Because they share a lot of traits and units that were only used by the Sassanid empire, as far as I know.
The DeI team as far as I'm aware only will add units if there is some form of historical record describing the unit in use in an area. The units might be a hundred or 2 hundred years before their time though but that is due to the time constraints of the campaign VS balanced game play. It wouldn't make sense to have to play like 800 turns to get access to Roman Marian-era troops.
Thank you for the suggestion mate!! I love the faction and I will almost definitely play it in the future but probably not for a while since I’m already doing Parthia. I like to do different areas for each of my campaigns. Maybe when we come back to the East we can check them out 😊
It is a little rough that it’s so late, although it depends on what kind of player you are. I usually play campaigns to turn 300+ because I love slow burns
@@Immersaholic I feel like turn 200 is just... too late- at turn 100~ I've already conquered all my surrounding provinces in the east, and the steppes, bosphorous and caucasus as Baktria, and I have all my units unlocked. By turn 200, I'll have conquered all the middle east and anatolia and parts of greece, the campaign would already be won at that point, there's only really a few factions left that pose any threat right now (selucids, rome and maybe egypt/carthage, though I doubt it.) The campaign is basically over by the time you unlock those units for Artokpatkan :C
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND Yeah I see your point but it just comes down to how you play. For example my Parthian campaign is at turn 125 and I've barely survived and only have 2 full provinces under my control. Although its a much harder campaign, I still play fairly slow and immersively. It would be nice to be lower than 200 turns for the reforms though, maybe 120 or so at most.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND The reason why we made it that late is because these units are from very end of DeI campaign timeframe, which is II AD or even touch it a bit III AD. They are supposed to be reward for players who sticks long enough, otherwise they would be anachronistic if they would happen earlier.
you forgot a very important point for persian archers and persian archer spearmen. The unit size is 15% bigger than other archer units ! For that cheap you can literally BLOT OUT THE SKY !
Very nice point mate :)
Never thought this facton would be so interesting
Me too mate! Seriously underrated faction with such a fantastic roster!
Good overview as always.
You can just call the faction Media, the Greek word Atropatene merely stands for “of Atropates”, a Persian satrap during the Hellenistic era.
Thanks for the tip mate!
Great videos as always, it seems you're getting better at explaining with each videos. The thing about what I like about the eastern faction is that they got good horses and a ridiculous economy that can only be beaten by Rome. Plus Antropaktan is one of the faction with a large pool of units in the east which makes it very fun. And they also got a ridiculous building that raise their 1st class pop and that means high armoured horse units, my favourite.
Thanks mate I'm always trying to improve!
I agree they are a fantastic faction, definitely super underrated I'd say. A head to head campaign with Atro VS Rome would be interesting O.o
which building?
Medes/Media/Median is probably the best term to use when describing the people, Atropatene/Atropatkan are more of geographical indicators. I think that Parthia represents the Parni/Dahae nomads that founded the Pahlavan/Parthian empire, while Parthava represents the region of Parthia that was later settled by the Parni after it revolted against Seleucid rule.
Thanks for the info mate! I was a bit unsure on this one! :D
I definitely know what faction I'm playing next! That late Iranian noble shock cav looks amazing. I mainly play hellenic factions due to the good garrisons. It sucks that eastern and African factions have poor garrison units. As always great video! Looking forward to the next
Thanks mate and I’m glad! They are almost a better version of Parthia with solid infantry that Parthia never gets. Good luck with your campaign!
their archers are immensely useful in sieges.
Persian setting does not necessarily = desert ad setting sun . If anything Persia stands for the rising sun, or the daw. The birth of light , Zarathurstra , and the mountain are sacred to us, especially for the Medes who are the ancestors of the Kurds who are known as the people of the mountains. Iran is a very mountainous region with snowy peaks .
Yeah I think a lot of people in the West don't realize how diverse Iran/Persia's geography is and think it's just desert like Iraq. It has mountains, it has wetlands and sure it has deserts too.
Thanks for a very enjoyable and comprehensive overview. I've been looking forward to you covering this faction as I'm currently having a blast playing a Media campaign.
Your hype for their varied roster and especially the awesome cavalry is both warranted and contagious :)
A few additional notes:
The Shield-Bearers are awesome for sure, but not really for their bows. Not only do they have low ammo, but they are less accurate and their projectiles are much weaker than even bottom-tier archers (damage of 7+2 AP on normal Sparabara and 9+2 AP on the Elite variant, vs. 12+3 AP on the low tier archers.) In general, my experience is that the shield-bearers are amazing at forming a battle line and eating missile attacks, while using their otherwise unimpressive missile attacks to make sure the AI rushes at them.
The problem that I have with the elite archers, on the other hand, is that both the heavy archers and the royal archers take 1st class population, while the levy-tier archers are of course 3rd class *and* they have size 200 (as opposed to the normal 175.) It's been hard for me to justify spending the population on archers (that will potentially do less damage because of that smaller size) when I could use those same nobles for cataphracts and such (and it's not like Media needs more tools to counter enemy skirmishers, which this kind of high-tier archers seems to be geared towards.)
I haven't played too many factions yet, but I certainly agree with your difficulty rating. I think Media is very well-equipped to deal with all the factions that surround it, with great tools against heavy cavalry, horse archers and pikemen. Especially since there's also AOR and mercenary elephants all over the place as soon as you move a little east or a little west.
Edit: one last thing -- I've found that the one thing possibly missing from the roster is shock infantry for sieges; as much as the axemen and the elite infantry are nice, they're not amazing. I've been able to cover this by subjugating some of the Galatians and levying their awesome swords using the "Levy from Satrapy" mechanic. Takes a long time, but not many are needed for the job of taking the walls, and making satrapies feels very on theme with the Achaemenid legacy :)
Thank you mate and thanks for such a comprehensive comment! I see your point about the shield bearers but I think they are very useful because they can force the ai to push your line because they would refuse to sit and take fire. Then you get to manipulate the battle heavily.
I almost agree with your elite archer statement although it’s worth considering they have much higher damage on their projectiles and high armor so even though their population class is precious they are more likely to survive taking skirmished fire themselves. They are also versatile with that massive attack stat that can swing a desperate battle your way if your melee units are all engaged
You can also use the better vassals and satrapy levies mod, which allows to levy more/better units of your satrapies.
It's a little bit cheesy a times but you can use it however you like, cheesy or not ^^
Your channel is pure gold, thanks!
Thanks for watching ! Appreciate ya!
first of all congrats for the 1000 subscribers !!! you diverse a lot more and l wish to see you have hundreds of thousands subs !!! . l am really surprised from the unit roster of atropatkan powerfull cavarly both shock and skirmish , awesome archers and good infantry ( especially with the ap damage ) . lusitani is a very interesting faction for the next overview , also a good scenario for future online battles could be parthia and atropaktan against a coalition of greek cities states ( athens and sparta ) as a recreation of the greco persian wars
Thanks a lot mate I couldn't have done it without support from people like yourself!
And I agree its a surprisingly fantastic roster, one of the Iberians will probably be next so thank you for the that suggestion as well!
The late game roster for media is great and a real treat for players who stick around til that point. Another great overview!
It really is man! Much like the end game Roman units it’s worth sticking around for! Thanks a lot!
200 turns is soo long, I usually quit around 140 at most. Once I have more than 4 elit army the game becomes boring. DEI need to make Rome a lot stronger, and expand much faster to make late game interesting.
I've been waiting for this one. After you completely dominated them
Hope you enjoyed mate!
A little shocked as to the power of the Medians....Great video thanks.
Me too mate, that's the great thing about doing these vids. I get to check out factions I otherwise normally wouldn't.
Thanks!
@@Immersaholic Iranian empires were always super powerful ... I am shocked the Creative Assembly always down plays them
Great overview! Probably my favourite faction in DEI at the moment! 😍
I was hoping you’d like it man, curious to see if you agree with my difficulty rating tho 🧐
@@Immersaholic Yeah I think I agree, I personally had a pretty easy time as Media mainly due to the fantastic military and booming economy. Technically every campaign can become difficult due to extreme bad luck (just look at your Parthia series 😂) but in the case of Media everything is pointing at a more chill and fun time 😄
@@Manco654 That's my line of thinking too man, just finished a recording session of Parthia too. Nothing tooooo crazy.. Yet O.o
@@Immersaholic 👀
Atropatene VS Rome or Atropatene VS Armenia must be interesting. I'm from there (xd), I mean Atropatene, how's defeated Mark Ontony Roman general and his 130,000 army! Land of fires! Land of snowy mountains, Land of Iran defenders! Respect man (xd) just respect...!
Thanks for watching mate!
I have a online battle coming soon between Rome and Media! :D
The new update made Seleucid military stronger than it used to be. They are only able to hold on to Syria but in Antioch they got 3 full stack of slot troops. Assyria should be easy to take. Syria would be hard, the selucid army always stay with each other so u have to engage them all at once but Parthia will stab u in the back in the meantime
Interesting to see mate! Thanks for the info!
Media gets Artillery Penetrese for the navy which is basically all you ever really need, it's not as flashy as the Greek / Carthage / Roman but it's basically as effective.
Ammunition bonus don't help Sparabara (nor does any of the perks that benefit archers, as it doesn't count as archers.), you can stack as much as you want and they don't work. Though the Elite Sparabara is quite useful until maybe the very end game. (same for the Satrap guard, which is a unit that looks a lot better in theory than practice. )
Their pikemen are good against Armenia / Georgia which isn't super range heavy but has a lot of annoying hard ass infantry like those heavy Spa etc, against almost everything else you probably shouldn't use them, they'll lose to any other pikeman badly, Parthia is kind of hard to say sometimes it's very useful but it's also pretty risky because sometimes they have a lot of range as well. it's probably better to just stick with elite Sparabara which can deal well either way.
Oddly the archer spearmen levy count as archer, but the satrap guard doesn't, their normal archer and levy archer spearmen is also slightly larger in unit size than normal
Heavy archer and Royal archer is the same unit (upgrade via imperial reform) both unit need T1 pop so you can't really spam them that easily (it's also hard to get enough of a melee line for this faction to really go super heavy foot archer. )
Parthia wins in cavalry, because of cost efficiency of Saka horsemen. However, archer spearmen of Media are a beast unit for their cost.
Media also has insanely powerful infantry, 300 strong elite spear unit that is actually fairly cheap. You can see how useful they are in my online battle of Rome VS Media if you like :)
Been waiting for this overview for a while now. I wholeheartedly agree that it is an easy campaign. I'd probably recommend it to someone new to DEI, just because population isn't really an issue with this faction.
I'm currently playing my first Median campaign and I'm loving it! I started off with a cav-heavy army with the Sparabaras as my main battle line to draw the enemy into a frontal assault while my horse archers and medium cav destroyed their cavalry, then their archers, and finished them off with rear charges. Like your suggestion, I started with killing off Armenia, and then once the Seleukid satrapies rebelled I actually turned west and destroyed the Seleukids while they were facing multiple enemies. It quickly secured my eastern border and allowed me to focus everything on the Greeks. I found my army composition excellent at dealing with the pikes and their cavalry didn't stank a chance against mine. Best of all, since almost all of my forces were from the paigan class I could easily replenish any losses. Once they were dealt with, I added Syrian Elephants to my two main armies and then steamrolled the Parsa, the Parthia s, and the Baktrians in turn. A line of Elite Sparabaras anchored by elephants on each flank was a nearly inpenetrable wall that easily held until my cavalry could come in for the kill. I'm now finishing off my former allies Cappadocia to secure the last of the lands of the old Persian Empire for Shahanshah Ariistun the Great!
Sounds like a awesome campaign mate! I'm curious though, how did you handle the pikes themselves in melee? Even elite spearmen should get wrecked by mid-tier pikes because how powerful the pike itself is. Or did you just not engage them frontally?
@@Immersaholic I really didn't engage frontally. My two main armies were the general on the heavier, jav cavalry, a line of 7 Elite Sparabaras for the heavier armor, 6 reformed Median archer cav, 4 heavy cav, and two Merc Syrian Elephants in my two main armies or 2 early cataphracts to anchor the flanks. My archer cav and heavy cav draw out the enemy cav and eliminate them, followed by skirmishers. Usually by that time their pikes were engaged with my Sparas but only for a minute or two before elephants/cataphracts pinch in from the sides and my heavy cav and general from behind. Basically a version of this battle plan every time.
@@matthewhubbard1200 Nice job man sounds like you have a excellent setup. I'm struggling against Bactria in my Parthian campaign because Parthia doesn't really have decent melee infantry. I'm having to rely on AOR units which I can only get for one army.
So I'm mostly having to do all cav armies and just bait them around the map skirmishing them to death until I can rear charge them when their morale is low enough. My next Parthian vid will show this especially.
@@Immersaholic I've been watching those videos. I do not envy your position as of the last one. Lol. One thing going for me is that I'm not playing on hard so I didn't have everyone and their brother declaring war on me at the same time like you did.
@@matthewhubbard1200 Thanks for watching man!
Yeah playing on Hard makes the ai just hyper focused on the player. Its crazy man :D
Not sure how much longer I can keep Parthia alive at this rate!
I think this faction has had a huge update I'm running a campaign now and it seems a lot different including unit roster and starting allies and enemies
Most factions have been overhauled so I’ll be covering them all again over time 🤓
Honestly I am into campaign now on hard campaign normal battle it’s better than vanilla 10 to 1 😂😀 it’s the best historical experience we can get .....1212 is awesome but not finished...DEI hasn’t finished yet but definitely better than Three kingdoms with all its glory not even a match....DEI woo woo
DEI all the way mate!
Just so everyone knows, all silver mines produce both silver and lead.
Super content,wish you good luck with your
new videos
Thank you!
PLEASE do Bactria my guy! Love the content!
Thank you for asking mate! They will probably be our next Hellenic faction. Next up is a Iberian one though I think.
hey hey immersaholic i love your content and in depth dei vids!! please keep it coming :)
Thanks mate I shall!
I'm currently playing as Media and other than beating some full stacks with very little units of my own against Armenia there were no difficulties at all. The Seleukids were a easy target (as always) and the rest of the eastern World were no match either.
So you would agree with my difficulty rating then?
@@Immersaholic Sure, I think both Armenia (my last campaign) and Media are both fairly easy, you take out Armenia or Media, grab Antioch and nearby cities from the weakened Seleukids and from there on noone can compete with you.
@@simons.7957 Thanks for the insight mate!
Ganzar isn't the only place with both silver and lead Naissos in Thrace has the same thing that's the only place I know so far
Very interesting! I wonder why that is. Thanks for the tip!
I have a question though; I can see in my campaign that most of the Seleucid satrapies become quite friendly to the Seleucids the more wars they fight together. Will they eventually rebel against their overlords even if they are friendly?
It is possible for the Seleucids to avoid the rebellion by having their satrapies love them so much. Its very unlikely for the ai to get this done but it is possible. You may also have only 1 or 2 satrapies rebel instead of all of them, its mainly based on their relationship with their overlords.
@@Immersaholic OK, thx for answering, really appreciate it 👍
Omg I forgot that this faction exists
Lmao! They’ve had such a massive amount of work out into them too! Well worth a campaign or two!
Yeah maybe I'll try them out after I'm done with my Nabatea campaign
Another awesome faction! Good luck with your campaigns mate
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Now playing as Media
Just when I finished off Armenia at turn 50 , Galatia and it's 2 vassal states in place of pontos all came to attack me , then the Greeks at the bosphour declared war , I can hold them off since they are all from one direction
What's bad is if parthia declared war as well and it's game over then
Sounds like a fun campaign mate! Parthia can definitely be tough but at least you know you'll mainly face either really bad infantry or mainly cavalry, get some long range skirmishing and you'll be okay :)
@@Immersaholic I dont have any armies in Parthia's direction because can't afford another army upkeep 😅
So iam basically just giving them random money gifts every 5 turns like 3000s or something to delay them
@@rdg665 Instead of sending them money you could also try to make just a small army of like 5-10 units of cav or skirmishers and keep them next to a town they'd likely attack when they do attack. That way you can use the town to draw the enemy in then surround them easily.
@@Immersaholic i think a half stack of crappy archers and persian hoplites and satrap spearmen would be better than cav and skirmishers, If they declared war they will attack the first settlement on their way which is Ekbatana which has walls and stuff , Hoplites will do good blocking the streets and archers will kill any missile units they have and satrap spearmen to flank their blocked infantry/cavalry
And i already have 4 cav units from the city garrison there to chase them down
How do you get the late reforms for the Iranian cavalry, is it turn based or imperium?
Wow those models are great.
I agree! The golden cataphracts are epic as!
Good video
Thanks mate!!
Hi :) Thx for the video... it helping me as hell ... just playin this faction and i have to say its lot of fun ... but i wanna ask you ... when i can expect reformes ??? i am new to this mod so i am still leraning ... so far i am using only foot units but i cant wait to use horse archers ... :) :D :D :D
I'm glad I could help mate! Here is the info on reforms from the DEI website:
"Iranian reforms happen for this faction at turn 65.
Imperial reforms happen after securing Parsa, Nisa and Seleukeia and after turn 211."
@@Immersaholic Thank you sooooooooo much :) :) i am at turn 51 rn so yay its close . .:D :D
Thank you for your reply and that you finded for me :) :)
Keep what you doin mate cuz u doin it good :) :)
@@miroslavantonin9354 Thanks mate very kind of you! So happy I could help you :)
Man, how you still have 1k subs you should be in the 100k now
We just hit it last week mate :D
Cheers I appreciate it
I can't recruit the gond-i shah heavy melee unit why...? It say need different reform. I already change to different goverment reform,but still can recruit them
G'day mate, I found this following quote directly on the DeI guide for the Media reforms: Iranian reforms happen for this faction by turn 65.
Imperial reforms happen after securing Parsa, Nisa and Seleukeia and after turn 211.
To get Imperial reforms you do NOT change your government to Empire by the way, you just have to complete the city takeovers mentioned and wait a very long time until turn 211.
Does anyone know if this faction is historically accurate? Because they share a lot of traits and units that were only used by the Sassanid empire, as far as I know.
The DeI team as far as I'm aware only will add units if there is some form of historical record describing the unit in use in an area. The units might be a hundred or 2 hundred years before their time though but that is due to the time constraints of the campaign VS balanced game play. It wouldn't make sense to have to play like 800 turns to get access to Roman Marian-era troops.
@@Immersaholic understandable, I don’t mind. I’ve always wanted a persian faction in Rome 2 and this one comes closest imo
Bro if you make campaign with them it will be interest pls record from them campaign❤️
Thank you for the suggestion mate!! I love the faction and I will almost definitely play it in the future but probably not for a while since I’m already doing Parthia. I like to do different areas for each of my campaigns. Maybe when we come back to the East we can check them out 😊
@@Immersaholic Thanks to your reply and I Wish your channel grow up in future you will becoming one of top youtuber
@@Immersaholic and please make gameplay with total war three kingdoms
Parthia would win with a Cav on Cav battles I think... better horse archers
I'm currently murdering Artokpatkan in my campaign right now :D
I can't be mad because I hate them in my Parthian campaign atm :D
Gelek spas jibo vê vîdeoyê.
Can anyone direct me to what mods I need to play Divide et Impera please?
Mods are linked in the description below mate :)
@@Immersaholic aaa, they were hidden, thanks bro, joined your discord channel too :). Keep up the good work!!!
@@iordanisperdikidis638 Thanks mate!
the easiest faction to play as when fighting 1:1
I can confirm they are insanely powerful for online battles :D
So, is this persia?
Basically yes.
Sure, those late game units are nice, but turn 200? Eugh!
No thanks.
It is a little rough that it’s so late, although it depends on what kind of player you are. I usually play campaigns to turn 300+ because I love slow burns
@@Immersaholic I feel like turn 200 is just... too late- at turn 100~ I've already conquered all my surrounding provinces in the east, and the steppes, bosphorous and caucasus as Baktria, and I have all my units unlocked.
By turn 200, I'll have conquered all the middle east and anatolia and parts of greece, the campaign would already be won at that point, there's only really a few factions left that pose any threat right now (selucids, rome and maybe egypt/carthage, though I doubt it.)
The campaign is basically over by the time you unlock those units for Artokpatkan :C
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND Yeah I see your point but it just comes down to how you play. For example my Parthian campaign is at turn 125 and I've barely survived and only have 2 full provinces under my control. Although its a much harder campaign, I still play fairly slow and immersively.
It would be nice to be lower than 200 turns for the reforms though, maybe 120 or so at most.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND The reason why we made it that late is because these units are from very end of DeI campaign timeframe, which is II AD or even touch it a bit III AD. They are supposed to be reward for players who sticks long enough, otherwise they would be anachronistic if they would happen earlier.
atropatene = azerbaijan
More like Iran?
Kurds in fact