StarCraft Mass Recall (Starcraft 1 in SC2): Protoss Campaign - Part 6
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I appreciate how ride-or-die Fenix is. Literally. He literally dies, comes back, tells you you're branded as traitors and then immediately goes 'Hell yeah I'm on your side, lets kick some Protoss ass!'
As for Aldaris, I don't think he's right - as a Judicator, he serves as both a figure of law *and* faith, which gives him such an absolute way of thinking. To him, maintaining order within Protoss society is paramount, so the extent he goes to to persecute Tassadar makes a certain kind of sense to him, even as Aiur burns under the Zerg; the Zerg represent a physical threat, which is the duty of the Templar, but Tassadar represents a 'threat' to Protoss Society, which is Aldaris' greater concern. Even his 'civil war' is considered acceptable to him despite such a thing being what they condemn the Dark Templar for, since to him it's not a war between Protoss but a fight against an outside force that will corrupt and destroy Aiur, with even its greatest champion having already been corrupted by it.
What's interesting though is that I wouldn't say Aldaris is a bad, er, Protoss - he's just so steeped in the rigid nature of the Protoss Empire that he can't see past it. It's telling in the final mission he actually apologizes and wishes Tassadar luck, and in Brood War he's a much kinder person, showing respect to the Dark Templar for helping the Aiur Refugees and making no comments about Raynor. It's only Kerrigan that makes him an antagonist there, and the refusal of others to see her for what she is is what pushes him back into his rigid nature, starting his coup to maintain Protoss Order and fight back against an outside influence. It's just, you know, he's actually right in Brood War because, well, Kerrigan *is* an outside force manipulating and corrupting the Protoss.
So all in all, I like Aldaris a lot, he's a lot more complex and interesting than the typical 'political' character. He's wrong in the first campaign, but right in the second one, and you get a good sense that were the Protoss Empire not so rigid and uncompromising in its beliefs he would have been a better, er, man.
Fenix as Zealot: *Hell yeah I'm a badass Protoss warrior Imma kick ass*
Fenix as Dragoon: *Hell yeah I'm a badass Protoss warrior Imma kick ass*
Fenix as Purifier: *Hell yeah I'm a badass Protoss warrior Imma kick ass*
Its almost like there is character development in blizzard writing
@@lordsusano7667 *old blizzard writing. Many people that wrote the story and characters for SC1 and BW are long gone and as the foreseeable future will stay gone as Activision continues to burn the company to the ground
@@rigen97 Talandar as Purifier: In Honour of my old namesake Fenix, hell yeah I'm a badass Protoss warrior Imma kick ass
@@MasterShanicus Thank you for not deadnaming Talandar. People keep doing that and it strikes me as a bit rude
Aldaris makes a lot of "correct" decisions based on what he knows. From his perspective, there is wasn't much else he could have done. There are a few things you can call him out on; believing that he has the upper hand on the Zerg when he has only barely scratched the surface of their forces, not listening to Tassadar when he tries to explain how DT energy works, but really, from his PoV, basically what happens in SC1 is his lead general Tassadar allows his entire planet to be overrun by locusts because he felt bad about killing the rats that the locusts were eating, and when they finally find him to make him answer for his failure, they find how that he has befriended the rats, and also a cult of Satanists. A well written character is not one who always does the right thing, but one who makes decisions that make sense at the time based on their motivation and personality.
Of course, then there's Brood War, where Aldaris actually IS correct about not trusting Kerrigan, who successfully fools the entire Protoss faction, including Artanis and Zeratul, into doing her bidding. This is why Tassadar is an S-tier character; ain't no way my man would have fallen for that shit. Would have steered the Gantrithor right up her ass.
Aldaris makes reasonably good judgements, but is really bad at investigation and argument. Unfortunately, only Tassadar and Raynor are any good at that last one.
For BW, to defend Artanis and Zeratul, they kind of don't have an alternative choice in the matter: it was either to cooperate or die one by one. Moreover, Raszagal was a respected member of the DTs, and having Aldaris, a member of the conclave, killing the matriarch would have meant there be no chances of reconciliation between the 2 factions. Also, even if Aldaris was right about Kerrigan, his action to raise an army to kill Raszagal for me also seems to be fueled by his prejudice against DTs (is running the plan through your allies first seems too hard? They could have put her in temporary stasis if he truly makes his case).
Overall, I think Aldaris was a complex leader. His distrusts and adherence to Conclave helped him make a lot of correct decisions, but at the same time, those same things were also his downfall as it poisoned the Protoss alliance and exposed their weaknesses to Kerrigan.
@@benedict6962 The Protoss's greatest downfall was always their stubbornness and refusal to budge on their traditions.
Considering Aldaris' information is essentially, "Zerga re devouring the planet and Tassadar went and got allies to help." Choosing to put all your resources into stopping Tassadar from helping because he thinks the help he brought smells is very much bad judegment. Between "literally devouring the planet" and "Getting help from people I don't like", he chose the latter.
Lester: I don't understand the Protoss ranks, Sarge.
Sargent: It's a caste system, Lester. Conclave don't take no suggestions from the Templar. But they wouldn't be out this far unless... Oh sh*t.
*Arbiter Mass Recall noise*
Lester: I love you Sarge!
I am sure nothing is going to go wrong with Fenix's cold, ROBOTIC shell of a Dragoon.
Dark Templars: mind we tag along?
5mins later
Dark Templar: HELP US TASS-"explosion"
Meanwhile in space where the Hyperion is.
Marine from last mission: "sneeze"
I love the line "As long as the spirit remains unconquered" or however he said it exactly.
I love how they use his HOT’s model for Fenix
Tassadar as well, no?
@@sergritm true not sure never compared them
what's HOTs? HOTS? Heroes of The Storm?
@@elliejohnson2786 yes
I always appreciated how the Protoss in SC1 are so technologically advanced, while still maintaining a rigid, old-fashioned social hierarchy. They also mention how the Protoss live for hundreds/thousands of years. Knowing that, social change would be expected to be extremely slow if those in power could maintain authority/influence for centuries
Plus, it is also true even for human beings that the longer you live to more set in your ways you become and the more stubborn you are to change. Now extrapolate that for the hundreds of years the typical Protoss tends to live and the stubborness and "set in your ways" attitude goes ten fold for them!
Tassadar- You were killed
Fenix- Sadly yes, but i lived
"Sadly"? Nonsense! There is no shame in defeat, as long as the spirit is unconquered!
Oh man... if it were possible, a real-scale mass recall playthrough would be insane!
Aldaris is wrong in the way that the Protoss and the Conclave as a whole are wrong. He disregards Terran lives, he hates the Nerazim and he will not entertain the idea that they can't win the war alone. The only mistake he makes is not looking into the "only DT can kill Cerebrates" thing, and it's completely within his character to mistrust that.
Fenix:
Tassadar: How can this be?!?!?
*Dragoons being present since mission 1*
Fenix died a hero and took 100s of zerg with him..........but he's so humble he laughs awkwardly when explaining his sacrifice.
Man...Blizzard on the golden days got the Protoss just right, it's great
Idk, I've always been a little bothered by all these buff Protoss dudes running around yelling, "My wife for Hire." :P
Tassadar is a rogue general in the middle of an invasion. He could be the reason that Aiur fell. Fenix joined you instantly, how many others? Could the zerg have taken the crystal or the temple if tassadar had been there instead of toying with Kerrigan?
Aldaris did not understand the nature of the zerg or the dark Templar. His job was to keep the unity of the protoss something both tassadar and the dark Templar threatened.
They didn't threaten it though. Heck, Tassadar was the first templat in how long to actually take steps to unifying the protoss again? Aldaris abandoned Aiur mid-invasion for a pissing contest because he saw a unified protoss as a bad thing ebcause of tradition.
1:36 "Even in the face of total annihilation they still cling to their failing traditions!"
Tassadar has some real millennial energy here. Those boomers in the conclave... smh
Tassadar was written by boomers though, so what does that say then?
@@calebadam2576 that the writer was frustrated with the insistence on sticking to tradition in the face of extinction from their peers
@@calebadam2576 Boomers had the youth rebellion thing too. In fact, they've pretty much invented it. And it was just as arrogant back then...
Aldaris decided that was the appropriate time to send the entire fleet to the opposite end of the galaxy to arrest one heretic. He's directly responsible for a large fraction of that '70% fatality rate', and might be responsible for the fall of Aiur.
Anyway, Tassadar is too darn honorable to resist arrest so now Fenix and Raynor gotta do a jailbreak adventure. Fortunately, Raynor is down for breaking somebody out of prison.
I was going to sleep, but i think I'll have 25 minutes and 51 seconds more watching youtube ❤
"There is no shame in defeat as long as the spirit remains unbroken"
PREACH my man
Okay, as much as I like Tassadar, what the hell is this fighting to resist arrest and then turning himself in to end the fighting that started over him in the first place? You can't jerk around your followers like that. They're willing to join you in exile and fight the conclave all in your name and on your orders and then you just bail on them halfway through the battle? If people are willing to fight for you and you have them do so you've got a resposibility to make sure they weren't fighting for nothing.
Yeah it's a baffling choice, seemingly only there to get two PvP missions instead of one.
My headcanon is that Tassadar has to resist *at first*, create enough chaos that the Conclave can't just capture/kill the DTs as soon as they make planetfall. Perhaps his surrender comes once he believes the Conclave's local infrastructure is too damaged to mount an effective search.
I say headcanon, since there's no dialogue hinting that's his goal, nor any objective like "destroy all Observers and Robo Bays".
While I agree doesn't make much sense, I just like to believe that he finds that after a while, the civil war is both pointless and weakening both sides when the true threat is the Zerg. So, he figures that turning himself in will instead distract the Conclave and they'll wasting their time trying to go through a whole trial process. During this time, Fenix and Zeratul can then focus their efforts on the Zerg and attempt to eliminate them while said Conclave is distract doing what they do. As much as they want to take out the Dark Templar, Aldaris really seems to want to take out Tassadar more than the Dark Templar.
*Leaves Zeratul and Dark Templar to defend
*Enemy attacks
Zeratul: as long as the Nexus stands
Fenix is a total boss in SC!, and thanks to your playthrough it's all coming back. So thank you for that, Grant.
Just to add my two cents to the "was Aldaris right?" debate... Tassadar is a general who has disobeyed multiple direct orders from the civilian leadership of Aiur, and his actions ultimately contribute to the marginalisation of the Protoss civilian government in favour of military leadership (even when Artanis proclaims the end of the age of castes, he phrases it as "everyone is a Templar now," which I think is... unsettling?). The fact that the narrative proves Tassadar right and presents all of this as a good thing... I think, could be compared interestingly to the way a particular strand of American cinema often portrays conflicts between military leadership (decisive, realistic, practical) and civilian leadership (bureaucratic, short-sighted, naïve). Of course, there is also a question to be asked there about whether the Judicator caste are better characterised as "religious" than "civilian"...
The Conclave seems to be a sort of kritarchy when it comes to structure. Think of the Athenian boule. Now, the Protoss religion seems to be a richly prescriptive one, meaning that it can effectively act as a stand alone legal doctrine, much like Abrahamic religions are very detailed in moral prescription and can have their teachings be very easily translated into laws. I think the closest government to the Conclave we've ever had in our world would be the aincient Israeli biblical judges before Saul.
Yeah, but people seem to be confusing, "following the rules" with "being right." Laws aren't self justifying, and in this case, are very very wrong.
Mandatory comment saying I love this playthrough and thank you so much for all the content you provide
Fenix and Tassadar are true Ride or Die homies.
Based only on what I have seen in this playthrough, Aldaris makes decisions I regard as mostly understandable, but it is clear he's been given a role where he (and the Conclave as a whole, as he is the only one seen representative) are intended to be proven wrong as short-sighted and foolish. He's also hurt by the inexplicable borderline-blase attitude to the Zerg on Aiur (doesn't help this comes after the Zerg Campaign where we see this as a Big F'ing Problem for the Protoss) and their focus on political goals over military ones (comparison comes from the Terran campaign of all places, where we are subjected to repeated failures from the Confederacy to the point that simply doing our job ends with our arrest.) Serving under Aldaris is something like as if we served under General Duke in the Terran campaign.
He's clearly given quite a bit of text and space to show his more displeasing qualities (as he opens in the campaign with how your actions have made him trust in the Templar again, which, since he's the political and religious leadership caste, seems like a pretty damn demoralizing thing to be saying to your underlings (it was along the lines of "At least you aren't all useless", though later it's more like "You aren't all traitors.")). I think he's more reasonable then he's let on to be: he does listen to Tassadar's "hey go murder a Cerebrate" plan despite having some significant distrust in Tassadar after his failure to stop the Zerg and sudden disappearance, and his later suspicion of Tassadar's further suggestions seems fair in light of that moment ("you killed a Cerebrate but you didn't do it right for reasons I just completely neglected to mention, sorry. But it'll totally work this time!")
Aldaris is, in my opinion, is the picture of "even a broken clock is right twice a day." Yes, he was correct about Kerrigan. But he was wrong about Tassadar, The Dark Templar, the Terrans, the Protoss's ability to defeat the Zerg in open conflict, attacking "defenseless" Cerebrates, the list kinda goes on. The thing is, he's just an extremely mistrusting zealot who views anything he doesn't understand, which is most things, with suspicion. Something that just kind of happens to be correct, once, with Kerrigan, but is pretty much just exclusively incorrect for the rest of the series.
Fenix (Dragoon) is OP base defense. I surround him with 9 shield batteries, all the batteries will heal him at once, the AI is too dumb to kill the barriers and I am free to use the F2 without losing the mission.
Scarab capacity is not that useless, at least at play levels below professional. Reavers attack faster than scarabs are built, so they actually have lower DPS once they run out of their stored scarabs. At the pro level reavers don't attack continually that often, so it's not very useful, but on the pro level reavers are also rarely used because HTs serve the same niche and have fewer weaknesses.
I think a lot of the "Aldaris was right" stuff comes from Brood War where he sees right through Kerrigan and gets killed by his allies for his trouble. But even there Aldaris has the problem that he never tries to explain himself to the player character until its too late and he gets killed. We probably wouldn't have listened and things likely would have ended much the same way, but he never even tried.
Fun fact. In original SC you can get DTs stealthly through the left of the map straight to the nexus and kill it quite quickly
Pretty cool ending cutscene
One thing that is worth mentioning because i don't think it wasn't there in original SC is that multiple Shield Batteries are able to heal a single target. With enough, Fenix can truly throw down with the best of them!
Happy new years grant. Thanks for making my 2021 that much more enjoyable.
Speaking about permanent walking and fighting sarcophagus.
Protoss Dragoon: mommy this pathing is uncompehensible
Space Marines' Dreadnought : SMASH!
I love fenix so much, best boi
Aldaris is a dogmatist, and a dogmatist in charge is always a bad thing. However, from the perspective of the Protoss society he represents, his actions make perfect sense.
I think the 'Aldaris is right' commentary mostly comes from brood war, where he is the first and really only person to read Kerrigan's plan ahead of time, and gets a whole mission of being slapped down by the player because the rest of the cast doesn't believe him.
I remember this mission was HELL.
17:36 we can add poaching endangered species to the list of Tassadar's many crimes.
Aldaris is definitely wrong. He begins the campaign declaring Tassadar a failure for not murdering millions of innocent humans. He continues by condemning anyone who associates with the dark templar "heretics". While the zerg devour his homeworld, he goes out of his way to make enemies of people who have come back to help. We only ever see him make one good call, and even then he refuses to /explain/ that call and just tries to kill everyone who disagrees with him, which seems to be his standard operating procedure.
I get the perspective that Tassadar is a general who disobeyed orders and went rogue, I really do. But the orders he disobeyed were to massacre civilians, and later to abandon the protoss's one and only hope of defeating the zerg. To the first, in real life, that would be a criminal order, and militaries have rules about disobeying criminal orders for a reason. To the second, well, I'd liken Tassadar's disobedience there to that of Stanislav Petrov irl. As important as maintaining military order can be, it's not more important than the whole world.
Fun fact: shields in mass recall takes reduced dmg just like armor. Probably has to do with the way game is coded. Sunkens don't do crap to zealot shields for example.
Sheesh just in time for me to watch at 5 am before sleep :)
Thx love ya Vid man
Pretty sure there was alittle bit of base in the middle-bottom of the map, up that little ramp past those last cannons you killed
The next mission and the last one in this campaign are carrier missions. Also, play some cinematics, they work well with the whole vibe.
Fenix: dies
Fenix: oh no!
Anyways..
anyone else weirded out by the incredibly buff protoss statues at 25:20?
its good to see how this game was suposed to be played - i just sneeked zeratul-DT Team (west entrance has no detection) and destroyed nexus
Aldaris is my favorite protoss character He grows changed so much over the first 2 games, first he is very rigged and conformed to traditions, but after seening everything he held dear left to ruins he becomes more open minded. When he finds about about what happened to Raszagal he revolt in open rebellion. Which everyone assumes it him just going back to his old ways... Honestly even he got to tell Artanis and Zeratul what was happening i wonder if they would have believed him given his past.
Interesting side-note about Fenix and Raynor. Both Fenix-Dragoon version and Raynor-BC (Hyperion) version actually have higher attack speed rates than their base unit counter part. As far as I'm aware of, Zeratul, BC-Raynor, and Dragoon-Fenix all have faster attacks (there may be others, but can't think of them off top of my head). I believe Vulture-Raynor and Dragoon-Fenix are one of the only Hero units that do NOT come fully-teched (Raynor benefits from Iron Thrust, while Fenix benefits from Goon Range) Other heroes I have the upgraded tech defaulted on them (Such as Zealot-Legs on Zealot-Fenix in the first mission)
Amusingly, when I played OG SC again, I had the terran do all the work in the final mission for Protoss :P hah
Scourge are scary after all lol
Fenix- tales of my death have been greatly exaggerated
Perfect timing
10:12 is the best part
You get the Fleet Beacon (Carrier/Scout upgrades), Carriers, and 3/3 air upgrades in the next mission (Protoss 8); and Arbiters after that (Protoss 9).
My daily fix is here!
I absolutely hate this mission. Protoss is, and always will be, my ride or die. But oh my GOD do I hate fighting against them with anything. So this was always a nightmare. Gonna be honest, I usually end up rage "power overwhelming"-ing and wipe the map. Lol. I don't think I've beaten it legit like...ever.
Its odd to me Tassadar did not figure out that Fenix was in a Dragoon, given they were probably around for a while in protoss society
Now we need obnoxiously screechy protoss.
Why is Tassadar surprised about Fenix's survival? Don't *all* zealots vanish in a flash of light and move to a robotic body of a dragoon instead of dying? High Templars and Dark Templars too, for that matter.
Aldaris, whether he admits it or not, is an Amon lackey.
There are a lot of mentions of Adun in both SC1 and SC2... but is there anything in either game that actually says who Adun was and what they did?
It's mentioned in the SC1 manual who he is and what he did. There used to be TONS of backstory and hamd drawn art for everything in Blizzard manuals, and PC game manuals in general. Part necessity to explain what they couldn't in game due to tech limitations, and part because a big heavy box full of cool stuff was a selling point for PC back then. If your box didn't have sufficient weight to it, it likely wasn't selling without something else to back it up like shareware marketing.
Oh boy it's 3 am
What is with that Gantrithor model?
Dragoons, jack of all trades, master of none, better than a master of one
What was the point of this mission? The player has to destroy the conclaves base so tassadar could surrender?
Wait, huh? You need to destroy Aldaris' Nexus? I just broke the two ancillary bases, and the mission ended there, lmao
Also, god, but this mission kicked my ass, I wish I knew mass dragoon was the key to everything, lmao
I can't tell if that's the hots model for Fenix or not
this mission seems about 6 times easier than in sc1. the scarabs are scary in 1 and here they just seem to bug around.
The original SC1 Homeland mission was the hardest mission in the base game. The Conclave Protoss attacks were relentless and seemed to have an endless stream of reavers sent at you.
I played this mission a few days ago and it just let me... walk through the bottom of the base with zlot/goon
Did the modders made reavers' attack buggy on purpose so it matches the original game? Both in Grant's videos and my own gameplay more often than not scarabs just refuse to explode, even if there's no terrain issue.
Apparently. Unfortunately they kind of crippled the unit because they're way more dangerous in the original despite the bad unit pathing.
@@aaronscott7467 yes but like 90% of those delayed explosion doesn't do any damage, at least that's what I've experienced. Most hits on buildings are fine but against even stationary units they just don't work.
2:40 Real scale Mass Recall incoming? :D
If Aldaris was leading forces against the Tal'darim, who would win? Or would they both throw away their units?
They would both throw away their forces because both aldaris and alarak only listen to themselves and only after they spent 5000000 minerals and gas would they think tactically or alarak would send ji'nara to fight for him then the ta'ldarim would win because ji'nara knows a bit of tactics
@@indominusrex1652 Ji'nara is a very poor tactician though... She manages to get her massive forces deffeated by Nova and her small special operations unit. Three times!
@@tacticaldroid133 i didnt say she knows tactica like duke i said she knows tactics to a level and probably learned some from nova
Can anyone confirm this.
In StarCraft 1, Fenix (Dragoon) has faster fire rate, higher damage (easy to confirm) lower accuracy, and shorter range than the average dragoon. I noticed that he did no damage A LOT even when he was on even ground against his enemy. Hopefully they fixed this in Mass Recall
Per the starcraft Fandom Wiki:
Fenix has 36% faster fire rate, starts with dragoon range by default, and accuracy just isn't a thing in Starcraft as a stat. If the target is in trees or uphill there's a 50% miss chance but that's global, nothing has better or worse accuracy
@@razekal4255 Ahhh it's the trees! Auir why!!
23:47 Aldaris's story makes me sad. He was a jerk, and he did take quite a bit of humbling but he did come around to the side of Tassadar and the others. He did try to do things their way after that, but what came of it? The new generation of Protoss would rather listen to KERRIGAN of all people than him! His misgivings about her even turned out to be right, but no one would listen. And even though he caused more pain and suffering with his rebellion, I can't really fault him for that because of his options as he would have seen them at the time.
Admitting you're wrong takes courage, especially for someone so prideful as the judicators were, and it should be respected. When you interact with someone you disagree with in any capacity, you should always leave a way open for them to be accepted if they choose to go over to your view/position. If you keep rubbing it in their face that they were wrong, they will usually go back and double down on their old ways, and reconciliation will be nearly impossible.
"The new generation of Protoss would rather listen to KERRIGAN of all people than him! His misgivings about her even turned out to be right, but no one would listen."
I mean, he didn't even TRY to explain. Its kinda hard to listen when they aren't talking to you in the first place.
How did you get this game?
It's a mod you can download and play through the SC2 editor, Mass Recall.
sc1 without sc1 pathing :D
Sleepy grant again
I still think Aldaris is right to be honest. If Tassadar would not have been so cryptic and antagonised him so much, I think he would have understood. He gave him a chance in mission two but Tassadar gave incomplete information about the cerebrates, wasting everyone's time. But, after Zeratul killed Gorn, Aldaris owned up to his mistakes and, in Brood War, he has respect for Zeratul.
Tassadar WASN'T cryptic thought. He gave Aldaris the information he had and tried to help. Tassadar didn't even know that only DTs could kill Cerebrates at the time.
Aldaris did no wrong in that he acted rationally according to the info he had. Where he did go wrong was not collecting enough information before acting.
Aldaris did nothing wrong :D
Nice big macro energy.
So, this part of the Protoss campaign is basically a Military coup, right? The conclave is the Aiur government, and the Templar is the military. The Executors, leaders of said military, order their troops to eliminate the opposition so they can ally with enemies of the state. On top of that, at the end of Brood War, Artanis, the Executor, is the leader of the Protoss. The Conclave, the former legitimate government, is nowhere to be found. Are we the baddies?
The conclave leadership were completely blinded by fanaticism, which ultimately ensured the Overmind's success when invading Aiur. They were so worried about the 'taint' of the dark templar (who were demonized for wanting to live free of the Khala), that they chose to withdraw troops from the Zerg invasion to hunt down and arrest Tassadar. Despite his disregard of conclave orders, Tassadar was still actively fighting the Zerg invasion, yet they chose to prioritize starting a civil war. The first game ends with the Conclave being overwhelmed by the Zerg, and the remaining members make peace with Tassadar and the dark templar in a state of desperation.
I think the assumption with Brood War is that the remaining Judicators sided with Aldaris's rebellion and were effectively wiped out in reprisal.
Kind of but it had to be done.
@@strangestecho5088 Their entire race nearly killed itself fighting one another until they embraced the Khala and made their system, though, so sticking to it so fanatically makes sense to them. Refusing to adapt or see a different perspective as the conclave did was a bad decision, but we have the benefits of being an outside observer with both hind-sight and perfect knowledge.
From Aldaris' and Tassadars perspectives, they have very strong and logical arguments for why they acted as they did. If they had the players knowledge or had effectively communicated what knowledge they did have things would have played out entirely differently, but effective communication and simple resolutions don't generally make for a good story.
@@orangesouls7112 Thinking that you are right, does not equal being right. What Aldaris did made sense for his worldiew, but his worldview also involved the murder of billions of civillians and startinga civil war during a do or die planetary invasion. Just because his actions made sense to him, it does not mean those actions are justified.
@@thacobell4700 At the end of the day, what is and isn't "justified" is all a matter of perspective, isn't it?
14 seconds ago :D
I think everyone here recognizes how Aldaris' arrogance and dogmatic worldview blind him to impending disaster. But also in this thread, we have a lot of people willing to explore his perspective and not frame it as simply as "Aldaris' pride is ruinous". Though flawed, we can appreciate he his own guiding principles too.
What's interesting is how willing people are to do that for a fictional character, but are completely uninterested to do that for other people irl.
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I feel he is right until about now. However he shouldn’t lead because he sucks at it. Also they have much bigger fish to fry as in the Zerg but his power comes first to him and that is a big downfall.
its not really power that aldaris likes, thats more mengsks thing. hes a 'zealot' whos been following and teaching a rigit cult like doctrine for centuries...hes in pretty deep. he thinks the khala can deal with all problems, but heresy is infinitely more dangerous.