Rome in DEI was the most authentic gameplay ive ever had. The Punic wars raged on for over 100 turns for me. With pirates and Romes crappy Navy made it hard to invade carthage. It was so much fun.
Same. I resorted to crossing the Alps and occupying Carthaginian territories in Hispania, before pincering Carthage itself from Numidia and Sicily. In the vanilla game, you could take Carthage after a few breeze battles, making it a hollow victory.
@@cerdic6586 that's a good idea. Their Navy is so powerful I had to abandon Sicily. And make a defensive stand in Italy. I'm now focusing on open my economy.
@@TomTomXIV Carthage also has an overall better army prior to the Polybian reforms, so you cannot really go on the offensive and defend Italy simultaneously. If you manage to take Sicily, you can hold it with just one army and 8-10 medium ships whilst you await the Polybian reforms. If you lack capital to invest into your economy, then you can sack/loot the Illyrian or Cisalpine settlements.
@@TomTomXIV Roman navy is honestly not bad at all you just have to build a shipyard in your home province and get actually good but expensive ships, the AI fleets are trash, Carthage’s navy is mostly archer ships with 700-900 health, as Rome you need to build ships that outclass them, I think the 1200 health ones, they can one hit the 700 health ships, so you don’t even need a full fleet, just get about 8-10 of the big ships.it’s quite an investment but once your new fleet destroy the Carthaginian fleet, you are set, just park the fleet next to Carthago and raid their trade , Carthage will keep sending armies against your fleet which is just free slaves for you, or you can ransoms them for a large sum of money. But honestly going to Africa in early game is a bad idea, Carthage have too many vassals, if you invade with two armies you can win every battle in the beginning but numidia and the other desert faction will have about 3 full armies attacking you nonstop and due to population you can’t replenish so your two armies will be slowly ground down till they are no longer battle effective. Better to just take the historical route leave north Africa alone keep making money by killing transport fleet for slaves and money while consolidate cisalpine Gaul and take over Greece kinda like the Macedonia wars those province are even richer than Africa, once you conquered Greece you would have enough money to support about four armies, send two invade through Sicily and the other two through Spain, by that time you generals will also be pretty high ranked with high campaign movement and replenishment rates.
"HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!" Did you hear about Ray Stevenson(Pullo from Rome)? That one hit hard, I was so excited that he was gonna be in the new Ashoka show. He was an amazing actor, one of my favs.
Even though my potato pc won't play anything that isn't an indie game or from 15/20 years ago I can sit and nerd over videos like these for hours. why do I want to watch an overview of faction from a game I won't play any time soon if ever? Well, it's just fun! Awesome work with the video!
Haha thanks so much mate! I'm the same for a lot of games because my pc isn't great now too. I hope your pc situation improves soon mate! You'll have thousands of hours in this mod if you do :)
You get access to some amazing 400-man auxiliary units as Rome. I believe the ones recruited in Dacia and Illyria are superior in stats to regular legionaries. Also some auxiliary cataphracts in Pannonia I think.
Those ship towers are excellent in landing operations since they have endless ammo and they shoot while they are on the beach, so you can stay near them to benefit from that, or sail near the enemy troops on shore to let them do some killing. Just be careful also while being near them as they can shoot your troops in the back, so position yourself correctly.
I know Rorarii are weak but even weak units can hold a front line in DEI. I personally use the Rorarii in my front line and have stronger spears fill in gaps and assist while my Principes out flank the enemy. I mostly do this because 3rd class citizens are easier to replace and unit upkeep is lower. This is really good for early to mid game. My biggest complaint about Rorarii is after the Polybian "upgrade." Before the reform Rorarii were the cheapest unit that could form a square, which is useful for holding a front line. After the reform they have the exact same stats and no ability to form square, not sure why this was a design choice.
Your picture of Luna at the beginning is so beautiful. I honestly couldn’t imagine a better photo of my cat to remember her by. Coincidentally, my cat is also named Luna!
I'm on my first playthrough of DEI after completing some 8 campaigns as Rome before and I had to restart it about turn 6 at the latest 5 times because Epirus and Etruscia absolutely dogged me on normal difficulty (my lack of knowledge about the new units didn't help) I'm now on my 7th run and finally got my fitting only because I managed to broker peace with Epirus 1st turn and all the other families didn't hate me at the start and massive civil unrest from the get go. And the fact that armies are now decreasing public order instead of increasing it is also quite the change. Been playing with a pops mod before tho so that wasn't difficult to adjust to lol
Can be a bit daunting at first but once you play a few campaigns you'll get the hang of it mate. I recommend you take on the Etruscans within the first 4 turns. March your army north as you recruit more heavy infantry, you'll outclass them easily :)
For me, I took both the starting legions, decked them out and took Taras quickly, and peaced out with Epirus. Then I focused on the Etruscans. Once they were gone I took Cisalpina, and by then the war with Carthage began. The whole time I was focusing on peace treaties with the greek world. Of course I lost that campaign due to pirates taking Asculum and magically spawning a 15 stack there instantly. (I wish DEI at least didn't have shit like that, but it's better than vanilla still). I'm honestly not sure what to do about the pirates, I was barely scraping by with the legions I did have against Carthage, and didn't have nearly enough money for a fleet to defend against the pirates, so I'm at a bit of an impasse for now. It wouldn't be much of a problem if they just sacked the towns like normal pirates, but occupying it and spawning a new faction with a nearly full high quality army is just fucking stupid.
@@stunseed8385 thanks for the tip to it comes a bit late lol. Ive completed 2 DEI campaigns since and am on my 3rd by now. If you're wondering, I've added some submods every run to fit it to my preferences. I got rid of the army garrison debuff by now and got a mod that allows for much more Armies so I can have generals with small Armies (less than 5 units usually) as province governors. The generals are built for administration and improving cultural convertion while I have only 2 actual Armies, my consular Armies at any given time where the generals are skilled for combat buffs. That way I can actually use the multitudes of family members I have by the midgame while keeping the other parties happy by sending them on diplomatic missions over and over. I also went with a 2 turns per year mod while changing the reform requirements to get more historically accurate units for the given time period. Just hit my polybian reforms at turn 100. Marian's are gonna be around 100BC now and Imperials around 20BC. I also figured out how to postpone war with Carthage so I don't get dunked on from 3 sides and can have a more methodical playthrough. Just stay at war with Syracuse but never fight them. Carthage wipes them out and the script doesn't trigger until like turn 50 or so. Many of the other factions have hit their reforms long before me so they stand a much better chance against me without the cheat buffs the AI gets on higher dif. I managed to win my first Punic War without wiping Carthage out and only taking Sicilia and Corsica/Sardinia by only defeating their Armies and sacking their cities. Now I'm in my Second Punic War, taken Africa Province, gotten the Numidians to break their Vassalage and make piece with me while I have 1 consular army march into Spain and finish Carthage off this time.
There is a mod that places the socii units to population type 4 which massively improves their useability, also the velites are the most underrated unit in the polybian roster.🙂
@@Immersaholic you need to balance it yourself ofcourse, otherwise the game becomes way too easy, but it is more realistic because in the real roman history they were not ‘citizens of rome’ there by not pop 2 or 3🙃
Primus inter pares= first among(st) equals This was also what Augustus called himself. He was not an emperor, he was the first citizen, the Princeps, the first among equals.
Cool breakdown. On a related note, when I was fighting Rome as Massalia in DEI = basically you got to outnumber the legions and take them piecemeal. Massalian Thorax-type sword infantry *can* fight Rome Principes, Prima Corhors or even Legionaires head on same with Massalian elite hoplites... but I was heavily reliant on Cavalry to slam into their backs and also on my Peltasts to wipe a flank and pile in.
Thanks mate, yes your definitely right! Although I'd probably prefer to use hoplites more than swords against Rome as they will last a super long time in phalanx, then hit them with as much cav or shock infantry as you can. You have some helpful axemen in Northern Italy too that you can recruit.
I have done one before but I probably need to redo it. It was quite a while ago. The end of the campaign section is where I also try to give tips and advice but maybe I can do extra for that faction
Ok, Primus Inter Pares means literally "the first (or better "the major one") between the two equals". The equals were the two consuls, the political guides of Republican Rome. It was a late republic / early principate era definition for what we call today "emperor". In all effect, when Octavian became emperor, he was officially proclamated Primus Inter Pares because the roman world wasn't ready to accept monarchy like in its ancient past (before the Tarquinii were driven out of the city) or in the near East, like at the hellenistic and Parthian courts.
Glad you confirmed the lower health of the 400 man units because my units were getting torn up despite having 3 gold bars of experience. In reflection it makes sense as 400 man unit with double health would be unstoppable in combat and thats before you include the fact they are in the rome faction
Thanks mate! Occasionally things will happen where I gotta step away for a short time but I don’t plan on shutting the channel down for many years to come.
i remember when i was playing the original rome total war as a kid my hastati became such veterans from being with me at the start that they outclassed early legions
@@Immersaholic One of the silliest things from the first RTW. Every level of experience meant a +1 to attack (both ranged and melee) and (melee) defense. Based on this arrangement you can imagine how ranged units have a scaling advantage.
God damn bro, hour and 43 min overview! Hahaha, that's awesome. I love this mod and am glad to have channel like yours that goes so in-depth. Keep up the good work homie, rip your kitty. :(
The Antesignani I think are quite underrated in the campaign with their ranged alpha damage + spears with bonus damage vs cav. As long as they're deployed with a throwaway unit to take charges and missiles for them (any regional levy unit is fine), they are great as counters to everything the Legionaries are weak against.
Alternatively, because of how good Legionaries are defensively when in their formation, you can leave gaps between cohorts for the skirmishers to pour javelins at point blank range through said gaps into enemy heavy units.
Exactly. They’re described as elite light infantry anyway, and in my campaigns they’re always one of the first units to reach gold chevrons due to how good they are, even when their javelins are spent
@@Immersaholic I did. I'm not sure if it's changed since the video or if I've missed something, but Epirus seem to start with a much stronger army in Italy (playing on hard). It took a lot of trial and error before I figured out a starting strategy that worked for me, but the video was helpful and I enjoyed watching. I'm loving the slower pace of the game, I feel like I've actually worked for my gains as opposed to steamrolling everyone.
I agree on the pacing for sure :) I'm not sure if Epirus has been changed or not, I want to start a series focusing more on how factions can do well early on.@@ellis9290
Actually war dogs can be devastating, I almost always use a full dog stack, they can decimate many types of low armour armies, use them like torpedoes. The kicker is that using it as support army, after you launch the dogs, just keep the handlers back and run them out of the battle so you won't take any casualties. Sometimes if caught alone with dog army, launch the dogs and run away, next fight you have all your dogs again, while enemy lost units.
It can definitely be easily abused. I see how they can be useful but I kinda look at them like chariots. A fun idea that can do decent in the right circumstances. But I’d prefer a solid unit that I know will perform great every time against certain units
Thanks for watching! I almost always use submods for my campaigns. Graphic ones and then things like 12 turns per year, cultural tensio, and realistic legions are great. Then the antiquity overhaul mod is amazing too
I'm not sure if it's already been mentioned (and I don't have the wherewithal to read all 262 comments) but Primus Inter Pares means "first among equals"
Thanks for the vid, enjoying a DEI Rome campaign now! Hey checkout the Better Water mod when you next play, its really outstanding how much it changes the reflections and hue of the water.
Thanks very much :) Enjoy your campaign! I'd love to hear about how you go! Also I have used that better water mod before, I found it to be a bit too bright to my taste. Orbis Terrarum Realistic Water does a really good job with the water in my opinion. Thank you regardless :)
Welcome aboard mate! If you've never played total war at ALL then I'd say you can definitely try vanilla Rome 2. But to be honest, playing Divide Et Impera on easy would still be a good experience. It's really not a hard mod, especially on easy.
@@Immersaholic i will give DEI a try on easy, then. If i'll have to learn the game from 0 i might as well do it with all the extra features. Thanks for quick answer and have a nice day!
I wish I’d known about the automatic war with Carthage once you take syracuse. It is painful to fight carthage early. Their navy is massive and their client states would send armies constantly. I took a chance and invaded carthage and got stuck there 😥
You can try and liberate their weaker coastal settlements. You can take them with a relatively small navy and then pull out before they can retaliate. That way you create Allies all along their coastline
Finally rome :) If I may abuse this for a question. Do you have any clue how to remove the trait "disdained faction leader" ? Parthia starts with it e.g. and it just sucks a lot. Would be worth it to just kill off your faction leader because he has it. Furthermore i read everywhere that your faction leader gives bonuses when in the capital. However, i don't observe anything at all, is this juts outdated info on all the websites?
For the first question, just have to kill your leader sadly. For the second question, there is bonuses but some are more discrete. Like it’ll help your population improve. I believe you also have to have your leader be a general in order to get their personal trait bonuses to take affect. You can then also select trait cards to focus on administrator stuff
Rorarii are great when you can't afford full army of good units - they are like 3 times cheaper than Principes and it's really beneficial to have more units than enemy, even if they are shit ones only usable for flanking..
To be honest staying as a Republic is probably the best bet. Usually you want to change your government within the first 20 turns so you still have the civil war protection on. Later down the road the Romans always have civil wars so if you time it wrong, changing your government later down the road as Rome isn't really worth the civil unrest imo.
Absolutely, I’m working on it at the moment however there are literally thousands of them to go through. I’ll probably do a broad overview and select some of the best units 🤓
BTW the Hastati aren’t meant to be good. DEI focuses a lot on historical accuracy and the Hastati were mostly recruits who went i to battle first to break or at least tire out the enemy. Rome utilized 3 lines of different units with each line further back being more experienced. So if the enemy did manage to break through the front line, they’d have to break through a second tougher (and fresh) second line, and then the most experienced (and fresh) 3rd line. Rome rarely ever deployed the third like though and it was seen as a desperate act to use them, most famously they were used mostly against Pyrrus and Carthage during the Republic’s early wars in Southern Italy. DEI wants you to likewise use the Tripex strategy to fight as Rome, which is why so many units are at different levels of “stats” meant to represent a sort of artificial experience outside of the experience mechanic.
Indeed you are correct. I mainly complain about them in terms of just meta and gameplay :P I almost always have people in the comments of videos with them swearing they are fantastic, but in terms of pure game play it makes no sense at all to recruit them over Principes. Playing immersively of course recruiting them is fun and makes sense though :)
Problem is with dei is that the Plebian class is quite limited so your biggest concern is not cost but population. Paying extra for Princepes is simply just more worth it.
I just get peace and confederate the Etruscans on turn 1. Drag as many people into the war as you can (you might have to pay Carthage a little money but it's worth it), the balance of power becomes such that they will accept peace and confederation.
I have 2000+ hours on Rome 2 and probably 600 of that is DEI. And even for me playing as Rome can be a coin flip between easy and hard, depends on the AI.
1:00:20 the Camillan Principes Samnitici actually have higher Melee attack, Defense and Weapon damage than the Roman Principes. But lower armor by 5. Its a big difference: the Principes Samnitici have a different role.
To the Romans a Republic wasn't a specific government type. It's why they still call the empire a republic even after the façade is dropped and the throne becomes hereditary (and as late as the Byzantium era). Yeah. . . I am the living embodiment of the "well, actually" meme.
@@Immersaholic after trying it. I'm now struggling with normal lol. I can't stop the revolts in Sicily what's -111 public order. Carthage keep you raiding my cities by sea, they destroy my fleet. My main legion can't fully replenish. I have no income and trading with everyone possible 🤣
@@TomTomXIV haha sounds like “easy” might be a better option to learn 😅 Here is a couple more tips - Putting your army AND fleet in a town negatively affects the public order massively - Don’t Loot a town after you take it - Use champions and dignitaries to change the culture in your region to Latin. - Try lowering or turning off taxes in new territories you take for a little bit
@@Immersaholic oh I didn't know that about dignitaries and champions. I did loot Syracuse because I desperately needed the money lol but the other cities I occupied. Those are the ones getting harassed by Carthage.
I got peace with epyros on like the first turn then we were both at war with Carthage but epyros wouldn’t accept any treaties with me at all even tho we had green relations. I’m using the 12 turn per year, is there like a time limit where they won’t work with you?
It depends on a lot of things but the difficulty your playing is the most important, that and then the relations take a lot of time to heal. I would just take out Epirus if I were you tbh
@@Immersaholic on older patches I was able to get peace and alliance with them. I wonder if the phyric and punic wars are more scripted now in a sense. Yea I know i probably need to take them out but I’m usually friendly with greeks and Carthage pushes Sicily so hard I couldn’t spare armies.
![A Precarious Situation - ROME 2 Total War ~ Let's Play SELEUCIDS [Divide Et Impera] #1](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Deyvi0_B9_o/mqdefault.jpg)
Call this man Aragorn, but the king has returned
Bruh 😎
Gave me an actual audible LoL in the middle of work 😁
"Primus inter pares" means "the first among equals"
Rome in DEI was the most authentic gameplay ive ever had.
The Punic wars raged on for over 100 turns for me.
With pirates and Romes crappy Navy made it hard to invade carthage.
It was so much fun.
Same mate! Absolutely love a Rome campaign
Same. I resorted to crossing the Alps and occupying Carthaginian territories in Hispania, before pincering Carthage itself from Numidia and Sicily. In the vanilla game, you could take Carthage after a few breeze battles, making it a hollow victory.
@@cerdic6586 that's a good idea. Their Navy is so powerful I had to abandon Sicily. And make a defensive stand in Italy. I'm now focusing on open my economy.
@@TomTomXIV Carthage also has an overall better army prior to the Polybian reforms, so you cannot really go on the offensive and defend Italy simultaneously. If you manage to take Sicily, you can hold it with just one army and 8-10 medium ships whilst you await the Polybian reforms. If you lack capital to invest into your economy, then you can sack/loot the Illyrian or Cisalpine settlements.
@@TomTomXIV Roman navy is honestly not bad at all you just have to build a shipyard in your home province and get actually good but expensive ships, the AI fleets are trash, Carthage’s navy is mostly archer ships with 700-900 health, as Rome you need to build ships that outclass them, I think the 1200 health ones, they can one hit the 700 health ships, so you don’t even need a full fleet, just get about 8-10 of the big ships.it’s quite an investment but once your new fleet destroy the Carthaginian fleet, you are set, just park the fleet next to Carthago and raid their trade , Carthage will keep sending armies against your fleet which is just free slaves for you, or you can ransoms them for a large sum of money. But honestly going to Africa in early game is a bad idea, Carthage have too many vassals, if you invade with two armies you can win every battle in the beginning but numidia and the other desert faction will have about 3 full armies attacking you nonstop and due to population you can’t replenish so your two armies will be slowly ground down till they are no longer battle effective. Better to just take the historical route leave north Africa alone keep making money by killing transport fleet for slaves and money while consolidate cisalpine Gaul and take over Greece kinda like the Macedonia wars those province are even richer than Africa, once you conquered Greece you would have enough money to support about four armies, send two invade through Sicily and the other two through Spain, by that time you generals will also be pretty high ranked with high campaign movement and replenishment rates.
"HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!" Did you hear about Ray Stevenson(Pullo from Rome)? That one hit hard, I was so excited that he was gonna be in the new Ashoka show. He was an amazing actor, one of my favs.
Indeed I did, heart breaking mate. Just gotta treasure the gifts he did leave us with.
Never forget the 13th!
What Ashoka show?
@@kaustubhlunawat7827 it's a new star wars show coming out on Disney plus later this year.
Auxillries of note: Sardinian archers, Tarentine cavalry.
Glad to have you back Immersaholic!
Indeed!
Thanks mate!
Cretan Archers gang
Sardinians are very expensive for what they bring imo, though they do good work if you stick with them.
Primus Inter Pares means "First Among Equals" if I'm not mistaken.
Even though my potato pc won't play anything that isn't an indie game or from 15/20 years ago I can sit and nerd over videos like these for hours. why do I want to watch an overview of faction from a game I won't play any time soon if ever? Well, it's just fun!
Awesome work with the video!
Haha thanks so much mate! I'm the same for a lot of games because my pc isn't great now too. I hope your pc situation improves soon mate! You'll have thousands of hours in this mod if you do :)
In memoriam amantem Luna 🐱
Nice to see a new video of you! Glad your back 🎉
Thanks my man
Not only is immersaholic back, but he drops a rome overview? This made my week, welcome back! 🎉
My man hitting that gold membership!! Your insane mate, thanks so much for the support
You get access to some amazing 400-man auxiliary units as Rome. I believe the ones recruited in Dacia and Illyria are superior in stats to regular legionaries. Also some auxiliary cataphracts in Pannonia I think.
For sure! Those 400s are juicy and very helpful! I'll be doing more videos talking about them in the future :)
Those ship towers are excellent in landing operations since they have endless ammo and they shoot while they are on the beach, so you can stay near them to benefit from that, or sail near the enemy troops on shore to let them do some killing. Just be careful also while being near them as they can shoot your troops in the back, so position yourself correctly.
They can definitely have a solid effect over time, just gotta watch for that friendly fire too
i used this strategy against cartago
I love that you're redoing these. Selucids next? Glad your back!
Thanks mate! I’m not sure what will be next but we’ll see.
@Michael Orme Cheers for the suggestions mate
I know Rorarii are weak but even weak units can hold a front line in DEI. I personally use the Rorarii in my front line and have stronger spears fill in gaps and assist while my Principes out flank the enemy. I mostly do this because 3rd class citizens are easier to replace and unit upkeep is lower. This is really good for early to mid game. My biggest complaint about Rorarii is after the Polybian "upgrade." Before the reform Rorarii were the cheapest unit that could form a square, which is useful for holding a front line. After the reform they have the exact same stats and no ability to form square, not sure why this was a design choice.
Your picture of Luna at the beginning is so beautiful. I honestly couldn’t imagine a better photo of my cat to remember her by. Coincidentally, my cat is also named Luna!
I'm on my first playthrough of DEI after completing some 8 campaigns as Rome before and I had to restart it about turn 6 at the latest 5 times because Epirus and Etruscia absolutely dogged me on normal difficulty (my lack of knowledge about the new units didn't help) I'm now on my 7th run and finally got my fitting only because I managed to broker peace with Epirus 1st turn and all the other families didn't hate me at the start and massive civil unrest from the get go. And the fact that armies are now decreasing public order instead of increasing it is also quite the change. Been playing with a pops mod before tho so that wasn't difficult to adjust to lol
Can be a bit daunting at first but once you play a few campaigns you'll get the hang of it mate. I recommend you take on the Etruscans within the first 4 turns. March your army north as you recruit more heavy infantry, you'll outclass them easily :)
For me, I took both the starting legions, decked them out and took Taras quickly, and peaced out with Epirus. Then I focused on the Etruscans. Once they were gone I took Cisalpina, and by then the war with Carthage began. The whole time I was focusing on peace treaties with the greek world. Of course I lost that campaign due to pirates taking Asculum and magically spawning a 15 stack there instantly. (I wish DEI at least didn't have shit like that, but it's better than vanilla still).
I'm honestly not sure what to do about the pirates, I was barely scraping by with the legions I did have against Carthage, and didn't have nearly enough money for a fleet to defend against the pirates, so I'm at a bit of an impasse for now. It wouldn't be much of a problem if they just sacked the towns like normal pirates, but occupying it and spawning a new faction with a nearly full high quality army is just fucking stupid.
Rely on cavalry. Ur troops are meant to hold the line. The AI usually buckles after 1 or 2 clean charges.
@@stunseed8385 thanks for the tip to it comes a bit late lol. Ive completed 2 DEI campaigns since and am on my 3rd by now. If you're wondering, I've added some submods every run to fit it to my preferences. I got rid of the army garrison debuff by now and got a mod that allows for much more Armies so I can have generals with small Armies (less than 5 units usually) as province governors. The generals are built for administration and improving cultural convertion while I have only 2 actual Armies, my consular Armies at any given time where the generals are skilled for combat buffs. That way I can actually use the multitudes of family members I have by the midgame while keeping the other parties happy by sending them on diplomatic missions over and over. I also went with a 2 turns per year mod while changing the reform requirements to get more historically accurate units for the given time period. Just hit my polybian reforms at turn 100. Marian's are gonna be around 100BC now and Imperials around 20BC. I also figured out how to postpone war with Carthage so I don't get dunked on from 3 sides and can have a more methodical playthrough. Just stay at war with Syracuse but never fight them. Carthage wipes them out and the script doesn't trigger until like turn 50 or so. Many of the other factions have hit their reforms long before me so they stand a much better chance against me without the cheat buffs the AI gets on higher dif. I managed to win my first Punic War without wiping Carthage out and only taking Sicilia and Corsica/Sardinia by only defeating their Armies and sacking their cities. Now I'm in my Second Punic War, taken Africa Province, gotten the Numidians to break their Vassalage and make piece with me while I have 1 consular army march into Spain and finish Carthage off this time.
There is a mod that places the socii units to population type 4 which massively improves their useability, also the velites are the most underrated unit in the polybian roster.🙂
That would be an interesting mod, although I can see it being too powerful then too. Maybe the number of units could be limited
@@Immersaholic you need to balance it yourself ofcourse, otherwise the game becomes way too easy, but it is more realistic because in the real roman history they were not ‘citizens of rome’ there by not pop 2 or 3🙃
Do you have the link for the mod?
@@kaustubhlunawat7827 its called perregrinni allies in the workshop.
Primus inter pares= first among(st) equals
This was also what Augustus called himself. He was not an emperor, he was the first citizen, the Princeps, the first among equals.
Welcome back! Great overvieuw mate! Also my condolensces🙁
Thanks very much mate!
Love your in depth faction reviews mate, looking forward to the next one. Glad you,re back!
Thanks mate!
Damn, I missed these! Really glad you are back at it!!
Thanks my man, can’t wait to start throwing up some of your online battles 😏
Again sorry for your loss ❤ love the videos and as someone else wrote. The king is back
Thanks very much mate! Your all too kind
Cool breakdown.
On a related note, when I was fighting Rome as Massalia in DEI = basically you got to outnumber the legions and take them piecemeal. Massalian Thorax-type sword infantry *can* fight Rome Principes, Prima Corhors or even Legionaires head on same with Massalian elite hoplites... but I was heavily reliant on Cavalry to slam into their backs and also on my Peltasts to wipe a flank and pile in.
Thanks mate, yes your definitely right! Although I'd probably prefer to use hoplites more than swords against Rome as they will last a super long time in phalanx, then hit them with as much cav or shock infantry as you can. You have some helpful axemen in Northern Italy too that you can recruit.
You should do a Syracuse faction overview with a couple of minutes dedicated to different steps you can take for beginning such a hard campaign
I have done one before but I probably need to redo it. It was quite a while ago. The end of the campaign section is where I also try to give tips and advice but maybe I can do extra for that faction
Its happening!
"Primus inter pares" means "First among equals".
I thought it meant to sub to twitch prime 😏
Ok, Primus Inter Pares means literally "the first (or better "the major one") between the two equals". The equals were the two consuls, the political guides of Republican Rome.
It was a late republic / early principate era definition for what we call today "emperor".
In all effect, when Octavian became emperor, he was officially proclamated Primus Inter Pares because the roman world wasn't ready to accept monarchy like in its ancient past (before the Tarquinii were driven out of the city) or in the near East, like at the hellenistic and Parthian courts.
Glad you confirmed the lower health of the 400 man units because my units were getting torn up despite having 3 gold bars of experience. In reflection it makes sense as 400 man unit with double health would be unstoppable in combat and thats before you include the fact they are in the rome faction
It took me a while to wrap my head around my losses with that unit lol 😆
That stinks, they should just make the upkeep massive and make them slower in battle or something. Although the HP system just kinda sucks in general
16:30, is that part of the original rome 2 sound track, never heard that before.
In ancient empire mod, hastati upkeep is half of principal’s, that makes the difference
Haven't watched this yet inly just seen you released it look forward to it thank you for all of these
Thanks very much for sticking around mate! Hope you enjoy
Awesome video! So happy to see this one! Gonna check out the other newer ones as well! :)
Thanks very much mate!
Can you make a guide on how to setup provinces with buildings and such?
There is never a single one way option to do things but I'll definitely be doing videos giving examples at least :)
1:27:45 That is the laugh you do when you know you are close in achieving pax romana
Welcome back!
Found you during your hiatus and held hope that you'd come back.
Thanks mate! Occasionally things will happen where I gotta step away for a short time but I don’t plan on shutting the channel down for many years to come.
@@Immersaholic yeah, I read about that. Glad you're in a place to continue now.
i remember when i was playing the original rome total war as a kid my hastati became such veterans from being with me at the start that they outclassed early legions
My first total war was empire, but I’ve seen insane pictures of units becoming op in the old games lol 😆
@@Immersaholic One of the silliest things from the first RTW. Every level of experience meant a +1 to attack (both ranged and melee) and (melee) defense. Based on this arrangement you can imagine how ranged units have a scaling advantage.
always a nice day when Immersaholic uploads
Staahhhp 😍
Cheers mate!
God damn bro, hour and 43 min overview! Hahaha, that's awesome. I love this mod and am glad to have channel like yours that goes so in-depth. Keep up the good work homie, rip your kitty. :(
Thanks mate! I hope the length is okay, it could’ve easily been way longer too tbh lol
@@Immersaholic naw it's perfect :). It def make sense for a faction like Rome.
@@TheSentientsix Thanks very much :)
The Antesignani I think are quite underrated in the campaign with their ranged alpha damage + spears with bonus damage vs cav. As long as they're deployed with a throwaway unit to take charges and missiles for them (any regional levy unit is fine), they are great as counters to everything the Legionaries are weak against.
Alternatively, because of how good Legionaries are defensively when in their formation, you can leave gaps between cohorts for the skirmishers to pour javelins at point blank range through said gaps into enemy heavy units.
I like the strat of using gaps in your lines. Even using some shock infantry would be a good way to hit the flanks of units that wrap around your own
Exactly. They’re described as elite light infantry anyway, and in my campaigns they’re always one of the first units to reach gold chevrons due to how good they are, even when their javelins are spent
So happy to have you back!!!
I’m happy to have you here mate 😎
subbed. very well put together, can't wait for more
keep it up 👍
Thanks so much! There will be plenty more to come!
Recommendation for a TV show - Plebs (Comedy set in the roman era, follows a friend group of plebeians)
Nice I’ll have to check it out!
Oh boy the Rome overview! But at what cost 😔 rip Luna
@1:38:54 sweet thumbnail opportunity :)
amazing to see the GOAT dei creator back. Have been around since the spartan in egypt era!
You are too kind mate, I’m so happy to see you still around ❤️
My sincerest condolences for Luna.
Thank you for the great video.
Thanks very much mate, I hope you found the video helpful
@@Immersaholic I did. I'm not sure if it's changed since the video or if I've missed something, but Epirus seem to start with a much stronger army in Italy (playing on hard).
It took a lot of trial and error before I figured out a starting strategy that worked for me, but the video was helpful and I enjoyed watching.
I'm loving the slower pace of the game, I feel like I've actually worked for my gains as opposed to steamrolling everyone.
I agree on the pacing for sure :) I'm not sure if Epirus has been changed or not, I want to start a series focusing more on how factions can do well early on.@@ellis9290
I agree that taking Africa can be profitable and also to not try to rush it as it’s too hard early without a good navy.
For sure, rushing can be good as the ai isn’t ready but then you can over extend and get caught out. Rushing is tricky
Those noble italian cav from south italy they are cool asf
Apulian Extraordinari too
Indeed! They are very helpful and look badass
Never thought I would see the day 🎉
RIP Luna, lost my cat of 12 years a couple months ago. If you have any MP videos I love those
So sorry to hear that mate, wish you and your loved ones the best.
Yes I do have mp battles coming this week, not sure what day yet though
Actually war dogs can be devastating, I almost always use a full dog stack, they can decimate many types of low armour armies, use them like torpedoes. The kicker is that using it as support army, after you launch the dogs, just keep the handlers back and run them out of the battle so you won't take any casualties. Sometimes if caught alone with dog army, launch the dogs and run away, next fight you have all your dogs again, while enemy lost units.
It can definitely be easily abused. I see how they can be useful but I kinda look at them like chariots. A fun idea that can do decent in the right circumstances. But I’d prefer a solid unit that I know will perform great every time against certain units
Great to have you back man! 💛
Great to have YOU back! ❤️
@@Immersaholic *blush* 😊😆
@@Manco654 I saw you in another comment section lolll
@@texenna 👋😄
RIP Luna
I lost many pets in the last few years I feel you brother.
Thanks very much mate! I'm sorry to hear about your loss too.
Thanks for the video!
Do you use any submonds with DEI 1.3.2? Do you even need to, to enhance the game?
Thanks for watching!
I almost always use submods for my campaigns. Graphic ones and then things like 12 turns per year, cultural tensio, and realistic legions are great. Then the antiquity overhaul mod is amazing too
Wellcome back mate
You too mate ❤
The sicilian levies are one of the best units early game.
I'm not sure if it's already been mentioned (and I don't have the wherewithal to read all 262 comments) but Primus Inter Pares means "first among equals"
1:32:07 Italian Mastin Cane Corso, i have one here in house.
All faction overviews lead to Rome!
My condolences for your loss, it’s great to see you back.
Thank you and thank you for the support ❤️
I would prefer less scripted events. The sandbox of total war is what’s fun for me, and scripted events limit that in my opinion.
you are back 🙏
The ride of the immersarhorrim mate
I really liked to fight carthage in sicilly. Not going out to african as soon as i could. The immersion 😁
Same mate, I like to take my time
you do great work thank you for your videos you have my subscription
Thanks mate! Welcome :)
Yoo my boy is back
Primus Inter Pares means first among equals.
Cheers mate
Thanks for the vid, enjoying a DEI Rome campaign now! Hey checkout the Better Water mod when you next play, its really outstanding how much it changes the reflections and hue of the water.
Thanks very much :) Enjoy your campaign! I'd love to hear about how you go! Also I have used that better water mod before, I found it to be a bit too bright to my taste. Orbis Terrarum Realistic Water does a really good job with the water in my opinion. Thank you regardless :)
I just bought Rome 2 with some dlcs on steam, should i get Divide Et Impera as well as a newb? Never played any total war game before
Welcome aboard mate! If you've never played total war at ALL then I'd say you can definitely try vanilla Rome 2. But to be honest, playing Divide Et Impera on easy would still be a good experience. It's really not a hard mod, especially on easy.
@@Immersaholic i will give DEI a try on easy, then. If i'll have to learn the game from 0 i might as well do it with all the extra features. Thanks for quick answer and have a nice day!
Best of luck friend! Feel free to join our discord if you have any questions about the mod :) @@SchwartzBOSS
I wish I’d known about the automatic war with Carthage once you take syracuse. It is painful to fight carthage early. Their navy is massive and their client states would send armies constantly. I took a chance and invaded carthage and got stuck there 😥
You can try and liberate their weaker coastal settlements. You can take them with a relatively small navy and then pull out before they can retaliate. That way you create Allies all along their coastline
@@Immersaholic brilliant! On it! Thanks for the advice
@@ksavampire No worries mate!
Sorry to hear about the loss of your fur baby king
Thanks very much mate, it was a very heavy loss for us
Finally rome :)
If I may abuse this for a question. Do you have any clue how to remove the trait "disdained faction leader" ? Parthia starts with it e.g. and it just sucks a lot. Would be worth it to just kill off your faction leader because he has it.
Furthermore i read everywhere that your faction leader gives bonuses when in the capital. However, i don't observe anything at all, is this juts outdated info on all the websites?
For the first question, just have to kill your leader sadly.
For the second question, there is bonuses but some are more discrete. Like it’ll help your population improve. I believe you also have to have your leader be a general in order to get their personal trait bonuses to take affect. You can then also select trait cards to focus on administrator stuff
Does anyone have the issue of units basically marching in the 'enemy nearby' stance with their shields up even when there are no enemies?
Can’t believe my luck on this one. I’ve been playing Rome for the past month and keep restarting because of poor empire management cry😢
Good luck mate! I hope this helps you! Always feel free to comment questions or post in our community discord too
OH SHIT it's finally here!
Finally!
C in latin is prounced as a K. So caesar for example is pronouced kaesar. Same with principaes
In English we have our own pronunciations.
We dont have to imitate other languages.
And is there a similar exchange for I & j?
Rorarii are great when you can't afford full army of good units - they are like 3 times cheaper than Principes and it's really beneficial to have more units than enemy, even if they are shit ones only usable for flanking..
Primus inter pares "First among equals".
Counsel Luna would have approved of Rome's Overview!
Thanks mate, she’d be happy watching your legions run across the screen. She loved pawing at them lol
Ahh yes Syracuse being the ancient Belgium hahu
Blitzkrieg it is then 😈
Watched it a second time looking for your thoughts on Roman government types. Is it worth it to switch government to reformed republic?
To be honest staying as a Republic is probably the best bet. Usually you want to change your government within the first 20 turns so you still have the civil war protection on. Later down the road the Romans always have civil wars so if you time it wrong, changing your government later down the road as Rome isn't really worth the civil unrest imo.
Finally. Inner peace.
Can you make a video on the AORs that are worth getting?
Absolutely, I’m working on it at the moment however there are literally thousands of them to go through. I’ll probably do a broad overview and select some of the best units 🤓
Damn I was waiting so long for this.
Hope it was worth it haha.
Thank you for your patience!
@@Immersaholic yes it was. You do amazing work!
@@icheko2498 Thank you so much :)
BTW the Hastati aren’t meant to be good. DEI focuses a lot on historical accuracy and the Hastati were mostly recruits who went i to battle first to break or at least tire out the enemy.
Rome utilized 3 lines of different units with each line further back being more experienced. So if the enemy did manage to break through the front line, they’d have to break through a second tougher (and fresh) second line, and then the most experienced (and fresh) 3rd line.
Rome rarely ever deployed the third like though and it was seen as a desperate act to use them, most famously they were used mostly against Pyrrus and Carthage during the Republic’s early wars in Southern Italy.
DEI wants you to likewise use the Tripex strategy to fight as Rome, which is why so many units are at different levels of “stats” meant to represent a sort of artificial experience outside of the experience mechanic.
Indeed you are correct. I mainly complain about them in terms of just meta and gameplay :P I almost always have people in the comments of videos with them swearing they are fantastic, but in terms of pure game play it makes no sense at all to recruit them over Principes.
Playing immersively of course recruiting them is fun and makes sense though :)
Problem is with dei is that the Plebian class is quite limited so your biggest concern is not cost but population. Paying extra for Princepes is simply just more worth it.
Your videos are great!!! Hit us with your mod list bud
Thanks mate! Mods used in each video are listed in the description,, including on my let’s play videos
I just get peace and confederate the Etruscans on turn 1. Drag as many people into the war as you can (you might have to pay Carthage a little money but it's worth it), the balance of power becomes such that they will accept peace and confederation.
Where can I get that paint tool you use?
I don't have all of the factions you have, do I need to buy some DLC?? WHICH ONE???
I have 2000+ hours on Rome 2 and probably 600 of that is DEI. And even for me playing as Rome can be a coin flip between easy and hard, depends on the AI.
What a sweetie, im sorry for your loss
Thanks mate
Sorry about the kitters man
1:00:20 the Camillan Principes Samnitici actually have higher Melee attack, Defense and Weapon damage than the Roman Principes. But lower armor by 5.
Its a big difference: the Principes Samnitici have a different role.
Nice catch, thanks for pointing it out mate
You might have answered this question in the vid, but why do the melee infantry hold spears? Are those pilum?
Yes those are pilum, after they throw them you won’t see the spear anymore
@@Immersaholic Oh cool. I've only played vanilla rome 2, and I've never noticed them hold pilum before.
Right when they pre throw prior to charging in vanilla they will pull them out. Roman units use pilum and other factions use javelins
To the Romans a Republic wasn't a specific government type. It's why they still call the empire a republic even after the façade is dropped and the throne becomes hereditary (and as late as the Byzantium era). Yeah. . . I am the living embodiment of the "well, actually" meme.
Would you recommend playing on hard for your first dei playthrough?
If your familiar with TW then yes, if your new to the series then "Normal" is best
@@Immersaholic after trying it. I'm now struggling with normal lol. I can't stop the revolts in Sicily what's -111 public order. Carthage keep you raiding my cities by sea, they destroy my fleet. My main legion can't fully replenish. I have no income and trading with everyone possible 🤣
@@TomTomXIV haha sounds like “easy” might be a better option to learn 😅
Here is a couple more tips
- Putting your army AND fleet in a town negatively affects the public order massively
- Don’t Loot a town after you take it
- Use champions and dignitaries to change the culture in your region to Latin.
- Try lowering or turning off taxes in new territories you take for a little bit
@@Immersaholic oh I didn't know that about dignitaries and champions. I did loot Syracuse because I desperately needed the money lol but the other cities I occupied. Those are the ones getting harassed by Carthage.
What about having just a general with no army does it still negatively affected it?
Great video
Great comment 😎
How are you doing that extra zoom with the camera?
Press “n”
Roman shows / films:
Rome (HBO) - 2 Seasons
Gladiator (Film)
Romulus v Remus: The First King (Film, Latin)
Hannibal (BBC Docudrama)
Pompeii (Film)
Barbarian, I think on Netflix. Amazing show about the battle of Teutoburg forest
Primus Inter Pares = First Among Equals
I got peace with epyros on like the first turn then we were both at war with Carthage but epyros wouldn’t accept any treaties with me at all even tho we had green relations. I’m using the 12 turn per year, is there like a time limit where they won’t work with you?
It depends on a lot of things but the difficulty your playing is the most important, that and then the relations take a lot of time to heal. I would just take out Epirus if I were you tbh
@@Immersaholic on older patches I was able to get peace and alliance with them. I wonder if the phyric and punic wars are more scripted now in a sense. Yea I know i probably need to take them out but I’m usually friendly with greeks and Carthage pushes Sicily so hard I couldn’t spare armies.
When having your legions does it mean i can dominate?
"Primus inter pares"
First among equals